WEBVTT - The Media Show | 13 December 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:05.280 This is the Media Show with Jack houting Hello and 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.080 welcome to the final media show of the year. I'm 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.559 Jack Houghton, and tonight we'll discuss Times new Person of 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.440 the Year, a war between labor and big tech, and 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.120 much more. But first, last week we discussed a radical 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.360 leftist journalist who justified the murder of a health insurance CEO. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.360 Former Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz made headlines around the 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.760 world for saying, people wonder why we want these executives dead. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.360 But since then, the alleged killer, Luigi Mangioni, has been caught, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.360 so surely, now that there is a face to the crime, 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.320 reporters are starting to treat it for what it is, murder. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.800 Why would you be in such a celebratory mood about 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.120 the execution of another human being. Aren't you supposed to 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.519 be on the caring sharing left, where you know you 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.080 believe in the sanctity of life. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.160 I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.920 think that's why I felt, along with so many other 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.560 Americans joy. Unfortunately, you know, because. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.600 Seriously, I mean execution. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.600 Maybe not joy, but certainly not no, certainly not empathy. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:14.759 Because again, we'll. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.040 Watching the footage, How can this make you joyful? This 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.679 guy's a husband, is a father, and he's been dumb 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.200 down in the middle of Manhattan. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:24.200 Why did that make you joy? 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:24.960 For the Americans? 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.800 Remember when the Left used to be about compassion and nuance. Well, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.440 when given a chance to walk back her comments about 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.640 feeling joy, Lorenz doubled down. Now watch the eyes in 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.680 this clip. They give a whole new meaning to the 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.680 word crazy. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:41.720 Should they all be killed? 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:41.920 Then? 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.600 Should they all be killed these healthcare executives? Would that 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.680 make you even more joyful? I? 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:53.120 No, that would not. And uh I think because yours? 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.120 Because it does, It wouldn't fix it. To find the 0:01:55.120 --> 0:02:00.040 whole thing hilarious, I find your your questions. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.520 Be murdered in this. I don't find it funny at all. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.080 I don't find it funny that tens of thousands of 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.160 Americans die every year and because they are denied life 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:08.639 saving healthcare from people like. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.200 This year, Taylor Lorenz, seemingly advocating for murder as a 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.760 solution to societal issues, came at an awkward time for 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.480 our ABC here in Australia. Remember a few weeks ago 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.799 when their dopey chair Kim Williams attacked podcast to Joe 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.799 Rogan as a repulsive extremist. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:32.720 I personally find it deeply repulsive, and to think that 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:38.959 someone has such remarkable power in the United States is 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.840 something that I look at him disbelief. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.839 The ABC sought to cover that story in a podcast, 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.839 and they decided to lean on the expertise of old 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:54.240 Crazy Eyes Taylor Lorenz to inform viewers at the taxpayer's expense, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.120 of course, why Joe Rogan was so dangerous. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.400 I mean it, look, I do think that he's that 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.240 Joe Rogan has tapped into something, and I do think 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.079 it's fair to say at this point that he does 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.440 prey on people's vulnerabilities and sort of fear. Joe Rogan 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.960 has pushed a lot of sort of extreme rhetoric and 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.960 a lot of the episodes of his show are built 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.680 around sort of fomenting fears. He's pushed a lot of 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:25.320 dangerous conspiracy theories about immigrants and other things. And then 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.600 he also just you know, has a lot of kind 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.760 of kooky people on a show, like putting forward conspiracy 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.600 theories about aliens and stuff like that. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.200 How humiliating for the ABC. The ABC's tech expert in 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.240 this case, says that Joe Rogan is dangerous and spreading fear, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.200 and then she went on to say she felt joy 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.640 when a man was gummed down in the street. Now, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.400 this is why people are losing trust in legacy media, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:58.440 and this is why the ABC is quickly making itself irrelevant. Well, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.280 joining me on the panel this week is Sky News, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.840 contributed to James Bolt and Louise Roberts. Louise, and start 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.080 with you, obviously, and I don't want to gloss over 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.040 the fact that America has this horrific problem in their 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.440 healthcare industry. Surely the solution is to tackle that legislatively 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.880 with debate. And we got these supposedly serious journalists taking 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.320 this quite reprehensible position. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:21.320 What are your thoughts? 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.200 Well, Tanner goes after Joe Rogan, saying that he's spreading 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.080 conspiracy theories in dangerous messages, but he's not going out 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.239 in the street and saying it's okay for a CEO 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.840 of a healthcare company to be gone down because somehow 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.320 vindicates the trauma of thousands of Americans and maybe not 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:36.720 their health claims. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.840 Through as if it would impact the industry, as if 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.680 he's not going to be replaced tomorrow by somebody else, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.680 as if it would have any kind of impact whatsoever. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.760 That's right, and peace absolutely skews her brilliantly because this 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.359 man was a father, and he was a husband, and 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.200 he ran a company. So if you don't agree with 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.400 the way the company deals with healthcare, the solution is 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.880 not to murder him in the street, but to for 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.400 her to indicate that and say that that's somehow a 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.279 great message and American supporter, which. 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:02.839 They clearly don't. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.920 Americans were horrified by what she said, and they were 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.080 horrified by what happened to the CEO. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.440 Yeah, completely agree. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.560 And the other element to this is our taxpayer dollars 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.120 have gone to getting this person, propping her up as 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.400 some kind of a tech expert. And the irony of 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.359 this is that she says that Joe Rogan is dangerous. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.760 Yeah, so let me tell you who Taylor the Rends is, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.520 because there's probably a lot of people watching that have 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.160 thankfully never heard of her. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.120 And now we've had to break the eye. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.520 So she had already left the Washington Post by the 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.720 time this interview aired, and she has also this month 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.120 lost her podcast with Box. She doesn't have her mask 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.320 head to her name, So clearly she's not a. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:40.839 Big mover and shaker in the industry. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.599 And if we go back a couple of years, she's 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.719 also the woman that docks the libs of TikTok So 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.840 libs of TikTok Twitter account creator she rocked up at 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.279 her house, says to creator, knocked on her door and said, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.000 I've got some questions to ask Now, she says, there 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.280 Joe Rogan for men's fear, What could be more fearful 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.080 than if you're an anonymous account user a journalist knocking 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.679 at your door and saying, we're some questions, so I 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.120 have I'll take my like she walks around with a 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.880 mask when there's no pandemic on because she's so terrified 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:10.719 of getting a cold. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.760 Yes, there's nothing more fear. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.360 It does strike that the ABC journalist the book than 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.640 was more interested in just getting a yes and just 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.880 carrying on rather than thinking of themselves. Did I get 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.000 someone good to talk about that? 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.520 Well, But just what they're saying is here's some very 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.880 vocal left wing person to talk about this evil conservative podcast. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.760 By the way, Joe Rogan isn't even you know, an 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.680 orthodox conservative podcast. He started off on the left. He 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.800 endorsed Bernie Sanders film community. You know, he's someone that 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.880 was driven to endorsing Trump because of this absurdity that 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:42.800 we're seeing playing out. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.719 In an eating hours and hours interviewing him, and that 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.440 was one of the key factors, as we know, apart 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.960 from obviously what happened in when Trump was shot, in 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.520 actually getting him into back into power, getting him back 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.560 into the White House. People listen to the nuanced interviewing 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.040 that Joe Rogan did with Trump and thought, actually, I'm. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:57.560 Going to vote for this. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.920 And that's why Kim Williams, who's supposed to be the 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.760 head of a media organization him not understanding that point, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.919 I don't see how he's fit. I think he's far 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.559 too daton to be running an organization. If he doesn't 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.040 understand that point, he doesn't understand why people interested in 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.960 Jie Rogan. But let's move on, because Elon Musk has 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.360 hit out at the CEO of Axius Media, who had 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.440 a meltdown a few weeks ago, angry about the rise 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.320 of citizen journalism. Now, if you missed the comments, have 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:25.720 a listen. 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.120 Everything we do is under fire. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.520 Elon Musk sits on Twitter every day or X Today, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.560 saying like we are the media, you are the media. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.600 My message to Elon Musk is both, you're not the media. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.080 You having. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.240 You, having a blue check mark, a Twitter handle in 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.880 three hundred words of cleverness doesn't make you a reporter. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.600 You don't do that by popping off on Twitter. You 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.120 don't do that by having an ape. You do it 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.600 by doing the hard work. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.560 The clip was lapped up by MSNBC's Morning Joe, which 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:10.960 gave it a round of applause. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:13.000 Come on, so clap. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.800 First of all, I've got to say extraordinary content. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.760 It needed to be said. It continues to need to 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.400 be said when all of. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.840 The garbage is flying around on social media, lying about reporters, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.600 lying about the hard work they do, lying about the 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.080 hard work editors do, lying about everything up and down 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.400 about not only their alternative set of facts, but alternative 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.480 set of facts about. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:46.599 What people like you do. Or if social media people lying. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:53.400 Every day, every hour, every minute about the news, what 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.600 you do matters. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.319 If you say it confidently enough, maybe it becomes true. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.880 Responded to that video this week, saying you are the media. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.240 Now they are the past. Let's bring the panel back 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:11.920 into discuss. Luise Musk obviously has made his position with 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.679 the legacy media very clearly. He's also a bit of 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.800 a troll in good fun and good jest agitate. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.560 But the thing is it works. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.800 So this axious CEO going up there and having a 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.480 temper tentrum or put Joe Scarborough, the host of Burning 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.760 Joe and his little tantrum to one side. Why how 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.400 embarrassing to let the trolling impact you when you're a 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.560 professional boss, when you're a CEO and you're swearing on 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.880 stage and having a meltdown about citizen journalism. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.280 This is where maybe sat an older subset of trained 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.840 journalists really present themselves as dinosaurs and not willing to 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.000 adapt to the new media and the way people are 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.319 consuming media. I mean, citizen journalism is fantastic user generated content, whatever. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.480 You like to call it. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.240 It really resonates with the community people. That's how they 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:56.880 communicate with it. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.959 A lot of reporters are also quoting things that are 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.960 said on X. You know, there is that reverse paradigm 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:03.840 as well, where here's reporters. I bet if you go 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.160 to their website you can find a lot of instances 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.680 of content which has been generated on that platform by 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:11.720 these citizen job. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.079 I members of the publicer'll talk about, and certainly John 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.400 the pandemic, we found it super useful where people were 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.840 swapping information with each other globally about how coronavirus was 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.360 affecting us. So I think that panel should be embracing 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.800 it and getting citizen journalists on their show rather than 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.439 shooting them down and saying, oh woe betide us, our 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:29.480 industry is in decline. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:30.480 Completely agree. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.280 I mean more communication between people the better. But what 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.120 do you think of this story? 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.800 What James Vander heis the actually as guy you played. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.360 He said, journalism isn't about having three hundred words of 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.480 cleverness and an opinion. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.120 That is what it is like at the end of 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.880 the day. That's what it's been for six hundred years. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:44.120 I thought. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.160 I thought it was a ten word headline, like we 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.160 don't pick up anvils and go to war, Like we 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:50.679 just sit there and we come up with words of 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.880 clever list and the irony of MSNBC going on a 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.440 rand saying what we do matter is well like hemorrhage 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.920 viewers every single show is hilarious. Yeah, I think there's 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.839 definitely a little bit in that which is like, I 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.160 think we still matter. I think there's a little bit 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.400 about please do we still matter? Anyway, let's move on, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.960 because Time magazine has a new Person of the Year. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.000 President Donald Trump graces the cover for the second time, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.640 and they write for ninety seven years, the editors of 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.440 Time have been picking the person of the year, the 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.480 individual who, for better or for worse, did the most 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.920 to shape the world and the headlines over the past 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.120 twelve months. In many years, that choice is a difficult one. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.320 In twenty twenty four, it was not. It definitely was 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.240 not a difficult choice. In this Saul and his political comeback. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.480 If you loathe him, if you love him, it was 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.520 incredible the way that he was able to galvanize a 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.719 country around his policies, in his position, when you had 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.199 all of these institutions trying to tear him down, How 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.480 could he not be the most impactful person? 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:52.880 I agree, And it was great to see the editor 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.920 of Time, Sam Jacobs actually make that point that there 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.280 was no other choice, and the story of redemption and 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.920 victory is fabulous. And I thought there was a really 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.720 nice piece in that where he talked about Trump being 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.880 almost wistful because he's won the fight. So what's next 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.640 for Trump? Because he's very comfortable as a pugelist, He's 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.040 very comfortable taking things on, as we know when he 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.319 was shot and he said fight, fight, fight. That's been 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.560 his mant since then, make America great again. So it'd 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.440 be interesting to see where he goes from that. But 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.200 I thought it was a great piece. I'm very relief 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.520 they didn't stitch him up. I'm glad that actually made 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:24.040 him out. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.160 To be was a rare case of balance, right, it was, yes, James, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:27.560 your thoughts? 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.400 Yeah, I was going to say, I know John's already 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.840 won in twenty sixteen. But does it seem that there's 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.080 less anger at the Trump victory from the left than 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.160 there was in twenty sixteen? 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.400 Less outpouring. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.280 I haven't seen as many people threatened to move to Canada. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.600 I haven't seen plans for a women's march on Washington 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:44.120 as we did in. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.760 Twenty Well, the outrage doesn't match the pre election rhetoric, No, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.920 which is really weird as genuine Well, you must have lied, Yes, 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:52.640 you're lying now? 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:53.160 Did you lie? 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:53.400 Then? 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.800 If you genuinely thought you had just lost to Hitler, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.439 you wouldn't be taking it as line down as the 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:58.400 left ear and. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.120 So they knew all. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.000 But also are they going like, hang on this kind 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.280 of clown show, cartoonish outrage At every single step of 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.040 the way, people switch off, like it's good for the 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.080 coastal leads, and it's good at dinner parties. And I 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.640 told Trump this, and I tweeted out that. But for 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.000 the people in you know, Wisconsin, Michigan, Philadelphia, the places 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.760 you need to win, they just zone out and they go, Actually, 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.319 the other guy, it seems more fun. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.440 Well said, well, we're going to take a quick break, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.760 but when we return. Inside Labour's war with big tech, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.200 welcome back. The Labor government has made another move in 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.720 its war against big tech. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.360 Well, it's a big day for the Australian media landscape today, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.200 with the federal government set to announce plans to force 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.520 big tech companies to pay local publishers for news now. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.920 Under the planned companies such as Meta, owner of Facebook 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.840 and Instagram could face financial penalties for breaches. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.480 Media organizations were fast to back in moves by Labor, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.640 making the point that these platforms have become an intrinsic 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.280 part of how Australians consume news. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:07.400 Imagine, at the height of the bushfire season, property being destroyed, 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.679 lives being threatened, and the news bullets that so many 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.720 rely on through their phones and tablets. 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.360 What is the latest there this evening were suddenly blocked 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.640 by the big social media companies. That's what happened in 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.920 Canada last year after the government demanded Facebook pay for 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.200 news content. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.360 And the ABC was quick to point out that the 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.040 disruptive presence social media has had on regional newsrooms. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.560 After printing for more than one hundred and twenty five years, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:42.760 Broken Hills independent newspaper Barrier Truth close down this year. Sadly, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.200 it's a common sight in regional Australia as vital advertising 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.600 money is lost to social media platforms. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.160 Let's bring the panel back into discuss Lewis. It's obviously 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.960 a second stage. The Coalition brought in the News Media 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.640 Bargaining Code, which would have involved having to designate these 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.080 platus forms, which is this whole other process. But this 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.920 is an interesting tactic because this is hitting them with 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.600 tax dollars and offering incenters. How do you think Labor's 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.200 done on this, Oh, pretty well. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.200 I think if they can get it through and actually 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.920 get big tech to pay, because if they're in the 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.640 space and using our content, then they should be paying 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.520 for it. And I don't like their argument. I don't 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.040 buy it when they say, well, we amplify your content, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.840 but the fact is that they're not journalists themselves. All 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.520 they are is a kind of an amplifier, as they say. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.240 So if the federal government can actually push you through, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.600 I think it'd be a great idea, because you know 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.520 social media, we know. What we don't want is a 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.960 situation like we've had in Canada where they have a 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.760 blackout and people's lives are impacted. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:41.760 Yeah, definitely. 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.200 And look, the way that I view this from a 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.680 digital perspective is you've got these companies that are scraping 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.640 up eighty percent of the AD revenue in Australia and 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.160 they're not really giving back in the way that other 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.800 companies or other industries have to when they have this 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:04.040 exceptional influences on resources or people's lives. Here, for example, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.880 mining companies, when they have to pay royalties. It's a 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.920 very clever way to go at it though from a 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.280 tax point of view, because it will be very difficult 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.560 for them to avoid it. Either they pay the tax 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:15.280 or they get fine. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:15.720 Yeah. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.280 I just think the bigger issue here is that the 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.760 dance between big tech and Australia is always going to 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.160 be a pretty ugly one. Until we have a government 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.400 more committed to freedom speech. I can't imagine that a 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:32.160 lot of Meta and the other social media companies reaction 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.040 to Australia over the last year hasn't been informed by 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.440 what was in Labour's Misinformation Bill or what they said 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.920 they wanted to do. If you're a tech company and 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.160 you're going to be responsible for what people post on 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:47.800 your website, from media companies or even from individuals, you 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.640 are going to make sure your model is less eliciting 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.680 the ability for people to write and spread news. And 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.840 until we have a government that says, you know what, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.360 we're not doing that anymore freedom of speech, going to 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.920 do Misinformation Bill, I don't think big tech is going 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.960 to look at Australia as a company as a country 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:05.480 that wants. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:05.879 To do business with. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:06.160 Yeah. 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.480 I think the other unknown here is what will Donald 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.240 Trump do. He could see this, perceive this to be 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.919 an attack by Australia on these great American companies, and 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.280 he is in the middle of slapping tariffs on a 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.640 lot of different countries, and that could be something which 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.040 ends up giving the government a bit of pause. But 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.199 let's move on, because Moira Deeming, a victim of relentless 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.159 and a false slur campaign, had a major victory this 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.159 week after Victorian opposition leader John Persudo labeled her a 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.360 Nazi sympaviser for campaigning in favor of women's. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:38.879 Sex base rights. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.119 Now, Pursuna was found to have defame Deeming, which was 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.720 obvious to anyone who knew the facts, and Deeming spoke 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.760 outside the courthouse about the pressure she faced. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.920 This judgment is a public acknowledgment that there was never 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.359 any justification legal, moral or political for what was done 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.000 to me and to my family. One Liberal party value 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.119 was honored or furthered in Victoria by this relentless and 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.679 remorseless campaign to discredit me and everybody who stood by me. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.080 But I was never going to let it go unchallenged 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:15.800 in this state. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.520 Let's bring the panel back in Luiz. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.640 You've got this situation here where yes Pursudo put out 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.600 these statements saying that she was a Nazi sympathizer. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.119 Absurd that he did it. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.280 He partly fell for a trap that the likes of 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.440 the Guardian and the ABC set by letting them. You've 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.600 got a man there who, instead of fighting it and 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.200 defending his people, threw her under the bus, listened to 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.120 the media which was. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.800 Lying about this, and he's lost. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.239 I think the thing that has gone unset in all 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.680 of this is all the journalists that republished that, all 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.280 the journalists that looked at that, and you know, she's 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.399 not a Nazi. She's there talking about the transgender issue, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.640 and they deceptively pushed that through. There hasn't been accountability 0:18:59.640 --> 0:18:59.840 for that. 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.359 No, and I think anyone who uses that term to 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.800 describe some it is such a less lazy, lazy and abhorrent, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.920 and particularly in the current climate that we've experienced the 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.359 last two or three weeks as well. And he's the 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.000 leader of the opposition and he makes comments about this 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.399