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Speaker 2: In 2009, U.S. Army psychiatrist Nadal Hassan opened fire on

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Speaker 2: sentenced to death in 2013 for the attack, which he

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Speaker 2: And Secretary of War Pete Hegzeth says he wants the

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Speaker 1: We know what it is. It was a radical Islamist

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Speaker 1: attack in uniform inside the ranks. And so he's going

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Speaker 1: to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be.

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Speaker 1: And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it,

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Speaker 3: Types of things.

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Speaker 2: It's the latest example of an administration willing to put

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Speaker 2: its use of deadly force on display, from sharing videos

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Speaker 2: military strikes on Iran into social media content. So why

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Speaker 2: I'm Tina Quinn, filling in for Ruby Jones, and you're

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Speaker 2: listening to 7am. Today, journalist and filmmaker Abby Martin on

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Speaker 2: the growing spectacle of American state violence... And what happens

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Speaker 2: when killing becomes something to watch and celebrate? It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: October 14. So, Abby, this is the first Death by

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Speaker 4: So....

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Speaker 2: How are Americans reacting to this idea, particularly in the

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as you mentioned, this was a

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Speaker 3: state isn't even capable of doing that. So while Americans

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Speaker 3: to a firing squad akin to, you know, the days

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a contingent of Trump cultists

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Speaker 3: So there's something really sadistic and depraved about taking it

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Speaker 2: What do you think they're trying to achieve by making

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's the nature of the spectacle itself.

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Speaker 3: to his political enemies, you know, that he's basically deemed

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Speaker 1: And he died in a vicious and violent way, running

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like the U.S. has been moving towards

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Speaker 3: an insane escalation. We've been watching genocide with Gaza and

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Speaker 2: It does seem to have changed under Trump, though. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Completely desensitizing and making it into a spectacle. I mean,

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Speaker 2: President Trump's decision to pardon four American security guards involved in.

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Speaker 4: The infamous Blackwater massacre.

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Speaker 3: Sending a very clear message to every American that this

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Speaker 4: Seventeen unarmed Iraqi civilians were shot to death in 2007

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Speaker 3: You are free to commit war crimes, you're free to

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Speaker 2: In your eyes, I mean, it's, you know, it's about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, of course, it goes

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Speaker 3: You know, this is succumbing to the darkness. This is horrific.

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Speaker 3: This is a death cult. This is drinking from the

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Speaker 4: Rules of war.

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Speaker 2: Abby, this comes at the same time as Pete Hegzeth

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Speaker 2: is sanctioning the International Criminal Court, essentially trying to kill

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Speaker 2: What do you think this tells us about the direction

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Speaker 2: I mean, every single step that he's taken has made

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Speaker 2: Do you see a connection between the way this administration

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I think Americans are waking up to that

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Speaker 3: as an extension of the U.S. military. Of course, the boomerang,

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Speaker 3: The horror gets basically metabolized as a spectacle.

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Speaker 3: doormats for these crimes and atrocities being done in their name?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is all being folded into the architecture

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Speaker 3: of U.S. empire. And I'm sorry, but Australia is complicit

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Speaker 5: Foreign Affairs Minister Wong. Minister, we know that Pine Gap

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Speaker 5: is a critical part of U.S. global war making, including

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Speaker 5: its attacks on Iranian schools and hospitals in the last

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Speaker 5: 48 hours.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we see Pine Gap. We see the targeting

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Speaker 3: of children in Iran, children in Gaza. This is all

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Speaker 3: happening from Iran. the intelligence community within Australia. This is

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Speaker 3: directly correlated to what's going on. So how long is

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Speaker 3: the Australian community going to say this is acceptable? How

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Speaker 3: long are Australian leaders going to say this is acceptable

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Speaker 3: to be folded into the crimes of U.S. empire? And

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Speaker 3: I think it's just the naked barbaric face that's always

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Speaker 3: presented itself to most of the global South that's rearing

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Speaker 3: its ugly head, unmasking and really showing the Western world

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Speaker 3: for what it is. And the choice needs to be made.

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Speaker 3: a line has to be drawn in the sand. How

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Speaker 3: much longer are we going to accept this? And especially

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Speaker 3: when the line becomes so blurred between the so-called enemies

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Speaker 3: that were waging war against Iran, right? I mean, if

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Speaker 3: public execution is one of the justifications to invade and

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Speaker 3: impose our dictates on another country, what does that say

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Speaker 3: about us? What does that say about Australia? And what

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Speaker 3: does that say about the leaders in Europe?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because, as you've mentioned, we've spent three years

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Speaker 2: watching the devastation in Gaza. We've seen ICE agents killing

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Speaker 2: people on American streets, videos of boats being blown up

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Speaker 2: in the Caribbean. And now Hegzeth wants Americans to watch

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Speaker 2: another execution. What do you think happens to a society

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Speaker 2: when the government starts treating its ability to kill people

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Speaker 3: It's no measure of sickness to be well-adjusted to a

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Speaker 3: profoundly sick society is the most incredible quote and very apt.

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Speaker 3: I think what it shows is that we are spiritually

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Speaker 3: doomed and dying. as a species. It is completely contrary

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Speaker 3: to what we should be embracing. Life, the sustenance of

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Speaker 3: how we can sustain this beautiful planet, how we can

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Speaker 3: collaborate and confront these environmental crises that we face, and

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Speaker 3: instead we're reveling in death and destruction and slapping impunity

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Speaker 3: for the perpetrators of this horror show that we continue

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Speaker 3: to witness forcibly and now forcibly watching public executions of people.

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Speaker 3: We need to stop normalizing this. We need to stand

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Speaker 3: up and say we do not accept this dark, disturbing trend.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to revel in the darkness that Pete

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Speaker 3: Hegseth revels himself in. This has to stop and it

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Speaker 3: has to stop now.

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Speaker 2: Abby Martin, it's been great to speak with you. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Also in the news, Australia faces the biggest unemployment jump

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Speaker 2: in the developed world next year. That's according to new

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Speaker 2: modelling from the International Monetary Fund. The IMF predicts that

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Speaker 2: the US-Israel war against Iran will start to take a toll,

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Speaker 2: with unemployment tipped to hit 4.7%. The conflict could also

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Speaker 2: see Australian petrol prices rise by another 30 cents a litre,

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Speaker 2: which economists say would heap pressure on the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: to hike interest rates again. And the competition watchdog is

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Speaker 2: suing Sunny Queen Eggs and 11 other egg producers... over

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Speaker 2: claims they manipulated the market through what it called cartel conduct.

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Speaker 2: The ACCC says the businesses have been substantially reducing competition

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Speaker 2: since 2020 by coordinating on production volumes, distribution and expansion plans,

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Speaker 2: which has been driving up prices for consumers. I'm Tina Quinn.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to 7am. We'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.