1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,439 Speaker 1: Okay, I agree, because it's it's the self help pantidote. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. It's also, oh yeah, it's 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: also the You project. It's Bobby, it's Craig, Anthony harpratsass you. 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: It's the whole bloody kitten kaboodle. As my mum says, 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: I don't know what the kitten kaboodle is, but that's 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: what this is. Is that an American term as well? 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Kitten kaboodle? 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: I gotta ask my cat. 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the kitten caboodle. It's the whole bloody thing. 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: How are you? 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay, I'm doing good. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: You know. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: I interviewed the other day it's not coming out for 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: a while doctor Cam McDonald's. I think he's been on 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: your show. He's just such a he has been on 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: your show. Actually, such a really great guy. And what 17 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: he was talking about, how sad is it in our 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: society today that we are so busy that sometimes we 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: just go on each other shows to hang out and connect, 20 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: Because like, after the show, I'd be like, you know, 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: I really thought you had something specific you wanted to 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: talk about, because he's like, yeah, I really want to 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: come on your show. It was like there was nothing 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: really specific that you seem keen about. It is like, well, 25 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: I'll tell you the truth. I really just wanted to 26 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: come on your show because we have no time to 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: hang out and I just wanted to hang out and 28 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: spend some time with you. I'm like, God, I don't 29 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: know if that's the coolest thing or the saddest thing 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: I've heard in a while, but I am grateful that 31 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: they get to come hang out with all of our 32 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: listeners and you every single week. Crag. It's like, it's 33 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: kind of like our thing. You know. I feel like 34 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: I should be having a cup of coffee if it 35 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: wasn't late in the afternoon my time, and it would 36 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: keep me out you know what. 37 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: That sounds totally cheesy, but it's totally true. I'm the same. 38 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: It's like I look forward to this, yeah, because I mean, 39 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: you and I have been friends for over twenty years. 40 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't you know, You're on the other side of 41 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: the world. You're busy over there. I'm busy over here. 42 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: And if nothing else it I mean, hopefully we share 43 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: a few thoughts and ideas and messages and stories that 44 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: are of value to our listeners. But yeah, I enjoy it, mate, 45 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I don't I don't have to really, 46 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: not that I put too much prep or thought into 47 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: any podcast, let's be honest. But I know I can 48 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: just sit down and go to you, what do you 49 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: want to talk about? Or you ask me, or and 50 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: we just go. Invariably, we don't talk about what we 51 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: thought we might, but hopefully sometimes we produce something that's 52 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: of value to the audience. But what's going on on 53 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: planet Bobby? What do you want to talk about today? 54 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Because what was the idea you had about clarity? We 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about that? 56 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know what happens like because we're on 57 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: these calls. This is not a call. These shows every 58 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: single week. She's how old am I? Nobody does calls anymore. 59 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: I'm always thinking in the back of my head, I 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: wonder what Craig would think about this conversation right now. 61 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: I wonder what his take would be. So I was 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: speaking to a colleague earlier in one of these in 63 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: prim TU meetings, and she is just brilliant, like you 64 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: would absolutely love her. The two of you get on 65 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: a house on fire and we were just talking about 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: projects at work and roll our and all of this 67 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: clarity and strategizing, and I had the thought in my 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: head and I threw it out there and she's like, 69 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: you know, tell me more about that. Where I think 70 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: maybe it's because I've had some experience as an entrepreneur. 71 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: I know you're you know, you've been a lifelong serial entrepreneur. 72 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if, in life, not just business, if this 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: whole pressure around clarity is overrated, Like like, what do 74 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: you think, Craig, Like everyone's like out there pursuing this 75 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: sense of clarity, Like I know exactly what I'm doing 76 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: and I'm clear on it, like bros and cons Yeah. 77 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I think clarity and kind of certainty like what I want, 78 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: what I want to do that you create change what 79 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: matters to me, you know, just just just figure out 80 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: what your values are and then that gives you clarity 81 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: and the decision making process moving forward and all of that. 82 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: And it's kind of true. But I think, as you 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: also alluded to before we went live, sometimes it's in 84 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the middle of just doing stuff, not necessarily searching for 85 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: meaning or certainty or clarity or some kind of light 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: bulb moment, but just in the middle of doing stuff 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: that something reveals itself to you, where you go, oh, 88 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: this is amazing, this is empowering. Is this kind of 89 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: lights my fire a little bit? Maybe I'll open this 90 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: door and walk through and see where it goes. So 91 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: think I think both, you know, whereas you can try 92 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: to seek certainty and clarity about certain things so that 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: you consciously, Like, on the one hand, we want to 94 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: live consciously and intentionally, but I think perhaps the pendulum 95 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: swing of that is where we are constantly analyzing and 96 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: reanalyzing and dissecting and quantifying and qualifying our life in 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: a way where we're not just living, you know, we're not. 98 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: It's just like this ongoing kind of almost unhealthy experiment 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: and analysis where now you stick your head up and 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 1: you're two years down in the project, but you haven't 101 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: had a laugh, you know, or you haven't Yeah that 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: you haven't really been living, You've just been observing and 103 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: dissecting and interpreting. So I feel it's got to be 104 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of both. 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: I think I think everything falls into that category. Like 106 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: clarity can open up possibilities, but it can also close doors. 107 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: Here's a perfect example. So, yeah, I went to a 108 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: seminar a long time ago, and I ended up going 109 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: with these two people, right that I kind of knew, 110 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: and we just we're sitting down in this seminar. I 111 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: didn't know them very well at the time. And one 112 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: of the things, it's one of those three day seminars 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: where it's like ten to twelve hours a day, you 114 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: know those, right, Yeah, And they charge you something like 115 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: that's extremely reasonable because they're going to sell you on 116 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: much bigger stuff, or at least they hope some point 117 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: within the three days. One of the exercises that we 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: did was we were getting really clear on exactly who 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: we wanted to be with, like who's the partner of 120 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: your dreams? And they had us write this thing down 121 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: in minute detail, like exactly what they would look like, 122 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: how tall they would be, what color hair, what color 123 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: eyes like, you know, what would be their sense of humor, 124 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: their occupation, like everything in minute detail. And I'm going 125 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: through this and it just I don't know, it didn't 126 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 2: feel right to do that. Long story short, the person 127 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: who I was sitting next to doing all of these 128 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: exercises with, you know, how they partner you up. We 129 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: actually ended up dating for six months after that, and 130 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: what occurred to me, very very soon into the relationship, 131 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: is if we had taken that exercise seriously, I know 132 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: we weren't anything close to one another's list. There was 133 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: just no way that I wrote down her, although she 134 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: was pretty spectacular, and I know she didn't write down 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: anything to do with me. It was just a matter 136 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: of it was that lack of clarity and coming together 137 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: in the exploration that the exercises and talking openly about 138 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: what we might want, but not having a clear idea 139 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: and discovering that together where I think at the end 140 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: of the second day we were kind of looking at 141 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: each other a little bit differently, and I thought, God, 142 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: thank Heavens, I didn't follow all of those exercises because 143 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: it would have robbed me from having a great relationship 144 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: as long as that lasted. 145 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, and a lot of great relationships 146 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: on paper don't make sense, but in life and experience, 147 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: in living, they make all the sense. Like I think logic. 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: Logic is a really interesting topic. I've been talking about 149 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: it lately a little bit, like what makes sense? What 150 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: is logical? And you know, you think about what, especially 151 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five where everyone's all about the science, Well, 152 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: science tells us, and science does it, which science, whose science, 153 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Who ran the science, who designed the science, who interpreted 154 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: who financed it? All that shit, right? But I think sometimes, 155 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, what makes sense, or what we think makes sense, 156 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: or what we think is possible or what we think 157 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: is likely, is really just based on us looking through 158 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: our window of understanding and possibility and comfort. Like I 159 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: had this conversation the other day, may have even mentioned 160 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: it on the show. But you think about two hundred 161 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: years ago, you and me chatting sitting outside our cabin 162 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: in the bloody wilderness in Colorado, talking about three hundred 163 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: people flying overhead in a metal tube. We would have gone, well, 164 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: you're sick in the head. We need to burn you 165 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: at the stake. You know, it's like the idea of 166 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: an aeroplane full of people two hundred years ago, or 167 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: you and I talking to each other face to face 168 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: kind of like we are now in real time while 169 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: being on the opposite sides of the world. Well, that 170 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. That's not logical, that's not rational, that's 171 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: not reasonable. But it was all of those things, to 172 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: be honest, but just wasn't to us in that context 173 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: at that time. So I just think that, you know, 174 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: when we go through these little exercises of oh, this person, 175 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: do they meet that criteria? They do how it's all 176 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: what do they do? What are their interest? Wow, this 177 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: is my dream partner, and then you spend six minutes 178 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: with them and you're like, fuck you, we don't connect 179 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: at all. 180 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: There's so much there. It's almost like that exercise where 181 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: you look around the room and you're like, okay, notice 182 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: everything in the room that's blue, and then close your 183 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: eyes and rather than trying to recall everything that's blue, okay, 184 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: now tell me everything that's green or red or yellow. 185 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: I don't have a clue, and I'm wondering. It's like 186 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: we get so clear on that the person of our 187 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: dream sits down next to us, starts talking to us. 188 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: We feel this incredible chemistry. But no, I'm sorry. It's 189 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, your hair's too blonde. It 190 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: wasn't on my it wasn't on my on my human 191 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: being wish list, as if like I'm ordering something off 192 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: of Amazon, so that too. You know, you're talking about 193 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: how myopically we look through our own lens of reality. 194 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we can't help it. So it would make 195 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: sense that one you can have a level of clarity 196 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: and start to pursue a certain number of steps. But 197 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: if we if we admit that our lens is unavoidably myopic, 198 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: it lends itself to go out and do a bunch 199 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: of shit, explore, experiment, be uncertain, and then you might 200 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: but be open to if something like really catches your attention, 201 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: it gets you all hot and bothered, don't dismiss that. 202 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: Pay attention to it like you don't have to. You 203 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: don't have to like commit to it, but pay attention 204 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: to it. Like improv I wasn't clear on anything that 205 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: I wanted to do with improvisation. I have no interest 206 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: in being an actor. I don't know. Maybe like thirty 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: years ago, I would have tried something on stage performer, 208 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: but that's not anything that I'm interested in now. I 209 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: just went because I was curious, and a couple of 210 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: friends of mine said, hey, we love this. We think 211 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: you'll like this as well. Do you feel like putting 212 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: yourself in a challenging learning environment for five days? Yeah? 213 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: And then I went there and I was like, this 214 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: has so many parallels with coaching. There's no way I 215 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: would have known that, and there's like reading a book 216 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: by Sam Wasawson, improv Nation, on the history of improv. 217 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: Turns out improv was originally a form of counseling, not 218 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: a theater art form. Originally when Viola spoiled and first 219 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: started doing it back in the forties, working with Russian 220 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: immigrants in the inner City of Chicago who were experiencing 221 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: what would we would now recognize as trauma being completely 222 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: ostracized from their homeland. They can never go back to 223 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: see anybody that they loved. They were in a place 224 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: where it wasn't very invading, they felt disconnected it. It 225 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: was a form of counseling. How would I have known 226 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: all of that if I was clear on what I want. 227 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that that doesn't line up with my 228 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: career aspirations one hundred percent. 229 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: I think like sitting at home, sitting on the couchs 230 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: trying to get clarity. It's it's borderline impossible. Like I think, well, 231 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: maybe you can start the wheels turning, but I feel 232 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: like when we're in the middle of experiences and places 233 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: and people and cultures and events and outcomes and life 234 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: and movement and the dynamic nature of our existence, and 235 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: you're just in that things reveal themselves, like I get 236 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: often asked, not so much these days, but still, you know, 237 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: would be personal trainers always say to me, do you 238 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: know where somewhere that I can go to do my 239 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: field work? Because as probably in the States are the same, 240 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: but when they do a certificate three and four out 241 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: here in fitness, they've got to go and do you 242 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: know work hours or work experience hours? And they always 243 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: want to go to the best place with the best 244 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: people and the best this and the best that I'm like, well, 245 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: one that I don't really know. I don't know that 246 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: place and two and two and two, why don't you 247 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: just go wherever? Because even if you know, if you 248 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: go somewhere where there's say ten trainers slash fitness professionals, 249 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: and one or two of them are great, and a 250 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: few of them are pretty good, and one or two 251 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: of them are complete shit. You're going to learn as 252 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: much from the shit ones as the great ones, because 253 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: you're going to figure out what you don't want to be, 254 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: and who you don't want to be, and how you 255 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: don't want to treat people, and how you don't want 256 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: to do that job. So whether or not. We're around 257 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: people that are great at their job or not great 258 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: at their job, or people that are pleasant to be 259 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: around or difficult to be around. I think all of 260 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: those things are moments that can provide clarity and certainty, 261 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: you know. For me, this is analogous to my idea 262 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: of anti goal setting, where we try to figure out 263 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: what we don't want. First, we'll just get clear about 264 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: what you don't want. And I realized when I was young, 265 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't want a job. I want to work, but 266 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't want a job. I don't want a boss. 267 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to wear a suit, I don't want 268 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: to go to an office. I don't want to sit 269 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: at a desk, I don't want to sit at a cubicle. 270 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: And not that those are bad things, but they were 271 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: not the things that I wanted. And I got really 272 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: clear about that, and then that kind of eliminated a 273 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: whole bunch of potential jobs and roles and realities. And 274 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: I went, well, that's what I don't want, So what's 275 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: on the other list. 276 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: That's helped me more than any thing, Like with things 277 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: where I was like, I don't know exactly what I 278 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: want out of this or I'm not clear in this sense. 279 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: Asking myself what would you absolutely not want and then 280 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: working backwards from that has helped me at many points 281 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: in my life and get a bit of clarity. When 282 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: I was struggling to kind of grasp it, I read 283 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: a post by Angela Duckworth. You know Angela Duckworth is 284 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: you know she did the research behind grit. She's just 285 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: she's brilliant. Angela Duckworth. 286 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't read her, but I know of her. 287 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I am going to completely stuff this up, but 288 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: she wrote a post today about you know, sometimes grit 289 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: is not like driving harder within your within your environment 290 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: and trying to make it work for you. It's restructuring 291 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: your environment to fit what works best for you. So 292 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: rather than you trying to struggle against your environment, change 293 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: your environment to something that kind of supports you and 294 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: elicits a behavior from you. I thought, Yeah, that's that 295 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: is fantastic, And it's consistent with like James Clear and 296 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: bj Fogg when they talk about in environment and a 297 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: sense of identity versus just doubling down with willpower traditionally, 298 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just shaking things up and getting into 299 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: a different environment, like one of the things that like 300 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: I work, I'm a hybrid. I go out there and 301 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: I speak to people and i'm you know, i'm face 302 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: to face, but a lot of times i'm home, you know, 303 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: virtually like we are now. And you know, Amy, my 304 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: wife is, you know, she's she's not living here anymore. 305 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: She's over on the East Coast because we have like 306 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: family issues to attend to. And I've noticed I've been 307 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: stuck a lot in the house and it's like I'm 308 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: trying to like force myself and I got to be creative. Okay, 309 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: let me just get up pace, I'll come down, let 310 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: me just double down. And I realized, you know, idiot, 311 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: you've got a whole building here with all of these 312 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: little nooks and all of these places like go up 313 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: on the roof, like change your environment and see if 314 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: that does anything. So sometimes doing the same thing in 315 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: a completely different environment gives you that inward shift that 316 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: you need, or sometimes external insights because you're getting all 317 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: these inputs from every place else that kind of you 318 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't be getting if you just tried to double down. 319 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: So something to be said for that as well. 320 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm so much more productive from 321 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: six thirty to eight in the morning at the cafe 322 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: than I am in my office by myself, you know, like, 323 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: which seems funny, Like there's obviously I spend a lot 324 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: of time in my office through the day, but it researching, 325 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: but you know, UNI stuff will be at work stuff. 326 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: But I'm here a lot. But it's I get up early, 327 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: go for my walk, which is great, and then by 328 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: the time I get there, I'm ready to caffeinate the 329 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: shit out of myself and just kind of open my 330 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: brain for ninety minutes to figure out what I'm going 331 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: to do, create, change, think about pursue for the day. 332 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: But it's funny that in that environment of really like 333 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: the staff where I work. I love the staff, that 334 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: the staff are great, they have beautiful energy, they're nice people. 335 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: I love. You've been to the Hampton's Cafe with me, 336 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: Hampton's Bakery Cafe with me many times when you hear 337 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: I love the energy, I love the light, I love 338 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: like it's just I like being. It's funny doing as 339 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: you said, the same thing in a different environment equals 340 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: a totally different experience for the doer. And it's oh, 341 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: who knew that I could and you would think, if anything, 342 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: you'd be less productive because of all of the distractions. 343 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know. There's just like this hum there's 344 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: just like this resonance. 345 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: It's almost like it's almost like people generated weite noise. 346 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: I am far more creative and focused fitting in a 347 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: coffee shop a cafe working than I am even in 348 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: a beautiful surrounding all by myself. I feel like I'm 349 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: more tuned in when I'm surrounded by people. 350 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: You know what's ironic, I'm less distracted with the people 351 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: around us than when I'm sitting in a fucking room 352 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: by myself. In a room by myself, I'm so distracted 353 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: by bullshit. But in a busy room of that you 354 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: know that human white noises you so eloquently described it. Yeah, 355 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm I just fucking zoom in. 356 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: I've spoken to managers and they're like, well, you know, 357 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: if I'm this is this is one of the rationales 358 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: for returning to work, which you know, I'm in the middle. 359 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: I see it as pros and cons. I get very 360 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: nervous when anyone has an absolute opinion on what works 361 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: for everybody, regardless of any context. But I've heard managers 362 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: say things like, if I'm paying an employee to work 363 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: eight nine hours, I want them where I can see them. 364 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: I want them in their cubicle or at their desk 365 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: in their office. And in my mind, I'm going, well, 366 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: what if they can get twice as much work done 367 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: and be far more effective if they're sitting in a 368 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: coffee shop, or if they're out in a library, or 369 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: or or if they're in like a room somewhere of 370 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: their house, Like why do you care? If you do, 371 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: you not trust that they're going to be working. I mean, 372 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: that's that's a hiring issue too. It's like, what if 373 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: they're producing the outputs that you want them to produce? 374 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: You know, it's like task versus output. I know one 375 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: thing drives another, but it never made sense to me 376 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: because I think we adapt those rules and we don't 377 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: know we're adapting those rules. It's like, well, no, I 378 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: have to be in this environment and I have to 379 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: do this, and I have to force it, and you know, 380 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: there's something to be said for that. But going back 381 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: to one of my projects that you know, it just 382 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 2: popping into my head. It was so hard for me 383 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: to create an enormous amount of content and curriculums. And 384 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: when I went and I sat in one of my 385 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: favorite coffee shops in Southeast Asia or you know, or 386 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: another coffee shop that reminded me a lot of home. 387 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: It's it was originally a New York based franchise coffee 388 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: shop that became a franchise that energy in that room 389 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: in three hours, I can get nine hours of work done. Yeah, 390 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, this is stupid. Rather than 391 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: sitting here trying to squeeze water from stones, let me 392 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: just go somewhere where I can turn the tap on. 393 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: And I got a lot of water pressure cognitively. 394 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting that I was in Queensland on 395 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: Monday Tuesday, and we're recording this Thursday everyone and I 396 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: was doing some work and I was up in my room, 397 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: beautiful room, but it's so quiet, like just absolute total silence, 398 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: which there are times when I want that, but I'm like, God, 399 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: I need some I need something other than just the 400 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: silence of this room. And I went down in to 401 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: the main kind of for a you know, ground floor, 402 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: and there's a myriad of cafes and sitting areas and 403 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: beautiful lounge chairs and you know, I sat in this beautiful, 404 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: big leather chair, and all around me there was just 405 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: that human white noise of which you speak grasshopper. And 406 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: it's so funny. I enjoyed myself so much more. I 407 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: was happier, I was more productive. Yeah, I don't know 408 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: what that is, but I think what is really also 409 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: interesting for us is realizing trying to come to understand, 410 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: like we started on the clarity, you know, conversation, but 411 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: trying to get clarity about what works for you, you know, 412 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: because for some people, sitting at a cafe with a 413 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: computer or a phone or an iPad or whatever, trying 414 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: to crank out and be creative and productive, and you 415 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: know is the worst idea. Some people excel and thrive 416 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: in silence. Depending on the task, I may may not write, 417 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: but I think that, you know, figuring out as we 418 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: talk about with everything, with training, with food, with medication, 419 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: with lifestyle, with hours of sleep, with the job that 420 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: you do, with the environment, trying to figure out not 421 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: what's the best anything, but what's the best anything for you? 422 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: You know, I'm more productive like when I It's changed 423 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: over time. But when I'm studying, I like to depending 424 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: on what it is that I'm reading, or trying to 425 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: dissect or understand or disseminate into a file thirty to 426 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: forty five minute installments. I'm pretty switched on and focused 427 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: when it's academic literature. Beyond that, my brain's like a 428 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: four year old. Once I hit the forty five minute 429 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: mark or forty minute mark, I'm like a three year 430 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: old in a candy store, you know. So it's just 431 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: figuring out. And also for me knowing that, like I'm 432 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: clear about, I prefer to listen and read. So if 433 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: I can turn something that I would normally read into 434 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: something that I can listen to while I'm out walking, 435 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: I process it better. I remember it better. And if 436 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: I process and remember better, I can operationalize better. 437 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: You know. 438 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: So it's just knowing. We've spoken before about, you know, 439 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: optimal learning styles and all of that as well. 440 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: I mean, and ideally it's saturating yourself with multiple learning styles. 441 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: But think about somebody listening to this right now, and 442 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: I've seen post on this. Listening is not reading. Reading 443 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: is far more vigorous. There's almost like a morality an 444 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: attribute attached to it. Meanwhile, you learn more from listening, 445 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: So you're going to double down on a learning pathway 446 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: that's not optimal for you. Not saying you shouldn't read, 447 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: you should even if you learn from listening, but you're 448 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: going to miss all of those opportunities to learn in 449 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: an environment that's enjoyable for you. And you've got to 450 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: love the way you approach things. I was listening to 451 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kaw. I love Jimmy Kaw. His just rhythm, his timing, 452 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: it makes perfect and he's doing he's doing a lot 453 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: of podcasts now and you get to like listen to 454 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 2: the man behind the persona and I find him quite insightful. 455 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: And he was talking about the need to I disagree 456 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: with this, but he was saying, enjoy every aspect of 457 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: what it is that you do, because you can't take 458 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: pieces of it. You've got to take everything that comes 459 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: with that choice. And I'm thinking back because he was 460 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: talking about being on the road a lot, and you 461 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: know that sometimes being on the road is not glamorous 462 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: and it really sucks. I'm talking about sucks to the 463 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: deepest degree. Something could suck to where I'm looking back 464 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: a few of my road shows and yeah, there's like 465 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: the five star hotels and there's the resorts in the 466 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: convention centers, and that's great. But then there's I landed 467 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: in a certain place and now I'm driving for fifty 468 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: minutes in a rental car to the middle of nowhere. 469 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: And I literally I've had hotels across the motorway from 470 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: a cornfield in the middle of the winter. And the 471 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 2: second I checked into this shite hotel, the first thing 472 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: they told me is, oh, we have no other rooms available. 473 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: In your room, the heat's not working. Well, it's seventy 474 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: thousand degrees below zero. Like it's literally I think it's 475 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: warmer on planet Neptune than it is out there, And like, oh, 476 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: we've got this little space heater and you're sitting there 477 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: shivering next to a space heater in a bed, smelling 478 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: a room that reeks of mold and like drapes that 479 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: haven't been cleaned since nineteen twenty three. That sucks, and 480 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: that's not enjoyable. But to Jimmy CON's point, I loved 481 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: it all. Like did I enjoy driving out to the 482 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: middle of nowhere? Nah, not at all. I didn't enjoy 483 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 2: so many But did I love it? Yeah? I loved it. 484 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: And sometimes I loved walking across the motorway to a 485 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: petrol station and buying a soggy sandwich because there's nothing else, 486 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: and it's like, guess what, that's what you're eating tonight. 487 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: I loved every piece of it, and I think you 488 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: got to restress. 489 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: What a lot of that stuff for some people in 490 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: the world would be a fucking luxury, right. 491 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean if we're talking about relativism, absolutely, 492 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: and there was that. It's like, I'm going through all 493 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: this and you know, most planes, like, I don't know 494 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: why we can't get domestic travel, right, It seems like 495 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: when you're traveling internationally, things work so much smoother and 496 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: it's easier than traveling inside of your own country. But 497 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 2: all of those headaches. It's like, yeah, but I'm going 498 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: to do something that I chose to do that I love. 499 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: But within that, one of the things that I learned 500 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: is you don't have a stable environment when you're out 501 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: on the road, so you have to make the best 502 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: of it. You have to take a look around and 503 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: go where like if I'm here for three days and 504 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm only working two of them, but I still got 505 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 2: projects I got to work the third how do I 506 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: use this new novel environment to kind of energize me 507 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: and engage me. And that's how I started learning about 508 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: breaking up your day. And what that does for me 509 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: is you've got to get from one place to another. 510 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: I've been so effective just going you know what, Today, 511 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to work at three different coffee shops, and 512 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 2: that's going to give me a full day of productivity. 513 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: Walking from one coffee shop to the next gave me 514 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: a chance to completely disengage and not focus and let 515 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: my mind wander, you know, use my default mode network 516 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: to kind of organize and make sense of everything else 517 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: I was doing and learning. Then when I sat down, 518 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: that break made me so much more effective at my 519 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: next whatever, like Maine a minute, two hour about in 520 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: the next coffee shop. So like that? 521 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: Do I recall accurately you and I being in London 522 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: twenty years ago doing some work for PT on the 523 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: net where we were doing a series of lectures for 524 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: I think it was Holme's Place and Virgin Fitness or 525 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: one or the other chains of gyms, and it might 526 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: have been me and Body. It was either me and 527 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: body or me and you, and we stayed in this 528 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: fucking butthole of a of a hotel. It sounds like 529 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: the one you were describing in the middle of nowhere, 530 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: And it was also was that me and you or 531 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: was that me and someone else? Because you and I 532 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: have presented over. 533 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: So no, it may have been me and you. You know, 534 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: it's interesting, as I was talking about going from one 535 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 2: coffee shop to the next, you popped into my mind. 536 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: But it was if maybe it's just we've done so 537 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: many events. It was Butler's Wharf definitely not a shithole, 538 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: amazing part of London. But I imagine me and you 539 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: at Nero's Cafe get some work done together in Butler's Wharf, Yeah, right, 540 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: And I think I was like, yeah, I was thinking 541 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: about that. 542 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: I think you and I did. I think we did 543 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: ten gigs in ten days at ten different gyms or 544 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: something like that. Anyway, we've got to wind up. But 545 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: before we do, I want to hit the brakes on 546 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: all of that insight around, you know, clarity and so on, 547 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: and just backtrack to something that you said about grit. 548 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: Was that lady's name again, Angela Duckworth. So tell me 549 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: in the best Bobby understanding and use a friendly language 550 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: about the difference or connection and or similarity or dissimilarity. 551 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: He's very good. By the way, everyone this is completely 552 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: questioned without notice, the intersection of grit and or tenacity 553 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: and or resilience. How are they like? Do you see 554 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: any real difference between those? If so, what is the difference? 555 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: What is the similarity? So the three terms are grits, tenacity, resilience. 556 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: They all kind Are they first cousins in this space? 557 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: I think they're all interconnected and mutually reinforcing, but I 558 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: believe they're a little bit distinct from one another. I 559 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: believe grit is finding the fortitude and the mental discipline 560 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: to sit down and do something that you might not 561 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: want to do. So I want to do something else 562 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: in the moment, but I'm going to have the grit 563 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: to push through that and do it needs to be 564 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: done what's necessary, rather than where my distract take me. 565 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: I believe tenacity is what happens when you do that 566 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: in a way that's sustainable and consistent. But resilience is 567 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: what happens when you start to balance continual tenacity with 568 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: self awareness and modulation in your life. Resilience is about adaptability. 569 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it's about putting your head down and 570 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: grinding through. As a matter of fact, sometimes resilience is 571 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: knowing when to put the accelerator all the way down 572 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: and when to hit the brakes, get out of the 573 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: car and go for a walk in a field and 574 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: just chill out for a little bit. I think that 575 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: people confuse resilience and use words interchangeably. Resilience is not 576 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: always about grit. Like if you think about burnout, grit 577 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: will make you less resilient in that situation, where in 578 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: other situations grit is the thing you need to engage 579 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: in to get yourself into a state of flow where 580 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: you are performing optimally in your enjoying the process. Like 581 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 2: after the fact, you probably if you're enjoying it that much, 582 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: you probably disappear once you're fully engaged in it. But 583 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: one is a pathway into another state. 584 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that's when hubanman e l talk about 585 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: the anterior mid singulate cortex, you know how how that 586 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: bit of the brain that expands when we do shit 587 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: that we don't want to do but we need to do. 588 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: I think that's that's tied into grit as well, Like 589 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: there's that bit of the brain that actually grows or 590 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: develops new neurons when you there's something that you know 591 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: you should do, but in the moment don't want to do, 592 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: but nonetheless do it anyway. 593 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: You know that. It's almost like if if you have 594 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: that knowledge, because that's true about most things, right, if 595 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: you do something continually and you do it with focus, yeah, 596 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: you'll get better at it. So if we take out 597 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: all of the emotion, which I know is very hard 598 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: to do, but we take out all the conversation, because 599 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: I think what stops us a lot. It's not laziness, 600 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 2: like every one of us has shown that we're not 601 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 2: lazy in certain areas. I think it's the conversation. I 602 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: think one it's the distractions too. It's like, oh my god, 603 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to do this, this is going to suck. 604 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: Is this even going to be Is this even going 605 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: to be good? Am I gonna be able to do it? 606 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: Just stop that, Just do it, do it poorly, like 607 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: do a shit job at something at first, because after 608 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: about after about seven to ten minutes, you start now 609 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: that you're in it and you're becoming more engaged, then 610 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 2: you could start to pay attention to sensations. What am 611 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: I liking about this? What is enjoyable about this what 612 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: am I curious about? I think sometimes the antidote for 613 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: so many things in our life. And I'm learning this 614 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: through a one year coaching course I'm on with an 615 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 2: amazing group of people. It's about curiosity. Curiosity is truly 616 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 2: the antidote for so many things we bump up against 617 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: in our daily lives. 618 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: I was sitting here as you're talking. I always, as 619 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: you probably do with your podcast, I start to, towards 620 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: the end, think about, while still listening to you and 621 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: being fully engaged, of course, I think about, Of course, 622 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: of course, I think what am I going to call 623 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: this episode? And I just wrote down getting clear, and 624 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's that? I go scientology, I'm like, isn't 625 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: that the process that? Don't they have that? That that 626 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: label for a name for a process that they go 627 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: through of getting clear, getting rid of all the thetans 628 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. 629 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: Well, you don't want too many thetans around. I don't know, 630 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know what. I don't 631 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 2: know what thetans are, but just the sound of it 632 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: sounds like something I want in my life. 633 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know that that's something they 634 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: talk Maybe it's like some you know l Ron Hubbard 635 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: who created it, as you know better than I do, probably, 636 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: but it's such an interesting But there's actually a movie 637 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: about scientology called Getting Clear, and I think that's one 638 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: of their kind of steps or one of their rituals 639 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: or processes that they Anyway, we're digressing, Bobby, it's been 640 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: bloody terrific. Tell people how they can connect with you. 641 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: Where you live, your home address, your personal phone number 642 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: because we know you lonely, and what times you are 643 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: actually on the roof of the building if you would, Well, I'm. 644 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: On the roof at all random times, which right now 645 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 2: they say that out loud. There's a lot of problems 646 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: with that statement. But to connect with me for ee, 647 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 2: comp and. 648 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: Tell me about the binoculars that you take up there. 649 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: What's that about? 650 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 2: Oh I was, I was thinking about something more and morbid. 651 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: That's just like really creepy, Like I hope, I'm glad 652 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 2: this guy's not my neighbor. Nope, I'm up there without 653 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: any binocles. And you know, at my age, I can 654 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: hardly see three feet in front of me. I just 655 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 2: you know, my work day is different day to day anyway, 656 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: I know that's more information than you're actually asking for. 657 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: So basically, you can contact me at Robertcapuccio dot com 658 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 2: for a completely Thetan free experience. You can find me 659 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: at the self help antidote dot com. Uh, we've been 660 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 2: we've been Thetan free for a while. It's it's one 661 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: of our core values. And you know you can find 662 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: me on LinkedIn same ridiculous things. 663 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to open up. I've got the world's slowest Internet. 664 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to open up. Hang on, just before we go, what. 665 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 2: Is just get off dial up? 666 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: Dude, what is it? What is it? Is it in? 667 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 668 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: What is a Thetan? 669 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: Hang on? Here we go. 670 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: A thetan is a concept from scientology, essentially their version 671 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: of a soul. Okay, I knew nothing. It's their version 672 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: of a solo te self, the immortal spiritual being that 673 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: each person really is. Okay, we're all Thetans trapped in 674 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: humans bodies. El Ron Hubbard said, you don't have a Thetan, 675 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 1: you are a Thetan. 676 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 2: And I just said I wanted to get rid of 677 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: all thetans. 678 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you soul, you soul. 679 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 2: This podcaster, well. 680 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: We just you and I just learned what a Thetan 681 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: is clearly I didn't fucking. 682 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 2: Know, and this is a This is a very educational episode. 683 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 2: I feel like my knowledge base is expanding. I'm going 684 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 2: to go share this next time. I'm going to bit 685 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 2: this into conversation somewhere somehow. 686 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: I want you to say, to at least two people 687 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: in the next week, Hello Thetan, And if you don't 688 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: know what that is, look it up. Hey mate, say 689 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: goodbye for here. It's been good. 690 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: Thanks again, Thank you everybody. Thanks Hops,