1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Sherbel is not really alarmed by anything at this stage. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: He's writing out his speeding ticket in his notebook in 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: triplicate on the roof. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: Of the car, and suddenly up jumps mister Gould, and 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: he's got a handgun in his hand. He's pointing it 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: at the policeman. Respectable, married, no criminal record. He seemed 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: hardly the sort of citizen you'd expect to be driving 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: around with sawnoff guns, an imitation pistol, five hundred rounds 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: of AMMO, and a fatal habit for bailing up policemen. 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew rules his life in crimes. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Today, I'm going to reach back into the past and 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: tell the story of a man with a double life. 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: His first name was Ian. He was known before we 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: knew his full name, as the country banned. And that 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: was because there were a series of bank robberies back 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: in the mid to late eighties which we were obviously 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: all pulled by the same lone wolf robber, but no 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: one knew who it was. It was a mystery. There's 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: a fair chance it might have stayed a mystery, except 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: as happens, the robber ran into trouble, and this is 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: what happened. It's winter of nineteen eighty eight. It's the 22 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: twenty ninth of June, where a district up near Saint Arnold, 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: up in central Victoria in the. 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: Old gold Fields. 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: It's crisp, it's cold, it's a bright sunny morning, and 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: a local policeman, Wayne Sherbel, is going out on the 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: road in his yellow Commodore to use the radar gun 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: to catch speeding motorists. 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: Of which there are a few. 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: Up around those parts because there's long straight roads through 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: the wheat country. And Wayne Sherwell went to a district 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: called Kurri kWh Kurri and I hope that is the 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: way it's pronounced. Is a blink and you'll miss it. 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: Farm District, which is just really a pair of road 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: signs on the road between Sannanad and Bendigo. Sherwell went 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: to a spot about fifteen ks from Sannanad. It's about 37 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: eight thirty in the morning and it was just another 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: routine day in the life of a country traffic cop, 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: not all that exciting. They're basically mostly raising revenue, as 40 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: we all know. This day, in fact, he had arranged 41 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: for a very boring day. He was supposed to go 42 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: and meet a Road Transport Authority officer and spend the 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: day observing how trucks were weighed on the official waybridge 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: at nearby Charlton. But that very exciting day fell apart 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: when the road transport authority fellow rang up and said, 46 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: I can't do it today, We'll have to do it 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: another day. So you're off the hook. You can go 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: out catching speeding drivers. So Wine Sherwill went out to 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: this spot fifteen cash from Snanad and he backed his 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: yellow Commodore into a particular Heidi hole that he favored, 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: and he sat there or stood there or whatever he 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: did with his radar gun and he'd pin the passing 53 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: vehicles if he thought they were speeding. By the time 54 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: he pulled up his first one, it was about ten 55 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: to nine in the morning, and he pulls up a 56 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: motorist called Jacobs who was going too fast. Ten minutes later, 57 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: at nine ten am, he warns two motorists against speeding. 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: He didn't actually book them, but warned them. The next 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: speeding driver not so lucky. At nine point fifteen that 60 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: feller copped a speeding ticket. Then at nine forty five, 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: So our hero has been on a job for about 62 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: an hour. At nine forty five, another car approaches. It's 63 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: a silver Mazda six to six hatchback. It's going towards 64 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: an ARNT. It's going very fast. SHERBYL checks the radar 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: reading it's doing one hundred and twenty eight case one 66 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight clicks, which is, you know, if 67 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: not twenty eight k's over the limit, perhaps more it 68 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: depends what the limit is there. When Mazda was about 69 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: two hundred meters away, Wayne SHERBYL steps onto the bitchmen 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and waves at the driver because, as he said later, 71 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: I like to give them plenty of warning. He indicated 72 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: where to pull over, and the driver pulled over. 73 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: SHERBYL. 74 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: The copper thought for a second that the driver wasn't 75 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: going to pull up, he did so. Sherwell notes that 76 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: the front number plate is missing from the car. He 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: notes that the driver is a man who's in his forties, 78 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: probably who's alone, and SHERBYL, who's in his late thirties 79 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: at this stage, walks over and says, would you pull 80 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: up a bit further, sir, you're blocking the traffic, and the. 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: Driver did deceive it. Asked. 82 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: Sherwyl went through his usual routine. You know we've all 83 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: been there. He walked around the door, he looked at 84 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: the red oden thing, he looked at the back number plate. 85 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: He wrote stuff down so on, and he asked the 86 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: guy why he was speeding, if there was any reason, 87 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: and the driver said no. Asked to produce his license, 88 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: the driver said he didn't have it with him. He 89 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: stepped out and walked across to the police card to 90 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: check the radar reading. That was fine. Everything about him, 91 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: from the car, which was just a late model Master, 92 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: to his neat casual clothes and his beard. Neat beard 93 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: just reflected an average motorist. He didn't look out of 94 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: the ordinary in any way. The man looks at the 95 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: radar reading and said, oh, it must be right comfortable, lot. 96 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: You know you got me, You got me, guv And 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: Sherwel produces his notebook and asked the man's name and address, 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: as you would. He's done it a thousand times before, 99 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's just another one. He he called later that 100 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: the man seemed to hesitate slightly and then he answered 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: Philip Gould, and he spelt out the surname. He said 102 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: his middle name was Roger, and he said that he 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: lived at key Law Street in Bendigo noted its key 104 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: Law which is the name of another suburber of town, 105 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: which is interesting. Asked him about his driver's license, and 106 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: the fellow says, look, I haven't got it, but I 107 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: remember the number, and he recites a number, gives Sherwell 108 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: a number, and Shewell writes it down. So then Sherwell 109 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: does the right thing. He goes over to his police 110 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: car radios D twenty four that's sent for police communications channel, 111 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: and he says, I want the usuals. Here's the reggio, 112 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: here's the license number, and he gives him a car 113 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: number CV that would be Charlie Romeo Victor or whatever 114 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: it is, six five seven, and then the name of 115 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: Philip Gould. While this is going on, our driver, the 116 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: alleged mister Gould, is making small talk about the weather, 117 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: and he doesn't seem perturbed when the regio number comes 118 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: up as belonging to a Master Dealership and had in 119 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: fact been canceled the previous year nineteen eighty seven. Neither 120 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: did he show any sign of concern when the license 121 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: check also drew a blank. No one called Philip Gould 122 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: had held a license except for a man born back 123 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty who would have been too old to 124 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: be the man at the wheel of the Master. Somebody 125 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: born nineteen thirty might have been twenty years older than 126 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: this guy, something like that. Confronted with this, the driver 127 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: said calmly that he had owned the car three months. 128 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: None of this actually aroused Sherbel's suspicions until mister Gould. 129 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: The so called mister Gould, admitted he had no identification whatsoever. 130 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: The policeman follows him back to the Master to question 131 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: him further. Then he sees that there's a radio scanner 132 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: on the front seat of the car, and this probably 133 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: rang a faint alarm bell. A radio scanner is used, 134 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: of course, to listen to, among other things, police channels, 135 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: or it can be used to listen to police radio. 136 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: And it's not the usual thing that most people are 137 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: driving around with, particularly if they haven't got any identification, 138 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: and particularly if the car comes up as unregistered. SHERBYL Says, 139 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: so what's your occupation? What do you do? The man says, 140 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm a vet, as in a vetinary surgeon. SHERBYL Said, well, 141 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: you say you're a vet, but you don't have any 142 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: idea on you. That's a bit strange, don't you think. 143 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: The man says, oh, block, I'll look through a bag here, 144 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: look through a belongings and see if I've got any 145 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: letters or anything that show you to show them I'm 146 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: a vet. 147 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: I wait a a job. 148 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: And he gets a briefcase and up and puts his 149 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: hand in it. And meanwhile, Sherbel's not really alarmed by 150 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: anything at this stage. He's writing out his speeding ticket 151 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: in his notebook in triplicate on the roof of the car. 152 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: And suddenly up jumps mister Gould, and he's got a 153 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: handgun in his hand. He's pointing it at the policeman. 154 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: Sherbel recalls that Gould changed character suddenly. His tone of 155 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: voice had changed and had become very assertive and threatening. 156 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: I was immediately scared for my life and I did 157 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: as instructed, and I put both my hands on the 158 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: roof of the car. SHERBYL tried to calm the attacker down. Now, 159 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: Sherbyl his late thirties, but unlike a lot of police, 160 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: he had done other stuff before he joined the force. 161 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: As a youngster. He'd worked on cattle and sheep stations 162 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: in the interior, and he'd worked manually in tough places 163 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: with tough people, and so he'd knocked around a bit. 164 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Then he joined the army and he become a military policeman, 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: and after that his stint in the army, he'd become 166 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: a prison officer. And so he was not a shrinking violet. 167 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: He was a strong man physically and mentally, and he 168 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: dealt with tough guys before, and he dealt with danger before, 169 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: and he had plenty of physical and mental courage, and 170 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: he kept his cool. When this man has pointed a gun. 171 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: It was actually a sawn Off twenty two. I think 172 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the guy was pointing at him. Sherbel's trying to calm 173 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: this guy down, but the man keeps going. He reaches 174 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: over and grabs Sherbel's revolver, his side Army's police revolver. 175 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: So the stranger, the bad guy now has two handguns, 176 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: one of which Sherwell knows for a fact is loaded 177 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: and ready to go. 178 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: It's deadly. 179 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: That's his own revolver. And he said later, I thought 180 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: it was now or never. I felt he was going 181 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: to kill me. I spun around and I grabbed his 182 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: right hand, which was holding my revolver, I grabbed it 183 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: with my left hand, and I grabbed his left hand, 184 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: which was holding his gun, with my right hand, and 185 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep both barrels pointed away from me. 186 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: And so this struggle starts, and you've got the policeman, 187 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: scared but very keen to save his own life, grabbing 188 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: hold of a man who's got a gun in each hand, 189 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: and he's got his wrists and he's forcing those hands 190 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: apart so that neither gun is pointing at him long 191 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: enough to get him shot. This is a very tense situation, 192 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, and it would give you nightmares for 193 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: a long time, because it's very scary and you're not 194 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: sure you can get out of it. And indeed, you 195 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: would be thinking there's only one way out of it, 196 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: that one guy gets shot or the other. It's a 197 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: struggle to the death. There is no one else around, 198 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: so they're wrestling on the side of the road. They 199 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: both fall to the ground and googled. The bad guy 200 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: falls on top of the policeman. At this time, says 201 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: sherbyl All, my concentration was on keeping the firearms pointed 202 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: away from me. I can recall seeing his finger through 203 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: the trigger guard of my revolver. Sherbell put the webbing 204 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: of his own finger between his forefinger and his thumb 205 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: behind the hammer of the revolver, so that he couldn't 206 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: fire and couldn't hit him. Several times, the barrels of 207 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: both weapons were pointed at him, and he was sure 208 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: that one of them would go off and kill him. 209 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: The two men stopped wrestling long enough for the attacker 210 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: to ask the policeman to hand over his gun and 211 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: let him go, but Sherwell, the policeman said, I can't 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: do that. If I lose my firearm, I lose my job. 213 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: I've got four kids and a wife to support, so 214 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: I can't afford to give up my gun and lose 215 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: my job. Give it to me, mister girl, before things 216 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: go too far. Very cool, underfire, our man, Sherbel. For 217 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: a minute, it seemed as if that appeal might work. 218 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: The man hesitated, but then started fighting again. Not a 219 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: smart move, because one sherbyl was a bit younger, and 220 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: a bit stronger and a bit fitter, and he was 221 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: very frightened of being shot, and that adrenaline burst gave 222 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: him extra strength for sure. Moments later he wrestles the 223 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: saun of twenty two from the other guy. Then he 224 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: manages to twist the revolver his own Smith and Wesson 225 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: thirty eight from the man as well, so suddenly Sherbel 226 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: the policeman has both guns. Sherbyll sticks the rifle in 227 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: his own belt and he points his revolver at the 228 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: ordering him to lie flat on the ground. Man refuses 229 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: to do this. He also has got a bit of 230 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: go about him and he won't hold his arm so 231 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: that Sherwyll can handcuff him. Sherbyl starts towards the police 232 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: guarter radio for help. The man blocks his way. Sherwyll 233 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: says to himself, I don't want to get too close, 234 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into another fighter, else 235 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: he might get one of these back from me. He 236 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: asked him several times to get out of the way, 237 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: and when Gould walked towards him, saying go on shoot me, 238 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Sherwyll instead of shooting him, which shows you what a 239 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: thoroughly decent man he was. He could have just shot 240 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: him stone dead right then and would have been completely 241 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: within his rights. Sherbyll actually backed the way and said 242 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: stay where you are. He then fired a shot from 243 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: his revolver into the air to try to scare the 244 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: man off and hope that someone else around the place 245 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: might hear it and call the police, you know, a 246 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: farmer working in a paddock or whatever. The bad guy 247 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: backs off a little bit, but he keeps saying, go on, 248 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: shoot me, go on, shoot me. Sherwyll attempts to move 249 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: to the back of the police car, at which time 250 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: the bad guy tries to block him again. A car 251 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: passes traveling west. As that car approached Gould, the batman 252 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: turns and walks towards his master. Sherwell seizes the chance, 253 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: grabs the radio microphone through the open window of the 254 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: police car and calls Sananad seven two to Snanad urgent. 255 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: And that was a message back to Sonana, but not 256 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: a terribly distinct or complicated message, not a very distinct 257 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: message because he couldn't really add any more. Then Sherwyll 258 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: looks back at the Masda where the bad guy is, 259 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't believe it. What he sees makes him 260 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: run around behind the police car for protection because mister 261 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Gould has now produced a sawn off shotgun. He didn't 262 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: just have a sawn off rifle. He's got a sawn 263 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: off shotgun and he grabs that and he's pointing it 264 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: at Sherwell, who is scared for his life because a shotgun, 265 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: particularly when it's sawn off, has a scatter gun effect, 266 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: and he's going to cause terrible damage at close range 267 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: and it is impossible almost to miss with such a weapon. 268 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: The raises the shotgun, points it at sherbyl Sherwoll fires 269 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: two quick shots from his pistol. The man disappears behind 270 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: the Master. Sherwyl does the same behind the police gar, 271 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: squatting down behind the engine block, hoping it will protect 272 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: him if there's more shooting. He can hear the radio 273 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: D twenty four on the radio calling to him saying 274 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: where are you and you know Sherwyll whatever seven two, 275 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: But because he can't reach it safely. After a while, 276 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Sherwyll screws up his nerve and he creeps along. He 277 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: opens a driver's door and he reaches for the radio microphone. 278 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: He put it on the bonnet and crouched again behind 279 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: the engine block before calling D twenty four for help. 280 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: He wasn't sure if the gunman was still there, but 281 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: if he was, Sherwell was frightened that he was playing possum, 282 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: that he was lying there with the shotgun waiting to 283 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: get a chance to shoot him. So he's still very 284 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: very nervous. Long story short, the Snana police realized that 285 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: something bad has happened. Two coppers there jump in a 286 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: car and speed out to this site, which is fifteen 287 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: k's out of town. So as long as if they 288 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: can get there in two minutes, it takes a while, 289 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: and it is a long time if they're squatting behind 290 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: a car thinking that somebody might shoot you with a 291 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: sawn off shotgun. They know that Sherwill has been checking 292 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: a silver masder because that call had gone in, and 293 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: they know that the man when the Master gave his 294 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: name as Philip Gould. That is all they know, not much. 295 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: Use to them. 296 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: Before they reach the spot where the cars are, there's 297 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: another message from sherwel He says he's fired shots at 298 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: the suspect, but doesn't know if he's hitting. The two 299 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: policemen who've turned up park about one hundred meters away. 300 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: One of them tells the other to go through the 301 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: paddock and around in a looping arc to get behind 302 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: the gunment so that they can sort of work out 303 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: where he is and what he's doing and catch him 304 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: to some extent in a crossfire to trap him. And 305 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: that's what they do. Sherwell calls out, mister Gould, can 306 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: you hear me? Mister Gould, can you hear me? But 307 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: the man doesn't move or make a sound. A minute 308 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: or so later the police creep up and they discover 309 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: why he doesn't make a sound. It's because he's got 310 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: a thirty eight bullet in his brain. One of Wayne 311 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: Sherbyl's shots had hit the mark, which is probably a 312 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: good thing. The police searched the masterne Not only had 313 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: there been a sawn off rifle and a shotgun and 314 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: a scanner, there's false ID. There's a leather cartridge belt 315 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: with eighteen shotgun cartridges and five hundred and eighteen twenty 316 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: two bullets. There's an imitation forty four caliber cold handgun 317 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: and a nine millimeter cartridge. The shaken policeman didn't know 318 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: who the dead man really was, but one thing was certain. 319 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: The mysterious mister Gould was no bird watcher. So at 320 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: this point the dead man is still unidentified. You know, 321 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: police photographers come, forensic come, news, helicopters come. It's big news. 322 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: Policeman shoots man, blah blah blah, great story, big story, 323 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: but they don't know really who he is. As luck 324 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: had it, the people who knew that car, that silver Master, 325 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: we're watching the Channel ten news. Those people were a 326 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: woman called Bev Turner and her two sons who were 327 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: actually in Melbourne because they'd come down from Sheperdon with 328 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: her husband, Ian Turner, her newish husband. When I say 329 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: her sons, they're her sons, not his. They're his step sons. 330 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: And she's not long been married to this guy in Turner, 331 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: and they're living around Sheperdon and three days before this 332 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: shootout he's brought them down to Melbourne for you to 333 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: stay at friends or whatever while he goes off on 334 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: one of his mysterious business trips. Now he's persuaded this 335 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: woman he's married that he's got a lot of business interests. 336 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: He owns buildings and properties and da da da da da, 337 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: And she believes him because he often turns up with 338 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: quite a bit of money and seems to be fairly 339 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: well healed, and he's got a great line of patter, 340 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: and in fact that is how he'd got her in thees, 341 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: he big noted, and he carried large amounts of cash 342 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. So she thought he 343 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: was quite a successful businessman, but she wasn't absolutely certain 344 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: what his businesses were apart from the story. He told 345 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: her that he owned certain buildings in Melbourne and he 346 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: got rent and so on and so forth, And he 347 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: told her he'd been a film producer and a television 348 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: producer at Channel seven and all this sort of stuff 349 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: which had an element of truth about it. He had 350 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: worked at Channel seven, but in fairly lowly roles. So 351 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: Bev Turner and her boys are watching television. They see 352 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: this car beside the road filmed. It's a Mazda six 353 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: to six, and she thinks, that looks like the car 354 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: we used to drive. And then she sees in the 355 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: car with the filming, she sees the Scott Morone upholstery 356 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: and a Morone overnight bag which looks very much like 357 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: her husband. And so she's thinking, my god, that looks 358 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: like that car we used to drive. That I thought 359 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: I ain got rid of but that looks like he's 360 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: gearing the car. My goodness me, So she thinks this 361 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: coincidence is a bit much. One of her sons, obviously 362 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: a teenager or whatever, rings a friend in Sheperdon and 363 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: he says to the friend, John, John, have you've seen 364 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Ian my stepfather? And this blog says no, but I'll 365 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: go around and have a look. So John drives around 366 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: to Turner's house in Sheperdon. It was just on the 367 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: edge of Shep. It was a house on a little 368 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: fruit block with orchard trees. And he notices that, even 369 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: though it's getting a bit late at night, that their 370 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: Doberman dog is tied up to the random post and 371 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: he thinks that's unusual. Usually that dogs around the back 372 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: of his kennel at this time of night. And there's 373 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: no sign of life, no lights, whatever, and he thinks 374 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: this this is not quite normal. There's alarm bells ringing 375 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: in his mind. So he rings Melbourne and he tells 376 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: Bev Turner's sons what he'd found, and then he went 377 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: to Shep police station and he told the officer on duty. 378 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: He thought he knew who was driving the silver Masda 379 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: that had been on the news and therefore he thought 380 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: he knew who the dead guy was. But by this 381 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: stage events were already catching up Bev Turner, the worried wife, 382 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: had asked her friend to ring Bendigo Police about the Master. 383 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: It was then the police knew who the dead man was. 384 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: It was a stolen master. The dead man was Ian 385 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: William Turner born the twenty fifth of July nineteen forty six. Respectable, married, 386 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: no criminal record. He seemed hardly the sort of citizen 387 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: you'd expect to be driving around with sawn off guns, 388 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: an imitation pistol, five hundred rounds of AMMO, and a 389 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: fatal habit bailing up policeman. And so the widow Turner 390 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: was able to fill the police in on quite a 391 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: remarkable story. She'd met Turner just a few years earlier, 392 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: about five years earlier. She had two sons from a 393 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: previous relationship. And she met this guy Daddy and onng 394 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: and he seemed a smooth operator and a big time operator, 395 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: and he had money and started dada and they got 396 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: married and so on. And he'd told her that he 397 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: had a trucking business and he had an office block 398 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: in Albert Road, South Melbourne, and all this sort of stuff, 399 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: and she never really thought to question those things. They 400 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: lived in the country, and now and again he would 401 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: have to take business trips. He would say, well, I've 402 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: got to go and check this or that, and he 403 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: used to tell her about the drivers of the trucks, 404 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: and he had this whole line of patter. She was 405 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: quite invested in this fantasy story that he told. And 406 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: this guy Turner, it turns out, had always been somewhat 407 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: of a fantasist. And so you know, when he worked 408 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: at Channel seven, where he had a pretty basic job 409 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: in the past, they called him Tickles because he had 410 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: a funny laugh. Most people at work with him thought 411 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: he was a big notor who told a strange blend 412 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: of fact and fiction, and that he would big note 413 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: about owning a boat or owning this or that, or 414 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: all sorts of things that some people realized that he 415 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: was really a bullshit artist. But he's a fantasist who's 416 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: not just a harmless fantasist. He's a fantasist who collects guns. 417 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: He's a fantasist who's willing to do crimes to subsidize 418 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: his fantasies. So he pretends that he's got a trucking business, 419 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: or he owns city buildings, but the reality is he's 420 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: robbing banks to get money to pretend that he's doing 421 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: good business. The bank jobs are way for him to 422 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: support the fantasy in front of the woman that he's 423 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: married and her sons, among others. It turns out when 424 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: the police look through the records, they think, ah, there's 425 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: a series of robberies here that this fellow fits perfectly. 426 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: They just had dubbed this guy the country bannit. The 427 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: first robbery had been at the Rutherglen A and Z 428 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Bank back in November eighty four, so this is what 429 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: tweent and a half years earlier. That was just one 430 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: month after Turner had moved to Shepperton. The next was 431 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: at the nab at Rushworth, another little country town just 432 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: big enough to have a bank in that era, June 433 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: nine eighty five. Then that was followed by the state 434 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: bank at Rutherglen back to rother Glen, just a different 435 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: bank in October eighty five, and then the A and 436 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Z bank it's and Arnod in July eighty six. The 437 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: last one was at Dimbula's State Bank on the eleventh 438 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: of June eighty seven. So this fellow has been doing 439 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: a bit more than one a year, but not many more. 440 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: He's just been nailing one now and again when he 441 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: needed the money. So it's not really a spree. It's 442 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: pretty cool and calculated, and the police are certain that 443 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: on the day that he was shot dead he was 444 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: on the way to do another robbery. It sort of 445 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: fitted his mo He had the guns with him, he 446 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: was driving fast, which was not smart, but maybe he 447 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: was late for an appointment that he had made or 448 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: something before the shooting. Before he shot dead, police knew 449 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: that the five robberies had totaled something like one hundred 450 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, and they knew it had been 451 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: committed by the same man because of certain striking similarities. 452 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: Each of the five banks, small country town, including the 453 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: tour at Rushworth, all done by a man in his 454 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: forties whose description was the same each time. His method 455 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: was simple, brazen, un effective. In each case, he made 456 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: a bogus appointment by telephone to see the manager about 457 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: investments the Bandit would turn up just before closing time, 458 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: neatly dressed, without any attempt at disguise, and he'd go 459 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: in and shake hands with the manager and sit down 460 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: with his briefcase, and then he produced a gun and 461 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: say have a look at this. Staff were often locked 462 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: in a rear room while the offender rifled the strong 463 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: room and the tellis draws. Identical hand ties were used 464 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: to tie up staff into of the robberies, and he 465 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: used the same false name into the robbery, so that 466 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: is a pretty good indicator that it was him. When 467 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: he robbed the State bank at Rutherglen, one of his 468 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: two rother Glenn robberies, the bandit pulled off an elaborate con. 469 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: He posed as a telecom employee, working on the bank's 470 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: phones for a week before finally bailing up the staff. 471 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: Not a bad con, a little bit Ocean's eleven for Rutherglen. 472 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: Because of this approach, where he didn't wear disguises, the 473 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: police had a very accurate description of the balding, fair haired, 474 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: genial looking man with the chubby frame and the distinctive chuckle. 475 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: Every one knew Ian's laugh. 476 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: His wife recalled later. 477 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Of course, everything that the police found at his house 478 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: supported the idea that he had been a serial robber, 479 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: because they found other weapons. They found hand ties, they 480 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: found all sorts of stuff that were incriminating. What they 481 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: didn't find was a whole. 482 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 4: Stash of cash, which leads to the speculation by some 483 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: that the secret of where he buried his money died 484 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 4: with him, and that out there somewhere in Sheperdon or 485 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: out in the countryside, somewhere between Rutherglen and Rushworth and Soananad, 486 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: he buried a whole pile of cash. 487 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: And there is another PostScript to the story, and that 488 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: is what happened to our hero, Constable Wayne Sherbell, the calm, tough, 489 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: sensible copper who did exactly the right thing, saved his 490 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: own life and possibly someone else's by doing what he 491 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: did and by shooting Ian Turner, who was obviously a 492 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: very dangerous man. It took some time, but eventually the 493 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: system caught up with Wayne Shrwell, and in the subsequent inquest, 494 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: the coroner put it very plainly that Turner got himself 495 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: killed by his own actions. The coroner said Constable Sherwell 496 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: not only acted with exemplary restraint and self control, but 497 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: he also remained mindful of the safety of those members 498 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: of the public as motorists drove unwittingly into a theater 499 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: of Mortal Kombat, Constable Sherwell has earned both respect and commendation. 500 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: On the ninth of December nineteen ninety four, so this 501 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: is six years later, Sherwell was presented with the Police 502 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: Valor Medal in a quiet ceremony at the Police Academy, 503 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: attended by family and a few friends. Three days later 504 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: he was given a civic receptionists and armored and then 505 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: it was official. Wayne Sherwell was a local hero. It 506 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: just took the criminal justice system six years and two 507 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: days to acknowledge it. Thanks for listening. Life and Crimes 508 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: is a Sunday Herald Sun production for True Crime Australia. 509 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Our producer is Johnty Burton. For my columns, features and more, 510 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: go to herold'sn dot com dot Au forward slash Andrew 511 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: rule one word. For advertising inquiries, go to news Podcast's 512 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: soul at news dot com dot Au. 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