Speaker 1: This is the US Report with James Moroar. Good evening
Speaker 1: and welcome to the program. Huge week in American politics.
Speaker 1: So here's what's coming up tonight. It's the shutdown sweeps,
Speaker 1: But is MAGA about to give up on one of
Speaker 1: its most powerful weapons just to bring the crisis to
Speaker 1: a close. Plus Gavin Newsom tries to beat Trump at
Speaker 1: his own game. Should Republicans be worried? For twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 1: And she's out a here. World class stock picker Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi is finally retiring. You're not gonna want to miss
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's reaction. But first, well, allow me to join
Speaker 1: all those who have offered up their congratulations to Zoron
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie, the newly elected Democrat socialist mayor of New
Speaker 1: York City, whom this program endorsed just last week, Because well,
Speaker 1: if adults want to do dumb things, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: have to let them do it and let them deal
Speaker 1: with the consequences. And you know what, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie or sugarcoat it. Election Tuesday was a disaster for
Speaker 1: the Republicans. It saw a bunch of big wins for Democrats,
Speaker 1: not just in New York City but in other key
Speaker 1: races in New Jersey, where Democrat Mikey Charrell knocked off
Speaker 1: Republican challenger Rick Chittarelli, and in Virginia, where not only
Speaker 1: did Democrat Abigail Spanberger beat Republican Winsome Earl Sears, but
Speaker 1: where as well, Democrat Attorney General j Jones also beat
Speaker 1: his Republican opponent, Jason Mayarez, despite his campaign being rocked
Speaker 1: by text matches scandals, which revealed not only that Jones
Speaker 1: once fantasized about murdering that's right, shooting dead Republican legislators,
Speaker 1: but also appeared to celebrate the idea of their children
Speaker 1: being killed too. So much for the politics of civility. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why all this happened, including
Speaker 1: a public servant heavy Virginia where there was a lot
Speaker 1: of anger over the ongoing government's shutdown. But you know,
Speaker 1: the big story of the week remains this guy, Zorn Mamdanni,
Speaker 1: the soon to be Democrat socialist mayor of New York,
Speaker 1: who prevailed over Democrat turned independent Andrew Cuomo and Republican
Speaker 1: candidate Curtis Sliwa. So at this point we really need
Speaker 1: to look at what happened here who are these people
Speaker 1: who actually voted for this guy? Why did they vote
Speaker 1: for him? And has he cracked a formula that the
Speaker 1: Democrats can use more broadly going into the midterms and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight to prevail over Donald Trump and the
Speaker 1: MAGA movement. And here's the biggie. Is New York City
Speaker 1: now going to get its free buses, free childcare, captaints,
Speaker 1: defund police and lord knows what else Zoron has in
Speaker 1: store for them. Well, first of all, to the question
Speaker 1: of who voted him in, let's ask Zoron himself. This
Speaker 1: is who Zoron mam Danmi says was behind his movement.
Speaker 2: I speak of Yemeny bodega owners and Mexican abuelas, Senegalese
Speaker 2: taxi drivers and usbeck nurses, Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties, yes, aunties.
Speaker 1: Where were the Irish pub owners the French pastry chefs.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But notice one thing that he didn't
Speaker 1: talk about at all. He didn't talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: actual Americans. Because Zoron Mamdani is the face of the
Speaker 1: new multicultural ethic of the left, one that spurns the
Speaker 1: simulation in the old melting pot for a Hotel America
Speaker 1: model where people define themselves by their individual ethnic identity,
Speaker 1: not by their common americanness. And indeed, Mom Donnie's victory
Speaker 1: goes to the heart of a much bigger problem, not
Speaker 1: just of illegal migration, but also legal migration encouraged by
Speaker 1: people who believe that you can bring people from very
Speaker 1: different cultures in and they will automatically become lovers of
Speaker 1: individualism and freedom and capitalism as soon as they set
Speaker 1: foot on US soil or let's be frank, Australian soil
Speaker 1: as well. Demographics is destiny, and as Mom Donnie's own
Speaker 1: campaign videos suggest, well not so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you has got my citizen issues. Hey, congratulations for congratulations.
Speaker 1: So that's part of it. You know, you get your
Speaker 1: citizenship you vote for Mom Donnie, and it is a
Speaker 1: fundamentally reshaping of New York, a fundamentally reshaped New York
Speaker 1: that helps push him over the line, because I mean
Speaker 1: this is a shocks me. You know, imagine coming to
Speaker 1: become a citizen of the greatest capitalist power in the
Speaker 1: history of the world and voting for this guy who
Speaker 1: opened his acceptance speech, his victory speech by quoting a
Speaker 1: literal communist.
Speaker 2: The sun may have set over our city this evening,
Speaker 2: but as Eugene Debs once said, I can see the
Speaker 2: dawn of a better day for humanity.
Speaker 1: Oh how they cheered, Yes, Eugene Deb's the old communists.
Speaker 1: But I wonder what sort of people are also out
Speaker 1: there falling for this? What did Joe Biden call it? Malarkey?
Speaker 3: What's your favorite example of socialism?
Speaker 4: That's the word.
Speaker 5: I don't have a big example of it of socialism.
Speaker 3: Between Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite one?
Speaker 6: Man, you will go to spot.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go Cuba.
Speaker 7: Ah ah, Man, I'm gonna have to go Cube, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna have to go Cuba.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go with it.
Speaker 4: It's just so complicated for me.
Speaker 6: I got so much information in my head, but I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go with that.
Speaker 3: You think Mandami's the future of the democratic parties?
Speaker 9: I mean, I hope so.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, good old Cuba. Well, it wasn't just socialists
Speaker 1: who voted for Bob Donnie, but he also has a
Speaker 1: sport of full on communists as well.
Speaker 3: The grocery store capitalists, which have quite quite a powerful lobby,
Speaker 3: right one of the grocery store bosses.
Speaker 1: He said, I think of Cristides.
Speaker 3: Right, He said that he was going to pull out
Speaker 3: of New York City. If Zoron one right, we would say, sure,
Speaker 3: pull out, and we will take over your grocery stores, right,
Speaker 3: and we will use them for cheaper groceries, and we
Speaker 3: will take over the entire food industry. Because that's that's
Speaker 3: something that can be done if the working class is organized.
Speaker 1: Well. That has worked so well so many times in
Speaker 1: the past. But let's beat some war voters like this
Speaker 1: couple who look, you know, very educated and intelligent, but
Speaker 1: clearly never studied economics.
Speaker 6: And what about the government run grocery stores? Do you
Speaker 6: think that that's a model that could work.
Speaker 7: Yes, And I think there's too many hungry people and
Speaker 7: too many potatoes here that are five dollars a pound.
Speaker 1: Are these people serious? Look? The really interesting thing about
Speaker 1: all this is that for all of Zoron Mam Donnie's
Speaker 1: claiming to be the mantle of the hero of the
Speaker 1: ethnic working classes, it is the reasonably well off who
Speaker 1: really were his biggest supporters. According to this Zenith Research
Speaker 1: poll taken just before polling day, Mam Donnie's main opponent,
Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo, was relatively stronger with Native New Yorkers, low
Speaker 1: income New Yorkers, and people who lived in public and
Speaker 1: rent controlled units, But Mam Donnie did better with relatively
Speaker 1: better with newcomers to the city i e. Transplants from
Speaker 1: elsewhere in the US or the world, the well off
Speaker 1: and market rate renters. This exit poll here also showed
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie doing better with more educated voters. The more
Speaker 1: education you've had, the more degrees you had, the more
Speaker 1: likely you were to vote Zoron. But this here was
Speaker 1: also a massive surprise to me. And there's a big
Speaker 1: danger in this one here. So much for the idea
Speaker 1: that young men are conservative and young women are Lefty's trope.
Speaker 1: This threw this away. This exit poll found that gen
Speaker 1: Z women broke eighty four percent for Mom Donnie. Well,
Speaker 1: that's huge, But it also found that gen Z young
Speaker 1: men also voted sixty eight percent for Mom Donnie. That's
Speaker 1: an overwhelming preponderance. So what's going on here. Well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of theories out there, and we are going
Speaker 1: to canvass them during the next hour of the program.
Speaker 1: But let me suggest to you that New York has
Speaker 1: always drawn people who were smart, ambitious and want to
Speaker 1: be in whatever field is out there for them. Yet
Speaker 1: the reality is, especially these days, there aren't enough prestige
Speaker 1: jobs for every ambitious youngster, and the city is expensive
Speaker 1: and life is frustrating, and sociologists call this phenomenon the
Speaker 1: crisis of elite over production. And whenever this happens in society,
Speaker 1: things get unstable, as they are now. And so when
Speaker 1: a happy, talking, exotic fellow like Bamdani comes along, overruns
Speaker 1: their social media, sells them hope and promises a free stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: of course they vote for him over people like the
Speaker 1: sour pushed Andrew Cuomo or the raving Curtis Sliwa. Democrats
Speaker 1: who think the free stuff mantra will play everywhere in
Speaker 1: the country though, should as a result of this, think
Speaker 1: twice because the rest of America is very different to
Speaker 1: New York City. And it's funny. Donald Trump is from
Speaker 1: New York and his opponent just won the mayoralty there
Speaker 1: because his hometown rejected him. Yet the country turned out
Speaker 1: on mass to give Trump a second term last year.
Speaker 1: So Mom Donnie may Bee popular in New York, but frankly,
Speaker 1: I doubt his brand of upbeat ethnic socialism will ever
Speaker 1: play in Peoria. Well, let's bring in my first guest
Speaker 1: tonight here. Joining me now you know him well is
Speaker 1: former White House Chief of Staff and senior advisor of
Speaker 1: Bondai Partners, Mick mulvady.
Speaker 8: Nick.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on after this very big week in
Speaker 1: American politics. I want to start off talking about New
Speaker 1: York zoron Mom, Donnie, and I'll get your reaction to that,
Speaker 1: but also in the context of other races where Democrats
Speaker 1: did quite well this week, particularly in Virginia and New Jersey.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering how much of this is due to
Speaker 1: an anti Trump effect, or how much of this is
Speaker 1: because Trump wasn't out there so much in some of
Speaker 1: these races, particularly Virginia and New Jersey. Tell us your take.
Speaker 6: You know, James, they say, every time there's a plane
Speaker 6: crash or a train wreck, fourteen or fifteen things have
Speaker 6: to go wrong. And all of those things went wrong
Speaker 6: for the Republicans this week. Trump wasn't on the ticket,
Speaker 6: his base wasn't motivated. The Democrats were motivated against him.
Speaker 6: They had some decent candidates, we had some bad candidates.
Speaker 6: Everything came together and it was really quite surprising. Though
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, keep in mind that
Speaker 6: Republicans we didn't really expect to win a lot of
Speaker 6: these races. We thought we might win the attorney general's
Speaker 6: race in Virginia. We maybe thought we had a chance
Speaker 6: in the New Jersey governor's race. In the New Jersey
Speaker 6: governors race, we lost by thirteen points. That's not close.
Speaker 6: That's a shellacking. That's an old fashioned butt kicking, and
Speaker 6: it's hard to spin it any other way. Clearly, the
Speaker 6: Democrats have taken control of the issue of affordability, inflation,
Speaker 6: the cost of living, and they worked that to their advantage. Now,
Speaker 6: granted it came to fruition and different. You had very
Speaker 6: moderate centrist candidates running in Virginia and New Jersey and
Speaker 6: an avowed socialist running in New York City. So I
Speaker 6: think it's sort of hard to figure out where the
Speaker 6: Democrat Party is going still, But you have to give
Speaker 6: him credit. They won the week, and they won it big.
Speaker 1: Well, they won the week, and you know, as I
Speaker 1: said earlier in the program, this really does foreshadow of
Speaker 1: still a big split within the Democrats. But which way
Speaker 1: they're going to go? The progressive mom Donny way, or
Speaker 1: a more establishment way. But on Virginia in particular, how
Speaker 1: much was that government shut down driving votes for the
Speaker 1: Democrats in Virginia, which has a large in the north
Speaker 1: population connected to Washington, d C. And the government because
Speaker 1: you had those horrific texts and phone messages from Jay Jones,
Speaker 1: and even he still won as Attorney General having fantasized
Speaker 1: about the death of Republican opponents and even their kids.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean stopping please allow that to sink in
Speaker 6: that that Virginia just elected somebody who wanted to shoot
Speaker 6: his opponent's children. I mean, that's where the party is
Speaker 6: right now. But to your question about the shutdown, look,
Speaker 6: if it's going to have an impact anywhere, it would
Speaker 6: be in the state of Virginia. But still I think
Speaker 6: even without the shutdown the results are probably about the same.
Speaker 6: Keep in mind, these are federal workers, whether not they're
Speaker 6: at work or they're not at work. They just don't
Speaker 6: like Donald Trump. That is the deep state for the
Speaker 6: most part. They haven't liked him since twenty sixteen. They're
Speaker 6: not going to start to like him right now. I
Speaker 6: don't think it's possible for them to like him any less.
Speaker 6: So in the shutdown probably played a very very minor
Speaker 6: role in Virginia. I don't think he played a role
Speaker 6: at all in New York City or in the state
Speaker 6: of New Jersey. The media here will try to make
Speaker 6: it now a loss for Trump because of the shutdown,
Speaker 6: to put pressure on him to reopen the government and
Speaker 6: give in to the Democrats on Obamacare. But I certainly
Speaker 6: hope the Republicans aren't reading too much into the connection
Speaker 6: between the outcomes of the election and the shutdown.
Speaker 1: Well, just on the show Shutdown, I've been very curious
Speaker 1: to watch how this shutdown has played played, because normally
Speaker 1: these things go very well for the Democrats. But I
Speaker 1: was very interesting to see what Frank Luntz had to
Speaker 1: say on CNN. Have a look at this.
Speaker 5: Everyone is being hurt by this, everyone's credibility and respect
Speaker 5: and looking at the government, and the public just looks
Speaker 5: at this and says, why why can't you find some agreement?
Speaker 6: Why can't you give it?
Speaker 10: Can you?
Speaker 6: Why can't you cooperate?
Speaker 5: It is hurting the Republicans, but it seems to be
Speaker 5: hurting the Democrats even more.
Speaker 1: And this week we are going to have air traffic
Speaker 1: control dialed back by ten percent. Air flights doed back
Speaker 1: by ten percent of major airports. This is really going
Speaker 1: to start to bite once you start to cut flights
Speaker 1: and things like that. People going to feel this.
Speaker 6: Now they are, And Frank has a good friend, has
Speaker 6: been for a long time, and he and I've had
Speaker 6: this conversation many times. He's right, but he's not exactly right.
Speaker 6: The public is upset, and that's true, but the public
Speaker 6: doesn't vote keep him on. The turnout here was extraordinarily low.
Speaker 6: So a lot of the people that Frank is talking
Speaker 6: to say that you don't like either party. You know,
Speaker 6: they're upset with the way Washington is being run. Those
Speaker 6: generally are not the people that show up in these
Speaker 6: off year elections. It's the base that votes the really
Speaker 6: hardcore right and the hardcore left. It's sort of in
Speaker 6: that sense than James, like a primary election. Not exactly
Speaker 6: the same, but it certain trends that way. And I
Speaker 6: got to tell you, the Democrats think they're winning the shutdown.
Speaker 6: Republicans think they're winning the shutdown. That's why I just
Speaker 6: don't think the shutdown, to counter to what Frank would suggest,
Speaker 6: had much of anything to do with his outcome here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think you're probably right there. But just
Speaker 1: you know, moving forward with the shutdown, you've got other
Speaker 1: issues as well. You've got the filibuster and the people
Speaker 1: saying that maybe Donald Trump should end this filibuster rule around,
Speaker 1: you know, the vote to get the government moving again.
Speaker 1: Explain to our friends here in Australia who may not
Speaker 1: be across the ins and outs, what this word means
Speaker 1: and why it's so important for getting the government funded again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's important for a lot of different things. It's
Speaker 6: essentially a rule that requires any piece of legislation, with
Speaker 6: certain exceptions, any piece of legislation in the.
Speaker 9: Senate to.
Speaker 6: Obtain sixty votes. So less a party has sixty votes,
Speaker 6: it means that anything coming out of the Senate needs
Speaker 6: to be bipartisan. It's non constitutional, by the way. In fact,
Speaker 6: it's not even that old. The current filibuster rule was
Speaker 6: created in the nineteen seventies. It used to be that
Speaker 6: a senator had to talk in order to filibuster or
Speaker 6: prevent a vote. That's the old movie if you're familiar
Speaker 6: with it down there called mister Smith goes to Washington
Speaker 6: with Jimmy Stewart. But that rule change the nineteen seventies
Speaker 6: and essentially senators can now just tell everybody that they
Speaker 6: would talk about it. That constitutes of philibuster, and it
Speaker 6: essentially means that every vote needs sixty votes. Trump doesn't
Speaker 6: like it. I don't like it. There's a lot of
Speaker 6: folks who in the Senate who do like it. Here's
Speaker 6: the critical part, though, James, to your point, Trump can't
Speaker 6: change it. Trump cannot change it, has no authority whatsoever
Speaker 6: to change it. This is an internal rule of the Senate.
Speaker 6: The Senate itself has to agree to change this, and
Speaker 6: we tried to put pressure on them in the first
Speaker 6: term to get to get the filibuster to allow us
Speaker 6: to redo Obamacare. We've tried again now to try to
Speaker 6: allow us to reopen the government, and the Senate in
Speaker 6: many ways cares a lot more about that filibuster than
Speaker 6: a lot of other things. So I don't think the
Speaker 6: philibuster rule is going to change, and that's certainly not
Speaker 6: going to solve the problem we have today with the shutdown.
Speaker 1: But strategically speaking, though, I mean, there could be some
Speaker 1: time in the future when the Democrats have a small
Speaker 1: majority in the Senate, and if you got rid of
Speaker 1: that rule now, then Republicans would lose a big handbreak
Speaker 1: in the future on you know, whatever radical things they
Speaker 1: wanted to try.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's certainly the argument, and I can see that argument.
Speaker 6: My response to that, Believe me, I've had this conversation
Speaker 6: right as chief of staff with Richard McConnell, with dozens
Speaker 6: of Republican senators. They're like, look, meck, you know, we
Speaker 6: need this for the day the Democrats take over. I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know, the day the Democrats take over. It strikes
Speaker 6: me that that's what the voters wanted. What you folks
Speaker 6: are really doing in the Senate is ing the voters
Speaker 6: from having a say in how their country is run.
Speaker 6: They could elect fifty nine Republican senators and still not
Speaker 6: have the ability to pass legislation without having it be bipartisan.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure that's what the founders wanted. If the
Speaker 6: Founders had wanted that, they would have put the filibuster
Speaker 6: rule in the Constitution. But they didn't. And again, there's
Speaker 6: other sort of breaks against an overreaching Senate, which would
Speaker 6: be to go back to that rule about just having
Speaker 6: the ability to speak a filibuster to actually talk and
Speaker 6: stop things that way, as opposed to just putting your
Speaker 6: name on a piece of paper and going off to
Speaker 6: a fundraiser. Believe me, as a man, as a member
Speaker 6: of the former Member of the House Representatives, I'm not
Speaker 6: a big fan of the filibuster, and I wish it
Speaker 6: would go away, but I think it's mostly academic at
Speaker 6: this point. There's no interest, I think, in the Senate
Speaker 6: right now to change the philibuster rules.
Speaker 1: But Mick, you may very well have changed my mind
Speaker 1: on the filibuster. It's so fascinating with US politics, how
Speaker 1: these debates can echo back for two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1: Mick mulvaney, thank you so much for your time. As always,
Speaker 1: I says, all right, well, let's go to New York
Speaker 1: City now. Joining me now is the New York Posts
Speaker 1: editor at large, Kelly Jane Towards. Kelly, thanks for joining me.
Speaker 1: You are on the front lines.
Speaker 9: Here.
Speaker 1: We are two days now removed from Zeron Mam Donnie
Speaker 1: being elected as New York City's mayor elected. I loved
Speaker 1: the front page of your paper on his win, on
Speaker 1: your marks, get set Zoe, socialist mom. Donnie wins the
Speaker 1: race for the Red Apple. Kelly Jane Towards, is it
Speaker 1: really going to be as bad as all that.
Speaker 11: Yes, I think it might be. Jane's I hate to
Speaker 11: be a downer, you know, but you know, I have
Speaker 11: to say. I mean half of New York is feeling
Speaker 11: very down right now. And in fact, I mean I'm
Speaker 11: hearing constantly every day multiple Jewish New Yorker friends and
Speaker 11: colleagues and everywhere. It's just they're very worried because Zone
Speaker 11: Donni you know, has you know not he refused to
Speaker 11: denounce globalizing in infactata, which is basically an anti Semitic
Speaker 11: slogan about you know, murdering his ranglis, and so there
Speaker 11: were not just him and what he'll do, but what
Speaker 11: he might unleash.
Speaker 6: You know, there's going to be.
Speaker 11: Since October seventh, we've seen anti semitism in the city
Speaker 11: Skyrocket and it shocked me. It really did, James, and
Speaker 11: we're gonna you know, that was after Israel suffered this massacre,
Speaker 11: and so it's gotten bad. And I think someone like
Speaker 11: him being elected is sending a message that we're going
Speaker 11: to tolerate that kind of attitude, that kind of talk,
Speaker 11: and you can actually win election in the biggest city
Speaker 11: in America with that kind of talk.
Speaker 1: Well, and not only that kind of talk, but also,
Speaker 1: you know, all of the socialist economics, the free buses,
Speaker 1: the rent caps, the government run grocery stores and a
Speaker 1: your paper, Mondani has said, I am also looking to
Speaker 1: be clear about the mandate that we won over the
Speaker 1: course of this election, and it is a mandate to
Speaker 1: deliver on the agenda that we ran on. Your paper
Speaker 1: has just reported his remarks there doesn't sound like he's
Speaker 1: going to moderate after this election. And I tell you what,
Speaker 1: having lived through other mayors like David Dinkins and Bill
Speaker 1: de Blasio, this sort of stuff has real consequence on
Speaker 1: the streets.
Speaker 11: You are correct, James, and that's why a lot of
Speaker 11: us are very worried about, you know, how what's our
Speaker 11: life going to look like, how are we going to
Speaker 11: afford things?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 11: How safe are we going to feel? And in fact,
Speaker 11: you know, when he gave his victory speech, he actually
Speaker 11: sounded even less moderate than he did on the campaign chroll,
Speaker 11: and I wasn't sure that was possible.
Speaker 6: James.
Speaker 11: It's incredible, you know, it's amazing. I was talking to
Speaker 11: you know, people you know, at events, parties in Brooklyn,
Speaker 11: that kind of thing, and you know, I'm in I
Speaker 11: was at in Brooklyn the weekend after the Democratic primary,
Speaker 11: and one, you know, one woman there who was you know,
Speaker 11: i'd say, in her fifties, very educated, said she voted
Speaker 11: for him, and when asked why, because everybody else was
Speaker 11: a little surprised, she said, well, he has fresh ideas. No,
Speaker 11: he does not have fresh ideas. As you know, James,
Speaker 11: these ideas are a century old, and they've failed every
Speaker 11: single place they've been tried, and often, you know, usually
Speaker 11: always accompanied by you know, dead people, as we know
Speaker 11: from Russia, China and anybody else who's tried marx as
Speaker 11: evil evil ideas. So you know, I can't believe that
Speaker 11: educated people think he's offering fresh ideas when he's offered anything.
Speaker 11: But and by the way, busses are basically already free
Speaker 11: here because you know, more than a third of riders
Speaker 11: don't pay the fare.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, yes, how's your social contract going over there?
Speaker 1: I think you need a bit of that rut of
Speaker 1: Giuliani zero tolerance stuff. But you know, I'm fascinated by
Speaker 1: what you said about the education levels, because I said
Speaker 1: at the start of the program, one of the things
Speaker 1: here is as you move up educational attainment, the greater
Speaker 1: the chance that the New Yorker will have voted for
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie. Now, how much of this sort of fresh idea,
Speaker 1: new ideas stuff is about people coming to New York
Speaker 1: and maybe just feeling like New York hasn't worked out
Speaker 1: for them and they want the government to maybe come
Speaker 1: in and fix the problem that they're not having, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever career take off or the thing that they wanted
Speaker 1: when they came in from you know, their liberal arts college,
Speaker 1: you know, Brown University or wherever.
Speaker 11: Well, I think that's that's that's a great theory, James,
Speaker 11: and I bet you that accounts for some of it.
Speaker 11: And we do know that you know, very white liberal
Speaker 11: enclaves where people with those kind of degrees live, those
Speaker 11: areas voted even more for Mom Donnie than other areas.
Speaker 11: But there's also a reverse coin reverse out of the
Speaker 11: coin of that, which is the less time people have
Speaker 11: been in New York City, the more likely they are
Speaker 11: to vote for Mom Donnie. So I mean, still, you know,
Speaker 11: very overwhelming in a lot of these numbers, but you know,
Speaker 11: people who have been here for not even five years
Speaker 11: voted something like eighty four percent for Mom Donnie. And
Speaker 11: then you know, five to ten years, it goes down
Speaker 11: to seventy something. And so, you know, my theory on
Speaker 11: that is that perhaps these people, not having lived through
Speaker 11: Build A Blasio also and not having known anything about
Speaker 11: the last hundred years of history, also think he's got
Speaker 11: these fresh ideas because he has Built A Blasio on steroids.
Speaker 11: And I can tell you, by the time Build A
Speaker 11: Blasio left office, every New Yorker hated him. And that
Speaker 11: was one of the things I you know, I learned
Speaker 11: when I first moved here myself from Washington, d C.
Speaker 11: Was that anywhere you want on the political spectrum, everybody.
Speaker 4: Hates de Blasio.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, looks kind of.
Speaker 11: Amazing to me. You know that they elect this guy
Speaker 11: who says that Deblasio is the greatest mayor you know,
Speaker 11: we've had, But say, haven't been in the city.
Speaker 4: They didn't see it.
Speaker 11: How bad it can he really really get? And it
Speaker 11: certainly was, you know, crime was out of control. I
Speaker 11: mean it's still not great, but you know Bill de
Speaker 11: Blasio was was you know, he you know, he spent
Speaker 11: a billion dollars giving money to his wife or this
Speaker 11: mental health program that did absolutely nothing for the people
Speaker 11: of New York.
Speaker 1: Well, Bill de Bosia was a disastrous and mayor. But
Speaker 1: without getting into the sort of the history of that there,
Speaker 1: what I'm having a lot of people ask me in
Speaker 1: Australia is how did they wind up with this guy?
Speaker 1: You had Andrew Cuomo, you had other Democrats, and people
Speaker 1: have talked to in New York saying, any kind of
Speaker 1: normal Republican of Mike Bloomberg type could have won, any
Speaker 1: sort of normal Democrat could have won this. How did
Speaker 1: what was this sort of the backstory that got us here?
Speaker 1: Because people here are pretty curious about that.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm glad to hear that, and you know, hopefully
Speaker 11: you know, they got the pop corners that they watch
Speaker 11: over the next four years what New York City becomes.
Speaker 11: But James, I've asked that question myself for months now,
Speaker 11: countless times.
Speaker 4: How how did the.
Speaker 11: Best we could come up with, you know, to versus
Speaker 11: Mom Donnie was Andrew Cuomo for example. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 11: you know, killed old people during COVID.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 11: But to be honest, the Republicans really need to get
Speaker 11: their act together here in New York City and State.
Speaker 11: I know Curtis, I think he's a very nice guy.
Speaker 11: There's a lot to be said for him, and I
Speaker 11: watched both debates. He performed particularly well in the second debate,
Speaker 11: and listening to it, he seems eminently reasonable. I can't
Speaker 11: figure out why any normal person wouldn't give him a chance,
Speaker 11: but he has that ar beside his name, and let's
Speaker 11: face it, he lost already to Eric Adams.
Speaker 1: Kelly Jane Torrens from the New York Post, thanks so
Speaker 1: much and good luck in New York. You're always welcome
Speaker 1: here in Australia. And of course Andrew Cuomo didn't kill
Speaker 1: people during Cuomo, but his his COVID conduct was rather questionable.
Speaker 1: But he didn't kill anybody, just to make that very clear.
Speaker 1: But don't go anywhere, because I've also got a very
Speaker 1: special guest coming up after this break who has diagnosed
Speaker 1: exactly what she thinks has gone on behind the scenes
Speaker 1: with New York's campaign, and says, what happened there could
Speaker 1: be coming to a ballot box near you too. It's
Speaker 1: not progressivism, it's not Islamism. She calls it third worldism.
Speaker 1: It's must watch stuff. And speaking of must watch, check
Speaker 1: out this mom, Donnie voter, did you know that apparently
Speaker 1: Americans have no culture? Yeah? That's right. Apparently Mom Donnie's
Speaker 1: win is one to shove in the faces of all
Speaker 1: the crusty white people. That's her words, not mine.
Speaker 4: Many needs spies said he's lifetime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take that, your crusty white people. How's that melting
Speaker 1: pot working out for you? I feel so enriched already.
Speaker 1: Stick around because we've got the rise of third world
Speaker 1: politics in America. After the break, welcome back to the program.
Speaker 1: Now in a moment, I'll be joined by a new
Speaker 1: face here on the US Report who has a fascinating
Speaker 1: take on how zoron Mom Donnie's third world ideology is
Speaker 1: changing politics and how Republicans might fight it. But first,
Speaker 1: we normally talk here about how badly the American media
Speaker 1: is biased against Republicans. But here's a real shocker from
Speaker 1: the BBC over in Great Britain. They've been sensationally caught
Speaker 1: out doctoring footage of Donald Trump speaking to protesters in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. On January sixth, making it seem like he
Speaker 1: encouraged what later became the Capitol He'll Riot, but in
Speaker 1: fact the reality was very different. Have a look here
Speaker 1: at how they selectively edited the president back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty and then what he actually said.
Speaker 6: We're gonna walk down to the Capitol and I'll be
Speaker 6: there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell.
Speaker 9: We're gonna walk down to the Capitol.
Speaker 2: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
Speaker 2: congressmen and women.
Speaker 1: You see what they did there. They cut away, used
Speaker 1: different audio from a different part of the speech, and
Speaker 1: made it a little look like it ran together. Well done,
Speaker 1: bebe say it came out of a whistleblower's report that said, quote,
Speaker 1: this created the impression that Trump said something he did
Speaker 1: not and in doing so, materially misled viewers unquote. Well
Speaker 1: it will be the first time or the last, but
Speaker 1: Australians at least will maybe take comfort from knowing they're
Speaker 1: not the only ones whose taxes go to fund a
Speaker 1: blatantly biased state broadcaster. All right, let's bring up my
Speaker 1: next guest, who has written an absolutely fascinating report at
Speaker 1: her website about what the mom Donnie wins and win
Speaker 1: means in New York City for politics in America more broadly. Now.
Speaker 1: Zenabrabua is a research fellow with the Hudson Institute Center
Speaker 1: for Peace and Security in the Red Least and the
Speaker 1: report she has written has gone viral among watchers of
Speaker 1: the American scenes, and Nev thanks so much for joining
Speaker 1: me on the US Report. Tell us first a little
Speaker 1: bit about your background. Now, you're originally from Morocco, which
Speaker 1: I think gives you a bit of a unique perspective
Speaker 1: in your take on what's just happened in New York City.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you very much for having me. It's a
Speaker 7: real honor to join you today and to really talk
Speaker 7: about my blog post. So yeah, coming from Morocco, I've
Speaker 7: I've seen a lot of what is considered the colonial
Speaker 7: discourse and this uh kind of moral lens through which
Speaker 7: one sees the world and discusses the world. And it's
Speaker 7: this and this constant cycle of seeing the world through
Speaker 7: victim uh colonial, the colonial, the colonizers, et cetera. And
Speaker 7: so I thought that it was interesting because I see
Speaker 7: that a lot in as you mentioned, I work on
Speaker 7: foreign policy at the Hudson Institute, So I see that
Speaker 7: a lot on foreign policy, see that in the Middle
Speaker 7: East and all Africa. And then I thought, this is
Speaker 7: very interesting what is happening in the United States. The
Speaker 7: the discourse that infects the lenses to which one approaches
Speaker 7: the Middle East is now getting getting into how approaches
Speaker 7: US politics. And I thought it was very interesting that
Speaker 7: a lot of people were discussing, you know, what is
Speaker 7: who is around Mamdani? How is he thinking? Is he
Speaker 7: an Islamist? Is yet communist? And I thought, why not
Speaker 7: to actually explain how I see him? And I thought
Speaker 7: that his background is very interesting, his father's work was
Speaker 7: very interesting, and I thought, Aha, this is actually dicolonial,
Speaker 7: the colonial way of seeing the world, and why not explain,
Speaker 7: explain why and how Mamdani uses it?
Speaker 1: And so how does he use that? Because you brought
Speaker 1: together a lot of threads which I think we've seen
Speaker 1: since October seventh with this kind of decolonized mentality, made
Speaker 1: it into the streets and protests. But you say, this
Speaker 1: is what he's talking about now, is this next stage
Speaker 1: of this sort of decolonial protesting. But how can you
Speaker 1: have a decolonial movement in the United States, which is
Speaker 1: a country that does of colonies? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 1: So the way I saw it was that a lot of.
Speaker 7: People, you know, talk about Israel after October seventh, but
Speaker 7: there's also America after October seventh, Uh, there was this
Speaker 7: whole sturge of anti Zionist activism across university campuses in
Speaker 7: Columbia University and other universities, and they were all talking
Speaker 7: about decolonizing the Middle East, that America was actually evil,
Speaker 7: the the the root of all evil in the world,
Speaker 7: and that this Western hegemony should absolutely be dismantled, and
Speaker 7: Israel is the center of it, and that Israel is
Speaker 7: the is the embodiment of Western domination in the Middle East.
Speaker 7: And you can see that language that has been fermenting
Speaker 7: slowly and gradually since October seventh. And Mamdanie actually spoke
Speaker 7: to that directly. The universities because they because they promoted
Speaker 7: a lot of these message dismissaging uh and the signaling.
Speaker 7: I think, I think macdonnie found the perfect moral terran
Speaker 7: for a terran for it. It's true, the United States
Speaker 7: does not have colonies, does not have a lot of
Speaker 7: what they accuse any colonial power to have. But here's
Speaker 7: what the United States has. It has one of the
Speaker 7: best militaries in the world. It has a thriving economy,
Speaker 7: it has this mentality for American dynamism. And I think
Speaker 7: and I think that uh, that it's it's something that
Speaker 7: they see as inherently evil, and every evil that happens
Speaker 7: in the world is actually because the United States it's
Speaker 7: too powerful, and it's only after it gives up its
Speaker 7: power that it can be good. And that Israel is
Speaker 7: part of that as well.
Speaker 1: And so it's you're sort of the tip of the
Speaker 1: spear there for America in the West. But you call this,
Speaker 1: you call this sort of politics third world ism. And
Speaker 1: you used to say, there's a line here that really
Speaker 1: struck me. And when back with several times you said
Speaker 1: that quote. Anglo American conservatives were used to debating policies
Speaker 1: and principles, are unprepared for this kind of politics. So
Speaker 1: how do people who don't subscribe to this and don't
Speaker 1: want to see this kind of revolutionary third world politics
Speaker 1: infect America or Australia or Britain or wherever you know
Speaker 1: Anglo sphere politics. What do they do? Because Mom Donnie
Speaker 1: had a very slick, very sophisticated campaign. It was very positive,
Speaker 1: it was very high on the social media. And if
Speaker 1: you're arguing, you know, polities and principles, that's boring and
Speaker 1: it's funny, Doddy, how do you turn around? How do
Speaker 1: you turn that moral logic around.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So the one something that first of all, I
Speaker 7: call it thrilled worldism because it actually is part of
Speaker 7: third worldist literature when it comes to understanding the economy
Speaker 7: and so on. I mentioned people like Samir Me other
Speaker 7: economists and writers who are precisely in that, in that
Speaker 7: school of thought. And and as you said, it's true,
Speaker 7: he is very positive, etcetera. But he's also someone who
Speaker 7: who loves this binary logic of victim and oppressor, and
Speaker 7: and that you know, if if things in New York
Speaker 7: are are not working well, it's because of this structural
Speaker 7: systematic systemic capitalism and so on and so on, and
Speaker 7: there is one way to actually get out of it,
Speaker 7: and it's to not be part of it. There is
Speaker 7: something that I saw which is how a lot of
Speaker 7: politicians and commentators and other critics they they are always
Speaker 7: part of the frame. And this is why someone like
Speaker 7: Trump uh is a genius about it, because he just
Speaker 7: refuses the frame. There is nothing to apolog apologize for
Speaker 7: the United States has a very different history than the
Speaker 7: one of Europe. Israel has a very different history than
Speaker 7: what they accuse it of. And it's to actually refuse
Speaker 7: this simplicity, and I think that and I think that
Speaker 7: this is very I think it's very key to understanding
Speaker 7: it because a lot of it is about moral purity.
Speaker 7: It's about are you willing to apologize of things that
Speaker 7: happened centuries ago when the problems are actually things that
Speaker 7: we have to deal with now. And I think that
Speaker 7: refusing the frame is the best thing I see forward
Speaker 7: because it is a policy platform, and a lot of
Speaker 7: politicians make the mistake of accepting the frame.
Speaker 1: It's the debbel We're going to have to leave it there.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, and thank you
Speaker 1: for putting a great piece out there into the discourse
Speaker 1: this week. Really appreciate your time. Now we've got to
Speaker 1: hit a quick break, but first check this out. There
Speaker 1: were scary scenes at the White House when Novo Nordes
Speaker 1: VP Gordon Finley collapsed while the President made a big
Speaker 1: announcement about his company's weight loss drugs. Have a look
Speaker 1: at this. You okay, We're okay. Yeah, that scary stuff there.
Speaker 1: But the good news is he's okay, folks, And you
Speaker 1: know else is okay. Alex Stein, He's more than okay,
Speaker 1: and he's coming in after the break. Hey, welcome back
Speaker 1: to the program. Now joining me Now, We've got a
Speaker 1: great treat for you. You know him well, commentator and
Speaker 1: comedian Primetime ninety nine, Alex Stein. Alex, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining me here. And I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: you on here because we know that California Governor Gavin Knewsom, well,
Speaker 1: he thinks he's the new Trump, and he thinks he's
Speaker 1: doing great stuff on social media, doing all of this
Speaker 1: funny stuff trying to be all trumpy. Now, there was
Speaker 1: a thing called Opposition fifty which was voted through this week,
Speaker 1: all about redistricting in that state, and he put this video. Calverny,
Speaker 1: go to Skavin Newsom, put this video up on social media.
Speaker 1: I want your reaction and rating of this.
Speaker 8: Have a look, Sun, I'll still dams wait ten yearsic
Speaker 8: to the boss and the battling Boss and the way test.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Alex, this seems really really derivative. And
Speaker 1: the phrase it comes to my mind is imitation is
Speaker 1: the sincerest form of flattery. But you're the professional jokester.
Speaker 1: Does this land at all?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 10: I mean, this is not funny. This is like, I
Speaker 10: don't know, not even a three out of ten. But
Speaker 10: you know, we play in a coffeecat league. You know this,
Speaker 10: and just like Zoe Ron basically running a social media
Speaker 10: campaign that you know, it was a good social media campaign.
Speaker 10: I mean, his mom's a filmmaker, and if you've ever
Speaker 10: seen any air films, you know that they're great at
Speaker 10: making those movies. So obviously I'm kidding about that, but
Speaker 10: he did run a good campaign, and what did he do?
Speaker 10: They're just coughying what.
Speaker 9: Donald Trump did and Gavin Newsom is trying to do it.
Speaker 10: And yes, he's getting a little bit of a I
Speaker 10: think he's getting a little bit of motion.
Speaker 9: Doing this, so that's why he's going to continue to
Speaker 9: do it.
Speaker 10: But this isn't who he is, Like, this isn't his
Speaker 10: real personality, and he's not funny, and everybody that's running
Speaker 10: a social media campaign probably does not.
Speaker 9: Have a real sense of humor. So I really don't
Speaker 9: see it.
Speaker 10: Actually being as effective as the MAGA movement. But I'm
Speaker 10: actually you know, I got to give him kudos. Like,
Speaker 10: like you just said, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Speaker 9: So they want to be like Trump. They got a
Speaker 9: copy Trump.
Speaker 1: Well, but is there sort of also a broader point
Speaker 1: here too, because you know, for you know, at least
Speaker 1: all of this century, you know, you have to go
Speaker 1: back to maybe the sixteen to seventies for the last
Speaker 1: time the left liked to have a laugh. Are the
Speaker 1: Democrats finally starting to realize that they shouldn't be such
Speaker 1: a bunch of that's not funny kill joys about fun.
Speaker 9: Well, of course, and you know that that's the truth.
Speaker 10: It's like everybody wants to laugh, and especially this younger
Speaker 10: generation that has been raised by the Internet. They have
Speaker 10: they're very desensitized to a lot.
Speaker 9: Of the old typical humor that we might have heard
Speaker 9: a long time ago.
Speaker 10: So we kind of went through this woke period where
Speaker 10: we had to be very politically correct. But now the
Speaker 10: younger people they want politically incorrect content. So the last
Speaker 10: is probably realizing that, and so now they're going to
Speaker 10: start pushing the limits and probably you know, not be
Speaker 10: so politically correct. So I do like it in the
Speaker 10: grand scheme of things, and I love the First Amendment.
Speaker 10: So I encourage both political parties to you know, push
Speaker 10: the limits of free speech and give the people what
Speaker 10: they want.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right. Hey also want to talk about this other
Speaker 1: story also out of California out of Los Angeles. A
Speaker 1: woman in a Los Angeles Jim was kicked out for
Speaker 1: complaining about a man. Yes, that's right, a man, a
Speaker 1: fella in the ladies' facilities there. Now, if people out
Speaker 1: there haven't seen this yet, take a look at this.
Speaker 4: God Jah man, bro Man. We're big and a woman's
Speaker 4: locker roam.
Speaker 6: And that's why I'm getting kicked out.
Speaker 4: And I want to make Sean a cross.
Speaker 6: Now. Today I was naked in the locker room.
Speaker 4: I turned around and there's a man there.
Speaker 1: And boys like boy clothes.
Speaker 9: Lip gloss standing there looking at me.
Speaker 1: I'm butt naked.
Speaker 6: So the first thing I think is maybe there's a
Speaker 6: work doing here.
Speaker 9: Maybe I missed a sign.
Speaker 1: I say the word sir, to say, sir, what.
Speaker 9: Are you doing in here?
Speaker 1: He goes, don't talk to me.
Speaker 6: I'm a woman.
Speaker 3: I have a right to be in here.
Speaker 1: Alex, walk me through this. I can't believe that these
Speaker 1: sorts of cases are still going on here. What is happening?
Speaker 1: What's your take on this? Or that a gym kicked
Speaker 1: her out and not this? You know other person, Well, you.
Speaker 10: Know this is serious issue, and I believe this happened
Speaker 10: in California. But you know, I had that moment at
Speaker 10: the Texas Senate hearing where they passed the bathroom bill
Speaker 10: here in Texas.
Speaker 2: And in that bill, it.
Speaker 10: Didn't just talk about bathrooms, but it also talks about
Speaker 10: at public parks, how they have these communal locker rooms,
Speaker 10: and that's where these people go. They go where women
Speaker 10: are vulnerable and go to the locker room because really,
Speaker 10: like in a stall, you wouldn't know. I'm not saying
Speaker 10: I want men in women's spaces, but you're extra vulnerable
Speaker 10: in a women's locker room, and that seems to be
Speaker 10: where a lot of these people want to go. So
Speaker 10: I'm happy that she had the courage to call you know,
Speaker 10: them out.
Speaker 9: Whatever their proper pronouns are.
Speaker 10: But I'll tell you this much, this is a serious
Speaker 10: issue that is really affecting women and making them feel
Speaker 10: uncomfortable and men. I don't want a woman in the
Speaker 10: men's locker room, but at the same time, that's not
Speaker 10: a threat. And so you know, there probably needs to
Speaker 10: be legislation and more states that outlaws people from men
Speaker 10: from going into women's spaces.
Speaker 9: It's not that complicated.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and especially just around these corporations. You know,
Speaker 1: taking the woke side of these issues just seems really
Speaker 1: horrific and victim blaming. But also you know who else
Speaker 1: is blaming the wrong people in all of this. Here
Speaker 1: are the people to involved with this government shutdown. We
Speaker 1: spoke a little bit about it earlier in the program,
Speaker 1: but take a look here at Democrats, Senator Jackie Rosen
Speaker 1: and the Senate Minority leader continue to pedal lies about
Speaker 1: what's going on and who is responsible for not paying
Speaker 1: the bills. How look at this? What do you say
Speaker 1: to the staff?
Speaker 9: What do you say the TSA workers?
Speaker 6: What do you say they are traffic controllers?
Speaker 11: I am saying to you, as it's a Republican shut down,
Speaker 11: my friend, you are in control of the White House,
Speaker 11: you are in control of the House, and you are
Speaker 11: in control.
Speaker 1: Of the Senate.
Speaker 6: The answer, as I said, is simple and what we've
Speaker 6: been saying all along. Republicans who cause the shutdown by
Speaker 6: not even negotiating with us.
Speaker 1: Democrats have the votes, Alex Stein to end this thing tomorrow,
Speaker 1: to end it today if they want to. The Democrat
Speaker 1: messaging this is surely going to blow up in their
Speaker 1: face on this.
Speaker 10: Well, James, I don't want to get too crazy. And
Speaker 10: you know, I am a typical conspiracy theorist, tenfoil of
Speaker 10: hat wearing conspiracy theorist proudly. But what's going on right
Speaker 10: now is absolutely terrible. And now you see constantly everybody's
Speaker 10: talking about the FAA, everybody's talking about how air travel
Speaker 10: is you know, stretched.
Speaker 9: In, and that is the case.
Speaker 10: And I fully believe that they want there to be
Speaker 10: some sort of aviation disaster so that they can blame
Speaker 10: it on Trump. And I'm not saying that they want
Speaker 10: to perfectly kill people, but I do believe these people
Speaker 10: could easily, you know, start the government back up, they
Speaker 10: can end the shutdown, but they're refusing to because they're
Speaker 10: trying to put the screws on people right now. They
Speaker 10: want people that are on food stamps and EBP to
Speaker 10: feel the pressure. So now they're going to have to
Speaker 10: go out and rob and steal and do whatever they
Speaker 10: can to make ends meet. So this is like it
Speaker 10: really feels like in America, they're trying to put the
Speaker 10: screws on us, because it's absolutely ridiculous that they would
Speaker 10: stay this, you know, locked down or out of work,
Speaker 10: when in reality, when they come back, they all get
Speaker 10: back pay anyway. So it's all just one big at
Speaker 10: the end of the day, and the American people are
Speaker 10: realizing that.
Speaker 9: And I just hope there's not.
Speaker 10: Some sort of serious aviation disaster that they can blame
Speaker 10: on Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: I really hope not.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, though, Alex. I think that this
Speaker 1: is part of an old revolutionary strategy that is summed
Speaker 1: up by the phrase the worse the better. Alex Stearn,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me, and now stick around.
Speaker 1: We've got only an American next. But a little bit
Speaker 1: of breaking news. Also, the eighty five year old Nancy Pelosi,
Speaker 1: former House speaker and investment guru, is finally finally retiring
Speaker 1: from politics. And guess what Donald Trump has thoughts.
Speaker 12: I think she's an evil woman. I'm glad she's retiring.
Speaker 12: I think she did the country a great service by retire.
Speaker 12: I think she was a tremendous liability for the country.
Speaker 12: I thought she was an evil woman who did a
Speaker 12: poor job to costs the country a lot in damages
Speaker 12: and in reputation.
Speaker 1: I thought she was sereble evil. That's even worse than
Speaker 1: a nasty woman. But I tell you what, mister President,
Speaker 1: I reckon. The feeling is mutual. Stick around because only
Speaker 1: in America is next after the break.