WEBVTT - Part 1: Victoria’s historic treaty

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<v Speaker 1>This nation. Leading bill and the treaty process as a

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<v Speaker 1>whole shows what we can achieve when we listen to

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<v Speaker 1>first peoples and work together for better outcomes.

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<v Speaker 2>As Victorian Premier just sent to Allan introduced Australia's first

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<v Speaker 2>ever treaty to Parliament, she said it would pave the

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<v Speaker 2>way for a formal apology, the introduction of Aboriginal truth

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<v Speaker 2>telling into the school curriculum, and offer a better future

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<v Speaker 2>for Indigenous Australians in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>It honors and affirms special connection the First peoples have

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<v Speaker 1>to country, this place now known as Victoria, which we

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<v Speaker 1>all call home. It reckons with the wrongs of the

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<v Speaker 1>past and sets a new course, guided by truth, to

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<v Speaker 1>a better future.

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<v Speaker 2>The treaty is the combination of almost a decade of

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<v Speaker 2>work establishing the First People's Assembly, who led the negotiations,

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<v Speaker 2>and it delivers on voice, treaty and truth, the three

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<v Speaker 2>pillars of the Ulary statement from the heart, making Victoria

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<v Speaker 2>the first state in the country to achieve this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven AM today. Co

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<v Speaker 2>chairs of the First People's Assembly Niagara, Murray and ruben Berg,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they hope Victoria's treaty will deliver and how.

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<v Speaker 3>Its success will be measured.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Friday, September twelve, and this is part one of

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<v Speaker 2>a two part episode Niagara. Ruben, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining me to begin me, would you mind just

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<v Speaker 2>introducing yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hello, Niagara Murray whereby one but you order jar

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<v Speaker 3>Jarmarol and Dieral woman and I like a co chair

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<v Speaker 3>of the First People's Assembly and.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Ruben Burke Craft the Nicks Mara May and also

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<v Speaker 4>one of the co chairs of the First People's Ascending

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<v Speaker 4>of Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, welcome to seven am. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the show. The first Treaty with the first

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<v Speaker 2>peoples of this country has just become a reality. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a long road to get here, so to beginning

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me how you're both feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm feeling good. The historic day for all of

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<v Speaker 3>us with the introduction of the Statewide Treaty Bill in

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<v Speaker 3>the Parliament, there was a day of emotions and pride

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<v Speaker 3>and reflection.

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty will be a source of pride for all Victorians,

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<v Speaker 1>representative of a proudly diverse and multicultural state which values

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<v Speaker 1>its history and all of its people, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>not about taking anything away from anyone, It's about practical

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<v Speaker 1>changes to do things better together. I am proud to

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<v Speaker 1>support this next step in treaty. I am proud that

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<v Speaker 1>together we are improving people's lives and giving everyone a

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<v Speaker 1>better future.

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<v Speaker 5>I commend the bill to the House.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just really excited to be in this position in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's been a lot of hard work over the

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<v Speaker 3>last six years in particular, but nearly a decade of

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<v Speaker 3>preparatory work. And yeah, we're in a really strong position

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<v Speaker 3>as we work towards the very first treaty of this country.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, as Nagara said, it's been a very long journey

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<v Speaker 4>to get us here, across six years of traveling around

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<v Speaker 4>the whole state, talking with all of our community in

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<v Speaker 4>every corner of the state, and now to get to

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<v Speaker 4>this point where it's about to become a reality. To

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<v Speaker 4>now then think forward to let's get the action done.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's start getting things done rather than having to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about treat now it can actually activate it.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously I want to talk more about what it

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<v Speaker 2>all means. But you both mentioned it's been a long

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<v Speaker 2>road to get here. Of the last decade so can

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<v Speaker 2>you just tell me about some of the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>key points in the negotiations between the Assembly and the

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian government.

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<v Speaker 4>The first part of the negotiations when we started as

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<v Speaker 4>an Assembly was really to work out what treaty would

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<v Speaker 4>look like actually here in this state, because there's lots

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<v Speaker 4>of different models you can go down for treaty making,

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<v Speaker 4>and very early on we made I think a really

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<v Speaker 4>important decision an agreement with the state that we'd tackle

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<v Speaker 4>this as a hybrid model. So we're looking at both

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<v Speaker 4>state wide treaties, which is the first part of which

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<v Speaker 4>has gone into the legislation as part of the bill,

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<v Speaker 4>and then there's also traditional loan and treaties that are

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<v Speaker 4>happening in parallel. And so that was I think a

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<v Speaker 4>really key first part of this process to say we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to have both, and that drew from different models

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<v Speaker 4>across the globe, and then as we started talking more

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<v Speaker 4>about the first state White Treaty to say that what

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<v Speaker 4>we wanted to do is set things up for success

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<v Speaker 4>and for future conversations that if we're going to have

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<v Speaker 4>further negotiations and further conversations, we need to have a

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<v Speaker 4>really strong, democratically elected traduce loaner led body that can

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<v Speaker 4>intersect with government really powerful ways, so we can advocate

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<v Speaker 4>for better outcomes and then also progress future treaty making.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me then I guess about the practicalities of that.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the purpose of the treating what does it

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<v Speaker 2>look like for us?

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<v Speaker 3>The treaty will really be about the relationships and the

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<v Speaker 3>setting of those relationships between first people's and the state.

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<v Speaker 3>As Ruben said, there'll be many treat We've got the

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<v Speaker 3>hybrid approach of the state wide treaty covers all the

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<v Speaker 3>statewide matters and addresses our affairs within health and housing,

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<v Speaker 3>education and justice, sports. There will be a number of

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<v Speaker 3>treaties in the next iteration of the statewide treaty, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the trition owner treaties will relate to the business

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<v Speaker 3>of those trush owners on their country and their aspirations

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<v Speaker 3>within their own context. But this is the first modern

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<v Speaker 3>treaty in over twenty years, we've looked internationally to all

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<v Speaker 3>the different examples of treaty making in other countries with

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<v Speaker 3>indigenous peoples, and it is the first treaty. We can

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<v Speaker 3>only do so much in this one, and then we

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<v Speaker 3>will pass the button to the next iteration of the Assembly.

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<v Speaker 3>But it encapsulates all our aspirations, all our demands and

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<v Speaker 3>asks that we've been fighting for for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>and putting them into practice. And there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>tangible outcomes that will happen through the first State wide Treaty.

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<v Speaker 3>But that structural reform is really what we're seeking around

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<v Speaker 3>how we govern into the future when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>aboriginal affairs.

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<v Speaker 2>And just tell me a bit more about that structural

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<v Speaker 2>or form, the new iteration of the First People's Assembly,

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<v Speaker 2>What does it look like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this is the transformation of the Assembly as

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<v Speaker 4>it is now into this future body and it sits

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<v Speaker 4>within this space referred to as Gallilas and that's the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of overarching landscape of tree you making. So within

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<v Speaker 4>gallung Lah will still be the First People's Assembly of

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<v Speaker 4>Victoria as the democratically elected body, and that's the body

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<v Speaker 4>that we'll be able to talk directly to Parliament, to

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<v Speaker 4>address Parliament once a year, to meet with Cabinet, to

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<v Speaker 4>meet with ministers, to have relationships with departments about how

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<v Speaker 4>when government's developing policies that might affect first peoples, how

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<v Speaker 4>they intersect and engage with the expertise of First Peoples.

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<v Speaker 4>Also within that space of gallung Lis will be the

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<v Speaker 4>Nin mah Yenyawara, which is their accountability mechanism. And this

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<v Speaker 4>is something that's very clearly drawn from the work of

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<v Speaker 4>the Productivity Commission last year and they did a big

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<v Speaker 4>review onto closing the gap and what needed to be

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<v Speaker 4>changed to actually see some closing those gaps. And a

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<v Speaker 4>key thing they identified was there's not a First people's

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<v Speaker 4>led body that's actually monitoring the government to see how

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<v Speaker 4>are they performing and giving them recommendations about what to improve,

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<v Speaker 4>and so that's what we're creating through niingma Yanyawara. Another

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<v Speaker 4>component of the Gallinwall will be the ongoing truthcut through

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<v Speaker 4>Tolkuna and so that will ensure that the powerful work

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<v Speaker 4>that happened through the truth calling process here in Victoria

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<v Speaker 4>through Year Rook will be able to be continued. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's an ongoing role for place based truth celling and

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<v Speaker 4>to ensure that all Victorians can better understand the history

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<v Speaker 4>of First Peoples from a first people's perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, as you mentioned there, they didn't to go

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<v Speaker 2>and well is this access to government, So there's this

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<v Speaker 2>power to make representations to Cabinet, to ministers, to various departments,

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<v Speaker 2>to both houses of Parliament. So tell me how you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that access being used, what's going to be advocated for?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so really at this stage it's about a process

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<v Speaker 4>and the types of things we want to advocate for.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that's the next conversation to talk with that community.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not just going to be whoever the coaches are

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<v Speaker 4>deciding that this is what they want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>There are really strong processes in the legislation and in

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<v Speaker 4>our own internal processes to make sure we're hearing directly

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<v Speaker 4>from all parts of the state about what's important and

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<v Speaker 4>feeding that in. And we do have the powerful work

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<v Speaker 4>of your book of four years of our people coming

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<v Speaker 4>and giving evidence to show what also needs to change.

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<v Speaker 4>So that'd be a really key roadmap of the type

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<v Speaker 4>of things we're going to be advocating for and the

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<v Speaker 4>future body can advocate for when we do have that

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<v Speaker 4>greater access to government.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is a provis so that nothing in the

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<v Speaker 2>agreement limits the authority of the Parliament to make laws

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<v Speaker 2>and conduct it's business. So do you feel like there

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<v Speaker 2>is enough of a guarantee that the government of the

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<v Speaker 2>day will listen.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I've heard far too much about the concept of

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<v Speaker 4>parliamentary sovereignty in the last couple of years and never

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<v Speaker 4>really need to. But we're very mindful that parliament has

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<v Speaker 4>its role to do and that's rightfully so, given that

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<v Speaker 4>they're chosen by all the people of the state. So

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<v Speaker 4>we just want to make sure that when there is

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<v Speaker 4>a role for government to have decisions that impact first peoples,

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<v Speaker 4>that they're actually hearing from first peoples about that. We

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<v Speaker 4>want to make sure we have really strong relationships, as

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<v Speaker 4>Nagara said before, that's really key to these processes of

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<v Speaker 4>being able to sit down and look in the eye

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<v Speaker 4>of these politicians and say this is what our people need,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is what our people are saying, and this

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<v Speaker 4>is what our experts are saying, and hopefully that sees

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<v Speaker 4>the change, but if not, we can keep coming back

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<v Speaker 4>to the table and having those conversations and understand if

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<v Speaker 4>that's not the approach they think will work, what will

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<v Speaker 4>and how can we make that work even better.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've had a really strong relationship with the state

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<v Speaker 3>over six years now, you know, right across the political

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<v Speaker 3>sphere to ensure that we have that support and really

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<v Speaker 3>entrenched the work that we've done within this system to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to have strong foundations for a treaty and

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<v Speaker 3>strong relationships as we head into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up, how the success of this treaty will be

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<v Speaker 2>measured over the coming years, So Reuben and Agara, as

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<v Speaker 2>part of this treaty, primary and secondary school children will

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about Victoria's first people's There's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a new curriculum developed choosing some of the findings of

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<v Speaker 2>the commission. So tell me a bit about what might

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<v Speaker 2>be taught and what you're hoping that that will achieve.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, the work of Europe has been absolutely profound,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fact that we've now completed the inquiry and

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<v Speaker 3>we have those one hundred recommendations and truth telling in

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<v Speaker 3>education is really key to the future of this country

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<v Speaker 3>and how we will coexist together all Victorians within the state.

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<v Speaker 3>Understanding the real history, the true history.

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<v Speaker 5>I have learned much that I did not know in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of the true history of the dispossession, what the settlers,

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<v Speaker 5>the colonizers did when they came to Victoria. I did

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<v Speaker 5>not know of the massacres. I'm ashamed to say I

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<v Speaker 5>did not. I have learned about the size and scale

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<v Speaker 5>of the murders and the massacres through my preparation for

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<v Speaker 5>my appearance today, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of my own child, a nine year old

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<v Speaker 3>that's been on this treaty journey with us. She's a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a treated kid. But how amazing would it

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<v Speaker 3>be for the schools within Victoria to understand the history

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<v Speaker 3>of this country and celebrate sixty thousand years of culture

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<v Speaker 3>and what that means to us as the first peoples

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<v Speaker 3>of this land, and for people to really understand the

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<v Speaker 3>history of this country because it is a shared history

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<v Speaker 3>that we all have as Victorians.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think on that as well. Sometimes there can

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<v Speaker 4>be seen to be just to focus on the more

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<v Speaker 4>traumatic sides about the history of first peoples, And obviously

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<v Speaker 4>it is important that all Victorians can better understand the

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<v Speaker 4>true impact of colonization. But it's also about celebrating black excellence. Still,

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<v Speaker 4>it's about every school kid in Victoria should understand the

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<v Speaker 4>significance of the aquaculture system down at Budja Bim, and

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<v Speaker 4>they should understand the significants of people like Barrow's grandfather

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<v Speaker 4>and great grandfather and all the work of First peoples

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<v Speaker 4>in progressing that comes across the old state. We want

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure we're celebrating Abageal history as well as

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<v Speaker 4>part of that process.

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<v Speaker 2>And the opposition, the Liberal l opposition in Victoria doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>support the treaty. It's still a voice to Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>The government are trying to put through a voice to

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament without taking it to the Victorian community.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that disappointing?

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<v Speaker 3>It's disappointing. Like we've worked really hard to build relationships

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<v Speaker 3>with the opposition this term and we've got open door policy,

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<v Speaker 3>so we'll continue that dialogue with the opposition. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's disappointing. We work hard on our relationships and I

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<v Speaker 3>think we'll just continue to do that. I think they've

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<v Speaker 3>kind of showed some of their true colors within the Parliament,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think for us, yeah, we'll just continue the

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<v Speaker 3>dialogue with the opposition.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and to me, there's two really key components. One

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<v Speaker 4>is they've spoken about the importance of closing the gap,

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<v Speaker 4>and we recognize the importance of that too, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>why we've drawn so heavily from the work of the

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<v Speaker 4>Productivity Commission. If I was going to say who knows

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<v Speaker 4>best about what might need to change for closing the gap,

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<v Speaker 4>it's first Peoples and a Productivity Commission that has done

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<v Speaker 4>an in depth review and to what needs to change,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we're delivering on those things from the Closing

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<v Speaker 4>the Gap review and also just to note that this

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<v Speaker 4>has happened, there's going to be a tree error and

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<v Speaker 4>we need to make sure we can use that to

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<v Speaker 4>best benefit for all Victorians and to get better outcomes.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's something that's going to be there and we're

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<v Speaker 4>happy to work with all sides of government to make

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<v Speaker 4>that work as effectively and efficiently as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the first Australian treaty. You mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>international examples were looked at while this was being formulated.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me a bit more about that and

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<v Speaker 2>the lessons that you've taken from elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of learnings and lessons. And we

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<v Speaker 3>speak really closely with our different indigenous brothers and sisters

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<v Speaker 3>across the globe and we've recently visited Altro with the

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<v Speaker 3>Mali to have some strong relations there to learn from

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<v Speaker 3>their treaties and the history of the Treaty of Waitangi.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk with the Mob in the States, like with

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<v Speaker 3>the Native American Mob and the British Columbian mob Sami.

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<v Speaker 3>We've looked at all the different examples and I think

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<v Speaker 3>from Ruben's perspective, we've got a poss and skin cloak

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<v Speaker 3>analogy where we've put together some of the best examples

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<v Speaker 3>and learnings of successful treaties and we've adapted that and

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<v Speaker 3>tailored that to our approach. And I think we're in

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<v Speaker 3>a really strong position, and we've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>support right across the globe. And I know that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of Indigenous peoples and even our different countrymen and

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<v Speaker 3>women across the different jurisdictions of Australia are watching and

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<v Speaker 3>supporting us from afar. So it's pretty exciting to think

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<v Speaker 3>that we will have a treaty in a modern context

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<v Speaker 3>and the very first one of it's kind in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we'll often talk a lot about how Victoria

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<v Speaker 4>is leading the way in a national perspective, but we're

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<v Speaker 4>just catching up with the rest of the globe. Like

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<v Speaker 4>color countries have had these treaty processes in place for

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<v Speaker 4>a long long time now, so it's really important to

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<v Speaker 4>see this from that global perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>And so how will you measure the success of this

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<v Speaker 2>treaty and say five or ten years time, how big

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<v Speaker 2>is the scale of the change that you hope that

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<v Speaker 2>this will make.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that our community will be the measures

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<v Speaker 4>of success, and hopefully we see our communities continue to

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<v Speaker 4>thrive and see the ability to actually take control of

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<v Speaker 4>our own lives and actually thrive in our own communities

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<v Speaker 4>and have our culture be really strong. That's what we're

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<v Speaker 4>looking for, and we want to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 4>have all of our community anticipating and involved in these processes,

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<v Speaker 4>and that'll be, from our perspective, the true measure of success.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a key issue we've faced in a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of these spaces is that so often what success looks

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<v Speaker 4>like is dictated by external measures, where government are deciding

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<v Speaker 4>that these are the measures of success. And now we're

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<v Speaker 4>entering towards the process where we, as first peoples, will

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<v Speaker 4>be able to determine what we think success looks like

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<v Speaker 4>and measure that against our own ideas, which is really important.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Nagara Rubin, thank you so much to be your time.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you our pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first part of a two part episode.

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<v Speaker 2>In the next episode, I speak to writer and my

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<v Speaker 2>seven AM co host Daniel James about the politics of

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<v Speaker 2>the treaty and why other states and territories have abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>their own treaty processes.

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<v Speaker 6>So the response from sections of the media was entirely predictable,

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<v Speaker 6>trying to conflate it with things like the referendum, which

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<v Speaker 6>is a completely different thing. This is it, this is

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<v Speaker 6>what's happening, and if people want to conflate that with

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<v Speaker 6>the referendum result for political purposes, then we'll wave to

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<v Speaker 6>them as we go over the hill and down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the politics and pushback, and it's in your

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<v Speaker 2>feet now.