Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Tonight a major sit down interview with former British Prime
Speaker 3: Minister Boris Johnson. He opens up about Donald Trump. He
Speaker 3: also reveals his final conversation with the Queen, just two
Speaker 3: days before she passed away. He speaks about the wave
Speaker 3: of anti Semitism globally and reveals the truth about exactly.
Speaker 2: How many children he has.
Speaker 3: He says he's had many kids because we're in a
Speaker 3: demographic deficit.
Speaker 2: Well that's his excuse.
Speaker 3: He also talks about his secret mission to stop Prince
Speaker 3: Harry from leaving the UK.
Speaker 4: I failed to avert megsit, I take it, but I
Speaker 4: did deliver Brexit.
Speaker 3: He's got strong ideas, he's entertaining and very funny. That
Speaker 3: major interview coming up. But first to the US election.
Speaker 3: We're just days away from this his election, and the
Speaker 3: result matters here in Australia arguably just as much.
Speaker 2: As who our own prime minister is.
Speaker 3: American leadership is critical to the inflation fight and cost
Speaker 3: of living, to national security, support for Israel, dealing with
Speaker 3: the threat of China and Orcus. We don't have a vote,
Speaker 3: but it matters and here's how the polls are looking.
Speaker 3: Trump is ahead in all but two of the battleground states.
Speaker 3: According to Real Clear polling. Trump's ahead in Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: North Carolina, and Georgia, while Cormala is ahead in Wisconsin
Speaker 3: and Michigan. The New York Times reports that never before
Speaker 3: in modern presidential campaigns have so many states been so
Speaker 3: tight this close to election date, And now that Trump
Speaker 3: appears to be edging ahead in the polls.
Speaker 2: The campaign is getting uglier. The New York.
Speaker 3: Times reports top Democratic top Democratic strategists are increasingly hopeful
Speaker 3: that the campaign's attempts to cast former President Donald J.
Speaker 3: Trump as a fascist will carry Miss Harris to a
Speaker 3: narrow triumph. So this is a very deliberate decision to
Speaker 3: go negative and go nasty, a deliberate strategy to paint
Speaker 3: Trump as a dictator. This is what's happening behind the
Speaker 3: scenes in the Harris camp. But publicly, Kamala is pledging
Speaker 3: unity for all Americans. But Joe Biden let the truth
Speaker 3: out this week when he called Trump supporters garbage.
Speaker 1: Only garbage I see floating down there is his orders.
Speaker 3: Seizing on the comments Trump today turned up in a
Speaker 3: garbage truck in the swing state of Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: That's like deplorable Ville.
Speaker 5: This is the deplorable b.
Speaker 1: Hillary, and I think this is worse.
Speaker 6: Actually, you can't lead America if you don't love Americans.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 6: You can't be president if you hate the American people,
Speaker 6: which I believe they do.
Speaker 3: Such a strong line there from Donald Trump, and you
Speaker 3: could be forgiven for thinking that. Well, perhaps Joe Biden
Speaker 3: doesn't want Kamala to win, and who could blame him?
Speaker 3: He was falced out of the race to the Oval office.
Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama made it clear that he
Speaker 3: had to go.
Speaker 2: They were the ones.
Speaker 3: With the real power, not Potus. And in the crucial
Speaker 3: final days, well Biden certainly not helping Kamala's chance of winning.
Speaker 3: She's trying to portray a picture of unity. She claims
Speaker 3: that Trump wants to put Democrats in jail, and she
Speaker 3: insists that she'll do the opposite, that she'll give Republickins
Speaker 3: a seat at the table.
Speaker 5: Unlike Donald Trump. I don't believe people who disagree with
Speaker 5: me are the enemy. He wants to put them in jail,
Speaker 5: I'll give them a seat at the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the only political prisoners in America have been
Speaker 3: Trump supporters. Former Trump trade advisor Pete Navarro has been jailed,
Speaker 3: so is former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, and he just
Speaker 3: got out yesterday, just in time to energize his base
Speaker 3: in the week before polling day.
Speaker 6: And Nancy Pelosi thought a federal prison was going to
Speaker 6: break me, well, it empowered me.
Speaker 3: The Democrats also bought, brought civil and criminal cases against
Speaker 3: Trump to try and stop him from becoming president.
Speaker 2: They wanted him in.
Speaker 3: The jail house, not the White House. Even Biden has
Speaker 3: said Trump should be locked up. Yet another home truth
Speaker 3: that slipped out.
Speaker 1: I said this five years ago. You'd like me up,
Speaker 1: We're gonna like him up.
Speaker 3: The Democrats accused Trump of subverting democracy, but isn't trying
Speaker 3: to throw a candidate in jail precisely the same thing.
Speaker 3: As president For four years, Trump didn't imprison his appointments.
Speaker 3: Boris Johnson's view, and I spoke to him a bit earlier.
Speaker 3: He said that this is all very deliberate.
Speaker 4: My impression of them is that they were essentially trying
Speaker 4: to deprive the people of the opportunity of voting on
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And it was a kind of lawfare designed
Speaker 4: to take out a candidate.
Speaker 3: That interview coming up on the show, and Boris Johnson
Speaker 3: also shares his view on how Trump would handle the
Speaker 3: dictators who are collaborating and conspiring to weaken the West.
Speaker 3: We're not living in a time of peace. Israel fighting
Speaker 3: for its survival. Social cohesion in Western societies is breaking down.
Speaker 3: Russia still on the attack against Ukraine and China preparing
Speaker 3: for war. Inflation meanwhile, remains a global problem. But with
Speaker 3: so much at stake, the.
Speaker 2: Next leader of the free world matters.
Speaker 3: In fact, you could argue there's rarely been a time
Speaker 3: in history when leadership is of such critical importance. Our
Speaker 3: enemies are emboldened and we need strength to stop their advance. Okay,
Speaker 3: My major interview with Boris Johnson coming up a bit
Speaker 3: later in the show after the break. He speaks about
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, his final conversation with the Queen just two
Speaker 3: days before she passes away. He tells me what she says,
Speaker 3: why Emmanuel Macron doesn't like his dog, exactly how many
Speaker 3: children he has, and he also condemns the waive of
Speaker 3: anti Semitism sweeping the globe.
Speaker 2: That's coming up But now let's.
Speaker 3: Bring in National Senator Matt Canavan and Sky News host
Speaker 3: Steve Price.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
Speaker 3: Steve, do you think those Biden comments basically calling half
Speaker 3: of American's garbage could move votes in Trump's direction?
Speaker 7: You'd have to think if anyone was undecided, that would
Speaker 7: I mean, it was the Hillary Clinton moment, wasn't it.
Speaker 7: And you can imagine being in the back office of
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris's campaign and they've got the television on in
Speaker 7: the corner and they see Joe Biden come out with
Speaker 7: that stuff and called Trump supporters garbage.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just no.
Speaker 7: Wonder she's hidden him away and didn't want him on
Speaker 7: the campaign trail at all. And Donald Trump, to his credit,
Speaker 7: he goes and hires a garbage truck some made of his,
Speaker 7: puts a sticker on it saying Donald Trump's garbo truck.
Speaker 7: He puts on a high vi his vest, and he's
Speaker 7: just a genius at doing those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there does seem to be more reporting of
Speaker 3: frosty relations between the Harris campaign and the Biden team.
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, you follow us politics very closely. I want
Speaker 3: to get your sense of how this election is headed,
Speaker 3: and whether you think those comments from Biden could make
Speaker 3: much of a difference in these final days, Well, I think.
Speaker 8: Trump was already ahead. That's definitely what the prediction markets,
Speaker 8: the betting markets think. He's never polled anywhere like where
Speaker 8: he is at the moment. He's leading in most swing
Speaker 8: states on the pole of polls if you like, He's
Speaker 8: never been there. Even when he won in sixteen, he
Speaker 8: was behind by quite a distance to Hillary Clinton. So
Speaker 8: you would think everything is going his way. And as
Speaker 8: Steve said, this is just unbelievably poor timing for the
Speaker 8: Harris campaign. Not only the remarks themselves will have an
Speaker 8: impact and help Trump get his base out, get his
Speaker 8: vote out, they also happened at the same time that
Speaker 8: Kamala Harris was doing her perhaps largest speech to go
Speaker 8: for the campaign and the Washington lips there, and it
Speaker 8: was a big set piece, and that's been all swamped
Speaker 8: by both Biden's comments and then Trump's remarkable ability to
Speaker 8: capture the news cycle. I did just want to point out, though, Sharhi,
Speaker 8: that you know, I'm a little miffed he has ripped
Speaker 8: off my stick of wearing high vis I think this
Speaker 8: election tactic.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy for him, happy.
Speaker 2: Sure about that.
Speaker 3: I feel like every second politician is wearing high viz
Speaker 3: Matt Canavanjelsic start, Matt, I just want to do a
Speaker 3: quick follow up question with you. I mean, I've interviewed
Speaker 3: Steve Bannon a couple of times before, I've been on
Speaker 3: his show many more times, so of you, He's just
Speaker 3: got out of prison less than a week.
Speaker 2: Before polding Day.
Speaker 3: What do you think the impact is going to be
Speaker 3: now of you know, this high profile figure literally jailed
Speaker 3: for contempt for not, you know, betraying Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But how do you think this is going to play out?
Speaker 8: Look, it's probably not going to have a big impact
Speaker 8: on the overall race because most Americans, I'm sure, are
Speaker 8: pretty busy with their own lives to know who is
Speaker 8: or follow closely Steve Bannon. It probably has a little
Speaker 8: bit of impact on the margins. He's got a very
Speaker 8: big following among the base, so to speak. Now all
Speaker 8: of his viewers probably already of course voting for Trump,
Speaker 8: but he's released will perhaps motivate them to get more
Speaker 8: of their friends and colleagues to the polls, who are
Speaker 8: probably more likely to vote Republicans.
Speaker 2: So it probably helps a little bit.
Speaker 8: And look, it also of course undermines the rhetoric from
Speaker 8: the Democrats that somehow Donald Trump represents a unique risk
Speaker 8: to democratic norms. I think they call them democratic norms
Speaker 8: in America when the only people that have been really
Speaker 8: locked up for their political views or activities in recent
Speaker 8: years have been done so by democratic administrations. I think
Speaker 8: it was a travesty of justice that Steve Bannon was
Speaker 8: jailed by what was a kangaroo court of a congressional
Speaker 8: commit He had no representatives from the Senate leader, sorry,
Speaker 8: the House leadership of the Republicans, and they charged him
Speaker 8: with a contempt and put him away for four months
Speaker 8: just during the campaign too.
Speaker 2: Agree, Agree?
Speaker 3: Extraordinary who was locked up for four months? All right,
Speaker 3: let's look at the Quantus Albanizi upgrade scandal. Now he's
Speaker 3: been in hiding for the second day in a row.
Speaker 3: I reported last night that the former Group Executive for
Speaker 3: Government and International Affairs at Quantas, Andrew Parker, often handled
Speaker 3: Albanesi's flight upgrades. I also told you last night about
Speaker 3: their close personal relationship, where Albanezi attended Andrew Parker's housewarming party.
Speaker 3: I said there was even a plaque to that effect. Well,
Speaker 3: let's have a look at that.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: I can show you that tonight. There you go.
Speaker 3: The address was at the top of it. We've blurnt
Speaker 3: it out, blurted out for privacy reasons.
Speaker 2: That says there.
Speaker 3: And if we can show you the close up again,
Speaker 3: officially opened by Anthony Alberanzi, and it says also Gladys
Speaker 3: Very Jicklian. It has Verry Jicklian's name there too, But
Speaker 3: I understand them A new Sofales premier has been friends
Speaker 3: with Andrew Parker since even their teenage years.
Speaker 2: A long time.
Speaker 3: But when Albanzi was opposition leader, bizarrely opening the private
Speaker 3: home of the man who was the government relations advisor
Speaker 3: for Quantas who then went on to become their group
Speaker 3: executive for sustainability, Sam made and today has backed up
Speaker 3: my reporting. She's quoted a Quantus insider saying that alban
Speaker 3: Ezi's denials were bs and that Andrew Parker used to
Speaker 3: get calls from labor staffers about upgrades. Of course, we're
Speaker 3: not suggesting Andrew Parker has done anything wrong.
Speaker 2: He hasn't. This is all in alban easy. I'm also
Speaker 2: you're just going to quickly bring you before I go
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: Steve Price, a Quantus insider familiar with these matters, has
Speaker 3: said to me about Alban Easy, he's digging a grave
Speaker 3: on this.
Speaker 2: He's digging a grave on this.
Speaker 3: So, Steve Price, alber Ezi issuing blanket denials to select
Speaker 3: media outlets.
Speaker 2: No public conferences. Where do you think this goes? Now?
Speaker 7: Well, it shouldn't have lasted six days. And if he
Speaker 7: lets it keep going, he's in real trouble. I mean
Speaker 7: a couple of simple things here. When he was Transport
Speaker 7: minister under rud Gillard, and then in opposition and Opposition leader,
Speaker 7: and then he ended up as Prime minister. If you're
Speaker 7: sitting in a airport and you bought yourself an economy
Speaker 7: ticket and you're traveling with your family, and you get
Speaker 7: to the airport and you get to the check in gate,
Speaker 7: or you get to the lounge and someone says, can
Speaker 7: mister Albin Easy come to the front counterplease, and you're upgraded?
Speaker 7: Don't you think to yourself? And I'd be interested in
Speaker 7: what Matt thinks of this. I'm the Transport minister. Should
Speaker 7: I really be taking this? Given the position I hold
Speaker 7: and the influence I could have on aviation policy in
Speaker 7: the country.
Speaker 1: That's simple.
Speaker 7: The other simple point I would make, and I've been
Speaker 7: upgraded by contus in the past. Most recently I've had
Speaker 7: to use frequent flyerpoints, but maybe twenty years ago I
Speaker 7: would have had a couple of upgraded flights unprompted.
Speaker 1: You remember them.
Speaker 7: I mean I remember a flight where I was upgraded
Speaker 7: on the way to Ireland because I was covering the
Speaker 7: capture of drug baron Robert Trimboli and I got plumped
Speaker 7: in first class by Quantas. The reason I remember it
Speaker 7: the bloke sitting next to me was Angus Young from
Speaker 7: ac DC.
Speaker 1: I thought all my Christmas had come at once.
Speaker 7: I'll never forget that flight for the rest of my life.
Speaker 7: So you can't just go, oh, well, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It's probably the only time you've ever been upgraded to
Speaker 3: first class, so of course you'd remember it. But if
Speaker 3: it's twenty two upgrades or more like Albo's had, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe it's not so special. Matt Canavan, there's now leagues
Speaker 3: against your colleague, Bridget Mackenzie. This is perhaps to try
Speaker 3: and stop a Senate inquiry from happening, because it would
Speaker 3: open up once again. You know the possibility that Alan
Speaker 3: Joyce would be.
Speaker 1: Recalled, well, no doubt.
Speaker 8: I mean the issue here is that the problems hasn't
Speaker 8: been able to answer simple questions about his own actions,
Speaker 8: so he straight away went to singing Martin others, including
Speaker 8: the author of his book. He incorrectly said he hadn't
Speaker 8: disclosed matters. Now they're going after, of course, coalition colleagues.
Speaker 8: There's no allegation here against my colleague though that Senam
Speaker 8: McKenzie in any way solicited gifts in a way that
Speaker 8: Anthony Albenizi did as Minister for Transport.
Speaker 1: That is the key issue here.
Speaker 8: And he still hasn't given a definitive answer about whether
Speaker 8: he or any of his staff ever had contact with
Speaker 8: Quantas about that, these denials are not really believable.
Speaker 3: All right, Matt Canavan, Steve Price, thank you both very much. Now,
Speaker 3: my big interview with Boris Johnson coming up after the break.
Speaker 3: But now let's cross to one of the key battleground
Speaker 3: states in the United States, Pennsylvania, with our Washington correspondent,
Speaker 3: Analise Nielsen.
Speaker 2: I spoke with her a little earlier. Annalise, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your time.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has just announced he's suing over voter suppression.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us more about this.
Speaker 9: Suing?
Speaker 10: And one the judges just made the ruling a short
Speaker 10: time ago. Essentially, the issue they were talking was voters
Speaker 10: who were in line in Bucks County.
Speaker 9: For early voting.
Speaker 10: So how it happens here in Pennsylvania, And remember in America,
Speaker 10: it's different in every state the rules around voting, and
Speaker 10: each county local level gets to set how those rules
Speaker 10: are administered. So in Bucks County they found that they
Speaker 10: had enormous numbers of people lining up to cast.
Speaker 9: Their early ballots.
Speaker 10: How it happens here is you line up, you get
Speaker 10: your mail ballot, the same one that would be mailed.
Speaker 2: Out to you.
Speaker 10: But many Pennsylvanians have been saying they haven't been receiving
Speaker 10: their mail in ballots, they've been getting lost in the mail.
Speaker 10: So they go line up, get handed a ballot, they
Speaker 10: can fill it in on the spot, hand it back
Speaker 10: to them, and their ballots cast early.
Speaker 9: So what happened was they had so many people.
Speaker 10: On line, the local officials early in the afternoon said
Speaker 10: that's it, you're done, go home. And people in line
Speaker 10: had the right to be there until five PM and
Speaker 10: anyone in line at five pm, no matter how far
Speaker 10: away it was, even if it took hours to get
Speaker 10: them through, if you're in line by five pm, you
Speaker 10: should have the right to vote. And so this is
Speaker 10: what the Trump campaign sued over and one a judger said, yes,
Speaker 10: these voters were disenfranchised when we kicked them out of line.
Speaker 9: So now they have additional.
Speaker 10: Days throughout the week to go do this early voting
Speaker 10: ahead of voting next week on Tuesday in person, which
Speaker 10: is the last chance for people to vote here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: We've seen Joe Biden's garbage comment where he basically called
Speaker 3: half of America, all of the Trump supporters garbage. Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris now trying to distance herself from this.
Speaker 2: Will this hurt her campaign?
Speaker 3: Do you think in a similar way to Hillary Clinton's
Speaker 3: basket of deplorable comment really damaged hers.
Speaker 10: Well, Look, one of the things that we're looking at
Speaker 10: here is the fact it's happened late in the game.
Speaker 10: We're only six days out from the presidential election here,
Speaker 10: so many Americans have already cast their ballots. About a
Speaker 10: third the last time I looked of people who are
Speaker 10: likely to vote have cast their ballot. But the issue
Speaker 10: is they have been putting forward this idea that they
Speaker 10: are the party that's going to bring people together and
Speaker 10: it's Donald Trump who's divisive. So when you have Kamala
Speaker 10: Harris in this iconic rally outside the White House trying
Speaker 10: to draw the comparison to January sixth, at the same time,
Speaker 10: you have Joe Biden inside just calling Donald Trump's supporters
Speaker 10: garbage and then trying to walk it back through the
Speaker 10: press office. People pick up on that, and we've heard
Speaker 10: from that, We've heard that from people on the ground
Speaker 10: here in Pennsylvania today. This is one of the critical
Speaker 10: battleground states for both campaigns to try to win the
Speaker 10: electoral College vote. So yes, it will absolutely cut through.
Speaker 10: And what the real issue is that I think hasn't
Speaker 10: been emphasized enough in all this is the fact that
Speaker 10: this is the problem the Harris campaign has had from
Speaker 10: the get go, where they're trying to separate themselves from Biden.
Speaker 9: He's been leaving days open.
Speaker 10: According to Axios, and they've been leaving him hanging because
Speaker 10: they don't want him on the campaign trail with him,
Speaker 10: he's seen as the live ability and he's left to
Speaker 10: his own devices like this, and it does cause these
Speaker 10: issues fractures because people realize that she's been working with
Speaker 10: him for four years and they realize that he's got
Speaker 10: issues with his cognitive abilities.
Speaker 9: At the moment, his memory.
Speaker 10: And it is that just absolute juxtaposition that we're seeing
Speaker 10: we have this new start and at the same time
Speaker 10: we've got Joe Biden still in this position doing these
Speaker 10: things when people know there's a problem.
Speaker 3: Annalie's you know, we're just days out, as you said,
Speaker 3: six days to go. Can you take us through where
Speaker 3: the poles are at the moment, especially in those seven
Speaker 3: battleground swing states.
Speaker 9: Look, this is one of the really fascinating things with
Speaker 9: the poles.
Speaker 10: At the moment, they're just neck and neck. We're just
Speaker 10: seeing fifty to fifty splits. We're seeing poles will come
Speaker 10: out with a few points here and there.
Speaker 9: For either campaign.
Speaker 10: It looks like Donald Trump's pulling ahead, but we're still
Speaker 10: within the margin of error.
Speaker 9: And I can tell you from having been on the.
Speaker 10: Ground for the last five weeks almost talking to people
Speaker 10: in battleground states, the polls are exactly what we're seeing
Speaker 10: on the ground. People aren't enthusiastic either way. People are
Speaker 10: feeling very downtrodden about the whole thing, and I think
Speaker 10: that's really interesting when we compare it to twenty twenty,
Speaker 10: when there was so much friction, people were feeling passionate.
Speaker 10: We've had anecdotes from across the country of people not
Speaker 10: having as many signs stolen out of their yards, of
Speaker 10: bartenders telling us they don't have to break up as
Speaker 10: many political fights as they used to because people aren't
Speaker 10: feeling overwhelmed about either candidate. But what we also compare
Speaker 10: that to is the early voting. We are breaking records
Speaker 10: across the country. Georgia alone is such a huge indicator,
Speaker 10: and what we saw in Pennsylvania as well is the
Speaker 10: number of people who've been voting early.
Speaker 9: It's drastically.
Speaker 10: There's a drastic uptick for Republicans, and that is a
Speaker 10: huge change from twenty twenty, when they were told stay home,
Speaker 10: don't go to the polls early, do it one day
Speaker 10: in person, otherwise you can't trust it. Now they're being told,
Speaker 10: do whatever it takes to get your voting early.
Speaker 9: We'll have the other later. And it looks like it's
Speaker 9: working for the Republicans all right.
Speaker 3: Analys Nielsen really appreciate your time joining us from the
Speaker 3: ground in Pennsylvania. Coming up after the break, Boris Johnson's
Speaker 3: take on Donald Trump, his final conversation with the Queen,
Speaker 3: why Emmanuel mccron hates his dog, and the reason he
Speaker 3: felt it was his duty to have so many children.
Speaker 3: That's right after this quick break, welcome back. Well, he's
Speaker 3: one of the most colorful and controversial public figures of
Speaker 3: our time. Brilliant intellectual, Oxford educated and orator, but he's
Speaker 3: also wildly funny and entertaining. Former British PM Boris Johnson
Speaker 3: rose to fame globally backing Brexit, but his time in
Speaker 3: office was often controversial. He'll open up about all of
Speaker 3: this when he visits Sydney and Melbourne in December, and
Speaker 3: I spoke with him ahead of his Australian tour a
Speaker 3: little earlier today.
Speaker 2: Boris Johnson, so great to see you. Thank you for
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 3: Look, it's less than a week to go until the
Speaker 3: US election. Donald Trump famously asked to raise a may
Speaker 3: in front of the cameras. Why you weren't Prime Minister
Speaker 3: at the time. Would you like to see Donald Trump
Speaker 3: return to the presidency.
Speaker 4: Well listening, it's very very sweet of you to have
Speaker 4: me on your show, and it's why we'll be here.
Speaker 4: But as I explained in my book Unleashed, which I
Speaker 4: will be relentlessly plugging when I get over to Australia
Speaker 4: in the early part of December, the job of the
Speaker 4: UK Prime Minister is to be friendly with whoever is
Speaker 4: the president of the United States. But you will also
Speaker 4: discover in Unleashed some paradoxical and interesting things about what
Speaker 4: Donald Trump was like to work with. And it kind
Speaker 4: of goes against a lot of the negative stuff that
Speaker 4: you sometimes hear about Donald Trump, because my experiences of
Speaker 4: him as Foreign Secretary, when I was Foreign Secretary and
Speaker 4: then when I was Prime Minister was actually he did
Speaker 4: some stuff that was bold and decisive and that really
Speaker 4: made the world feel safer. And a couple of things
Speaker 4: i'll cite and there they're all in the in the book,
Speaker 4: But the way he punished Basha rah Sad for using
Speaker 4: chemical weapons against his own people, the way he was
Speaker 4: really tough with Iran with customs. Solimani, the head of
Speaker 4: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, coulds fortunate he more is vaporized.
Speaker 4: The guy there was only his signet ring left. And
Speaker 4: then you know, people talk a lot about about Donald
Speaker 4: Trump and is he going to be soft on Putin?
Speaker 4: Has he got this kind of strange thing that's going
Speaker 4: on in the Republican Party where they kind of have
Speaker 4: a fanboy you know thing about Putin which I personally
Speaker 4: don't share at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 4: And you look at what Trump actually did on the
Speaker 4: Russian file when he was president from twenty sixteen to
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. You know that two things I would single
Speaker 4: out that were incredibly important. He decided after we had
Speaker 4: the terrible poisonings in Salisbury, Trump massively surprised on the
Speaker 4: upside and the United States expelled sixty Russian diplomats, which
Speaker 4: was the biggest expulsion since the bigger than any I
Speaker 4: think that had happened even in the Cold War. And
Speaker 4: that was Donald Trump who did that kicked out put Inspired.
Speaker 4: And number two, you know a lot of people talk
Speaker 4: about Trump and Ukraine, is you're going to be solid,
Speaker 4: what's going to happen? I just remind you what he
Speaker 4: actually did when he was president. Unlike and it's all
Speaker 4: in unleashed. You will read it and I'll be talking
Speaker 4: about it on Boris Unleashed dot com.
Speaker 1: When I get to Australia.
Speaker 4: What he actually did was to give the Ukrainians lethal weaponry,
Speaker 4: which the Democrats had not done when they were in office.
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump actually gave the Ukrainians the shoulder launched
Speaker 4: javelin anti tank weapons, which was so important in that
Speaker 4: battle for kievn in the spring of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: So all I can say, you know, people, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's not the job of UK prime ministers to get
Speaker 4: involved in or UK politicians to get involved in American
Speaker 4: elections any more than we would get involved in Australian elections.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just we're great, you know, friendly democracies. It's not
Speaker 4: how we do things. But I would just say, you know,
Speaker 4: chapter and verse in here, there's some pretty surprising and
Speaker 4: paradoxical things about you know, what people say about Trump
Speaker 4: and what he actually did when when he was in office,
Speaker 4: and I'm content and I'm optimistic to judge him on.
Speaker 1: The basis of what he did. That doesn't mean that,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a very high.
Speaker 4: Regard for Joe Biden as well a good relationship with
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris and Biden's been very strong on Ukraine in particular.
Speaker 1: But you know, look at the.
Speaker 3: Record, Boris, do you think there's been an unfair campaign
Speaker 3: to try put Donald Trump in jail so that he
Speaker 3: can't be president again?
Speaker 1: I think it was a Look, I mean, you know, the.
Speaker 4: Various legal cases have wound their weary way before the courts,
Speaker 4: and my impression of them is that they were essentially
Speaker 4: trying to deprive the people of the opportunity of voting
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump. And it was a kind of lawfair
Speaker 4: designed to take out a candidate. And now you know, again,
Speaker 4: you know, shoot me if you think this is this
Speaker 4: is too too optimism, But it was they were trying
Speaker 4: to take out a candidate that a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't like, think is has you know, they don't like
Speaker 4: his style, don't like the things he does, and think
Speaker 4: the things he says, and like I kind of I
Speaker 4: kind of get all that, but I think it backfired.
Speaker 4: And you know whatever, I disagreed very much with what
Speaker 4: happened on January the sixth.
Speaker 1: That was absolutely terrible.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, look at what is happening now,
Speaker 4: and as.
Speaker 1: We talk, we're early days.
Speaker 4: Away from an election in the United States where Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is out competing for every vote that he can get.
Speaker 4: He's trying to win another term in office, as is
Speaker 4: Kamela Harris trying to win the presidency. And they're both
Speaker 4: trying by purely democratic means to secure popular support.
Speaker 1: And here's the incredible thing. We don't know.
Speaker 4: Neither of us knows. I nobody knows, not even I'm
Speaker 4: here in New York. But nobody knows who is going
Speaker 4: to win that election. That that is a fantastic thing.
Speaker 4: Because there are countries, big and important countries in this world.
Speaker 4: Powerful country is where that is not true, where the
Speaker 4: outcome of so called democratic elections are well known in
Speaker 4: advanced Look at Russia, look at China.
Speaker 3: You were with the Queen two days before she sadly
Speaker 3: passed away. You saw the Queen for an hour most weeks.
Speaker 3: You talk in the book about pouring your heart out.
Speaker 3: You describe it as free psychotherapy. What was the best
Speaker 3: advice she ever gave you?
Speaker 4: The convention is, of course, you can't really talk about.
Speaker 1: A lot of the conversations you have with the Queen.
Speaker 4: You can't certainly can't talk about any political conversations.
Speaker 1: That you have with her.
Speaker 4: But I think without breaking my privy cancel if I can, well,
Speaker 4: I can say what she said in her last conversation
Speaker 4: with me, which was two days before she died, and
Speaker 4: she was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 1: She maintained her total grip on world affairs. And you know,
Speaker 1: she'd seen every.
Speaker 4: US Prime minister since Eisenhower, she'd sorry US president since Eisenhower.
Speaker 4: She'd she met every French president from charld de girl
Speaker 4: to to Macron, every Chinese Zena since since mal and
Speaker 4: she knew everything.
Speaker 1: What did she say?
Speaker 4: She said, she said, a great thing in life is
Speaker 4: is not to be is not to be bitter. Because
Speaker 4: she in the last conversation, I was sort of saying, well,
Speaker 4: you know, because you know, one of the reasons I'm
Speaker 4: giving this interview to you now is I was untimely
Speaker 4: removed from my job. And you know, one of the
Speaker 4: points I'm making unleash is a great, great shame, because
Speaker 4: I think we would have won the won the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four election if that hadn't happened. But you know,
Speaker 4: she was saying to me, well, you know, it's very
Speaker 4: important in life not to be bitter, and she was
Speaker 4: saying that it was good that I didn't seem to
Speaker 4: be at all bitter, and I wasn't and I'm not.
Speaker 4: So she said, don't be bitter point number one good
Speaker 4: advice to all politicians. Don't be better, don't be actuated
Speaker 4: by by bitterness. But she also said something quite interesting.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether do you have a phobia of
Speaker 4: magpies in Australia? Does anybody have a phobia? Do you
Speaker 4: have a phobia of magpies?
Speaker 3: I've seen magpie season in September and they do swoop
Speaker 3: and you see cyclists, particularly in the National Capital camera
Speaker 3: cycling round with you know, buckets and funny things on
Speaker 3: their head to avoid the swooping magpies.
Speaker 4: Yes, really, Okay, Well, so there's a say in England
Speaker 4: one for sorry, too for joy, three for a girl,
Speaker 4: four for a boy. Right, so if you see a
Speaker 4: single magpie, it's bad luck. And I there lots of
Speaker 4: people who I know who have this phobia of single magpies.
Speaker 4: And I mentioned this to her Majesty, her Late Majesty,
Speaker 4: the Queen, and she said she had exactly the same thing,
Speaker 4: but she had.
Speaker 1: A cure for it, She had a spell, she had
Speaker 1: a way.
Speaker 4: Of dealing with it, and it was when she saw
Speaker 4: a solitary magpie, she would say, good morning, mister magpie.
Speaker 4: Today is the thirtieth of October twenty twenty four or
Speaker 4: whatever it is today.
Speaker 1: I think it is twenty hundred four.
Speaker 4: And that does it, and then your single magpie problem
Speaker 4: is gone.
Speaker 3: The magpie conversation came up in your final ever conversation
Speaker 3: with the Queen two days before she passed away. Boris Johnson,
Speaker 3: you are quite hilarious. I understand that the Royal family
Speaker 3: tried to get you personally to persuade Prince Harry to
Speaker 3: stay in the UK and not move to the United States.
Speaker 2: They asked you to give him a manly pep talk.
Speaker 2: How did that go down?
Speaker 4: I honestly can't remember the genesis of this idea, and
Speaker 4: I think it may have been my own sheer pomposity
Speaker 4: that made me think that I could persuade because I
Speaker 4: like Harry and I like Meghan too, And when I
Speaker 4: was Foreign Secretary, I did a great event with them
Speaker 4: about educating young women and girls around around the world,
Speaker 4: because there's a catastrophe of the disparity between male and
Speaker 4: female education in some countries is appalling and could fix
Speaker 4: so many problems in the world if you could fix
Speaker 4: that anyway.
Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan came and they were they were.
Speaker 4: Brilliant, and I tried to persuade him not to go
Speaker 4: to California and it was pathetic. I wouldn't. I failed
Speaker 4: to avert Mexit. I took it, but I did deliver
Speaker 4: Brexit and I'm I'm very proud of that. And if
Speaker 4: you want to discover why Brexit worked, and I know
Speaker 4: it's still controversial lots of people yet.
Speaker 1: If you want to discover why.
Speaker 4: Brexit work, rely Unleashed and and please come to some
Speaker 4: of the Boris Unleashed dot com events that are that
Speaker 4: are taking place in Australia in early in early early December.
Speaker 3: Okay, don't go anywhere. The rest of my interview with
Speaker 3: Boris Johnson is up next.
Speaker 2: After the break.
Speaker 3: He's going to speak about keeping orcus A sacred from
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Macron, the waiver of anti Semitism, swaping the globe,
Speaker 3: and what regrets about the COVID lockdowns. As you can see,
Speaker 3: he's quite indiscreet. Also, he talks about why he has.
Speaker 2: So many children. Don't miss it. Just a quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna return to Albaneze's Quantus scandal a bit later.
Speaker 3: But now here's Boris Johnson speaking about why he has
Speaker 3: so many children, his regrets about the pandemic and anti Semitism.
Speaker 3: I want to cover a few areas, so I just
Speaker 3: want to take you to the setting up of ORCUS,
Speaker 3: very important initiative that's to your credit and to Scott
Speaker 3: Morrison's Before your meeting with Joe Biden to get him
Speaker 3: over the line on ORCUS, you and Scott Morrison made
Speaker 3: the decision not to tell Emmanuel mccron about it.
Speaker 2: You didn't trust him.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't quite like that.
Speaker 4: The trouble was, if you remember, everybody I hope in
Speaker 4: Australia knows this the background of this. This is a
Speaker 4: very important initiative because from my point of view, it
Speaker 4: was a way that the UK and the United States
Speaker 4: could support Australia and to build a coalition of freedom
Speaker 4: loving democracies that share our values and trust each other.
Speaker 4: So implicitly and so intimately. They were willing to share
Speaker 4: very very secret details of nuclear technology and other technologies.
Speaker 1: And that's what Aucus is all about. It's all about
Speaker 1: the submarines.
Speaker 4: And so the problem was as everybody knows that the
Speaker 4: deal had been done between Australia and the French for
Speaker 4: the French to supply some diesel submarines and these were
Speaker 4: frankly too noisy. They went, they went suitable for Australia's purposes,
Speaker 4: and they needed some vessels, some boats that were quieter,
Speaker 4: and they wanted nuclear propulsion. They came to us, and look,
Speaker 4: I mean, in order to give the technology to Australia,
Speaker 4: the UK clearly had to get the acquiescence of the
Speaker 4: United States, because the technology ultimately comes from from the US,
Speaker 4: and the US is very vigilant in guarding those secrets.
Speaker 4: And so before we could go ahead and do the
Speaker 4: Orcrest deal, and before we could before before Australia could
Speaker 4: let Emmanuel Macron down, we had to make sure that
Speaker 4: we had our ducks in a row. We had to
Speaker 4: make sure that the the Joe Biden, the President of
Speaker 4: the United States, was willing to share that technology not
Speaker 4: just with the UK, but also with Australia. So that
Speaker 4: you're quite right, that meant there was a period in
Speaker 4: which we were very worried that the deal would get
Speaker 4: out and Emmanuel would be furious, and a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of paint would come off, the plaster would
Speaker 4: come off the ceiling in the in the palace, and
Speaker 4: he would, you know, he would do de de la pousset,
Speaker 4: as we say in French.
Speaker 1: And and you know, and.
Speaker 4: So there was so as I say, I should have
Speaker 4: mentioned it, I say in this, in this this book unleashed.
Speaker 1: The there was a period.
Speaker 9: Well you were.
Speaker 3: Worried he try and kill off the deal before it
Speaker 3: was done, That's what you say in the book. And
Speaker 3: that he didn't like your dog either, Emmanuel macran.
Speaker 4: Well, I, well, I don't know he was he my
Speaker 4: dog unfortunately barked during a very during a very moment
Speaker 4: of of sort of Anglo French solemn.
Speaker 1: Ceremony.
Speaker 4: I offered a manual, my doctor hold but he he
Speaker 4: mysteriously declined the honor.
Speaker 1: Of holding Dylan. But look, I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to trivialize this.
Speaker 4: You know, the relationships between France and the UK, as
Speaker 4: with France and with the UK and Australia are incredibly strong.
Speaker 4: And actually there were many many things where Emmanuel and
Speaker 4: I agreed.
Speaker 1: But the problem with Orcus was it was really you.
Speaker 4: It was for Scott, It was for Australia to let
Speaker 4: a Manuel down.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my secret to share with him. As it were.
Speaker 4: It was something that Australia, you know, needed to sort out.
Speaker 4: But I couldn't see any other way of organizing it.
Speaker 4: So we had a slightly peculiar summit.
Speaker 3: Baris Johnson, you know you were widely loved, You had
Speaker 3: wide popular support in Britain after Brexit, but during the
Speaker 3: COVID pandemic you were widely criticized, not just for party Gate.
Speaker 3: If you had your time again, would you still have
Speaker 3: the full lockdowns, the bands on children going to school's
Speaker 3: even playground, and the vaccine mandates.
Speaker 4: It's such a brilliant question, and I guess everybody in
Speaker 4: Australia asks them.
Speaker 1: We all ask ourselves that now.
Speaker 4: But you know, and a lot of people now with hindsight,
Speaker 4: say your locked down was wrong.
Speaker 1: Not I go through a lot of the arguments.
Speaker 4: I try to look at the evidence in unleashed and
Speaker 4: to discuss it all. But you've really got to ask yourself,
Speaker 4: what would we do if we had another one and
Speaker 4: we will get another one, and what will we do
Speaker 4: if this time the most vulnerable people weren't people who
Speaker 4: were in their agies. But what if it was school kids,
Speaker 4: you know, what would we really do to try to
Speaker 4: stop transmission?
Speaker 1: And it is incredibly difficult.
Speaker 4: I think that it's very easy to say that lockdown
Speaker 4: was overdone and a mistake and that we should have
Speaker 4: done something else, But that is not how it felt
Speaker 4: at the time. But what I am particularly proud of,
Speaker 4: and really Brexit did help deliver this is that the
Speaker 4: UK had the fastest vaccine rollout of any European country,
Speaker 4: and that was at least partly largely because we had
Speaker 4: come out of the European Union's institutions and we licensed
Speaker 4: those vaccines ASTROZENEKA, FISO the rest of them four or
Speaker 4: five weeks maybe more before the twenty seven EU countries,
Speaker 4: and so that meant that by March twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: we were way, way, way out in front. And indeed,
Speaker 4: as you will discover in this book, it was the
Speaker 4: cause of considerable frustration on the part of our European friends.
Speaker 4: But there are many things I would do I would
Speaker 4: do differently, but I think that that vaccine roll out
Speaker 4: was certainly one of the things I'm proud to stop.
Speaker 4: And no doubt at all Brexit, for all its critics,
Speaker 4: Brexit helped deliberate Brexit. My friends saved lives and people
Speaker 4: may dispute that, but read this book and you'll see why.
Speaker 2: You went to Israel.
Speaker 3: After October seven with Scott Morrison in a solidarity visit
Speaker 3: in London. We saw tens of thousands of people take
Speaker 3: to the streets pro Palestinian marches that began before Israel's
Speaker 3: response had even started. There's been violence and aggression on
Speaker 3: the streets. Baris what's gone wrong here? Is this partly
Speaker 3: an immigration failure as some have suggested.
Speaker 4: No, Look, it's a terrible thing, which is that I
Speaker 4: was very proud to go with Scott to Israel to.
Speaker 1: See what had happened.
Speaker 4: And look, the trouble is that in all our societies,
Speaker 4: whether it's Australia, whether it's the UK, whether it's the
Speaker 4: United States of America, there is a virus of anti Semitism,
Speaker 4: the spores of which lurk beneath the floorboards.
Speaker 1: And it comes out.
Speaker 4: And you know, as soon as remember what happened on
Speaker 4: October the seventh, twelve hundred people were massacre tortured an
Speaker 4: appalling innocent Jewish people. And what I find amazing now
Speaker 4: is that people can't focus on the reality that Israel
Speaker 4: is legitimately trying to prevent that type of massacre from
Speaker 4: happening again.
Speaker 1: And the people that.
Speaker 4: Did it, whether her mass or other, they they want
Speaker 4: to eradicate Israel entirely, and not just Israel, but every
Speaker 4: Jewish person in the world. And frankly, any democratic leader
Speaker 4: is entitled to try to protect his or her country
Speaker 4: from that that sort of madness. And so yeah, look,
Speaker 4: I'm firmly with Israel in their in their right to
Speaker 4: self protection. And you know, I wish everybody had had
Speaker 4: a bit more moral clarity about this, and I.
Speaker 1: Agree with you completely.
Speaker 4: It was weird to see demonstrations the day after that
Speaker 4: massacre effectively in favor.
Speaker 1: Of her act.
Speaker 3: It's been absolutely terrible the world over, including in Australia,
Speaker 3: as you'll see when you get here.
Speaker 2: In a couple of months time.
Speaker 3: But Boris Johnson, we've covered a lot of ground, was
Speaker 3: foreign policy politics.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a.
Speaker 3: Final personal question, though, there is a great mystery about you,
Speaker 3: something so simple.
Speaker 2: How many children do you have.
Speaker 1: Till? It's eight? Eight? So far?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so far, So there still might be others on
Speaker 3: the horizon.
Speaker 4: I didn't say that it's just eight eight eight, which
Speaker 4: you know. What I would say about that is I've
Speaker 4: been wrapped up. My handles are telling my going to
Speaker 4: shut up. But I'll tell you we do face a demograph,
Speaker 4: a demographic deficit in in the UK and many other
Speaker 4: western countries as well. So I feel that, in spite
Speaker 4: of the carbon footprint that I'm undoubtedly generating, I think
Speaker 4: it's a it's a perfectly defensible thing to do.
Speaker 2: Boris Johnson, thank you very much for your I'm great to.
Speaker 4: Speak with you, real pleasure, lovely to talk to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much and look forward to seeing you
Speaker 4: in a few weeks time.
Speaker 3: And as Boris Johnson just mentioned, he'll be in Australia shortly.
Speaker 3: If you want to see more of him, head to
Speaker 3: Boris Unleashed dot com. You can book tickets for his
Speaker 3: Sydney event on Friday the sixth of December and in
Speaker 3: Melbourne on Saturday the seventh of December. That's it, Boris
Speaker 3: Unleashed dot com.
Speaker 2: I like that line about a demographic deficit.
Speaker 3: All right, still to come pro Palestinian protesters no bounds,
Speaker 3: nearly ruining a packed out concert for a sold out show,
Speaker 3: not the time and place, plus it's all a bit
Speaker 3: deja vous, fatanya plebisec and we'll return to the Quantus.
Speaker 2: Scandal that with my panel next.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's bring you now News dot Com Deputy editor
Speaker 3: Liz Burke and The Australians Associate editor Graham. Lloyd, Liz Graham,
Speaker 3: great to see you both. Look, let's return to the
Speaker 3: biggest political story of the week, the Quantus scandal. The
Speaker 3: Prime Minister has been refusing all interview requests, no press
Speaker 3: conferences now.
Speaker 2: For two days.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to take questions because the last time
Speaker 3: he did he got into a muddle, saying he called
Speaker 3: some number for upgrades. Liz, your team has been covering
Speaker 3: this story in a major way.
Speaker 2: Are Australians angry.
Speaker 3: About the idea of their prime minister getting twenty two
Speaker 3: upgrades during a cost of living crisis?
Speaker 11: That's definitely what our readers are telling us.
Speaker 12: They're angry about the perks themselves, and they also seem
Speaker 12: to be quite angry about the messaging. It's really difficult
Speaker 12: to ascertain whether Albo is issuing denials or justifications, and
Speaker 12: I think part of that is that you know that
Speaker 12: lack of willingness to engage, particularly over the last couple
Speaker 12: of days. What we do know is that Australians are
Speaker 12: really engaged on this issue. One in two Ozzie's reads
Speaker 12: News dot com dot Au. So I think what our
Speaker 12: readers are engaging in it is a really good because
Speaker 12: you're a really good idea of what people are actually
Speaker 12: interested in. And since this story emerged, Sam Maidan's exclusives
Speaker 12: on these upgrades have been among the top stories every
Speaker 12: day all week. So that gives you a really good
Speaker 12: idea of just how engaged people are.
Speaker 11: So I found it astounding.
Speaker 12: Today when it was reported that Albo had been telling
Speaker 12: colleagues in private that, you know, he was dismissing this
Speaker 12: issue as a media concoction, that it was something that
Speaker 12: was going.
Speaker 11: To blow over.
Speaker 12: What our readers are telling us is that it's something
Speaker 12: that readers are absolutely engaged on and they're pretty angry about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the perception is starting to cement that he
Speaker 3: likes a freebee, that he likes the life of luxury,
Speaker 3: that he doesn't understand how tough Australians are doing it.
Speaker 3: But Graham, the bottom line is Albert Easy took upgrades
Speaker 3: worth tens of thousands of dollars from Quantus when he
Speaker 3: had oversight of the airline industry.
Speaker 2: It's a conflict of interest.
Speaker 13: It's completely fraught the whole issue, and it cuts through
Speaker 13: in a way that a few other issues do because look, honestly,
Speaker 13: everybody would like to sit up the front of the plane.
Speaker 13: And this is the problem for mister ALBINIZI is that
Speaker 13: he's indulged in this at a time when it presents
Speaker 13: a conflict of interest, which raises the question what was
Speaker 13: Quantus expecting from its policy to upgrade politicians, what oversight
Speaker 13: was there on that, and was there an ethical consideration
Speaker 13: at all?
Speaker 3: M all right, let's have a look at Melbourne now,
Speaker 3: because pro Palestinian protesters have tried to hijack a concert.
Speaker 3: You're going to have to forgive me. I don't know
Speaker 3: the name of this person radio Heads. I'm not a
Speaker 3: music person. Is it Tom York? Tom York?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's have a look what happened stage, I say
Speaker 2: what you want to say.
Speaker 1: Don't stand there, money, charl and everyone come there and
Speaker 1: say it. Everybody's name. Well, let's say a sidez Oh.
Speaker 3: I don't know Tom yok, but I like him a lot.
Speaker 3: Liz The truth is Australians are just so sick of this.
Speaker 3: People paid a lot of money to go see an
Speaker 3: artist they have to deal with something that they probably
Speaker 3: don't agree with being shoved in their face.
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, you're right. People paid a lot of money.
Speaker 12: I think the minimum prices of these tickets were about
Speaker 12: one hundred and twenty bucks to be within shouting distance
Speaker 12: of the artist, you know, like which you would assume
Speaker 12: that the person who was able to grab his attention
Speaker 12: would be this person who came to protests probably paid
Speaker 12: around two hundred dollars to do that and to ruin
Speaker 12: everyone else's night.
Speaker 11: I actually find it really.
Speaker 12: Sad that people come to events like this and try
Speaker 12: and get this kind of reaction and try to engage
Speaker 12: with this. I think anyone who engages with this conflict
Speaker 12: knows that, you know, you're just constantly bombarded with misery
Speaker 12: and with devastation. The people who are making these protests
Speaker 12: are often the same people who you know, claim to
Speaker 12: stand for peace. So I actually find it really sad
Speaker 12: that they, you know, also are then trying to deny
Speaker 12: people of ninety minutes that's how long the show went
Speaker 12: for of peace, and you know, to enjoy something beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, Graham. There's a time and a place.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't all have to agree. People have
Speaker 3: a right to protest, but stop ruining plays and concerts please.
Speaker 1: Try.
Speaker 14: And the thing about art shari is it supposed to
Speaker 14: transcend politics. It's supposed to be something that can allow
Speaker 14: people to retreat into themselves and inspect the world protesting
Speaker 14: and calling out it's just this is the work of Bulgarians.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Indeed, okay, very quickly before we go, Liz thirty seconds
Speaker 3: the Queensland Premier. New Queensland Premier David Chris Fully, he's
Speaker 3: now delivering on his adult crime for adult time. So
Speaker 3: this is where youths are given adult penalties. This has
Speaker 3: got to be very popular in Queensland.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's been massively popular.
Speaker 12: It was a big cornerstone of the obviously very successful
Speaker 12: Queensland election campaign. And so Christo fully now believes that
Speaker 12: he has a mandate to enforce these laws. He's fast
Speaker 12: tracking them to get them in in time for Christmas.
Speaker 12: It means that rather than you know, six weeks of
Speaker 12: being before parliamentary committees, they'll only be scrutinized for one week,
Speaker 12: and for something that probably every expert and interested party
Speaker 12: in Queensland has already weighed in on.
Speaker 11: That seems like the right thing to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Liz Burke, Graheme Lloyd. Great to see you
Speaker 3: both and that's all we've got time for tonight. I'll
Speaker 3: see you on Monday. It's going to be a big
Speaker 3: week of US election coverage.
Speaker 2: Don't miss it. Here's kayleb Bond