1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a number of things. Gambling vote, a 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: conscience vote for MPs on advertising gambling ads, and that's 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: the call by Rebecca Sharky, Independent MP for the Adelaide 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Hill seat of Mayo. Rebecca Sharky, good morning, good morning Matte. 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: You good to be with you now. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: You'd like this to be introduced on MPs. You've called 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: for this yesterday. Is it likely to happen? 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to do my darndess with Andrew Wilke 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: and I think you know, perhaps a lot of religious 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: leatus model also support this call. That's what we're hearing. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: And the reason being is that, as you know, there 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: was a report last year that said a government report 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: that said that only a total ban on gambling advertising 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: would be effective. Government is talking about a partial ban 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: and for many members of Parliament from the major parties. Course, 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: if you're on the cross bench, she crossed the floor 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: is as your community feels you should vote. But many 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: members on the major parties are concerned about these and 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: feel that this is not sitting well with their moral compass. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: We know that there's been in my time for conscience 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: VOTs in the Parliament. One of them was restoring territory rights, 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: which was which would potentially if the Northern Territory wanted 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: to remove the prohibition on euth in asia legislation in 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: their territory. But for many people, this is a matter 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: of faith, this is a matter of ethics, and I 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: think that it seems perfectly reasonable to allow parliamentarians to 27 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: have a free vote on any future legislation if it 28 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: is a partial band that's proposed. 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: Why would a political party have a particular view on 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: this in any case? I mean it is a matter 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: for an individual, isn't it. 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Could they agree more an individual? But also importantly, 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: we're all here to represent our communities and I think 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: that there are many communities who many people who have 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: reached out to their member of Parliament and have said, look, 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: you know, on a moral standpoint, on a religious standpoint, 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: this does not sit well for me and I want 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: I want you to hear my voice and vote on 39 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: my behalf. And there are many members of Parliament who 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: are who are Christian, who are Muslim, you know, right 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: across the faiths of Australia, who from my conversations with them, 42 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: would like to have the opportunity to exercise their conscience 43 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: and vote accordingly. As I said, when it's a moral dilemma, 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: and this is a moral dilemma that we generally have 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: that give that opportunity to members of parliament because if 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: you're in the Labor Party and you vote against the 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: party line, you you can be expelled, as as we've 48 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: seen with the recent issue with Fatima Payan. 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: It's more of a social issue. I mean, you're talking 50 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: about faith and all the rest, and I suppose religion 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: has a view on gambling, but common sense will tell 52 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: you that the effects of gambling and the fact that 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: here in South Australia we're losing just under a billion 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: dollars a year to gambling according to the later stats, 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: that's appalling. That's a huge loss. And more than faith, 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: it's an absolute social issue, it. 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely is, Matthew. It leads to people harming themselves, sadly, 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: many people taking their own lives. It leads to family breakdown, 59 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: domestic violence, you know, being homeless. I mean, is it 60 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: is normal? And we're not saying there needs to be 61 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: a provision on gambling. What we're saying, first of all, 62 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: is a conscience road. If the government isn't going to 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: have a blanket ban which many nations already have on 64 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: gambling advertising. And all that I've been calling for for 65 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: years is saying we actually need to treat this like 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: we did cigarette advertising. And it's legal product, sure, but 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: let's not normalize this for children. And if we still 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: have adverts during the day where children are sitting with 69 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: Mum and dad, maybe watching Master Chef or know anything else, 70 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: and still having that subliminal messaging, it's going to cause 71 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: great harm. And I understand that. You know the government's 72 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: argument is radio and television will lose revenue. We don't 73 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: need to let that happen. Why don't we put on 74 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: a two percent gambling levee? Just a two percent gambling 75 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: levee would raise the two hundred and forty million that 76 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: go that those companies spend on advertising. That would be 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: a very easy compensation and allow TV and radio to 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: find potentially other customers to sell their airtime too. So 79 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: it just makes good sense. I would like the government 80 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: to look at other nations, take the lead, or even 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: just look at their own report and follow us. Pretty simple. 82 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday talking with Connie Banarus about this and the 83 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Royal College of Psychiatrists on this issue, and my gut 84 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: feel is most people would be broadly supportive of such 85 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: a move. However, I did have people call in and say, well, 86 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: for instance, once Sue at my loss, so she'd be 87 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: a constituent, and she made the point that I don't gamble, 88 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: but I love watching the horse racing. I'm into horses. 89 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: I just love watching them. I've got that on and 90 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I enjoy just watching the racing. Concern that she might 91 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: lose that service if such a band was implemented, and 92 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: she was one of a number of people who texted 93 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: him for a range of different reasons including get the 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: government out of our lives. We've got the right to 95 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: choose whether whether we should see these ads or not, 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: and I think they're valid points. What do you say 97 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: to that. 98 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: First of all, let's go to the racing channel issue, 99 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: and there's always been recognition that should be a carve 100 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: out for the racing channel. If you are watching the 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: racing channel, you're effectively fine largely there to punt. It's 102 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: different if watching a commercial you know station, and you're 103 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: watching you know, the Melbourne Carson and that whole spring racing, 104 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: you know that's going to be a real issue. Sometimes 105 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: we need governments in Australia around the world to make 106 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: the moral decision on behalf of society. John Howard did 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: this with guns, we had parliamentariums in the seventies and eighties. 108 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: Do this with cigarette advertising, certainly, And you're in my lifetime, Matthew. 109 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember the Marvel Man. I'm 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: sure you know others would too, and that was recognizing 111 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: this is a legal product, but normalizing this and that 112 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: messaging to children so that when they grow up they 113 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: can also you know, by a packet of cigarettes we 114 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: recognize as a nation and globally, that was wrong. And 115 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: that's where I think we need to see this as 116 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: a public health issue as well. 117 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: All right before I. 118 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: And broadly, I might just say eighty percent of people 119 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: support a ban on gabling ads. Lots of people are 120 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: really sick of seeing them a million ads over a year. 121 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a lot, no doubt about it. While 122 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: I've got you a code of conduct for MPs to 123 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: be legalized, to have a commission to look at bad behavior, now, okay, fine, 124 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: go ahead with that. But it seems to me in 125 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: schools and even kindergartens a code of behavior exists. We 126 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: tell kids how we expect them to act, and on 127 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: the whole they do, and when they don't well the 128 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: principle the teacher steps in and there's not discipline like 129 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the old days, but nevertheless they are disciplined. It seems 130 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: in Parliament we need a commission and millions of dollars 131 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: to get this right to control the bad behavior of MPs. 132 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: Look, honestly, I mean I don't see a lot of 133 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: bad behavior. There has obviously over the years been bad 134 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: behavior reported. I don't have an issue with a code 135 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: of conduct. I think we should all be our best selves, 136 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: and I guess this is about implementing some consequences for 137 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: bad conduct, because, unlike in most workplaces, if you do 138 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: do bad things in the Parliament, unless you are found 139 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: guilty of you know, some some sort of criminal activity, 140 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: you keep your job. So I don't have an issue 141 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: with it. I think we should all just see our ourselves. 142 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: Is in most workplaces that there's that there's a code 143 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: of conduct, But I mean, yeah, it would be, you know, 144 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: a very rare thing, and I think broadly parliamentarian, I 145 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: think certainly it's a they've cleaned up their act between 146 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: now and say six years ago when Kathy McGown first 147 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: called for some sort of code of conduct. But but look, 148 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm with you, I'm with you with the cost thing. 149 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: I think that the idea of having a commissioner is 150 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: so that it doesn't become a political weapon. Yeah, that's 151 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: that's my thinking. Well, perhaps why they're doing it. 152 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Most workplaces with a of conduct don't need legislation to 153 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: enforce it either. 154 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: That's very very true. Look, coming as I said, it's 155 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: all it's all about being our best selves and calling 156 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: at each other if we're not. And perhaps that's more 157 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: of a private conversation rather than across the chamber. But 158 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: I'd like to think that it would would not need 159 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 2: to be used necessarily. 160 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: Would it stop and that's my hope. Yeah, indeed, would 161 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: it stop an MP calling another MP a racist in parliament? 162 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: Oh well, look that's a really good question. And I 163 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: think I think unfortunately that that was quite inflammatory. It's 164 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: just unnecessary. What's what are we there to do? It's 165 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: supposed to be a contest of ideas and if we 166 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: want to you know, take the heat out of you know, 167 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: the issues that we're seeing across the nation, then I 168 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: don't think that it's overly helpful to be calling anyone 169 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: that you know. It's very hard to robuts that sort 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: of call if someone calls you a racist. So I 171 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: think personally it was quite unhelpful and I hope that 172 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: we can we can move on from that and you know, 173 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: work together. Yeah, it's a novel idea. 174 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: Good on you, Rebecca, Thank you for your time, terrific. 175 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. 176 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Rebecca Sharky, who is the member for the seat of 177 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: Mayo based in the Adelaide Hills Independent MP