1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to L three sixty Rother League from every angle, 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: brought to you by Tel Fast. Joining me again the 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Great Gordon Tallis, Paul Crawley and David Riccio. A massive 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: show ahead. But first the Grand Final teams are in 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: thanks to the Tablet's have a look. The day is 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: getting closer and the two best teams have made the 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Grand Final. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: The Melbourne Storm. 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Ryan Pappenhausen at fullback, Harry Grant the captain of the 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: team in jersey number nine. You can see there, Cameron 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Munster and Jerome Hughes in the halves and the only 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: change is Lazarus var Lepu who comes in for the 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: suspended Nelson Assafa Solomono. 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Panthers. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: The Panthers are unchanged, Edward's at fullback and the big 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: one there, Nathan Cleary is carrying that shoulder injury as captain, 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: looking to go four Premierships in a row, their fifth 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Grand Final in a row. It is an incredible achievement 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: and it sets up to be I've said it all year, 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: but this sets up to be an absolute blockbuster. 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: The Gordy. It's hard to split the two but looking 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: forward to this one. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, like so many matchups, two big heavyweights going at it. 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: If you just read through those just listening to you, 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 3: Penrith have a slide edge I think in the back 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: row in the front row, especially with Melbourne los and 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: looser Nowson. But it's shaping up to be probably one 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: of the better Grand Finals. 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: I believe Nelson's the big out, isn't he. 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 5: Like you talk to people about this game and everyone 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 5: says who you're tipping. 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 2: Who you're tipping? 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 4: You really don't know that. 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 5: You might say the Panthers, but then you think no, 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 5: five seconds later, the storm Like there's such great teams, 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 5: such great spines. 37 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: The Panthers approven champions. This Melbourne side wants to prove 38 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: that they can go to the next step. 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 6: From the pain of losing. 40 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 7: Nelson is a cracking story, Guys. He's on an eighty 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 7: thousand dollars development the Elazarus. Varle Epu comes into this team. 42 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 7: He's only played seven first grade games former he's a 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 7: penal junior, so he's prized out of the Panthers nursery 44 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 7: and he gets his opportunity. 45 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 6: Seriously, that's a cracking story. 46 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 7: Eighty Grand seven games, this season into a Grand Final 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 7: and he's. 48 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Literally got big shoes to Phil Nelson has been a 49 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: good for him the last couple of months after a 50 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: slow start to the season. But yeah, it's a big 51 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: opportunity there for him, no doubt. Nathan Cleary has been 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: carrying his shot her injury all season, but the Panthers 53 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: champion is adamant. 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: He's good to go for the biggest game of the year. 55 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 8: It's amazing, feels so good. I'm actually like heah, I 56 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 8: feel good. I'm ready to go for this weekend and 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 8: I'm confident with all the work I've done to get 58 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 8: back on the field now and the last two teams 59 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 8: I verse both knew about it, like, I'm confident in it. 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 8: You know, I'll be there holding my gloves up. Sort 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 8: of had it early in the pre season and was 62 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 8: working on it throughout the year and obviously had those 63 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 8: Hammi dramas, so good work on it through that period 64 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 8: and was feeling good. Unfortunately that thing happened against the 65 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 8: storm last night versum. But then yea worked out at 66 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,279 Speaker 8: it again and it's yeah, that's feeling. 67 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: Confident in it. 68 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Nathan Cleary there saying that he's confident but did mention 69 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: that that thing happened against the Melbourne Storm last time 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: which caused the injury or caused him to be reinjured. 71 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: He's carried this injury into the season. We've known that 72 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: it's been well publicized. Was there anything in that crulse? 73 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 4: I don't know. 74 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 5: Look, it was an interesting choice of words from Nathan 75 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 5: there where you could say where the injury happened or 76 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 5: that thing happened. And what got me thinking about this 77 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 5: was last night. Michael chamis from the Sydney Morning Herald. 78 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 5: He's a close ally to Penrith. He gets good mail 79 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 5: there and he did say on Channel nine last night 80 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 5: that he knows that the Panthers privately had thoughts about 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 5: this tackle. Now, when this tackle initially happened, I remember 82 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 5: watching it and thinking to myself, and I'm not saying 83 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 5: it's an illegal maneuver, but when you watch this closely 84 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 5: with Josh King, where he locks his arm around the 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 5: other arm right and then he gets that knee up, 86 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 5: and I was I was having a chat to Jimmy 87 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: Graham out the back about this before, and it is 88 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 5: a wrestling move. It's not an illegal wrestling move in 89 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 5: rugby league. But it's specifically designed to control the head 90 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 5: and slow down to play the ball. And so when 91 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 5: Nathan goes down here and again it's not illegal, but 92 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 5: it's all designed and when he pushes off the ground 93 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 5: you can see in his eyes that's that's where the 94 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 5: injury happens. 95 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: There's not much force in that. There's not much force 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: every NRL tackle. 97 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: Just slow on the playboard. And Gordy, you say that. 98 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 5: I don't see it that often, mate, and I just 99 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 5: the only reason you notice it here is because that's 100 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 5: when Nathan got injured. 101 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: When noticing because we got slowed down and it's getting 102 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: played seven times, that doesn't look like a tackle to 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 3: me that he's intent to hurt Nathan eitherthan. 104 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: My point. My point here is for mine. 105 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: It shows how vulnerable Nathan can be when put in 106 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 5: the wrong situation. And it's not again you say, we're 107 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 5: not getting to that stage of the season where we 108 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 5: bring up the storm wrestling manrvers and try and make 109 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: it into something that's not. This is purely to show 110 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 5: that Nathan can be vulnerable. No one's going to question 111 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 5: his toughness and no one's going to question like on 112 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 5: the weekend he went out for seventy something minutes showed 113 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 5: no signs of that. But it's like Cooper Kronk said, 114 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 5: also in that tackle where he hurt himself on the weekend, 115 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 5: when he stretched that arm is when it caused the injury. 116 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: So that could happen in the seventieth minute, could happen 117 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: in the FU. 118 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: They're more concerned than what we are or what they're 119 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: leading on. 120 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 4: Well. 121 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 5: I heard Billy Slayer say the other day he's had 122 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 5: shoulder injuries, and you would have to be concerned because 123 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 5: it can happen and you don't know when it's going 124 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 5: to happen. Brian Seeney, the NRL physios, said it's a 125 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 5: ticking time bomb. It could happen at any stage. And 126 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: so because Nathan is so important to the Panthers and 127 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 5: if he goes out plays like he did last weekend, 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 5: they're going to be hard to beat. 129 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 6: There's a couple of factors here. 130 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 7: Brace Look, the Panthers as a footy club, they're not 131 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 7: renowned for. 132 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 6: Being agitators in the media. 133 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 7: They don't come out, they don't feed journo's lines to 134 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 7: be seen to be trying to manipulate something that might 135 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 7: happen during the week. But I do believe the choice 136 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 7: of words by Nathan were interesting. And again Nathan's not 137 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 7: an agitator at all. He plays the game and respectfully 138 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 7: treats the opposition. But he certainly said that thing happened 139 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 7: against the Melbourne Storm. As we know, it's easy to explain. 140 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: Put pressure on the referee because they winged about the 141 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: obstruction real too well after the game. 142 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 7: Well, hey, it may be, but there's another factor here, 143 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 7: and that is you can't get away from the fact 144 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 7: that he's hanging by a thread. Brad Schneider has been 145 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 7: named on the interchange bench right now. Schneider wouldn't He 146 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 7: wouldn't be there if Nathan was one hundred percent fit, 147 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 7: and that's merely cover for their halfback as we know 148 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 7: who's just in there. It was pretty innocuous against the 149 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 7: Sharks last week and he came off wincing. 150 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 6: So there's no doubt he's hanging by a thread. 151 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: What do you guys think, I mean, do we think 152 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: he's going to get through this game? We spoke a 153 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: little bit about last night, Gordy, and they're going to 154 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: target him right, which is generally what. 155 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: You do with a number seven of course, but you 156 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: can't fully healthy. 157 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: They're going to go at him, right. I think the 158 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: reason why he's been coming off, the reason why he's 159 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: been you know, sitting on the bench put and I 160 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: put in contonwalk because it was bigger fish to fry. 161 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: This is the biggest hinge. So I think he will 162 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: play no matter what and try to get out of 163 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: the eighty minute or right. 164 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: Keren Monster says the Storm won't make the same mistake twice. 165 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: When it comes to targeting a champion halfback. 166 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 9: You can't go looking for players or or gone away 167 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 9: from your game plan in that space. We'll had a 168 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 9: game plan against every other team he played against this year, 169 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 9: and it's got to pay defends at times and sometimes 170 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 9: it hasn't. 171 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 6: But for us, we did that in two. 172 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 9: Thousand and eight with the Cooper Conklean obviously injury his 173 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 9: shoulder and we probably didn't play the footy that we 174 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 9: wanted to play. We put our energy in all on 175 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 9: the wrong basket. We're just going to go that chain 176 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 9: well this week, prepare well. Like I said, have we 177 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 9: just got out looking for players to trying takeout or 178 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 9: players that we want to try and get at. It's 179 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 9: not going to play our games, so yeah, we'll have 180 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 9: a plan in plays. 181 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: But in saying that, plans don't always go to plan. 182 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: Plans don't always go to plan. 183 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: So they're obviously thinking about it the Melbourne Storm and yeah, 184 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: they got it wrong last time and they took on 185 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Cooper Kronk and the Roosters exposed them, so they don't 186 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: want to do that again. But Dave, you think there's 187 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: a bit of bad blood here between the two teams. 188 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 6: I think so absolutely. 189 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 7: And you only have to go back to the twenty 190 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 7: twenty Grand Final where Jerome Hughes came out and apologized 191 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 7: for mocking the Penrith players in a video. He was 192 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 7: using hand signals and whatnot to mock the Panthers players. 193 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 7: And I don't think that's been forgotten by the Penrith players, 194 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 7: and it speaks to both the rivalry and the animosity 195 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 7: between two quality sites. You know, at any at this 196 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 7: point in time, boys, and at the time of the 197 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 7: twenty twenty GoF it was used as motivation for the 198 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 7: Panthers players by the coaching staff at that time to 199 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 7: get up for this against them. 200 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: You look for any edge you can at this point 201 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 6: in time. 202 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: Pandith have ever got under any team skin and got 203 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: in their face, And. 204 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, are we shocked that I don't like each other? 205 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: Is that a shock? This is rugby league, this is 206 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: a Grand Final. 207 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, these are the two best teams that have 208 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: played in our competition this year. There's going to be 209 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: a rivalry no matter what. They want to get the 210 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: better of each other. They're going to hate each other, you. 211 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: Know, rival because they're two champion teams. 212 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 5: And in fairness to the Panthers, I think they've grown 213 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 5: up a lot in the last four years. I think 214 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 5: that antagonistic approach has really settled down and now it's 215 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 5: just about proving who they are and forging their own dynasty. 216 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: And for the Storm, I think, you know, going back 217 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 5: to what you say, Broth, they're a team that we 218 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 5: know that they have this great spine and talent across 219 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 5: the park, but in recent final series they haven't aimed 220 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 5: up and they haven't been playing as well going into 221 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 5: this part of the season, their main players as they 222 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: are too. 223 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: That's the key and talking to Cameron about that is 224 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: that they're I think they've probably exceeded their own expectations, 225 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: but they're coming in with a lot of confidence. They're 226 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: actually bouncing, you know, the way they played on the weekend, 227 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: the points they're scoring, the ease at which they're exposing oppositions. 228 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: Pen you're a far different right. 229 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: We know that they've got one of the best defense 230 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: defensive units in the competition. They're going for four Premierships 231 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: in a row. It's going to be tough. But in 232 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: past series I don't think they've come in with the 233 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: format they have in terms of the individual brands too 234 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: in key positions, you know, so that's what you're taken 235 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: more of the range just be's pretty much camer Munster's 236 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: ball and Papenhausen. But the way Jerome Hughes has added 237 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: to his game, he's likely to win the Dali MN. 238 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: Those two wingers, they're just such a target. 239 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 5: Now though last week Pappenhausen was back to his explosive 240 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 5: best two tries. 241 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: Jerome Hughes was the best. 242 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 5: Player on the park, probably a nine and a half 243 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 5: out of ten. Cameron Munster they was a nine out 244 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 5: of ten, and Harry Grant four try assists, didn't he 245 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 5: He's probably a nine out of ten too, So you're 246 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 5: just talking about their four best players are in super 247 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 5: Dupe before. 248 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: I think they should be favorites. 249 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 7: I think the Melbourne Storm should be favorites in this 250 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 7: Grand Final. For everything you just spoke about Cruls, I 251 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 7: can't recall a more dominant entry to a Grand Final 252 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 7: in some time as far as just obliterating their opposition 253 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 7: the Melbourne Storm, and for me, there's just too much 254 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 7: question marks about the fluency around Nathan, around Dylan Edwards. 255 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 6: Champions, absolute champions, no doubt, but their. 256 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: Forward packed that'll get them there. 257 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think what hurts their favorite is in 258 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the Melbourne Storm is no Nelson Asava Solomona who loses 259 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: the downgrade big band for five games. I don't think 260 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: it was a surprise to many of us that he lost. 261 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: We all thought it was going to be a monumental 262 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: challenge for him to get off from a grade three. 263 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: How do we see this well on. 264 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 7: The weekend guys, when the charge sheet came through, speaking 265 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 7: to the Melbourne Storm, I got no sense whatsoever they 266 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 7: were preparing to fight this charge, So it came as 267 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 7: a surprise to me when they did follow through with it. 268 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 7: The ability to get this one downgraded from a grade 269 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 7: three to even get completely off to play in the 270 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 7: Grand Final. I thought was no chance, specifically based on 271 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 7: the injury to Lindsay Collins. If the Roosters had gone through, 272 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 7: Lindsay Collins wouldn't be playing, So it's not right that 273 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 7: he should be playing. 274 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 5: I think five weeks is completely over the top. But 275 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: I will say this that everyone said all week no 276 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 5: one wants to see a player rule out of a 277 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: Grand Final because of an injury or suspension. But for mine, 278 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 5: that tackle on the weekend, that was not an accident. 279 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 5: That was careless, if not boarding on reckless the way 280 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 5: that Nelson's six foot eight, it doesn't There is no 281 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 5: excuse for hitting someone in the head just because he 282 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 5: didn't bend his back. He had opportunity. You can see 283 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 5: Katura on the inside does bend his back. Nelson goes 284 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 5: in standing upright. It's happened before and in my books. 285 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 5: When Lindsay gets up, he plays the ball backwards. If 286 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 5: Nelson would have been sent off, it wouldn't have shocked me. Really, 287 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 5: it really wouldn't it, because that's a much in the 288 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: first tackle of the game, he's been taken out by 289 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 5: an illegal tackle. Right, He's out of the game for 290 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 5: eighty minutes if they played in the Grand Final, if 291 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 5: the Roosters would have gone on and won this game, 292 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 5: he would have been out the following week two. That's 293 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's a four weeks 294 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 5: of special. I don't agree with the fact that Nelson 295 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 5: is the victim here. 296 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: He brought it on himself. Lindsay Collins is the. 297 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 6: Victimndoff's a little bit severe. 298 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 7: It's contributing factors too from the other defenders as well. Hey, 299 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 7: I'm not excusing nelsontributing. 300 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: He not lower his. 301 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 4: Body for that tackle. 302 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 6: But it's not a sendoff. 303 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 4: It's a matter of opinion because I think it is 304 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: what he got. 305 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: There a bit late. I don't think it's a sendoff 306 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: for one. And I don't think you should miss a 307 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: Grand final for that. I think you know and always 308 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: say and I'll say it again. 309 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 7: And Collins would have missed the Grand Final and have 310 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 7: his head protected, Lindsay, Collins would have missed that ground 311 00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 7: if he passes. 312 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: What if he keeps on ball back Gordon? Are we 313 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 3: if everybody's. 314 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 4: Injuries or are we not? 315 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 5: Because that is an avoidable tackle, mate, That is an 316 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: avoidable tackle. The game for four years now has been 317 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 5: trying to stop this. 318 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: So you just put it on hold. 319 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 5: Because it's a prelim final and say no, we'll let 320 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 5: him play the Grand Final. 321 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 4: Serve it next year. 322 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: I don't do that. 323 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: It's mayhem if that happens. 324 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: If he hits him with a left foot step, he's 325 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: going to run into space. Running the space is not faces. 326 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: He's a front roller, mate, allright? 327 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: Of course, don't ever apologize and having an opinion. Butler 328 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: dropped from the Butler has been dropped from the bunker. 329 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: Has actually Klein gets the Grand Final? Gig thoughts on 330 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: all of this, referee appointed Clin gets the job, and 331 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Butler's been dropped. 332 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: There's a lot of pressure on the match officials this 333 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: week in the wake of what Ivan said on the weekend. 334 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 5: Ivan was dead set right with what he said. I 335 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: think everyone at home that watched that that try knew 336 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 5: it was a try and when it was disallowed, and 337 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: the fact that they didn't read the defensive move, and 338 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 5: then and on top of that, when Butler came out 339 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 5: and said he hit the outside shoulder, I think everyone 340 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: that was watching the game went, what, like what? And 341 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: so there is this confusion because we saw it in 342 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: that Dolphins game a few weeks ago. And I'll tell 343 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: you what, when you watch the two tackles, it's hard 344 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 5: to split because that was a defensive decision. 345 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: We'll get to that cruel. 346 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: After being called out by Ivan cleariana head of football 347 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: gram men as Lee admitted the Bunker got it wrong 348 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: when they disallowed Tarruva's try in the prelim final. 349 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 10: At this point, Garner is still able to receive the 350 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 10: ball and Tellakey is covering him, the ball goes behind 351 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 10: his back, that collision takes place. My view of this, 352 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 10: having reviewed this this morning, is although there's contact here, 353 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 10: there's no question his contact. 354 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: It's there for everyone to see. 355 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 10: There is no chance in this or there's very little 356 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 10: chance in my view, tulluck I would have been able 357 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 10: to prevent this try from being scored. In my view, 358 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 10: the Bunker has misjudged this and I think this trial 359 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 10: should have been upheld. 360 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: Okay, now the NFL has provided us with the guidelines, 361 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: does this clear things up here? They are must not 362 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: stop in middle of defensive line, must not run at 363 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: chest or outside shoulder, and initiate contact. Must not clearly 364 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: receive the ball on the inside of the lead runner, 365 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: must not run behind the lead runner, and. 366 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: Disadvantage of the defensive line. 367 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: Bunker can use discretion to determine significance of contact initiated 368 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: by lead runner, and defensive decisions that initiate the contact 369 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: will not be deemed obstruction. 370 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: So there's actually a lot of guidelines here. 371 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know there were so many, which is a 372 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: little I think a little too much and a little 373 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: too many. 374 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: But will delve into that now because. 375 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: The reason the follow if players don't milk it, but 376 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: if they go and you know how they fall and 377 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: they hit the ground and they do that, that's where 378 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: the greatness comes and that but that there looks but 379 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: what makes the wrong decision? He goes up right and 380 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: then he tries to milk it, because me watching that live, 381 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: that's a trouble. 382 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: Well, what I think what's confusing is clearly in those 383 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: guidelines it's outside shoulder. If you're on the inside shoulder, 384 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: it's fine, and we still get it wrong. Okay, But 385 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: there is also there the discretion of talakai. 386 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: But what about when you run on your the founder 387 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: you run a beautiful inside line, the bloke inside him 388 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: runs and hit you with his outside shoulder. He's never 389 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: going to get to the play. That's where the gray 390 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 3: area starts coming in because a bloke you're on, you 391 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: beat him, you run inside shoulder, the blow coming across 392 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: bumps in the air, and they say that he was 393 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: denied an opportunity. 394 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: Carls, the producer sent this to you today, the guidelines. 395 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: Does it clear things up for you? 396 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 5: It was clear what happened the other day, I think 397 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 5: to ninety nine percent of the people watching the game 398 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 5: except Chris Butler, and that that final point there, for 399 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 5: mine is the most important point on that because that 400 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 5: was clear. And these guys are professionals in their field. 401 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 5: You know, they're the best of the best referees, and 402 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 5: because of the confusion we've. 403 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 4: Had this year, I believe that's led to it. 404 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 5: Because if I'll go back again, and you look at 405 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 5: the defensive read from Talaquoi there, and I know that 406 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 5: in the Newcastle Dolphins game, Jack Cogger went in and 407 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 5: made a defensive read and the lead runner takes out 408 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: the block. But that's because Cogger's moved in there. And 409 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 5: I know you guys disagreed with this when it happened 410 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 5: at the time. But for mine, that leads to all 411 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 5: this confusion that the bunker officials and the match officials 412 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 5: are having because that is a defensive rule. 413 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: I think they got this right because Brodie Jones gets 414 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: it on the outside shina, he still gets to the tackle. 415 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: If he gets there a second earlier, he could have 416 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: knocked the ball out of stop. And this is where 417 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: I think we're getting to be confused. I think at 418 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's got to be just 419 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: clear and simple. If you have a block run up 420 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: hit the outside schilder of a defender which impedes his opportunity, 421 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: its defender player just pulled up straight away and just 422 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: stop it. If Yeah, I think it's as simple as that, 423 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: because then there's no gray area, you know. 424 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: I think the gray area is when the ball goes 425 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: past you. I can just run and bump into someone 426 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 3: and I'm never going to get to that point. 427 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 5: Well tell you where the gray area is though, And 428 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 5: this is the problem that the game has to confront 429 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 5: is because you have people like Ivan Clearing, and you 430 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 5: have Wayne Bennett, and then you have people like Andrew Johnson, 431 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 5: Phil Gould and Michael Lennis and Greg Alexander and everyone 432 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 5: that have watched these tries in recent weeks. Everyone does 433 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 5: have a different opinion. You guys have a different opinion. 434 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: So anyone had a different opinion on the weekends one 435 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: Dolphins the Dolphins, one mate did split. That's why I 436 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: think if you just say if he hits the outside child, 437 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: bang there, it is like he's taken Jones out. Jones 438 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: cannot release, and that player does not agree with it. 439 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: To take Jones out. Cogan lives in and takes that space. 440 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: Problem, makes a terrible decision. He's saved. He's saved. 441 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 5: He's taken the space where the Dolphins back roll is 442 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: going through. 443 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. He's hits outside shoulders. 444 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: So then Jones shoulder of the Knight's defender. 445 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Making a poor decision. 446 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: He got saved by unfortunately James been taken. 447 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 5: Which a game points to the problem the game's got 448 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 5: because well, it's probably maybe a fifty to fifty six 449 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 5: split on that. When that comes down to really know 450 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 5: the game, I can't get it right. 451 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: And that's a really good point. But then that comes 452 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: down to the guy and the bunker, and if he's 453 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: consistent in that game, with those decisions. That's what we've 454 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: got to live with. 455 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: We're going to move on, but then doing their best 456 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: to clear this up. That's why they provided us with this, 457 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: and I think there could be a few changes in 458 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: the preseason or offseason heading into next year. Mike McGuire 459 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: has laid out his plans for rebuilding the Broncos after 460 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: being parachuted into the head coaching role just days after Kevin. 461 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: Walters was let go by the Powerhouse Club. 462 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 11: Opportunity don't come around very often. This one when it 463 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 11: was presented mystery not long ago, all of a sudden, 464 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 11: now I'm sitting here. 465 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: I'm very honored to gnest. 466 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 11: I am a career coach, so I love the daily 467 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 11: stuff and my last campaign in the Origin, it was 468 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 11: an incredible experience, I've got to say. 469 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: But I am the person that loves the day to day. 470 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: I never ever thought I was sitting here a couple 471 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: of days ago. It sort of did happen quick. 472 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 11: But Club was a move and circumstances happened, and I'm 473 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 11: extremely hungry to run other competition. Yeah, I'm not going 474 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 11: to put a timeline on it, but you know, I'm 475 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 11: in a rush, like all of us. 476 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: We all want to have success. I love the expectation. 477 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 11: I think that's part of what helps you go towards success. 478 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: How do you unlock the best of Reese welsh. 479 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 11: Ill to get the neighbors, you know, that's the first 480 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 11: thing I want to do. No worries about any bad 481 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 11: blood after the knockout in Origin, Yeah, no, sure. 482 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 4: What I'd do a laugh at that one. What do 483 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 4: you think needs to be fixed? 484 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 11: Look, I don't want to have an opinion about what's 485 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 11: happened in the past. 486 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: I'm a person that probably really looks to the future. 487 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 11: And I'd my hat off to anyone that jumps into 488 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 11: catching arena by a gift a great man. But I 489 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 11: guess you know, circumstances happened, and I've been through that myself. 490 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 11: There's a few old boys like showing when King Gordon 491 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 11: tell us aren't too happy with our things, You're going, 492 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 11: I guess see how any words for them look happy 493 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 11: for them to have their opinions or that a number 494 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 11: of laughs with Gordy throughout the Origin campaign and. 495 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: Give him something to talk about. 496 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: Dave, can you talk us through the timeline? Was it 497 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: seems to be very quick? 498 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 12: It was very quick, I think once you're in a 499 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 12: position last week where our comers reached. The first person 500 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 12: I called after connecting with our group here was was Michael, 501 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 12: and conversations happened really quickly and I will certainly be 502 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 12: writing all the resources that Michael needs. 503 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 5: Seculation day thoughts are happening while heavy reports. 504 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: A lovely day can categorically confirm that. 505 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: Of this morning, Michael Madge maguire officially signs on as 506 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Brisbane Broncos. 507 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: In his big news we'll get to that. 508 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: I want to know what's happening with the new South 509 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: Wales Blues and is there any beef there between the 510 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: Blues and Madge. 511 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 7: Oh look, there's is certainly a feeling brave that from 512 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 7: a New South Wales Rugby League point of view, it 513 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 7: could have been handled a little bit better. As far 514 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 7: as the process of Madge informing the New South Wales 515 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 7: Rugby League board, I can tell you that as of 516 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 7: Thursday night, the story broke keV Walters no longer at 517 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 7: the Broncos. 518 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 6: Michael McGuire was installed as the dollar full favorite as 519 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 6: soon as the. 520 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: New South Wales. 521 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 7: Yes, so Friday morning comes Brave, and Madge is due 522 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 7: to conduct a already organized presentation as far as a series. 523 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 6: Of review and preview for twenty twenty five. 524 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 7: During that presentation, Madge makes no mention whatsoever of any 525 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 7: approach or interest from the Broncos. Certainly I would be 526 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 7: confident that he was aware that there was a job 527 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 7: on the available, and within seven two hours he signed 528 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 7: a three year deal with the Broncos, and the Blues 529 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 7: just felt as though at some point prior to that 530 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 7: contract there could have been a little bit more open transparency. 531 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 7: Hey guys, there's a job on available at a pretty 532 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 7: good club. I might have a look at it. That 533 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 7: wasn't forthcoming. 534 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 5: It gets better than that, though, And this is why 535 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 5: I would probably go a step further and say the 536 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 5: Blues are privately ropable, because this happened when we got 537 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 5: off air the other day Thursday night. On Friday morning, 538 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 5: at eight am, the board meeting at twelve o'clock, Madge 539 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 5: speaks at a Carbline club lunch. They go through the 540 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 5: entire day, not a mention, not a mention. Then on 541 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: the Saturday, I'm led to believe the Broncos were ready 542 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 5: to announce Madges the coach until they were informed by 543 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 5: the Blues that he has a contract and if it 544 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 5: seemed to be that you're enticing someone to break a contract, 545 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 5: there's a legality there. And so from there, over the 546 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 5: weekend they had to work out the you know, the 547 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 5: decisions behind his departure. That's confidential, so we don't know 548 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 5: what's happened there. But they're far from impressed and they believe, 549 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 5: they believe that this is This backtracks several weeks, which 550 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: again goes to things that you've spoken about, Gordon. The 551 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 5: fact that we had this player, these anonymous player reviews 552 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 5: right when it's quite clear that the club was moving 553 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 5: towards getting a weak care matter. 554 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: You look, how long South unless you get a Wayne 555 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: Bennett knocking on your door. But it doesn't take breath 556 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: to do it. It takes longer than three days, doesn't it. 557 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: Of course it does. 558 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know that it's really obvious that this 559 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: has been in the pipeline for a while. But at 560 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: the same time, he doesn't want to jeopardize the opportunity to. 561 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 3: Coach New South Wales again. 562 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: Now I mean no, no, I mean that he has 563 00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: jeopardized that. 564 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: Record. 565 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying red line through him and you said, oh, 566 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: I go that. 567 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 6: Far, but I think it's jeopardized it. 568 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 7: I think I think there's a feeling that could have 569 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 7: been handled a lot better to cross this point. There've 570 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 7: been advice, they've been a request by Madge for some 571 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 7: of his advisory staff to be re signed beyond the 572 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 7: twenty five series. 573 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 6: So that was the anticipation from the new South Wales 574 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 6: Rugby League. 575 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think so, brother. I think it's 576 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 4: important to realize he's been open from the start and. 577 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 5: They're not blowing up about that because they knew that 578 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 5: when when I've had conversations with people there, you know, 579 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 5: years ago when when Magic was first appointed, they knew 580 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 5: he wanted to be a head coach. He'd been putting 581 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: his hand up for several jobs, So that wasn't the 582 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 5: big surprise. They would have liked it to go a 583 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 5: little bit longer. But I think it's it's more the 584 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 5: way it's been handled through their eyes, how they've seen 585 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 5: it to be headed. 586 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Which I understand, and they have every right have the 587 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: sheets and be disappointed in major right, but I can't 588 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: put myself in magicies And was trying to say before 589 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: want to jeopardize this opportunity with the bron. 590 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 3: Foot in both camps. 591 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's part of life, you know, when you negotiating. 592 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: It happens in business, happens to be corporations. And even 593 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: Wayne when he was going to the roosters, you know, 594 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: like you, sometimes you want to keep it quiet so 595 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: you get it done so the noise doesn't come out, 596 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: and then it jeopardizes your opportunity to go there. So 597 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: he had to protect himself there as well. It's a 598 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: tough one. 599 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 7: I will say this, as I said earlier, as soon 600 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 7: as Kevy Walters was sacked, Michael McGuire was clearly declared 601 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 7: on every media platform. 602 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 6: That he was the favorite to get the job. There 603 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 6: was an opportunity to address the elephant in the room. 604 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 2: Now you actually who should coach them? 605 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Joey raim me today we're kind of. 606 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: Having a chat about it. 607 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: It's it's a trick heard like I heard that Craig 608 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 3: Bellamy was asked last year or this year that he 609 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: was asked or he are some of his Melbourne Queenslanders. 610 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 3: Is that okay if I maybe coach against you? So 611 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: was that a package deal with someone was he going 612 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 3: to come in out? 613 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 7: But I think at that time, remembering this is only 614 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 7: twelve months ago, the Blues were on to search for 615 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 7: a new coach and when you think of going to 616 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 7: the top of the tree, you go to the top 617 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 7: of the tree with Craig Bellamy, and I firmly believe 618 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 7: that will happen again, with the possibility maybe not this 619 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 7: this coming series due to Bellamy's focus with the storm, 620 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 7: but I think absolutely for twenty six I think Bellamy 621 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 7: will be a target and whether they go a stop 622 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 7: gap coach just for one series to get to Bellam. 623 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: Who are the candidates? 624 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's only early, so we're going to have 625 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: coaches putting their hand up and you know we're going 626 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: to find out more as the days go on, But 627 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: who are the genuine candidates right now? 628 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: We addressed that at all. 629 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: My understanding is that. 630 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: We've made our list. Yeah, we've made our list. 631 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: I'd love to see coach again Phil Good. 632 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 5: I think he's already said he'd rather slimmy his hand 633 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 5: to the door, having clearly. 634 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: Ricky Stewart, Michael Nnis and Phil Goole. So this is 635 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: our little list. I've got Todd, Trent Barrett today was 636 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: interested in the role, so he's won McGregor as well. 637 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: So you know, this is just us tossing up names. 638 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: There's there's nothing formal, but yeah, I don't know. 639 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: It's it's too soon. 640 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 4: For you go through that list. Like Laurie. 641 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: Laurie did a commendable job in tough times, like he 642 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: was up against the greatest Queensland side of all time. 643 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 5: My concern for Laurie would be the same concern we 644 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 5: had with Freddy that he's been out of coaching for 645 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: a while. 646 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 4: You know, you go back Ricky Stewart. Ricky was approached 647 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 4: last time. 648 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 5: I'm pretty certain he couldn't do it because they've got 649 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 5: a young squad coming through and look, it's the same deal. 650 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: Now with Ricky. Ricky's got a young squad. 651 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: Next year and he played under Ricky in Origin and 652 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: I thought he was a great coach. 653 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: Gus has put his hand and said no, he won't 654 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 4: do He said he won't do it. 655 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: So you've got guys that have that. I had all 656 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: these powerful club. 657 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 6: Mat King, Matt King and Brewna. We're both for you 658 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 6: assistance to imagine and we're highly impresident. 659 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 7: During King, someone I love an agitator at origin time, 660 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 7: which is why Ricky Stewart always goes to the top 661 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 7: of my list as great spoke spoken. 662 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 6: Michae Alaniss knows. 663 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 5: How to doesn't coast a team top level yet Skin 664 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 5: McGregor is a good call. 665 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: MacGregor has great knowledge. 666 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 5: He's been what one hundred and fifty game coach, former player, 667 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. 668 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 4: He's been in the system. 669 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 5: When you look through that list, if you can't go 670 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 5: and get a Craig Bellamy or an Ivan Cleary or 671 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 5: Ricky said he won't have it, I reckon you've got 672 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 5: to go for an experienced coach, and on the list 673 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 5: that I've seen so far, I reckon he'd be a 674 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 5: good choice. 675 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: It's a big job for an inexperienced coach, especially the 676 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: pressure now coming off a winning series and Michael maguire 677 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: what he was able to do and transform our team 678 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: into it's going to be interesting to see. 679 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: So keep your eye on that. Thank you Crawls, Thank. 680 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: You, Dave up next to the player perspective with Aaron 681 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Woods and James Graham and Tomorrow and I the twenty 682 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: twenty four Dallian Metal winner will be crowned why have 683 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: an exclusive. 684 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: On Fox lad 685 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: M