1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to L three sixty Rother League from every angle, 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: brought to you by Tel Fast. Joining me again the 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Great Gordon Tallis, Paul Crawley and David Riccio. A massive 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: show ahead. But first the Grand Final teams are in 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: thanks to the Tablet's have a look. The day is 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: getting closer and the two best teams have made the 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Grand Final. The Melbourne Storm Ryan Pappenhausen at fullback, Harry 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: Grant the captain of the team in jersey number nine. 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: You can see there, Cameron Munster and Jerome Hughes in 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: the halves and the only change is Lazarus var Lepu 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: who comes in for the suspended Nelson Assafa Solomono. Let's 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: have a look at the Panthers. The Panthers are unchanged, 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: Edward's at fullback and the big one there, Nathan Cleary 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: is carrying that shoulder injury as captain, looking to go 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: four Premierships in a row, their fifth Grand Final in 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: a row. It is an incredible achievement and it sets 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: up to be I've said it all year, but this 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: sets up to be an absolute blockbuster. The Gordy. It's 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: hard to split the two but looking forward to this one. 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, like so many matchups, two big heavyweights going at it. 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: If you just read through those just listening to you, 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: Penrith have a slide edge I think in the back 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: row in the front row, especially with Melbourne los and 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: looser Nowson. But it's shaping up to be probably one 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: of the better Grand Finals. 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: I believe Nelson's the big out, isn't he. 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: Like you talk to people about this game and everyone 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: says who you're tipping? 29 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 1: Who you're tipping? 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: You really don't know that. 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: You might say the Panthers, but then you think no, 32 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: five seconds later, the Storm Like they're such great teams, 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: such great spines. 34 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: The Panthers approven champions. This Melbourne side wants to prove 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: that they can go to the next step. 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 5: From the pain of losing. 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 6: Nelson is a cracking story, Guys. He's on an eighty 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 6: thousand dollars development the Elazarus. Varle Epu comes into this team. 39 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 6: He's only played seven first grade games former he's a 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 6: penal junior, so he's prized out of the Panthers nursery 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 6: and he gets his opportunity. 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 5: Seriously, that's a cracking story. 43 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 6: Eighty Grand seven games, this season into a Grand Final 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 6: and he's. 45 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Literally got big shoes to Phil Nelson has been a 46 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: good for him the last couple of months after a 47 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: slow start to the season. But yeah, it's a big 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: opportunity there for him, no doubt. Nathan Cleary has been 49 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: carrying his shotter injury all season, but the Panthers champion 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: is adamant. He's good to go for the biggest game 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: of the year. 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 7: It's amazing, feels so good. I'm actually like heah, I 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 7: feel good. I'm ready to go for this weekend and 54 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 7: I'm confident with all the work I've done to get 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 7: back on the field now and the last two teams 56 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 7: I verse both knew about it. 57 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Like, I'm confident in it. 58 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 7: You know, I'll be there holding my gloves up. Sort 59 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 7: of had it early in the pre season and was 60 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 7: working on it throughout the year and obviously had those 61 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 7: HAMI dramas, so good work on it through that period 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 7: and was feeling good. Unfortunately that thing happened against the 63 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 7: storm last night versum. But then yea worked out at 64 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,279 Speaker 7: it again and it's yeah, that's feeling. 65 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: Confident in it. Nathan Cleary there saying that he's confident 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: but did mention that that thing happened against the Melbourne 67 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: Storm last time which caused the injury or caused him 68 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: to be reinjured. He's carried this injury into the season. 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: We've known that it's been well publicized. Was there anything 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: in that crulse? 71 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: Look, it was an interesting choice of words from Nathan 73 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: there where you could say where the injury happened or 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 4: that thing happened. And what got me thinking about this 75 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: was last night. Michael chamis from the Sydney Morning Herald. 76 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: He's a close ally to Penrith. He gets good mail 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: there and he did say on Channel nine last night 78 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 4: that he knows that the Panthers privately had thoughts about 79 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: this tackle. Now, when this tackle initially happened, I remember 80 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: watching it and thinking to myself, and I'm not saying 81 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: it's an illegal maneuver, but when you watch this closely 82 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: with Josh King, where he locks his arm around the 83 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: other arm right and then he gets that knee up, 84 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: and I was I was having a chat to Jimmy 85 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: Graham out the back about this before, and it is 86 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: a wrestling move. It's not an illegal wrestling move in 87 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 4: rugby league. But it's specifically designed to control the head 88 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: and slow down to play the ball. And so when 89 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: Nathan goes down here and again it's not illegal, but 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: it's all designed and when he pushes off the ground 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 4: you can see in his eyes that's that's where the 92 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 4: injury happens. 93 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: There's not much force in that. There's not much force 94 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: every NRL tackle. 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: Just slow on the playboard. And Gordy, you say that. 96 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 4: I don't see it that often, mate, and I just 97 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: the only reason you notice it here is because that's 98 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: when Nathan got injured. 99 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: When noticing because we got slowed down and it's getting 100 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: played seven times, that doesn't look like a tackle to 101 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: me that he's intent to hurt Nathan eitherthan. 102 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: My point. My point here is for mine. 103 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 4: It shows how vulnerable Nathan can be when put in 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: the wrong situation. And it's not again you say, we're 105 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 4: not getting to that stage of the season where we 106 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: bring up the storm wrestling the nerves and try and 107 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: make it into something that's not. 108 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: This is purely to show that Nathan can be vulnerable. 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 4: No one's going to question his toughness and no one's 110 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 4: going to question like on the weekend he went out 111 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: for seventy something minutes showed no signs of that. But 112 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 4: it's like Cooper Kronk said, also in that tackle where 113 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 4: he hurt himself on the weekend, when he stretched that 114 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 4: arm is when it caused the injury. So that could 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: happen in the seventieth minute, could happen in the FU. 116 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: They're more concerned than what we are or what they're 117 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: leading on. 118 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 5: Well. 119 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: I heard Billy Slayer say the other day he's had 120 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: shoulder injuries, and you would have to be concerned because 121 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: it can happen and you don't know when it's going 122 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: to happen. Brian Seeny, the NRL physios, said, it's a 123 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: ticking time bomb. It could happen at any stage. And 124 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: so because Nathan is so important to the Panthers and 125 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 4: if he goes out plays like he did last weekend, 126 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: they're going to be hard to beat. 127 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 5: There's a couple of factors here. 128 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 6: Brace Look, the Panthers as a footy club, they're not 129 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 6: renowned for. 130 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 5: Being agitators in the media. 131 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 6: They don't come out, they don't feed journo's lines to 132 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 6: be seen to be trying to manipulate something that might 133 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 6: happen during the week, but I do believe the choice 134 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 6: of words by Nathan were interesting. And again Nathan's not 135 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 6: an agitator at all. He plays the game and respectfully 136 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 6: treats the opposition. But he certainly said that thing happened 137 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 6: against the Melbourne Storm. As we know, it's easy to explain. 138 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: Put pressure on the referee because they winged about the 139 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: obstruction real too well after the game. 140 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 6: Well, hey, it may be, but there's another factor here, 141 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 6: and that is you can't get away from the fact 142 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 6: that he's hanging by a thread. Brad Schneider has been 143 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 6: named on the interchange bench right now. Schneider wouldn't He 144 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 6: wouldn't be there if Nathan was one hundred percent fit, 145 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 6: and that's merely cover for their halfback as we know 146 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 6: who's just in there. It was pretty innocuous against the 147 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 6: Sharks last week and he came off wincing. 148 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 5: So there's no doubt he's hanging by a thread. 149 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: What do you guys think, I mean, do we think 150 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: he's going to get through this game? We spoke a 151 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: little bit about last night, Gordy, and they're going to 152 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: target him right, which is generally what you do with 153 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: a number seven. Of course, but you can't fully healthy. 154 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: They're going to go at him, right. 155 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: I think the reason why he's been coming off, the 156 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: reason why he's been you know, sitting on the bench 157 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 2: put and I put in contonwalk because it was bigger 158 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: fish to fry. This is the biggest hinge. So I 159 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: think he will play no matter what and try to 160 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: get out of the eighty minute or right. 161 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: Keren Monster says the Storm won't make the same mistake twice. 162 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: When it comes to targeting a champion halfback. 163 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 8: You can't go looking for players or or gone away 164 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 8: from your game plan in that space. We'll had a 165 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 8: game plan against every other team he played against this year, 166 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 8: and it's got to pay thevends at times and sometimes 167 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 8: it hasn't. But for us, we did that in two 168 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 8: thousand and eight with the Cooper Conklean obviously injury his 169 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 8: shoulder and we probably didn't play the footy that we 170 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 8: wanted to play. We put our energy in all on 171 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 8: the wrong basket. We're just going to go that chain 172 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 8: well this week, prepare well. Like I said, have we 173 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 8: just got out looking for players to trying takeout or 174 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 8: players that we want to try and get at. It's 175 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 8: not going to play our games, so yeah, we'll have 176 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 8: a plan in plays. 177 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: But in saying that, plans don't always go to plan. 178 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: Plans don't always go to plan. So they're obviously thinking 179 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: about it the Melbourne Storm and yeah, they got it 180 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: wrong last time and they took on Cooper Kronk and 181 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: the Roosters exposed them, so they don't want to do 182 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: that again. But Dave, you think there's a bit of 183 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: bad blood here between the two teams. 184 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 5: I think so absolutely. 185 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 6: And you only have to go back to the twenty 186 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: twenty Grand Final where Jerome Hughes came out and apologized 187 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 6: for mocking the Penrith players in a video. He was 188 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 6: using hand signals and whatnot to mock the Panthers players. 189 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 6: And I don't think that's been forgotten by the Penrith players, 190 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 6: and it speaks to both the rivalry and the animosity 191 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 6: between two quality sites. You know, at any at this 192 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 6: point in time, boys, and at the time of the 193 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 6: twenty twenty GoF it was used as motivation for the 194 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 6: Panthers players by the coaching staff at that time to 195 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 6: get up for this against them. 196 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 5: You look for any edge you can at this point 197 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 5: in time. 198 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: Pandith have ever got under any team skin and got 199 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: in their face, And. 200 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, are we shocked that I don't like each other? 201 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: Is that a shock? This is rugby league, this is 202 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: a Grand Final. You know, these are the two best 203 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: teams that have played in our competition this year. There's 204 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: going to be a rivalry no matter what. They want 205 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: to get the better of each other. They're going to 206 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: hate each other, you. 207 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: Know, because they're two champion teams. 208 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 4: And in fairness to the Panthers, I think they've grown 209 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 4: up a lot in the last four years. I think 210 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 4: that antagonistic approach has really settled down and now it's 211 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: just about proving who they are and forging their own dynasty. 212 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: And for the Storm, I think, you know, going back 213 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: to what you say, Broth, they're a team that we 214 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: know that they have this great spine and talent across 215 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 4: the park, but in recent final series they haven't aimed 216 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: up and they haven't been playing as well going into 217 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: this part of the season, their main players as they 218 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: are too. 219 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: That's the key and talking to Cameron about that is 220 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: that they're I think they've probably exceeded their own expectations, 221 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: but they're coming in with a lot of confidence. They're 222 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: actually bouncing, you know, the way they played on the weekend, 223 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: the points they're scoring, the ease at which they're exposing oppositions. 224 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: Pen you're far different, right. We know that they've got 225 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: one of the best defense defensive units in the competition. 226 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: They're going for four Premierships in a row. It's going 227 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: to be tough. But in past series I don't think 228 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: they've come in with the format they have in terms 229 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: of the individual brands too, in key positions, you know, 230 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: So that's what you're taken more of the range just 231 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: be's pretty much camer Munster's ball and Papenhausen. But the 232 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: way Jerome Hughes has added to his game, he's likely 233 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: to win the Dali m. Then those two wingers, they're 234 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: just such a target. 235 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 4: Now though last week Pappenhausen was back to his explosive 236 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: best two tries. 237 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: Jerome Hughes was the best. 238 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: Player on the park, probably a nine and a half 239 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: out of ten. Cameron Munster they was a nine out 240 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: of ten, and Harry Grant four try assists, didn't he 241 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: He's probably a nine out of ten too, So you're 242 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 4: just talking about their four best players are in super 243 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 4: dupe the form. 244 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 5: I think they should be favorites. I think the Melbourne 245 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 5: Storm should be favorites in this Grand Final. For everything 246 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 5: you just spoke about Cruls, I can't recall. 247 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 6: A more dominant entry to a Grand Final in some 248 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 6: time as far as just obliterating their opposition the Melbourne Storm, 249 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 6: and for me, there's just too much question marks about 250 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 6: the fluency around Nathan, around Dylan Edwards. 251 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 5: Champions, absolute champions, no doubt, but their. 252 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: Forward packed that'll get them there. Yeah, yeah, I think 253 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: what hurts their favorite is in the Melbourne Storm is 254 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: no Nelson Asava Solomona who loses the downgrade big band 255 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: for five games. I don't think it was a surprise 256 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: to many of us that he lost. We all thought 257 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: it was going to be a monumental challenge for him 258 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: to get off from a grade three. How do we 259 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: see this well on. 260 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 6: The weekend, guys, when the charge sheet came through, speaking 261 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 6: to the Melbourne Storm, I got no sense whatsoever they 262 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 6: were preparing to fight this charge, So it came as 263 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 6: a surprise to me when they did follow through with it. 264 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: The ability to get this. 265 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 6: One downgraded from a grade three to even get completely 266 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 6: off to play in the Grand Final. I thought was 267 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 6: no chance, specifically based on the injury to Lindsay Collins. 268 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 6: If the Roosters had gone through, Lindsay Collins wouldn't be playing, 269 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 6: So it's not right that he should be playing. 270 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: I think five weeks is completely over the top. But 271 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: I will say this that everyone said all week no 272 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: one wants to see a player rule out of a 273 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: Grand Final because of an injury or suspension. But for mine, 274 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: that tackle on the weekend, that was not an accident. 275 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: That was careless, if not boarding on reckless the way 276 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: that Nelson's six foot eight, it doesn't There is no 277 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: excuse for hitting someone in the head just because he 278 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: didn't bend his back. He had opportunity. You can see 279 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: Katura on the inside does bend his back. Nelson goes 280 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 4: in standing upright. It's happened before and in my books. 281 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 4: When Lindsay gets up, he plays the ball backwards. If 282 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: Nelson would have been sent off, it wouldn't have shocked me. Really, 283 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 4: it really wouldn't it, because that's a much in the 284 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: first tackle of the game, he's been taken out by 285 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 4: an illegal tackle. Right, He's out of the game for 286 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: eighty minutes. If they played in the Grand Final, if 287 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 4: the Roosters would have gone on and won this game, 288 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: he would have been out the following week two. That's 289 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's a four weeks 290 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: of special. I don't agree with the fact that Nelson 291 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: is the victim here. 292 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: He brought it on himself. Lindsay Collins is the. 293 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 5: Victimndof's a little bit severe. 294 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 6: It's contributing factors too from the other defenders as well. Hey, 295 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 6: I'm not excusing nelsontributing. 296 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: He not lower his body for that tackle. 297 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 5: But it's not a sendoff. 298 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: It's a matter of opinion because I think it is 299 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: what he got. 300 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: There a bit late. I don't think it's a sendoff 301 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: for one. And I don't think you should miss a 302 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: Grand final for that. I think you know and always 303 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: say and I'll say it again. 304 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 6: And Collins would have missed the Grand Final and have 305 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 6: his head protected, Lindsay, Collins would have missed that ground 306 00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 6: if he passes. 307 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: What if he keeps on ball. 308 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: Back to Gordon? 309 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 2: Are we if everybody's. 310 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: Injuries or are we not? 311 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 4: Because that is an avoidable tackle mate, That is an 312 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: avoidable tackle. The game for four years now has been 313 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 4: trying to stop this. 314 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: So do you just put it on hold. 315 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: Because it's a prelim final and say no, we'll let 316 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: him play the Grand Final, serve. 317 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: It next year. 318 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't do that. 319 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: It's mayhem if that happens. 320 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: If he hits him with a left foot step, he's 321 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: going to run into space. Running the space is not faces. 322 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: He's a front roller mate, all right? 323 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: Of course, don't ever apologize and having an opinion. Butler 324 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: dropped from the Butler has been dropped from the bunker? 325 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: Has actually Klein gets the Grand Final? Gig thoughts on 326 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: all of this, referee appointed Clin gets the job, and 327 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Butler's been dropped. 328 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on the match officials this 329 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: week in the wake of what Ivan said on the weekend. 330 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: Ivan was dead set right with what he said. I 331 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 4: think everyone at home that watched that that try knew 332 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: it was a try and when it was disallowed, and 333 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: the fact that they didn't read the defensive move, and 334 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: then and on top of that, when Butler came out 335 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 4: and said he hit the outside shoulder, I think everyone 336 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: that was watching the game went, what, like what? 337 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: And so there is. 338 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: This confusion because we saw it in that Dolphins game 339 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: a few weeks ago. And I'll tell you what, when 340 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 4: you watch the two tackles, it's hard to split because 341 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 4: that was a defensive decision. 342 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: We'll get to that cruel. After being called out by 343 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Ivan cleariana head of football gram men as Lee admitted 344 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: the Bunker got it wrong when they disallowed Tarruva's try 345 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: in the prelium final. 346 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 9: This point, Garner is still able to receive the ball 347 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 9: and Tellakey is covering him, the ball goes behind his back, 348 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 9: that collision takes place. My view of this, having reviewed 349 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 9: this this morning, is although there's contact here, there's no 350 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 9: question his contact. It's there for everyone to see. There 351 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 9: is no chance in this or there's very little chance 352 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 9: in my view, tulluck I would have been able to 353 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 9: prevent this try from being scored. In my view, the 354 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 9: Bunker has misjudged this and I think this trial should 355 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 9: have been upheld. 356 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: Okay, now the NFL has provided us with the guidelines, 357 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: does this clear things up here? They are must not 358 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: stop in middle of defensive line, must not run at 359 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: chest or outside sholder, and initiate contact. Must not clearly 360 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: receive the ball on the inside of the lead runner, 361 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: must not run behind the lead runner, and disadvantage of 362 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: the defensive line. Bunker can use discretion to determine significance 363 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: of contact initiated by lead runner, and defensive decisions that 364 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: initiate the contact would not be deemed obstruction. So there's 365 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: actually a lot of guidelines here. I didn't know there 366 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: were so many, which is a little I think a 367 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: little too much and a little too many. But will 368 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: delve into that now because the. 369 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: Reason the follow if players don't milk it, but if 370 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: they go and you know how they fall and they 371 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: hit the ground and they do that, that's where the 372 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: greatness comes and that but that there looks but what 373 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: makes the wrong decision? He goes up right and then 374 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: he tries to milk it, because me watching that live, 375 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: that's a true. 376 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: Well, I think what's confusing is clearly in those guidelines 377 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: it's outside shoulder. If you're on the inside shoulder, it's fine, 378 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: and we still get it wrong. Okay, But there is 379 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: also there the discretion of talakai. 380 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: But what about when you run on your the founder 381 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: you run a beautiful inside line, the bloke inside him 382 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: runs and hit you with his outside shoulder. He's never 383 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: going to get to the play. That's where the gray 384 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 2: area starts coming in because a bloke you're on, you 385 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: beat him, you run inside shoulder, the blow coming across 386 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: bumps in the air, and they say that he was 387 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: denied an opportunity. 388 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: Caruls, the producer sent this to you today, the guidelines. 389 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Does it clear things up for you? 390 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: It was clear what happened the other day, I think 391 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 4: to ninety nine percent of the people watching the game 392 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: except Chris Butler, and that that final point there, for 393 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 4: mine is the most important point on that because that 394 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 4: was clear. And these guys are professionals in their field. 395 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 4: You know, they're the best of the best referees, and 396 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: because of the confusion we've. 397 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: Had this year, I believe that's led to it. 398 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 4: Because if I'll go back again and you look at 399 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: the defensive read from Talaquoi there, and I know that 400 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: in the Newcastle Dolphins game, Jack Cogger went in and 401 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 4: made a defensive read and the lead runner takes out 402 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: the block. But that's because Cogger's moved in there. And 403 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 4: I know you guys disagreed with this when it happened 404 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: at the time. But for mine, that leads to all 405 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: this confusion that the bunker officials and the match officials 406 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 4: are having because that is a defensive rule. 407 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: I think they got this right because Brodie Jones gets 408 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: it on the outside shina, he still gets to the tackle. 409 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: If he gets there a second earlier, he could have 410 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: knocked the ball out of stop. And this is where 411 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: I think we're getting to be confused. I think at 412 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's got to be just 413 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: clear and simple. If you have a block run up 414 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: hit the outside schilder of a defender which impedes his opportunity, 415 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: its defender player just pulled up straight away and just 416 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: stop it. If Yeah, I think it's as simple as that, 417 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: because then there's no gray area, you know. I think 418 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: the gray area is when the ball goes past you. 419 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: I can just run and bump into someone and I'm 420 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: never going to get to that point. 421 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 4: Well tell you where the gray area is, though, And 422 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 4: this is the problem that the game has to confront 423 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: is because you have people like Ivan Cleary, and you 424 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: have Wayne Bennett, and then you have people like Andrew Johnson, 425 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: Phil Gould and Michael Lennis and Greg Alexander and everyone 426 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: that have watched these tries in recent weeks. Everyone does 427 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: have a different opinion. You guys have a different opinion. 428 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: Think anyone had a different opinion on the weekends One 429 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: Dolphins the Dolphins. One mate did it. That's why I 430 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: think if you just say, if he hits the outside child, 431 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: bang there, it is like he's taken Jones out, Jones 432 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: cannot release and that player does not agree with it. 433 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: Take Jones out. Cogan lives in and takes that space. 434 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: Problem, makes a terrible decision. He's saved. 435 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: He's saved. 436 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: He's taken the space where the Dolphins back roll is 437 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: going through. 438 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He's hits outside shoulders. 439 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: So then Jones shoulder of the Knight's defender. 440 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: Making a poor decision. He got saved by unfortunately James 441 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: been taken. 442 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 4: Which a game points to the problem the game's got 443 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: because well, it's probably maybe a fifty to fifty. 444 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: Six split on that. When that comes down to really 445 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 3: know the game, I can't get it right. 446 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: And that's a really good point. 447 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: But then that comes down to the guy and the bunker, 448 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: and if he's consistent in that game with those decisions, 449 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: that's what we've got to live with. 450 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: We're going to move on, but then doing their best 451 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: to clear this up. That's why they provided us with this, 452 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: and I think there could be a few changes in 453 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: the preseason or offseason heading into next year. Mike McGuire 454 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: has laid out his plans for rebuilding the Broncos after 455 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: being parachuted into the head coaching role just days after 456 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Kevin Walters was let go by the Powerhouse Club. 457 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 10: Opportunity's don't come around very often. This one when it 458 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 10: was presented Listery not long ago, all of a sudden. 459 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm sitting here. I'm very honored. To be honest. 460 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 10: I am a career coach, so I love the daily 461 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 10: stuff and my last campaign in the Origin, it was 462 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 10: an incredible experience, I've got to say. 463 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: But I am the person that loves the day to day. 464 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 10: I never ever thought I'd just sitting here a couple 465 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 10: of days ago. 466 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: It sort of did happen quick. 467 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 10: But Club was a move and circumstances happen, and I'm 468 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 10: extremely hungry to run another competition. Yeah, I'm not going 469 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 10: to put a timeline on it, but you know, I'm. 470 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: In a rush, like all of us. We all want 471 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: to have success. I love the expectation. 472 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 10: I think that's part of what helps you go towards success. 473 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: How do you unlock the best of Reese welsh. 474 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 10: Ill to get the neighbors, you know, that's the first 475 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 10: thing I want to do. 476 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: No worries about any bad blood after the knockout in Origin, Yeah, no, sure. 477 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: What I'd do a laugh at that one. 478 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: What do you think needs to be fixed? 479 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 10: Look, I don't want to have an opinion about what's 480 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 10: happened in the past. 481 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: I'm a person that probably really looks to the future, 482 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: and I have. 483 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 10: My hat off to anyone that jumps into catching arena 484 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 10: by a gift a great man. But I guess you know, 485 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 10: circumstances happened, and I've been through that myself. There's a 486 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 10: few old boys like showing when King and Gordon tell 487 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 10: Us aren't too happy with our things, You're going, I 488 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 10: guess see how any words for them look happy for 489 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 10: them to have their opinions or had a number of 490 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 10: laughs with Gordy throughout the Origin campaign and. 491 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: Give him something to talk about. Dave, can you talk 492 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: us through the timeline? Was it seems to be very quick? 493 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: It was very quick. 494 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 11: I think once you're in a position last week where 495 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 11: our comers reached. The first person I called after connecting 496 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 11: with our group here was was Michael, and conversations happened 497 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 11: really quickly, and I will certainly be writing all the 498 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 11: resources that Michael needs seculation. 499 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 10: Maybe thoughts are happening while heavy reports the love. 500 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 3: The past can categorically. 501 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 11: Confirm that. 502 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: Of this morning, Michael Madge maguire officially signs on as 503 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Brisbane Broncos. In his big 504 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: news we'll get to that. I want to know what's 505 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: happening with the new South Wales Blues and is there 506 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: any beef there between the Blues and Madge. 507 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 6: Oh look, there's is certainly a feeling brave that from 508 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 6: a New South Wales Rugby League point of view, it 509 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 6: could have been handled a little bit better. 510 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 5: As far as the. 511 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 6: Process of Madge informing the New South Wales Rugby League board, 512 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 6: I can tell you that as of Thursday night, the 513 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 6: story broke Kevi Walters no longer at the Broncos. 514 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 5: Michael McGuire was installed as the dollar full favorite as 515 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 5: soon as the. 516 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: New South Wales. 517 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 6: Yes, so Friday morning comes Brave, and Madge is due 518 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 6: to conduct a already organized presentation as far as a 519 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 6: series of review and preview for twenty twenty five. During 520 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 6: that presentation, Madge makes no mention whatsoever of any approach 521 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 6: or interest from the Broncos. Certainly I would be confident 522 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 6: that he was aware that there was a job on 523 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 6: the available, and within seven two hours he signed a 524 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 6: three year deal with the Broncos, and the Blues just 525 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 6: felt as though at some point prior to that contract 526 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 6: there could have been a little bit more open transparency. 527 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 5: Hey guys, there's. 528 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 6: A job on available at a pretty good club. I 529 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 6: might have a look at it. That wasn't forthcoming. 530 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: It gets better than that, though, And this is why 531 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: I would probably go a step further and say the 532 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: Blues are privately ropable, because this happened when we got 533 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: off air the other day Thursday night. On Friday morning, 534 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 4: at eight am, the board meeting at twelve o'clock, Madge 535 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: speaks at a Carbline club lunch. They go through the 536 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 4: entire day, not a mention, not a mention. Then on 537 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: the Saturday, I'm led to believe the Broncos were ready 538 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: to announce Madges the coach until they were informed by 539 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: the Blues that he has a contract and if it 540 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: seemed to be that you're enticing someone to break a contract, 541 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 4: there's a legality there. And so from there, over the 542 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: weekend they had to work out the you know, the 543 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 4: decisions behind his departure. That's confidential, so we don't know 544 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 4: what's happened there. But they're far from impressed and they believe, 545 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 4: they believe that this is This backtracks several weeks, which 546 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 4: again goes to things that you've spoken about, Gordon. The 547 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: fact that we had this player, these anonymous player reviews 548 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 4: right when it's quite clear that the club was moving 549 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 4: towards getting. 550 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: A weak care matter. 551 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: You look, how long South unless you get a Wayne 552 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: Bennett knocking on your door. But it doesn't take breath 553 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: to do it. It takes longer than three days, doesn't it. 554 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: Of course it does. Yeah, we all know that it's 555 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: really obvious that this has been in the pipeline for 556 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: a while. But at the same time, he doesn't want 557 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: to jeopardize the opportunity to coach New South Wales again. 558 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: Now I mean no, no, I mean that he has 559 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: jeopardized that d record. 560 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 6: I'm saying red line through him, and you said, oh, 561 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 6: I go that far, But I think it's jeopardized it. 562 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 6: I think I think there's a feeling that could have 563 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 6: been handled a lot better to cross this point. There've 564 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 6: been advice, they've been a request by Madge for some 565 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 6: of his advisory staff to be re signed beyond the 566 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 6: twenty five series. So that was the anticipation from the 567 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 6: new South Wales Rugby League. 568 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think so, brother. I think it's 569 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 4: important to realize he's. 570 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 12: Been open from the and they're not blowing up about 571 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 12: that because they knew that when when I've had conversations 572 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 12: with people there, you know, years ago, when when Magic 573 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 12: was first appointed, they knew he wanted to be a 574 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 12: head coach. 575 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: He'd been putting his hand up for several jobs. So 576 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: that wasn't the big surprise. They would have liked it 577 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 4: to go a little bit longer. But I think it's 578 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: it's more the way it's been handled through their eyes, 579 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 4: how they've seen it to be handed, which. 580 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: I understand, and they have every right have the sheets 581 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: and be disappointed in major right, but I can't put 582 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: myself in magicies And was trying to say before want 583 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: to jeopardize this opportunity with the bron. 584 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 5: Foot in both camps. 585 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's part of life, you know, when you negotiating. 586 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: It happens in business, happens to be corporations. And even 587 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: Wayne when he was going to the roosters, you know, 588 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: like you, sometimes you want to keep it quiet so 589 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: you get it done so the noise doesn't come out, 590 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: and then it jeopardizes your opportunity to go there. So 591 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: he had to protect himself there as well. It's a 592 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: tough one. 593 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 6: I will say this, as I said earlier, as soon 594 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 6: as Kevy Walters was sacked, Michael McGuire was clearly declared 595 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 6: on every media platform that he was the favorite. 596 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 5: To get the job. There was an opportunity to address 597 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 5: the elephant in the room. 598 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: Now you actually who should coach them? Well, you know what, 599 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: Joey raim me today we're kind of having a chat 600 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: about It's it's a trick heard like. 601 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: I heard that Craig Bellamy was asked last year or 602 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: this year that he was asked or he are some 603 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: of his Melbourne Queenslanders. Is that okay if I maybe 604 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: coach against you? So was that a package deal with 605 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: someone was he going to come in out? 606 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 6: But I think at that time, remembering this is only 607 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 6: twelve months ago, the Blues were on to search for 608 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 6: a new coach and when you think of going to 609 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 6: the top of the tree, you go to the top 610 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 6: of the tree with Craig Bellamy, and I firmly believe 611 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 6: that will happen again, with the possibility maybe not this 612 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: this coming series due to Bellamy's focus with the storm, 613 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 6: but I think absolutely for twenty six I think Bellamy 614 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 6: will be a target and whether they go a stop 615 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 6: gap coach just for one series to get to Bellam. 616 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: Who are the candidates? I mean it's only early, so 617 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: we're going to have coaches putting their hand up and 618 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: you know we're going to find out more as the 619 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: days go on, But who are the genuine candidates right now? 620 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: We addressed that at all. 621 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: My understanding is that we've made our list. 622 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we made our list. I'd love to see coach 623 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: again Phil Good. 624 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 4: I think he's already said he'd rather slimmy his hand 625 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: to the door, having clearly Ricky Stewart, Michael Nnis and 626 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 4: Phil Goole. 627 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: So this is our little list. I got Todd, Trent Barrett, 628 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: today was interested in the role. So he's won McGregor 629 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: as well. So you know, this is just us tossing 630 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: up names. There's there's nothing formal, but yeah, I don't know. 631 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: It's it's too soon. 632 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: For you go through that list. Like Laurie. 633 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 4: Laurie did a commendable job in tough times, like he 634 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 4: was up against the greatest Queensland side of all time. 635 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 4: My concern for Laurie would be the same concern we 636 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 4: had with Freddy that he's been out of coaching for 637 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: a while. 638 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: You know, you go back Ricky Stewart. Ricky was approached 639 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: last time. 640 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 4: I'm pretty certain he couldn't do it because they've got 641 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: a young squad coming through and look, it's the same 642 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: deal now with Ricky. 643 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: Ricky's got a young squad next year and. 644 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: He played under Ricky in Origin and I thought he 645 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: was a great coach. 646 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: Gus has put his hand and said no, he won't 647 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: do He said he won't do it. 648 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: So you've got guys that have that. I had all 649 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: these powerful club. 650 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 5: Mat King, Matt King and Brewna. We're both you assistance 651 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 5: to imagine and we're highly impresident during. 652 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 6: King, someone I love an agitator at origin time, which 653 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 6: is why Ricky Stewart always goes to the top of 654 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 6: my list as great spoke spoken. 655 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 5: Michaelaniss knows how to doesn't. 656 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: Coast a team level yet, Skin McGregor is a good call. 657 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 4: MacGregor has great knowledge. He's been what one hundred and 658 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 4: fifty game coach, former player, all that sort of stuff. 659 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: He's been in the system. 660 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: When you look through that list, if you can't go 661 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 4: and get a Craig Bellamy or an Ivan Cleary or 662 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 4: Ricky said he won't have it, I reckon you've got 663 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: to go for an experienced coach, and on the list 664 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 4: that I've seen so far, I reckon he'd be a 665 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: good choice. 666 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: It's a big job for an inexperienced coach, especially the 667 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: pressure now coming off a winning series and Michael maguire 668 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: what he was able to do and transform our team 669 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: into It's going to be interesting to see. So keep 670 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: your eye on that. Thank you Crawls, Thank you, Dave 671 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: up next to the player perspective with Aaron Woods and 672 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: James Graham and Tomorrow and I the twenty twenty four 673 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: Dallian Metal winner will be crowned. Why have an exclusive 674 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: on Fox wad 675 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 6: M