1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: I get a two. It's HAPs A's Stiffney hang book. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: It's a Sunday in Melbourne, thriving in Tropolis. It's fucking balmire. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: I just looked at the temperature. It's rocked up to 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: fourteen degrees. I've taken off two of my coats. I'm 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: just down to ug boots and my jocks and it's 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. We don't do the visual, 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: just the audio now, all still in a societ. I'm 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: looking out the window between the bamboo it's sunny, Tiff, 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: it's sunny, and. 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: The car before to come back here and do this podcast, 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my goodness, and you know what, 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: I get seasonal effective disorder big time. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: And tell people what that is. 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: Seasonal effective disorder is just a fancy way of saying 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: the winter blues, but it's a thing and some people 16 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: really suffer from it. In fact, my client this morning 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: said that he one of his friends, a psychologist, is 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: doing a PhD in seasonal effective disorder. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Well, I might have said to you ten years ago, yeah, 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: jog it out because I was an insensitive But anyway, 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: but these days I'm kind of I don't have that, 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: but I definitely have changed my tune like I used 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: to be, you know, I mean, I still am an idiot. 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: I'll still go run in the cold and the rain 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: and all of that, but I will say I'm looking 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: forward to summer. And I used to like people who 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: would winge about winter. I'd be like, harden up, princess, 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: i'man jogged out You be fine. You don't have cancer, 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: you don't have a tumor. Shut the fuck up. But 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm kind of coming around. So maybe I'm becoming more passionate. 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: But more likely I'm just becoming softer. 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: It might be that PhD in self awareness you're doing that. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: It could be that. It could be that it could 34 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: be you and I were chatting about a very interesting 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: topic just before we went live, and I thought I 36 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: would love to talk about I mean that I just 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: find it interesting. Now let's just preface this. Of course 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: we're not going to say who, but somebody that you 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: and I know has had to have some breast surgery, 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: need to get a couple of things, a little I 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: think benign tumors or whatever lumps removed, and while she's 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: there is getting a little bit of enhancement. And I 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: said to you because you were saying you had to 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: have a screen the other day, because you're got to 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: know what are you doing? You're doing some hormony thing. 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: I should pay more attention. What are you doing. 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: I'm having a tinker in the perimenopausal pool at the moment. 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: So we're looking at maybe doing some hormone therapy, and 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: you know, all of the things, all the fun stuff. 50 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: And I and you said, I don't think I would 51 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: do that, which is no judgment, and it's just a 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: personal preference. And I don't know if I would, like 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: if I was a female, if I would do that either, 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I just I think 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: probably not, Like I understand, I understand why people wouldn't. 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: I understand why people wouldn't. Why are you probably in 57 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: their no camp? We're talking about getting a in colloquial terms, 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: a boob job, Like why are you probably in the 59 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: no camp? 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: I think? And I'm probably more a lot more in 61 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: the no camp now than maybe when I was younger. 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Although I've always been a bit opposed, like I've always 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: had I've been relatively flat chested, so when we do 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: good peck workouts, it's a win for me, and let's 65 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: be honest, new boobs, I wouldn't be able to see 66 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: that as much because they will be covered up with 67 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: new boobs. 68 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I don't know. It's like I don't 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's different now. I don't pay 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: any attention to me everyone with this because I don't 71 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: know anything about it. But they don't use what silicon anymore? 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: They use saline or do they use some of your 73 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: own tissue or body fat? 74 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: Sometimes I actually have no idea myself. 75 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: We have two worse people talking about this than you 76 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: and me, the fucking bloke who knows nothing and the 77 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: girl who doesn't want them. 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: But what I do know, there's a lot of I've 79 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: seen a lot of women having them taken out and 80 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: they can have bad experience. It's quite bad experiences for 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: your health. And by the way, don't they I believe 82 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: on the last ten years or something, we don't have 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: to get them replaced anyway. But for me, I would 84 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: say a big part of my personal reason and I 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: don't this is one of those things where you don't 86 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: judge other people the same way you judge yourself. But 87 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to look at the having a 88 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: sexualized version of my I would feel like a very 89 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: sexualized version of myself, and given my background, that would 90 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: I would not feel good about that, so it wouldn't 91 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: be I would love dresses too. I would love to 92 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: be able to borrow some when I have to frock 93 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: up once every two or three decades. But that's all. 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that I was talking to somebody, and 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: not this lady we're talking about, but somebody a bit 96 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: a going. And she said to me, like, it's all 97 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: just about for her, it's just about self esteem and 98 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: just feeling a bit better. And I went, I get it, 99 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: I get it. There's no it's like there's no right 100 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: or wrong. There's no for me, like there's no judgment, 101 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: there's just curiosity. It's like I had a friend of mine, 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: how do I don't want to get anyone. I don't 103 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: want anyone to figure out who this is a guy 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: or girl? And he or she was a was attractive 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: that we would say that except they had a honker, 106 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: let's be honest, had a fucking a nose like me, right, 107 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: they got a nose job, and honestly, the change and 108 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: they went from like really self conscious embarrassed and to like, 109 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: I just saw their confidence sore and they were. Of course, 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: this is not the meaning of life having fucking cosmetic surgery, 111 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: of course, but in that case I looked at that. 112 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: When that's on all levels emotionally, psychologically, sociologically, physically, cosmetically, 113 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: I go, that's a good outcome, you know. 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest, if I had the money and 115 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: it's and one day when I do, I would like 116 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: to get my upper and lower eyelids surgically done because 117 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: I have bags under my eyes and too much fat 118 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: on top of my eyelids and it bothers me right 119 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: because I'm in front of mirrors all the time and 120 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: I look tired and exhausted, and it sounds really superficial. 121 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: But you know, so I wouldn't get boobs, but I'd 122 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: get my eyes done right one day. I'd like to, 123 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: so kind of on the semi to do list. 124 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: Well, you think about the the way that we kind 125 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: of are critical of, Like if somebody wants to wear 126 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: all the makeup and put on guy or girl, put 127 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: on the best outfit, be that a suit, be that shirts, 128 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: a shirt and jeans or a dress or whatever. Somebody 129 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: wants to look great, so they go and buy all 130 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: this stuff to look like Nobody buys clothes that they 131 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: think will make them look worse. Why are you getting that? 132 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: I want to look like shit? Right, everybody wants to 133 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: look good. But we seem to have these, you know, 134 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: personal lines that we draw about what's okay and what's 135 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: over the top and what's not okay. And you know, 136 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: I think if I was going to I probably wouldn't. 137 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: But I'm about a ten percent chance, but probably nine 138 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: percent not. You know what I'm going to say, don't 139 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: you What am I going to say? 140 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: Are you going to say? 141 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: Oh? What are you saying? Why'd you pick that? Why'd 142 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: you pick that? 143 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: He was pointing? 144 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 145 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: Funny stuff? 146 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Fuck it? What? That's hurtful? Yeah, well, you know, I 147 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: mean every time it rains in Hampton four people come 148 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: and stand under my nose just to keep dry. That's hurtful. 149 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: Favorite of your jokes because I see that your to 150 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: per form every time you say it. 151 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I will. But at the same time, 152 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: if I could magic, and you knows that was about 153 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, seventy percent of the current version, although you know, 154 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: thanks to sweet baby Jesus that my nose works, right, 155 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: I can sniff, I can smell, So you go, well, 156 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: it's functional, shut. 157 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: Up exactly right. When you think about dress for the 158 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: job you want, not the job you've got, or how 159 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: much confidence you get from your how you dress. Right, 160 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: when we have that conversation, it's like it's very clear 161 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: for everyone, and everyone's on board with that. But when 162 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: we start to take it to things that get a 163 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: bit murky around, Oh, we'll let your body you know, 164 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing though, 165 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: Like you, if it has an effect on your confidence, 166 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: then I don't really to a degree you know, I 167 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: don't know. Is it a problem? 168 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and also like if I want to get 169 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: a nose job, it doesn't fucking affect anyone else, rightactly, 170 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: But I. 171 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: Could guarantee you people that's right. 172 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: They're going to have to find somewhere else to stay dry. 173 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: But that boom, See how we can take the piss 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: out of me? What? Yeah, I know I was going 175 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: to ask a question that I will definitely not ask 176 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: when you do that. No, No, I can't, I'll tell 177 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: you I can't. I can't. Well, I'll just say this, 178 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: It's okay to hang shit on me, right because but 179 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: we couldn't do that, you know. You know what I'm saying. 180 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't mind if people make fun of me at all, 181 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: but I have no intention or desire to do the 182 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: same to others because I understand. But I think, you know, 183 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: back to the back to the matter at hand. For me, 184 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm more interested when in terms of clothes and all 185 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: of that stuff. As you know, for me, my main 186 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: priority is comfort and function. Like I mean, obviously it's 187 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: not my goal to look terrible, but I do everything 188 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: human like I did, as you know, I did two 189 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: gigs on one day in two states this week, both 190 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: corporate gigs, both kind of high level corporate, and in 191 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: both of them, I wore jeans and a T shirt. 192 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: And I kind of say to them, if I really 193 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: don't want to wear anything more formal than that, are 194 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: you okay with that? And they both said, yeah, we're 195 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: right with that. Like when I am, when I'm in 196 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: a suit, i am not comfortable. I'm not comfortable. I'm 197 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: not myself and I'm not This is not a global thing. 198 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: This is just a me thing. But I feel like 199 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm playing a character in a fucking movie or something. 200 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: When I put on a shirt and tie and suit 201 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: and black shoes and then I walk up there, I 202 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: feel like I'm pretending to be something because I just 203 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: never ever ever wear that. Now, I know that's probably 204 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: just my stuff, but and I understand the context that 205 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it's, you know, a situation dependent you do do that, 206 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: and if I have do I will. But yeah, I'm 207 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't worry. You know. It's like I 208 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: shaved my hair off because it's just easy. People go, 209 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: why do you do that? You look so good with 210 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: long hair or longer hair. 211 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: I go, it's just curly locks. 212 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: I don't care, like I I it's funny, like I 213 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: care to a point, but not much like if it's 214 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: out of ten, I care too. 215 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: You know. 216 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: It's like like the idea of growing my hair long 217 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: and having because my hair grows like a motherfucker, but 218 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: it's just a mess. It looks like a shrub sitting 219 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: on top of my skin. 220 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: When I was younger, my parents used to be a 221 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: if I look back now, a real I was going 222 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: to say weapon. That's probably a strong word, but a 223 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: real statement. And what I see in it now was 224 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: had this real introverted, shy kind of personality and maybe 225 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: a very intan So I had this this look that 226 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: made the statement that I didn't have the voice too. 227 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: So I always talk about voice, talk about voice a lot, 228 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: and I think that was it because I worked in 229 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: My first job was in printing design and printing some 230 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: business cards and stuff. And I remember talking about that 231 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: once and realizing I had such a passion of it 232 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: for it because it was the ability to give people 233 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: and businesses voices that they did that they didn't need 234 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: to use their voice to portray. So you have this 235 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: personality and so like I was getting around with bloody 236 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: pink hair, short pink hair, like fudge pink hair. When 237 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: I was in my teens, I had a car, just 238 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: a little Hounday Excel, but I got the windows tinted 239 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,359 Speaker 2: mirror blue. So I was cruising around in this illegally 240 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: tinted car. Wow a couple of years. Just you know, 241 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: I just always wanted to stand out. I bought my 242 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: motorbike at seventeen, and I was getting around on that 243 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: motorbike with my bloody short pink hair, you know, And 244 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: it was just so that people go, she's cool. And different. 245 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: But really, you put me in a room with people, 246 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: I would be quite as a mouse. 247 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: And that's funny. I never thought, well, that's that's kind 248 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: of dressing or presenting to create a particular or a 249 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: desired outcome, not necessarily to be attractive, but to perhaps 250 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: be unique or different. 251 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,119 Speaker 2: Or And I do remember the first time that I 252 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: let my hair grow a bit and I died it 253 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: back to a natural brown, and I had this sense 254 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: at that time of I don't need that anymore, and 255 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: that I didn't need that was the first time I 256 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: realized that there was some sort of a thing I 257 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: was portraying. It was like, oh, I didn't realize I 258 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: needed it before, but now I feel like I don't 259 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: need that shouty, bloody appearance. 260 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: It's so interesting. I remember doing when I was in 261 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: my early twenties. I was working, I was running a 262 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: gym and doing all the shit I was doing. But 263 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: it's three nights a week. I did security in pubs, 264 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: and it was quite important that I looked big, that 265 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: I looked intimidating, and so I was always one hundred 266 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: odd plus kilos with a very shaved head, and every 267 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Friday night before work, I would I would, you know, 268 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: clipper my hair with clippers. So my hair was about 269 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: a millimeter long, and it's looking back, I think, yeah, 270 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: that was because I was probably a little bit terrified 271 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: because it's a bit volatile. I might get my fucking 272 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: head caved in. But I wanted to look as though 273 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: I was not to be fucked with. Yeah, you know, 274 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: so I thought, well, they'll never They'll never discover my 275 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: insecurity or innate lack of fighting skills if I looked terrifying. 276 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: I remember talking about this in business networking ones of people. 277 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: When I made that realization with print for me, I 278 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: got really passionate about teaching people in business networking situations 279 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: like to find that really what the passion is in 280 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: what they do when they think they don't love what 281 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: they do. Because even in because because I spent years 282 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: and years and years in print and design and creative industry, 283 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: thinking that I just saying I just fell into it. 284 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: I fell into it through an opportunity when I left school, 285 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: and then it became what I knew. But I was 286 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: passionate about it and when as soon as I made 287 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: that discovery, and I've had conversations with people in small 288 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: businesses and that when we've found that link and they go, 289 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: oh my god, I've never really realized that, And then 290 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: they realized that's why they've been drawn into the role 291 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: or the industry that they're in. It's really cool. 292 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: Would you say, to this point in time, you've had 293 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: an accidental career or an intentional career or something else accidental? 294 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: For sure, both times I fell into that one and 295 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: then I fell into the fitness one. 296 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm just writing that down because that could become. 297 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: I fell into podcasting. 298 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Well, isn't it funny? How you know we've spoken before 299 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: about like work life balance and work impact, and I 300 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: was thinking the other day I work. I've probably worked 301 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: since I was eighteen years old, on average fifty hours 302 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: a week. I'd say more a lot. It depends what 303 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: we call work, right, But then you know, so I'm 304 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: chucking in their PhD, which is essentially yeah, it's study, 305 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: but it's a job. Like a PhD is more like 306 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: a job than a job to me, Like, that's much 307 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: more work, right. But anyway, I would say on average, 308 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: for fifty weeks per year, for the last forty two years, 309 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: I've done fifty hours. So if you go fifty hours 310 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: times fifty weeks is two and a half thousand weeks 311 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: a year. Now, if you multiply that by forty years, 312 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: that's one hundred thousand hours of work, right, And I 313 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: was thinking how many hours do people work over their lifetime? 314 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: And also and again there's no clear answer to this, 315 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: although I did look at a recent Gallup poll that 316 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: said globally about sixty percent of people who work don't 317 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: like their work so that they're not engaged. It says 318 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: they're not engaged, They don't they don't look forward to it. 319 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: They just do it. It's something they tolerate to produce 320 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: a financial outcome. I get it, and I thought it 321 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: might have been higher, and it may be who knows. 322 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: But for me, the thought of just doing a thing 323 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: to produce a financial outcome is terrifying. But also I 324 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: do acknowledge that I have first world privilege and that 325 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: I am lucky enough that I can create my own 326 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: thing and have created my own thing, and not everyone 327 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: is afforded the opportunity and luxury that I've been afforded 328 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: to live in Australia, where if you want to work hard, 329 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: take risks, fall down, get up, take chances, make hard decisions, 330 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: do hard things you can within reason, you can kind 331 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: of do whatever you want, you know, But that that 332 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: idea of clocking in and clocking out and then just 333 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: looking at the fucking clock on the wall waiting for 334 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: five o'clock. I couldn't do that. I guess if I 335 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: had to, I could. But what about you? 336 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not. I was just thinking, have you ever 337 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: you ever in your life had a time where you've 338 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: felt stuck? Did you ever live that you didn't? Really? 339 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: Like you kind of went into your own thing. But 340 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: is there as an experience that you remember where you 341 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: were just like, I don't ever want to be stuck 342 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: like this? 343 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Do you know what I think? I don't know. Just 344 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: the way my mind works, I don't know if it's 345 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: good or bad. But from when I was a kid, 346 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: if I did anything like I had a couple of 347 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: jobs that I lasted one day because I knew in 348 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: one day wasn't lazy. It's not like I don't want 349 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: to work. 350 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: I just knew this is not the thing. 351 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Like have you ever been out with a dude on 352 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: the date and you know ten minutes. 353 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: In all of them? 354 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: Like, you know ten minutes in like, this is not 355 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: the guy, and you may bee maybe four minutes in 356 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: and I don't even know what it is, but you 357 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: just know and probably ninety nine percent of the time 358 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: you're right. And for me, Like, people are going to 359 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: laugh at this. This is so ironic and hilarious. I 360 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: don't know if you even know this. But when I 361 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: was eighteen, i'd finished school and I didn't go to UNI. 362 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: I went to UNI later, but I got somehow, I 363 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: can't even remember how, but I got offered to be 364 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: a trainee center manager trainee at McDonald's, right, hilarious. 365 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: I know that is very funny. 366 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: I know. I lasted about seven hours and I went 367 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: up to the boss and I went, this is not 368 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: for me, and they're like what, And it was a 369 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: really good opportunity. So in the management program like to 370 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: be you know, by the time I was twenty or 371 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: twenty one managing a restaurant, blah blah blah. I'm like, dude, 372 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: this is a fuck. Keep the money, keep the seven 373 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: hours worth of money. I thank you for the opportunity. 374 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: You're all great this but this is not me. But 375 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: I knew that, and I knew and I thought, I 376 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: can't like I'm not that dude, you know, even by 377 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: the time I was twenty twenty one. And again I'm 378 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: not saying this is good or bad, but this is 379 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: just me. Even working in environments I liked, like working 380 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: in a gym, helping people, having a boss, I will 381 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: say though, my last boss, his name's Mike Thornbro, I'll 382 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: shout out to him. He was great. He gave me 383 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: all the rope because he knew that I was honest, 384 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: and he knew that I cared about him, and he 385 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: knew that I cared about his business. And I ran 386 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: his business as well as I would have run my 387 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: own business, or I tried to anyway. But it dawned 388 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: on me early that I'm I want to work, but 389 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to have a job because I get bored. 390 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: I need to be able to create and expand and 391 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: try things that might fail. Well, you can't do that 392 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: in someone else's business. 393 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: Really, you just reminded me of a conversation I had 394 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: with a friend. 395 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: You know. 396 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: We went for a walk the other day and he 397 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: was talking about one of his friends who at work, 398 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: who he was managing. So he was managing this and 399 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: we were talking about adhd and she has ADHD and 400 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: how he learned so much about the condition and how 401 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: to help her and manage her and make her and 402 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: she ended up being this top performer. And then there 403 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: was business structure change. She goes under different management and 404 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: within I think he said something like three months she 405 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: was put under performance management and just capitulated because people 406 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 2: were micromanaging and he had to kind of go in 407 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: and have a chat and go like give. And it's 408 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: interesting we think of how different we all are and 409 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: how we might just thrive in the right business, but 410 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: that right business has to have the right people with 411 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: the right skills to get the best out of this 412 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: and the flexibility to understand that. It's hard to do 413 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: that because then they go, what about all these people 414 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: that they might want to work like that? And you know, 415 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: it's hard, I think, to roll that out. 416 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: Well, think about the reality that if you've got to 417 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: let's say you've got tiff Ink, and at tiff Ink, 418 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: everyone comes to work at tiff HQ and there's twenty 419 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: people or there's twenty personalities, twenty backgrounds, twenty expectations, and 420 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, probably different reasons for being there in some way, 421 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: shape or form. So you've got to deal with all 422 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: that variability and all that kind of humanity. And yes, 423 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: you've got to tick the boxerscross the t's, dot the i's, 424 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: make the money, service the clients and customers, develop, build 425 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: the product, blah blah blah blah blah. But you also, 426 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: and this is the hard part, you've got to create 427 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: a culture that people want to be in. I say 428 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: to all the bosses that I work with, all the CEOs, 429 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: all the bloody mds, all the business owners, do you 430 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: have a place, a culture, an organization, even a physical 431 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: place that people want to be in and want to 432 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: come to? Because if you've got everything right, but people 433 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: don't like the culture or you, or they don't feel valued, loved, 434 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: scene wanted, fucking good luck keeping them and definitely good 435 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: luck keeping them happy. 436 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: You ran massive businesses with a lot of staff, right, 437 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: how did you what worked and what failed in creating 438 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: that culture? Because you're one person with one influence, you 439 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: must have done a lot. 440 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: Of so it worked at varying levels, and I got 441 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: lots of things wrong. I'll say that up front. You 442 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: know there were times when Harper's my Gym's were the 443 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: industry leader in Australia and we were crushing and killing, and. 444 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: I think part of it was that the good part, 445 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: like when we did well, was that I was silly 446 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: and I was energetic, and I loved people and I 447 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 3: wanted I had. 448 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: Fun with my staff, I had fun with my clients. 449 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: I made it a great I tried to make it 450 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: a great energy to be in the middle of. That 451 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: became harder when I opened other centers that I wasn't 452 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: in the middle of right, And like all businesses, I 453 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: had trainers that were brilliant, I had trainers that were 454 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: not so brilliant. I had trainers in the middle and 455 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: people that come in and for the first three six 456 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: months they're fucking amazing, and then twelve months in they 457 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: hate you for some reason or maybe I did something right. 458 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's I'm not at fault, but I 459 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: was always because I wasn't good at business, but I 460 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: was good at people. The business ended up going pretty good. 461 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: But I was always very aware of culture, connection, communication, 462 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: reading the room, resolving conflicts, solving problems as quick as possible, 463 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: And I instinctively and intuitively knew without ever being taught, 464 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: that if I could create a place that people wanted 465 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: to be in were a pretty good chance. Mm. 466 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about when I back in the day, 467 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 2: when I had a job, job and a boss, and 468 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: just the idea of figuring out like self awareness, figuring 469 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: out what actually works for you. That's hard when you 470 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: because I think, especially at the workplace, most of us 471 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: are a people pleaser at some point. And it took 472 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: me the best part of my forty years, the very 473 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: biggest chunk of it to get any idea of how 474 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: much I would accommodate and put myself last and have 475 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: no idea why I might be happy or outispie or 476 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: feel comfortable where I am, what part of it, whether 477 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: it was confrontation or whether it was relationship driven with 478 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 2: the people, or whether it was what I'm doing, or 479 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: the structure the time, how much flexibility I have versus 480 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: how much structure and help, so you like to have 481 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: enough help and guidance but not be micromanaged and have 482 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: be able to be create even a bit spontaneous. That 483 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: was a hard thing to really learn well for myself 484 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: over all that time. 485 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also, you know, we talk about 486 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: this idea with diet, We talk about it with lifestyle. 487 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: We talk about it with as we did at the 488 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: start the show, how we dress like it's personal. Like 489 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: you think about your job. You don't have holiday pay, 490 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: you don't have sick pay. You have a lot of risk, 491 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: You have a lot of financial vulnerability. You don't know 492 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: how much money you will make next week. You don't 493 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: know how many people will listen to your podcast. You 494 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: have very little are predictability on planet you. I have 495 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: a little bit less right because I don't have a 496 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: set wage per se. And you get but your existence 497 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: is really vulnerable, but also creative, but also fucking terrifying 498 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: but also exciting. But it wouldn't suit a lot of people, 499 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: but for you, it's perfect. And so this notion of 500 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: finding the right job is really more about finding the 501 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: right job for that person, that personality, that emotional system, 502 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: that creative being that you know, where do I thrive? 503 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: Because where you thrive, somebody else might perish. You know. 504 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: It's back to the We give Brian some almonds and 505 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 1: he feels great, and we give Sally some almonds and 506 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: she fucking chokes out on the floor. Right, it's not 507 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: about the almonds. It's not about the job. It's about 508 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: what works for us as individuals also comma your honor. 509 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: It's also what will work for you over your work spam. 510 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: You know, So what what fucking set you on fire 511 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: when you were twenty? That's probably well and truly past. 512 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: It's used by date for tiff. Yeah, and what blew 513 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: your socks off when you were thirty? Now you might 514 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: go shoulder shrug emoji. Not really? And now what sets 515 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: you on fire? What excites you? Challenges you, has your attention? 516 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: That might be quite different in one, two, five years. 517 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: You know, like, the best job for you is fluid. 518 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: It's not stagnant. It's not the same thing like the 519 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: best You know, when I was twenty, I could eat 520 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: three pretty big meals a day and I didn't get fat. 521 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: At sixty, I can't. Yeah, all these things are dynamic. 522 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: The world's dynamic. Where you know, you're not the same 523 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: person that you were yesterday. Your body's not the same. 524 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: Your cells are constantly dying and growing like you're everything's 525 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: being reinvented. So this idea that you'll find a job 526 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: and you'll do that for forty years and be happy 527 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: is completely fucking ridiculous for most people. Yeah, that's not 528 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: going to be the case, and. 529 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: I reckon most people listening and wherever they are right now, 530 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: and you think about how much, like I think about 531 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: how much it took me to learn, how many mistakes, 532 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: how many opportunities, And with a higher risk profile like 533 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: I have, I was able to jump in and try 534 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: something and pivot and do something else, and do something else. 535 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: There's a luxury in that that you have to have 536 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: a higher risk tolerance. But then what gets really complex 537 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: is getting to this point. And then when you are 538 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: ready for a chat, like at the moment I go, Okay, 539 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: you're doing too much, like too many hours, too much, 540 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: you've taken on a lot, and to get further, you 541 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: need to figure this out. No one's I'm the most. 542 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm I know the most about what got me here 543 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: and what works and what doesn't. But then when you 544 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: need some advice, it's like when you turn because no 545 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: one else knows all of the stuff that I already know, 546 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't it's really difficult. I find it 547 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: difficult because people can give you a bum steer. So 548 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: I'm really hesitant to go, oh, help me out, because 549 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: everyone's a fucking expert. I can help. 550 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: You well, yeah, exactly. And that's why even with this show, 551 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: and I've said this a million times, you know, we're 552 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: not dispensing advice. There's not a prescription coming out of 553 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: this conversation. There's a conversation and in the middle of 554 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: their thoughts, ideas stories, you know, someone might go, ah, 555 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: I might try that. Someone else might think, ah, that's bullshit. 556 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: Either way, it's fine, like if you know, like I 557 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: like to just provoke people to think. Like the idea, 558 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: even just one simple idea that's come out of this 559 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: is that most jobs, most careers, have a used by 560 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: day where the excitement and the joy and the contentment 561 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: and the happiness that that situation once manifested for that individual, 562 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: that might go away. And that's okay, that's not We 563 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: don't need to be sad. We just need to adapt. 564 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: You know. 565 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: I remember working, I remember literally working in pubs and 566 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of exciting because it was fucking a 567 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: bit scary, it was a bit risky. It's fucking you know, 568 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: hot girl. There was some great girls everywhere, there was pissed, 569 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: silly people. It was fucking entertaining. It was just a 570 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: fucking shit fest of humanity and for me, I was 571 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: like a fish out of water because I was the 572 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: most boring motherfucker in the joint. Like all I did 573 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: was eat chicken salad and lift heavy shit. Then I 574 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: went to this circus three times a week to watch 575 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: people who were nothing like me, and it was like 576 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: such a great learning place. It was such a great 577 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: classroom for me. But now I'd rather punch myself in 578 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: the face than go there. But at the time, I'm like, 579 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: this is this is so good? You know, I mean, 580 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: but that's yeah, you know, you know, there was a 581 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: time when me training clients was the best thing. Like 582 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: I used to feel like this is the biggest scam ever. 583 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm in a gym. All I want to do is 584 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: be in a gym, because gyms are the best. Right, 585 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm in a gym. I'm making three or four times 586 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: the hourly rate of a gym instructor because I'm a trainer, right, 587 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: And I'm making good though. I'm talking to cool people. 588 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm having fun, I'm learning, I'm evolving. I'm in an 589 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: environment I want to be. I'm wearing a fucking tracksuit 590 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: to work. How good is that? You know? It's like 591 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: now I look back and I go. I understand why 592 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: that was awesome, but now that wouldn't be awesome. And 593 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: it's not that it's good or bad, it's that I'm 594 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: a bit different. 595 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: Now was there what did anything ever or what was 596 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: the thing that would keep you stuck if it ever did? 597 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: Like for me, it's I have this inability to let 598 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: go of things. So I try and move on without 599 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: creating the space, and I'd burn out and I'd take 600 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: too much on because I think I have this insecurity complex. 601 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: It's all this is all going to fall away, nothing 602 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: last forever. You're going to get a band and you're 603 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: going to lose things, so hold on to it real tight. 604 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: So I'm I try and grow. I've got no I've 605 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: got no free hand to grasp anything new. Do you 606 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: have something that you can that made it hard for 607 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: you to you it was inefficient? 608 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think because I always I was always doing better, 609 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: not always, but I was mostly I looked better than 610 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: I was, as in like I knew that people thought 611 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: I knew a fair bit, but I didn't feel like 612 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: I knew a fair bit right, And so for me, 613 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: shitty self esteem got in the way. Like when I 614 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: was in a situation that was pretty good, but I 615 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: knew that there was something better. I'd maybe stay in 616 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: the pretty good for a while because of fear of, oh, 617 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: but what if the other thing doesn't work, which is 618 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: very typical you still do that, not maybe a little, 619 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: but you know, like I've thought a lot even about 620 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: this show. I've thought, h how long will I do 621 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: this show for? And if I'm being as transparent as 622 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: I can be, Like even right now, I'm enjoying this conversation, 623 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: and you and I have had hundreds of conversations. There's 624 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: nothing about this that I go, ah, fuck, this is 625 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: just some obligation. There's you know, It's like I saw 626 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: you before at the gym and I said, have you 627 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: got time? And bah, And there is a little bit of, oh, 628 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: I need to get a podcast recorded today because today Sunday, 629 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: we don't have one for tomorrow. But I've got two 630 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: interviews tomorrow, so we're good for Tuesday and Wednesday. But 631 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: so there's a little bit of that because of the 632 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: continuity and the expectation and the self imposed rules of 633 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: podcast today. But nearly all the time when I'm doing it, 634 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm somewhere between liking it and loving it and I know, 635 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: I'll get off this with you and we'll go see 636 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: everyone and I'll say to you, that was good, that 637 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 1: was good, you know, And as long as I'm enjoying it, 638 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing it. And if it gets 639 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: to the point where, you know, and it's not making 640 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: me rich and it's not making you rich, we all 641 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: know that. But if it's getting to the point where 642 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm kind of breaking even but I still love it, 643 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing it. 644 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: You know, what have you gotten out of this that 645 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: maybe you didn't expect on the podcast? 646 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: Oh that's a great question. And I thought about this 647 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: the other day. It's like every day of my life 648 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking to an audience, and it's made me a much, much, 649 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: much much better speakerlive because I'm talking about you know, 650 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: the mind behavior, thinking habits, you know, self control, outcome, success, failure, 651 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: that all the time. And I have to think all 652 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: the time, and I have to be clear and articulate, 653 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: and I need to sometimes explain complicated shit in an 654 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: uncomplicated way. And this, apart from hopefully creating something that's 655 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: good for our listeners, it's also an opportunity for me 656 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: and you to develop skill competence, awareness communication. So for 657 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: me that yeah, it's like I love it anyway. I 658 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: could give you ten things. Meeting awesome people, you know, 659 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: chatting with the beautiful Johnny Raffo, I could give you. 660 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: I could give you, you know, individual examples of things that 661 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: I will I will cherish, you know, building an audience 662 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: of awesome people. I had a guy come up to 663 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: me at Sydney Airport on Wednesday. Fuck, sorry, dude, I 664 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: can't remember your name. He's probably going to listen to this, 665 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: such a sweetheart. He goes Craig and I go yeah. 666 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: He goes Craig Harper like, oh yeah, and he goes mate, 667 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: he goes, you don't know this, but you kind of 668 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: saved my life. And he shook my hand and he goes, 669 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: I read all your stuff. I listened to your stuff. 670 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know, something like I don't know 671 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: where i'd be without you. And I'm like, fuck, dude, 672 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: I just want to spoon you on the couch now, motherfucker. Yeah. 673 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: I just like And that was a bloke I've never 674 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: met and probably will never see. It's Sydney Airport. I'm 675 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: walking to the gate. I'm in a bit of a hurry. 676 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: I'm about to go to Melbourne to do another thing. 677 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: And it was like I just stopped and time stood 678 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: still and I just and I just thanked him and 679 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: I shook his hand and told him how much I 680 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: appreciated it. And those moments you go, yeah, this is 681 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: the only reason I do it, But yeah, this is 682 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: why I do it. This is fucking this is so good. 683 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: And it's not about ego. It's just about ah. I 684 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: literally helped someone. Yes he did the work. But when 685 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 1: a stranger stops you and says, and by the way, 686 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't think on any level I saved his life. 687 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: But when they say, you know, you kind of saved 688 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: my life, you know, or even just you really help 689 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: me and you don't know. But then I go, fuck, yeah, 690 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: that's why I do it so good. 691 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 2: Someone was asking for advice one of my tazzy friends 692 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 2: and they want to start a podcast Nate, and one 693 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 2: of the questions they'd written was is it worth it? 694 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: And I, for all the reasons you just said, I said, 695 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 2: that's a loaded question. Depends what you want to get 696 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: out of it. But you'll get this, this, this, this 697 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 2: and this, and you'll develop your They want to do 698 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 2: it on mental health. They've got lived experience, they're doing 699 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: some great work in that area. I'm like, this is 700 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: you will get so much out of the experience. That's 701 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 2: what if you're aware of that, go and do it 702 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 2: like and I say that to everyone, like do it 703 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 2: and start now, like everyone wants to wait, just start now. 704 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: But also yes, I agree, and also do it well, 705 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: like don't don't fucking sit in your kitchen on your 706 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: mum's fucking card table with a phone sitting on a 707 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: fucking shoe box, for God's sake, Like I can't say who, 708 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: but somebody I know has recently started a new podcast 709 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: and it's good. Two people it's good, and one of 710 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: the people their audio is nine out of ten and 711 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: the other one it's fucking four out of ten. 712 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: And when I see it, I feel like I know 713 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: who you're talking about, because I was just thinking the 714 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 2: same thing I reckon being of the same person. 715 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and good idea good show name good like good, 716 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: everything's good. But I listened to some of the other 717 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: day and I couldn't keep listening because it sounded like 718 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: one person had their head in the toilet. 719 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 2: I was going to say something to them as well. 720 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the other like one was the audio was great, 721 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: the other one, you know, So what's my point? My 722 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: point is whatever you're you know, by the way, when 723 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: you first start, of course it's not going to be awesome, 724 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: but hopefully the guests will get better, the conversation will 725 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: get better, the editing, the sound, the quality of everything, 726 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: and you keep But if you think you're just going 727 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: to start podcasting and become a success story, especially in 728 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: our it ain't going to happen without you know, you're 729 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: rolling up your sleeves and going, I'm going to do 730 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: worst case scenario one hundred episodes. Then reassess, like, if 731 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to do one hundred and you won't 732 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: commit to one hundred, and then reassess my opinion, don't start. 733 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you've just got that one outcome goal, 734 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: it mightn't be that you're going to be the best 735 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: podcast for every one day, but something in your life 736 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 2: will be you'll be way better at it as a 737 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 2: result of the work you've put in. 738 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know, with everything that 739 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: we do, you know, as a gym instructor, I was 740 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: crap and then I got better and then as a 741 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: trainer the same, and then as a podcaster. I think 742 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm still improving. I definitely have room for growth and improvement. 743 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's that, it's that that kind 744 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: of duality of being able to still have one eye 745 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: on development and learning and progression while also being able 746 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: to be in the middle of it going. But also, 747 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: by the way, this is fucking awesome right now, you 748 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: know that that which I've spoken a few guests about 749 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: the the kind of almost the conundrum of being both 750 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: ambitious and content at the same time, because they seem 751 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: to be exclusive. But you know, I think for the 752 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: most part, I'm content. I don't really have any significant 753 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: regular anxiety. But also I'm ambitious. I would love to 754 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: have a million listeners a week, but if I never do, 755 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: that's okay, you know. So it's been fun TIF. 756 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 2: As always, Thanks Harps. 757 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: No boobs for you and no knows job for me. 758 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: I think I think there are two of the key takeaways. 759 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: And maybe build a job you like. 760 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: Wh when typ hits a million listens a week, maybe 761 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 2: you can buy me some ee surgery. Though for my 762 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 2: Christmas bonus, I. 763 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: Don't even see the eye think I'm looking, but maybe 764 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: it's because you've got to filter onto you really, thanks everything, 765 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: all right everyone, love your guts