Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.
Speaker 1: Detective see a side of life the average person is
Speaker 1: never exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop.
Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.
Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a
Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.
Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories
Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw
Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talked to. Some
Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because
Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.
Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Part two of the Eye Catch Killers
Speaker 1: Christmas Special. Yes, I'm a bit tired trying to keep
Speaker 1: up with Eloise and Rob Carlton, but Part two was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We actually went into the interview room,
Speaker 1: had a few laugh talked to some serious stuff and
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy and have a merry Christmas.
Speaker 2: All right, friends, welcome back to the second half of
Speaker 2: the very special Christmas edition of Eye Catch Killers with
Speaker 2: Gary Jublin and Elouise Eftos and I'm the other guest host,
Speaker 2: Rob Carlton, just quickly. So it's a Christmas special which
Speaker 2: takes me to the first solo show I did. The
Speaker 2: opening story was a beautiful Christmas story where two cousins
Speaker 2: ended up having the most intimateive relations And that's the
Speaker 2: sneakiest segue I can get to show promotions. So, as
Speaker 2: I said, I met Elouise earlier this year, She's had
Speaker 2: the most extraordinary run of her show, Australia's first attractive comedian.
Speaker 2: She's won all sorts of awards. She went over to Edinburgh,
Speaker 2: had a sold out run. For those of you that
Speaker 2: know Edinburgh, you know what extraordinary feat that is. She
Speaker 2: got nominated I believe the first Australian to be nominated,
Speaker 2: as first Australian woman to be nominated as Best Newcomer.
Speaker 2: Just be creatively huge, pade all of those things. So, Elouise,
Speaker 2: You've got a news show coming next year, tell us
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: So I've got a new show. Also a few encores
Speaker 3: of my debut show which is which is exciting for
Speaker 3: anyone that missed it. So I'll be doing the encore
Speaker 3: of Australia's First Attractive Comedian. Will the debut in New
Speaker 3: York City if you have any listeners in New York
Speaker 3: in March.
Speaker 2: New York City is a city in America.
Speaker 3: City in America, the city that Never sleeps, the Big
Speaker 3: Apple you'll call it. Oh yeah, sorry, I can't see
Speaker 3: it in New York. You'll have to come to Hoe
Speaker 3: Bar so fifth to the fifteenth. I'll be doing Australia's
Speaker 3: First Attractive Comedian there. I'm also doing sorry, another encore
Speaker 3: in Adelaide, Adelaide Free and I'll be doing it on
Speaker 3: core of it, as well as the work in progress
Speaker 3: of my new show, which I don't know exactly what
Speaker 3: it's going to be called yet, but I'll be touring
Speaker 3: my new show, The Ill debut in Melbourne at Melbourne
Speaker 3: Comedy Festival the last two weeks and then I will
Speaker 3: tour it all around Sydney Brisbane. I'll also be going
Speaker 3: to New Zealand if we have any follows New Zealand,
Speaker 3: and then also to probably Canberra, I hope, because I
Speaker 3: do love can great audiences there and and Perth obviously
Speaker 3: got to go to the hometown. And then I'll be
Speaker 3: taking it overseas to Edinburgh and Oncooring as well. Australia's
Speaker 3: as Attractive Comeditis. It's going to be an interesting year.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be doing both shows, sort of tag
Speaker 3: teaming them at the same time. But yeah, really excited.
Speaker 3: The new show is about how I've never been in
Speaker 3: love and I don't know if it's real and it's
Speaker 3: a little bit we're talking to Rob a little bit
Speaker 3: about it and it's sort of, yeah, the part two
Speaker 3: of my first show and sort of is playing the
Speaker 3: persona stopping me from finding love? Or is being a
Speaker 3: strong woman on stage?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it? Like you know, yeah? Is it intimidating?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: There's a lot of questions I want to ask, Yeah,
Speaker 3: is it you know, to do with my own conditioning,
Speaker 3: you know, having Greek heritage and the working title currently radiety,
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing, that's the thing. But I'm going
Speaker 3: you know, is it these traditional values that we get
Speaker 3: taught and trying to be first? And then also, you know,
Speaker 3: Vogue just said having a boyfriend's embarrassing. So I'm trying
Speaker 3: to figure out what as a single woman, what's one
Speaker 3: of my one of my options and yeah, so that
Speaker 3: that's sort of what the new shows about. It should
Speaker 3: it should get very very silly. I sing and dance
Speaker 3: and play different characters in my shows as well as
Speaker 3: doing stand up, so it's going to be it should
Speaker 3: be very fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're trying to find out why you can't
Speaker 1: find love. Well, just you couldn't really do a show like.
Speaker 3: That, either of you could. I'm going I swear, well,
Speaker 3: you've obviously found I.
Speaker 2: Found love, but I did lose my virginity very late.
Speaker 2: So it swings around the defense. I lost my virginity
Speaker 2: when I was eighteen, and people go, go, do you
Speaker 2: think that's late?
Speaker 3: I'm going, I was late later than you.
Speaker 1: This is what I catch killers is about people revealing.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is that.
Speaker 3: It's an amazing ability to get this.
Speaker 2: I was saving myself for someone that wanted to do
Speaker 2: it with me now.
Speaker 3: That moment.
Speaker 2: So for those listeners out there, what I would say
Speaker 2: about Elawez's show, I'd get in on the ground floor.
Speaker 2: A young woman. She's got all these different skills. When
Speaker 2: she says she does characters, she does sing, she's an
Speaker 2: extraordinary sing, extraordinary characters. It's because it's that character actor work.
Speaker 2: It's also her shows to my eye, certainly Australia's first
Speaker 2: attractive comedian was predicated on some really interesting thinking. And
Speaker 2: then it's one thing for a comedian to have that
Speaker 2: interesting thinking, but then how to turn it funny. That's
Speaker 2: where the magic happens. So I'm really interested in seeing
Speaker 2: where you go with this next show.
Speaker 3: This is also what is so scary. It's like this
Speaker 3: this next show is about I guess me wanting to
Speaker 3: be more vulnerable with the audience, which is the first
Speaker 3: show is like I'm too hot to do comedy and
Speaker 3: the response that I got and it's quite staunch and
Speaker 3: sort of me going, you know, this is a feminist
Speaker 3: this is an act of it's like a political statement
Speaker 3: me doing this on stage and being a confident woman
Speaker 3: on stage in Australia. Heaven forbid, you know. But then
Speaker 3: this next show, I guess is it's about me being
Speaker 3: wanting to be vulnerable with the audience and I guess
Speaker 3: me wanting to be vulnerable in relationships and like, is
Speaker 3: that what? You know? That that's sort of it's all, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of layers, you know.
Speaker 2: And then so but with all of that how do
Speaker 2: you find the funny?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and how do you make it funny? It's
Speaker 3: quite sad that the amount of work I'm doing on
Speaker 3: it now, it's almost quite it's quite sad, but I
Speaker 3: am not sad in the way of like, oh my lord,
Speaker 3: but it just a bit there's moments where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: that is a really like sad revelation. Or you know,
Speaker 3: I listened to a lot of music when I write shows,
Speaker 3: and this theme of this show is very much in
Speaker 3: the disco sort of like that free that sort of
Speaker 3: disco fifty four or five. Yeah, a little bit more
Speaker 3: like I want to talk about, you know, these these
Speaker 3: things like you know, why are men scared of dancing?
Speaker 3: But no, just these like silly questions of you know,
Speaker 3: even the way the world's going modern dating everything. It's
Speaker 3: a little bit I think for women, we've been told
Speaker 3: to be independent and like, you know, which is great,
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, is it bad
Speaker 3: that I still want love from a man? Is that
Speaker 3: like a bad thing? Is that something that am I
Speaker 3: pathetic for wanting that? Or a man going to meet
Speaker 3: me in that space? Or are we going to are
Speaker 3: we splitting apart? Is that the way the world's going.
Speaker 1: You take that into into humor and I look, I
Speaker 1: do the research. I know it's only two hours a
Speaker 1: day recording time. I love, I love sometimes I have
Speaker 1: to read three books for one guest.
Speaker 3: Because you've not a good point.
Speaker 1: Watch every TV show you've appeared on.
Speaker 3: That stand up to watch all of those.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make the point, like I do research,
Speaker 1: and your stuff is funny. I really I was watching it,
Speaker 1: and I thoroughly respect Rob's opinion because generally he lets
Speaker 1: me know when someone's performing around here because he needs
Speaker 1: a place to stay that normally comes with a ticket,
Speaker 1: and I offer him a bit beaut like I want
Speaker 1: to ask you to. I want to ask you to
Speaker 1: stand up comedy. I reckon that would have to be
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to do. And I'm comfortable talking on stage,
Speaker 1: but I can take it to heavy stuff. I could
Speaker 1: entertain people about making them laugh. But if I thinking
Speaker 1: I've got to get up there and make them laugh,
Speaker 1: I sit there and I feel nervous for you guys. YEA, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get nervous before.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. There's a part of me that I mean I
Speaker 3: sort of delve into in my show that it was
Speaker 3: a bucket list thing because I think I always was.
Speaker 3: I love comedy. I think it's an incredible art form.
Speaker 3: It's like magic. When you watch someone do comedy, it's like,
Speaker 3: how the hell are they doing? For me? I was
Speaker 3: in awe of it. But I was an actor, and
Speaker 3: I was I studied film and journalism. I never thought
Speaker 3: that I would do comedy. I was always that was
Speaker 3: the backup, and then I was going to do acting.
Speaker 3: I trained as a singer and a dancer, you know,
Speaker 3: and then but with comedy was stand up. It was
Speaker 3: something that I started m seeing these shows. I was
Speaker 3: a cabaret. I was dancing in cabarets, and it was
Speaker 3: like a bit of a sexy cabaret vibe and a
Speaker 3: bit of burlesque in it and stuff. And I was
Speaker 3: the MC. And I realized that I felt this power
Speaker 3: almost being this woman that was, you know, wearing a
Speaker 3: sexy dress or like laundry and almost being like you
Speaker 3: can't touch us up here, and making people laugh almost
Speaker 3: by being this powerful woman that you would have seen
Speaker 3: the way that I am on stage is very I'm
Speaker 3: untouchable or that I you know, I'm better than you.
Speaker 3: And there was something so fun and empowering about that,
Speaker 3: and the joke started to just come just this, yeah,
Speaker 3: this person, this persona which almost like she's like an affirmation,
Speaker 3: and then it's almost I don't think this is gonna
Speaker 3: sound so bad, probably if other committees listen to it,
Speaker 3: but I don't think it will give me enough credit
Speaker 3: out how hard it is to do that style of comedy,
Speaker 3: because comedy is hard. But if you can fall on
Speaker 3: your sword and go, oh, I don't like this about myself,
Speaker 3: people go ha ha, you know, or they go oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a bit of a loser, and
Speaker 3: people will laugh because they it's almost like this they
Speaker 3: feel I don't want to say sorry for you, but
Speaker 3: it is an easier way to make people laugh. If
Speaker 3: you fall on your sword, you're like the clown, you're
Speaker 3: the jester. But I'm doing the opposite, where I'm sort
Speaker 3: of trying to make people laugh by saying I think
Speaker 3: I'm better than you, and what are.
Speaker 1: You going to do?
Speaker 3: They can laugh at you with it then, and even
Speaker 3: then people still sometimes it goes over their head. But
Speaker 3: I also think that the message of what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say, I hope that it makes people think and go,
Speaker 3: oh god, you know, maybe I am being a bit
Speaker 3: sexist or a little bit, you know, projecting my own
Speaker 3: insecurities onto this woman on stage who's talking about a
Speaker 3: certain thing. And yeah, if I can make people laugh
Speaker 3: while I do that, it is a nerve wrecking thing.
Speaker 3: And sometimes they don't laugh and you have to get
Speaker 3: over it. And I can't back down. I can't do
Speaker 3: my joke and then go that's the thing about doing
Speaker 3: high status. I can't not make them laugh and then
Speaker 3: be like, actually, I'm just joking. I actually really like
Speaker 3: you guys, and I don't think this about myself because
Speaker 3: that is the beauty. Yeah, undercustry what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: There's so much for the stage presence. And I learned
Speaker 1: a lot from you on that. Oh yeah, like I
Speaker 1: can laugh at someone talking about sharpening a pencil. You're
Speaker 1: doing it with confidence and incredible example that holding the
Speaker 1: space and just waiting for it and then the punchline comes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still and you know what, I'm still learning
Speaker 3: how to hold space. And I think I learned it.
Speaker 3: I was saying to Rob on the phone the other day.
Speaker 3: I learned that, you know, with my show, not just
Speaker 3: with my show, but even just doing stand up spots,
Speaker 3: like just gigs around and just not letting the silence
Speaker 3: get to me because I feel like there was there's
Speaker 3: times where you would even see it in my in
Speaker 3: my set or in my show. There's like a joke.
Speaker 3: I like to fill the space because I think that's
Speaker 3: just me as a person. I want to I want
Speaker 3: to make sure I'm not making them laugh every minute,
Speaker 3: you know, every second. But you also there's something about
Speaker 3: holding them and then the tension and then letting it out,
Speaker 3: and that for me is also more more rewarding. But
Speaker 3: I'm still getting used to it. It's scary.
Speaker 1: It is scary, but I think I if I'm talking,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing the talk, I know, if I'm holding
Speaker 1: the pace of it, yes, that's when I'm at my best.
Speaker 1: If I'm I'm going to get this done, got to
Speaker 1: get totally. But when I say something and you're the
Speaker 1: best out of rob you just you say something and
Speaker 1: you just sit with it and the audience that they're going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you know what I mean, he's the mask,
Speaker 3: He's a master, whereas I mean I'm still learning how
Speaker 3: to do it. I also think that sometimes off these
Speaker 3: moments were like watching yourself. You know on stage, I'm
Speaker 3: not in my body. I need to get back into
Speaker 3: my body. But that's I think also a bit of
Speaker 3: an acting thing. You've been doing it for so long
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything after you guys said I was
Speaker 2: the master.
Speaker 1: You want to you want to a little bit just.
Speaker 2: Into that a little further.
Speaker 3: I was going to say sorry, and then I'm speaking
Speaker 3: of the master. We're going to talk about yours as well.
Speaker 2: Well, since you bring it up, I must so, yeah,
Speaker 2: gentle listener. So my last show is four True Stories.
Speaker 2: So my plugs are kind of funny. Basically, I've got
Speaker 2: a brand news show. It's called Virgin in a Knife Fight.
Speaker 3: Watch the name alone.
Speaker 2: It's Virgin in a knife Fight. It's four true stories.
Speaker 2: The first story is when I was a virgin in
Speaker 2: a knife fight. All I will say about that is
Speaker 2: that it's fair to say I was underprepared. I was
Speaker 2: what kind of knife fight? We talking, Well, virgins are
Speaker 2: really prepared for knife fights. Man, if you were to
Speaker 2: line up all the virgins that have been in knife fights,
Speaker 2: I'd say most of us wouldn't have would have been underprepared.
Speaker 2: And so and the other three stories are not about that,
Speaker 2: because I then grow up. But it's a show about
Speaker 2: being underprepared. It's a show about being surprised, about being sideswiped.
Speaker 2: And they're all true stories. And so as a results,
Speaker 2: I was eighteen. Look all I'll say about that moment,
Speaker 2: the moment where I did lose my visage. I was
Speaker 2: a little underprepared for that as welled, So there was
Speaker 2: so and then anyway, I tell three more stories. But
Speaker 2: as of course you get older, the things that surprise
Speaker 2: you are of a different nature. So that first surprise
Speaker 2: was an outward worldly thing coming at me, and like,
Speaker 2: oh dear, as we get older, sometimes surprises come from within.
Speaker 2: Sometimes surprises come from saying we've done to ourselves, and
Speaker 2: sometimes surprises come from a wa wacky, wacky world that
Speaker 2: just is a surprising place. So I've got four true stories.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get around the country, premiering in
Speaker 2: Perth January twenty one. Then I've got eight days at
Speaker 2: the State Theater Center there. I then do Albany and Mandras,
Speaker 2: a little Western Australian tour. I come back to New
Speaker 2: South Wales Brunswick Picture House. Shout out to you, cost
Speaker 2: Jeddy Theater, shout out of Vocer Beach a Voker Beach Theater,
Speaker 2: my hometown. That's all in March. Can't wait to do that.
Speaker 2: We're doing Canberra Comedy Festival, Newcastle Fringe, then we're doing
Speaker 2: Adelaide Fringe. It's going to be mad, it's going to beautiful.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see you out there. Yes, and
Speaker 2: then after Adelaide Fringe, we've also got Melbourne Comedy Festival.
Speaker 2: All those tickets will be on sale by December fifth.
Speaker 2: There's a whole stack on sale right now. Where my
Speaker 2: show and you're talking about stand up comedy before, where
Speaker 2: my show is different. It's not stand up comedy. I
Speaker 2: tell true stories, so it's a little more theatrical. I
Speaker 2: like to describe it as you'll get the laughs without
Speaker 2: the anxiety. The stand up thing is a bit a
Speaker 2: but all of this and then we've done this and
Speaker 2: get back and put the focus back on to Jubes
Speaker 2: because as a stack Moore questions of yours that I
Speaker 2: want to get to. But it's then come out of
Speaker 2: these true stories I write. For a storytelling night that
Speaker 2: my wife and I host are on the Central Coast
Speaker 2: at Gosford, the last Sunday of every month. That's called
Speaker 2: Brave Words Life, True Stories Told Well. We invite guests
Speaker 2: to tell stories. My wife and I write a story
Speaker 2: and it's simply this a true story. Now, the stories
Speaker 2: don't have to be funny, they have to be true
Speaker 2: and told well. They're about thirteen minutes long. So we're
Speaker 2: also releasing the podcast of that next week, so have
Speaker 2: a Google around of that. It's going to be called
Speaker 2: Brave Words the Podcast. And from that, what you'll get
Speaker 2: is stories from people that you might have heard of,
Speaker 2: some people with a profile. The engine room of this
Speaker 2: show will come from the incredible stories we've got from
Speaker 2: our community, from people that have done some writing classes
Speaker 2: with my wife, people that have just written a beautiful
Speaker 2: story and sent it to us, and these stories. When
Speaker 2: a community gets together and has the bravery to share
Speaker 2: stories and listen to stories, it's a closer community. It's
Speaker 2: easier to imagine the hardship others are going through. Gary,
Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you this, man, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people doing it tough, real tough.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of power in telling stories,
Speaker 1: and that's why I like the forum of podcasts like
Speaker 1: you're going in the media, and I've worked in all aspects,
Speaker 1: all different aspects of media. People ask what I do now,
Speaker 1: and I sort of how do I describe what I do?
Speaker 1: Or what do you do? And I like to think
Speaker 1: I'm a storyteller and letting people tell stories. And I
Speaker 1: love telling stories or hearing people stories, and the stand
Speaker 1: up comedy space or even in not even but the
Speaker 1: way you do it and the way you do it,
Speaker 1: it just stimulates, doesn't it. It's really good to sit
Speaker 1: down and get to get a piece of that.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back into some things now. During
Speaker 2: the break, Yellowise and I were talking about some of
Speaker 2: the prestigures that occur as detective and she said to him,
Speaker 2: and she said, man, it's Gary. He seems like a
Speaker 2: really nice guy. I can't imagine him being a.
Speaker 3: Guy no way.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, you haven't seen him interrogate somewhere, so I
Speaker 2: thought we might jump into that space for the least.
Speaker 1: Now we want to play this one, Okay, an interrogation, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I reckon, you have to be the suspect, Yeah, suspect. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, there's something about him, there is something.
Speaker 3: I mean that Daily Mail article.
Speaker 1: I saw that article, Rob. I didn't bring it to
Speaker 1: your attention because I wanted to protect you.
Speaker 2: Jacobson didn't want to protect He said it straight to me,
Speaker 2: along with the message, mate, you should see what they've
Speaker 2: written about me specifically over the year. Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, so let's hypothetical. Rob's the Robs the suspect.
Speaker 1: We've just talked about your two shows. You're both put
Speaker 1: in on a show at let's say m More Theater.
Speaker 2: Terrific. Wow, that's been beautiful. Yeah, listen to me sell out.
Speaker 1: On a Saturday night, Rob's driving along and he gets
Speaker 1: stopped by a uniform please, and they get him out,
Speaker 1: search his car and they find a bag of cannabis.
Speaker 1: Let's say so that that's that's the crime that we're
Speaker 1: dealing with. Not a huge crime, Yeah, it's a crime.
Speaker 1: I'll be the local detective sergeant. Okay, you can be
Speaker 1: the detective senior constable.
Speaker 3: So I love this for me.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, how long has she been on the job
Speaker 2: for She got from very early into detectives.
Speaker 1: She's probably detective senior constable at least five or six years.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yes, ready, and I've got yeah I'm going.
Speaker 2: If I make a run for it, Rob, tell me
Speaker 2: where I am? Am I cuffed?
Speaker 1: Just let me get the book at first?
Speaker 2: Am I cuffed?
Speaker 1: Not yet?
Speaker 3: So please remain in your vehicle.
Speaker 1: That's good. No, but you're not there yet. We've been
Speaker 1: called out. Uniform police have stopped Rob.
Speaker 2: You're practicing your lines on the way there.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean.
Speaker 1: I've rung rung you, and you've said there's bloke. He's
Speaker 1: been there, found some drugs in his car. He's been arrested.
Speaker 1: Uniform blokes are too busy to deal with it, so
Speaker 1: we need to.
Speaker 3: We've been there's uniform blokes are always too bloody busy,
Speaker 3: aren't they? This is my character.
Speaker 1: So what we do? I get called out? Ye, I've
Speaker 1: called out detective Senior Constable Foss and we're on the
Speaker 1: way to Newtown Police station. You're at Newtown, you're.
Speaker 2: Going to arrests, carry jubil and we're a lot.
Speaker 1: So what we do. We've got Rob Carlton and everyone's
Speaker 1: got a weakness. And that's what I think before I
Speaker 1: go into an interview room, what's their weakness? And I
Speaker 1: look at Rob and I'm saying he's not is he
Speaker 1: like he's not. There's something you know what we call
Speaker 1: him in the cops, like soft head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we call them, a.
Speaker 1: Bit of a soft head. But what's his weakness? What
Speaker 1: we call them, that's what we call him.
Speaker 2: That is what you call them animals?
Speaker 1: Yeah, soft head. So there's two ways of approaching Rob.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to find his weakness. Look in his background,
Speaker 1: because they're printed out his background that he was an
Speaker 1: actor and all that sort of stuff. So yeah, reasonably successful.
Speaker 1: I guess what's so I'll try it first, Like we
Speaker 1: work out different ways of breaking this person. See what
Speaker 1: he's got.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've got a weakness. I think you're stuffed.
Speaker 1: I come in, I come into the interview room first,
Speaker 1: and Rob.
Speaker 2: Calton Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly we could. I don't
Speaker 2: know why they've made I was just driving on King Street.
Speaker 2: This is sure you got more important, Rob.
Speaker 1: Carp And I was just asking is that your name?
Speaker 2: Su Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm Detective Sergeant Garry Dublin. Now I've been
Speaker 1: called out by the uniform police. Your car has been
Speaker 1: pulled over in King Street in search of the car
Speaker 1: found the bag of canvas.
Speaker 2: Like I said to honestly, mate, no idea, no idea.
Speaker 1: Just stop there for a moment. So you're just I'm walking,
Speaker 1: you're you're just coming into Yeah, you've arrived. Take a seat.
Speaker 1: Jesus is constant concentrate. So we're in the interview room.
Speaker 1: I introduce you. Now. This is Detective Senior Constable Eloise.
Speaker 3: Detective Senior Constable after us. Hello, mister Carton.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm the experience detective. We've got him in
Speaker 1: the room. Now we're out of the room. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say we're going to have to exploit his weaknesses.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got a weakness. I'm thinking this soft head that's
Speaker 1: his vanity.
Speaker 3: God, he is a soft head. He looks pretty vain
Speaker 3: thinking about him a bit of a Yeah. Those actors
Speaker 3: all are, aren't they They're all of it.
Speaker 1: Let me have a chop at him first.
Speaker 3: No please, no, no no, absolutely.
Speaker 1: It doesn't doesn't work, I reckon. The other thing is
Speaker 1: you be susceptible to your approach? Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: You saw him on that white lad. What a creep
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 3: What a creepy? People? Too much getting there?
Speaker 1: All right? Rob Carlton, Yeah, you're the actor, aren't you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen you in so many different shapes. Incredible.
Speaker 2: What was it? What was your favorite?
Speaker 1: Oh, when you played Kerry Packer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look I loved I mean, obviously a real
Speaker 2: honor to be playing a business icon.
Speaker 1: You you won a LOGI for that, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, mate, I did, I did, I did. I
Speaker 2: got nominated for a few other ones as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, congratulations, you're getting a sense. He's just he's but
Speaker 1: now I'm going to flip it on him.
Speaker 2: So that tough. It was a tough role out carry.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you realize what you're here for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, certain plog down there has just gotten all
Speaker 2: out a hand.
Speaker 1: I was just that was Senior Constable Bowden. He's been
Speaker 1: in the police for ten years. He's are you referring
Speaker 1: to the police officer at the rest?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good bloke, now you mention it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was all right.
Speaker 1: He had his police dog Spike.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Those dogs were certainly showing out.
Speaker 1: Interesting anyway, let's get back to it. The cannabis in
Speaker 1: your car is that yours?
Speaker 2: No? Absolutely not, never seen it before in my life.
Speaker 1: Is that your car that you're driving?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I didn't steal the car.
Speaker 1: Detective, You've got to set the keys to the car. Yep,
Speaker 1: you realize where the car has beens stopped at the
Speaker 1: moment we're doing the forensic examination, the car clearly hasn't
Speaker 1: been broken into it. So who else has access to
Speaker 1: the vehicle? If that, if that bag of cannabis is
Speaker 1: not yours? Who else has access to the cannabis?
Speaker 2: I mean my wife of kids.
Speaker 1: Okay, So your wife and kids drive the car.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying to do?
Speaker 1: Okay? And you're telling me that cannabis is not theirs.
Speaker 2: They're definitely not theirs and not yours, not mine either, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know how it got there.
Speaker 1: Well, mister Carton, this is how we're going to play this, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm going to send uniform police around to your house
Speaker 1: at the moment, and we're going to wake up your
Speaker 1: wife and inform her that you're under arrest. We'll also
Speaker 1: how are you boys? Okay, Well, they're.
Speaker 2: Adults and the lord.
Speaker 1: There's only four people who have got access to the vehicle.
Speaker 1: There's a bag of cannabis in there. You're telling me
Speaker 1: that that cannabis is not yours? I don't care if
Speaker 1: I'm charging you, your wife, or either of your two sons,
Speaker 1: but clearly someone owns the cannabis.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to need to bring her
Speaker 2: in at this point. I know we'd said it up,
Speaker 2: but I did, like once you got to dipping my
Speaker 2: wife and charl Spike.
Speaker 3: I am a real detective, mister Carton, and I actually
Speaker 3: resent the fact that you think I resent the fact
Speaker 3: that you think I shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2: No, I was, That's not what that is.
Speaker 1: What did you assume I was a senior person. She
Speaker 1: was a junior person.
Speaker 3: That's actually quite sexist of you, mister Carlton. No, because
Speaker 3: I just a bit of a method acting sort of.
Speaker 2: Look, thanks for mentioning. I did actually get right into it.
Speaker 3: Well, I would like to know is there sort of
Speaker 3: a magical marijuana fairy that is putting this cannabis in
Speaker 3: your car? Because who would own? Who would be putting
Speaker 3: it into your car? Should we be calling your sons?
Speaker 3: Your wife?
Speaker 2: This is at this hour, this is awful.
Speaker 3: Everyone's vulnerableable.
Speaker 1: You could you could approached this with I reckon. I
Speaker 1: can't do what you could do, but I reckon if
Speaker 1: if you was that good? But if you lean in
Speaker 1: the Rob, we can make this girl away. Rob, you
Speaker 1: just you just got to tell the truth. Just tell
Speaker 1: the truth. You'll be charged. You're probably wondering what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I can't promise you bail. Let's out of
Speaker 1: my control. But I imagine in my experience, you probably
Speaker 1: would get BA and you'll be home with your wife
Speaker 1: and kids.
Speaker 3: See that's not that's a warm that's good, cap.
Speaker 2: You're cop.
Speaker 1: Let's let's assume he's a blake the character he played
Speaker 1: on White Ladies just come in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, if I was to do that one.
Speaker 2: So let's do it that. We're just so you interview
Speaker 2: me like you just did and try and use my
Speaker 2: wife and kids, and I'll be that guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, focus, Rob, we can make this problem go away.
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's not a problem for me. You
Speaker 2: can go, it can stay.
Speaker 1: You don't care. Well, I've already explained to you the
Speaker 1: cannabas is in your car. I've had a forensic examination
Speaker 1: on your vehicle.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not the only person that can get into
Speaker 2: the car. That's your wife and two children. That's right.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that it's not.
Speaker 2: Yours, so it's not mine.
Speaker 1: So you're happy for me to send police around to
Speaker 1: your home now and speak to your wife and your
Speaker 1: two children.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if it's a pot, we better get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, if that's the way you want to play.
Speaker 3: It, mister Carlton. Look, we've got a lot. We'd like
Speaker 3: to go home ourselves.
Speaker 2: We're really too Okay, it's at the same spot.
Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely not. This is this is a bit much,
Speaker 3: mister Carlton. I resent the fact that you would pin
Speaker 3: your your cannibal.
Speaker 1: Okay, none of your business, your business, Okay, answer the question.
Speaker 3: Answer the questions, mate.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: It's hard to interview.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that the question is.
Speaker 2: Harder to Is it hard to interview people with no.
Speaker 1: In the interview room. You can set the you set
Speaker 1: the tone, whether it's you keep it light because that
Speaker 1: might be the best way you try to make that
Speaker 1: make that connection, or you can intimidate through your professionalism.
Speaker 1: But what you never let them do, I think is
Speaker 1: see that they get you rattled. You've always you own
Speaker 1: the interview room. You're going to control the interview room.
Speaker 1: If you come in and it looks like they're getting
Speaker 1: the better of you. You cut it the moment that
Speaker 1: you as you strength, the moment you see if I'm rattle,
Speaker 1: say no, matter what you say, it's poker face and
Speaker 1: not going to give you anything. I'll give you emotion
Speaker 1: if I think it's going to help. Like exploiting your
Speaker 1: vanities and saying.
Speaker 2: That's the third time you've said that.
Speaker 1: You told me I had to say it for otherwise
Speaker 1: we weren't coming on that podcast.
Speaker 2: It's just a vanity stuff. I mean, I know it's there,
Speaker 2: but you know, I obsessed. I'm going to jump back
Speaker 2: into another question. Yes, you've got so many questions from
Speaker 2: your podcast. Do you prefer interviewing the cops or the crims? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's interesting the police. Sometimes I like to
Speaker 1: fall back into the world of policing because it's something
Speaker 1: that was a part of for a very long time.
Speaker 1: But I know I know a lot of cops, so
Speaker 1: for a new experience speaking to speaking to the criminals,
Speaker 1: it's quite interesting because I sit opposite people that I
Speaker 1: never thought i'd get a chance to sit opposite and
Speaker 1: have conversations with them, and these people that, yeah, we
Speaker 1: basically are chene meets for our whole career, and now
Speaker 1: I can sit down and we find common ground and
Speaker 1: I quite quite enjoy it. But diversity, I think with
Speaker 1: a podcast, and I know you laugh when I say
Speaker 1: two hours a week is a lot of work, but
Speaker 1: it's interesting with the diversity. I think with a podcast,
Speaker 1: we're done over five hundred episodes now, and you've got
Speaker 1: to mix up the guests. I can't. If I spake
Speaker 1: to just all cops the whole time, I'd get bored
Speaker 1: with it. If I spake the crooks, I'd get bored
Speaker 1: with it. So diversity is the thing that the thing
Speaker 1: I joined.
Speaker 2: I saw a post the other day. It was a
Speaker 2: super tough, rough looking guy. He used to be a
Speaker 2: sergeant in arms with an agent Bucky Gang doing that
Speaker 2: thing where he was standing in front of me and
Speaker 2: he was just saying and he was talking a million
Speaker 2: miles an hour, and he's like, man, I just this happened,
Speaker 2: and this happened. I just want everyone to know that
Speaker 2: this is no good and that doesn't play out the
Speaker 2: way then oh my life and all of that, and
Speaker 2: you just I was so pleased for this fellow. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: that was a life. Yeah, right, because that's not always
Speaker 2: given in that line of work, and that then he
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I made a stack of
Speaker 2: bad choices and now I'm trying to make them better.
Speaker 2: How do we help a guy like that try and
Speaker 2: get that information to the younger people that are that
Speaker 2: are having a tough time because a lot of people
Speaker 2: in your experience to most people realize at some point
Speaker 2: that being that criminal or there's a violence to the
Speaker 2: way you're making your money. Do most people figure it
Speaker 2: out that it's not the way to go out there?
Speaker 1: There's usually there's some of the career criminals and or
Speaker 1: inherently bad that not going to change. But that's a
Speaker 1: small percentage. You know, the psychos are the ones that
Speaker 1: need to be taken off the street. It's probably ten
Speaker 1: percent of the criminal world. There's a lot that will
Speaker 1: choose the life of crime because that's they don't see
Speaker 1: there's a bad thing that's their career. I put that
Speaker 1: sort of twenty thirty percent of the type of criminals.
Speaker 1: Then you've got that roughly sixty seventy percent of people
Speaker 1: that have made mistakes. Circumstances have steered them down the path.
Speaker 1: They've made mistakes they're the ones that I think we
Speaker 1: could change, and I think good role models. I love
Speaker 1: the stories of redemption with the criminals that have turned
Speaker 1: their life around, and I think that messaging needs to
Speaker 1: get out to the younger boys and girls that oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't the way to go, This isn't the life
Speaker 1: you want to live. Look, this is what I did.
Speaker 1: I spent twenty years locked up. That's not what you
Speaker 1: want to do. So I think that messaging needs to
Speaker 1: get out. That's where we can make the difference. Jails.
Speaker 1: I did that Breaking Badness series where I went into
Speaker 1: the maximum security prison and that was a real eye opener.
Speaker 1: And they were treating maximum security prisoners with more giving
Speaker 1: them more sense of responsibility, allowing them to integrate back
Speaker 1: into society. Because that to reduce recidivism rate. I reckon
Speaker 1: that should be the benchmark for the way prisons. Prisons
Speaker 1: are run. It was such a healthy environment in that
Speaker 1: the prisoners were prepared or being prepared to come back
Speaker 1: out and integrate in this society. And it's not getting
Speaker 1: soft on prisoners. They had to work, I think it
Speaker 1: was six hours a day and then study six hours
Speaker 1: a day, and then they get one day off a week,
Speaker 1: but it was a built self esteem. They all lived
Speaker 1: in a dorm, Like twenty five maximum prisoners in a dorm,
Speaker 1: all living in there. I thought it would be a bloodbath,
Speaker 1: but they realize this is their chance to turn their
Speaker 1: life around. And I met quite a few impressive people
Speaker 1: in prison, and some have reached out to me since
Speaker 1: they've been out of prison and I'm catching up with
Speaker 1: them and I like, what the what they're doing?
Speaker 3: Wow, amazing. So I've got I'm going to ask a
Speaker 3: question here from Chad. What's the worst case you have
Speaker 3: dealt with in your career as a homicide detective.
Speaker 1: List? There's a list like any time a life has
Speaker 1: been taken, it's horrendous and the impact that it has.
Speaker 1: It's a ripple effect with homicide, So one person is killed,
Speaker 1: but the amount of lives that are destroyed following on
Speaker 1: from that. Me personally, ones that I do a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of I call them short term homicides
Speaker 1: where you get called out, you're the on call team,
Speaker 1: you investigate it, you might be involved in it for
Speaker 1: a very long time. So the ones that stick with
Speaker 1: me personally, the ones that I've been caught up with
Speaker 1: for a long time, obviously the bower of all one
Speaker 1: people who've listened to the podcasts of three Aboriginal children,
Speaker 1: Colin and Evelyn and Clinton who were murdered. The case
Speaker 1: that cost me my career, the William Tyrell case, I
Speaker 1: think is disgraceful. What's happened. I ran it for four years,
Speaker 1: it's now been going for five or six years since,
Speaker 1: and we've still got no answers.
Speaker 2: In fact, Brooksy Smith, one of your listeners, wants to know,
Speaker 2: do you still lose sleep over that matter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too dramatic to say a toss and turn.
Speaker 1: It's weighs heavily on my mind. I think lives have
Speaker 1: been damaged and destroyed and we still haven't got answers.
Speaker 1: And I say it every time I have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to say publicly, think there should be an inquiry about
Speaker 1: the William Tyrell matter, whether that's a parliamentary inquiry or
Speaker 1: a public inquiry, and let's find the truth out about
Speaker 1: what's what's happened on that investigation, because I certainly don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with what I've seen go on for the
Speaker 1: past six years.
Speaker 3: All Right, I just say, well, there's so many good questions,
Speaker 3: but let's lead with the question. Okay, sorry, this is
Speaker 3: the one because I think this is quite interesting. How
Speaker 3: do you because god, it would be hard not to
Speaker 3: feel personally attached to some of these cases. But how
Speaker 3: do you get over it when you know this is
Speaker 3: from ROMPA? How do you get over it when you
Speaker 3: know someone is guilty of murder is not convicted at trial?
Speaker 3: Is Is that really hard?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it happens. I get over it personally if I
Speaker 1: think myself and my team wherever I'm saying, oh, you're
Speaker 1: working in the team homicide, if we've done everything that
Speaker 1: can be done, then you've got to accept the decision.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it would destroy you and people mentors that I
Speaker 1: looked up to taught me that you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: carry the weight of the result of the court matters.
Speaker 1: The only thing you can control is doing everything that
Speaker 1: you can so you can let it go and you
Speaker 1: still think about it. That can piss you off. I
Speaker 1: know people are involved in murders of the walking the street.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but that's the system we've got
Speaker 1: and you've got to accept it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I've got a question around your interview guests, Right, it's
Speaker 2: extraordinary what you've done with regards to trying to bridge
Speaker 2: that gap between the cops and the crimps, if you
Speaker 2: want to put it like that, and certainly looking at
Speaker 2: that salvation story, of the redemption story that you really like,
Speaker 2: I think we can also agree and only a naive
Speaker 2: child wouldn't believe this, is that a lot of the
Speaker 2: people in this space are sociopathic, super bright, very manipulative.
Speaker 2: Have you ever gone into an interview felt in the
Speaker 2: moment that it had been going well that this person's
Speaker 2: turned a new leaf, they've got a new direction that
Speaker 2: is society focused, and then come away from that and
Speaker 2: suddenly felt the slick, filthy slide of yuck on you
Speaker 2: as you've fallen under the spell of a sociopath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to think that as a police officer,
Speaker 1: as long as I was and doing the type of
Speaker 1: work I was, I had a good rad After that,
Speaker 1: I'm out of the police now, and it's a different
Speaker 1: dynamics when I'm sitting opposite someone and talking in terms
Speaker 1: of guess there was one on that I had doubts
Speaker 1: about just had a bad energy. And I've had murderers
Speaker 1: on and all sorts of things. I can read people,
Speaker 1: and there was one person that I thought had a
Speaker 1: bad energy. You wouldn't have listened to listen to the
Speaker 1: podcast because we didn't play it a record.
Speaker 2: Lovel So that's the full dump button. And so that
Speaker 2: was just an instint because there are a lot of
Speaker 2: questions here from your listeners. Yeah, what's the instinct, what's
Speaker 2: the procedure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was instinct and just a sense of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that mightn't be the real story of redemption. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for here, and look at it's an easy, easy mark.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for interesting people. They reach out come on here.
Speaker 2: And often these people are very, very interesting.
Speaker 1: I've got the X cop and talking there. He's standing
Speaker 1: beside me saying, yeah, well done. I look at that.
Speaker 1: But the other thing, and I think we've got to
Speaker 1: understand this with podcasts, podcast world, I let people tell
Speaker 1: their stories, the listeners can form their views. Yes, like
Speaker 1: I'm not the gatekeeper here of yeah, do I let
Speaker 1: this person. I always say, if I invite a guest on,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to intentionally do you any harm. So
Speaker 1: that's my starting point. So don't bring them in and
Speaker 1: set them up and beat up on someone and rip
Speaker 1: them apart. Why we've got the cameras on. But I
Speaker 1: also give the audience the respet enough. They don't like
Speaker 1: all the guests I've got on, and you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: I might like the guests, but I will be polite.
Speaker 1: I will provide a platform for the guests to tell
Speaker 1: their story and let the audience form the view. That's
Speaker 1: I think that's where we lack in media because there's
Speaker 1: such a narrative that can be driven by some forms
Speaker 1: of media, whereas in the podcast world, you've listened to
Speaker 1: us for two hours, you form your own view. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to vouch for the person. You decide whether
Speaker 1: you like them or not like them. I think that's
Speaker 1: the safe, safest way.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a that I guess is a character actor.
Speaker 2: I'm super drawn to that notion. Have people that are
Speaker 2: very good presenting falsity and coming across and you know,
Speaker 2: and there are some of the you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: look at someone like Jeffrey Epstein. I mean he the
Speaker 2: world was his oyster for a long long time, and
Speaker 2: that guy was a monster for all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, and people can put up that fast and present
Speaker 1: present a certain way. I think there's people that are
Speaker 1: greatly respected because of the position they hold that the
Speaker 1: apps creeps and drop kicks. But yeah, let's I don't
Speaker 1: look at the title of the position. I look at
Speaker 1: the person. And one thing that's I've learned since I've
Speaker 1: been out of the cops, because I don't hang around
Speaker 1: with cops. Now the people I'm speaking to, and there
Speaker 1: might have been some of the people, lots of people
Speaker 1: that have done time in prison or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: can tell the character of the person. And I find
Speaker 1: some people that they might have spent paid their debt
Speaker 1: to society, but I rate them in terms of ethics
Speaker 1: and morals higher than some of the people. I work
Speaker 1: within the police, and I don't want to come across
Speaker 1: as shit bagging police. I like the police. There's some
Speaker 1: great cops in there, but like every walk of life,
Speaker 1: there's good ones and there's bad ones.
Speaker 2: What's the I'd be fascinated and I was thinking about
Speaker 2: this when I was out in the surf the other day.
Speaker 2: I've got no idea why I probably need to speak
Speaker 2: to someone about that. The reason what I was thinking
Speaker 2: was I'd be very, very interested in knowing what the
Speaker 2: average percentage of having a conviction in the general public.
Speaker 2: Does it go up for police officers and ex police officers.
Speaker 2: So if you've been part of the place, is that
Speaker 2: part of our society, does it have a higher criminal rate?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know many cops. The ones I do,
Speaker 2: most of them have records. Because then I was thinking
Speaker 2: about corruption inside the force. I was thinking about, are
Speaker 2: there groups of criminals right now going Okay, let's get
Speaker 2: son one and cousin four to join the force, so
Speaker 2: that we've got sleepers twenty. Do you think that goes on?
Speaker 1: Look, it might. There might be the odd and I
Speaker 1: think in history, not recent history, there's been cases where
Speaker 1: someone's been checking something for their friend or their cousins
Speaker 1: or their family, So that might go on. I think
Speaker 1: we've cops and I haven't really I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a higher percentage, But I think cops you've got a
Speaker 1: certain type of character. They might be some risk takers
Speaker 1: that might skew the statistics on criminal charges. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of it. I know a few cops that have been
Speaker 1: criminally charged, and some of them are for legitimately bad
Speaker 1: offenses when they when they leave, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that resent their time in the police. And it's
Speaker 1: funny and I think power crups, and I think power
Speaker 1: that you have in the cops. A lot of people
Speaker 1: leave the cops and resent authority like they're very anti
Speaker 1: don't you tell me what to do? Yeah, because they've
Speaker 1: had that power even when you're in the cops. It
Speaker 1: was and I identified it in myself. If someone's telling you,
Speaker 1: a security guard telling you, and it might be so,
Speaker 1: can we just check your bag? You're thinking, and you
Speaker 1: wouldn't react, but your mind's ticking over. I'm a cop,
Speaker 1: and I could imagine saying that out aloud, not thinking that,
Speaker 1: being such a dickhead if you did so. I think
Speaker 1: that our sort of has the potential to corrupts.
Speaker 3: Do that. Some actors do that. They'll be like, do
Speaker 3: you know who I am?
Speaker 2: As you get this is this really really interesting thing
Speaker 2: that happens in the human body as you get older.
Speaker 2: There's certain things you know, we've done a great thing.
Speaker 2: It's made us feel good, our pride has increased, and
Speaker 2: that might be the very thing that makes us behave
Speaker 2: badly the next day, because it alters our sense of self,
Speaker 2: our sense of entitlement, and all of those things. So
Speaker 2: as an underline on that conversation to all the cops
Speaker 2: out there listening, man, I completely honor what it is
Speaker 2: to serve the community. I respect and understand that at
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the night, when some poor kid has
Speaker 2: decided to end it, they're the ones. It's the cops
Speaker 2: that are ones that have gone start knocking on doors
Speaker 2: and talking to parents. With every part of that job,
Speaker 2: there comes a tough bit that I wouldn't want to do,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how I'd go emotionally managing that
Speaker 2: bucket filling every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun I was speaking to a Scotland yard
Speaker 1: detective far Scotland. You have detective on this and I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of homicides and all that, and he said,
Speaker 1: I asked him that question, did it effect you? And
Speaker 1: he said, it's funny. When I left the cops, I
Speaker 1: started to become more emotional. When I was in the cops,
Speaker 1: I didn't, and that resonated with me. Like when I
Speaker 1: was the hard ass homicide detective, I did not have
Speaker 1: time to wallow in the emotions and that and you
Speaker 1: would have it, but you would just move on because
Speaker 1: you're onto the next thing. When I step away now,
Speaker 1: like I'm looking back, and some of it sort of
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, that was heavy, And yeah, some things become
Speaker 1: more emotional because I think you allow yourself to release
Speaker 1: that emotion. Where isn't the cops You couldn't be this
Speaker 1: blubbering mess because you had to get up and get
Speaker 1: to the job the next day or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's probably a bit of a point to
Speaker 2: lift off. We think of all the people and what
Speaker 2: it takes that emotional strength and that courage to keep
Speaker 2: getting up, to pick yourself up, to take those hits.
Speaker 2: And that's what life's about, isn't it. Yeah, constantly taking
Speaker 2: me the good and the bad, and it affects us
Speaker 2: in certain ways. But one thing we know for sure,
Speaker 2: the sun will rise and will either be people that
Speaker 2: can smile at others or not smile at others. And
Speaker 2: my hope is that we as a society leaning towards
Speaker 2: more people that have the enough bandwidth to smile at
Speaker 2: a stranger.
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah, with the way the world is like,
Speaker 1: if we're too judgmental and the world's like I had
Speaker 1: to learn something upskill on the AI because I was
Speaker 1: doing the talk at the convention center with someone that
Speaker 1: was an expert on it, and I've been falling down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole there. The world is going to change.
Speaker 1: We need people to be able to resilient people. We
Speaker 1: need people to be able to communicate. And that's what
Speaker 1: by just getting back and this is sort of reflection
Speaker 1: on the year because it's a Christmas special for the podcast.
Speaker 1: The people that have come on the journey with me,
Speaker 1: like we get there's been over forty two million downloads. Now,
Speaker 1: that's that's a hell hell of a lot on the podcast.
Speaker 1: But I think they get where I'm coming from with
Speaker 1: this in that we're hearing the guest story, we're forming views.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we might in a groove everything you say or
Speaker 1: you say it will take a little bit of that
Speaker 1: or a little bit from me, and I think it
Speaker 1: makes it a better better place. But yeah, and in.
Speaker 2: Speaking of better places, Eloise f Tos, what is your
Speaker 2: favorite Christmas gift to either receive or gift so that
Speaker 2: we can offer our listeners for people like me that
Speaker 2: panic like, hell, oh.
Speaker 3: My gosh, this is a tough one. I feel like
Speaker 3: people are doing more of the experience thing, and I
Speaker 3: think that's quite nice instead of rushing around going oh,
Speaker 3: I'll just get a candle or just get a pair
Speaker 3: of boxes or whatever. I think sometimes a nice little
Speaker 3: voucher for a movie or a dinner or a shot.
Speaker 3: I love it. But even then I'm going.
Speaker 1: To catch killers Christmas special. If you want a great gift,
Speaker 1: whether they look there, there.
Speaker 3: We go well as well say yeah, coming to you.
Speaker 2: We don't know the name of your show next, well, it.
Speaker 3: Might be the working titles Aphrodity, so it might still
Speaker 3: be that. We'll see. But you can find my on
Speaker 3: my Instagram. I have everything on there, so it's a
Speaker 3: Weezer Squeezers, my Instagram handle we is at a squ
Speaker 3: is at a and yeah I post everything on there,
Speaker 3: all my shows and all the links and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a great thing.
Speaker 3: That's me and you Rob definitely.
Speaker 2: So all my tickets will be on sale by December five.
Speaker 2: There's a whole stack on right now. The reason I'm
Speaker 2: really excited to offer this up as a Christmas present.
Speaker 2: I've got all my ticketing prices have twenty five dollars
Speaker 2: for under twenty fives, so I've got I've got adult
Speaker 2: pricing for normal festival pricing for the main tickets, but
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars for under twenty fives. For two reasons, One,
Speaker 2: I want more people in their early to mid twenties
Speaker 2: getting out coming to see my show. Is I cover
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that I think is really great
Speaker 2: for those mid twenties, and honestly, I bury myself in
Speaker 2: my twenties, man, and so I want to share that
Speaker 2: so that you at list younger people don't have to
Speaker 2: bury yourselves. But the other reason is because families can
Speaker 2: come to this show together. I want if you're a
Speaker 2: parent out there and you've got a kid that's between
Speaker 2: twenty five and fifteen, and you're feeling you want to
Speaker 2: have more conversations or different conversations. If you were to
Speaker 2: come to my show with your child or your younger friends,
Speaker 2: then my stories will generate conversations for you because I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you things that you're going to go,
Speaker 2: oh God, really and in your heart of hearts you're
Speaker 2: going to know, Yeah, I did something like that too,
Speaker 2: So I'll bring it up. Well you guys, and you
Speaker 2: guys can chat about show.
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd be laughing about the incests anyone
Speaker 1: could make that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to finish up Gary, my friend, my dear
Speaker 2: dear friend. Christmas for Gary jubil And what does Christmas
Speaker 2: for Jubes look like in twenty twenty five. You've been
Speaker 2: through such an extraordinary year, extraordinary five years. Tell me
Speaker 2: about Christmas for you this year.
Speaker 1: You might come as a shock, but I'm not a
Speaker 1: real Christmas type person, and I think.
Speaker 2: That was because you look like a borable.
Speaker 1: But I just like to like to have a break.
Speaker 1: I can. My kids are living all over the place.
Speaker 1: I think we're catching up. So I'm going to get
Speaker 1: some get some time with them, maybe a quick overseas trip.
Speaker 1: I've got a fairly busy year. Next year, you've.
Speaker 2: Got another retreat. So Gary goes on these amazing as well.
Speaker 2: He does. He does his sugun, does his chug meditations.
Speaker 3: And this is why he's looking relaxed. I'm going that's.
Speaker 2: Why look any specific place, not not the stage, just
Speaker 2: sorting a couple of things out.
Speaker 1: But life's pretty good for me at the moment. Robert.
Speaker 1: I know you've seen me at my highs and you've
Speaker 1: seen it's got to do with relationships and work and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But it's in a pretty good space
Speaker 1: at the moment. So yeah, I'm looking forward to looking
Speaker 1: forward to Christmas. I hope you two have a great Christmas.
Speaker 1: And thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Lovely yea and on behalf of the listeners gerbs mate,
Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you for all the work you do
Speaker 2: and the conversations you bring and just getting up every day.
Speaker 2: I did make a joke about working for two hours
Speaker 2: a week. I know how hard you work. I can't
Speaker 2: tell you how much I respect the work that you
Speaker 2: put in the reading that you do, and I know
Speaker 2: that your listeners when the camera's off, I just I
Speaker 2: just know the world's richer for you in it, my mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, here mutual admiration. You've helped me a
Speaker 1: lot during tough times and we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: fun doing it. So it's great, and thanks for introducing that.
Speaker 1: This is beautiful.
Speaker 3: But I love this as well, this beautiful romance. I'm
Speaker 3: going this is how I love to see men talk
Speaker 3: like this about each other, and I hope that more
Speaker 3: of you, all the listeners, are doing that for you know,
Speaker 3: them and their friends as well. That's so lovely, guys,
Speaker 3: cool than thanks for having us. Thank you guys, Sia