WEBVTT - Finding love, interrogations and sniffer dogs: Rob Carlton & Elouise Eftos Pt.2

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<v Speaker 1>The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective see a side of life the average person is

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<v Speaker 1>never exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I did for a living. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.

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<v Speaker 1>The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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<v Speaker 1>from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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<v Speaker 1>and honest, just like the people I talked to. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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<v Speaker 1>Join me now as I take you into this world.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Part two of the Eye Catch Killers

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Special. Yes, I'm a bit tired trying to keep

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<v Speaker 1>up with Eloise and Rob Carlton, but Part two was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. We actually went into the interview room,

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<v Speaker 1>had a few laugh talked to some serious stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoy and have a merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, friends, welcome back to the second half of

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<v Speaker 2>the very special Christmas edition of Eye Catch Killers with

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Jublin and Elouise Eftos and I'm the other guest host,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Carlton, just quickly. So it's a Christmas special which

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<v Speaker 2>takes me to the first solo show I did. The

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<v Speaker 2>opening story was a beautiful Christmas story where two cousins

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<v Speaker 2>ended up having the most intimateive relations And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>sneakiest segue I can get to show promotions. So, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I met Elouise earlier this year, She's had

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<v Speaker 2>the most extraordinary run of her show, Australia's first attractive comedian.

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<v Speaker 2>She's won all sorts of awards. She went over to Edinburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>had a sold out run. For those of you that

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<v Speaker 2>know Edinburgh, you know what extraordinary feat that is. She

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<v Speaker 2>got nominated I believe the first Australian to be nominated,

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<v Speaker 2>as first Australian woman to be nominated as Best Newcomer.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be creatively huge, pade all of those things. So, Elouise,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a news show coming next year, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've got a new show. Also a few encores

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<v Speaker 3>of my debut show which is which is exciting for

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<v Speaker 3>anyone that missed it. So I'll be doing the encore

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<v Speaker 3>of Australia's First Attractive Comedian. Will the debut in New

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<v Speaker 3>York City if you have any listeners in New York

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<v Speaker 3>in March.

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<v Speaker 2>New York City is a city in America.

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<v Speaker 3>City in America, the city that Never sleeps, the Big

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<v Speaker 3>Apple you'll call it. Oh yeah, sorry, I can't see

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<v Speaker 3>it in New York. You'll have to come to Hoe

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<v Speaker 3>Bar so fifth to the fifteenth. I'll be doing Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>First Attractive Comedian there. I'm also doing sorry, another encore

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<v Speaker 3>in Adelaide, Adelaide Free and I'll be doing it on

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<v Speaker 3>core of it, as well as the work in progress

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<v Speaker 3>of my new show, which I don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be called yet, but I'll be touring

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<v Speaker 3>my new show, The Ill debut in Melbourne at Melbourne

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<v Speaker 3>Comedy Festival the last two weeks and then I will

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<v Speaker 3>tour it all around Sydney Brisbane. I'll also be going

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<v Speaker 3>to New Zealand if we have any follows New Zealand,

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<v Speaker 3>and then also to probably Canberra, I hope, because I

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<v Speaker 3>do love can great audiences there and and Perth obviously

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<v Speaker 3>got to go to the hometown. And then I'll be

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<v Speaker 3>taking it overseas to Edinburgh and Oncooring as well. Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>as Attractive Comeditis. It's going to be an interesting year.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be doing both shows, sort of tag

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<v Speaker 3>teaming them at the same time. But yeah, really excited.

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<v Speaker 3>The new show is about how I've never been in

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<v Speaker 3>love and I don't know if it's real and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit we're talking to Rob a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>about it and it's sort of, yeah, the part two

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<v Speaker 3>of my first show and sort of is playing the

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<v Speaker 3>persona stopping me from finding love? Or is being a

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<v Speaker 3>strong woman on stage?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it? Is it? Like you know, yeah? Is it intimidating?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of questions I want to ask, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>is it you know, to do with my own conditioning,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, having Greek heritage and the working title currently radiety,

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's the thing, that's the thing. But I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is it these traditional values that we get

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<v Speaker 3>taught and trying to be first? And then also, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Vogue just said having a boyfriend's embarrassing. So I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to figure out what as a single woman, what's one

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<v Speaker 3>of my one of my options and yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 3>that's sort of what the new shows about. It should

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<v Speaker 3>it should get very very silly. I sing and dance

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<v Speaker 3>and play different characters in my shows as well as

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<v Speaker 3>doing stand up, so it's going to be it should

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<v Speaker 3>be very fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you're trying to find out why you can't

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<v Speaker 1>find love. Well, just you couldn't really do a show like.

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<v Speaker 3>That, either of you could. I'm going I swear, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you've obviously found I.

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<v Speaker 2>Found love, but I did lose my virginity very late.

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<v Speaker 2>So it swings around the defense. I lost my virginity

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<v Speaker 2>when I was eighteen, and people go, go, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that's late?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going, I was late later than you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I catch killers is about people revealing.

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<v Speaker 2>All I'm saying is that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an amazing ability to get this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was saving myself for someone that wanted to do

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<v Speaker 2>it with me now.

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<v Speaker 3>That moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So for those listeners out there, what I would say

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<v Speaker 2>about Elawez's show, I'd get in on the ground floor.

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<v Speaker 2>A young woman. She's got all these different skills. When

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<v Speaker 2>she says she does characters, she does sing, she's an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary sing, extraordinary characters. It's because it's that character actor work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also her shows to my eye, certainly Australia's first

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<v Speaker 2>attractive comedian was predicated on some really interesting thinking. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it's one thing for a comedian to have that

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<v Speaker 2>interesting thinking, but then how to turn it funny. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where the magic happens. So I'm really interested in seeing

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<v Speaker 2>where you go with this next show.

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<v Speaker 3>This is also what is so scary. It's like this

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<v Speaker 3>this next show is about I guess me wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>be more vulnerable with the audience, which is the first

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<v Speaker 3>show is like I'm too hot to do comedy and

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<v Speaker 3>the response that I got and it's quite staunch and

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<v Speaker 3>sort of me going, you know, this is a feminist

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<v Speaker 3>this is an act of it's like a political statement

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<v Speaker 3>me doing this on stage and being a confident woman

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<v Speaker 3>on stage in Australia. Heaven forbid, you know. But then

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<v Speaker 3>this next show, I guess is it's about me being

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to be vulnerable with the audience and I guess

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<v Speaker 3>me wanting to be vulnerable in relationships and like, is

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<v Speaker 3>that what? You know? That that's sort of it's all, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of layers, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then so but with all of that how do

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<v Speaker 2>you find the funny?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, and how do you make it funny? It's

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<v Speaker 3>quite sad that the amount of work I'm doing on

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<v Speaker 3>it now, it's almost quite it's quite sad, but I

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<v Speaker 3>am not sad in the way of like, oh my lord,

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<v Speaker 3>but it just a bit there's moments where I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that is a really like sad revelation. Or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to a lot of music when I write shows,

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<v Speaker 3>and this theme of this show is very much in

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<v Speaker 3>the disco sort of like that free that sort of

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<v Speaker 3>disco fifty four or five. Yeah, a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>like I want to talk about, you know, these these

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<v Speaker 3>things like you know, why are men scared of dancing?

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<v Speaker 3>But no, just these like silly questions of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even the way the world's going modern dating everything. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit I think for women, we've been told

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<v Speaker 3>to be independent and like, you know, which is great,

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, it's like, is it bad

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<v Speaker 3>that I still want love from a man? Is that

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<v Speaker 3>like a bad thing? Is that something that am I

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<v Speaker 3>pathetic for wanting that? Or a man going to meet

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<v Speaker 3>me in that space? Or are we going to are

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<v Speaker 3>we splitting apart? Is that the way the world's going.

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<v Speaker 1>You take that into into humor and I look, I

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<v Speaker 1>do the research. I know it's only two hours a

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<v Speaker 1>day recording time. I love, I love sometimes I have

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<v Speaker 1>to read three books for one guest.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you've not a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch every TV show you've appeared on.

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<v Speaker 3>That stand up to watch all of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to make the point, like I do research,

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<v Speaker 1>and your stuff is funny. I really I was watching it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thoroughly respect Rob's opinion because generally he lets

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<v Speaker 1>me know when someone's performing around here because he needs

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<v Speaker 1>a place to stay that normally comes with a ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>and I offer him a bit beaut like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you to. I want to ask you to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy. I reckon that would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest thing to do. And I'm comfortable talking on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can take it to heavy stuff. I could

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<v Speaker 1>entertain people about making them laugh. But if I thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to get up there and make them laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>I sit there and I feel nervous for you guys. YEA, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you get nervous before.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. There's a part of me that I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>sort of delve into in my show that it was

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<v Speaker 3>a bucket list thing because I think I always was.

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<v Speaker 3>I love comedy. I think it's an incredible art form.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like magic. When you watch someone do comedy, it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>how the hell are they doing? For me? I was

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<v Speaker 3>in awe of it. But I was an actor, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was I studied film and journalism. I never thought

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<v Speaker 3>that I would do comedy. I was always that was

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<v Speaker 3>the backup, and then I was going to do acting.

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<v Speaker 3>I trained as a singer and a dancer, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and then but with comedy was stand up. It was

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<v Speaker 3>something that I started m seeing these shows. I was

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<v Speaker 3>a cabaret. I was dancing in cabarets, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>like a bit of a sexy cabaret vibe and a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of burlesque in it and stuff. And I was

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<v Speaker 3>the MC. And I realized that I felt this power

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<v Speaker 3>almost being this woman that was, you know, wearing a

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<v Speaker 3>sexy dress or like laundry and almost being like you

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<v Speaker 3>can't touch us up here, and making people laugh almost

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<v Speaker 3>by being this powerful woman that you would have seen

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<v Speaker 3>the way that I am on stage is very I'm

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<v Speaker 3>untouchable or that I you know, I'm better than you.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was something so fun and empowering about that,

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<v Speaker 3>and the joke started to just come just this, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this person, this persona which almost like she's like an affirmation,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's almost I don't think this is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>sound so bad, probably if other committees listen to it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't think it will give me enough credit

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<v Speaker 3>out how hard it is to do that style of comedy,

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<v Speaker 3>because comedy is hard. But if you can fall on

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<v Speaker 3>your sword and go, oh, I don't like this about myself,

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<v Speaker 3>people go ha ha, you know, or they go oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm a bit of a loser, and

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<v Speaker 3>people will laugh because they it's almost like this they

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<v Speaker 3>feel I don't want to say sorry for you, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is an easier way to make people laugh. If

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<v Speaker 3>you fall on your sword, you're like the clown, you're

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<v Speaker 3>the jester. But I'm doing the opposite, where I'm sort

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<v Speaker 3>of trying to make people laugh by saying I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm better than you, and what are.

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<v Speaker 1>You going to do?

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<v Speaker 3>They can laugh at you with it then, and even

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<v Speaker 3>then people still sometimes it goes over their head. But

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<v Speaker 3>I also think that the message of what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to say, I hope that it makes people think and go,

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<v Speaker 3>oh god, you know, maybe I am being a bit

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<v Speaker 3>sexist or a little bit, you know, projecting my own

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<v Speaker 3>insecurities onto this woman on stage who's talking about a

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<v Speaker 3>certain thing. And yeah, if I can make people laugh

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<v Speaker 3>while I do that, it is a nerve wrecking thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And sometimes they don't laugh and you have to get

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<v Speaker 3>over it. And I can't back down. I can't do

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<v Speaker 3>my joke and then go that's the thing about doing

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<v Speaker 3>high status. I can't not make them laugh and then

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<v Speaker 3>be like, actually, I'm just joking. I actually really like

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<v Speaker 3>you guys, and I don't think this about myself because

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<v Speaker 3>that is the beauty. Yeah, undercustry what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much for the stage presence. And I learned

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<v Speaker 1>a lot from you on that. Oh yeah, like I

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<v Speaker 1>can laugh at someone talking about sharpening a pencil. You're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it with confidence and incredible example that holding the

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<v Speaker 1>space and just waiting for it and then the punchline comes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm still and you know what, I'm still learning

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<v Speaker 3>how to hold space. And I think I learned it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was saying to Rob on the phone the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>I learned that, you know, with my show, not just

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<v Speaker 3>with my show, but even just doing stand up spots,

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<v Speaker 3>like just gigs around and just not letting the silence

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<v Speaker 3>get to me because I feel like there was there's

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<v Speaker 3>times where you would even see it in my in

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<v Speaker 3>my set or in my show. There's like a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to fill the space because I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>just me as a person. I want to I want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure I'm not making them laugh every minute,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, every second. But you also there's something about

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<v Speaker 3>holding them and then the tension and then letting it out,

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<v Speaker 3>and that for me is also more more rewarding. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still getting used to it. It's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It is scary, but I think I if I'm talking,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm doing the talk, I know, if I'm holding

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<v Speaker 1>the pace of it, yes, that's when I'm at my best.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm I'm going to get this done, got to

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<v Speaker 1>get totally. But when I say something and you're the

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<v Speaker 1>best out of rob you just you say something and

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<v Speaker 1>you just sit with it and the audience that they're going.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, you know what I mean, he's the mask,

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<v Speaker 3>He's a master, whereas I mean I'm still learning how

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. I also think that sometimes off these

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<v Speaker 3>moments were like watching yourself. You know on stage, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not in my body. I need to get back into

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<v Speaker 3>my body. But that's I think also a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>an acting thing. You've been doing it for so long

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard anything after you guys said I was

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<v Speaker 2>the master.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to you want to a little bit just.

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<v Speaker 2>Into that a little further.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say sorry, and then I'm speaking

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<v Speaker 3>of the master. We're going to talk about yours as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since you bring it up, I must so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>gentle listener. So my last show is four True Stories.

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<v Speaker 2>So my plugs are kind of funny. Basically, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a brand news show. It's called Virgin in a Knife Fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch the name alone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Virgin in a knife Fight. It's four true stories.

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<v Speaker 2>The first story is when I was a virgin in

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<v Speaker 2>a knife fight. All I will say about that is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's fair to say I was underprepared. I was

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of knife fight? We talking, Well, virgins are

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<v Speaker 2>really prepared for knife fights. Man, if you were to

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<v Speaker 2>line up all the virgins that have been in knife fights,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say most of us wouldn't have would have been underprepared.

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<v Speaker 2>And so and the other three stories are not about that,

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<v Speaker 2>because I then grow up. But it's a show about

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<v Speaker 2>being underprepared. It's a show about being surprised, about being sideswiped.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're all true stories. And so as a results,

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<v Speaker 2>I was eighteen. Look all I'll say about that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>the moment where I did lose my visage. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a little underprepared for that as welled, So there was

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<v Speaker 2>so and then anyway, I tell three more stories. But

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<v Speaker 2>as of course you get older, the things that surprise

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<v Speaker 2>you are of a different nature. So that first surprise

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<v Speaker 2>was an outward worldly thing coming at me, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh dear, as we get older, sometimes surprises come from within.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes surprises come from saying we've done to ourselves, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes surprises come from a wa wacky, wacky world that

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<v Speaker 2>just is a surprising place. So I've got four true stories.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to get around the country, premiering in

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<v Speaker 2>Perth January twenty one. Then I've got eight days at

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<v Speaker 2>the State Theater Center there. I then do Albany and Mandras,

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<v Speaker 2>a little Western Australian tour. I come back to New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales Brunswick Picture House. Shout out to you, cost

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<v Speaker 2>Jeddy Theater, shout out of Vocer Beach a Voker Beach Theater,

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<v Speaker 2>my hometown. That's all in March. Can't wait to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing Canberra Comedy Festival, Newcastle Fringe, then we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>Adelaide Fringe. It's going to be mad, it's going to beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see you out there. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>then after Adelaide Fringe, we've also got Melbourne Comedy Festival.

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<v Speaker 2>All those tickets will be on sale by December fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a whole stack on sale right now. Where my

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<v Speaker 2>show and you're talking about stand up comedy before, where

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<v Speaker 2>my show is different. It's not stand up comedy. I

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<v Speaker 2>tell true stories, so it's a little more theatrical. I

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<v Speaker 2>like to describe it as you'll get the laughs without

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<v Speaker 2>the anxiety. The stand up thing is a bit a

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<v Speaker 2>but all of this and then we've done this and

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<v Speaker 2>get back and put the focus back on to Jubes

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<v Speaker 2>because as a stack Moore questions of yours that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get to. But it's then come out of

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<v Speaker 2>these true stories I write. For a storytelling night that

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<v Speaker 2>my wife and I host are on the Central Coast

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<v Speaker 2>at Gosford, the last Sunday of every month. That's called

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<v Speaker 2>Brave Words Life, True Stories Told Well. We invite guests

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<v Speaker 2>to tell stories. My wife and I write a story

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<v Speaker 2>and it's simply this a true story. Now, the stories

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to be funny, they have to be true

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<v Speaker 2>and told well. They're about thirteen minutes long. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>also releasing the podcast of that next week, so have

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<v Speaker 2>a Google around of that. It's going to be called

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<v Speaker 2>Brave Words the Podcast. And from that, what you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>is stories from people that you might have heard of,

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<v Speaker 2>some people with a profile. The engine room of this

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<v Speaker 2>show will come from the incredible stories we've got from

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<v Speaker 2>our community, from people that have done some writing classes

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<v Speaker 2>with my wife, people that have just written a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>story and sent it to us, and these stories. When

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<v Speaker 2>a community gets together and has the bravery to share

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<v Speaker 2>stories and listen to stories, it's a closer community. It's

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<v Speaker 2>easier to imagine the hardship others are going through. Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to tell you this, man, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people doing it tough, real tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of power in telling stories,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why I like the forum of podcasts like

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<v Speaker 1>you're going in the media, and I've worked in all aspects,

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<v Speaker 1>all different aspects of media. People ask what I do now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I sort of how do I describe what I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what do you do? And I like to think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a storyteller and letting people tell stories. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love telling stories or hearing people stories, and the stand

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<v Speaker 1>up comedy space or even in not even but the

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<v Speaker 1>way you do it and the way you do it,

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<v Speaker 1>it just stimulates, doesn't it. It's really good to sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and get to get a piece of that.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get back into some things now. During

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<v Speaker 2>the break, Yellowise and I were talking about some of

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<v Speaker 2>the prestigures that occur as detective and she said to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, man, it's Gary. He seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>really nice guy. I can't imagine him being a.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy no way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, you haven't seen him interrogate somewhere, so I

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<v Speaker 2>thought we might jump into that space for the least.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we want to play this one, Okay, an interrogation, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, you have to be the suspect, Yeah, suspect. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, there's something about him, there is something.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that Daily Mail article.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that article, Rob. I didn't bring it to

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<v Speaker 1>your attention because I wanted to protect you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobson didn't want to protect He said it straight to me,

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<v Speaker 2>along with the message, mate, you should see what they've

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<v Speaker 2>written about me specifically over the year. Oh my god. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Okay, so let's hypothetical. Rob's the Robs the suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>We've just talked about your two shows. You're both put

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<v Speaker 1>in on a show at let's say m More Theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Terrific. Wow, that's been beautiful. Yeah, listen to me sell out.

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<v Speaker 1>On a Saturday night, Rob's driving along and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>stopped by a uniform please, and they get him out,

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<v Speaker 1>search his car and they find a bag of cannabis.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say so that that's that's the crime that we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with. Not a huge crime, Yeah, it's a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be the local detective sergeant. Okay, you can be

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<v Speaker 1>the detective senior constable.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love this for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, how long has she been on the job

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<v Speaker 2>for She got from very early into detectives.

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<v Speaker 1>She's probably detective senior constable at least five or six years.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, yes, ready, and I've got yeah I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>If I make a run for it, Rob, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>where I am? Am I cuffed?

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<v Speaker 1>Just let me get the book at first?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I cuffed?

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<v Speaker 1>Not yet?

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<v Speaker 3>So please remain in your vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. No, but you're not there yet. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>called out. Uniform police have stopped Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>You're practicing your lines on the way there.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I've rung rung you, and you've said there's bloke. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been there, found some drugs in his car. He's been arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Uniform blokes are too busy to deal with it, so

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<v Speaker 1>we need to.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been there's uniform blokes are always too bloody busy,

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<v Speaker 3>aren't they? This is my character.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we do? I get called out? Ye, I've

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<v Speaker 1>called out detective Senior Constable Foss and we're on the

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<v Speaker 1>way to Newtown Police station. You're at Newtown, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to arrests, carry jubil and we're a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we do. We've got Rob Carlton and everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>got a weakness. And that's what I think before I

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<v Speaker 1>go into an interview room, what's their weakness? And I

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<v Speaker 1>look at Rob and I'm saying he's not is he

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<v Speaker 1>like he's not. There's something you know what we call

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<v Speaker 1>him in the cops, like soft head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what we call them, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit of a soft head. But what's his weakness? What

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<v Speaker 1>we call them, that's what we call him.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what you call them animals?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, soft head. So there's two ways of approaching Rob.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to find his weakness. Look in his background,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're printed out his background that he was an

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<v Speaker 1>actor and all that sort of stuff. So yeah, reasonably successful.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what's so I'll try it first, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>work out different ways of breaking this person. See what

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<v Speaker 1>he's got.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've got a weakness. I think you're stuffed.

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<v Speaker 1>I come in, I come into the interview room first,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>Calton Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly we could. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why they've made I was just driving on King Street.

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<v Speaker 2>This is sure you got more important, Rob.

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<v Speaker 1>Carp And I was just asking is that your name?

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<v Speaker 2>Su Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm Detective Sergeant Garry Dublin. Now I've been

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<v Speaker 1>called out by the uniform police. Your car has been

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<v Speaker 1>pulled over in King Street in search of the car

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<v Speaker 1>found the bag of canvas.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said to honestly, mate, no idea, no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stop there for a moment. So you're just I'm walking,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're just coming into Yeah, you've arrived. Take a seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus is constant concentrate. So we're in the interview room.

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<v Speaker 1>I introduce you. Now. This is Detective Senior Constable Eloise.

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<v Speaker 3>Detective Senior Constable after us. Hello, mister Carton.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm the experience detective. We've got him in

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<v Speaker 1>the room. Now we're out of the room. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say we're going to have to exploit his weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's got a weakness. I'm thinking this soft head that's

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<v Speaker 1>his vanity.

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<v Speaker 3>God, he is a soft head. He looks pretty vain

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about him a bit of a Yeah. Those actors

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<v Speaker 3>all are, aren't they They're all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me have a chop at him first.

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<v Speaker 3>No please, no, no no, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't doesn't work, I reckon. The other thing is

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<v Speaker 1>you be susceptible to your approach? Yes, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>You saw him on that white lad. What a creep

0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>What a creepy? People? Too much getting there?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Rob Carlton, Yeah, you're the actor, aren't you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I've seen you in so many different shapes. Incredible.

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 2>What was it? What was your favorite?

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, when you played Kerry Packer.

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, look I loved I mean, obviously a real

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.160
<v Speaker 2>honor to be playing a business icon.

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 1>You you won a LOGI for that, didn't you.

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, mate, I did, I did, I did. I

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>got nominated for a few other ones as well.

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Yep, congratulations, you're getting a sense. He's just he's but

0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:25.560
<v Speaker 1>now I'm going to flip it on him.

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 2>So that tough. It was a tough role out carry.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, you realize what you're here for.

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mate, certain plog down there has just gotten all

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<v Speaker 2>out a hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just that was Senior Constable Bowden. He's been

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.439
<v Speaker 1>in the police for ten years. He's are you referring

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to the police officer at the rest?

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a good bloke, now you mention it. Yeah, yeah,

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:45.160
<v Speaker 2>he was all right.

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:46.880
<v Speaker 1>He had his police dog Spike.

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Those dogs were certainly showing out.

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Interesting anyway, let's get back to it. The cannabis in

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 1>your car is that yours?

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 2>No? Absolutely not, never seen it before in my life.

0:23:57.760 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Is that your car that you're driving?

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I didn't steal the car.

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Detective, You've got to set the keys to the car. Yep,

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>you realize where the car has beens stopped at the

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 1>moment we're doing the forensic examination, the car clearly hasn't

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>been broken into it. So who else has access to

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the vehicle? If that, if that bag of cannabis is

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 1>not yours? Who else has access to the cannabis?

0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean my wife of kids.

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So your wife and kids drive the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're saying to do?

0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay? And you're telling me that cannabis is not theirs.

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 2>They're definitely not theirs and not yours, not mine either, Okay,

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how it got there.

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, mister Carton, this is how we're going to play this, Okay.

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to send uniform police around to your house

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:45.679
<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and we're going to wake up your

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>wife and inform her that you're under arrest. We'll also

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>how are you boys? Okay, Well, they're.

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Adults and the lord.

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 1>There's only four people who have got access to the vehicle.

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>There's a bag of cannabis in there. You're telling me

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>that that cannabis is not yours? I don't care if

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm charging you, your wife, or either of your two sons,

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>but clearly someone owns the cannabis.

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're going to need to bring her

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 2>in at this point. I know we'd said it up,

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 2>but I did, like once you got to dipping my

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>wife and charl Spike.

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I am a real detective, mister Carton, and I actually

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.880
<v Speaker 3>resent the fact that you think I resent the fact

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.160
<v Speaker 3>that you think I shouldn't be here.

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>No, I was, That's not what that is.

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>What did you assume I was a senior person. She

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was a junior person.

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.359
<v Speaker 3>That's actually quite sexist of you, mister Carlton. No, because

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 3>I just a bit of a method acting sort of.

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Look, thanks for mentioning. I did actually get right into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would like to know is there sort of

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 3>a magical marijuana fairy that is putting this cannabis in

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 3>your car? Because who would own? Who would be putting

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 3>it into your car? Should we be calling your sons?

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Your wife?

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>This is at this hour, this is awful.

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's vulnerableable.

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You could you could approached this with I reckon. I

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>can't do what you could do, but I reckon if

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:31.159
<v Speaker 1>if you was that good? But if you lean in

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the Rob, we can make this girl away. Rob, you

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 1>just you just got to tell the truth. Just tell

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 1>the truth. You'll be charged. You're probably wondering what's going

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 1>to happen. I can't promise you bail. Let's out of

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>my control. But I imagine in my experience, you probably

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 1>would get BA and you'll be home with your wife

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and kids.

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 3>See that's not that's a warm that's good, cap.

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>You're cop.

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's assume he's a blake the character he played

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>on White Ladies just come in.

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, if I was to do that one.

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>So let's do it that. We're just so you interview

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>me like you just did and try and use my

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>wife and kids, and I'll be that guy.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, focus, Rob, we can make this problem go away.

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. It's not a problem for me. You

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>can go, it can stay.

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>You don't care. Well, I've already explained to you the

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>cannabas is in your car. I've had a forensic examination

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:33.439
<v Speaker 1>on your vehicle.

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not the only person that can get into

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the car. That's your wife and two children. That's right.

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Are you saying that it's not.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Yours, so it's not mine.

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>So you're happy for me to send police around to

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>your home now and speak to your wife and your

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>two children.

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, if it's a pot, we better get

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of it.

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, if that's the way you want to play.

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 3>It, mister Carlton. Look, we've got a lot. We'd like

0:27:58.280 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 3>to go home ourselves.

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 2>We're really too Okay, it's at the same spot.

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, absolutely not. This is this is a bit much,

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 3>mister Carlton. I resent the fact that you would pin

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 3>your your cannibal.

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, none of your business, your business, Okay, answer the question.

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.439
<v Speaker 3>Answer the questions, mate.

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>That.

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to interview.

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say that the question is.

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Harder to Is it hard to interview people with no.

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>In the interview room. You can set the you set

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the tone, whether it's you keep it light because that

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>might be the best way you try to make that

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>make that connection, or you can intimidate through your professionalism.

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>But what you never let them do, I think is

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>see that they get you rattled. You've always you own

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the interview room. You're going to control the interview room.

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>If you come in and it looks like they're getting

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the better of you. You cut it the moment that

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>you as you strength, the moment you see if I'm rattle,

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>say no, matter what you say, it's poker face and

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>not going to give you anything. I'll give you emotion

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>if I think it's going to help. Like exploiting your

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>vanities and saying.

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That's the third time you've said that.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>You told me I had to say it for otherwise

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>we weren't coming on that podcast.

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just a vanity stuff. I mean, I know it's there,

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I obsessed. I'm going to jump back

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>into another question. Yes, you've got so many questions from

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>your podcast. Do you prefer interviewing the cops or the crims? Oh?

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's that's interesting the police. Sometimes I like to

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>fall back into the world of policing because it's something

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that was a part of for a very long time.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>But I know I know a lot of cops, so

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>for a new experience speaking to speaking to the criminals,

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it's quite interesting because I sit opposite people that I

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>never thought i'd get a chance to sit opposite and

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>have conversations with them, and these people that, yeah, we

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>basically are chene meets for our whole career, and now

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I can sit down and we find common ground and

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I quite quite enjoy it. But diversity, I think with

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a podcast, and I know you laugh when I say

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>two hours a week is a lot of work, but

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting with the diversity. I think with a podcast,

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>we're done over five hundred episodes now, and you've got

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to mix up the guests. I can't. If I spake

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to just all cops the whole time, I'd get bored

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>with it. If I spake the crooks, I'd get bored

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.239
<v Speaker 1>with it. So diversity is the thing that the thing

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:32.959
<v Speaker 1>I joined.

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 2>I saw a post the other day. It was a

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>super tough, rough looking guy. He used to be a

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>sergeant in arms with an agent Bucky Gang doing that

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>thing where he was standing in front of me and

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 2>he was just saying and he was talking a million

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>miles an hour, and he's like, man, I just this happened,

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and this happened. I just want everyone to know that

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>this is no good and that doesn't play out the

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 2>way then oh my life and all of that, and

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>you just I was so pleased for this fellow. Yeah, right,

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>that was a life. Yeah, right, because that's not always

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>given in that line of work, and that then he

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know what, I made a stack of

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 2>bad choices and now I'm trying to make them better.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>How do we help a guy like that try and

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 2>get that information to the younger people that are that

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 2>are having a tough time because a lot of people

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 2>in your experience to most people realize at some point

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that being that criminal or there's a violence to the

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>way you're making your money. Do most people figure it

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 2>out that it's not the way to go out there?

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>There's usually there's some of the career criminals and or

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>inherently bad that not going to change. But that's a

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>small percentage. You know, the psychos are the ones that

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>need to be taken off the street. It's probably ten

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>percent of the criminal world. There's a lot that will

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>choose the life of crime because that's they don't see

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a bad thing that's their career. I put that

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of twenty thirty percent of the type of criminals.

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Then you've got that roughly sixty seventy percent of people

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>that have made mistakes. Circumstances have steered them down the path.

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>They've made mistakes they're the ones that I think we

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>could change, and I think good role models. I love

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the stories of redemption with the criminals that have turned

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>their life around, and I think that messaging needs to

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>get out to the younger boys and girls that oh,

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the way to go, This isn't the life

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you want to live. Look, this is what I did.

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I spent twenty years locked up. That's not what you

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 1>want to do. So I think that messaging needs to

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>get out. That's where we can make the difference. Jails.

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I did that Breaking Badness series where I went into

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the maximum security prison and that was a real eye opener.

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>And they were treating maximum security prisoners with more giving

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>them more sense of responsibility, allowing them to integrate back

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>into society. Because that to reduce recidivism rate. I reckon

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.479
<v Speaker 1>that should be the benchmark for the way prisons. Prisons

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>are run. It was such a healthy environment in that

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the prisoners were prepared or being prepared to come back

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>out and integrate in this society. And it's not getting

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>soft on prisoners. They had to work, I think it

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>was six hours a day and then study six hours

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a day, and then they get one day off a week,

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>but it was a built self esteem. They all lived

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>in a dorm, Like twenty five maximum prisoners in a dorm,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>all living in there. I thought it would be a bloodbath,

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.959
<v Speaker 1>but they realize this is their chance to turn their

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>life around. And I met quite a few impressive people

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in prison, and some have reached out to me since

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>they've been out of prison and I'm catching up with

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>them and I like, what the what they're doing?

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow, amazing. So I've got I'm going to ask a

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 3>question here from Chad. What's the worst case you have

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 3>dealt with in your career as a homicide detective.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>List? There's a list like any time a life has

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>been taken, it's horrendous and the impact that it has.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a ripple effect with homicide, So one person is killed,

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>but the amount of lives that are destroyed following on

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>from that. Me personally, ones that I do a lot

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of I call them short term homicides

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>where you get called out, you're the on call team,

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you investigate it, you might be involved in it for

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a very long time. So the ones that stick with

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>me personally, the ones that I've been caught up with

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, obviously the bower of all one

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>people who've listened to the podcasts of three Aboriginal children,

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Colin and Evelyn and Clinton who were murdered. The case

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 1>that cost me my career, the William Tyrell case, I

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 1>think is disgraceful. What's happened. I ran it for four years,

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it's now been going for five or six years since,

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and we've still got no answers.

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Brooksy Smith, one of your listeners, wants to know,

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:44.919
<v Speaker 2>do you still lose sleep over that matter?

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's too dramatic to say a toss and turn.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It's weighs heavily on my mind. I think lives have

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 1>been damaged and destroyed and we still haven't got answers.

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>And I say it every time I have an opportunity

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to say publicly, think there should be an inquiry about

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the William Tyrell matter, whether that's a parliamentary inquiry or

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a public inquiry, and let's find the truth out about

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 1>what's what's happened on that investigation, because I certainly don't

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>feel comfortable with what I've seen go on for the

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 1>past six years.

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 3>All Right, I just say, well, there's so many good questions,

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 3>but let's lead with the question. Okay, sorry, this is

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 3>the one because I think this is quite interesting. How

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 3>do you because god, it would be hard not to

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 3>feel personally attached to some of these cases. But how

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 3>do you get over it when you know this is

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 3>from ROMPA? How do you get over it when you

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>know someone is guilty of murder is not convicted at trial?

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Is Is that really hard?

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>And it happens. I get over it personally if I

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>think myself and my team wherever I'm saying, oh, you're

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>working in the team homicide, if we've done everything that

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 1>can be done, then you've got to accept the decision.

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise it would destroy you and people mentors that I

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>looked up to taught me that you can't. You can't

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>carry the weight of the result of the court matters.

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>The only thing you can control is doing everything that

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you can so you can let it go and you

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>still think about it. That can piss you off. I

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>know people are involved in murders of the walking the street.

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it, but that's the system we've got

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and you've got to accept it.

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.080
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0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>I've got a question around your interview guests, Right, it's

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>extraordinary what you've done with regards to trying to bridge

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 2>that gap between the cops and the crimps, if you

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 2>want to put it like that, and certainly looking at

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>that salvation story, of the redemption story that you really like,

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I think we can also agree and only a naive

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>child wouldn't believe this, is that a lot of the

0:36:56.160 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 2>people in this space are sociopathic, super bright, very manipulative.

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever gone into an interview felt in the

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>moment that it had been going well that this person's

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>turned a new leaf, they've got a new direction that

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 2>is society focused, and then come away from that and

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>suddenly felt the slick, filthy slide of yuck on you

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>as you've fallen under the spell of a sociopath.

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd like to think that as a police officer,

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>as long as I was and doing the type of

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>work I was, I had a good rad After that,

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm out of the police now, and it's a different

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>dynamics when I'm sitting opposite someone and talking in terms

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of guess there was one on that I had doubts

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 1>about just had a bad energy. And I've had murderers

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>on and all sorts of things. I can read people,

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and there was one person that I thought had a

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>bad energy. You wouldn't have listened to listen to the

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast because we didn't play it a record.

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Lovel So that's the full dump button. And so that

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:04.800
<v Speaker 2>was just an instint because there are a lot of

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 2>questions here from your listeners. Yeah, what's the instinct, what's

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the procedure?

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was instinct and just a sense of it. Okay,

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that mightn't be the real story of redemption. I'm looking

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>for here, and look at it's an easy, easy mark.

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for interesting people. They reach out come on here.

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>And often these people are very, very interesting.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I've got the X cop and talking there. He's standing

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 1>beside me saying, yeah, well done. I look at that.

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>But the other thing, and I think we've got to

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>understand this with podcasts, podcast world, I let people tell

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>their stories, the listeners can form their views. Yes, like

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the gatekeeper here of yeah, do I let

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>this person. I always say, if I invite a guest on,

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to intentionally do you any harm. So

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that's my starting point. So don't bring them in and

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 1>set them up and beat up on someone and rip

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>them apart. Why we've got the cameras on. But I

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>also give the audience the respet enough. They don't like

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>all the guests I've got on, and you know, sometimes

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I might like the guests, but I will be polite.

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I will provide a platform for the guests to tell

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>their story and let the audience form the view. That's

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that's where we lack in media because there's

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.800
<v Speaker 1>such a narrative that can be driven by some forms

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of media, whereas in the podcast world, you've listened to

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>us for two hours, you form your own view. I'm

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to vouch for the person. You decide whether

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you like them or not like them. I think that's

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the safe, safest way.

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a that I guess is a character actor.

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm super drawn to that notion. Have people that are

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>very good presenting falsity and coming across and you know,

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 2>and there are some of the you know. I mean,

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 2>look at someone like Jeffrey Epstein. I mean he the

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 2>world was his oyster for a long long time, and

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.959
<v Speaker 2>that guy was a monster for all of it. Yeah.

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Look, and people can put up that fast and present

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>present a certain way. I think there's people that are

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>greatly respected because of the position they hold that the

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.959
<v Speaker 1>apps creeps and drop kicks. But yeah, let's I don't

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>look at the title of the position. I look at

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the person. And one thing that's I've learned since I've

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>been out of the cops, because I don't hang around

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>with cops. Now the people I'm speaking to, and there

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>might have been some of the people, lots of people

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 1>that have done time in prison or whatever, but I

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.320
<v Speaker 1>can tell the character of the person. And I find

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 1>some people that they might have spent paid their debt

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to society, but I rate them in terms of ethics

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and morals higher than some of the people. I work

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.760
<v Speaker 1>within the police, and I don't want to come across

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 1>as shit bagging police. I like the police. There's some

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>great cops in there, but like every walk of life,

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:42.399
<v Speaker 1>there's good ones and there's bad ones.

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 2>What's the I'd be fascinated and I was thinking about

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 2>this when I was out in the surf the other day.

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I've got no idea why I probably need to speak

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:54.720
<v Speaker 2>to someone about that. The reason what I was thinking

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 2>was I'd be very, very interested in knowing what the

0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>average percentage of having a conviction in the general public.

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Does it go up for police officers and ex police officers.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 2>So if you've been part of the place, is that

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 2>part of our society, does it have a higher criminal rate?

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I don't know many cops. The ones I do,

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>most of them have records. Because then I was thinking

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>about corruption inside the force. I was thinking about, are

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:34.240
<v Speaker 2>there groups of criminals right now going Okay, let's get

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 2>son one and cousin four to join the force, so

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>that we've got sleepers twenty. Do you think that goes on?

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Look, it might. There might be the odd and I

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>think in history, not recent history, there's been cases where

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>someone's been checking something for their friend or their cousins

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>or their family, So that might go on. I think

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>we've cops and I haven't really I don't think there's

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>a higher percentage, But I think cops you've got a

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>certain type of character. They might be some risk takers

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>that might skew the statistics on criminal charges. I'm thinking

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of it. I know a few cops that have been

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>criminally charged, and some of them are for legitimately bad

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>offenses when they when they leave, there's a lot of

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>people that resent their time in the police. And it's

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.479
<v Speaker 1>funny and I think power crups, and I think power

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that you have in the cops. A lot of people

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>leave the cops and resent authority like they're very anti

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>don't you tell me what to do? Yeah, because they've

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>had that power even when you're in the cops. It

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>was and I identified it in myself. If someone's telling you,

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>a security guard telling you, and it might be so,

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>can we just check your bag? You're thinking, and you

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't react, but your mind's ticking over. I'm a cop,

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and I could imagine saying that out aloud, not thinking that,

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>being such a dickhead if you did so. I think

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that our sort of has the potential to corrupts.

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Do that. Some actors do that. They'll be like, do

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 3>you know who I am?

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 2>As you get this is this really really interesting thing

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 2>that happens in the human body as you get older.

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 2>There's certain things you know, we've done a great thing.

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 2>It's made us feel good, our pride has increased, and

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>that might be the very thing that makes us behave

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>badly the next day, because it alters our sense of self,

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 2>our sense of entitlement, and all of those things. So

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.359
<v Speaker 2>as an underline on that conversation to all the cops

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>out there listening, man, I completely honor what it is

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>to serve the community. I respect and understand that at

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 2>three o'clock in the night, when some poor kid has

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>decided to end it, they're the ones. It's the cops

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>that are ones that have gone start knocking on doors

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and talking to parents. With every part of that job,

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 2>there comes a tough bit that I wouldn't want to do,

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how I'd go emotionally managing that

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>bucket filling every day.

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fun I was speaking to a Scotland yard

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:02.359
<v Speaker 1>detective far Scotland. You have detective on this and I've

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.359
<v Speaker 1>done a lot of homicides and all that, and he said,

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I asked him that question, did it effect you? And

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>he said, it's funny. When I left the cops, I

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 1>started to become more emotional. When I was in the cops,

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, and that resonated with me. Like when I

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>was the hard ass homicide detective, I did not have

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>time to wallow in the emotions and that and you

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>would have it, but you would just move on because

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 1>you're onto the next thing. When I step away now,

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>like I'm looking back, and some of it sort of

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>oh Jesus, that was heavy, And yeah, some things become

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:37.800
<v Speaker 1>more emotional because I think you allow yourself to release

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that emotion. Where isn't the cops You couldn't be this

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 1>blubbering mess because you had to get up and get

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to the job the next day or whatever.

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's probably a bit of a point to

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>lift off. We think of all the people and what

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 2>it takes that emotional strength and that courage to keep

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.319
<v Speaker 2>getting up, to pick yourself up, to take those hits.

0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's what life's about, isn't it. Yeah, constantly taking

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>me the good and the bad, and it affects us

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 2>in certain ways. But one thing we know for sure,

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the sun will rise and will either be people that

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>can smile at others or not smile at others. And

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 2>my hope is that we as a society leaning towards

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>more people that have the enough bandwidth to smile at

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<v Speaker 2>a stranger.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think yeah, with the way the world is like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're too judgmental and the world's like I had

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<v Speaker 1>to learn something upskill on the AI because I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing the talk at the convention center with someone that

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>was an expert on it, and I've been falling down

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the rabbit hole there. The world is going to change.

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<v Speaker 1>We need people to be able to resilient people. We

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<v Speaker 1>need people to be able to communicate. And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>by just getting back and this is sort of reflection

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>on the year because it's a Christmas special for the podcast.

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 1>The people that have come on the journey with me,

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 1>like we get there's been over forty two million downloads. Now,

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a hell hell of a lot on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think they get where I'm coming from with

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<v Speaker 1>this in that we're hearing the guest story, we're forming views.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we might in a groove everything you say or

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you say it will take a little bit of that

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<v Speaker 1>or a little bit from me, and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it a better better place. But yeah, and in.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of better places, Eloise f Tos, what is your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite Christmas gift to either receive or gift so that

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>we can offer our listeners for people like me that

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.799
<v Speaker 2>panic like, hell, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>My gosh, this is a tough one. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>people are doing more of the experience thing, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's quite nice instead of rushing around going oh,

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:40.439
<v Speaker 3>I'll just get a candle or just get a pair

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 3>of boxes or whatever. I think sometimes a nice little

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 3>voucher for a movie or a dinner or a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. But even then I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>To catch killers Christmas special. If you want a great gift,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they look there, there.

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<v Speaker 3>We go well as well say yeah, coming to you.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know the name of your show next, well, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Might be the working titles Aphrodity, so it might still

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 3>be that. We'll see. But you can find my on

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 3>my Instagram. I have everything on there, so it's a

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Weezer Squeezers, my Instagram handle we is at a squ

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 3>is at a and yeah I post everything on there,

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<v Speaker 3>all my shows and all the links and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's a great thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's me and you Rob definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>So all my tickets will be on sale by December five.

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:33.439
<v Speaker 2>There's a whole stack on right now. The reason I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really excited to offer this up as a Christmas present.

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I've got all my ticketing prices have twenty five dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for under twenty fives, so I've got I've got adult

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<v Speaker 2>pricing for normal festival pricing for the main tickets, but

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five dollars for under twenty fives. For two reasons, One,

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<v Speaker 2>I want more people in their early to mid twenties

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<v Speaker 2>getting out coming to see my show. Is I cover

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff that I think is really great

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 2>for those mid twenties, and honestly, I bury myself in

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 2>my twenties, man, and so I want to share that

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 2>so that you at list younger people don't have to

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 2>bury yourselves. But the other reason is because families can

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 2>come to this show together. I want if you're a

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 2>parent out there and you've got a kid that's between

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty five and fifteen, and you're feeling you want to

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>have more conversations or different conversations. If you were to

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 2>come to my show with your child or your younger friends,

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 2>then my stories will generate conversations for you because I'm

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 2>going to tell you things that you're going to go,

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 2>oh God, really and in your heart of hearts you're

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 2>going to know, Yeah, I did something like that too,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll bring it up. Well you guys, and you

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 2>guys can chat about show.

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought i'd be laughing about the incests anyone

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<v Speaker 1>could make that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to finish up Gary, my friend, my dear

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>dear friend. Christmas for Gary jubil And what does Christmas

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 2>for Jubes look like in twenty twenty five. You've been

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 2>through such an extraordinary year, extraordinary five years. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about Christmas for you this year.

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<v Speaker 1>You might come as a shock, but I'm not a

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<v Speaker 1>real Christmas type person, and I think.

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 2>That was because you look like a borable.

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.720
<v Speaker 1>But I just like to like to have a break.

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I can. My kids are living all over the place.

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we're catching up. So I'm going to get

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.919
<v Speaker 1>some get some time with them, maybe a quick overseas trip.

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I've got a fairly busy year. Next year, you've.

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Got another retreat. So Gary goes on these amazing as well.

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:49.320
<v Speaker 2>He does. He does his sugun, does his chug meditations.

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>And this is why he's looking relaxed. I'm going that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Why look any specific place, not not the stage, just

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 2>sorting a couple of things out.

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 1>But life's pretty good for me at the moment. Robert.

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I know you've seen me at my highs and you've

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>seen it's got to do with relationships and work and

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. But it's in a pretty good space

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>at the moment. So yeah, I'm looking forward to looking

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 1>forward to Christmas. I hope you two have a great Christmas.

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 1>And thank you so much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Lovely yea and on behalf of the listeners gerbs mate,

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 2>thank you. Thank you for all the work you do

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.919
<v Speaker 2>and the conversations you bring and just getting up every day.

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I did make a joke about working for two hours

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:43.240
<v Speaker 2>a week. I know how hard you work. I can't

0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 2>tell you how much I respect the work that you

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>put in the reading that you do, and I know

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that your listeners when the camera's off, I just I

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 2>just know the world's richer for you in it, my mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, yeah, here mutual admiration. You've helped me a

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 1>lot during tough times and we've had a lot of

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 1>fun doing it. So it's great, and thanks for introducing that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love this as well, this beautiful romance. I'm

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 3>going this is how I love to see men talk

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 3>like this about each other, and I hope that more

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 3>of you, all the listeners, are doing that for you know,

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 3>them and their friends as well. That's so lovely, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>cool than thanks for having us. Thank you guys, Sia