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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Part two of the Eye Catch Killers

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Speaker 1: Christmas Special. Yes, I'm a bit tired trying to keep

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Speaker 1: up with Eloise and Rob Carlton, but Part two was

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Speaker 2: All right, friends, welcome back to the second half of

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Speaker 2: the very special Christmas edition of Eye Catch Killers with

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Speaker 2: Rob Carlton, just quickly. So it's a Christmas special which

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Speaker 2: takes me to the first solo show I did. The

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Speaker 3: So I've got a new show. Also a few encores

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Speaker 2: We're doing Canberra Comedy Festival, Newcastle Fringe, then we're doing

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get back into some things now. During

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Speaker 2: know why they've made I was just driving on King Street.

433
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 2: This is sure you got more important, Rob.

434
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: Carp And I was just asking is that your name?

435
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: Su Yes?

436
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm Detective Sergeant Garry Dublin. Now I've been

437
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: called out by the uniform police. Your car has been

438
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: pulled over in King Street in search of the car

439
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: found the bag of canvas.

440
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: Like I said to honestly, mate, no idea, no idea.

441
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: Just stop there for a moment. So you're just I'm walking,

442
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: you're you're just coming into Yeah, you've arrived. Take a seat.

443
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: Jesus is constant concentrate. So we're in the interview room.

444
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: I introduce you. Now. This is Detective Senior Constable Eloise.

445
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 3: Detective Senior Constable after us. Hello, mister Carton.

446
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm the experience detective. We've got him in

447
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: the room. Now we're out of the room. I'm going

448
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: to say we're going to have to exploit his weaknesses.

449
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: Everyone's got a weakness. I'm thinking this soft head that's

450
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: his vanity.

451
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: God, he is a soft head. He looks pretty vain

452
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: thinking about him a bit of a Yeah. Those actors

453
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 3: all are, aren't they They're all of it.

454
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: Let me have a chop at him first.

455
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: No please, no, no no, absolutely.

456
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't doesn't work, I reckon. The other thing is

457
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: you be susceptible to your approach? Yes, you know what

458
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean.

459
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

460
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: You saw him on that white lad. What a creep

461
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: that's what.

462
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 3: What a creepy? People? Too much getting there?

463
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: All right? Rob Carlton, Yeah, you're the actor, aren't you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

464
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 1: I've seen you in so many different shapes. Incredible.

465
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: What was it? What was your favorite?

466
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Oh, when you played Kerry Packer.

467
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look I loved I mean, obviously a real

468
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: honor to be playing a business icon.

469
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: You you won a LOGI for that, didn't you.

470
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, mate, I did, I did, I did. I

471
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: got nominated for a few other ones as well.

472
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: Yep, congratulations, you're getting a sense. He's just he's but

473
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: now I'm going to flip it on him.

474
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: So that tough. It was a tough role out carry.

475
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: Sorry, you realize what you're here for.

476
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, certain plog down there has just gotten all

477
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: out a hand.

478
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 1: I was just that was Senior Constable Bowden. He's been

479
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: in the police for ten years. He's are you referring

480
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: to the police officer at the rest?

481
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good bloke, now you mention it. Yeah, yeah,

482
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: he was all right.

483
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: He had his police dog Spike.

484
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

485
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: Those dogs were certainly showing out.

486
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: Interesting anyway, let's get back to it. The cannabis in

487
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: your car is that yours?

488
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: No? Absolutely not, never seen it before in my life.

489
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: Is that your car that you're driving?

490
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I didn't steal the car.

491
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: Detective, You've got to set the keys to the car. Yep,

492
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: you realize where the car has beens stopped at the

493
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: moment we're doing the forensic examination, the car clearly hasn't

494
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: been broken into it. So who else has access to

495
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: the vehicle? If that, if that bag of cannabis is

496
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: not yours? Who else has access to the cannabis?

497
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: I mean my wife of kids.

498
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So your wife and kids drive the car.

499
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying to do?

500
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: Okay? And you're telling me that cannabis is not theirs.

501
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: They're definitely not theirs and not yours, not mine either, Okay,

502
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how it got there.

503
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: Well, mister Carton, this is how we're going to play this, Okay.

504
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to send uniform police around to your house

505
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: at the moment, and we're going to wake up your

506
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: wife and inform her that you're under arrest. We'll also

507
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: how are you boys? Okay, Well, they're.

508
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: Adults and the lord.

509
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: There's only four people who have got access to the vehicle.

510
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: There's a bag of cannabis in there. You're telling me

511
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: that that cannabis is not yours? I don't care if

512
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm charging you, your wife, or either of your two sons,

513
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: but clearly someone owns the cannabis.

514
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to need to bring her

515
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: in at this point. I know we'd said it up,

516
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 2: but I did, like once you got to dipping my

517
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: wife and charl Spike.

518
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: I am a real detective, mister Carton, and I actually

519
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: resent the fact that you think I resent the fact

520
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: that you think I shouldn't be here.

521
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: No, I was, That's not what that is.

522
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: What did you assume I was a senior person. She

523
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: was a junior person.

524
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: That's actually quite sexist of you, mister Carlton. No, because

525
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: I just a bit of a method acting sort of.

526
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: Look, thanks for mentioning. I did actually get right into it.

527
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: Well, I would like to know is there sort of

528
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: a magical marijuana fairy that is putting this cannabis in

529
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: your car? Because who would own? Who would be putting

530
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: it into your car? Should we be calling your sons?

531
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: Your wife?

532
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: This is at this hour, this is awful.

533
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: Everyone's vulnerableable.

534
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: You could you could approached this with I reckon. I

535
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: can't do what you could do, but I reckon if

536
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: if you was that good? But if you lean in

537
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: the Rob, we can make this girl away. Rob, you

538
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: just you just got to tell the truth. Just tell

539
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: the truth. You'll be charged. You're probably wondering what's going

540
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: to happen. I can't promise you bail. Let's out of

541
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: my control. But I imagine in my experience, you probably

542
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: would get BA and you'll be home with your wife

543
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: and kids.

544
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: See that's not that's a warm that's good, cap.

545
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: You're cop.

546
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: Let's let's assume he's a blake the character he played

547
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: on White Ladies just come in.

548
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, if I was to do that one.

549
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: So let's do it that. We're just so you interview

550
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: me like you just did and try and use my

551
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: wife and kids, and I'll be that guy.

552
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: Okay, focus, Rob, we can make this problem go away.

553
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's not a problem for me. You

554
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: can go, it can stay.

555
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: You don't care. Well, I've already explained to you the

556
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: cannabas is in your car. I've had a forensic examination

557
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: on your vehicle.

558
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: No, I'm not the only person that can get into

559
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: the car. That's your wife and two children. That's right.

560
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Are you saying that it's not.

561
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: Yours, so it's not mine.

562
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: So you're happy for me to send police around to

563
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: your home now and speak to your wife and your

564
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: two children.

565
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if it's a pot, we better get

566
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it.

567
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: Okay, if that's the way you want to play.

568
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: It, mister Carlton. Look, we've got a lot. We'd like

569
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: to go home ourselves.

570
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: We're really too Okay, it's at the same spot.

571
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely not. This is this is a bit much,

572
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: mister Carlton. I resent the fact that you would pin

573
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: your your cannibal.

574
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, none of your business, your business, Okay, answer the question.

575
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 3: Answer the questions, mate.

576
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: That.

577
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: It's hard to interview.

578
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that the question is.

579
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: Harder to Is it hard to interview people with no.

580
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: In the interview room. You can set the you set

581
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: the tone, whether it's you keep it light because that

582
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: might be the best way you try to make that

583
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: make that connection, or you can intimidate through your professionalism.

584
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: But what you never let them do, I think is

585
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: see that they get you rattled. You've always you own

586
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: the interview room. You're going to control the interview room.

587
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: If you come in and it looks like they're getting

588
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the better of you. You cut it the moment that

589
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: you as you strength, the moment you see if I'm rattle,

590
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: say no, matter what you say, it's poker face and

591
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: not going to give you anything. I'll give you emotion

592
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: if I think it's going to help. Like exploiting your

593
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: vanities and saying.

594
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: That's the third time you've said that.

595
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: You told me I had to say it for otherwise

596
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: we weren't coming on that podcast.

597
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: It's just a vanity stuff. I mean, I know it's there,

598
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: but you know, I obsessed. I'm going to jump back

599
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: into another question. Yes, you've got so many questions from

600
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: your podcast. Do you prefer interviewing the cops or the crims? Oh?

601
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's interesting the police. Sometimes I like to

602
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: fall back into the world of policing because it's something

603
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: that was a part of for a very long time.

604
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: But I know I know a lot of cops, so

605
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: for a new experience speaking to speaking to the criminals,

606
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: it's quite interesting because I sit opposite people that I

607
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: never thought i'd get a chance to sit opposite and

608
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: have conversations with them, and these people that, yeah, we

609
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: basically are chene meets for our whole career, and now

610
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: I can sit down and we find common ground and

611
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: I quite quite enjoy it. But diversity, I think with

612
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: a podcast, and I know you laugh when I say

613
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: two hours a week is a lot of work, but

614
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting with the diversity. I think with a podcast,

615
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: we're done over five hundred episodes now, and you've got

616
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: to mix up the guests. I can't. If I spake

617
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: to just all cops the whole time, I'd get bored

618
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: with it. If I spake the crooks, I'd get bored

619
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: with it. So diversity is the thing that the thing

620
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: I joined.

621
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: I saw a post the other day. It was a

622
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: super tough, rough looking guy. He used to be a

623
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: sergeant in arms with an agent Bucky Gang doing that

624
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: thing where he was standing in front of me and

625
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: he was just saying and he was talking a million

626
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: miles an hour, and he's like, man, I just this happened,

627
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: and this happened. I just want everyone to know that

628
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: this is no good and that doesn't play out the

629
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: way then oh my life and all of that, and

630
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: you just I was so pleased for this fellow. Yeah, right,

631
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: that was a life. Yeah, right, because that's not always

632
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: given in that line of work, and that then he

633
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I made a stack of

634
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: bad choices and now I'm trying to make them better.

635
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: How do we help a guy like that try and

636
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: get that information to the younger people that are that

637
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: are having a tough time because a lot of people

638
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: in your experience to most people realize at some point

639
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: that being that criminal or there's a violence to the

640
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: way you're making your money. Do most people figure it

641
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: out that it's not the way to go out there?

642
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: There's usually there's some of the career criminals and or

643
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: inherently bad that not going to change. But that's a

644
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: small percentage. You know, the psychos are the ones that

645
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: need to be taken off the street. It's probably ten

646
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: percent of the criminal world. There's a lot that will

647
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: choose the life of crime because that's they don't see

648
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: there's a bad thing that's their career. I put that

649
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: sort of twenty thirty percent of the type of criminals.

650
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: Then you've got that roughly sixty seventy percent of people

651
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Speaker 1: that have made mistakes. Circumstances have steered them down the path.

652
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Speaker 1: They've made mistakes they're the ones that I think we

653
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Speaker 1: could change, and I think good role models. I love

654
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Speaker 1: the stories of redemption with the criminals that have turned

655
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Speaker 1: their life around, and I think that messaging needs to

656
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Speaker 1: get out to the younger boys and girls that oh,

657
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Speaker 1: this isn't the way to go, This isn't the life

658
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: you want to live. Look, this is what I did.

659
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: I spent twenty years locked up. That's not what you

660
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Speaker 1: want to do. So I think that messaging needs to

661
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: get out. That's where we can make the difference. Jails.

662
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: I did that Breaking Badness series where I went into

663
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Speaker 1: the maximum security prison and that was a real eye opener.

664
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Speaker 1: And they were treating maximum security prisoners with more giving

665
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: them more sense of responsibility, allowing them to integrate back

666
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Speaker 1: into society. Because that to reduce recidivism rate. I reckon

667
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: that should be the benchmark for the way prisons. Prisons

668
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: are run. It was such a healthy environment in that

669
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Speaker 1: the prisoners were prepared or being prepared to come back

670
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Speaker 1: out and integrate in this society. And it's not getting

671
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Speaker 1: soft on prisoners. They had to work, I think it

672
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Speaker 1: was six hours a day and then study six hours

673
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Speaker 1: a day, and then they get one day off a week,

674
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Speaker 1: but it was a built self esteem. They all lived

675
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Speaker 1: in a dorm, Like twenty five maximum prisoners in a dorm,

676
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: all living in there. I thought it would be a bloodbath,

677
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Speaker 1: but they realize this is their chance to turn their

678
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Speaker 1: life around. And I met quite a few impressive people

679
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: in prison, and some have reached out to me since

680
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: they've been out of prison and I'm catching up with

681
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Speaker 1: them and I like, what the what they're doing?

682
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Speaker 3: Wow, amazing. So I've got I'm going to ask a

683
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: question here from Chad. What's the worst case you have

684
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Speaker 3: dealt with in your career as a homicide detective.

685
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Speaker 1: List? There's a list like any time a life has

686
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Speaker 1: been taken, it's horrendous and the impact that it has.

687
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: It's a ripple effect with homicide, So one person is killed,

688
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Speaker 1: but the amount of lives that are destroyed following on

689
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Speaker 1: from that. Me personally, ones that I do a lot

690
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: of a lot of I call them short term homicides

691
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Speaker 1: where you get called out, you're the on call team,

692
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: you investigate it, you might be involved in it for

693
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Speaker 1: a very long time. So the ones that stick with

694
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Speaker 1: me personally, the ones that I've been caught up with

695
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Speaker 1: for a long time, obviously the bower of all one

696
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Speaker 1: people who've listened to the podcasts of three Aboriginal children,

697
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Speaker 1: Colin and Evelyn and Clinton who were murdered. The case

698
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Speaker 1: that cost me my career, the William Tyrell case, I

699
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Speaker 1: think is disgraceful. What's happened. I ran it for four years,

700
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Speaker 1: it's now been going for five or six years since,

701
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Speaker 1: and we've still got no answers.

702
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Speaker 2: In fact, Brooksy Smith, one of your listeners, wants to know,

703
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Speaker 2: do you still lose sleep over that matter?

704
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too dramatic to say a toss and turn.

705
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: It's weighs heavily on my mind. I think lives have

706
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Speaker 1: been damaged and destroyed and we still haven't got answers.

707
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Speaker 1: And I say it every time I have an opportunity

708
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Speaker 1: to say publicly, think there should be an inquiry about

709
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Speaker 1: the William Tyrell matter, whether that's a parliamentary inquiry or

710
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: a public inquiry, and let's find the truth out about

711
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: what's what's happened on that investigation, because I certainly don't

712
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with what I've seen go on for the

713
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Speaker 1: past six years.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I just say, well, there's so many good questions,

715
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: but let's lead with the question. Okay, sorry, this is

716
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Speaker 3: the one because I think this is quite interesting. How

717
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Speaker 3: do you because god, it would be hard not to

718
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: feel personally attached to some of these cases. But how

719
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Speaker 3: do you get over it when you know this is

720
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: from ROMPA? How do you get over it when you

721
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: know someone is guilty of murder is not convicted at trial?

722
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Speaker 3: Is Is that really hard?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

724
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Speaker 1: And it happens. I get over it personally if I

725
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Speaker 1: think myself and my team wherever I'm saying, oh, you're

726
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: working in the team homicide, if we've done everything that

727
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: can be done, then you've got to accept the decision.

728
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: Otherwise it would destroy you and people mentors that I

729
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: looked up to taught me that you can't. You can't

730
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Speaker 1: carry the weight of the result of the court matters.

731
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Speaker 1: The only thing you can control is doing everything that

732
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: you can so you can let it go and you

733
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: still think about it. That can piss you off. I

734
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: know people are involved in murders of the walking the street.

735
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but that's the system we've got

736
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Speaker 1: and you've got to accept it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Gary Jubilan here. Want to get more

739
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Speaker 1: out of VI Catch Killers. Then you should head over

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741
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Speaker 2: I've got a question around your interview guests, Right, it's

745
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: extraordinary what you've done with regards to trying to bridge

746
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: that gap between the cops and the crimps, if you

747
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Speaker 2: want to put it like that, and certainly looking at

748
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: that salvation story, of the redemption story that you really like,

749
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Speaker 2: I think we can also agree and only a naive

750
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: child wouldn't believe this, is that a lot of the

751
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: people in this space are sociopathic, super bright, very manipulative.

752
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: Have you ever gone into an interview felt in the

753
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: moment that it had been going well that this person's

754
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: turned a new leaf, they've got a new direction that

755
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: is society focused, and then come away from that and

756
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: suddenly felt the slick, filthy slide of yuck on you

757
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Speaker 2: as you've fallen under the spell of a sociopath.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to think that as a police officer,

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Speaker 1: as long as I was and doing the type of

760
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Speaker 1: work I was, I had a good rad After that,

761
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm out of the police now, and it's a different

762
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: dynamics when I'm sitting opposite someone and talking in terms

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Speaker 1: of guess there was one on that I had doubts

764
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Speaker 1: about just had a bad energy. And I've had murderers

765
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: on and all sorts of things. I can read people,

766
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: and there was one person that I thought had a

767
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: bad energy. You wouldn't have listened to listen to the

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Speaker 1: podcast because we didn't play it a record.

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Speaker 2: Lovel So that's the full dump button. And so that

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Speaker 2: was just an instint because there are a lot of

771
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Speaker 2: questions here from your listeners. Yeah, what's the instinct, what's

772
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: the procedure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was instinct and just a sense of it. Okay,

774
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Speaker 1: that mightn't be the real story of redemption. I'm looking

775
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Speaker 1: for here, and look at it's an easy, easy mark.

776
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking for interesting people. They reach out come on here.

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Speaker 2: And often these people are very, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I've got the X cop and talking there. He's standing

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Speaker 1: beside me saying, yeah, well done. I look at that.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing, and I think we've got to

781
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Speaker 1: understand this with podcasts, podcast world, I let people tell

782
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: their stories, the listeners can form their views. Yes, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not the gatekeeper here of yeah, do I let

784
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Speaker 1: this person. I always say, if I invite a guest on,

785
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to intentionally do you any harm. So

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Speaker 1: that's my starting point. So don't bring them in and

787
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Speaker 1: set them up and beat up on someone and rip

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Speaker 1: them apart. Why we've got the cameras on. But I

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Speaker 1: also give the audience the respet enough. They don't like

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Speaker 1: all the guests I've got on, and you know, sometimes

791
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Speaker 1: I might like the guests, but I will be polite.

792
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I will provide a platform for the guests to tell

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Speaker 1: their story and let the audience form the view. That's

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Speaker 1: I think that's where we lack in media because there's

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Speaker 1: such a narrative that can be driven by some forms

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Speaker 1: of media, whereas in the podcast world, you've listened to

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Speaker 1: us for two hours, you form your own view. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to vouch for the person. You decide whether

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Speaker 1: you like them or not like them. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the safe, safest way.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a that I guess is a character actor.

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Speaker 2: I'm super drawn to that notion. Have people that are

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Speaker 2: very good presenting falsity and coming across and you know,

804
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Speaker 2: and there are some of the you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: look at someone like Jeffrey Epstein. I mean he the

806
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Speaker 2: world was his oyster for a long long time, and

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Speaker 2: that guy was a monster for all of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, and people can put up that fast and present

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Speaker 1: present a certain way. I think there's people that are

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Speaker 1: greatly respected because of the position they hold that the

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Speaker 1: apps creeps and drop kicks. But yeah, let's I don't

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Speaker 1: look at the title of the position. I look at

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Speaker 1: the person. And one thing that's I've learned since I've

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Speaker 1: been out of the cops, because I don't hang around

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Speaker 1: with cops. Now the people I'm speaking to, and there

816
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Speaker 1: might have been some of the people, lots of people

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Speaker 1: that have done time in prison or whatever, but I

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Speaker 1: can tell the character of the person. And I find

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Speaker 1: some people that they might have spent paid their debt

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Speaker 1: to society, but I rate them in terms of ethics

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Speaker 1: and morals higher than some of the people. I work

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Speaker 1: within the police, and I don't want to come across

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Speaker 1: as shit bagging police. I like the police. There's some

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Speaker 1: great cops in there, but like every walk of life,

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Speaker 1: there's good ones and there's bad ones.

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Speaker 2: What's the I'd be fascinated and I was thinking about

827
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Speaker 2: this when I was out in the surf the other day.

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Speaker 2: I've got no idea why I probably need to speak

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Speaker 2: to someone about that. The reason what I was thinking

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Speaker 2: was I'd be very, very interested in knowing what the

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Speaker 2: average percentage of having a conviction in the general public.

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Speaker 2: Does it go up for police officers and ex police officers.

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Speaker 2: So if you've been part of the place, is that

834
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Speaker 2: part of our society, does it have a higher criminal rate?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know many cops. The ones I do,

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Speaker 2: most of them have records. Because then I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about corruption inside the force. I was thinking about, are

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Speaker 2: there groups of criminals right now going Okay, let's get

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Speaker 2: son one and cousin four to join the force, so

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Speaker 2: that we've got sleepers twenty. Do you think that goes on?

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Speaker 1: Look, it might. There might be the odd and I

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Speaker 1: think in history, not recent history, there's been cases where

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Speaker 1: someone's been checking something for their friend or their cousins

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Speaker 1: or their family, So that might go on. I think

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Speaker 1: we've cops and I haven't really I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: a higher percentage, But I think cops you've got a

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Speaker 1: certain type of character. They might be some risk takers

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Speaker 1: that might skew the statistics on criminal charges. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of it. I know a few cops that have been

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Speaker 1: criminally charged, and some of them are for legitimately bad

851
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Speaker 1: offenses when they when they leave, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that resent their time in the police. And it's

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Speaker 1: funny and I think power crups, and I think power

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Speaker 1: that you have in the cops. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: leave the cops and resent authority like they're very anti

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00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: don't you tell me what to do? Yeah, because they've

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00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: had that power even when you're in the cops. It

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Speaker 1: was and I identified it in myself. If someone's telling you,

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Speaker 1: a security guard telling you, and it might be so,

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Speaker 1: can we just check your bag? You're thinking, and you

861
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Speaker 1: wouldn't react, but your mind's ticking over. I'm a cop,

862
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Speaker 1: and I could imagine saying that out aloud, not thinking that,

863
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Speaker 1: being such a dickhead if you did so. I think

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Speaker 1: that our sort of has the potential to corrupts.

865
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Speaker 3: Do that. Some actors do that. They'll be like, do

866
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: you know who I am?

867
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: As you get this is this really really interesting thing

868
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: that happens in the human body as you get older.

869
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: There's certain things you know, we've done a great thing.

870
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: It's made us feel good, our pride has increased, and

871
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: that might be the very thing that makes us behave

872
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: badly the next day, because it alters our sense of self,

873
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: our sense of entitlement, and all of those things. So

874
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: as an underline on that conversation to all the cops

875
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: out there listening, man, I completely honor what it is

876
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: to serve the community. I respect and understand that at

877
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the night, when some poor kid has

878
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: decided to end it, they're the ones. It's the cops

879
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: that are ones that have gone start knocking on doors

880
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: and talking to parents. With every part of that job,

881
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: there comes a tough bit that I wouldn't want to do,

882
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: and I don't know how I'd go emotionally managing that

883
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: bucket filling every day.

884
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun I was speaking to a Scotland yard

885
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: detective far Scotland. You have detective on this and I've

886
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: done a lot of homicides and all that, and he said,

887
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: I asked him that question, did it effect you? And

888
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: he said, it's funny. When I left the cops, I

889
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: started to become more emotional. When I was in the cops,

890
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: I didn't, and that resonated with me. Like when I

891
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: was the hard ass homicide detective, I did not have

892
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: time to wallow in the emotions and that and you

893
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: would have it, but you would just move on because

894
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: you're onto the next thing. When I step away now,

895
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: like I'm looking back, and some of it sort of

896
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, that was heavy, And yeah, some things become

897
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: more emotional because I think you allow yourself to release

898
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: that emotion. Where isn't the cops You couldn't be this

899
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: blubbering mess because you had to get up and get

900
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: to the job the next day or whatever.

901
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's probably a bit of a point to

902
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: lift off. We think of all the people and what

903
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: it takes that emotional strength and that courage to keep

904
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: getting up, to pick yourself up, to take those hits.

905
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: And that's what life's about, isn't it. Yeah, constantly taking

906
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: me the good and the bad, and it affects us

907
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: in certain ways. But one thing we know for sure,

908
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: the sun will rise and will either be people that

909
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: can smile at others or not smile at others. And

910
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: my hope is that we as a society leaning towards

911
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: more people that have the enough bandwidth to smile at

912
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: a stranger.

913
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah, with the way the world is like,

914
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: if we're too judgmental and the world's like I had

915
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: to learn something upskill on the AI because I was

916
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: doing the talk at the convention center with someone that

917
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: was an expert on it, and I've been falling down

918
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole there. The world is going to change.

919
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: We need people to be able to resilient people. We

920
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: need people to be able to communicate. And that's what

921
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: by just getting back and this is sort of reflection

922
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: on the year because it's a Christmas special for the podcast.

923
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: The people that have come on the journey with me,

924
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: like we get there's been over forty two million downloads. Now,

925
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: that's that's a hell hell of a lot on the podcast.

926
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: But I think they get where I'm coming from with

927
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: this in that we're hearing the guest story, we're forming views.

928
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes we might in a groove everything you say or

929
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: you say it will take a little bit of that

930
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: or a little bit from me, and I think it

931
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: makes it a better better place. But yeah, and in.

932
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: Speaking of better places, Eloise f Tos, what is your

933
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: favorite Christmas gift to either receive or gift so that

934
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: we can offer our listeners for people like me that

935
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: panic like, hell, oh.

936
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: My gosh, this is a tough one. I feel like

937
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: people are doing more of the experience thing, and I

938
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: think that's quite nice instead of rushing around going oh,

939
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 3: I'll just get a candle or just get a pair

940
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: of boxes or whatever. I think sometimes a nice little

941
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: voucher for a movie or a dinner or a shot.

942
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 3: I love it. But even then I'm going.

943
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: To catch killers Christmas special. If you want a great gift,

944
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: whether they look there, there.

945
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: We go well as well say yeah, coming to you.

946
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: We don't know the name of your show next, well, it.

947
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: Might be the working titles Aphrodity, so it might still

948
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: be that. We'll see. But you can find my on

949
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: my Instagram. I have everything on there, so it's a

950
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: Weezer Squeezers, my Instagram handle we is at a squ

951
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: is at a and yeah I post everything on there,

952
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: all my shows and all the links and everything.

953
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a great thing.

954
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: That's me and you Rob definitely.

955
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: So all my tickets will be on sale by December five.

956
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 2: There's a whole stack on right now. The reason I'm

957
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: really excited to offer this up as a Christmas present.

958
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: I've got all my ticketing prices have twenty five dollars

959
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 2: for under twenty fives, so I've got I've got adult

960
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: pricing for normal festival pricing for the main tickets, but

961
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars for under twenty fives. For two reasons, One,

962
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: I want more people in their early to mid twenties

963
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: getting out coming to see my show. Is I cover

964
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that I think is really great

965
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: for those mid twenties, and honestly, I bury myself in

966
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: my twenties, man, and so I want to share that

967
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: so that you at list younger people don't have to

968
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: bury yourselves. But the other reason is because families can

969
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: come to this show together. I want if you're a

970
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: parent out there and you've got a kid that's between

971
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: twenty five and fifteen, and you're feeling you want to

972
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: have more conversations or different conversations. If you were to

973
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: come to my show with your child or your younger friends,

974
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: then my stories will generate conversations for you because I'm

975
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: going to tell you things that you're going to go,

976
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: oh God, really and in your heart of hearts you're

977
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: going to know, Yeah, I did something like that too,

978
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: So I'll bring it up. Well you guys, and you

979
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: guys can chat about show.

980
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd be laughing about the incests anyone

981
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: could make that.

982
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to finish up Gary, my friend, my dear

983
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: dear friend. Christmas for Gary jubil And what does Christmas

984
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: for Jubes look like in twenty twenty five. You've been

985
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: through such an extraordinary year, extraordinary five years. Tell me

986
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: about Christmas for you this year.

987
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: You might come as a shock, but I'm not a

988
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: real Christmas type person, and I think.

989
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: That was because you look like a borable.

990
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: But I just like to like to have a break.

991
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: I can. My kids are living all over the place.

992
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: I think we're catching up. So I'm going to get

993
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: some get some time with them, maybe a quick overseas trip.

994
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: I've got a fairly busy year. Next year, you've.

995
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: Got another retreat. So Gary goes on these amazing as well.

996
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: He does. He does his sugun, does his chug meditations.

997
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: And this is why he's looking relaxed. I'm going that's.

998
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: Why look any specific place, not not the stage, just

999
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: sorting a couple of things out.

1000
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: But life's pretty good for me at the moment. Robert.

1001
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: I know you've seen me at my highs and you've

1002
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: seen it's got to do with relationships and work and

1003
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But it's in a pretty good space

1004
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: at the moment. So yeah, I'm looking forward to looking

1005
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: forward to Christmas. I hope you two have a great Christmas.

1006
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: And thank you so much for coming on.

1007
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: Lovely yea and on behalf of the listeners gerbs mate,

1008
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you for all the work you do

1009
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: and the conversations you bring and just getting up every day.

1010
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: I did make a joke about working for two hours

1011
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: a week. I know how hard you work. I can't

1012
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: tell you how much I respect the work that you

1013
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: put in the reading that you do, and I know

1014
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: that your listeners when the camera's off, I just I

1015
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: just know the world's richer for you in it, my mate.

1016
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, here mutual admiration. You've helped me a

1017
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: lot during tough times and we've had a lot of

1018
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: fun doing it. So it's great, and thanks for introducing that.

1019
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: This is beautiful.

1020
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: But I love this as well, this beautiful romance. I'm

1021
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: going this is how I love to see men talk

1022
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: like this about each other, and I hope that more

1023
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: of you, all the listeners, are doing that for you know,

1024
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: them and their friends as well. That's so lovely, guys,

1025
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: cool than thanks for having us. Thank you guys, Sia