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Speaker 1: A good a team. You're bloody champions. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: installment of the You Projector's harps Craig Anthey harp alive

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Speaker 1: from the thriving metropolis, Well not live, live as I speak,

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Speaker 1: but recorded as you hear, I guess, from the thriving

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Speaker 1: metropolis of Melbourne. Now today's guest I had on a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. I don't even know. I should have

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Speaker 1: But it was fucking two hundred years ago when we

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Speaker 1: were just baby stepping the whole podcast experience, and now

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Speaker 1: we're old, now we're old hands at it. It would

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Speaker 1: have been a good four or five years ago, I think.

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Speaker 1: Damon Hayhowe, Hi buddy, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Eh mate? Great to hear your Ossie accent. I was

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Speaker 2: listening to the show last night and the first thing

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Speaker 2: that struck me was just, you know, seeing as I

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Speaker 2: haven't been there for a few years, like, whoa so Australian?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, good to hear you man. Which one we're

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Speaker 1: listening to? Can you remember was it a solo one

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Speaker 2: It was the solo one and you said some pretty

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Speaker 2: profound stuff that I found quite interesting, so it was good.

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Speaker 2: It was the most recent one, sixteen eighty nine. I

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Speaker 1: Oh good, I'm glad you listen. Thank you. Hey. So

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Speaker 1: for my listeners who don't know who you are, which

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Speaker 1: I would think at this my point in time might

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see wherever the fuck we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm a guy who lifted some heavy weights

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Speaker 2: and they handed me some trophies for that. And so

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Speaker 2: then I went and somehow started a business teaching other

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Speaker 2: And then I started an organization to credit people who

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Speaker 2: then I built a piece of software that helps direct

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Speaker 2: people lifting heavyweights and taking off the clothes and flexing

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Speaker 2: their muscles, which allowed me to bail on Melbourne during

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Speaker 2: COVID because screw that and live anywhere else in the

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Speaker 2: world that I chose to. So that's my life story.

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Speaker 1: And have you been in the same place the whole

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Speaker 1: time or do you move? Like where are I actually

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to this question everyone. Where are

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Speaker 2: Right now? I'm in my apartment in Tabilisi, Georgia, just

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Speaker 2: I've been watching all of the really interesting NATO EU

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Speaker 1: What why to Bleisi? Like what where? How do you

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Speaker 1: in America, Georgia, the country near Georgia, the small little country. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: how it came along completely corrupt. They didn't even have

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Speaker 2: the heads of every government department and they gutted seventy

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Speaker 2: You can as an Australian New Zealander, you can come

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Speaker 2: it's not funny. The government's like no government I've ever

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Speaker 1: So yeah, fucking you should work for them. You're like

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Speaker 1: the best pr This is terrible. But what is the

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Speaker 2: we've got about a mill a million and a half here.

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Speaker 1: And how big is it, let's say, compared to I

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Speaker 1: don't know Victoria. Geographically, it's pretty small.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's a small ish country. I need to

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Speaker 1: That is so fucking interesting. See when you said ten

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Speaker 2: When I mean when I first for me the COVID thing,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love that country. Istanbul is just amazing. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Kuala Lumpur I've been before and I like and Georgia

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Speaker 1: Have you like, it's it's very rare that somebody is

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Speaker 1: but the chance of me doing it next to fucking zero.

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Speaker 2: and so Australia was already my second home. I've never

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So what do you do over there? Mate?

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Speaker 1: How do you make No? Do you need to make dough?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Like, by the way, Damon and I

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Speaker 1: what he did. He could be a fucking trillionaire. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. But are you still Are you still working?

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Speaker 1: And if you are, what do you do? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So the software that I was doing when I was

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Speaker 2: when we were chatting earlier years ago, that's still going.

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Speaker 2: So that's been thirteen odd years now. So that's my

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Speaker 2: But that said, one of the other benefits of TBLISI

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Speaker 2: was just that lower cost of living than what you

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Speaker 2: can get technically temporary residence, but you get residency in

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Speaker 2: You know. The deposit on a on a on a

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Speaker 1: It's I'll do even I mean, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is, but it's it's. The median house price in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne is it's around a million dollars. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is now, Yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: It's it's and what you say, it's what and what

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Speaker 2: Live in it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some friends of mine who are not rich, they're just

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Speaker 2: Shopping malls are everywhere, supermarkets are everywhere. They've all got

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Speaker 2: It would seem wages alone. So I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so have you made this is a dumb question,

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Speaker 2: Have you got a social network? Like I say, you

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Speaker 2: I mean, you really feel that in Dubai you've have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I feel like I feel like Tblisi is

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Speaker 1: So that is it's a wonder you don't have some

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Speaker 2: That was the first friend that I made, and he

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Speaker 1: I'm really interested in your lifestyle, so I love this

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Speaker 2: So I don't remember me.

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing about you. You were like this fucking

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And what a fucking amazing facility, by

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Speaker 2: In some ways, Absolutely, yeah, and there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: Who are they?

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Speaker 2: You know? And it's always that case of if you're

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Speaker 2: bullshit because it's bullshit. And that doesn't gel with a

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Speaker 1: And I think also when when you're getting your information

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Speaker 2: view of things a little bit. It's that case of

433
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Speaker 2: who the fuck are you to sanction anything? Like you know,

434
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: you I've I've never met a bureaucrat or an academic

435
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: who was particularly competent in anything that they actually did.

436
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: They spoke a lot of shit, and they said that,

437
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, we make the rules for the other people

438
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: who do it, but the people who do it normally

439
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: hate them and are doing everything they can to work

440
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: around the bureaucratic crap. And you know, I think I

441
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: told you the story when we spoke last of how

442
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: I tried to create a course and I went and

443
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: did my certificate for and it was years ago, so

444
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called now, but.

445
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: The workplace training thing, like that's.

446
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: The one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for the vocational training.

447
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: And then a client of mine put me in contact

448
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: with the lady who at the time was apparently the

449
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: head of the vocational education department, and I said to her,

450
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: it's like, I want to create this course for basically

451
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: elite level pts. Who focus on bodybuilding style training, and

452
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't want them to just get the piece of

453
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: paper based on the fact that they sat in a

454
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: classroom and listened to some stuff and regurgitated into a

455
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: you know, on an exam sheet and long and short

456
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: of it. She said, well, you can't do that. And

457
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: the example that she gave was she said, for example,

458
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: you couldn't deny a double am QT a certificate in

459
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: CPR even though it's physically impossible for a person with

460
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: no arms to do CPR. This was the example given

461
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: by the head of the department, right, And I'm like,

462
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: what good is a qualification in CPR if you have

463
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: no arms and you can't perform CPR. And she's like, well,

464
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: you can be competent in it, but not actually able

465
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: to do it. So it would be discrimination not to

466
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: give him a certificate a qualification in CPR just because

467
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: he can't do CPR. It's like, right, and she said,

468
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: because if there was somebody else around with two arms,

469
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: you know, they could explain how to do it. And

470
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: it's like someone's going to be dead on the basis

471
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: of this qualified person with no arms being there. Like,

472
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: so you give a job to a person who's qualified

473
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: in CPR but has no arms and can't actually perform CPR.

474
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: They can be an ambulance officer, now can they? And

475
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: that would be discrimination? So what is what are these

476
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: qualififications worth anymore? So? I was looking at certificate three

477
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: and nutrition and Certificate three and nutrition doesn't actually teach

478
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: you anything about protein, carbs or fat.

479
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Right, what does it teach you?

480
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: It teaches you about the dietary but the sensitivities of

481
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: cultural needs and dietary things and how workplace health and

482
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: safety around the kitchen and just anything other than actual nutrition.

483
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: But you qualified and nutrition now and it's just I

484
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: can't work with them. This, this is just crap.

485
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: So what is the what's the state of affairs in

486
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: terms of gyms in Tibilisi or in Georgia? Like, is

487
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: there a fit this industry per se? Is there are

488
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: there trainers?

489
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's personal trainers here and they're doing the same

490
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: useless ship that all the personal trainers in Australia do.

491
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: And it's it's quite funny. Actually, there's there's not a

492
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: huge amount of English spoken in Georgia or some of

493
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: the other countries that I've been either and every single

494
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: gym I've been to, all of the platitudes up on

495
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: the on the wall, all written in English. Oh really,

496
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, go hard or go home, and all of

497
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: these sorts of things, And it's just it's just interesting.

498
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: It's like none of the people here actually understand this,

499
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: that it speaks volumes to how worthless the platitudes are

500
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: always thought that It's like we even write these same

501
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: things on the wall and countries that don't even speak

502
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: the language.

503
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: It is interesting, isn't it. I've always thought about and

504
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you know, I was in on the

505
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: ground floor, as you well know, with personal training, but

506
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I've always thought, sure were it's it's personal training is

507
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: so like the actual job, like to do it well,

508
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: to do it well, Like people don't understand to actually

509
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: to actually do that role where you train people or

510
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: work with people, consult, coach whatever, teach, educate in by

511
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: all that shit where it is such a big job

512
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: where you need so much knowledge, right because apart from

513
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: the you know, anatomy and physiology and biomechanics and nutrition

514
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: and energy systems, and you also need to understand the

515
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: person in the body as well as the body. You know,

516
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: and it's it's the I can't say who because I

517
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: don't want to get anyone in trouble, but someone that

518
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I know very well. Their kids are doing the course

519
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: at the moment, and let's just say that some of

520
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the shit that they're learning is so fucking so far

521
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: from the market what you well, and it's just irrelevant crap.

522
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: But the stuff, the stuff that they I believe that

523
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: really really matters, and they're not being taught. But also

524
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: part of the problem, damon, is that you know, and

525
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm generalizing this is not everybody, but you've got people

526
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: in front of these students. It's teaching these students who

527
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: don't work in the fucking industry and never have you know,

528
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: and couldn't teach you how to do a squad a

529
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: deadlift or you know what I'm saying. It's like.

530
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: But this comes back to our discussion previously, and one

531
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: of my biggest grievance is about the whole that industry,

532
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: and it applies across most industries unfortunately. But it's the

533
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: product that you think of as personal training, that you

534
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: created with Harper's Fitness all the way back in the day,

535
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 2: is not the product that the fitness industry is about

536
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: the fitness industry is part of the health industry. They've

537
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: changed that recently, but it's always been part of a

538
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: health industry and it's a case of going. The majority

539
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: of Australians are going to die of a horrible disease

540
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: because they're completely and utterly sedentary, and all we need

541
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: to do is get them off. They're ass for half

542
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: an hour three times per week. And so the course

543
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: that you'll learn it it doesn't matter whether you squat

544
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: effectively or well. If you go and you do bad

545
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: squats every single day, that's health and fitness. That's great.

546
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: You're doing rat shit squats, awesome. You're doing ratshit squats

547
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: with a polystyrene barbell. That's fantastic. You'll never go anywhere,

548
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: you'll get bored and you'll quit. That's another problem. But

549
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: we've got you active. We've solved the only problem that

550
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: there is. So given the fact that they've got to give,

551
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: as I said, you can give double amputees qualifications and

552
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: CPR even though they can't do it, you get complete

553
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: nafties going into the course. You're not allowed to fail

554
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: anybody anymore because that would be discrimination. You're not giving

555
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: them every chance to succeed. So that's literally the wording

556
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: that they use. It's discrimination if you fail somebody, So

557
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: you've got a water down the course to be the simplest, basic,

558
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: most useless shit that it can possibly be, where that

559
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: person can't harm a completely incompetent per So an incompetent

560
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: person can't harm another incompetent person when teaching them to

561
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: waste their time doing half an hour of any random

562
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: crap that there is. So what do they teach them?

563
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: They teach them basic rehabilitation techniques and boring useless shit

564
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: that you and I know won't won't shed a pound

565
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: or develop an athlete in any way, shape or form.

566
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: But developing an athlete is not the point. And then

567
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: the whole and then the bit that makes me mad

568
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: is that the industry then goes around pretending that what

569
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: it's about is creating athletes and athleticism and the ability

570
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: to do good squats and enjoy these high energy workouts,

571
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's not your industry. You're not selling that,

572
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to do that, even except they know

573
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: that the product everyone wants to buy is that everyone

574
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: wants to be this high energy you know, ripped abs, muscular,

575
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. That's what people are buying.

576
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to sell it, and so it's just

577
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: dishonest to its core, from top to bottom the course,

578
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: to the advertising, to the product being sold by the gyms,

579
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: to what's actually covered by the insurance. Everything about it's

580
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: just a bunch of lies, and we know how it works.

581
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: In the gyms. Eighty five percent non attendance is the

582
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: goal because the gym couldn't possibly operate if all of

583
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: the members actually turned up and use the facilities. So

584
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: everything about it is just this grotesque ripof.

585
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: I've said, I've spoken about that number before. I don't

586
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: know where that came from, but I remember hearing that.

587
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: The term I was I heard was active gym membership

588
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: and it was fifteen percent, which meant that of the

589
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: current members in most gyms in Australia, about fifteen percent

590
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: actually went actually to the facility.

591
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because in any kind of depreciation on the Yeah,

592
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: the other wouldn't pass if they all turned up and

593
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: you couldn't get on all of the equipment, and they

594
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to run the facility if everyone turned up.

595
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: So they want eighty five percent non attendance. It's pay

596
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: your membership, stay doll away. Yeah. Yeah, well, the facilitated

597
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: if you think about it, it was like, I don't

598
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 2: know if it was deliberate, but it's certainly facilitated by

599
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: things like treadmills and bikes and all of those sorts

600
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: of things. Like who the hell you and I have

601
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: been training? I mean I've been thirty three years. You'd

602
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: be around the same or longer. You know, would you

603
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: be walking on a treadmill three times a week an

604
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: hour for thirty three Hell no, who's going.

605
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: To do that?

606
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: You wouldn't do it for thirty three days?

607
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: And dude, I started when I was I was fourteen,

608
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: which is fucking forty seven years ago. I'm sixty one.

609
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. But yeah, it's it's it is amazing. Let's

610
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: get on something more positive. Yeah, no, no, it's all good.

611
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: I love it because you know, it's it's true. And

612
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: I try to get people to understand. You know, they

613
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: are good and bad gyms, good and bad trainers, just

614
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: like there are good and bad brick layers. They're good

615
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: and bad bloody neurosurgeons. Right, it's not absolutely Yeah, you know,

616
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: there are great people and not so great people. But

617
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: explain to people what your business is now, Like, what

618
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: is it that you do now?

619
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: Now is just the software. So before I used to

620
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: have the gym, there used to be the anti aging

621
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: medical business, and then also the registration business for personal

622
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: trainers to be insured for actually being able to train

623
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: people with heavyweights. And now is just the software. And

624
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: the software is Recomposer, and it's it's an app for

625
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: coaches to prescribe diet and training to their clients in

626
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: order to alter their physique. So yeah, as of the

627
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: last few years, that's been a bit of an uphill battle,

628
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: which I won't get into because it's boring, but it's

629
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: just been you know, we needed to rebuild it, and

630
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: the rebuild didn't go so good, so then we had

631
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: to rebuild it again and so a lot of money

632
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: went flushed down the toilet and finally we've got everything

633
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: back to where it started, except working much faster and better.

634
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you were you were really in early,

635
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: an early adopter in terms of you know, getting in

636
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: with with an app those years ago. Yeah, Now there's

637
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: a fucking there's a mine field of apps isn't.

638
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: There There really is. Yeah, the difference is so I

639
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: actually I taught myself. My dad bought me a little computer,

640
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: a little Dick Smith computer for my ninth birthday, and

641
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: I just wanted to play games like any kid did,

642
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: and my parents didn't want to spend the money on

643
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: these games for me to be sitting there like an

644
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: idiot playing games. So I taught myself algebra and programmed

645
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: my own games. And because that's what you do, it's

646
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: just you solve the problem. So I was programming from nine,

647
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: just in basic. But then by the time I was twelve,

648
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: I'd started to dabble an assembly language, which is the

649
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: very low level code that runs on devices and things now.

650
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: But I was a nerd into computers for a very

651
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: very long time, and then I got into weight training

652
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: and I came back around to it and work for

653
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: some web development companies for a while doing systems architecture

654
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: and such, and basically I had a staff member leave

655
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: my business and take all of the company IP with them,

656
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: so we had everything in spreadsheets and all the rest

657
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: of it. And I was like, well, this is a

658
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: very bad way of running a business. If there's going

659
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: to be any sort of sustainability to it. So I

660
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: designed this app as a tool for my company to write,

661
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: create our programs and diets for the clients. Prescribe all

662
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: of the weights, prescribe all the nutrition, measure their body composition,

663
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: do all of the calculations for body fat from the

664
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: skin folds, et cetera, et cetera. And it was designed

665
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: to answer a business problem. I didn't go, I want

666
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: to make money from an app and leave the country

667
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: and live around the world. It was my business has

668
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: a serious risk, and we've already got the systems in place,

669
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: but we need to develop them on an online platform.

670
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: So we did that and then I licensed it out

671
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: to other people and it turned into a business where

672
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: the way things are now is that you've just got

673
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: all of these people out there going you need an app.

674
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 2: It's like, what does the app do? It doesn't matter.

675
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: You need an map, and everyone's got a nap and

676
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: most of them are completely useless, and most of the

677
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: apps out there when it comes to training and diet

678
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: are I describe them as being like a shopping list

679
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: app where you write down what you bought at the

680
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: supermarket after you went to the supermarket. Completely fucking useless.

681
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: You just why would you want to diorize what you ate?

682
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: It's just sort of like, wow, now I've got a

683
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: full list of everything that I ate to turn into

684
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: a fat bustard. Awesome, what do you do about it?

685
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: That's not the way that it works. It needs to

686
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: be prescriptive. It needs to be a scientific experiment. You

687
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: need to go I think if I eat this and

688
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I do this, that this will be the outcome. So

689
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: I practice what I've written down, and then I measure

690
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 2: and test whether or not my hypothesis was correct. And

691
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: that's how recomposer works. It's we set a goal for

692
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: a body composition. We write a diet which prescribes every

693
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: gram of every food to eat it every meal, every day,

694
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: and then the training program which prescribes every weight to

695
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: lift it every workout, on every set of every exercise.

696
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: And at the end of the week, you measure your

697
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: body composition again and go did it work? And if

698
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: it didn't, you go, well, how was the result different

699
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: to what I expected? And therefore, what do I logically

700
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: do to get a different result? He goes, this is very,

701
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: very logical, but my god, you wouldn't believe how furious

702
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: it makes people when you suggest doing things this way,

703
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: like that's on scientific, that's not science and evidence based,

704
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: and you don't need to do it like that. And

705
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: it's like, well, yeah, actually you do. You need to

706
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: measure and plan in order to measure whether or not

707
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: your plan worked. It's like, no, you don't. You could

708
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 2: just do stuff and eat stuff and it's fine.

709
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: It's yeah, well, I think I think we're really I mean,

710
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I talk a lot about with my groups and my

711
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: audiences and running a mentoring group at the moment, which

712
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: is a ten week group. And we spoke last night

713
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: about last night is tonight Tuesday? Yeah? Last night Monday.

714
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, the idea of your life being an ongoing experiment,

715
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: and my life has been in some ways, My life

716
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: has been an an equals one experiment since I was

717
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: a fat fourteen year old, right, And here we are

718
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: forty seven years later, and I'm still adapting and adjusting

719
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: my protocol because my physiology changes, my needs, change the

720
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: way that my body will respond to different stimuli, change

721
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: what worked for me.

722
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: When I am changes the Yeah, what's in the food

723
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: that you ate this week is not what was in

724
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: the food that you eight ten years ago.

725
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Fucking oath. And you know, so you go, you know, like,

726
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: what used to work for me with three or four

727
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: meals a day, what works for me now is too

728
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: And when I say that, that's not a recommendation for

729
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: anyone else. That's not I'm not saying you should. I'm

730
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: saying here's what happens. When I ate three, I gain that,

731
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: I go. It depends. I'm sure I could create a

732
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: model at work, but for right now, I eat it

733
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: about why bother?

734
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: It's I can get this, So I do this, yeah.

735
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: At seven am and seven pm aroundabouts, and it works.

736
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm eighty four kilos, I'm pretty lean. I'm probably under

737
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: twelve percent. I'm quite strong. I've got enough muscle for

738
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: an old fucker, and and things are okay, you know.

739
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: And it's that that kind of tendency for people to

740
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: trust and believe people who don't even know them, you know,

741
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: when they go you should do this, this and this,

742
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: yeahs based on fucking nothing I've.

743
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Had over the years where it's like someone goes to

744
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: them just goes, oh my god, you look fabulous.

745
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: What have you been doing?

746
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: Your skin looks good, your eyes are your hair is shiny,

747
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: and you've lost so much fat and you just look

748
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: like a bundle of energy and so healthy and you're

749
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: getting leaner, and da da da da da, what are

750
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: you doing? They're like, Oh, well, we met this guy

751
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: and we eat this food and we do this Tralia,

752
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: you can't do that. That's completely wrong, that's not sustainable,

753
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: that's not what works. And it's like you start, you

754
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: literally started the conversation having noticed the evidence of it.

755
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, I think also, you know, obviously, when

756
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: you talk about food, when you talk about exercise, when

757
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: you talk about supplements, when you talk about health, when

758
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: you talk about lifestyle habits, behaviors and protocols, there is

759
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: a huge percentage of the population that is emotional about

760
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: all of that or some of that hugely Now, and

761
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: you think, damon, how many people have like, for example,

762
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: I won't even say which, but they have their identity

763
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: is intertwined with their training protocol, or their identity is

764
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: interchangeable with their eating paradigm. I am a fill in

765
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: the blank, right, And so when the way that you eat,

766
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: or the way that you train, or even your fucking

767
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: job for that matter, or your beliefs, when your beliefs

768
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: basically shape your identity. Well, now you have made yourself

769
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: essentially unteachable unless I am reinforcing your current thinking, which

770
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: is confirmation bias, which is your own personal echo chamber. Right,

771
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: So this is this is one of the dangers, and

772
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: this is one of the practical realities and real world

773
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: realities of you know, like, I've been working with bums

774
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: and legs and bodies and micros and macros and minds

775
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: and all that shit forever and I'm still learning. I'm

776
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: still learning doing my PhD. I'm nearly done. I'm an

777
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: exercise scientist. I've got a whole lot of shit and

778
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: I probably know five per cents. May yeah, I know

779
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: not five percent of what there is to know, and

780
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm constantly getting shit wrong and some shit right, you know.

781
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: But it's such a it's such an emotional triggering, you know,

782
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: shit I.

783
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: First, yeah, you know, because I've I've never drank in

784
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: my life, so sign sign never been oh good man,

785
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 2: And well then you'd understand and you'd know this as well.

786
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: How you'd go to a party or a bar with

787
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: work colleagues or something like that, and how violently upset

788
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: people get with you for not drinking, and it's it's like, my,

789
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: my consumption of alcohol doesn't affect your enjoyment of alcohol whatsoever.

790
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm not judging you, but they feel judged. And that

791
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: was what I felt it came down to, was that

792
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: fact that nobody sees drunken disorderly behavior as an attractive,

793
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, positive thing to be doing with yourself. But

794
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: so long as everybody else is doing it, it's okay.

795
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: And then as as.

796
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Someone comes along who's just like I just don't want

797
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: to do that, they feel very insecure and judged because

798
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: they know they're partaking in something that to them, they

799
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: know is not the way that they ideally should be

800
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: behaving sort of thing. And that seems I've seen that

801
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: mirroad over the years with the people who have that

802
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: same problem with eating, and it's really it's been really

803
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: interesting with the way that I do the food thing,

804
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: where it's like a person comes to me, pays for

805
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: a diet, and I say, the deal is this, I

806
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to work for you. I don't

807
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: know what food allergies you have or anything else like that.

808
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: I've got a damn good idea and I know how

809
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: to fuel you for your weight training. But here's what

810
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: we need to do. I want to give you this

811
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: many calories at this percentage protein, carbs, and fats. You

812
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: choose the food. We're going to build the diet together.

813
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: You're going to tell me what you want to eat

814
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: based on the options that I go are available to you.

815
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: I only want you to eat it for seven days.

816
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: You choose the food. You make it fit your preferences,

817
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: your lifestyle, everything else like that. I just want my numbers.

818
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: You do it for seven days, I measure you and

819
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: we see if it works. Can you do that? You're

820
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: just giving me three hundred dollars. You choose the food.

821
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Can you eat the food?

822
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: And some very few people will go no, that's just ridiculous.

823
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: But most people will just go, well, yeah, I'm going

824
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: to give you three hundred dollars, and that makes total

825
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: sense to me. I eat the food so you can

826
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: measure what it does. A week later, they've already got

827
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: visible feelable transformation and they're going, Wow, this is incredible,

828
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: and you go, cool, let's make an adjustment. Okay, you're

829
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: bored of that, will swap that out for this. That's

830
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: the numbers. Seven days. I'll see you in seven days,

831
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: will measure it again. It's amazing how little motivation is

832
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: required in a person to do the thing when the

833
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: thing just makes sense. And it's not you take away

834
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: that judgment element from it. It's just you choose the food.

835
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: Let's eat it for a week, measure what it does.

836
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: That answers the question it doesn't work, we need to

837
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: change it. It does work, Happy days, keep going.

838
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you said. I mean

839
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: essentially what you said. Correct me if I get it wrong.

840
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: But I say this all the time. As well as

841
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: what we're doing is we're taking a highly educated guess,

842
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: but we don't know exactly how your individual physiology will respond.

843
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, because you and I could see ten guys

844
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: or ten girls or whatever a mix and who might

845
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: look and seem similar, and so we give them a

846
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: similar protocol and we get different outcomes. And so that

847
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: is why you know that an equals one. Well, let's

848
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a fair bit of knowledge, we've

849
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: got a fair bit of research, we've got a fair

850
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: bit of evidence under our belt. Let's I think this

851
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: is a really good starting point. But let's do this

852
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: and see what your body tells us because it's always

853
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: going to tell us.

854
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Something exactly, and everything's relative too. So it's when you

855
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: realize that you're not trying to achieve the This is

856
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: not teleportation. We're not going to just eat the right

857
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: food and then pop out a bed tomorrow morning with

858
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: the hercules ripped physique that we've always wanted in our dreams.

859
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: It's a process. So it's just like, well, let's start here.

860
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: It's going to be a move in the right direction.

861
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: We can be pretty certain of that. And you know

862
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: if you get if you get one day into it

863
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: and you're going to the toilet eight times, then it's like,

864
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: give me a call, we'll fix the diet. Like, clearly

865
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: it's not working. But chances are they're the foods that

866
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: you like anyway and you want to fit in your day.

867
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: It's like, let's just structure them a little differently, take out,

868
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, but also focus on the positive. It's also

869
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: that we're eating to achieve something and you are doing

870
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: it only to find out whether it gets the result.

871
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: So you know, I'll say to clients, if you eat

872
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: a pizza on Wednesday night, I'm not saying it's going

873
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: to make you fat. It won't You might wake up

874
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: the next morning looking better or looking Who knows the

875
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: problem with eating the pizza on Wednesday night is that

876
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: when I test you on Friday, I don't know whether

877
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: the result was the diet or the pizza. Maybe you

878
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: need to eat pizza every day or every Wednesday. I

879
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: don't know, because you threw another variable in there. So

880
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: just don't eat the pizza on this Wednesday so we

881
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: can measure what the diet did. And most people go,

882
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: that makes sense. You're not integrating me or telling me

883
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: something that the evidence doesn't line up, because everyone says

884
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: to me, if I eat the pizza, I get fat.

885
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: But when I eat a pizza, I'm not fat the

886
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: next day.

887
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: So yes, it is. It is funny that, you know,

888
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: when people kind of infer that, like you were saying,

889
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, with you not drinking booze and people being

890
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: defensive or whatever, or that whole kind of you make

891
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: me feel I find that a very interesting mindset. And

892
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: I say to people when they say you make me

893
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: feel like this, I go, so, I'm in charge of

894
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: your feelings now, And I'd say that, you know, I'm like, dude,

895
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm not in charge of that that's just your individual response.

896
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: And if I'm that.

897
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: Was already there, I just triggered it.

898
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: By the way the way that I live, in the

899
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: way that I think, and my last dollar. My operating

900
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: is on no level a recommendation. I'm just telling you

901
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: what I fucking do. If you don't want to know,

902
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: that's cool, you know, But what I can tell you

903
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: is that it is in your interest to try to

904
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: figure out what works for you optimally. Hey, mate, we've

905
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: got maybe ten minutes. I want to ask you some

906
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of rapid fire questions because I think people will

907
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: be interested in. Now I'm going to ask you a

908
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: question and I want you to try and get an

909
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: answer out in about one minute. You're a fucking chatty kathy,

910
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: so that's.

911
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: Going to be harkened to do.

912
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: So let's see how we go. All right, one or

913
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: two minutes of advice For people who are absolute beginners,

914
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: they're listening to you and they're like, kind of makes sense.

915
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I know you could talk about

916
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: this for an hour, but I don't know where to start.

917
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Just give me a fucking something, damon, give me a

918
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: where to start so I can maybe open the open

919
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: the door tomorrow.

920
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: The body that you acknowledge that the body that you want,

921
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: because I assume we're talking about body composition here, that's

922
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: what they're training.

923
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: For, changing their body, whatever that means to them.

924
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: The body that you want is a superior physical specimenist,

925
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: a superior athlete to the body that you currently have.

926
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: That's the sole difference. It all comes down to the

927
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: athletic performance. It's not about going and doing random bunches

928
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: of shit as punishment or penance for having sinned or

929
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: anything else. You've got to find something that actually interests

930
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: you in terms of an athletic endeavor and legitimately try

931
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: to get really, really really good at it. And if

932
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: you can do that, everything else takes care of itself.

933
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: Perfect all right, And I know this list is very long,

934
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: but the most common mistakes and I know this, but

935
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: across the board in general terms, the most common mistakes

936
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: that people make with diet. Now, I know this is

937
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: almost a stupid question, but go processed food.

938
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: That's it. It's nobody got fat eating organic chicken and

939
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: rice in any quantity. It can't be done right. The

940
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: reason that we have so many people so fat is

941
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: because of the source that they add to the chicken

942
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: and the rice, and the obsession with flavor and the

943
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: obsession with convenience. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about

944
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: protein bars or pre workout formulas or anything else, whatever

945
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: the hell they stick into food these days. These things

946
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: that God did not put on this planet to be

947
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 2: consumed by human beings, Whatever is in it, that's what's

948
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: causing all the problems. Because wherever you go in the world,

949
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: where where people don't eat that shit, they don't have

950
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: any of the problems that we have. And that's the

951
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: number one thing. Just eat natural foods. And it's pretty difficult.

952
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we're as a starting point, that's

953
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: the primary thing. It would be before I even get

954
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: to protein, carbs and fats. If you're eating shit, you're

955
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: eating shit, and who knows what it's going to do. Yeah,

956
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: And I measure that. I've been measuring this stuff in

957
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: people for decades and the difference that a little bit

958
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: of shit makes is profound. You know, if you think

959
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: a diet coke doesn't make a difference, I'm telling you

960
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 2: it makes a difference.

961
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: Really, what's diet coke? Do I have? The odd diet coke?

962
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: Come on, again, I don't know. I don't know the physiology.

963
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't really care. What I can tell you is

964
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: if I've got a person on a on a diet

965
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: and a training regimen and we're going for just ultimate

966
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: fat loss with muscle retention and it's just stalled out

967
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: and they're doing that, you just pull that out and

968
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: the fat just goes for weeks on the same diet,

969
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: the same train, diet.

970
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: Coke. Really, yeah, that's that is It's so interesting.

971
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: It was fascinating because you know, I was one of

972
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: the ones back in the day. I'm just sort of like, yeah,

973
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: if you want to have that, that's fine, there's nothing

974
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: in it. And then it's like, man, nothing's really working.

975
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 2: Let's just pull that out and see if it makes

976
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: a difference. Because these things always do and butter bang consistently.

977
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: It's not like a some people can get away with it.

978
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: And this is sorry, I know you said one minute,

979
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: but a really interesting thing you'd find was going to

980
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: Dubai and it actually threw me off my game in

981
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: a big way. When I went to a gym, Binos gym,

982
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: very world famous bodybuilding gym in Dubai, and the physiques

983
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: in there are. I've been around probe as you. I've

984
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: been around pro bodybuilders. I've had Big Rammy train in

985
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: my gym. I've had the biggest and the leanest guys there.

986
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: And these guys are freaks. These are the biggest, leanest,

987
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: scariest like everyone in there. It's like I was the fattest,

988
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: weakest and smallest of the women in Benos gym. Like

989
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: they are just next level everywhere. And the training is

990
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: absolutely fucking abysmal. We're talking lightweights with bad form, with

991
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: long rest between sets. No one puffs, no one sweats.

992
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: Occasionally you hear someone grunt or do something. It's just shit,

993
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: absolute shit, And so you go to you look around

994
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: and you're going, this doesn't gel like what's going on here?

995
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: And you go, what it's got to be the drugs.

996
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: It's not the drugs. It's the same drugs as everyone's

997
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: using everywhere else. And there's you know, all the eighty

998
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 2: kilo guys are using the probably more drugs than half

999
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: of these guys, and these massive ripped guys. And then

1000
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: one day I see I start noticing every now and

1001
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: again a guy would come in with a great physique

1002
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: and a bunch of his friends. It'd be like, you know,

1003
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: natural national champion level kind of physique, nice round muscles

1004
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: and everything, but nothing too crazy or anything else like that.

1005
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: Never trained before. They're teaching him for the first time.

1006
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: And these are all Arabs, Egyptians, Africans, all of them.

1007
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 2: And the genetics on these guys is like nothing I've

1008
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: seen anywhere in the world, just absolutely freaking unbelievable. And

1009
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: you watch these guys pre drugs with physiques better than

1010
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 2: most of our top natural bodybuilders, and then they lift

1011
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: a few half fast lightweights, fucking around with bad form.

1012
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: No squats, no deadlifts, no bench press, is just machine

1013
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: everything with crap weight, long rest, no puffing, nothing, no effort,

1014
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: and you watch them transform, they grow muscle light they're

1015
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: on drugs, and then they put the drugs in and

1016
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: you just see them turn into probody and I'm just like,

1017
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: what the what the fuck is going on? This just

1018
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: throws out every belief I've ever had about drugs, training, diet, like,

1019
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: because they don't eat proptly either, They just eat whatever

1020
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: the hell they want. And then and then a few

1021
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 2: times I've seen one of these ginormous guys just lie

1022
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 2: down on the bench press with somebody else in there

1023
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: who's actually doing some serious bench presses, and they'll just

1024
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: casually bench press are wobbly five plates for a few reps,

1025
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: having never lifted a having never lifted a heavyweight in

1026
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: their entire life, they're doing Australian record bench presses with

1027
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: the worst, most ugly shouldered, destroying technique you've ever seen

1028
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: in your life, because they've never learnt to bench press it.

1029
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: And that's when the penny drops and you're like, it's

1030
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: still the same shit. These guys have these genetics that

1031
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: allow them to become world champion level strength athletes without

1032
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: putting any effort into actual strength training or actually learning

1033
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: out of strength train. They just fuck around with some

1034
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: weights and the body just grows muscle because for whatever reason,

1035
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: that that's how their DNA has said to you know,

1036
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: respond to very low levels of stress, and they the massive,

1037
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: massive guys are still every little bit as strong as

1038
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: you would expect. But these guys don't lift heavy, and

1039
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: when they try to, because they don't care and they

1040
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: don't really understand and they never lifted it, they hurt themselves.

1041
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: So then they tell everyone, well, I don't lift heavy

1042
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: because it's really risky and you get hurt and injured,

1043
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, no, you just suck at it

1044
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: because you never actually learned how to do it, and

1045
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: you don't care because it's not hard and it's really interesting.

1046
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: And the reason I get into this is because this

1047
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: has permeated all of the training beliefs of everyone around

1048
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: the world that you don't need to put high effort

1049
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: into your training. You can lift light weights and just

1050
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: squeeze your muscles and you'll grow muscle the same. They

1051
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: look at what these unusual genetic anomalies do and they go,

1052
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: if I do what they do, I'll get the same results.

1053
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: You didn't even walk into the gym looking like them,

1054
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: you won't.

1055
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: It's it's like one of the things I see a

1056
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: lot in I try a little In fact, I trying

1057
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: a gym called Snap, which is one of my old

1058
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: gyms would which is now a Snap franchise, And you know,

1059
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: a good little gym, and it's got everything I need

1060
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's probably got a million bucks

1061
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: worth of equipment. It's not the bloody best gym in

1062
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: the world, but it's good for me. But more than ever,

1063
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm seeing young, like more than I've ever seen in

1064
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: my life. In gym's young dudes coming in like at

1065
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: at four o'clock, five o'clock. Seventy percent of the clients

1066
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: are boys age between fifteen and twenty, like seventy percent

1067
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: of the people in the gym. And some of them good,

1068
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Speaker 1: some of them are you know, young studs. But the

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00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: other thing that's happening is because they're watching so much

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Speaker 1: shit online and they're watching fuckwits who do a set

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Speaker 1: of dumbbell presses incline and then drop the weights from

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00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: a great height. Right, But these guys are doing you know,

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00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: incline presses with hud kilos each dumbbell or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: then you get the young guys in the gym who

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00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: are emulating their heroes and just throwing weights from four

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Speaker 1: foot high. And then when I would go up and go, hey, champ,

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Speaker 1: don't do that, they look at me like I'm the

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Speaker 1: fucking enemy, the.

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Speaker 2: Old rouch in the gym.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what are you doing? And they're like what,

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Speaker 1: I go, what are you doing? It's just it's not

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Speaker 1: okay to just throw you weights from three feet I

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00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: and nobody tells them it's and they just wants the

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00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: shit on. Yeah, they mate, you're not a fucking pro bodybuilder.

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Speaker 1: And and you know this, this floor is not the

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00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: floor that they're throwing their way. It's different. And those

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00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: weights they're not built for that, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you look at Metroflex gym in Texas where

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: Ronnie used to train, and it's like, you're going to

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00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: make this gym look like Metroflex, like like an absolute

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Speaker 2: ship hole where everything's you know, beaten up.

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Speaker 1: Oh that joint, I've seen that joint. That's that's absolute chaos.

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Speaker 1: All right. I just want to okay a couple more

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00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: than we're going to wind up. And of course different

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00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: people need different things. But putting aside drugs and putting

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: aside peptides, what are the in general terms, what are

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Speaker 1: the supplements that you think are okay these days? And

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Speaker 1: I know it's a kind of a dumb question because

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: different people need different things, but what are the supplements

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Speaker 1: that are on your maybe list?

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: Protein powder is the only one, really, protein powder, Vitamin C,

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: vitamin D, you know, for people who are not getting

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01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: out in the sun or using sunscreen. But that's about it.

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01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: I've never been a huge supplement guy. Creatine creatine can

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: be beneficial on a high carbohydrate diet, not the way

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01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 2: most people think. I find that it prevents people getting fat,

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: so fat on a high carbohydrate diet. But that's about it.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely loathe pre workouts with all of the you know,

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: basically amphetamine and a raspberry tever. Yeah, just absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 1: Well, people don't understand either, by the way, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this story, you probably do,

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Speaker 1: But do you know that my training partner died at

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Speaker 1: the gym? They?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you mentioned it? Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Mark Mark Lampard, who was a pro bodybuilder.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable for z yeah, beautiful physica.

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01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so he died for seventeen minutes, right,

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: So Friday afternoon five years ago. I think it was

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth of October, So the anniversary has just passed.

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Speaker 1: His fine, now, everybody only he was but literally five

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Speaker 1: minutes past five on a Friday afternoon, he went off

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01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: line dead cardiac arrest and was gone, fucking gone for

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Speaker 1: until twenty two minutes past five.

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Speaker 2: And really shit, and it's minutes I come back from

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Speaker 2: seventeen minutes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very few people come back, and also very few

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: people come back without significant brain brain issues, brain damage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, he was gone. He was literally dead for

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Speaker 1: seventeen minutes. But this is just my theory everyone, And

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say which brand, but my theory

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01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: is because he had nothing wrong with his heart, nothing

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: wrong with all that. Let for one of a more

1133
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: technical term, plumbing of his heart, all these arteries and veins,

1134
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: and they ordered everything fine, right, no degeneration, no arteriosclerosis,

1135
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Speaker 1: no atherosclerosis, no reason in inverted commas to have a heart. Well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a heart attack. He had a cardiac arrest.

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: Now the day that he had that, he was out

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Speaker 1: all day working in the heat. I think he was dehydrated.

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Speaker 1: He was down at Lawn. He drove two and a

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Speaker 1: half hours back from Lorn to the gym. He came

1141
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: straight from LRN to Lawn as a place to everyone,

1142
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: not the grass out in the front of your house,

1143
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: but l O r N. It's a coastal town. He

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Speaker 1: was down there, drove back, dehydrated. He drove he drank

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Speaker 1: something like two or three I won't say which brand,

1146
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: but caffeine drinks, probably the equivalent of eighteen or twelve

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: coffee yeh, fucking whatever. And then he came to the

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Speaker 1: gym and had some pre workout.

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Speaker 2: Now, oh Jesus, yeah right.

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: So he's probably got the equivalent of twelve fifteen coffees

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: on board. He's dehydrated, So if you're dehydrated, you've got

1152
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: less blood volume. Your blood is thicker, so if viscosity increases,

1153
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: all this shit happens. And then he did twenty chins

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Speaker 1: literally two zero chins and held his breath for every rep,

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01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: and then he died or no fucking shock that he died, right,

1156
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: still he died, but yeah, yeah, he died. They died.

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Speaker 1: I have an absolute fucking passionate dislike for pre workout

1158
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: because apart from the fact that there's just a central

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01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: nervous system stimulant that puts an incredibly unnecessary load on

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Speaker 1: your cardiovascular system, and kids are drinking it like it's water, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, not only that, then they're then they're just

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01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: cranking out cortisole and adrenaline and not in a good way,

1163
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: and they're they're predisposing themselves to issues down the track,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so bad.

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Speaker 2: I just find it completely the opposite of to train effectively.

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01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: You need to be focused. That's not focus, it's just

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01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: pure panic. You just become you know, it's just manic panic.

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Speaker 2: And if you're you know, if you're doing the last

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Speaker 2: rep of any kind of pressing movement, it takes a

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Speaker 2: period of time and it's like you're pushing with everything

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: you've got, Like on the last rep of a squad,

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Speaker 2: which we call an eight minute rep because you know,

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Speaker 2: you die of brain death from lack of oxygen doing

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01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: that last rep. That's just so slow. When you're totally

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01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: off your head on these stimulants, that three seconds of

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01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: actual time that a very very hard rep might take

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: to grind all the way to the top feels like

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01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. You quit within a micro second of putting

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: the effort in and just go, oh, I missed and

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01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: I was trying, you know, it felt like you were

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: trying for thirty second. You weren't trying for a third

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: of a second. Because the brain's all scattery. And I've

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: seen that many people they just miss their performances because

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01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: they're so buzzy and wide and it's the wrong state

1185
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: of mind to be in for a properly intense workout.

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: If you want to go for a run, probably a

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01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: you know, great thing. Yeah, you're you're energized, and you

1188
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: just even then, probably you run too fast at the

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01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: start and you tie yourself out too soon. It's it

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Speaker 2: doesn't contribute to performance like I think people believe that

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01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: it does.

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: I agree, mate. If people want to find you or

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01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: follow you, or connect with you or learn about your app,

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01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: how do they get involved?

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: If you search? Damon, hey, how you'll you'll find me everywhere?

1196
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: Not that active on the socials lately. Struggling with that

1197
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: a bit. But yeah, your.

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Speaker 1: Last post, your last post on Instagram was twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: To say that you're not that active lately is like

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: fucking saying I never.

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Speaker 2: Instagram never never grabbed me, just like you know, Snapchat

1202
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: or anything else. It's just I don't know, it just

1203
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: never worked for me.

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01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: So you're doing all right.

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01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm getting by anyway, So.

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Speaker 1: Mate, I appreciate you. Will chat off here in a moment,

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: but for the time being, thank you for this, Thanks

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: for hanging out on the you project. Appreciate you. I'm

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: glad you're doing great, so fucking fascinating to hear about

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Speaker 1: your story, and good luck with everything moving forward man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mate, appreciate it.