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Speaker 1: A good a team. You're bloody champions. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: installment of the You Projector's harps Craig Anthey harp alive

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Speaker 1: from the thriving metropolis, Well not live, live as I speak,

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Speaker 1: but recorded as you hear, I guess, from the thriving

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Speaker 1: metropolis of Melbourne. Now today's guest I had on a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. I don't even know. I should have

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Speaker 1: But it was fucking two hundred years ago when we

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Speaker 1: were just baby stepping the whole podcast experience, and now

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Speaker 1: Damon Hayhowe, Hi buddy, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Eh mate? Great to hear your Ossie accent. I was

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Speaker 2: listening to the show last night and the first thing

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Speaker 1: So yeah, good to hear you man. Which one we're

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Speaker 1: listening to? Can you remember was it a solo one

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Speaker 2: It was the solo one and you said some pretty

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Speaker 2: profound stuff that I found quite interesting, so it was good.

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Speaker 2: It was the most recent one, sixteen eighty nine. I

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Speaker 1: Oh good, I'm glad you listen. Thank you. Hey. So

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Speaker 1: for my listeners who don't know who you are, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see wherever the fuck we go. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a guy who lifted some heavy weights and

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Speaker 2: And then I started an organization to credit people who

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Speaker 2: then I built a piece of software that helps direct

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Speaker 2: people lifting heavyweights and taking off the clothes and flexing

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Speaker 2: their muscles, which allowed me to bail on Melbourne during

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Speaker 2: world that I chose to. So that's my life story.

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Speaker 1: And have you been in the same place the whole

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Speaker 2: I'm in my apartment in Tabilisi, Georgia, just south of Russia,

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Speaker 2: where they've just had the elections, and I've been watching

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Speaker 1: What why to Bleisi? Like what where? How do you

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Speaker 1: in America, Georgia, the country near Georgia, the small little country. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You go there for everything. The people are polite, attractive,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, fucking you should work for them. You're like

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Speaker 1: the best pr This is terrible. But what is the

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Speaker 1: And how big is it, let's say, compared to I

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Speaker 1: That is so fucking interesting. See when you said ten

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Speaker 2: When I mean when I first for me the COVID thing,

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Speaker 1: Have you like, it's it's very rare that somebody is

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Speaker 1: but the chance of me doing it next to fucking zero.

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Speaker 2: I think, Well, I'm a Kiwi and so it's I

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So what do you do over there? Mate?

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Speaker 1: How do you make No? Do you need to make dough?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Like, by the way, Damon and I

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Speaker 1: what he did. He could be a fucking trillionaire. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. But are you still Are you still working?

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Speaker 2: So the software that I was doing when I was

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Speaker 2: when we were chatting earlier years ago, that's still going.

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Speaker 2: So that's been thirteen odd years now. So that's my

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Speaker 2: But that said, one of the other benefits of TBLISI

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Speaker 2: can get technically temporary residence, but you get residency in

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Speaker 2: You know. The deposit on a on a on a

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Speaker 1: It's I'll do even I mean, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is, but it's it's. The median house price in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne is it's around a million dollars. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is now, Yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: It's it's and what you say, it's what and what

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Speaker 2: Live in it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some friends of mine who are not rich, they're just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so have you made this is a dumb question,

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Speaker 2: Have you got a social network? Like I say, you

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Speaker 1: So that is it's a wonder you don't have some

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Speaker 2: That was the first friend that I made, and he

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Speaker 1: I'm really interested in your lifestyle, so I love this

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Speaker 2: So I don't remember me.

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing about you. You were like this fucking

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Speaker 1: Who are they?

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Speaker 2: You know? And it's always that case of if you're

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Speaker 1: And I think also when when you're getting your information

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Speaker 1: right to make money and sell courses, but don't pretend

435
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: that this is some kind of sanctioned or authorized government

436
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: entity or something.

437
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: But even even then, you know, my my contrary and

438
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 2: view of things a little bit. It's that case of

439
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: who the fuck are you to sanction anything? Like you know,

440
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: you I've I've never met a bureaucrat or an academic

441
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: who was particularly competent in anything that they actually did.

442
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: They spoke a lot of shit, and they said that,

443
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, we make the rules for the other people

444
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: who do it, but the people who do it normally

445
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: hate them and are doing everything they can to work

446
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: around the bureaucratic crap. And you know, I think I

447
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: told you the story when we spoke last of how

448
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: I tried to create a course and I went and

449
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: did my certificate for and it was years ago, so

450
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called now, but.

451
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: The workplace training thing, like that's.

452
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: The one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for the vocational training.

453
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: And then a client of mine put me in contact

454
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: with the lady who at the time was apparently the

455
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: head of the vocational education department, and I said to her,

456
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: it's like, I want to create this course for basically

457
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: elite level pts. Who focus on bodybuilding style training, and

458
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't want them to just get the piece of

459
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: paper based on the fact that they sat in a

460
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: classroom and listened to some stuff and regurgitated into a

461
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: you know, on an exam sheet and long and short

462
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: of it. She said, well, you can't do that. And

463
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: the example that she gave was she said, for example,

464
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: you couldn't deny a double am QT a certificate in

465
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: CPR even though it's physically impossible for a person with

466
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: no arms to do CPR. This was the example given

467
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: by the head of the department, right, And I'm like,

468
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: what good is a qualification in CPR if you have

469
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: no arms and you can't perform CPR. And she's like, well,

470
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: you can be competent in it, but not actually able

471
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: to do it. So it would be discrimination not to

472
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: give him a certificate a qualification in CPR just because

473
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: he can't do CPR. It's like, right, and she said,

474
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: because if there was somebody else around with two arms,

475
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: you know, they could explain how to do it. And

476
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: it's like someone's going to be dead on the basis

477
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: of this qualified person with no arms being there. Like,

478
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: so you give a job to a person who's qualified

479
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: in CPR but it has no arms and can't actually

480
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: perform CPR. They can be an ambulance officer, now can they?

481
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: And that would be discrimination? So what is what are

482
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: these qualififications worth anymore?

483
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: So?

484
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: I was looking at certificate three and nutrition and Certificate

485
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: three and nutrition doesn't actually teach you anything about protein,

486
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: carbs or fat.

487
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Right, what does it teach you?

488
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: It teaches you about the dietary but the sensitivities of

489
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: cultural needs and dietary things and how workplace health and

490
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: safety around the kitchen and just anything other than actual nutrition.

491
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: But you qualified and nutrition now and it's just I

492
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: can't work with them. This, this is just crap.

493
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: So what is the what's the state of affairs in

494
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: terms of gyms in Tibilisi or in Georgia? Like, is

495
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: there a fit this industry per se? Is there are

496
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: there trainers?

497
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's personal trainers here and they're doing the same

498
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: useless ship that all the personal trainers in Australia do.

499
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: And it's it's quite funny. Actually, there's there's not a

500
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: huge amount of English spoken in Georgia or some of

501
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: the other countries that I've been either and every single

502
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: gym I've been to, all of the platitudes up on

503
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: the on the wall, all written in English. Oh really,

504
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, go hard or go home, and all of

505
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: these sorts of things, And it's just it's just interesting.

506
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: It's like none of the people here actually understand this,

507
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: that it speaks volumes to how worthless the platitudes are

508
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: always thought that. It's like we even write these same

509
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: things on the wall and countries that don't even speak

510
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: the language.

511
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: It is interesting, isn't it. I've always thought about and

512
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you know, I was in on the

513
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: ground floor, as you well know, with personal training, but

514
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I've always thought, sure were it's it's personal training is

515
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: so like the actual job, like to do it well,

516
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: to do it well, Like people don't understand to actually

517
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: to actually do that role where you train people or

518
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: work with people, consult, coach whatever, teach, educate in by

519
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: all that shit where it is such a big job

520
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: where you need so much knowledge, right because apart from

521
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: the you know anatomy and physiology and biomechanics and nutrition

522
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: and energy systems, and you also need to understand the

523
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: person in the body as well as the body. You know,

524
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: and it's it's the I can't say who because I

525
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: don't want to get anyone in trouble, but someone that

526
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I know very well. Their kids are doing the course

527
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: at the moment, and let's just say that some of

528
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the shit that they're learning is so fucking so far

529
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: from the market what you well, and it's just irrelevant crap.

530
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: But the stuff, the stuff that they I believe that

531
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: really really matters and they're not being taught. But also

532
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: part of the problem, damon, is that you know, and

533
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm generalizing this is not everybody, but you've got people

534
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: in front of these students. It's teaching these students who

535
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: don't work in the fucking industry and never have you know,

536
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: and couldn't teach you how to do a squad a

537
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: deadlift or you know what I'm saying. It's like.

538
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: But this comes back to our discussion previously, and one

539
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: of my biggest grievance is about the whole that industry,

540
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: and it applies across most industries unfortunately. But it's the

541
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: product that you think of as personal training, that you

542
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: created with Harper's Fitness all the way back in the day,

543
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 2: is not the product that the fitness industry is about

544
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: The fitness industry is part of the health industry. They've

545
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: changed that recently, but it's always been part of a

546
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: health industry and it's a case of going The majority

547
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: of Australians are going to die of a horrible disease

548
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: because they're completely and utterly sedentary, and all we need

549
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: to do is get them off. They're ass for half

550
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: an hour three times per week. And so the course

551
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: that you'll learn it it doesn't matter whether you squat

552
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: effectively or well. If you go and you do bad

553
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: squats every single day, that's health and fitness. That's great.

554
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: You're doing rat shit squats, awesome. You're doing ratshit squats

555
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: with a polystyrene barbell. That's fantastic. You'll never go anywhere,

556
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: you'll get bored and you'll quit. That's another problem. But

557
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: we've got you active. We've solved the only problem that

558
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 2: there is.

559
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: So given the.

560
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: Fact that they've got to give as I said, you

561
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: can give double amputees qualifications and CPR even though they

562
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: can't do it, you get complete nafties going into the course.

563
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to fail anybody anymore because that would

564
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: be discrimination. You're not giving them every chance to succeed.

565
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: So that's literally the wording that they use. It's discrimination

566
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: if you fail somebody, So you've got a water down

567
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: the course to be the simplest, basic, most useless shit

568
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: that it can possibly be, where that person can't harm

569
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: a completely incompetent per So an incompetent person can't harm

570
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: another incompetent person when teaching them to waste their time

571
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: doing half an hour of any random crap that there is.

572
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: So what do they teach them? They teach them basic

573
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: rehabilitation techniques and boring useless shit that you and I

574
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: know won't won't shed a pound or develop an athlete

575
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. But developing an athlete

576
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: is not the point. And then the whole and then

577
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: the bit that makes me mad is that the industry

578
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: then goes around pretending that what it's about is creating

579
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: athletes and athleticism and the ability to do good squats

580
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: and enjoy these high energy workouts, and it's like, that's

581
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: not your industry. You're not selling that, You're not allowed

582
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: to do that, even except they know that the product

583
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: everyone wants to buy is that everyone wants to be

584
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: this high energy, you know, ripped abs, muscular, all the

585
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: rest of it. That's what people are buying. They're not

586
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: allowed to sell it, and so it's just dishonest to

587
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: its core, from top to bottom the course, to the advertising,

588
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: to the product being sold by the gyms, to what's

589
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: actually covered by the insurance. Everything about it's just a

590
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: bunch of lies, and we know how it works in

591
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: the gyms. Eighty five percent non attendance is the goal

592
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: because the gym couldn't possibly operate if all of the

593
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: members actually turned up and use the facilities. So everything

594
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: about it is just this grotesque ripof.

595
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: I've said, I've spoken about that number before. I don't

596
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: know where that came from, but I remember hearing that.

597
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: The term I was I heard was active gym membership

598
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: and it was fifteen percent, which meant that of the

599
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: current members in most gyms in Australia, about fifteen percent

600
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: actually went actually to the facility.

601
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because in any kind of depreciation on the Yeah,

602
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: the other wouldn't pass if they all turned up and

603
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: you couldn't get on all of the equipment, and they

604
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to run the facility if everyone turned up.

605
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: So they want eighty five percent non attendance. It's pay

606
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: your membership, stay doll away. Yeah. Yeah, well, the facilitated

607
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: if you think about it, it was like, I don't

608
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 2: know if it was deliberate, but it's certainly facilitated by

609
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: things like treadmills and bikes and all of those sorts

610
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: of things. Like who the hell you and I have

611
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: been training? I mean I've been thirty three years. You'd

612
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: be around the same or longer, you know, would you

613
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: be walking on a treadmill three times a week an

614
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: hour for thirty three Hell no, who's going.

615
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: To do that?

616
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: You wouldn't do it for thirty three days?

617
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: And dude, I started when I was I was fourteen,

618
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: which is fucking forty seven years ago. I'm sixty one.

619
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. But yeah, it's it's it is amazing. Let's

620
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: get on something more positive. Yeah, no, no, it's all good.

621
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: I love it because you know, it's it's true. And

622
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: I try to get people to understand. You know, they

623
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: are good and bad gyms, good and bad trainers, just

624
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: like there are good and bad brick layers. They're a

625
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: good and bad bloody neurosurgeons. Right, it's not absolutely. Yeah,

626
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, there are great people and not so great people.

627
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: But explain to people what your business is now, Like,

628
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: what is it that you do now?

629
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: Now is just the software. So before I used to

630
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: have the gym, there used to be the anti aging

631
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: medical business, and then also the registration business for personal

632
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: trainers to be insured for actually being able to train

633
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: people with heavyweights. And now is just the software. And

634
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: the software is Recomposer, and it's it's an app for

635
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: coaches to prescribe diet and training to their clients in

636
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: order to alter their physique. So yeah, as of the

637
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: last few years, that's been a bit of an uphill battle,

638
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: which I won't get into because it's boring, but it's

639
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: just been you know, we needed to rebuild it, and

640
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: the rebuild didn't go so good, so then we had

641
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: to rebuild it again and so a lot of money

642
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: went flushed down the toilet and finally we've got everything

643
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: back to where it started, except working much faster and better.

644
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you were you were really in early,

645
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: an early adopter in terms of you know, getting in

646
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: with with an app those years ago. Yeah, Now there's

647
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: a fucking there's a mine field of apps, isn't there?

648
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: There really is? Yeah, the difference is so.

649
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: I actually I.

650
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: Taught myself. My dad bought me a little computer, a

651
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: little Dick Smith computer for my ninth birthday, and I

652
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: just wanted to play games like any kid did, and

653
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: my parents didn't want to spend the money on these

654
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: games for me to be sitting there like an idiot

655
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: playing games. So I taught myself algebra and programmed my

656
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: own games. And because that's what you do, it's just

657
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: you solve the problem. So I was programming from nine,

658
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: just in basic. But then by the time I was twelve,

659
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: I'd started to dabble an assembly language, which is the

660
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: very low level code that runs on devices and things now.

661
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: But I was a nerd into computers for a very

662
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: very long time, and then I got into weight training

663
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: and I came back around to it and work for

664
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: some web development companies for a while doing systems architecture

665
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: and such, and basically I had a staff member leave

666
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: my business and take all of the company IP with them,

667
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: so we had everything in spreadsheets and all the rest

668
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: of it. And I was like, well, this is a

669
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: very bad way of running a business. If there's going

670
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: to be any sort of sustainability to it. So I

671
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: designed this app as a tool for my company to write,

672
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: create our programs and diets for the clients. Prescribe all

673
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: of the weights, prescribe all the nutrition, measure their body composition,

674
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: do all of the calculations for body fat from the

675
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: skin folds, et cetera, et cetera. And it was designed

676
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: to answer a business problem. I didn't go, I want

677
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: to make money from an app and leave the country

678
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: and live around the world. It was my business has

679
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: a serious risk, and we've already got the systems in place,

680
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: but we need to develop them on an online platform.

681
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: So we did that and then I licensed it out

682
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: to other people and it turned into a business where

683
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: the way things are now is that you've just got

684
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: all of these people out there going you need an app.

685
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 2: It's like, what does the app do? It doesn't matter.

686
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: You need an map, and everyone's got a nap and

687
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: most of them are completely useless, and most of the

688
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: apps out there when it comes to training and diet

689
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: are I describe them as being like a shopping list

690
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: app where you write down what you bought at the

691
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: supermarket after you went to the supermarket, completely fucking useless.

692
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: You just why would you want to diorize what you ate?

693
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: It's just sort of like, wow, now I've got a

694
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: full list of everything that I ate to turn into

695
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: a fat bustard. Awesome, what do you do about it?

696
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: That's not the way that it works.

697
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: It needs to be prescriptive.

698
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: It needs to be a scientific experiment. You need to

699
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: go I think if I eat this and I do this,

700
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: that this will be the outcome. So I practice what

701
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: I've written down, and then I measure and test whether

702
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: or not my hypothesis was correct. And that's how recomposer works.

703
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: It's we set a goal for a body composition. We

704
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: write a diet which prescribes every gram of every food

705
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 2: to eat every meal, every day, and then the training

706
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: program which prescribes every weight to lift it every workout,

707
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: on every set of every exercise. And at the end

708
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: of the week, you measure your body composition again and

709
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: go did it work? And if it didn't, you go, well,

710
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: how was the result different to what I expected? And therefore,

711
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: what do I logically do to get a different result.

712
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: He goes, this is very very logical, but my god,

713
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe how furious it makes people when you

714
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: suggest doing things this way, like that's on scientific, that's

715
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: not science and evidence based, and you don't need to

716
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: do it like that. And it's like, well, yeah, actually

717
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: you do. You need to measure and plan in order

718
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: to measure whether or not your plan worked.

719
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you don't. You could just do stuff

720
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: and eat stuff and it's fine. It's like, yeah, well,

721
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: I think I think we're really I mean, I talk

722
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot about with my groups and my audiences and

723
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: running a mentoring group at the moment, which is a

724
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 1: ten week group. And we spoke last night about last

725
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: night is tonight Tuesday? Yeah? Last night Monday. You know,

726
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the idea of your life being an ongoing experiment, and

727
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: my life has been in some ways, My life has

728
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: been an an equals one experiment since I was a

729
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: fat fourteen year old, right, And here we are forty

730
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: seven years later, and I'm still adapting and adjusting my

731
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: protocol because my physiology changes, my needs, change the way

732
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: that my body will respond to different stimuli, change what

733
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: worked for me.

734
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: When I am changes the Yeah, what's in the food

735
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: that you ate this week is not what was in

736
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: the food that you eight ten years ago.

737
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: Fucking oath. And you know, so you go, you know,

738
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: like what used to work for me with three or

739
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: four meals a day, what works for me now is

740
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: too And when I say that, that's not a recommendation

741
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: for anyone else. That's not I'm not saying you should.

742
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying here's what happens. When I ate three, I

743
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: gain that, I go. It depends. I'm sure I could

744
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: create a model at work, but for right now, I

745
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: eat it about why bother? It's I can get this,

746
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: So I do this, yeah, at seven am and seven

747
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: pm aroundabouts, and it works. I'm eighty four kilos, I'm

748
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: pretty lean, I'm probably under twelve percent. I'm quite strong.

749
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: I've got enough muscle for an old fucker, and and

750
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: things are okay, you know. And it's that that kind

751
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: of tendency for people to trust and believe people who

752
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: don't even know them, you know, when they go you

753
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: should do this, this and this, yeahs based on fucking nothing.

754
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: I've had over the years where it's like someone goes

755
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: to them just goes, oh my god, you look fabulous.

756
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: What have you been doing?

757
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: Your skin looks good, your eyes are your hair is shiny,

758
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: and you've lost so much fat and you just look

759
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: like a bundle of energy and so healthy and you're

760
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: getting leaner. And da da da da da.

761
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

762
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, well, we met this guy and we

763
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: eat this food and we do this Tralia.

764
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: You can't do that.

765
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: That's completely wrong, that's not sustainable, that's not what works.

766
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: And it's like you start, you literally started the conversation

767
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: having noticed the.

768
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: Evidence of it, And yeah, well, I think also, you know, obviously,

769
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: when you talk about food, when you talk about exercise,

770
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: when you talk about supplements, when you talk about health,

771
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: when you talk about lifestyle, habits, behaviors and protocols, there

772
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: is a huge percentage of the population that is emotional

773
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: about all of that or.

774
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Some of that hugely now, and you think, damon, how

775
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: many people have like, for example, I won't even say which,

776
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: but they have their identity is intertwined with their training protocol,

777
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: or their identity is interchangeable with their eating paradigm. I

778
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: am a fill in the blank, right, And so when

779
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: the way that you eat, or the way that you train,

780
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: or even your fucking job for that matter, or your

781
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: beliefs when your beliefs basically shape your identity. Well, now

782
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: you have made yourself essentially unteachable unless I am reinforcing

783
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: your current thinking, which is confirmation bias, which is your

784
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: own personal echo chamber. Right, So this is this is

785
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: one of the dangers, and this is one of the

786
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: practical realities and real world realities of you know, like,

787
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: I've been working with bums and legs and bodies and

788
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: micros and macros and minds and all that shit forever

789
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: and I'm still learning. I'm still learning doing my PhD.

790
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm nearly done. I'm an exercise scientist. I've got a

791
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: whole lot of shit and I probably know five per cents. Yeah,

792
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: I know, not five percent of what there is to know.

793
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: And I'm constantly getting shit wrong and some shit right,

794
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: you know. But it's such a it's such an emotional triggering.

795
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: You know, shit I first, yeah, you know, because I've

796
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: I've never drank in my life, so sign sign never

797
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: been oh good man. And well then you'd understand and

798
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: you'd know this as well. How you'd go to a

799
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: party or a bar with work colleagues or something like that,

800
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: and how violently upset people get with you for not drinking,

801
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: and it's it's like, my, my consumption of alcohol doesn't

802
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: affect your enjoyment of alcohol whatsoever. I'm not judging you,

803
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: but they feel judged. And that was what I felt

804
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: it came down to, was that fact that nobody sees

805
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: drunken disorderly behavior as an attractive, you know, positive thing

806
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: to be doing with yourself. But so long as everybody

807
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: else is doing it, it's okay. And then as as

808
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: someone comes along who's just like I just don't want

809
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: to do that, they feel very insecure and judged because

810
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: they know they're partaking in something that to them, they

811
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: know is not the way that they ideally should be

812
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: behaving sort of thing. And that seems I've seen that

813
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: mirroad over the years with the people who have that

814
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: same problem with eating, and it's really it's been really

815
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: interesting with the way that I do the food thing,

816
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: where it's like a person comes to me, pays for

817
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: a diet, and I say, the deal is this, I

818
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to work for you. I don't

819
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: know what food allergies you have or anything else like that.

820
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: I've got a damn good idea and I know how

821
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: to fuel you for your weight training. But here's what

822
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: we need to do. I want to give you this

823
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: many calories at this percentage protein, carbs, and fats. You

824
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: choose the food. We're going to build the diet together.

825
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: You're going to tell me what you want to eat

826
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: based on the options that I go are available to you.

827
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: I only want you to eat it the seven days.

828
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: You choose the food. You make it fit your preferences,

829
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: your lifestyle, everything else like that.

830
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: I just want my numbers.

831
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: You do it for seven days, I measure you and

832
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: we see if it works. Can you do that? You're

833
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: just giving me three hundred dollars.

834
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: You choose the food. Can you eat the food?

835
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: And some very few people will go no, that's just ridiculous.

836
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: But most people will just go, well, yeah, I'm going

837
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: to give you three hundred dollars, and that makes total

838
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: sense to me. I eat the food so you can

839
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: measure what it does. A week later, they've already got

840
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: visible feelable transformation and they're going, Wow, this is incredible,

841
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: and you go, cool, let's make an adjustment. Okay, you're

842
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: bored of that, will swap that out for this. That's

843
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: the numbers. Seven days. I'll see you in seven days,

844
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: will measure it again. It's amazing how little motivation is

845
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: required in a person to do the thing when the

846
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: thing just makes sense. And it's not you take away

847
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: that judgment element from it.

848
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: It's just you choose the food.

849
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: Let's eat it for a week, measure what it does.

850
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: That answers the question it doesn't work, we need to

851
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: change it. It does work, Happy days, keep going.

852
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you said. I mean

853
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: essentially what you said. Correct me if I get it wrong.

854
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: But I say this all the time as well as

855
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: what we're doing is we're taking a highly educated guess,

856
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: but we don't know exactly how your individual physiology will respond.

857
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, because you and I could see ten guys

858
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: or ten girls or whatever a mix and who might

859
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: look and seem similar, and so we give them a

860
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: similar protocol and we get different outcomes. And so that

861
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: is why you know that an equals one. Well, let's

862
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a fair bit of knowledge, we've

863
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: got a fair bit of research, we've got a fair

864
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: bit of evidence under our belt. Let's I think this

865
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: is a really good starting point. But let's do this

866
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: and see what your body tells us, because it's always

867
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: going to tell us.

868
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Something exactly, and everything's relative too. So it's when you

869
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: realize that you're not trying to achieve the This is

870
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: not teleportation. We're not going to just eat the right

871
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: food and then pop out a bed tomorrow morning with

872
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: the hercules ripped physique that we've always wanted in our dreams.

873
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: It's a process. So it's just like, well, let's start here.

874
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: It's going to be a move in the right direction.

875
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: We can be pretty certain of that. And you know,

876
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: if you get if you get one day into it

877
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: and you're going to the toilet eight times, then it's like,

878
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: give me a call.

879
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: We'll fix the diet. Like, clearly it's.

880
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: Not working, but chances are they're the foods that you

881
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: like anyway and you want to fit in your day.

882
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: It's like, let's just structure them.

883
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: A little differently, take out, you know, but also focus

884
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: on the positive. It's also that we're eating to achieve something,

885
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: and you are doing it only to find out whether

886
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: it gets the result. So you know, I'll say to clients,

887
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: if you eat a pizza on Wednesday night, I'm not

888
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: saying it's going to make you fat.

889
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: It won't.

890
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: You might wake up the next morning looking better or

891
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: looking Who knows the problem with eating the pizza on

892
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: Wednesday night is that when I test you on Friday,

893
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't know whether the result was the diet or

894
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: the pizza. Maybe you need to eat pizza every day

895
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: or every Wednesday. I don't know, because you threw another

896
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: variable in there. So just don't eat the pizza on

897
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: this Wednesday so we can measure what the diet did.

898
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: And most people go, that makes sense. You're not integrating

899
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: me or telling me something that the evidence doesn't line up,

900
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: because everyone says to me, if I eat the pizza,

901
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: I get fat. But when I eat a pizza, I'm

902
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: not fat the next.

903
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Day, So yes, it is. It is funny that, you know,

904
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: when people kind of infer that, like you were saying,

905
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, with you not drinking booze and people being

906
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: defensive or whatever, or that whole kind of you make

907
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: me feel I find that a very interesting mindset. And

908
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: I say to people when they say you make me

909
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: feel like this, I go, so, I'm in charge of

910
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: your feelings now, And I'd say that, you know, I'm like, dude,

911
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm not in charge of that. That's just your individual response.

912
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: And if I'm that.

913
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: Was already there, I just triggered it.

914
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: By the way the way that I live, in the

915
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: way that I think, and my last dollar. My operating

916
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: is on no level a recommendation. I'm just telling you

917
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: what I fucking do. If you don't want to know,

918
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: that's cool, you know, But what I can tell you

919
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: is that it is in your interest to try to

920
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: figure out what works for you optimally. Hey, mate, we've

921
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: got maybe ten minutes. I want to ask you some

922
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of rapid fire questions because I think people will

923
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: be interested in. Now I'm going to ask you a

924
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: question and I want you to try and get an

925
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: answer out in about one minute. You're a fucking chatty kathy,

926
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: so that's.

927
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: Going to be harkened to do.

928
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: So let's see how we go. All right, one or

929
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: two minutes of advice For people who are absolute beginners.

930
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: They're listening to you and they're like, kind of makes sense.

931
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I know you could talk about

932
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: this for an hour, but I don't know where to start.

933
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Just give me a fucking something, damon, give me a

934
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: where to start so I can maybe open the open

935
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: the door tomorrow.

936
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: The body that you acknowledge that the body that you want,

937
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: because I assume we're talking about body composition here, that's

938
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: what they're training.

939
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: For, changing their body, whatever that means to them.

940
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: The body that you want is a superior physical specimenist,

941
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: a superior athlete to the body that you currently have.

942
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: That's the sole difference. It all comes down to the

943
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: athletic performance. It's not about going and doing random bunches

944
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: of shit as punishment or penance for having sinned or

945
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: anything else.

946
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: You've got to find something.

947
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: That actually interests you in terms of an athletic endeavor

948
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: and legitimately try to get really, really really good at it.

949
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: And if you can do that, everything else takes care

950
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: of itself.

951
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: Perfect all right, And I know this list is very long,

952
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: but the most common mistakes and I know this, but

953
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: across the board in general terms, the most common mistakes

954
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: that people make with diet. Now, I know this is

955
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: almost a stupid question, but go processed food. That's it.

956
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: It's nobody got fat eating organic chicken and rice in

957
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: any quantity. It can't be done right. The reason that

958
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: we have so many people so fat is because of

959
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 2: the source that they add to the chicken and the rice,

960
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: and the obsession with flavor and the obsession with convenience.

961
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether you're talking about protein bars or

962
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: pre workout formulas or anything else, whatever the hell they

963
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: stick into food these days. These things that God did

964
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: not put on this planet to be consumed by human beings,

965
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: Whatever is in it, that's what's causing all the problems.

966
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: Because wherever you go in the world, where where people

967
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: don't eat that shit, they don't have any of the

968
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: problems that we have. And that's the number one thing.

969
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: Just eat natural foods. And it's pretty difficult. I mean,

970
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean we're as a starting point, that's the primary thing.

971
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: It would be before I even get to protein, carbs

972
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: and fats. If you're eating shit, you're eating shit, and

973
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: who knows what it's going to do. Yeah, And I

974
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: measure that. I've been measuring this stuff in people for

975
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: decades and the difference that a little bit of shit

976
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: makes is profound. You know, if you think a diet

977
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: coke doesn't make a difference, I'm telling you it makes

978
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 2: a difference.

979
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: Really, what's diet coke? Do I have? The odd diet coke?

980
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Come on again.

981
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know the physiology. I don't

982
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 2: really care. What I can tell you is if I've

983
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: got a person on a on a diet and a

984
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: training regimen and we're going for just ultimate fat loss

985
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: with muscle retention and it's just stalled out and they're

986
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: doing that, you just pull that out and the fat

987
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: just goes for weeks on the same diet of the

988
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: same train diet.

989
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: Coke.

990
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, that's that is It's so interesting. It was

991
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: fascinating because you know, I was one of the ones

992
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: back in the day. I'm just sort of like, yeah,

993
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: if you want to have that, that's fine, there's nothing

994
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: in it. And then it's like, man, nothing's really working.

995
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 2: Let's just pull that out and see if it makes

996
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: a difference. Because these things always do and butter bang consistently.

997
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: It's not like a some people can get away with it.

998
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: And this is sorry. I know you said one minute.

999
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: But a really interesting thing you'd find was going to

1000
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: Dubai and it actually threw me off my game in

1001
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: a big way. When I went to a gym, Binos gym,

1002
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: very world famous bodybuilding gym in Dubai and the physiques

1003
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: in there are. I've been around probe as you. I've

1004
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: been around pro bodybuilders. I've had big Rammy train in

1005
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: my gym. I've had the biggest and the leanest guys there.

1006
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: And these guys are freaks. These are the biggest, leanest, scariest.

1007
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Like everyone in there.

1008
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: It's like I was the fattest, weakest and smallest of

1009
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: the women in Benos gym. Like they are just next

1010
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: level everywhere. And the training is absolutely fucking abysmal. We're

1011
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 2: talking lightweights with bad form, with long rest between sets.

1012
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: No one puffs, no one sweats. Occasionally you hear someone

1013
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: grunt or do something. It's just shit, absolute shit, And

1014
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: so you go to you look around and you're going,

1015
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: this doesn't gel like what's going on here? And you go,

1016
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: what it's got to be the drugs. It's not the drugs.

1017
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: It's the same drugs as everyone's using everywhere else. And

1018
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: there's you know, all the eighty kilo guys are using

1019
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: the probably more drugs than half of these guys, and

1020
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: these massive ripped guys. And then one day I see

1021
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: I start noticing every now and again a guy would

1022
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: come in with a great physique and a bunch of

1023
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: his friends. It'd be like, you know, natural national champion

1024
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: level kind of physique, nice round muscles and everything, but

1025
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 2: nothing too crazy or anything else like that. Never trained before.

1026
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: They're teaching him for the first time.

1027
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: And these are all.

1028
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: Arabs, Egyptians, Africans, all of them. And the genetics on

1029
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: these guys is like nothing I've seen anywhere in the world,

1030
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: just absolutely freaking unbelievable. And you watch these guys pre

1031
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: drugs with physiques better than most of our top natural bodybuilders.

1032
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: And then they lift a few half fast lightweights, fucking

1033
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: around with bad form. No squats, no deadlifts, no bench press,

1034
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: is just machine everything with crap weight, long rest, no puffing, nothing,

1035
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: no effort, and you watch them transform, they grow muscle

1036
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: light they're on drugs, and then they put the drugs

1037
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: in and you just see them turn into probody and

1038
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what the what the fuck is going on?

1039
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: This just throws out every belief I've ever had about drugs, training, diet, like,

1040
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: because they don't eat proptly either, They just eat whatever

1041
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: the hell they want. And then and then a few

1042
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 2: times I've seen one of these ginormous guys just lie

1043
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 2: down on the bench press with somebody else in there

1044
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: who's actually doing some serious bench presses, and they'll just

1045
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: casually bench press are wobbly five plates for a few reps,

1046
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: having never lifted a having never lifted a heavyweight in

1047
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: their entire life, they're doing Australian record bench presses with

1048
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: the worst, most ugly shouldered, destroying technique you've ever seen

1049
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: in your life because they've never learnt to bench press.

1050
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: It.

1051
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: And that's when the penny drops and you're like, it's

1052
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: still the same shit. These guys have these genetics that

1053
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: allow them to become world champion level strength athletes without

1054
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: putting any effort into actual strength training or actually learning

1055
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: out of strength train. They just fuck around with some

1056
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 2: weights and the body just grows muscle because for whatever

1057
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: reason that that's how their DNA has said to, you know,

1058
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: respond to very low levels of stress, and they the massive,

1059
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: massive guys are still every little bit as strong as

1060
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: you would expect. But these guys don't lift heavy and

1061
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: when they try to, because they don't care and they

1062
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: don't really understand and they never lifted it, they hurt themselves.

1063
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: So then they tell everyone, well, I don't lift heavy

1064
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: because it's really risky and you get hurt and injured,

1065
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, no, you just suck at it

1066
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: because you never actually learned how to do it, and

1067
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: you don't care because it's not hard and it's really interesting.

1068
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: And the reason I get into this is because this

1069
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: has permeated all of the training beliefs of everyone around

1070
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: the world that you don't need to put high effort

1071
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: into your training. You can lift light weights and just

1072
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: squeeze your muscles and you'll grow muscle the same. They

1073
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: look at what these unusual genetic anomalies do and they go,

1074
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: if I do what they do, I'll get the same results.

1075
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: You didn't even walk into the gym looking like them.

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Speaker 2: You won't.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like one of the things I see a

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: lot in I try a little In fact, I trying

1079
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: a gym called Snap, which is one of my old

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: gyms Would which is now a Snap franchise, And you know,

1081
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: a good little gym, and it's got everything I need

1082
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's probably got a million bucks

1083
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: worth of equipment. It's not the bloody best gym in

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00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: the world, but it's good for me. But more than

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00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: ever I'm seeing young like more than I've ever seen

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00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: in my life. In gym's young dudes coming in like

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: at at four o'clock, five o'clock. Seventy percent of the

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00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: clients are boys age between fifteen and twenty, like seventy

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: percent of the people in the gym. And some of

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: them good, some of them are you know, young studs.

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00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: But the other thing that's happening is because they're watching

1092
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: so much shit online and they're watching fuckwits who do

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: a set of dumbbell presses incline and then drop the

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00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: weights from a great height. Right, But these guys are

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00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: doing you know, incline presses with hund kilos each dumbbell

1096
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. But then you get the young guys in

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: the gym who are emulating their heroes and just throwing

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: weights from four foot high. And then when I would

1099
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: go up and go, hey, champ, don't do that, they

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: look at me like I'm the fucking enemy, the.

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 2: Old rouch in the gym.

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00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what are you doing? And they're like what,

1103
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I go, what are you doing? It's just it's not

1104
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: okay to just throw you weights from three feet I

1105
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: and nobody tells them it's and they just want the

1106
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: shit on. Yeah, they mate, you're not a fucking pro bodybuilder.

1107
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: And and you know this, this floor is not the

1108
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: floor that they're throwing their way. It's different. And those

1109
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: weights they're not built for that, you know.

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00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: Oh well, you look at Metroflex gym in Texas where

1111
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: Ronnie used to train, and it's like, you're going to

1112
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: make this gym look like Metroflex, like like an absolute

1113
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: shithole where everything's you know, beaten up.

1114
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: Oh that joint, I've seen that joint. That's that's absolute chaos.

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00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: All right. I just want to okay, a couple more

1116
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: than we're going to wind up. And of course different

1117
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: people need different things. But putting aside drugs and putting

1118
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: aside peptides, what are the in general terms, what are

1119
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: the supplements that you think are okay these days? And

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Speaker 1: I know it's a kind of a dumb question because

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: different people need different things, but what are the supplements

1122
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: that are on your maybe list?

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: Protein powder is the only one, really, protein powder, Vitamin C,

1124
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: vitamin D, you know, for people who are not getting

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01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: out in the sun or using sunscreen.

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01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: But that's about it.

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01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: I've never been a huge supplement guy, creatine. Creatine can

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: be beneficial on a high carbohydrate diet, not the way

1129
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 2: most people think. I find that it prevents people getting fat,

1130
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: so fat.

1131
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: On a high carbohydrate diet. But that's about it.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely loathe pre workouts with all of the you know,

1133
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: basically amphetamine and a raspberry tever. Yeah, just absolutely terrible.

1134
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: Well, people don't understand either, by the way, I don't know,

1135
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this story, you probably do.

1136
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: But do you know that my training partner died at

1137
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: the gym? They? Yeah, you know, you mentioned it? Yeah,

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember that. Yeah, so Mark Mark Lampard, who

1139
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: was a pro bodybuilder.

1140
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable for z yeah, beautiful physica.

1141
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so he died for seventeen minutes, right,

1142
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: So Friday afternoon five years ago. I think it was

1143
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: the seventeenth of October, So the anniversary has just passed.

1144
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: His fine, now, everybody only he was but literally five

1145
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: minutes past five on a Friday afternoon, he went off

1146
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: line dead cardiac arrest and was gone, fucking gone for

1147
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: until twenty two minutes past five.

1148
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: And really shit, and it's minutes I come back from

1149
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: seventeen minutes.

1150
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, very few people come back, and also very few

1151
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: people come back without significant brain brain issues, brain damage. Yeah,

1152
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, he was gone. He was literally dead for

1153
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes. But this is just my theory everyone, and

1154
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say which brand, but my theory

1155
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: is because he had nothing wrong with his heart, nothing

1156
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: wrong with all that. Let for one of a more

1157
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: technical term, plumbing of his heart, all these arteries and veins,

1158
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: and they ordered everything fine, right, no degeneration, no arteriosclerosis,

1159
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: no atherosclerosis, no reason in inverted commas to have a heart. Well,

1160
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: he didn't have a heart attack. He had a cardiac arrest. Now,

1161
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: the day that he had that, he was out all

1162
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: day working in the heat. I think he was dehydrated.

1163
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: He was down at Lawn. He drove two and a

1164
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: half hours back from Lorn to the gym. He came

1165
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: straight from LRN to Lawn as a place to everyone,

1166
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: not the grass out in the front of your house,

1167
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: but l O r N. It's a coastal town. He

1168
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: was down there, drove back, dehydrated. He drove he drank

1169
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: something like two or three I won't say which brand,

1170
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: but caffeine drinks probably the equivalent of eighteen or twelve

1171
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: coffee yeh, fucking whatever. And then he came to the

1172
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: gym and had some pre workout. Now, oh Jesus, yeah right,

1173
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: so he's probably got the equivalent of twelve fifteen coffees

1174
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: on board. He's dehydrated, So if you're dehydrated, you've got

1175
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: less blood volume. Your blood is thicker, so if viscosity increases,

1176
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: all this shit happens. And then he did twenty chins

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: literally two zero chins and held his breath for every rep,

1178
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,959
Speaker 1: and then he died or no fucking shock that he died, right, still,

1179
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: he died, but yeah, yeah, he died. They died. I

1180
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: have an absolute fucking passionate dislike for pre workout because

1181
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: apart from the fact that there's just a central nervous

1182
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: system stimulant that puts an incredibly unnecessary load on your

1183
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: cardiovascular system, and kids are drinking it like it's water, yeah,

1184
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, not only that, then they're then they're just

1185
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: cranking out cortisole and adrenaline and not in a good way,

1186
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: and they're they're predisposing themselves to issues down the track,

1187
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, and so bad.

1188
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: I just find it completely the opposite of to train effectively,

1189
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: you need to be focused. That's not focus, it's just

1190
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: pure panic. You just become you know, it's just manic panic.

1191
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: And if you're you know, if you're doing the last

1192
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: rep of any kind of pressing movement, it takes a

1193
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: period of time and it's like you're pushing with everything

1194
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: you've got, Like on the last rep of a squad

1195
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: which we call an eight minute rep because you know,

1196
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: you die of brain death from lack of oxygen doing

1197
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: that last rep. That's just so slow. When you're totally

1198
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: off your head on these stimulants, that three seconds of

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01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: actual time that a very very hard rep might take

1200
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: to grind all the way to the top feels like

1201
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. You quit within a micro second of putting

1202
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: the effort in and just go, oh, I missed and

1203
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: I was trying, you know, it felt like you were

1204
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: trying for thirty second. You weren't trying for a third

1205
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: of a second because the brain's all scattery. And I've

1206
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: seen that many people they just miss their performances because

1207
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: they're so buzzy and wide and it's the wrong state

1208
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: of mind to be in for a properly intense workout.

1209
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: If you want to go for a run, probably a

1210
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: you know, great thing. Yeah, you're you're energized, and you

1211
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: just even then, probably you run too fast at the

1212
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: start and you tie yourself out too soon. It's it

1213
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: doesn't contribute to performance like I think people believe that

1214
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: it does.

1215
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: I agree, mate. If people want to find you or

1216
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: follow you, or connect with you or learn about your app,

1217
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: how do they get involved?

1218
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: If you search, damon, hey, how you'll you'll find me everywhere?

1219
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: Not that active on the socials lately. Struggling with that

1220
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: a bit.

1221
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, your last post, your last post on Instagram

1222
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty two. To say that you're not that

1223
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: active lately is like fucking saying I.

1224
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: Never Instagram never never grabbed me, just like you know,

1225
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: Snapchat or anything else. It's just I don't know, it

1226
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: just never worked for me.

1227
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: So you're doing all right.

1228
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm getting by anyway, So.

1229
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: Mate, I appreciate you. We'll chat off here in a moment,

1230
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: but for the time being, thank you for this, Thanks

1231
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: for hanging out on the you project. Appreciate you. I'm

1232
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: glad you're doing great, so fucking fascinating to hear about

1233
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: your story and good luck with everything moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Man, Thanks mate, appreciate it.