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Speaker 1: Kelly's home. Welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: You're now the New South Wales the leader of the opposition.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty big task given the let's call it

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Speaker 1: the popularity of mens. How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: How does it go like? And do you guys actually

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Speaker 1: get at each other or I mean that happened in

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Speaker 1: federal politics. Yeah, it doesn't seem to have that much

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Speaker 1: to stay politics at least here in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think we get along pretty well as people,

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Speaker 2: but we have some pretty big policy differences. So where

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Speaker 2: we've had probably a gentle write in in terms of

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Speaker 2: the labor liberal relationship, they'll probably be increasingly more you know,

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Speaker 2: genuine arguments over policy in the direction of the state.

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Speaker 2: But yet he's you know, he's a likable premier, he's

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Speaker 2: a popular premier. But I would argue that behind that

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Speaker 2: lies a government that is failing New South Wales. So

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Speaker 2: I've got a big job to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, convincing New South Wales people that that's the case.

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Speaker 1: The federal politics is like a bear pit. They're at

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Speaker 1: each other within the party, their own parties, they're at

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Speaker 1: each other, party against party. We've got one nation sort

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Speaker 1: of ragging everybody left, right, center and everyone ragging one

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Speaker 1: nation and then they're calling each other out like you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like an attack on paul In Hansen, it's attack

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Speaker 1: on Albanezi, it's attack on not so much attack on

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Speaker 1: Agus at this stage because he hasn't really put his

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Speaker 1: head up as the you know, hasn't really been annoysy

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Speaker 1: yet as a proper leader is a proper leader. But

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Speaker 1: I mean in a media sense, in a public sense,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that level of politics? I mean,

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Speaker 1: why is it like that and how do you reflect

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Speaker 1: on that as the leader of the opposition in South Wales.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting a new South Wales Parliament has been

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Speaker 2: called the baar pit for a reason, even like one

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Speaker 2: hundred years ago they actually there were fisticuffs in the

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Speaker 2: chamber and we see verbal fisting.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind about that.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, I can be really strong, but I

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Speaker 2: do it in probably a different way because relatively speaking,

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Speaker 2: compared to many other politicians, I'm new to politics. I've

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Speaker 2: only been in the game a few years, so I

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Speaker 2: bring a lot of life experience, leadership experience outside of politics,

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Speaker 2: and I want to do this differently I can be tough,

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Speaker 2: ask my boys. I can deliver a line with a

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Speaker 2: look that will hopefully put people in their place. But

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Speaker 2: I don't think I need to yell too much. But

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Speaker 2: I must be strong. And there's a reason for that,

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Speaker 2: and that is because I've got an election to win

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Speaker 2: and it is highly unusual to overturn a first term

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Speaker 2: labor government, but I believe we need to do that.

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Speaker 2: Our state's economy is going backwards on their watch. Chris

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Speaker 2: Mins has already said that is leaving next term. So

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Speaker 2: you might be voting for mister nice guy this term,

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Speaker 2: but what are you getting afterwards? And I tell you

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Speaker 2: what you're getting. You're getting a government that has driven

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Speaker 2: our economy backwards from the top performing economy in the

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Speaker 2: country the GSP around four point one percent when the

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Speaker 2: Coalition left government, to an economy in New South Wales

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Speaker 2: that is the bottom of the pack. Now we've gone

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Speaker 2: from the top to the bottom. Our GSP is now

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Speaker 2: zero point nine percent.

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Speaker 1: Inflation is high GPS.

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Speaker 2: It's sorry, it's gross state products, so it's really it's

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Speaker 2: a measure of our productivity in this state. It is

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Speaker 2: going backwards. Businesses are closing at a record rate, sixty

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Speaker 2: two hundred closed their doors in New South Wales last year.

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Speaker 2: Our inflation is high and we're being dutted by the

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Speaker 2: federal government on the budget. So it's a government that

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Speaker 2: is getting bigger, that is spending, that can't do a deal,

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Speaker 2: that is rewarding their union mates who got them in

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Speaker 2: there in the first place. So I need to in

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Speaker 2: a very determined way remind the public of what is

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Speaker 2: at stake if they vote for labor again next year.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned your son's and let's have a look at

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Speaker 1: Kelly Sloan as a person. Maybe you could explain we

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Speaker 1: grow up, what you deal was whereabouts in Australia did

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Speaker 1: you grow up?

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Speaker 2: Also, I'm a country girl at heart, so I live

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Speaker 2: in one of the most highly densely populated parts of

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Speaker 2: But I grew up in country towns. Firstly in Port

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Speaker 2: Lincoln on the west coast of South Australia it's tuna

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Speaker 2: fishing town. Been there, and then mostly in the Barossa

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Speaker 2: Valley growing up in South Australia. So daddy ran a

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Speaker 2: small business. You know, mum who worked at the local

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Speaker 2: school as the principal's assistant. Brother and sister went to

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Speaker 2: the local high school and then wanted to be a journalist,

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Speaker 2: and that was my first big career.

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Speaker 1: We spend on our ridge around twenty six years of

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Speaker 1: as an individual and what would you take out of

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Speaker 1: that relative to being the premier of New South Wales

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Speaker 1: or at least yeah, or leading your party at least

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Speaker 1: at a minimum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it's defined me in ways that I'm only

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Speaker 2: just realizing now, that freedom but also that resilience you

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Speaker 2: have in country talents where you don't have access to

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Speaker 2: the resources in the big city. And that was particularly

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Speaker 2: pronounced in an era where there was thankfully pads and

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Speaker 2: no computer connectivity. You know, a dad running a small

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Speaker 2: business who couldn't take holidays. You know, the resilience of

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Speaker 2: a community, but also the way a community wraps around itself.

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Speaker 2: And Mum and Dad were always part of community clubs,

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Speaker 2: whether it was apex or roa tree or the hospital

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Speaker 2: board or whatever it was. We were always defined by

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Speaker 2: a sense of responsibility, you know, to our family members,

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Speaker 2: but also to the community and all of that above

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Speaker 2: service to yourself. And that really defined me in many ways.

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Speaker 2: And you know, from a career and they're not for

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Speaker 2: profit sector to what I'm doing now, and I see

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Speaker 2: that sense of service is absolutely critical the spine of

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Speaker 2: and we have to support people.

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Speaker 1: What do you get out of growing up with that?

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Speaker 1: In terms of values that we can identify with.

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Speaker 2: The values that aren't always consistent with being a politician.

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Speaker 2: I have to say that's probably better, and that is

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Speaker 2: putting others before yourself always. I never liked. We were

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Speaker 2: taught not to impose ourself upon people, not to ask

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Speaker 2: too much of others, to always just lead by example,

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Speaker 2: and that is an important value to me that I

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Speaker 2: try and teach my children as well. You get so

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Speaker 2: much joy, so much back if you are always seeking

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Speaker 2: to lift others around yourselves, and so that's an important

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Speaker 2: part of leadership. Lifting others. I think it's very true

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Speaker 2: to liberal values lifting individuals, individual enterprise, you know, small

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Speaker 2: business from a policy area very aligned with my values

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Speaker 2: and the upbringing in a small business family. I see

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Speaker 2: how tough business does it, but I know if you

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Speaker 2: lift and empower small business, the economy thrives. Spirituality is

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Speaker 2: important to me as well. I wouldn't say I go

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Speaker 2: to church every weekend, but now I go to a

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Speaker 2: whole range of churches, whether it was the Maronites last weekend,

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Speaker 2: lot because I represent a big Jewish community, and I

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Speaker 2: see a return to that value set more broadly in

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Speaker 2: our community. And I understand it that seeking to belong

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Speaker 2: have lost that sense of community and belonging. They don't

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Speaker 2: join the clubs that my parents did when I was

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Speaker 2: growing up. I see a yearning for that, for leadership

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Speaker 2: that is that is credible and authentic and honest and optimistic.

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Speaker 1: Wellthough they're right there, authentic and honesty and optimism. There's

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Speaker 1: there's three good values right there, and they're actually like

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Speaker 1: noly like virtues because we don't talk about those sorts

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Speaker 1: of things anymore. You certainly don't get it on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: It's not discussed in TikTok and other things like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just mentioned a couple of really good ones,

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Speaker 1: particularly for the small business community. But what other things

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Speaker 1: do you think that they're looking for. Their honesty is

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Speaker 1: a big one.

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Speaker 2: They are looking for people that can bring us together.

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Speaker 2: Everything divides our young people. You know, they are grown up.

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Speaker 2: They're growing up in such a fractured and complicated world

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Speaker 2: where the algorithm on their phones is forcing them to

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Speaker 2: go left or right. It's dividing young men and women,

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Speaker 2: pulling them further apart. I think they object strongly to

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Speaker 2: that attacking style of politics. The one thing young people

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Speaker 2: so often is they feel like they can trust me,

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Speaker 2: and to me, that is the ultimate you know, if

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Speaker 2: I leave this job, you know, I will leave this

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Speaker 2: I want people to have felt like they trusted me,

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Speaker 2: even if they don't believe in my policy platform, that

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Speaker 2: they know that it is coming from a place that

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Speaker 2: is good, that is honest, and that's what you know.

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Speaker 2: I hope that I can deliver that to young people.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting point you make, Kelly about the division,

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Speaker 1: the dividing world we have, because to some extent, I

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Speaker 1: feel as though politics today is about well some politics,

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Speaker 1: at least at the federal level, because they really haven't

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Speaker 1: observed the state level that much. But at the federal

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Speaker 1: level there's definitely a drive towards divide and conquer. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll do the polls, We'll find out where

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Speaker 1: the biggest voting cohort is and let's cleave them off

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Speaker 1: from the rest of the population, find out what they

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Speaker 1: opposition to the rest of the population, and we'll tell

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Speaker 1: them we're delivering it. I mean. A good example is

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Speaker 1: the budget we just got. The federal budget we just got,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was so directed at the young people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and they would have polled. The government would

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Speaker 1: have pulled that within an inch of its life, irrespective

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Speaker 1: of what you and I might think about it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, older people might think about the budget. It

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Speaker 1: in what two GB might say about the budget, and

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Speaker 1: even Channel nine and Channel seven and even the ABC

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Speaker 1: might say about the budget. Those people in that age

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Speaker 1: group twenty to thirty five begs voting cohort. They don't

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Speaker 1: watch any of those things. They don't agree with any

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Speaker 1: of those things they say that don't agree with what

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Speaker 1: you think or what I think, or what Paul Keating thinks.

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Speaker 1: That game of division, what do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: And what do you do about that? As a potential

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Speaker 1: new government for New South Wales led by yourself, how

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Speaker 1: do you talk to them?

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Speaker 2: Therein lies the ultimate riddle for a modern day politician.

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Speaker 1: It is old on riddle, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It is because I don't believe in black and white.

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Speaker 2: I believe in the gray and the middle. I believe

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Speaker 2: in pulling people together and seeking compromise, and it's what

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Speaker 2: So compared to every other state, we are billions behind.

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Speaker 2: We're getting the lower share in Australia, particularly when it

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Speaker 1: Do they do deals? Do the actually do deals?

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Speaker 2: can I have some more?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: And here are the reasons. That's how works, that's how

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Speaker 2: Is that so, now I'll give you an example of

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Speaker 1: And what is the reason why New South Wales Labor

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Speaker 1: Would you get punished more for that? I mean, if I.

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Speaker 2: What's Alba going to do pick up the phone and say,

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Speaker 2: He's got a job to do, which is to win

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Speaker 2: I mean he's agreed with that with angerste Taylor and

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Speaker 2: So it's a change of strategy.

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Speaker 1: In New South Wales mentioned as economically is going backwards

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Speaker 1: Like we have a lot of resources, but we don't

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Speaker 2: Well, we want to see more gas in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be absolutely essential. Former coalition government wanted

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Speaker 2: We've seen that recently with the fuel crisis. So these

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Speaker 1: It's interesting your earlier career. I thought politics was in journalism.

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Speaker 1: What like superpowers as Kelly Slim bring to politics, not

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Speaker 1: That she gets that she can look back to her

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Speaker 2: I would say it's my ability skills. I'm to triage

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Speaker 2: I developed a gut instinct for how people feel, how

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Speaker 2: they react, what they want you to say, what pisces

438
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Speaker 2: them off, particularly about politicians, And that is probably the

439
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: superpower that I bring into this job. That we can

440
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: sit around at table and I have plenty of colleagues

441
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: who are lawyers and they can talk about the detail,

442
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: but I'll say Mark Boris would say X, or Joe

443
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: blowing Betty from Blacktown would say white. And ultimately our

444
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: job is to serve them.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can sort of grab hold of the

446
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: thoughts and then turn that into words and then actually

447
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: prosecute it.

448
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: I think having a finger on the pulse of what

449
00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: the community expects of you is really important, you know.

450
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: I consolidated that with post journalism. I spent almost a

451
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: decade in the not for profit space. I ran a

452
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: big business. I employed people, I employed seventy teachers. I

453
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: got to go to schools and communities across the state

454
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Speaker 2: and hear from them without a camera, without the lights

455
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Speaker 2: of television, and to find out what they really think,

456
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Speaker 2: what they care about, what their values are for their families,

457
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Speaker 2: for their kids. And they were pretty consistent themes. And

458
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: want their kids to be happy, they want them to

459
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Speaker 2: be healthy, and they want them to have opportunity. Do

460
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Speaker 2: you see a.

461
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Speaker 1: Change, Kelly in politics. I mean we're seeing it at

462
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Speaker 1: the federal level. Do you think there's a sense of

463
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: or over career politicians and we want to see people

464
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Speaker 1: coming out from the real world.

465
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Speaker 2: I think the number one value that people rate is authenticity.

466
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: They're after authenticity, and I think part of that too

467
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: is young people. They hate what AI is doing to

468
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: their lives. They see them manufactured content in their social

469
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: media feeds. They want people they can trust who will

470
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: be a bit real, which means when we do our

471
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: videos as politicians, they shouldn't be too polished either. They

472
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: reward through likes and follows and engagement. Politicians globally who

473
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: tell their stories and who are a bit more grassroots,

474
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: who aren't afraid to make mistakes. And that's really hard

475
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: because if you make a mistake, as a politician, you

476
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: get punished for that and it comes back to you

477
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: over and even if it's just a misstep or you're

478
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: a bit real, it gets taken out of context. So

479
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: I can understand why people have been in this game

480
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: a long time are very closed up, you know, repeat,

481
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: they're tried and tested talking points and are worried to

482
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: go outside of the frame. But people these days reward

483
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, honesty, truthfulness, people who are willing to sort

484
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Speaker 2: of shake the shine off a little bit.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at Pauline, I mean, it seems

486
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: to me that she gets rewarded because Asia has been there.

487
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: She'd be consistent. She hasn't really changed her tune. After all,

488
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: she was a fish and chip shop owner, so she

489
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: understands what you know, hard work means. She's definitely not polished,

490
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: I know, paulind she's it's on the chest, as you'll

491
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: say it. And it seems like the elector is willing

492
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Speaker 1: to forgive people if they're like that, Like Pauline has

493
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: done some things which you know, like twenty five years ago,

494
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: you would never get away with today. What do you

495
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: do for that? In terms of your own personal wheelhouse,

496
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: how do you manage that. If you're a professional, you

497
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: have been a professional in your life, what do you

498
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: do there? Like, how do you play that game?

499
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just not going to play any games. I'm

500
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: not going to change me. I'm not a career politician.

501
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm here to get in here and get things done.

502
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: I do not look at the polling. I don't look

503
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: at the comments. I don't want to change. I can't change.

504
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: If I do change, it's not going to feel real.

505
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: And people see through you, especially today, people see through you.

506
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: They can see the bullshit, right, they can see the bullshit.

507
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: Like John Howard put it more eloquently than that, he

508
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: said that the public has an ability to read you.

509
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: They'll find you out, they'll know what you stand for.

510
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: So I'm not here to change. What you see and

511
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: what you hear from me is what you're going to

512
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: continue to get. And it may not be the examples

513
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 2: you've cited. It may not be like Pauline. I'm certainly

514
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: not going to be Pauline, but I respect the fact

515
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: that people are listening to her, and I feel like.

516
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: It's well, there's a lesson in that.

517
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is see that things have changed since she

518
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: started back then we were a more prosperous country. We

519
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: had an opportunity to be rewarded for hard effort and work.

520
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: If you worked a couple of jobs and you build

521
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: up your savings, you were rewarded for that. You could

522
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: buy a house. Could do you know? When I bought

523
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: my first unit in the late nineties, it was about

524
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: three times the average annual salary. You know these figures

525
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: better than anyone now it's about eleven times. A young

526
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Kelly this day would not be able to do what

527
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: I did. And so people feel that that promise has

528
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: been broken, so they don't care about what Pauline has

529
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: said in the past. I mean, I had a dinner

530
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: as an example, this week, I was seenior figures in

531
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: the Chinese community and the issue of One Nation came up,

532
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: and I said, what are your communities telling you? And

533
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: they said that they like Pauline really and I was

534
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: shown they said many of them were open to voting

535
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: for Pauline Hanson and One Nation. And I said, but

536
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: don't you remember what she said about your communities And

537
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: they said, yeah, they remember it. But the fact is

538
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: they understand that, but they agree with her on things

539
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: like immigration. They're here. When they arrived, they had an

540
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: opportunity to work hard and contribute to our country and

541
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: could see a better future for their kids. And these

542
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: days that promise has been broken. For their kids to

543
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: work just as hard, they won't have the same opportunity

544
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: for their next generation. And that is the broken promise

545
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: in our country right now that Angus Taylor is identifying

546
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: as well that Pauline has done for a long time.

547
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: And if we don't listen to that, if we're not

548
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: listening to that message, it's incredibly foolish.

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting you should say it, because I recently

550
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: saw Albo dismissing I think it was a small business community,

551
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: or at least a startup community who are putting up actually

552
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: sort of semi funny memes of Albo becoming their partner

553
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: when they sell their business. And I'm used to know

554
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: how you would handle this so or what you would

555
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: observe from that. When people aren't happy with something, how

556
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: do you think you should address them as potentially as

557
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: opposed of the way Prime Minister addressed them recently.

558
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: You just got to show up. Showing up is the

559
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: most important thing in this job. You know, there was

560
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: a situation with a big hospital in the Northern Beaches Hospital,

561
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: a lot of community anger about you know, perceived failures there.

562
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: There was a huge public forum and I was shadow

563
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: Health Minister at that time and I turned up and

564
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: as a result, I had, you know, applause from the

565
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: people in the room. They I had a number of

566
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: emails from people saying thank you for turning up and

567
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: for listening to us. And you know, my experience in

568
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: this job is you get a lot of angry emails

569
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: the first thing I do, right, yeah, I mean, by

570
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: and large, I have to say the majority are great,

571
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: but you do get angry emails when I get them.

572
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: I pick up the phone. People are really surprised to

573
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: hear from you, and they soften immediately, and they'll often say, well, look,

574
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: I disagree with the position, but I'm so grateful that

575
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: you rang and thank you. And I'll you know, tell

576
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: my friends that you called me. And so showing up listening.

577
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean, for Albow to make it about his picture

578
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: and how he looks shows a bit of vanity and

579
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: a bit of disconnect.

580
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I think, or definitely disconnect. I think the other I

581
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: don't know how he can I don't know how he's

582
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: got any vanity he.

583
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: Doesn't show about his photo.

584
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, but it is disconnect for sure.

585
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: I think they're telling you something and the people always

586
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: get it right. And even if you think, okay, they're

587
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: not across the detail because of X, Y and Z,

588
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: then it's your job as the communicator to fix that,

589
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: not theirs.

590
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: You showed that during the Bondo terrorist attack. Literally it

591
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: is in your area, but it doesn't really matter. I

592
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: mean you got there ahead of the Feds. I think

593
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: actually went down there on the night you were attending something.

594
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: I was there as I arrived as the last shots

595
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: were being fired. I ran in. I was there before

596
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: the ambulance has arrived. It's how did you know about it?

597
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: At night?

598
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Were a nearby or.

599
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: I was at a Hearneker event in the neighboring suburb

600
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: well of Dover Heights, not very far at all from

601
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: the Bondi shooting. I was on stage. I was about

602
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: to deliver a speech, a speech that was going to

603
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: be about hope that there'd been a cease far in

604
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: the Middle East. It was a sunny day, beautiful day,

605
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: talking about the year ahead. Because Hearneke is about light

606
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: over darkness, I was standing on stage when the crowd

607
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: started running, running towards the stage, and I looked out.

608
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: I remember looking out and thinking, I can't see a gun.

609
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: I can't see a knife. I can't see danger. So

610
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: I jumped off the stage and reassured people and I

611
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: said you stay here. And there were kids, and they

612
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: were clearly worried, and the communities had been on tenderhooks

613
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: for a long time, and so I just wanted them

614
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: to feel reassured. I said, sure, it's all fine, and

615
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: I casually walked towards where the perceived danger was, just

616
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: to show over it was okay. I would go and

617
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: I'd find out. And as a guy grabbed me and said, ma'am,

618
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: there's a live shooting. You're a potential target as a

619
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Speaker 2: as a member of parliament. You need to get to safety.

620
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: And the only I hadn't I had walked to that

621
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: event from about five blocks away, so I had no

622
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: way of getting to safety. So the first thing I

623
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: jumped into the closest car, which was an ambulance, a

624
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: Hatzola ambulance, which is a local Jewish community ambulance, and

625
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: the driver was on the two way radio to his

626
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: mate yankee had been shot, and he said, Kelly, I'm

627
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: heading to the there's a shooting. There's a live shooting.

628
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: I'm heading there. You can get out of the car.

629
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: And I said, I'm coming with you. So we sped

630
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: down to Bondai and we arrived as the final shots

631
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: were being fired. And and we as we drove into Bondai,

632
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: just you.

633
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Know, what was the scene?

634
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: Like, I mean like we came into that park, yep, that.

635
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Which is behind the surf club or behind the building there.

636
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: We were on the road leading to the bridge, the

637
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: now infamous bridge, and we were looking at the car

638
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: window and we were passing body after body, groups of

639
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: people clustered around people, unimaginable scenes. And it was then

640
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: we realized the full extent. It was a mass casualty event.

641
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: And we headed to the bridge because that's where we

642
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: thought the driver's friend was, not knowing the government were

643
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: on the bridge. We parked under the bridge. There was

644
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: a man and his little boy hiding under the bridge

645
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: of the government was still they were still on the bridge,

646
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: but they were wrestling with the police. As we parked there,

647
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: I yelled out the window of the ambulance to this

648
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: man get in the ambulance, get in here to safety

649
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: with his kid. With his kid because he had his

650
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: kid covered up. They were hiding under there, and he

651
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: said is it safe? And I said, I don't know.

652
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: I jumped out. I did a rekki. I said I

653
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: can't see any danger. And I grabbed them and pulled

654
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: them into the car and then I ran in. It

655
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: ran into the park. Wow, And people were screaming and

656
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: the police were saying. Police were arriving, guns drawn. As

657
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: I'm running in, there's police running in with guns. There

658
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: was a loud bang. I remember thinking that was another

659
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: gun shot. It possibly was, because we'll learn about that

660
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: in the in the follow up investigation. But I ran

661
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: in and and there were you know, there were just

662
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: bodies everywhere. It was like it was like a scene

663
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: out of a movie.

664
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Speaker 1: It was a bit surreal for you.

665
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: It was completely surreal.

666
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: I do you think yourself, what the hell? Like?

667
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: I thought I would probably get shot. Wow, I thought,

668
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: but I can't turn back because.

669
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Speaker 1: At that stage you were numbers two or ten shoes.

670
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: You don't know that.

671
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: I had no idea. The cops were yelling at me,

672
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: there's another shooter, get out of here, and I ignored

673
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: them and kept going. There were people coming out of

674
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: the surf club. One guy had a big tray of bandages,

675
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: and I just had give me a job. And he said,

676
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: literally said plug the holes. He said, grab some bandages,

677
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: plug the holes, apply compression. And that's what I did.

678
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: I went in and the first lady I saw, she

679
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: was lying on the ground and she had people on

680
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: her applying compression, but she was no one was holding

681
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: her hand. She was just looking up into the sky.

682
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: And so I held her hand and I told her

683
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: I was with her. Said my name's Kelly. I'm with you.

684
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving you. I looked into right she looked.

685
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: She looked at me, and she knew I was there.

686
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: And did she survive? She didn't make it. No, how

687
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: does it affect you? Does it stop you from Did

688
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: you ever think to yourself, I'm not doing this anymore.

689
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to become politician. This is or bullshit.

690
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I.

691
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: Had to keep doing my job. I mean, I was

692
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: with her, and then I was with the next person.

693
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I sat with a lady who was in

694
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: deep shock and she was just looking into the distance.

695
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: I just older lady I just took her hand. I

696
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: said to you, Okay, who are you here with and

697
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: she said, that's my husband. He's lying dead on the

698
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: ground in front of us, like her eighty seven year

699
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: old husband who had escaped the Holocaust come to Australia

700
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: and got shot dead on Bond.

701
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Eye beach Man. It's just crazy to think I was covering.

702
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: Up dead bodies. I was supporting. I was working with

703
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: first responders like so many other people that day. But

704
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: you can't. I then had to switch into leeder mode

705
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: in the middle of that massacre and take briefings from

706
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: the government, let the media notice stay clear of the

707
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: area because it was still unsafe. I had to go

708
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: out and face the cameras. I then had to support

709
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: my community, and I didn't even contemplate, you know, walking

710
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: away from that, even though it's been the toughest thing,

711
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: and it still is. It was five months ago, and

712
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: I have to say it's probably tougher now than it

713
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: was back then.

714
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're dealing with the aftershock. It's interesting what

715
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: you just said. The Jewish community, you know, from my

716
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: observations of the people that I know come from that community,

717
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: not just here in Sydney, but other places around Australia

718
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: have been amazing in terms of assimilation. But at the

719
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: same time, you know, they respect their traditions and their religion,

720
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: but their assimilation has been amazing. They don't walk around

721
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: saying when they go to the footy, I'm Jewish, They're

722
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: they're because they're gun on the footy and that's their

723
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: team playing the footy, or and most other community is

724
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: the same. What do you think about people politicians when

725
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: they say, you know, assimilation, I don't believe. You know,

726
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: this community should be has to be, should have to

727
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: assimilate into Australia, but they should be able to maintain

728
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: their position in wherever country they come from and stick

729
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: to their own community and not assimilate for the rest

730
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: of the country. What do you think about that? And

731
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: you know the politics I'm talking about Tony Burke, he

732
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: has said that he's not a fan of assimilation.

733
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you have to. Like that doesn't mean you

734
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: have to give up your culture and food and your faith.

735
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: Like that's fantastic. I love the fact that we have

736
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: that breadth of cultures and faiths in our city, but

737
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: there has to be something that ties us all together,

738
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: and that is our love for this country, termination to

739
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: work hard for it, and our ability to make friends

740
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: across the divide. And that has been the story of

741
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: our country. So if people are coming here and they

742
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: are not doing that, then why have you come here?

743
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: Like why are you here? You can't come to this

744
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: country and try to change us. You can help us learn,

745
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: you can help us enjoy your food and.

746
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: Your cultures are going to enjoy it, and then fabulous

747
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: be part of it.

748
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: That's what our country is all about. If you're coming

749
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: here and you're putting up the proverbial middle finger to

750
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: our country and you're trying to change our system of law,

751
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: or you're not wanting to try, then see you later.

752
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: What kind of that brings me back to the game

753
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: of division?

754
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Though I don't think that's divisive. That's all about inclusive.

755
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: What you say is inclusive. Assimilation is inclusive. But I'm

756
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: saying that when you say to someone a cohort of people,

757
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: if you're a senior politician, that I don't believe in

758
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: assimilation that creates division by nationality or by religion or

759
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: by culture. It's a bit like what I was saying

760
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: earlier on about saying when the budget comes out and

761
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: a government says the older generation has stolen from the

762
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: younger generation, that's politics of division. Does your party stand

763
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: for that type of politics or another type of politics?

764
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: But where do you sit?

765
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: Well, obviously inclusiveness, But I don't think it's divisive to

766
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: call out the obvious. And I think it is obvious

767
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: that this younger generation is being robbed of opportunity, and

768
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: it is our job to call it out and be

769
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: quite clear about that.

770
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: But should you punish one generation against the other, like

771
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: should we punish the older generation?

772
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: Like? I see, it's not that. I don't think it's

773
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 2: the older generation's fault. I think it's the government's fault

774
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: totally so, and we can call that out clearly as well.

775
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: But it is.

776
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: Do you think they should say we got it wrong.

777
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: We the government got it wrong, and we're going to

778
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: try and fix it for you younger generation. We got

779
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: it wrong.

780
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've let you down. We've let down the younger generation,

781
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: who are hard working, decent, fantastic young people. You know

782
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: they are this young generation? Is they smoke less than

783
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: us than we used to do it at their age,

784
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: and drink less. They actually take fewer drugs. They're committed

785
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: to social service. They do it in different ways than us,

786
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: but they are empathetic and they want opportunities.

787
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: They care about each other too.

788
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: And they care about each other, and we are letting

789
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: them down and that they have ideas and they're innovative

790
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: and we need them if we're going to be a successful, smart,

791
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial country. And this is where I believe that we

792
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: have have taxed opportunity through this budget and that's why

793
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: I think it is bad.

794
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: Do you think New South Wales has an advantage over

795
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: other places in Australia or anywhere else in the world

796
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: for that matter, to encourage these young people to set

797
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: up here and stay here and work here and build

798
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: here as opposed to see later I'm off to Singapore.

799
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to New Zealand where it's zero

800
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: a couple of games tax are I'm going to go

801
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: to San Francisco where it's only fifteen percent. Do you

802
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: think New South Wales underneath your leadership could do it?

803
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I want to return New South Wales to

804
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: being the premier state, a place that attracts investment but

805
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: also attracts ideas that we don't have our young people

806
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: saying it's too hard, there's too much compliance where we're

807
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: shutting up shop. I mean, we're seeing the viability of

808
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: innovative startup hubs like fish Burners collapsing under this current

809
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: labor government. We're seeing grants cut. We should be investing

810
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: in this area. We need to be harnessing AI for productivity,

811
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: especially in the public service. When I say productivity, making

812
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: people's jobs easier and more enjoyable, not cutting jobs, reinvesting

813
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: that dividend into our frontline workers. I spoke to our

814
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: police officers this week at their big conference. You know,

815
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: they spend so much time on paperwork. There are ways

816
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: we can simplify that so quickly they become uber drivers

817
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: for correction services. They sit at their desk, they come

818
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: in on their days off to do their paperwork. In

819
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: this day and age, that shouldn't be necessary. You know,

820
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: there are so many things we can do to drive

821
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: greater productivity in our state, and a lot of them

822
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: aren't tough. But at the moment we are sending people off. Sure,

823
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: we are not giving young people a reason to be here,

824
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: and we have to change that.

825
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: And how is the Liberal Party in New South Wales

826
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: relationship with the net's going in a coalition. Yeah great,

827
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: because we all look at the at a federal level

828
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: and like everyone's attacking each other. But how are you

829
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: guys going.

830
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: I love the NATS. We've got a great leader in

831
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: Gurmesh Singh in our state, have great relationships. We we

832
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: have all team meetings when we have parliament on their

833
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: staff mixes with ours. We we have genuine interest in

834
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: supporting each other and and coming up with policies that

835
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: are aligned. So yeah, and you know they I love

836
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: going out into our regional communities. You know, last eastro

837
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: went out right way out back past an Ingen and

838
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: saw a lot of the issues that they're facing, you know,

839
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: with pest control, with the drought and and and came back,

840
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: you know, and talked to the NATS about what we

841
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: can do about these issues as well. So, you know,

842
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: I think people in the city there's this perception that

843
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: there's a divide. I feel like even city dwellers in

844
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: our country just understand how valuable it is to support

845
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: our regional communities. The people that feed us, put food

846
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: on our plates, dig up the minerals have those challenges

847
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: that really outweigh many of the challenges we have in

848
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: the city and as a country girl, that's very authentic.

849
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: None of us, by the way, would be able to

850
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: do it what they do. None of us here in

851
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: the city, in the metro areas are prepared to go

852
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: and do what they do.

853
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: So they're the true Australia.

854
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: They're unbelievable. Kelly. The elections in twenty twenty eight, I think.

855
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: It's in twenty twenty seven, about ten months away.

856
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Ten months away. What's behind you if you've got enough

857
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: a bench strength sitting behind you to bring this forward

858
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: and get this done.

859
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: Enormous bench strength. What people forget in New South Wales

860
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: is it's a minority labor government. If we hold on

861
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: to all of our seats at the next election, we

862
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: just need to flip six to win. That's how close

863
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: it is. And so in my team, I've got this

864
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: mix of former government ministers, you know, years and years

865
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: and years mult applied of government experience, but also a

866
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 2: lot of young people. Got ten millennials, got three women

867
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: having one just gave birth recently, another two very shortly.

868
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: We've got people living the lives of the constituents that

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Speaker 2: they're representing. So the diversity is great, almost a gender

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Speaker 2: split that's almost half half in New South Wales as well.

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Speaker 2: Like we match fit. We're ready to get back into government.

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Speaker 2: But the challenge is going to be to tell people

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Speaker 2: why and why they need to return their vote to us.

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Speaker 2: And it's the challenge is huge. I don't underestimate it.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be massive. But I just have to

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Speaker 2: keep running hard.

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Speaker 1: And at what point? I mean, you're a young woman.

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Speaker 2: But it's thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Well you are relatively very old some days, but it

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Speaker 1: does take energy and you've got your own family. Do

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Speaker 1: you ever film? Oh my god, this is exhausting, and

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Speaker 1: what do you do? What does Kelly Sloane then do

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Speaker 1: to get yourself backup on the horse? What do you do?

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Speaker 2: Last night? As an example, I just went for a

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Speaker 2: really long walk with the dog that he was all

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Speaker 2: just stuff and finding moments of silence. I need that

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of noise, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: talking at you with you, a lot of things to canvas.

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Speaker 2: And that's again where that journalism career helps me. Juggling

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Speaker 2: lots of balls, triaging what's important. But you find an

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Speaker 2: energy that you didn't think you had, Like I jump

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Speaker 2: out of bed and I'm full of beans. I've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of energy and it's a taxing job, but

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Speaker 2: you get the energy from the people, you see. And

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Speaker 2: people are looking for a reason, They're looking for hope,

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Speaker 2: they're looking for opportunity. They want a strong opposition. Even

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Speaker 2: the labor voters want a strong opposition, most of them.

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Speaker 2: And it's my job to find that energy and to

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Speaker 2: fight hard in opposition.

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Speaker 1: Yep. But you've got the big campaign coming up soon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be full on mat. How long does

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Speaker 1: a campaign go for? Like, is it six months?

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Speaker 2: Pypically about three months, So after the January Long weekend,

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Speaker 2: the Australia Day Long weekend, it's game on right and

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Speaker 2: we go hard. The technical period of campaigning I think

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Speaker 2: is about three months. But the campaign, you know, has

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Speaker 2: already started for me. You know, we need to work

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Speaker 2: every day like we're in campaign mode and start building

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Speaker 2: up our war chest of policies and ideas, figuring out

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Speaker 2: how we're going to sell them, how people learn about me.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know me yet. It's my

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Speaker 2: job to get out there and say hi, and then

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Speaker 2: and bring the team with me, because I've got an impressive,

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Speaker 2: incredibly impressive team.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be We're going to

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Speaker 1: be in New South Wales in the next election, more

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Speaker 1: presidential style election. In other words, we're going to vote

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Speaker 1: for the party, for the leader of the party that

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Speaker 1: we know, you know, as opposed to I'm going to

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Speaker 1: vote for my local member in my case, is you anyway?

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Speaker 1: But if I'm outside of your area, because I really

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Speaker 1: like Kelly Sloan, therefore I don't even know my local member,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to vote for that Liberal Party member

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Speaker 1: because I like Kelly Slogan. Do you think we're going

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Speaker 1: to have one of those sorts of state elections? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Slime versus.

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Speaker 2: Mins, there'll be a bit of that for sure. And

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Speaker 2: I think Men's already, by standing up and distancing himself

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Speaker 2: from Albow, has really flagged what their strategy is. It'll

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Speaker 2: be Min's and maybe a little small Labor logo in

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Speaker 2: the corner. They will talk more about him as the

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Speaker 2: presidential style campaign rather than attaching themselves to Labor. I

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Speaker 2: will be seeking to promote my team in everything I do.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can he's mister nice guy. I can

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Speaker 2: be mister nice girl. That's you know, that's a neutralizing factor.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I hope, but but that might not be the solicies.

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Speaker 2: People value first thing, they value their local member, and

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Speaker 2: if they have a hard working local member, that will

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Speaker 2: override pretty much everything else, particularly in our regional and

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Speaker 2: out of metropolitan seats. People want ideas, and they want

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Speaker 2: hope and they want vision, and that's where I think

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Speaker 2: will be successful in the lead up to this next

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Speaker 2: election campaign.

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Speaker 1: Well, ken I san good luck. I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: watching this with a great deal of not only enthusiasm

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Speaker 1: but interest. And if you want to come back on

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Speaker 1: closer to when the election periods starting, obviously I'll offer

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Speaker 1: the same demins, but we won't do it one on

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Speaker 1: one debate. But maybe we get him in close proximity

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Speaker 1: a bit like I did for the federal election. I

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Speaker 1: had Peter on, Peter Dutton on and I also had Albanesium.

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Speaker 1: But we'd love to do that in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the chat.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Thanks