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Speaker 2: Are married, we have a daughter. There are certainly moments

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Speaker 2: when my mind went to them. Are certainly a moment

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Speaker 2: where you know, just the you know, the young lad.

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Speaker 2: So I just take a moment.

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Speaker 3: My wife sleeps beside me at night and knows I

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Speaker 3: have nightmares most nights about it.

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Speaker 4: What do you do?

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Speaker 3: You either get on the horse and keep going or

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Speaker 3: you let it ruin your life. And it had certainly

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Speaker 3: change my life, but it's not going to own me.

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Speaker 4: From The Australian I'm Cameron Stewart and this is The Flood,

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Speaker 4: Episode three. We are sinking. It is February twelve, two

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Speaker 4: thousand and three, and the Royal Australian Navy submarine HMAS

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Speaker 4: Dashino was seconds away from sinking to the bottom of

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Speaker 4: the Indian Ocean, taking her sixty crew with her. A

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Speaker 4: catastrophic flood engulf the submarine after a seawater hose burst

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Speaker 4: while it was at its deepest diving depth, fifty nautical

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Speaker 2: We worked out later that we had a ton of

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Speaker 2: sea water coming into the submarine every second. A ton

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Speaker 2: of sea water is the same as one hundred crates

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Speaker 2: of your favorite lager coming into your submarine every second

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Speaker 2: through a hole about that big.

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Speaker 4: But at this moment, Commander Scott had no idea how

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Speaker 4: much seawater had flooded his submarine. He didn't even know

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Speaker 4: for sure if the flood had stopped. His crew had

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Speaker 4: just performed the emergency procedures designed to try to save

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Speaker 4: the submarine and themselves. They're blowing all of the boats ballast,

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Speaker 4: shut all of the Dashena's external hole valves, and increased

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Speaker 4: the motor to full speed while angling the submarine at

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Speaker 4: twenty degree upward tilt, double the usual to try to

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Speaker 4: gather enough momentum to climb back to the surface. There

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Speaker 4: was no margin for error.

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Speaker 2: I had a well trained crew, I had an exceptional

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Speaker 2: boat with a lot of redundancy. I've been in sticky

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Speaker 2: situations before. I'd seen submarines, and I knew that if

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Speaker 2: we kept our call, did what we knew we needed

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Speaker 2: to do, exercise discipline, bring all the sort of expertise

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Speaker 2: that we had to bear on board, then we would

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Speaker 4: The trouble was that in the first few seconds the

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Speaker 4: crew in the control room did all that they could

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Speaker 4: to save the submarine, that initiated all of the emergency

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Speaker 4: operating procedures quickly and flawlessly. There was nothing more they

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Speaker 4: could do but sit and watch the depth gauge. The

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Speaker 4: men and women aboard the Dushano were entering the longest

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Speaker 4: minutes of their lives, waiting to see if they had

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Speaker 2: It went very quiet. They went very quiet because we'd

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Speaker 2: there's a few moments there we were kind of going, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we've done what we've been taught and trained to do,

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Speaker 2: and we haven't won this one yet, So where are

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Speaker 2: we going from here? You get to a point where

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Speaker 2: you've certainly done everything you can with blowing main ballast.

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Speaker 2: But of course the submarine takes a moment to build

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Speaker 2: submarine and it takes time to build up speed. The

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Speaker 2: your hydroplanes. It's that combination of effect. Blow your main ballast,

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Speaker 2: get rid of that weight, build up the speed, get

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Speaker 4: Commander Scott was too in the control room to know

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Speaker 4: He did not know that Petty Officer Jordi Bunting had

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Speaker 2: It might have been physical mayhem at the back of

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Speaker 4: Even after Greg Sullivan and Michael Morris had pulled Jordie

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Speaker 4: Bunting out of the flooded lower motor room, the lives

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Speaker 4: as the sea water washed over electrical equipment, putting the

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it would have been pretty terrifying as they

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Speaker 4: At the time, Chief engineer John Ryan had run the

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Speaker 4: but as the water swirled around him, he realized the danger.

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Speaker 4: For what felt like an eternity. The submarine refused to

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Speaker 4: It was traveling at full speed, with its whole point

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Speaker 4: sink further. The submarine was heading into the Abyss. Twenty

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Speaker 4: years after the flood, Peter Scott published his memoir Running Deep,

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Speaker 4: an Australian Submarine Life, which we heard an excerpt from

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Speaker 4: in episode two of this series. Here, Scott vividly recalls

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Speaker 2: My heart is beating through my neck. I know we

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Speaker 2: We will be crushed by the pressure before we hit

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Speaker 2: We've been here before, We've trained for this, some of

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Speaker 4: Now you're at the deepest diving depth. You were looking

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Speaker 2: So the bloat just hung for what seemed like an

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Speaker 4: What went through your mind?

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Speaker 2: Then this is all about the wrong way. I had

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Speaker 2: the ballancet out of the balancet tanks, and you know

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Speaker 2: it wasn't over until it was over. Kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: But to see that depth gauge going the wrong way

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Speaker 4: The crew react. They would have seen the same depth gage.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who anyone who could see a depth gauge would

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Speaker 2: They probably would have had similar reaction to myself.

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Speaker 4: Commander Scott could feel the eyes of his crew upon him.

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Speaker 2: So I'm standing in the middle of the control room.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't saying anything, but he was very clearly asking,

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Speaker 4: Sonar operator Melanie Ellerton was one of those crew members

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Speaker 6: Her, like how far past is is limit going to go?

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Speaker 6: Before the submarine says no, you can't handle that pressure anymore,

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Speaker 4: Every sailor you were going down would mean.

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Speaker 6: Very much like a coke can getting crushed. Pretty the

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Speaker 4: At that moment, down the back of the submarine in

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Speaker 3: Despite the fact that the whole vales were sharp and

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Speaker 2: Very soon after the flood occurred, I was trying to

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Speaker 4: Now that's Captain Scott, that's you as captain having that responsibility.

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Speaker 3: Wh you know, just.

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Speaker 4: But then a miracle happened.

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Speaker 2: It did start to flatten out and recover, and once

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Speaker 5: As a general rule, you can't smoke anywhere on the submarine.

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Speaker 5: So I just went to the boss and said, you know,

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