WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 15 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Burray Live. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course I'll get to Zalie Stegul showing how

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<v Speaker 2>mean the left can be.

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<v Speaker 1>For there apparently as they're compassionate.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an amazing story about China interfering in the debate

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<v Speaker 2>here in Australia. It was been years you probably didn't

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<v Speaker 2>hear about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And today was actually a very good day to Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>not just because of the way he handled himself, but

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<v Speaker 1>also new opinion polls, new data. I'll get to all

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<v Speaker 1>of that as always, and i'd love to know you

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<v Speaker 1>think that Winna Musa of the Week is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, as we know in the UK, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>tough watching this place of which we've either visited or

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<v Speaker 2>many people are from, and that we love, that has

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<v Speaker 2>descended into a form of chaos that's been a long

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<v Speaker 2>time coming, and of course once you get to that

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<v Speaker 2>stage it is too late.

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<v Speaker 1>But something has also devolved.

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<v Speaker 2>In the UK over a long period of time, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the normalization of knife crime of stabbings.

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<v Speaker 3>London is on a knife edge, with the capital recording

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<v Speaker 3>a new knife crime incident every thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Zombie style knives and machetes.

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<v Speaker 3>Knife crime in London, stabbing attack on the British seaside

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<v Speaker 3>town of Southport.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally anyone who pays attention to English news or has

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<v Speaker 2>family every day, every day and as you just heard,

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<v Speaker 2>there every thirty minutes and they say they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>crack down on it, and then nothing happens. Well, as

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<v Speaker 2>you have heard today, a little Australian girl who was

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<v Speaker 2>doing what many little Australian girls do, which is have

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<v Speaker 2>a dream holiday in the UK, going to the place

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<v Speaker 2>where there's the Lego store, the eminem store, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>equivalent of Times Square. A little eleven year old girl

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<v Speaker 2>was stabbed. It was confirmed in the past twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours that this little girl is from New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this shock attack happened in broad daylight Michael in

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<v Speaker 4>London's busy Leicester Square. She was with her thirty four

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<v Speaker 4>year old mother at the time of the attack, and

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<v Speaker 4>the ABC understands that the family, who is on holiday

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<v Speaker 4>in London at the moment, is from New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>The girl was taken to hospital with serious but non

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<v Speaker 4>life threatening injuries. She received plastic surgery, but has since

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<v Speaker 4>been released from hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>An excellent part of the story is how, just like

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<v Speaker 2>in the scenario in Bondi, that there were security guards

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<v Speaker 2>who were there. Thankfully, unlike the Bondou situation, a life

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<v Speaker 2>was saved because of the actions of this security guard

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<v Speaker 2>who spoke to the ABC.

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<v Speaker 5>I heard a screen I sold said there was a

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<v Speaker 5>guy who was stabbing a girl. So as I saw them,

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<v Speaker 5>I stabbing the girl, I started running towards the guy.

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<v Speaker 5>I jumped on the guy, hold his hand in which

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<v Speaker 5>she was cutting a knavee him down on the floor,

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<v Speaker 5>and then kick the knife away from him. At that time,

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<v Speaker 5>there was only one thought to save the kit, to

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<v Speaker 5>save her more, nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>From everyone in Australia. Mate, thank you, well done.

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<v Speaker 2>You welcome here anytime you want, come for holiday or

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<v Speaker 2>stay for even a little bit longer.

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<v Speaker 1>But this isn't the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of what I wanted to mention at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of tonight's show, because, of course, in and around Paris

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<v Speaker 2>and the phenomenal Olympic Games that we all sat there

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<v Speaker 2>and watched and enjoyed. Before the games, there were a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of terrible stories, including of course, significant assaults that

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<v Speaker 2>had happened on a couple of people who worked for

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<v Speaker 2>the Channel Line broadcasting team. Also, the gold medalist of

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<v Speaker 2>the BMX had been robbed a couple of days before

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<v Speaker 2>he was set to compete, and thankfully they swamped the

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<v Speaker 2>area with police, because you can do that during something

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<v Speaker 2>like an Olympic Games. And apparently crime was dealt with

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<v Speaker 2>quite aggressively. Now to the bit I really want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. At the time, the chef to Micheon of

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<v Speaker 2>the Australia Olympic team and Emirs said this about the

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<v Speaker 2>crime situation in Paris.

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<v Speaker 5>We're in a big international city.

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<v Speaker 6>Crime is a part of life.

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<v Speaker 5>Unfortunately, we just need to have some common sense and

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<v Speaker 5>stay safe where we can and make those smart decisions

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<v Speaker 5>and be grateful for the people who are putting themselves

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<v Speaker 5>in a position to keep us safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that makes sense. I can't stand that view.

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<v Speaker 2>Because slowly but surely, like we've all heard of the

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<v Speaker 2>frog in the pot that doesn't realize it's in boiling

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<v Speaker 2>water until eventually it is too late. Societies crumble when

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<v Speaker 2>they start to look the other way and start to

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<v Speaker 2>normalize the idea, Yeah, this stuff happens, fingers cross, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen to you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a terrible attitude for people to have.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why people say it, We've all probably said

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<v Speaker 2>it to ourselves, but it's something that links back to

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and our attitude towards crime. Now increasingly people are

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<v Speaker 2>telling us that as a dominant political issue at state

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<v Speaker 2>and even federal level is things like crime. But just

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, we don't want to ever become a

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<v Speaker 2>place that ends up having race riots in whichever direction,

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<v Speaker 2>with whomever is stoking them or whoever is the focus

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<v Speaker 2>of them. We also don't want to get to a

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<v Speaker 2>stage where an eleven year old girl can be stabbed

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the equivalent of whatever our version

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<v Speaker 2>of Times Square is, be it Federation Square in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>be it Circular Key, be it the Valley in Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 2>or anywhere else around the country. But sadly, the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we get information about crime in Australia tends to

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<v Speaker 2>show us that the attitude is what you're going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You see if you actually have a look at the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers which are served up in the crime statistics and

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm just going to focus in on New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales because I know how to read how they do

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<v Speaker 2>this data. Now we'll tell you that domestic violence is

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<v Speaker 2>up and non domestic violence is up, and breaking end

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<v Speaker 2>as are up, and stealing from a car is up,

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<v Speaker 2>and stealing from a store is up, and other stealing

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<v Speaker 2>is up. There's this horrible word that is used by

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<v Speaker 2>crime statisticians, and it's not because they're heartless.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just this is their description that.

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<v Speaker 2>If it doesn't really go up and it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>go down. The term that they use is stable, and

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<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales murder is stable. Murder is stable,

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<v Speaker 2>and assaulting police is stable, and sexual assault is stable,

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<v Speaker 2>and other sexual offenses are stable, and abductions are stable,

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<v Speaker 2>and blackmail and extortion is stable. But the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>that behind stable or behind up or behind down are

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<v Speaker 2>human beings. For crimes to be committed, there obviously is

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<v Speaker 2>a perpetrator, there are obviously is a victim. So think

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<v Speaker 2>about this from the perspective of these statistics are not statistics.

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<v Speaker 2>They are victims on the other side of somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>has been arrested and potentially gone through the court system.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the numbers from March this year to March

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<v Speaker 2>last year in New South Wales. These are the categories

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<v Speaker 2>that are of course referred to as stable sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>people were killed non domestic violence they say is up

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<v Speaker 2>just by six percent. What if I told you that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a football stadium of victims of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales, that number feels a lot different,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it than just six point six percent up? Or

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<v Speaker 2>the general assault figures another football stadium of people, the

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<v Speaker 2>number of people have been sexually assaulted, a smaller but

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<v Speaker 2>still football of people.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of police officers, we've.

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<v Speaker 2>Broken this down many times where there are what the

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<v Speaker 2>best part of six assaults that take place every day,

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<v Speaker 2>public holiday, Monday, Tuesday, middle of the week, middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the year. So you get to two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>thousand police officers who were assaulted last year, twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>examples of somebody breaking in and stealing something from a house,

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<v Speaker 2>a car, or somebody who smashes up property. Now, each

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<v Speaker 2>and every one of those numbers is a person. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I hear people say big city crimes, part of it,

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<v Speaker 2>just remain vigilant. At the heart of that, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand what the cautious statement that is being given is.

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<v Speaker 2>At the heart of it is, Yeah, somebody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get stabbed, but fingers crossed, it's not you. Now, the

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<v Speaker 2>same way that people rage about certain types of crime

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<v Speaker 2>that take place and demand that the only acceptable result

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<v Speaker 2>is zero h next to some of these offenses, well

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<v Speaker 2>that applies to all offenses. Now, Can you live in

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<v Speaker 2>a crime free society that doesn't have a police state?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like we talked last night about education and

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<v Speaker 2>mental health, and I'll get to that in a second,

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<v Speaker 2>about some of your incredible responses to that, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to remain vigilant that the goal of policing, the goal

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who pass the laws, and theoretically the

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<v Speaker 2>goal of the people who end up handing out the punishments,

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<v Speaker 2>is not stable. Is not it'll happen, fingers cross It's

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<v Speaker 2>not your eleven year old daughter, But it's zero. When

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers come out, so very few politicians comment about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so very few people follow up as to why

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers are the way they are. Again, certain categories

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<v Speaker 2>of crime get, you know, their own little day and

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<v Speaker 2>their own little ribbon. But if you are somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>is the victim of that general assault number, which again

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<v Speaker 2>was as I say, thirty four thousand people one state

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<v Speaker 2>one year, those.

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<v Speaker 1>Are people whose lives are changed forever.

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<v Speaker 2>So as always we remain very pro police on this

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<v Speaker 2>show that they have to deal with all of this

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<v Speaker 2>each and every day. But I wanted to take the

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<v Speaker 2>chance it started the show to say, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>one of the people who has been a victim of

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<v Speaker 2>crime in this state, in these stats, we see you

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<v Speaker 2>as people not as slightly up, slightly down, or stable.

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<v Speaker 1>Sat as.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that we remain getting as much information as

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<v Speaker 2>possible about that little girl and doesn't just become a

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<v Speaker 2>day where it comes and it goes, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just what happens. It's not acceptable, it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sign of a society in a world of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, strength and love to everyone who's having to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with or any of those things in your recent

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<v Speaker 2>or way back when history. Thank you so much to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who reached out in the past twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've got as many emails in a

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<v Speaker 2>day as we have in the past day. Now, the

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<v Speaker 2>way to send an email to us is polotsgnews dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That are you, But there are lots of other ways,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people remember my personal email address I used

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<v Speaker 2>to give out on the air before we had polots

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<v Speaker 2>gonews dot com that are you and I got flooded

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<v Speaker 2>lots of people, lots of messages, lots of Facebook, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of it was in and around the difficulties are

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<v Speaker 2>in and around mental health and how this country needs

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<v Speaker 2>to put front and center it as big a priority

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<v Speaker 2>as trying to cure cancer. The child psychologists clear Row

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<v Speaker 2>was very supportive of what we had to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>equally said it's not just about money. Well said, well done.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have a chat to her in the next few

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<v Speaker 2>days about it. And lots of people told us their

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<v Speaker 2>version of the story about how the system sometimes worked

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly didn't work, or they didn't interact with it,

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<v Speaker 2>or there even some people who reached out to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me that I was the first person that they were

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<v Speaker 2>telling about a certain story.

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<v Speaker 1>To all of you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not lost on me how much strength that takes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has not lost on me the honor in

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<v Speaker 2>which it was that you put your trust in me

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<v Speaker 2>to have that information. I look forward to replying to

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<v Speaker 2>all of those messages over the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>As anyone knows, even my family, I'm not the world's

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<v Speaker 2>best at returning phone calls or text messages, let alone emails.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will to all those people that told beautiful stories.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a couple of other extensions to the story

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<v Speaker 2>that I wanted to bring you tonight, which was the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living. The obsession of this program, because it

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<v Speaker 2>is the focus of the nation, does have an effect

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<v Speaker 2>on the amount of people who just don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>cash to go and seek some of the support that

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<v Speaker 2>may well help them deal with whatever is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Psychologists say that patients are unable to access their help

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<v Speaker 2>because of rising costs and shortening wait lists are being

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<v Speaker 2>triggered because people are simply unable to afford psychological care.

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<v Speaker 2>In April, a survey by the Australian Psychological Association found

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<v Speaker 2>that more than forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Percent of psychologists reported costs.

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<v Speaker 2>As the main barrier for patient access. The President said

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<v Speaker 2>that psychologists were reporting they're shortening waiting lists were a

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<v Speaker 2>result of patients simply not accessing their services. Patients currently

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<v Speaker 2>face putting food on the table and paying their rent

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<v Speaker 2>rather than dealing with mental health. And there were a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of people who seemed to doubt what I was

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<v Speaker 2>saying about the government and the access to the telehealth system. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>generally speaking this is mostly used for access to your GP,

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<v Speaker 2>but for people when it comes to mental health, that

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<v Speaker 2>is the first step sometimes on being able to work

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<v Speaker 2>out which way to go, and it's a really valuable

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<v Speaker 2>and important step. Now, at the height of COVID, when

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<v Speaker 2>people physically couldn't go to the doctor because they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to leave the house, you know all of that nonsense. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>ten free telehealth visits were available to all Australians. Then

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<v Speaker 2>this government came to power and of course one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first things they did to announce that this was

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<v Speaker 2>going to start to wrap up. At the time, there

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<v Speaker 2>were plenty of things where vulnerable Australians were filled with

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<v Speaker 2>dread over the potential telehealth cuts. The government decision to

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<v Speaker 2>limit telehealth services will make vulnerable Australians suffer more, said

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<v Speaker 2>the GPS. Now this was put back ever so slightly

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<v Speaker 2>for some people in regional areas, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>automatic access it is no longer the case. This must

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<v Speaker 2>be changed. Tomorrow there'll be a meeting of all of

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<v Speaker 2>the mental health ministers around the country. I hope they

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<v Speaker 2>come up with the opportunity of finding ways for more

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<v Speaker 2>people to get free access to the very least their

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<v Speaker 2>GP or other services, to be able to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you can start a journey, a journey that I

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<v Speaker 2>hope is as fast as possible. I hope it involves

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<v Speaker 2>as little medication as possible. But the reality is for

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<v Speaker 2>some people it will be long and it will involve medication.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want people to be able to be taken

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<v Speaker 2>care of. And in the same way, we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to ignore the lump on the back of your neck.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to ignore the lump that may well

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<v Speaker 2>be in here because of what's going on up here.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll all find out what happens in a meeting, But

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<v Speaker 2>when these things happen on Friday and normally go for

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<v Speaker 2>two hours, the agreement has probably already been made. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course I've done my best to try to bend

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<v Speaker 2>arms in the past loudly on television, but I will

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<v Speaker 2>try to continue to do so quietly behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an important thing that needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm going to link this back to the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living stuff that I've talked about over the

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<v Speaker 2>past or for years, because you see, when a government

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<v Speaker 2>turns around and takes fifteen hundred dollars automatic tax returns

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<v Speaker 2>off people like this government did in their first budget

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two. It meant that there was fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars automatically taken away from families that may well

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<v Speaker 2>have been able to be spent on reaching out for

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<v Speaker 2>the correct services. It was, of course, the load of

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<v Speaker 2>middle income tax bracket as it was called back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Both sides of politics were committed to it. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>if the Liberals had been returned, you know, I would

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<v Speaker 2>have been not bending arms, but I would have been

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that this would not have happened. But Labor

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<v Speaker 2>they don't care what we think. Well, they'll find out

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<v Speaker 2>what the reality of that and ignoring what we've been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about will be at the upcoming election. But even

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Institute noticed ten million people get screwed over here.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't have fifteen hundred dollars to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go and seek out services, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>some people are used with that fifteen hundred dollars. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why the smartasses in Canberra who thought, let's just take

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<v Speaker 2>the three and a big billion dollars that would automatically

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<v Speaker 2>be the fifteen hundred dollar thing. We'll move it over

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<v Speaker 2>to student dead because it doesn't really cost the budget,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's more politically advantageous over here. Ten median people

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<v Speaker 2>should still be getting access to that money as a

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<v Speaker 2>way of being able to keep themselves Afloat meantime, another

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<v Speaker 2>huge amount of reaction from people about our education system.

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<v Speaker 2>So many teachers who understood the nuance of what I

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<v Speaker 2>was saying. That I understand the well meaning and well

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<v Speaker 2>talented and well trained and the honest teachers that would

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<v Speaker 2>watch a program like this or certainly their family members

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<v Speaker 2>who are proud of the teachers in their life. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it didn't bash teachers last night about this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>The Naplan results were horrific. They remain horrific. They remain

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<v Speaker 2>something that is deeply emotionally difficult for anyone who wants

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<v Speaker 2>the future of the country to be good. That won

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<v Speaker 2>in three kids are not meeting basic literacy or numeracy expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, there's a consequence to this Naplan. Literacy and

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<v Speaker 2>numeracy failure is a ticking time bomb. Say employers organizations

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<v Speaker 2>in US Willicks who works for one of them, will

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<v Speaker 2>represents bosses around the country says the latest Lapland tests

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<v Speaker 2>are a bad sign for our country and paint ablik

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<v Speaker 2>picture for a more productive and competitive future. The sheet

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<v Speaker 2>number of Australians falling behind basic and necessary foundation skills

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<v Speaker 2>is simply unacceptable. We must get the basics right to

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<v Speaker 2>develop the skills that we need for tomorrow's workforce. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the consequence too. It's not just ay you didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>well at school, see you later. There's a job that

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<v Speaker 2>has to happen on the other side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we want to make sure that people are able

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<v Speaker 2>to determine their own future with their own money, not

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<v Speaker 2>to be determined and tied into a welfare system. The

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<v Speaker 2>funding issue must be resolved and the political blame game

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<v Speaker 2>has to stop. We have well passed the time that

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<v Speaker 2>this is to be settled. Absolutely correct. Now you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else talk about this tonight, and largely I would

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<v Speaker 2>agree with many of what you have already heard over

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<v Speaker 2>the past twenty four hours. But as you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>way things were put yesterday, I had my issues with

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<v Speaker 2>what was being said by the Opposition leader when it

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<v Speaker 2>came to people coming from a war zone. As I

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<v Speaker 2>said at the time, it will double down Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the concept of all Palestinians automatically hamas is as ludicrous

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<v Speaker 2>as all Chinese are part of the CCP or so

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<v Speaker 2>one and so one and someone. However, today was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>To try to pretend that the position of the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the opposition was racist is absolute garbage. Now, his view,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, is that it's all about national security,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about race.

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<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>While I stand by the criticism of the way things

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<v Speaker 2>were said yesterday, and I know some of you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like that I said it, but I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>flip day in, day out, I do appreciate what was

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<v Speaker 2>said today, and I do appreciate how he presented himself

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<v Speaker 2>today and how this issue got a little more detail

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<v Speaker 2>behind it. As you know, the media, of course, are

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<v Speaker 2>desperate and have been desperate since day one, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>since the Voice campaign, as I told you, as I've

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<v Speaker 2>shown you, and I've shown you the receipts all the

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<v Speaker 2>way through, and when inevitably this conversation is cut out

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<v Speaker 2>of context and is put into the giant montage of

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News Primetime crazy Talk in and around all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>of course they'll miss all the other stuff I said last.

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<v Speaker 1>Night or tonight. But you get the point. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll we're up against.

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<v Speaker 2>They have been waiting for the moment to try to

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<v Speaker 2>cast Peter Dutton is too extreme, too much the Aussie Trump.

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.119
<v Speaker 2>They've tried it on multiple fronts, multiple times and they thought, Aha,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got this today.

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<v Speaker 4>It's comments have drawn more accusations of racism, prompting a

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<v Speaker 4>warning from one Independent whose fled war that it could

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<v Speaker 4>inside fear and hatred in the community.

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<v Speaker 7>The Opposition leader's comments leading to angry scenes in Parliament

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<v Speaker 7>and more claims of racism.

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Duttan's calls for a ban on Palestinian refugees has

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<v Speaker 4>brought the conflict in Gaza back to the floor of Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know where he was coming from and it

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<v Speaker 2>definitely was not from the position of race. It was

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<v Speaker 2>about vetting a national security. For it to be deliberately

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<v Speaker 2>twisted as it was by, among others, Zalie Stegel, who

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<v Speaker 2>sort of was doing the racism version of the Manique

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<v Speaker 2>Ryn put your mask on today in parliament.

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<v Speaker 4>These are families that you are seeking to paint that

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<v Speaker 4>somehow they are all terrorists and.

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<v Speaker 7>We hurt you in silence you can hear me in silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop being later of the opposition.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course she represents a diverse but not as diverse

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<v Speaker 2>as other parts of the country. Part of the country

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<v Speaker 2>in the northern beaches of Sydney, I would be fascinated

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<v Speaker 2>to know whether there is about to be a great

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<v Speaker 2>opening of the arms so people can live on the

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<v Speaker 2>tennis courts of Mossman. We'll all, of course wait and

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<v Speaker 2>see till then. I'm not going to fall for the

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<v Speaker 2>guard whiche. We know what he was talking about. I

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<v Speaker 2>called out what I thought was too much yesterday, but

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<v Speaker 2>I am not going to double down on this crap today.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll debate it among others with Michael Kroger in a

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<v Speaker 2>moment or two time. Unemployment went up today, not a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing when it comes to our economy. Now, ironically

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.399
<v Speaker 2>it went up despite the fact that yes, more jobs

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<v Speaker 2>were created in the past month. But this all feeds

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<v Speaker 2>into the overly complicated mix of what will happen when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the Reserve Bank, and as millions of

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Australians are holding on frightened about what may will happen politically,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that certainly a thirteenth rate rise. Why it's

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<v Speaker 2>the tenth, not the twelfth, Not the tenth, not the eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>not the ninth or the eighth rate rise that apparently

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<v Speaker 2>will cause trouble for the UB and easy government. Well okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've got to say some of the reporting today

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<v Speaker 2>was interesting. Talk about a sitting on the fence headline

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<v Speaker 2>from AAP Mixed jobs data gives RBA more food for thought,

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<v Speaker 2>thankscoup In, what do you think is going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>But of course there was another bit of data too,

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<v Speaker 2>which you may well not have heard about today, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is going to heavily effect the Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 2>his treasure is capacity to deliver yet another budget surplus,

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<v Speaker 2>another lucky budget surplus, because it's not by design. Spending

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 2>has gone up, Revenue has of course been what has

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<v Speaker 2>been able to hide the structural deficits that the Treasury

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<v Speaker 2>itself has promises promised in the Intergenerational Report for the

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<v Speaker 2>next forty years, meaning the way the thing is put together,

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<v Speaker 2>we spend more than we have coming in. Currently there's

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<v Speaker 2>a surplus because they have been kissed on the proverbial

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<v Speaker 2>by the amount of money we are making from the

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<v Speaker 2>mining sector among others. Well, today the beginning of a

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<v Speaker 2>potential wobble in this area. There's some problems in the

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese economy right now. Again, I'm not going to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>to play an economist on television, but I am paying

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the news that tells us that the Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>economy is starting to have some real troubles.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, if that's the case, and they don't buy

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<v Speaker 2>what we make here, or they don't buy what the

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<v Speaker 2>world makes, well guess what starts to happen The record prices,

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<v Speaker 2>which in part are based off what China needs to

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<v Speaker 2>buy or China chooses to buy, or what we choose

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<v Speaker 2>to sell them at a crazy price.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the point. The tax take starts to fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Now iron ore and the iron ore price is always

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<v Speaker 2>undervalued by the Treasury, so that when it over delivers,

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<v Speaker 2>you have surprised revenue when you end up with the surpluses,

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<v Speaker 2>which by the way, include the future fund. But today

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<v Speaker 2>an insight unemployment is going up not great. The Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank right on the line about whether it raised interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates for the thirteenth time, and potentially the revenue coming

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<v Speaker 2>into the federal government way will be about to crack

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<v Speaker 2>wh because of what.

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<v Speaker 1>Is happening in China.

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<v Speaker 2>But I thought we'd learned the lesson, hadn't we about

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<v Speaker 2>being overly dependent on China when it comes to our economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, that was just silly talk during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't it. Now speaking of China and its government, the

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<v Speaker 2>CCP again, you know you shouldn't have to point this out.

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<v Speaker 1>It is obvious in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>But we know people like to pretend they tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what you think when you start to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I talk about China, I talk about its government,

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<v Speaker 2>the CCP, and we know the position of this government

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:37.120
<v Speaker 2>is to suck up to the CCP. Why because there

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 2>are votes in them Nah Hills. And if the relationship

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 2>between China and Australia is on level and China isn't

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<v Speaker 2>finding ways to punish us economically to serve up an

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<v Speaker 2>example to the rest of the world, then maybe maybe

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>maybe the votes come your way. We certainly know that

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 2>that was the case at the last federal election. But

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:00.719
<v Speaker 2>fascinating Exclusive and World under the at news dot com,

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you who are able to work this one out? That

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 2>China the CCP, not the Chinese people, not the Chinese

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>people here in Australia, but China the CCP is trying

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>to control debate in Australia, says an intelligence analyst. Now

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 2>this is five thousand AI run accounts on social media

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 2>sites like x. It's all part of an information war.

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.640
<v Speaker 2>As news dot com AU says that China is waging

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 2>against Australia. The cybersecurity firm, which is called cyber x

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.720
<v Speaker 2>said it also picked up that some Australian focused activity

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 2>was happening on these social media sites.

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<v Speaker 1>What was happening?

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>The network is clearly trying to throw divisive content about

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>particularly nuclear energy. What side of that debate fairly obvious.

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 2>If it is to help the government that sucks up

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to them as opposed to the opposition who doesn't the

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>embattled CFMU and the government's immigration policies, As the analyst

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>told News dot com that are you today. They use

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<v Speaker 2>a look at private companies. The way they do that

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 2>is so that the CCP can say it's not us.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course there is really no such thing as

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 2>a private company in China. Why because just like the

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Wagners technically will kill us for hire, we all know

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 2>they were really under Russian control. That's how the CCP

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 2>uses these things. We're basically these network of allegedly private

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 2>companies fiddling around in things like Australian debate is clearly

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.360
<v Speaker 2>being done on the behalf of the government. It goes

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>beyond meddling. The end goal is not only to quote

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 2>unquote control the narrative, but to control the infrastructure through

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the means of political discourse. China's goal is to subjugate

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Australia cognitively, to control the narrative and control the way

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Australians think. Hence why I am not on and I

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 2>strongly recommend that you are not on or your kids

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>are not on. As fun as the dancing videos might

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<v Speaker 2>be the Chinese surveillance app TikTok, it is why we

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>remain critical of a government that would prefer to slide

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 2>up to these people as opposed to stand up to

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.919
<v Speaker 2>them and when they injure members of the Australian Defense Force.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of quick ones before we get to our

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>debate tonight, and I'm ken you know who do you

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 2>think is the winner and loser of the week? Send

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>me the email Paultzky News dot com dot Au or

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>jump onto the socials. Rex Airlines if you have a

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>ticket with Rex Airlines to fly a regional flight, it

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>is now guaranteed by the government. So worst case scenario

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>if the airline disappeared, and at this stage there is

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 2>no sign of that happening right now, you would be

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>able to get your money back. Why because the federal

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>government is now backing them in. The AFL of course,

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 2>has its relationships with TV and radio networks to make

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>sure that well it can spread how many people see

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the game and obviously make the majority of money for

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 2>the game from those TV and radio arrangements. A sharp

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>eyed person worked out a couple of weeks ago that

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>inside some of these details of the contracts with those

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>companies was a demand from the AFL for greater diversity

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 2>in the people who cover the game. We're talking about

0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>everyone from the panel shows all the way through to

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the commentary box.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, today, the CEO of.

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<v Speaker 2>The AFL did an interview on one of the stations

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that has the financial arrangement with the AFL, that being

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>three aw and it didn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 8>Giving fewer middle aged white men like Brian Taylor and

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 8>James Brayshaw and more, I don't know, more indigenous commentators

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 8>more female commentators, more gay commentators.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you actually I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think it's less of anything. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>more of but it will be not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 5>I just picked the best commentator.

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think especially on radio, no one

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>cares what they look like or what their background is.

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 8>They just want to know that they're the most interesting

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 8>and well informed football people around.

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 2>But I think you get that time when you have

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 2>a diversity of thought and a diversity of background.

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>But in the document is still in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>This may be an unpopular opinion, and I apologize if

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>it does offend, but I like the scooters in Melbourne.

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Whenever I am luck enough to travel around the country.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>One of the best ways to get around cities if

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you are a tourist or a visitor, are those little scooters. Now, yes,

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.959
<v Speaker 2>some people carry on like pork chops. As best as possible.

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 2>You try to ride them in the bike lanes. You

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be trying to scare people, and you should always

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>be wearing a helmet all the rest of it. Right,

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>They've got them in Brisbane, great way of getting around.

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>You can go from the hotel to the movies, the shops.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>It's really cool, right, rather than jumping into the uber

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>or the taxi or walking and in Melbourne, I particularly

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>really like them. But as you know, decision has been

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>made by our mates, the Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Nicholas

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Reese and his counselors do banned to get rid of

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>them from the CBD. They're not banned from Victoria. If

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>another council wants to take them up, they should.

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some places where you might be surprised where

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>these scooters are. They've got them in Bunderberg and they're awesome.

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Again.

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they be unpopular view but I like them. I'll

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>get and find out what Michae Kroger thinks. I think

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 2>you be more than happy that they don't exist anymore. Now,

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>good day for Donald Trump. Yes, overall the averages are

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>still slightly behind for him, but good day for him.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Why brand new pole? It's a Fox newspole now the

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>most recent of the Fox News poles. Before this actually

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>showed Harris in front. It now shows Trump in front.

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Nationally now again the national numbers fifty to forty nine.

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>A Republican needs to be sorry. A Democrat needs to

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 2>be at least two to four points up for them

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>to be able not just to have big wins in

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>New York and California, but also start to win some

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of the swing states. Once you throw in everyone else

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>is on the ballot, it becomes forty five forty five,

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>so raise a thin but still Harris was up, so

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 2>we may well have hit a bit.

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Of a peek.

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>But the really good news for Donald Trump today was

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>the issues polling, which much of the narrative media have

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>not gone on because they're just on the She's doing

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>better than Biden did, but we're basically back to a

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>team red team blue race. And after all of that's

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 2>concern and change, the number one issue remains the economy

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight percent. Immigration and abortion are next. And I've

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>told you before, if it's about the economy and immigration,

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 2>trump wins. If it's about abortion, then Harris is going

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.479
<v Speaker 2>to win. But a whole bunch of other things in

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>here again start to work Trump's way. In fact, once

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you start to break these things down, look at the

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>lead that he has. It's the best part of twenty

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>points on the border, it's the best part of fourteen

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>points on immigration. On foreign policy, it's seven points.

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how Kamala Harris has been able to

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>rebuild herself in terms of management of the economy, but

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>he is up and clearly up there as well as

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 2>on crime and on guns. You start to get really

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>into fringe issues when you're talking about things like climate

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>change and Supreme Court nominations. But again, the significant issues

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of access to healthcare and access to abortion is where

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris is currently leading. But Trump, after all of

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the nonsense, the issues.

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Are still in his favor.

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 2>If he can run on the issues, then he is

0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a good chance of getting as close as possible to

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the win. But who knows will be in the United

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>States when it all takes place, and talk about it

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>plenty of times between now and then. But again, another

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>good day for Donald Trump because Kamala Harris is expected

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>in the next couple of days to announce a whole

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>series of motherhood statements about the economy. She will, of course,

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>pretend she has nothing to do with the economy that

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 2>people hate under Joe Biden, despite the fact that she

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>of course was the one who cast the tie vote

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>in the Senate to spend trillions of dollars to whack

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>up inflation, no matter what the bill.

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Was actually called. So she can't pretend this didn't.

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Happen on this vote, the years of fifty, the nays

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 3>of fifty, the Senate being equally divided, the vice president

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 3>votes in the affirmative, and the bill as a mandate

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 3>is passed.

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>That's a deep think. It's a deep fect. She wasn't involved.

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>She's qualified to be president because she was a vice

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>president when she didn't do anything.

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Is the vice president she did twice trillions of dollars

0:32:58.600 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>have made everything worse.

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>But now I'm going to go.

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>After the price gouging because it's the evil billionaires, nothing

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>to do with the government.

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Please.

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>But again, good for Trump today, Why because again he

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>started to show a little bit more discipline. Now those

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>of us who would like to see him win because

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>we want to stop Harris and all of the crazy

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>that's going to come with all of that. Right, Well,

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>he gave a rally today and not really a rally

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>and economic speech in North Carolina, one of the states

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 2>that he kind of was taken for granted because the

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>poles were so good. But he needs to double check

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that it is still going to be in place. So

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>he went there and he kind of acted like an

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 2>old school politician. Why because behind him in Allder, the

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 2>speeches today were giant signs about what he was planning

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>to do. This would be great because every time he

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>says something else, at the very least this message will

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>end up on the television. And then he made one

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 2>heck of a promise that I don't know how he

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>can deliver it. In fact, I do know how he

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>can deliver it, which is basically drill, baby, drill. But

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>this promise, this promise is just about as big as

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>no tax on tips. Let's watch Kamala try to pretend

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 2>this can be done, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 9>Save announce today that under my leadership, the United States

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 9>will commit to the ambitious goal of slashing energy and

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 9>electricity praiss by half, at least half. We intend to

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 9>slash praices by half within twelve months, at a maximum

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 9>eighteen months.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>He's more likely to do that than Albo, because of

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 2>course Albo wants to spend, of course, a trillion dollars

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 2>of the two seventy five and all the rest of it.

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 2>He's able to make that promise because you just double

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>down on the stuff that's worked for generations, and the

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Paris Accord, which means China can do whatever it wants

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>till twenty thirty.

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Rip it up.

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating. He's back in the game winning, not yet morenessing

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 2>so much to get too all shut up because they've

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>got plenty to say. The wonderful Michael Kroger is here,

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:57.439
<v Speaker 2>always there to help.

0:34:58.120 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Just quickly the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty second view on scooters in Melbourne. I say save him,

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>You say, dumpham, what do you reckon?

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't care less?

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Really?

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, there's just a lot of them down there,

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>and the wonderful Frailer Leitch from the Center of Independent Studies.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to the main game here.

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>You've seen some of the reaction and the gallery assumption

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 2>is there's the political consequence becomes quite terrible for Peter

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Dutton because now he sort of becomes the big uga

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>booger of Australian politics that they were desperately trying to

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>make him. I wouldn't think that's actually going to be

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>the political response here. But what did you think of

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>day two of this?

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Michael?

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 2>To me, it felt like it was said in a

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 2>more nuanced fashion than it was yesterday.

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 7>Well, look, Peter Dutton is winning on this issue and

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 7>I'll explain to you why, which will become more public

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 7>over the next week or two as to why Dutton

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 7>is winning on this issue. And I'm happy to be corrected,

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 7>and Tony Burke's office hopefully will put out some statistics

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 7>to correct me, and all Australia will benefit from having

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 7>the exact statistics. And I credit Cameron Milner for some

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.959
<v Speaker 7>of these stats. There are one hundred and ninety three

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 7>members of the United Nations. I can only find four

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 7>countries that are taking refugees from Gaza. Four France have

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 7>taken them. France have taken two hundred and sixty but

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.320
<v Speaker 7>you can only apply from the visa if you're in

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 7>Ramala or in Jerusalem, So they've taken none from Gaza. Right,

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 7>those countries which haven't taken and won't take any refugees,

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 7>those racist countries, according to Zali Stegl, include these countries

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 7>have taken zero refugees from Gaza, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq,

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:49.760
<v Speaker 7>Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Yemen, Oman, the UAE, Russia, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kwait,

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 7>North Korea, Turkey, Germany, France, etc. There's only four who

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 7>appear to have taken refugees. They are the United Kingdom

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 7>in fourth place. They've taken one one. The United States

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 7>have taken sixteen, although last year they took fifty six.

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 7>Canada have taken forty one. So one hundred and ninety

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 7>two members of the United Nations out of one hundred

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 7>and ninety three have taken the title of fifty eight

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 7>refugees from Gaza. Fifty eight, I hope, and I'm sure

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 7>this is wrong, But on the research that I've done

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 7>and others have done, fifty eight Australia two thousand and

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 7>nine and twenty two. What the is going on here?

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 7>What does Tony Burke and Albanezi know that those racists

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 7>leaders of other countries that racist? In Egypt, President el Sisi,

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.439
<v Speaker 7>What does President Elcci, that racist know that Tony Burke

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 7>doesn't know, the racist President Kamenie in Iran who won't

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.720
<v Speaker 7>take any refugees, that racist president and Erduan in Turkey

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 7>who's taking no refugees, and all of us, you know,

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 7>for goodness sake, poor our president Kim John Kim Jong Un,

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 7>the Orange man's friend from hes a racist too from

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 7>North Korea. What is it that Albernizi and Burke know

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 7>that no one else in the world seems to know.

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 7>Why doesn't any enterprising journalist David Crowe stop writing this

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 7>rubbish about Dutton. Go round to the Egyptian embassy, my friend,

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 7>and ask the ambassador why Egypt, which is one meter

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 7>from Israel. You walk straight from Rafa into Egypt, it's

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 7>one meter away. Ask President Alcese's representative in Australia, why

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 7>if you've taken not a single refugee? Go and ask

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 7>the ambassador from Jordan. You know, to gate from Gaza

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 7>to Jerusalem, it's about eighty kilometers right to one hour drive.

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I did it in January.

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:57.280
<v Speaker 7>And then to get to a man in the capital

0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 7>of Jordan's two hour drive. It's about one hundred klometers.

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.479
<v Speaker 7>But you're gonna go through a check board. It's three

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 7>hours to go from Gaza to Jordan. No refugees, none,

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 7>none of those our countries. What do you know, Albo

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 7>that these other one hundred and ninety two countries do

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:16.399
<v Speaker 7>not know? My friend, this is a national disgrace. Peter

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.760
<v Speaker 7>Dutton is one hundred percent correct. It's not about racism, Zale.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>You fool.

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:25.760
<v Speaker 7>This is about national security and all credit to Dutton

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 7>and James Patterson. And let me tell you, the working

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.280
<v Speaker 7>middle class in this country are right on Dutton's side.

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Frey, thank you for the infirm I don't appreciate it. Again.

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>The political calculation here again is that the assumption was, oh,

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Dunton has gone too far yesterday.

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Wezali went too far today.

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 2>So we're sort of straight back into this whiplash where

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 2>once you start to why he said what he has said,

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.799
<v Speaker 2>that information starts to back it up and instinctively we

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.760
<v Speaker 2>know Australians are absolute about their border.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's exactly right. You're not racist. If you care

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.359
<v Speaker 6>about national security, you're not racist. If you don't want

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 6>Harmas supporters coming into the country. The fact that you

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 6>can offer rhetorical support for her Maas and that's not

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.399
<v Speaker 6>an issue for ASIO when they're approving of visa, that

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 6>is absolutely disgraceful. And I'm on campus at Sydney UNI

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.800
<v Speaker 6>last week we had a pro Hamas motion get moved.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 6>It was voted eight hundred to eight. Insane stuff. We're

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 6>already young people in this country are already overwhelmingly at

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 6>our universities pro Hamas. Imagine if we have bad actors

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 6>coming in because we can't stand up for our national security,

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 6>this is only going to inflame the declining social cohesions.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>And look and again all I observed last night and

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I stand by tonight, which is what I'm very sure

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>you would all agree with as well, the idea that

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 2>everyone in Palestine is Hamas or its interrelated. I'm sorry,

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not there. I can't go there. I want dog

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 2>whistle in that direction. However, I am absolutely okay with

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.240
<v Speaker 2>it being a process for you to come to the country.

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>If you go through a proper process, a proper security check,

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>well then yes we have a lifeboat.

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 1>It has so many people.

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 2>But if it is disproportioned to the rest of the world,

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 2>as Michael has been pointing out, well be pretty obvious

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>how Australians.

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Will react when they learn more of that.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Now, I want to talk about a couple of other

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 2>quick ones here, including there's a bunch of Coalition MPs

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that are started to say that members of the CFMAU

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 2>should be banned from any polling place in Australia. They

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be able to, for want of a better term,

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 2>be the heavies for traditionally the Labor Party. But Michael,

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I think the four hs here is it's more likely

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to end up being the heavies for

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the Greens because it seems like that's where they're going

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 2>to end up and sort of pushing in that far

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 2>left being their money and their muscle will be more

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>than welcome. There's other people that there's other political people

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 2>that will be reaching out for it. I would love

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to see the muscle nowhere near the polling boot.

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:00.919
<v Speaker 1>But what do you think.

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 7>Well, I've seen many occasions over the years where the

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 7>CFMU have been very intimidatory on polling bers. But I

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 7>don't think you can ban people from attending poly booths

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 7>unless they're guilty of some offense against the candidate. They're

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 7>a threat to the physical safety of a candidate or others.

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 7>It breaches the freedom of association rules in this country.

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 7>So as much as I agree with the sentiment, I

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 7>don't think it can happen unless there are restraining orders

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 7>by candidates or electoral officials against certain CFMU officials. It's

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 7>not going to happen. Although the bigger issue is why

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 7>the Labor Party won't pay back the donation. I mean

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 7>they should pay back this money to the CFMU. I mean,

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 7>forget about some fat old Blake's having too many four

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 7>and twenties standing on a polling booth. What about the millions?

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 7>What about the millions they received from the CFMU won't

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 7>pay back? Who was it? Was it Chris, who's otherwise

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:02.919
<v Speaker 7>done a good joe up there, said Oh, we've spent

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 7>all the money, which is what we can't pay it back.

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 7>We'll go and get a loan mate, like everybody else,

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 7>go and get a loan done and repay the money.

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get to a winner and loser. Freyer,

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:12.720
<v Speaker 1>who is your winter or loser this week?

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 6>Winner this week? It's hard to say. I actually don't know.

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 6>It's been a pretty depressing week all round for loser

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 6>of probably the one hundred and fifty New South Wales

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:25.880
<v Speaker 6>Council candidates.

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and you know, well anyway you can't get

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>your own house in order.

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what happens, Michael, you'll winner, loser.

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 7>Two losers. President Shaffik of Columbia University, who's finally resigned

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 7>allowing campus any Semitism in America a fantastic, fantastic victory,

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 7>and Elbows had another shocker winn of the week. Well,

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, I'm partisan, but I think Dutton is winning

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 7>more votes amongst middle Australia than I've seen any opposition

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 7>leader for a long long time. So Peter Dutton is

0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 7>the winner of the week.

0:43:57.920 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Good stuff.

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Guys, have a wonderful weekend. Thank you very much much.

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 2>We'll see you again next week or straight after the break.

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 2>The people of the coal industry have had enough, have

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>been pushed around, demonized, all the rest of it. They

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 2>start their fight back next Thank you so much for

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.919
<v Speaker 2>watching the coal industry in Australia use something that pays

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 2>a lot of tax employees a lot of people, but

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 2>obviously creates an awful lot of controversy.

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Why because the extreme left would like it gone. They

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:26.280
<v Speaker 1>aren't going anywhere.

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 2>In fact, they've got a new group to advocate on

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 2>their behalf and a new add to help change hearts

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 2>and minds.

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Australians rely on coal every day.

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 7>They rely on coal to generate power to keep the

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 7>lights on, and to make steel to build homes, schools,

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 7>hospitals and bridges, and to.

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 9>Keep that a central call coming.

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 6>Australia relies on.

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Us, those of us at the coal phase and those

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 3>of us that support them.

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 5>Everyone in our community, whether you were high verse or not.

0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 7>When Australians rely on coal, they rely on us co communities.

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Nick Jaws represents a new organization called Coal Australia. Is

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it's only joins us now, what is Coal Australia, mate.

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.399
<v Speaker 8>Ok Paul Cole Australia is a grassroots movement. It's really

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:21.280
<v Speaker 8>representing our workers, our communities. We've got forty thousand plus

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 8>direct workers in the coal industry in Australia, another court

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:31.320
<v Speaker 8>three hundred thousand plus additional knock on jobs. The colonistry

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 8>touches an awful lot of people. It's our second biggest

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 8>export industry. It's the biggest export industry in Queensland. It's

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 8>putting one hundred billion dollars into the economy in the

0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 8>community every year. It's something we should rightly be proud of.

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 8>So what we're aiming to do is just restore that

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 8>pride in the coal industry and get that message out there.

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Niko talking about the few I did it hosted

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>an event for the Qureia mark or to the future

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 2>of the resources sector in Queensland and literally sort of

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 2>after i'd sort of heard sort of a couple of

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>people be a little bit cheapy shows, come on, you know,

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.239
<v Speaker 2>chest out, you know, be proud of what you do

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.359
<v Speaker 2>because of what you've put into the economy via as

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>you say, employment and taxation. So for this moment to

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 2>be here is I'm happy to see. But also, what

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>don't people get about coal? For want of a better term,

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>we all understand how the left paints it, but what

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>don't people get about it that you'd.

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Like them to know?

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, as you will, well remember Paul I was on

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 8>that panel on the Future Resources Day, which was a

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 8>fabulous celebration. Look, I think the coal industry has just

0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 8>been kind of kicked to the curb a little bit.

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.760
<v Speaker 8>We haven't been in the debate. You know. The Australian

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 8>Coal Association was effectively subsumed in the Minerals Council over

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.200
<v Speaker 8>ten years ago now and sort of effectively snuffed out,

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 8>So we haven't had a voice in the debate. You know,

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 8>coal industry, as I say, employees tens of thousands of

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 8>people directly on hundreds of thousands indirectly, it builds communities,

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 8>and it builds communities that we can be proud of

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 8>people in the industry I speak to and we've done

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 8>some polling and this is this is consistent. They are

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.800
<v Speaker 8>proud of the industry. They just haven't had permission to

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 8>feel that pride and to speak about it. So you know,

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 8>cole also builds the future. We literally our coal creates

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.280
<v Speaker 8>the steel that's building our buildings and our bridges and infrastructure,

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 8>without which you know we wouldn't we wouldn't be here today.

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 8>So you know, it is about restoring that pride, unleashing

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 8>that pride, telling our story. As I say, our workers

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 8>should rightfully be proud of their position in this critical

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:45.319
<v Speaker 8>industry for Australia.

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 1>So we know that the rough costs cso RO twenty eighteen.

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was.

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 2>They say it's now half the amount, But it's about

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>a trialling dollars to move from the system that has

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 2>been around for a while cold a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously to the new one where they claim coal

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<v Speaker 2>is no part of it. We see that has to

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<v Speaker 2>be paid for somewhere and the cost of transition is

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<v Speaker 2>what we are all living through right now Trump's out

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<v Speaker 2>there saying that he can have their power bills. Clearly

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to have that as part of the mix

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<v Speaker 2>in the US. How important is it to the mix

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<v Speaker 2>here in terms of prices.

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<v Speaker 8>Look, it's critical, Paul. I mean, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 8>hark back only less than ten years ago, electricity prices

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<v Speaker 8>wholesale prices were under fifty dollars a mega what hour

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<v Speaker 8>cold still pumping out of Victoria cheaper than that. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>we've now got to around one hundred and fifty with

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<v Speaker 8>the current system. This quarter has gone up again, so

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<v Speaker 8>we've doubled the triple wholesale electricity prices on the back

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<v Speaker 8>of real energy targets and also turning her back on

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<v Speaker 8>the cheapest, lowest cost, most reliable form of energy we've got.

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<v Speaker 8>So you know, it's a critical part of the mix.

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<v Speaker 8>It will remain a part of the mix. Energy demand

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<v Speaker 8>is incre and you know, as you may well know, globally,

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<v Speaker 8>eighty two percent of energy, total energy, not just electricity,

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<v Speaker 8>is provided by Colon and gow I've got to Joel

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<v Speaker 8>being the biggest part of that. In Australia it's ninety

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<v Speaker 8>one percent. So you know it ain't going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Nick, appreciate it. Sorry to go, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of the way for the late debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, mate, appreciate it. All the best with the efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, have a great weekend. I won't be here

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday Leo's birthday, so go Yankees.

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<v Speaker 1>See you Monday.