WEBVTT - My egg retrieval update & seeing a 'light healer' 

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Adele and welcome to Pretty Sure, the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into the show. Hey guys, welcome to Pretty Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, welcome to another episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe let's start there.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another week of Pretty Sure. Multiple things we've

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<v Speaker 1>spoken about before we actually like started recording. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those being the fact that I've become way too comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio. The fact that I just like took

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<v Speaker 1>my shoes off and like walked around with my dogs

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<v Speaker 1>out is, I think I just need to check myself

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<v Speaker 1>for a second there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think own the space.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I love, it's like a second home to

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<v Speaker 1>us now. I mean, we're 17 episodes in.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting very comfortable here. Too comfortable?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe. And we were just saying, not only

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<v Speaker 1>are we like extremely comfortable, but like part of this

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<v Speaker 1>space is like me just openly talking about how my

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<v Speaker 1>nose is leaking because of hay fever. And you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a Melbournian.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were just saying like you think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that people grow out of in Melbourne, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>actually grown into hay fever. I never had hay fever

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid. Melbourne has like the worst pollen count. What? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a known thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it? Is it? No, girl, it's so bad. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a new Melburnian and I really hope that this fate

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<v Speaker 2>is not making its way to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give it two years until it starts

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<v Speaker 1>affecting you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give myself two years to move away

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<v Speaker 2>from Melbourne. No, no, we can't lose you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but it's really bad. Like, I never used to

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<v Speaker 1>struggle with hay fever. And now all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>my nose is leaking at every opportunity. My eyes are

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<v Speaker 1>leaking at every opportunity. I mean, I don't get the

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<v Speaker 1>scratchy throat that badly. But at times I'm like, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel for people who get really bad hay fever.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the symptoms on the surface sound so minor. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think just because they're so persistent, it can become

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<v Speaker 2>so debilitating.

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<v Speaker 1>You get in bed and you've got like this blocked nose.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, wait. Is it the flu or is it

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<v Speaker 1>hay fever? And you question your sanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Hate that. It's so bad. So let's start.

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<v Speaker 1>The episode off after our brief little yap. And I

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<v Speaker 1>decided to just like welcome you guys into the yap

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<v Speaker 1>about what we're discussing because I know that people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be nodding in the cars on the way

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<v Speaker 1>to work listening to this being like, yeah, hay fever

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<v Speaker 1>is fucking me up the ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm pretty sure that we came into this studio

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<v Speaker 1>and I just said quick bye, hi and bye, because

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<v Speaker 1>I had to run out the door to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the IVF clinic to do my shot. Because I found

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<v Speaker 1>out this morning, first of all, let me just recap

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Let me give you a bit of backstory.

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<v Speaker 1>Came in this morning in the same area where we

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<v Speaker 1>shoot is like the same area where the clinic is,

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<v Speaker 1>which works for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very convenient. I was like, I can make this

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<v Speaker 1>work because we don't shoot, like this studio is not

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<v Speaker 1>close to my home, which is fine. I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 1>make the trek. I literally came in first thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning to get a scan done. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, the doctor will be in contact with you,

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<v Speaker 1>doing some meetings, you know, in the cafe downstairs and

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<v Speaker 1>just yapping away, doing my usual stuff. They gave me

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<v Speaker 1>a buzz and they're like, right, so we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get you in on this Wednesday. The people at home

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<v Speaker 1>that don't know, we record on a Monday. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to go in on Wednesday for my egg retrieval. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do it a little bit earlier just

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<v Speaker 1>because my doctor is amazing. Like she's, shout out to Dr.

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<v Speaker 2>Raelia Liu.

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<v Speaker 1>She is phenomenal. And just with the job that I'm in,

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<v Speaker 1>We have things pop up last minute that you can

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<v Speaker 1>say no to. I just prefer to like seize the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities as they come. And we are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a very, very big weekend. So I was like the

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<v Speaker 1>earlier we can do the retrieval, the better. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can have more days just lying low to recover properly

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<v Speaker 1>before I start work again. So anyways, called me and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, we're actually going to do it this Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>But to do that, we need to like double dose

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<v Speaker 1>you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as possible. So then you can take your

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<v Speaker 1>trigger shot tonight and then you'll have your admission time

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday and then go through that period. So I

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<v Speaker 1>literally was like, you messaged me and you were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to catch up before the episode? I'm like, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't. Grab me another matcha if you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Love you lots.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm running out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you in 15 minutes. And I ran, sprinted over,

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<v Speaker 1>got the shot, went down to the nurses. The nurse,

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<v Speaker 1>lovely Lucy, my nurse, I'm obsessed with her. She's so

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<v Speaker 1>fucking kind. Shot me in the tummy, came back. We

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<v Speaker 1>did a quick powwow and now we're here.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick shot in the tummy and not the kind that is. Yeah, look. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the funnest kind. Not the funnest kind. No, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't actually, I don't know if it's a mental thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I find that shots hurt more when you do

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<v Speaker 1>them to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Really? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Like getting blood drawn hurts more than doing these shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's like, it's going to sound really gross, but

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<v Speaker 1>you've like pinched your tummy fat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's done on a superficial level. Whereas like when

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<v Speaker 1>you get blood drawn, it's like into the vein. Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry if you've got needle phobia at home and you're

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<v Speaker 1>like listening to this. But yeah, it doesn't actually hurt

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<v Speaker 1>that much. It's just like... An uncomfortable feeling when you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it to yourself because you know when it goes

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<v Speaker 1>in and what you're pushing in and it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>mental part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>100%. That makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And even when you're like pinching your own tummy

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<v Speaker 1>and like injecting yourself, like if you're doing it home

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself, it actually can be a little bit fiddly

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<v Speaker 1>rather than if you have someone's help. Like I've had

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<v Speaker 1>someone's help two nights this week. And they've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to like pinch my tummy and then I've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to do the injection. It just means that you've got

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<v Speaker 1>like a free hand to be able to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>needle into yourself. It's very weird. Very weird experience. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like a qualified nurse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally not.

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<v Speaker 2>It just seems like such an intense thing to have

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<v Speaker 2>to do to yourself, which is really strange because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it's a tiny needle. It's totally safe. It's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You're obviously like kind of trained through the process of

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<v Speaker 2>how to do it right and safely and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can imagine I would much rather you shoot

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<v Speaker 2>me in the tummy than have to do it to myself.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I decided when I had help

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<v Speaker 1>this week to not get them to.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more, I think it's more of a control thing

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been doing it for so long. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. They wouldn't have, wouldn't have done it before.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would be scared that they would be scared

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<v Speaker 1>to inject. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally. Because now you're the pro. You're the one with

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<v Speaker 2>all the experience. Yeah. So does double dosing early mean

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to have any kind of extra side effects?

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<v Speaker 1>Nah. Nah. It basically means that it's going to like

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<v Speaker 1>kickstart my follicles to grow a little bit more because

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<v Speaker 1>when I did my scan today, they're not quite ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>My little follicles. Did you know eggs are microscopic? Did

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about this in our last episode?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I told you this. I found

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<v Speaker 1>this out the last cycle I did. Our eggs are

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<v Speaker 1>actually microscopic.

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<v Speaker 2>As in, as opposed to what? So the eggs grow

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<v Speaker 2>in our follicles. With the naked eye?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Our eggs grow in our follicles and how

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<v Speaker 1>they do this medication is they like inject you with

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<v Speaker 1>hormone so your follicles and your eggs can grow. The

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<v Speaker 1>egg is in the, I'm, I'm, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm not a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Let's put that at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just put that at the very top. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not medical advice. This is not medical advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a doctor. I'm just repeating what the nurse

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<v Speaker 1>said to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>But I may have heard it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't shoot the messenger. Don't shoot the messenger. Don't shoot Adele.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I understand is the follicle, the egg is

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<v Speaker 1>inside the follicle. It's microscopic. They basically do like an

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<v Speaker 1>internal ultrasound, which is always very unusual. And they look

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<v Speaker 1>at the follicles and they measure the size of the follicle.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they want the follicle to be a certain size,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that the egg is ready to retrieve.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of my follicles were sitting sort of around

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<v Speaker 1>the 11 mark. And I think they need to be.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>When the follicles get to a certain size, they're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to retrieve. So then you do a trigger shot to

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<v Speaker 1>ovulate and then they retrieve the eggs for you in

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<v Speaker 1>a day procedure. Then they put those follicles and the eggs,

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<v Speaker 1>they put the eggs in a petri dish, a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>lab dish. scientists, a lab scientist or just a scientist?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say just a scientist.

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<v Speaker 2>I like lab scientists.

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<v Speaker 1>Lab scientists makes them sound extra fancy, which they are.

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<v Speaker 1>The lab scientist goes with your Petri dish straight into

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<v Speaker 1>the lab, puts them right on. Like I walk in,

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<v Speaker 1>I walk into my day studio. I lie myself on

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<v Speaker 1>the bed before they knock me the fuck out. And

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<v Speaker 1>I get introduced to the scientist that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at my little babies.

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<v Speaker 2>That is?

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<v Speaker 1>They're very cool. The last one was called Anna. She

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<v Speaker 1>had very pretty eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>We love Anna.

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<v Speaker 1>We love Anna.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna was very, very cute.

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<v Speaker 1>But Anna took my petri dish upstairs whilst I was

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<v Speaker 1>knocked the fuck out, okay? And she looked at my

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<v Speaker 1>little eggies and she was able to say, this one's good,

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<v Speaker 1>this one's bad. We'll get rid of this bad one.

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>This one's not the correct size. Off it goes. And

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<v Speaker 1>they only, like, keep the best eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>To put in the freezer. So last time I had

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<v Speaker 1>19 that came out and 14 of them were viable

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<v Speaker 1>to sit in the freezer. So they only put the

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<v Speaker 1>best ones in the freezer.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So they can tell straight away.

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<v Speaker 1>They can tell straight away, but under the microscope.

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<v Speaker 2>That's, I'm sorry, technology is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Women's health, we have a long way to go, obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a long way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>You often talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found that today as well, I'm classified as

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<v Speaker 1>a medical patient because I've got polycystic and endometriosis. So

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<v Speaker 1>my nurse was just like, oh, because you're listed as

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<v Speaker 1>a medical patient, which I didn't know that I was.

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<v Speaker 1>My doctor's listed me as a medical patient because I've

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<v Speaker 1>got endo and polycystic ovary syndrome. I'm pretty sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the endometriosis that you can get listed as a

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<v Speaker 1>medical patient. But the medication that I took is traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>200 plus, that one shot, 200 plus dollars just for

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<v Speaker 1>that one shot. Whereas I picked it up for 25 bucks. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>No way. Yeah. What the hell? So it's subsidised?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's subsidised because I'm a medical patient.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But women that choose to do this electively because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not for medical reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to pay 200 plus dollars i can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what exactly it is if she said 260 280 whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the Pfizer said but 200 bucks one fucking shot and

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<v Speaker 1>so how many shots would people be getting well i

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<v Speaker 1>did a double dose today for the pen you wind

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<v Speaker 1>it all the way up to that just two two

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<v Speaker 1>shots Isn't that fucking wild?

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<v Speaker 2>That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think all my medication all up just cost

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<v Speaker 1>me under $ 200 and that one shot was $ 200. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was my pretty shore. It's been a big

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<v Speaker 1>morning but also a nothing morning at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>What have I really done? What have I really done? Unsure.

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<v Speaker 2>You've had a shot in the belly.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a shot in the belly.

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<v Speaker 2>You've done your meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done my meetings.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got your matcha.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've had an internal ultrasound and Gracie Grace brought

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<v Speaker 1>me matcha.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's delightful.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a little sip actually. Just ASMR.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready? Oh, yeah, lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on to as of late because

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to speak about this today. We might

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<v Speaker 1>have some sceptics that might not like this as of late.

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<v Speaker 1>If my sister's listening to this episode, she's going to

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<v Speaker 1>roll her eyes. I can actually just hear her eyes

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<v Speaker 1>rolling into the back of her head as we speak.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw my light healer on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Your light healer?

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<v Speaker 1>My light healer. Now, let me explain what a light

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<v Speaker 1>healer is.

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<v Speaker 2>Please do.

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<v Speaker 1>I never really fully believed psychics. Like I never really

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<v Speaker 1>understood them. I always think I was a sceptic. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say I was a sceptic because how often do

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<v Speaker 1>any of them speak absolute fucking rubbish? How many of

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<v Speaker 1>them are actually psychics? You will never know, right? But

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<v Speaker 1>when I came back from Europe last year and my

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<v Speaker 1>life went to shit, one of my friends, Jade– Shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to her. She was like, you have to see

0:11:43.450 --> 0:11:46.329
<v Speaker 1>this light healer. Your life will change. You'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>see it. See her, sorry. The only reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>did see her is because she's also Greek Orthodox, which

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<v Speaker 1>is quite contradicting what I'm about to say, because she

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<v Speaker 1>has this beautiful story about how she became a light healer.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't always a light healer, but she does... weave

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of elements of our religion into like,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say her psychic abilities, but I think it goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it surpasses being a psychic. I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>able to see the other side, which is crazy. When

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw her quite literally, I mean, what, what

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<v Speaker 1>date is it now when we're recording? I saw her

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<v Speaker 1>one year and one month ago when I came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything that she said would come true has come true.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many questions. Yeah. Okay. So a light

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<v Speaker 2>healer is a psychic. Is there a difference between light

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<v Speaker 2>healer and psychic?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know. I don't really know if she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to call herself a psychic. So I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be like respectful. She calls herself a light healer.

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<v Speaker 2>She's rebranded to light healer. She's rebranded.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. She's rebranded to light healer. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it surpasses being a psychic. Like She can

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<v Speaker 1>see things that are going to happen and she can

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<v Speaker 1>also speak to the spirits.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell? So have her predictions and things that

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<v Speaker 2>she told you. Everything she said has come true. Part

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. Being so specific that you are now a

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<v Speaker 2>reformed skeptic. You're on board.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to the point where she pulled out names and

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<v Speaker 1>every name she pulls out, she goes, write this name down,

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<v Speaker 1>write this name down, write this name down. And she

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<v Speaker 1>said a particular name and I won't say it, but

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<v Speaker 1>she said a particular name and she said like this

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<v Speaker 1>particular person will cross your path and will show you

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<v Speaker 1>the way and will ground you, like will intrinsically ground you.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And someone came across my path a week later. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realise that was the name that she brought forward

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<v Speaker 1>because English and Greek names are very different. Like my

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<v Speaker 1>Greek name is Adamantia, which means diamond and I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother didn't want to give me a life on

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<v Speaker 1>the pole, so she called me Adele.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon I could have been great on the pole.

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<v Speaker 2>God, you would have rocked it.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon. With my flexibility, I could have made some cash.

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<v Speaker 2>God, what a missed opportunity.

0:14:08.020 --> 0:14:11.449
<v Speaker 1>Missed opportunity. I mean, life's not that short. It could

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<v Speaker 1>still happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What could it be?

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<v Speaker 1>But that person came across my lap and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the person she was talking about. But it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>The same name came across my lap a month later and–

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<v Speaker 1>has been the person that's grounded me.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that person will ground you, that person will

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<v Speaker 1>challenge you, and it's exactly what's happened. That's not the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that she said to me. She said, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go, you know, I see this particular country

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Without her knowing what I had already booked in,

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<v Speaker 1>when I went into my first meeting with her, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't tell her anything, nothing. And when I say nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there were things that she said that I

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<v Speaker 1>have never put online before, that there's no way you

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<v Speaker 1>could have guessed. And she knew what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I was doing, what I was currently, it

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<v Speaker 1>was fucking insane. And I don't want to tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>because it's personal. But names of people that she dropped

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<v Speaker 1>have all come across my lap. They've all said, they've

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<v Speaker 1>all done what she said they're going to do. Just crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about with the spirits element? You said she

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<v Speaker 2>can talk to the other side. How has that presented itself?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she did say, and this sounds like a bit voodoo,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do truly believe it. My grandfather who has

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<v Speaker 1>passed away was a man of the church. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I did come home last year from Europe, she literally

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<v Speaker 1>said that your like grandfather has brought the truth forward

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<v Speaker 1>for you because intrinsically he knows how important marriage is

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<v Speaker 1>under the roof of the Greek Orthodox church. We have

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<v Speaker 1>these things called the Stefana, which are like these crowns

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<v Speaker 1>that are linked together by a ribbon. Sometimes it's ribbon

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<v Speaker 1>and it, it, it, quite literally links man to woman,

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<v Speaker 1>woman to man. And you cross it over and you

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<v Speaker 1>have your, we call them our Gulbada, which is our

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<v Speaker 1>best man, but it goes further than a best man

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<v Speaker 1>or a best woman. It's sort of they're the initially

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<v Speaker 1>or traditionally the person that will be the godmother or

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<v Speaker 1>good father for your children.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So they cross these stefana, these crowns, and they link

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<v Speaker 1>husband to wife, wife to husband. And she said, because

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<v Speaker 1>he is a man of the church, He knows how

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<v Speaker 1>important it is to you and to him and to

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<v Speaker 1>the family to get married underneath the crowns. And he

0:16:25.260 --> 0:16:30.040
<v Speaker 1>brought the truth forward before anything could happen underneath those crowns.

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<v Speaker 1>And like that can be quite sceptic for some people,

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<v Speaker 1>but like that in itself, I fully believe it because

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<v Speaker 1>number one, I did not tell her how many grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>I had. Number two, at the time that she gave

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<v Speaker 1>this reading. I hadn't put any of my grandparents online.

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<v Speaker 1>So how does she know that first of all, my

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather is the only grandfather that's passed? She also listed

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<v Speaker 1>his name.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no. It was a creepy, like, like creepy in

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<v Speaker 1>the best way possible. And I didn't tell her anything

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<v Speaker 1>when I first met her. So everything that she said,

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<v Speaker 1>including my career, she said that, you know, she said

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<v Speaker 1>certain things were going to happen in my career over

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<v Speaker 1>the next 12 months. And they've all come true.

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually crazy. Yeah. This is so crazy because

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<v Speaker 2>I actually really like the idea of, like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>getting my cards read once by like some woo-woo family friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Just like this random lady who was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll read your cards. And I was like, okay. And

0:17:23.410 --> 0:17:25.730
<v Speaker 2>then I said to her, oh, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I fully believe in like the magic of this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing of like psychic abilities. And it was so

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<v Speaker 2>cool because her response was she wasn't offended at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just like being transparent with her, just

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<v Speaker 2>being like, I don't know if this is, if there's,

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<v Speaker 2>do you just take this with a grain of salt?

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<v Speaker 2>Like let's be for real. And her response was. Yeah,

0:17:45.810 --> 0:17:47.970
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to believe it. But if anything, it's

0:17:47.990 --> 0:17:51.020
<v Speaker 2>a really good opportunity for reflection. And I was like,

0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.900
<v Speaker 2>that's so true. Because on the one hand, this woman

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<v Speaker 2>could totally, your light healer lady.

0:17:56.300 --> 0:17:57.060
<v Speaker 1>She could be fobbing me.

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<v Speaker 2>She could be fobbing or she could be an actual

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<v Speaker 2>magical human being.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But in a way, both are just as valuable. Because

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there's an element of like, what if... you know,

0:18:08.890 --> 0:18:11.590
<v Speaker 2>the things that she's saying about your career, she's then

0:18:11.650 --> 0:18:14.770
<v Speaker 2>planting seeds in you that you then take and manifest.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be elements of manifestation, but like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>say it on the potty. You know what I'm doing

0:18:21.369 --> 0:18:24.830
<v Speaker 1>from a personal level. But she said, I see this

0:18:24.910 --> 0:18:28.300
<v Speaker 1>particular thing that's happening in your career. It's going to happen.

0:18:28.340 --> 0:18:30.820
<v Speaker 1>It's happening. I'm not sure that the line is blurred.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, are you doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The specifics are pretty crazy.

0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.980
<v Speaker 1>Like she could have said anything, but she said that

0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.510
<v Speaker 1>specific project that's going to come out next year. But

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<v Speaker 1>how does she know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you go in asking her questions or do you

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<v Speaker 2>just go in and you're basically like, tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>I need to hear?

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<v Speaker 1>She just starts with the reading and she'll tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>Things will just pop out at her. For instance, she

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<v Speaker 1>gave me a letter. She goes a name starting with blah, blah, blah,

0:18:59.810 --> 0:19:03.380
<v Speaker 1>a particular letter. really important to you. They're currently having

0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.220
<v Speaker 1>tummy issues. I'm having something wrong with my tummy at

0:19:06.260 --> 0:19:09.700
<v Speaker 1>the moment. Or she said, is this particular person struggling

0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.660
<v Speaker 1>with their sleep? They're really struggling with their sleep. They're overthinking.

0:19:12.700 --> 0:19:14.800
<v Speaker 1>They're in your world. You're not actually going to be

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.900
<v Speaker 1>able to calm them down, but just be there for them.

0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.470
<v Speaker 1>Like she, random bits of information will come towards her.

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<v Speaker 1>She gave me a couple of names and she's like,

0:19:23.150 --> 0:19:25.190
<v Speaker 1>this name has spat out at me. Does that mean

0:19:25.250 --> 0:19:27.410
<v Speaker 1>anything to you? They really like you. They think you're

0:19:27.430 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>a straight shooter. Like they're happy that you've like entered

0:19:30.410 --> 0:19:33.440
<v Speaker 1>their vicinity or their circle of life. And little things

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<v Speaker 1>like that are just, I think that if anything, she

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<v Speaker 1>just brings a lot of validation and comfort and hope.

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes when we live in such a world

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<v Speaker 1>that is like constantly driven by existential crisis modes that

0:19:49.570 --> 0:19:51.570
<v Speaker 1>are happening, 24-7, I don't even know if that sentence

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<v Speaker 1>just made sense, but... We're driven towards constant negativity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have someone go, this is really positive. Keep

0:19:59.100 --> 0:20:01.399
<v Speaker 1>your eye out for this name. This name is something

0:20:01.460 --> 0:20:04.580
<v Speaker 1>important to you. This is what I'm seeing in your career.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she's like, oh, you're working on this at

0:20:06.500 --> 0:20:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the moment or you're going to be working on this.

0:20:08.260 --> 0:20:11.290
<v Speaker 1>I see this. I see this. I see this. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she'll like whip out some names. She'll do card

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<v Speaker 1>readings as well. And did a lovely, lovely card reading

0:20:18.490 --> 0:20:20.890
<v Speaker 1>with me. And that was really nice. That also like,

0:20:21.450 --> 0:20:24.970
<v Speaker 1>that also validates where you are in your current space

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<v Speaker 1>and what's to come, I think. And then she does

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<v Speaker 1>like a little light healing session at the end. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like I would say it's a prayer, but it

0:20:33.550 --> 0:20:37.230
<v Speaker 1>goes further than a prayer. It's sort of visualization, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And like a version of meditation that just like you

0:20:40.700 --> 0:20:43.250
<v Speaker 1>do some breath work with her and It's really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to try this. It's really beautiful. I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're gatekeeping her, which I understand.

0:20:48.390 --> 0:20:50.340
<v Speaker 1>The only reason I'm gatekeeping her is because I don't

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 1>want her to book out, guys.

0:20:52.300 --> 0:20:53.939
<v Speaker 2>She's mine, okay?

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.220
<v Speaker 1>She's already really fucking busy as it is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Second time I've seen her. I mean, I'm really busy too,

0:21:00.140 --> 0:21:02.469
<v Speaker 1>so I'm at fault for not seeing her sooner. But

0:21:02.530 --> 0:21:05.270
<v Speaker 1>my sister's reaction is like, Adele, shut the fuck up.

0:21:06.010 --> 0:21:08.350
<v Speaker 1>She's like, Adele, shut the fuck up. That's not true.

0:21:09.020 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Like she's just like she could have just done a research.

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like you can't research these things. I don't think

0:21:14.900 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that there were elements of what she said that you

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:17.260
<v Speaker 1>could have researched.

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.530
<v Speaker 2>It's unresearchable.

0:21:20.230 --> 0:21:23.190
<v Speaker 1>It's not on the internet. Anyways, maybe if we're lucky

0:21:23.230 --> 0:21:24.310
<v Speaker 1>she'll come onto the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And do a live reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Can she do me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

0:21:30.340 --> 0:21:31.400
<v Speaker 1>But you have to like believe.

0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:37.240
<v Speaker 2>I do. Aura, you are sceptic. No, I totally do.

0:21:38.060 --> 0:21:40.300
<v Speaker 2>I think as soon as she enters the room, I

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:41.399
<v Speaker 2>will feel her aura.

0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.300
<v Speaker 1>She's got such a beautiful aura.

0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.220
<v Speaker 2>I bet she does. People like this always do.

0:21:46.020 --> 0:21:49.510
<v Speaker 1>It's really, really lovely to be around. Okay, maybe I'll

0:21:49.530 --> 0:21:51.590
<v Speaker 1>share the name a little bit later on in another

0:21:51.609 --> 0:21:52.430
<v Speaker 1>episode when she's here.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're lucky.

0:21:53.310 --> 0:21:54.950
<v Speaker 1>If we're lucky. And I have my next 12 months

0:21:54.970 --> 0:21:59.590
<v Speaker 1>appointments booked in. All right, let's move on to my

0:21:59.609 --> 0:22:02.350
<v Speaker 1>two cents. What do you have for me this week, Gracie?

0:22:02.770 --> 0:22:05.229
<v Speaker 2>I've got a big question for you. So I read

0:22:05.270 --> 0:22:09.190
<v Speaker 2>an article and the big question, does it make you

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<v Speaker 2>a bad friend to be envious of your friends?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I want to unpack it because this article

0:22:19.030 --> 0:22:22.169
<v Speaker 2>goes on to explain that there's actually a common misconception

0:22:22.290 --> 0:22:25.990
<v Speaker 2>between the idea that envy and jealousy are the same thing.

0:22:26.790 --> 0:22:30.470
<v Speaker 2>Whereas these two words actually have quite different meanings. Envy

0:22:30.930 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>means wanting what someone else has and feeling inferior or resentful. Okay.

0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.920
<v Speaker 2>So that's what we're talking about in this friend-vy question. Mm-hmm.

0:22:39.510 --> 0:22:42.990
<v Speaker 2>jealousy is the fear of losing something you already have

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<v Speaker 2>to another person.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes a lot of sense.

0:22:45.650 --> 0:22:48.050
<v Speaker 2>Once it was laid out like this, I was like,

0:22:48.430 --> 0:22:49.650
<v Speaker 2>I totally clocked it immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never broken those two down.

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<v Speaker 2>No, neither. Because I think that there is a common

0:22:54.020 --> 0:22:56.100
<v Speaker 2>misconception that they're the same thing, that they're a synonym,

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 2>but they're actually very different. So what it goes on

0:22:58.540 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 2>to explain is that people usually feel more envy when

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.940
<v Speaker 2>they're closer in age and status to the person they're

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 2>comparing themselves to. So envy is actually very common in

0:23:09.100 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 2>friendships because you're usually, you know, in a similar life stage.

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.090
<v Speaker 2>This person's in your life. They're very close to you.

0:23:15.619 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>There are elements where you can kind of see yourself

0:23:20.020 --> 0:23:22.940
<v Speaker 2>very clearly in them or in their lives or in

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.970
<v Speaker 2>their situations. I wanted to ask... Whether you have experienced

0:23:28.070 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 2>this on either side, have you felt envious of another person?

0:23:31.180 --> 0:23:33.140
<v Speaker 2>Have you had friends who have felt envious of you

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<v Speaker 2>and express that in any kinds of way? I want

0:23:34.980 --> 0:23:35.580
<v Speaker 2>to start there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I, this is really interesting. I've, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that first of all, jealousy in Greek is called zilia.

0:23:43.369 --> 0:23:45.990
<v Speaker 1>And I will always say zilia will be the death

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:51.020
<v Speaker 1>of people. Zilia, it's not envy and jealousy or jealousy

0:23:51.060 --> 0:23:52.900
<v Speaker 1>as a whole. It's not a good trait to have.

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>It's an ugly emotion.

0:23:54.100 --> 0:23:58.530
<v Speaker 1>It's an ugly, ugly, ugly trait to have. But it

0:23:58.690 --> 0:24:01.610
<v Speaker 1>is an emotion that does come up. I don't want

0:24:01.650 --> 0:24:06.830
<v Speaker 1>to say that I've experienced jealousy or envy. I get

0:24:06.990 --> 0:24:12.930
<v Speaker 1>quite frustrated when I say, for instance, like this person's

0:24:12.970 --> 0:24:16.150
<v Speaker 1>not a good person. I intrinsically in my gut know that.

0:24:16.230 --> 0:24:19.390
<v Speaker 1>And then when I share that information and it's not believed,

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it comes across as if I am jealous of that

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 1>person and it's not the case. It's more that I

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.420
<v Speaker 1>am protective of the ones that are close to me

0:24:31.100 --> 0:24:34.580
<v Speaker 1>because I fucking trust my gut I'm sorry I just

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:36.700
<v Speaker 1>do and people have to make their own mistakes and

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:38.980
<v Speaker 1>they have to learn in their own way which is

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<v Speaker 1>like what I have started to realize I've just got

0:24:41.460 --> 0:24:43.899
<v Speaker 1>to let it run its course because karma will lay

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.210
<v Speaker 1>the seeds it will balance the scales it'll balance the

0:24:47.250 --> 0:24:51.430
<v Speaker 1>scales and karma will intrinsically do what it does best

0:24:51.910 --> 0:24:54.690
<v Speaker 1>okay so I just sometimes have to shut up step

0:24:54.730 --> 0:24:56.889
<v Speaker 1>back let it happen in front of me and just

0:24:56.930 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 1>let it play out I wouldn't say I've experienced jealousy

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.930
<v Speaker 1>or envy, but I would say I have looked towards

0:25:07.050 --> 0:25:10.990
<v Speaker 1>friends and family who have maybe things like a family.

0:25:12.230 --> 0:25:15.540
<v Speaker 1>and like a really solid relationship and they're pregnant or

0:25:15.580 --> 0:25:17.419
<v Speaker 1>having kids and it's something that I do want for

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>my future I most definitely don't want it now and

0:25:19.700 --> 0:25:21.350
<v Speaker 1>I know that and I'm not just saying that to

0:25:21.380 --> 0:25:24.290
<v Speaker 1>make myself feel better I don't look at that as

0:25:24.510 --> 0:25:27.310
<v Speaker 1>envious though I look at it as like oh I

0:25:27.350 --> 0:25:29.310
<v Speaker 1>really want it but it's such a beautiful thing that

0:25:29.330 --> 0:25:31.150
<v Speaker 1>they have is that still envy.

0:25:31.380 --> 0:25:33.500
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's kind of what it goes on

0:25:33.540 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to unpack this article that I read And I think

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:41.850
<v Speaker 2>that your response is actually embodying exactly what this article

0:25:41.910 --> 0:25:43.649
<v Speaker 2>is recommending that people do. Okay.

0:25:44.090 --> 0:25:45.050
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's nice.

0:25:45.619 --> 0:25:47.580
<v Speaker 2>I think it is really nice. No, Adele. And I

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.060
<v Speaker 2>think it's a sign of maturity and probably like inner

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.660
<v Speaker 2>confidence as well, because I think that jealousy often comes

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.090
<v Speaker 2>from a place of insecurity.

0:25:56.210 --> 0:25:56.510
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:25:57.010 --> 0:25:59.750
<v Speaker 2>Whereas envy, I think, has an element where it can

0:25:59.810 --> 0:26:03.510
<v Speaker 2>actually be a really positive and motivating factor. That's kind

0:26:03.530 --> 0:26:04.550
<v Speaker 2>of what I've taken from this.

0:26:05.109 --> 0:26:06.750
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting. I was talking about this with a

0:26:06.810 --> 0:26:10.910
<v Speaker 1>friend on the weekend, actually, about how sometimes we look

0:26:10.930 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 1>at relationships that, you know, you might have with someone

0:26:13.940 --> 0:26:18.580
<v Speaker 1>and Let's say that this person has lost a parent. Okay.

0:26:19.220 --> 0:26:21.700
<v Speaker 1>And it's way more common than we think. Whether they

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:23.700
<v Speaker 1>don't have a relationship with a parent or the parent

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:28.260
<v Speaker 1>has passed or whatever the situation is, very unfortunate. You

0:26:28.300 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>look at other friends that have great relationships with their

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>parents or they still have their parents around. There is

0:26:35.700 --> 0:26:40.980
<v Speaker 1>envy there for wanting that beautiful something rather that you

0:26:41.050 --> 0:26:44.700
<v Speaker 1>can see unfold and but knowing and understanding fully that's

0:26:44.740 --> 0:26:48.659
<v Speaker 1>never possible for you. And like that in itself is quite,

0:26:49.180 --> 0:26:52.379
<v Speaker 1>it punches between the ribs because you're like, oh, I

0:26:52.420 --> 0:26:54.980
<v Speaker 1>want it, but I know for a fact I can't

0:26:55.030 --> 0:26:59.850
<v Speaker 1>have it. Like it's physically not possible. The balance between

0:26:59.890 --> 0:27:03.130
<v Speaker 1>the two of like going between looking at something that's

0:27:03.190 --> 0:27:05.449
<v Speaker 1>quite beautiful, but then the hurt of like knowing that

0:27:05.490 --> 0:27:08.610
<v Speaker 1>you can never have something like that is quite, it's

0:27:08.690 --> 0:27:11.149
<v Speaker 1>quite a big feeling to juggle.

0:27:11.619 --> 0:27:15.139
<v Speaker 2>It's a very vulnerable place to be, I think, in

0:27:15.180 --> 0:27:17.220
<v Speaker 2>a friendship or in any kind of relationship when you're

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:22.100
<v Speaker 2>in that situation. I also think it doesn't mean that

0:27:22.500 --> 0:27:26.190
<v Speaker 2>feeling that envy and longing for that situation or that

0:27:26.210 --> 0:27:28.710
<v Speaker 2>relationship that someone else has that you have to come

0:27:28.730 --> 0:27:31.810
<v Speaker 2>to terms with the fact of knowing is not possible

0:27:31.830 --> 0:27:34.850
<v Speaker 2>for you. It doesn't mean that you would want to

0:27:34.910 --> 0:27:37.650
<v Speaker 2>take that situation away from someone else. So I think

0:27:37.690 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 2>that envy actually can have almost like a beautiful, vulnerable

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.570
<v Speaker 2>element that maybe isn't celebrated enough. But this list about

0:27:45.650 --> 0:27:47.390
<v Speaker 2>how to handle it, I want to get your thoughts

0:27:47.450 --> 0:27:49.710
<v Speaker 2>on this because I think this is maybe part of

0:27:49.750 --> 0:27:52.910
<v Speaker 2>the key to being able to like access the vulnerable,

0:27:53.050 --> 0:27:57.230
<v Speaker 2>powerful side of envy, maybe. Yeah. It says number one

0:27:57.810 --> 0:28:02.230
<v Speaker 2>is name it, don't shame it. So acknowledging that feeling

0:28:02.450 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 2>might prevent it from becoming destructive.

0:28:04.690 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I love that.

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.550
<v Speaker 2>I like it too, because imagine if you had a

0:28:08.590 --> 0:28:11.690
<v Speaker 2>friendship where you felt kind of, I guess, trustful enough

0:28:11.710 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to be able to say to someone, oh, I really

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 2>feel a pang when I look at what you've done

0:28:16.740 --> 0:28:19.420
<v Speaker 2>or what you have done. that for whatever reason isn't

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 2>part of my life. And I love it for you

0:28:21.780 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 2>so much. But being able to share that with someone

0:28:24.740 --> 0:28:27.580
<v Speaker 2>else feels like such a scary thing to do. But

0:28:27.619 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe that is, maybe that would be a positive thing

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:31.609
<v Speaker 2>to do in some situations. I'm not sure.

0:28:31.619 --> 0:28:34.409
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting because do you know how common it

0:28:34.710 --> 0:28:39.750
<v Speaker 1>is for like adults, fully grown adults, including myself, very common.

0:28:39.970 --> 0:28:42.250
<v Speaker 1>I have been working on this with my therapist for

0:28:42.290 --> 0:28:45.070
<v Speaker 1>years on not being able to name your own emotions.

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.900
<v Speaker 1>So like when it comes to understanding jealousy and what

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>that looks like and feels like and what it is,

0:28:50.860 --> 0:28:55.510
<v Speaker 1>a lot of adults actually can't name jealousy. They go,

0:28:55.770 --> 0:28:59.230
<v Speaker 1>I'm upset. I'm sad. I'm angry. You're jealous.

0:28:59.890 --> 0:29:01.810
<v Speaker 2>That makes a lot of sense.

0:29:01.890 --> 0:29:05.170
<v Speaker 1>So then you act out because you can't name and

0:29:05.210 --> 0:29:05.570
<v Speaker 1>shame it.

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Because you have internalised that shame. You're like, I know

0:29:09.140 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that what I'm feeling doesn't sit right and so I

0:29:11.940 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 2>feel ashamed about it so I can't verbalise it.

0:29:13.830 --> 0:29:18.220
<v Speaker 1>They don't even clock that aspect of it. They go, pang, feeling,

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:20.670
<v Speaker 1>I'm angry because this person is hanging out with this

0:29:20.750 --> 0:29:23.110
<v Speaker 1>person who doesn't know that I chose them over me.

0:29:23.230 --> 0:29:27.050
<v Speaker 1>I'm angry. They'll cry about it. I'm sad because they

0:29:27.070 --> 0:29:28.830
<v Speaker 1>chose them over me. You're jealous.

0:29:29.130 --> 0:29:29.630
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:29:29.690 --> 0:29:29.870
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:30.650 --> 0:29:33.550
<v Speaker 2>And the unawareness is what makes it destructive.

0:29:33.570 --> 0:29:37.260
<v Speaker 1>It's actually very hard to be aware of your own emotions,

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.260
<v Speaker 1>especially in the moment. I still sometimes can't do it

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.730
<v Speaker 1>in the moment. Like I have to let it come

0:29:42.790 --> 0:29:44.890
<v Speaker 1>out of my body almost, like release it. And then

0:29:45.190 --> 0:29:47.590
<v Speaker 1>a day or two later upon reflection, I'm like, huh,

0:29:48.430 --> 0:29:49.290
<v Speaker 1>that's what I was feeling.

0:29:49.530 --> 0:29:52.650
<v Speaker 2>The penny drops. Oh. Yeah. A little bit of distance

0:29:53.060 --> 0:29:54.100
<v Speaker 2>is always good.

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.020
<v Speaker 1>That makes a lot of sense.

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm yapping. I'm yapping too much.

0:29:58.580 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>No, I love it.

0:29:59.040 --> 0:29:59.860
<v Speaker 1>What's the next little part?

0:29:59.900 --> 0:30:02.660
<v Speaker 2>Number two is openness. Admitting to your friends you are

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.220
<v Speaker 2>proud and envy them, which I feel like goes hand

0:30:05.260 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>in hand with the last point. Transform it. So transform

0:30:08.700 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>envy into appreciation and connection rather than resentment.

0:30:12.980 --> 0:30:13.740
<v Speaker 1>I think that's beautiful.

0:30:13.870 --> 0:30:16.510
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I think that's so good. The last

0:30:16.570 --> 0:30:19.410
<v Speaker 2>point is allow it to motivate. It can increase effort

0:30:19.450 --> 0:30:22.190
<v Speaker 2>and performance when goals are reasonable. So like you said,

0:30:22.270 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>some things that other people have might just be physically

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.620
<v Speaker 2>impossible for you. And that's a hard thing to admit

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:32.290
<v Speaker 2>and to reconcile. But some things, if you're actually envious

0:30:32.350 --> 0:30:35.150
<v Speaker 2>of someone because you admire something that they've done or

0:30:35.190 --> 0:30:37.970
<v Speaker 2>achieved or somewhere they went or the kind of people

0:30:38.010 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that they're around... that can actually be a really positive,

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 2>motivating force.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>We had this in our family recently, and I'm going

0:30:44.820 --> 0:30:46.860
<v Speaker 1>to out everybody. And I think it's good to be outed.

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to out everyone in my family. I

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.290
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a bad thing. And I don't think,

0:30:52.350 --> 0:30:53.930
<v Speaker 1>first of all, before I say this story, there was

0:30:54.250 --> 0:30:58.020
<v Speaker 1>ever any ill intent. There's also no jealousy attached to it.

0:30:58.930 --> 0:31:01.170
<v Speaker 1>But me and one of my other cousins were speaking

0:31:01.250 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>about my family has done this very, very beautiful thing

0:31:04.180 --> 0:31:06.580
<v Speaker 1>where I don't know if you know this, but when

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>you have a baby, your council will get all the

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.830
<v Speaker 1>mothers that have just recently had babies and they'll make

0:31:10.850 --> 0:31:12.510
<v Speaker 1>like a little mother's group within your council.

0:31:12.990 --> 0:31:14.010
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that.

0:31:14.030 --> 0:31:15.370
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very fucking cute. That's adorable.

0:31:15.430 --> 0:31:16.170
<v Speaker 2>It's very fucking cute.

0:31:16.710 --> 0:31:19.330
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes, a lot of the times, you might not get

0:31:19.370 --> 0:31:20.650
<v Speaker 1>along with the mothers in your mother's group.

0:31:20.970 --> 0:31:21.370
<v Speaker 2>So true.

0:31:21.630 --> 0:31:23.709
<v Speaker 1>Or some of them might be very, very different to

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>you or whatever it is, but it's more so mothers

0:31:26.500 --> 0:31:29.420
<v Speaker 1>can find support in themselves. Now, it happened that like

0:31:29.540 --> 0:31:32.590
<v Speaker 1>in my family... all of the cousins and stuff would

0:31:32.610 --> 0:31:35.910
<v Speaker 1>go to these mothers groups and they wouldn't necessarily have

0:31:35.950 --> 0:31:37.830
<v Speaker 1>the bond that they wanted to have with other mothers.

0:31:37.870 --> 0:31:40.510
<v Speaker 1>So we've got a very, very big family. All of

0:31:40.570 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 1>my cousins that have had babies, they've created their own

0:31:43.620 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>little mothers group.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Very cute.

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.060
<v Speaker 1>So it means that like, however often they catch up,

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>all the kids get together, the kids get to play.

0:31:50.660 --> 0:31:55.270
<v Speaker 1>They've also created this gorgeous friendship. like cousinly friendship, because

0:31:55.290 --> 0:31:57.050
<v Speaker 1>I would say that we're probably more friends than we

0:31:57.090 --> 0:31:59.870
<v Speaker 1>are with our cousins' family, if that makes sense. We're

0:31:59.890 --> 0:32:03.190
<v Speaker 1>more friends than family. Let me re-say that. One of

0:32:03.230 --> 0:32:05.110
<v Speaker 1>my other cousins spoke to me and was like, I

0:32:05.230 --> 0:32:09.290
<v Speaker 1>actually am quite offended. And I'm like, oh, why? And

0:32:09.850 --> 0:32:13.130
<v Speaker 1>she said, well, just because our cousins are a little

0:32:13.150 --> 0:32:15.430
<v Speaker 1>bit older than us, so they've hit these like traditional

0:32:15.470 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>markers of like having kids. We're not now not invited

0:32:19.100 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>to see the nieces and nephews. We're not now invited

0:32:21.860 --> 0:32:26.650
<v Speaker 1>to be part or partake in this group that we

0:32:26.730 --> 0:32:31.310
<v Speaker 1>would had we not had had kids, had have kids. What?

0:32:31.390 --> 0:32:34.830
<v Speaker 1>Had have? Have had. Have had kids. I was like,

0:32:35.150 --> 0:32:36.050
<v Speaker 1>my brain is bothering.

0:32:36.090 --> 0:32:37.310
<v Speaker 2>That turns the charm. Have had.

0:32:37.590 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Have had kids. Prior to everybody having kids, we would

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.250
<v Speaker 1>have all hung out together and we did. Yeah. But

0:32:44.290 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>now that the mothers group exists, we don't hang out

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>together because I'm not a mother. She's not a mother.

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of others. in the family that aren't

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.420
<v Speaker 1>mothers because we just, our timelines haven't gotten there yet.

0:32:55.740 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Or she was saying, you know, it's not really all

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.790
<v Speaker 1>that fair because what if some of us can't be mothers?

0:33:01.190 --> 0:33:03.850
<v Speaker 2>Wow. So they kind of feel left out. They felt

0:33:03.890 --> 0:33:06.870
<v Speaker 2>like they had a strong friendship and the existence of

0:33:06.910 --> 0:33:08.770
<v Speaker 2>this motherhood group that they're not a part.

0:33:08.610 --> 0:33:13.180
<v Speaker 1>Of has deteriorated. Well, not, not, yes, yes, yes, deteriorated,

0:33:13.260 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's more looking at it from a place of

0:33:16.020 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to say this because when my cousin

0:33:18.220 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>spoke to me about this, I was like 100% in

0:33:20.180 --> 0:33:23.740
<v Speaker 1>agreeance with it. I was just like, I visibly see

0:33:23.780 --> 0:33:26.180
<v Speaker 1>that and it is something that I eventually want. Not

0:33:26.220 --> 0:33:29.100
<v Speaker 1>at the moment, but I do eventually want it. If

0:33:29.180 --> 0:33:31.020
<v Speaker 1>I can't have it in the future, am I then

0:33:31.060 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>just not allowed into that group? Or can it be

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.130
<v Speaker 1>an open group so then I can involve myself as

0:33:38.170 --> 0:33:41.430
<v Speaker 1>a motherly figure, as an auntie, and do what I

0:33:41.510 --> 0:33:44.790
<v Speaker 1>can to offer support to these children that I love

0:33:44.890 --> 0:33:49.190
<v Speaker 1>and adore? Why does it always only have to be

0:33:49.230 --> 0:33:52.010
<v Speaker 1>the mothers that are invited into this group? It's kind

0:33:52.050 --> 0:33:55.990
<v Speaker 1>of the same situation as like you'll have your kid's birthday,

0:33:56.010 --> 0:33:58.780
<v Speaker 1>you'll have your kid's christening, you'll have your kid's yada, yada, yada.

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>These are all the milestones. But like when it comes

0:34:00.860 --> 0:34:03.980
<v Speaker 1>to your birthday or a big achievement in your life,

0:34:04.340 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not seen as the same capacity because you don't

0:34:06.500 --> 0:34:11.720
<v Speaker 1>have a child. It's like this parallel life that people

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.379
<v Speaker 1>live or they feel like they can't. resonate with you

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.180
<v Speaker 1>no longer because you don't have a family and they do,

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:19.300
<v Speaker 1>which is not the case.

0:34:19.980 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Which is so strange because I love the idea. Like

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.009
<v Speaker 2>if I was in a mother's group, I would 100%

0:34:25.010 --> 0:34:30.570
<v Speaker 2>love to have like, and I had a brand new baby,

0:34:30.710 --> 0:34:33.489
<v Speaker 2>I would love to have like my friends and like,

0:34:33.550 --> 0:34:35.750
<v Speaker 2>you know, my best friends who would basically be like

0:34:35.770 --> 0:34:40.330
<v Speaker 2>aunties to my baby there, even if they were childless.

0:34:40.850 --> 0:34:43.450
<v Speaker 2>So I guess it does seem very strange that being

0:34:43.489 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 2>a part of this group is contingent on being a mother.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I will say to back the mother's group, I will say,

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.250
<v Speaker 1>because there are a lot of us where did the

0:34:54.290 --> 0:34:55.230
<v Speaker 1>invitation stop?

0:34:55.570 --> 0:34:56.090
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:34:56.210 --> 0:34:58.569
<v Speaker 1>So there does come a point where it's like you're

0:34:58.610 --> 0:35:01.430
<v Speaker 1>facilitating how many people at your house, how many kids

0:35:01.469 --> 0:35:05.210
<v Speaker 1>at your house, where do we actually stop the invitations?

0:35:05.570 --> 0:35:08.260
<v Speaker 1>But in turn, because we're not invited into this circle,

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>we're also not invited to these kids' birthdays.

0:35:10.980 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 2>It has a bit of a flow-on effect.

0:35:12.300 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>It has a flow-on effect because we're not seeing them

0:35:15.020 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>as often. And, you know, it does fall on us too.

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Like we need to make the effort to go and

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:22.379
<v Speaker 1>see everyone. But if there's this monthly catch-up that's happening–

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:24.610
<v Speaker 1>That we can be involved with or we can be

0:35:24.670 --> 0:35:28.690
<v Speaker 1>invited to when it's happening. We might, you know, like

0:35:28.850 --> 0:35:31.070
<v Speaker 1>I want to attend all the birthdays. Like I fucking

0:35:31.090 --> 0:35:34.469
<v Speaker 1>love these kids. It's just an interesting conversation. It's very interesting.

0:35:34.489 --> 0:35:38.610
<v Speaker 1>And from that perspective, I don't think it's jealousy or envy.

0:35:38.630 --> 0:35:41.690
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like once again, it's an appreciation of

0:35:41.730 --> 0:35:45.390
<v Speaker 1>looking at something thinking it's beautiful. It might not be

0:35:45.430 --> 0:35:47.650
<v Speaker 1>something that I will be able to have or maybe

0:35:47.690 --> 0:35:49.009
<v Speaker 1>it is something I'll be able to have but it's

0:35:49.070 --> 0:35:49.590
<v Speaker 1>not yet.

0:35:49.610 --> 0:35:49.710
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:35:50.570 --> 0:35:54.590
<v Speaker 1>But how can I show support without showing jealousy?

0:35:54.830 --> 0:35:57.469
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And how can you be a part of it and, like,

0:35:57.510 --> 0:35:58.430
<v Speaker 2>show up for your friends?

0:35:58.469 --> 0:35:59.290
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:59.510 --> 0:36:01.569
<v Speaker 2>How can you, yeah, how can you be a.

0:36:01.550 --> 0:36:04.130
<v Speaker 1>Part of it without actually physically carrying a baby?

0:36:04.510 --> 0:36:07.170
<v Speaker 2>And also for the mothers group, I totally get if

0:36:07.210 --> 0:36:08.730
<v Speaker 2>you're a new mother, of course you want to talk

0:36:08.750 --> 0:36:10.590
<v Speaker 2>to other new mums because you're all going through the

0:36:10.610 --> 0:36:13.060
<v Speaker 2>same experience. I will say. But does it have to

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:13.439
<v Speaker 2>be exclusive?

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.180
<v Speaker 1>I will say, though. I know. I don't think it

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:16.900
<v Speaker 1>has to be exclusive.

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:36:17.910 --> 0:36:20.450
<v Speaker 1>I will say that a common thread, what new mums

0:36:20.510 --> 0:36:23.210
<v Speaker 1>talk about is the fact that they had no fucking information.

0:36:23.650 --> 0:36:24.210
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:36:24.310 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>So if you then like no information about anything, about teething,

0:36:28.430 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>about what diarrhea meant in the nappy, about what, you know,

0:36:31.180 --> 0:36:33.780
<v Speaker 1>what fucking, I don't know, a shit, a burp, whatever

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:38.980
<v Speaker 1>it is, right? Growing pains, sleeping patterns. Imagine if you

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.910
<v Speaker 1>opened up that mother's circle to mothers to be in

0:36:42.930 --> 0:36:46.130
<v Speaker 1>the future and And awareness and conversation was starting to

0:36:46.190 --> 0:36:48.969
<v Speaker 1>build around information that we didn't even know existed.

0:36:49.510 --> 0:36:50.430
<v Speaker 2>Could not agree more.

0:36:50.530 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I've only just learned a couple years ago about mastitis.

0:36:54.060 --> 0:36:54.859
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know it was a thing.

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:56.710
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be so real with you right now.

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what mastitis is?

0:36:57.500 --> 0:36:58.660
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of that in my life.

0:36:59.110 --> 0:37:03.049
<v Speaker 1>It's like, once again, I'm not a doctor, okay? But

0:37:03.090 --> 0:37:05.569
<v Speaker 1>it's basically like when you breastfeed. At this point, you're

0:37:05.590 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>my doctor. I'm Grace's doctor, actually. When your breast gets

0:37:10.820 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>blocked from breastfeeding, like the duct gets blocked and you

0:37:14.380 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>basically get mastitis, like an infection.

0:37:16.180 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, my God.

0:37:17.140 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's quite painful. And you can get it when

0:37:20.020 --> 0:37:22.629
<v Speaker 1>you wean your baby off breastfeeding or if you don't

0:37:22.730 --> 0:37:25.390
<v Speaker 1>pump in between feeds. I didn't know it was a thing.

0:37:26.530 --> 0:37:27.610
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I know nothing about breastfeeding.

0:37:28.300 --> 0:37:30.890
<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean. Imagine if we opened up this

0:37:30.930 --> 0:37:33.790
<v Speaker 1>circle to women who maybe want to be mothers in

0:37:33.810 --> 0:37:36.549
<v Speaker 1>the future or just like want to hang around mums

0:37:37.050 --> 0:37:39.430
<v Speaker 1>and hang around non-mums too. Like you can live this

0:37:39.469 --> 0:37:41.649
<v Speaker 1>parallel life about going to a mother's group and also

0:37:41.690 --> 0:37:42.870
<v Speaker 1>like going to the pub with your friends.

0:37:42.969 --> 0:37:43.169
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:43.750 --> 0:37:45.650
<v Speaker 1>And just like learning and being more open.

0:37:45.850 --> 0:37:48.770
<v Speaker 2>And older mums too. This is why we need intergenerational

0:37:48.810 --> 0:37:52.390
<v Speaker 2>like friendships and relationships between women. It's so important.

0:37:52.469 --> 0:37:53.250
<v Speaker 1>It's so important.

0:37:53.270 --> 0:37:54.069
<v Speaker 2>We have so much to learn.

0:37:54.590 --> 0:37:56.390
<v Speaker 1>We have so much to learn. We have yapped and

0:37:56.410 --> 0:37:58.470
<v Speaker 1>yapped and yapped. We're doing well at the yapping today.

0:37:58.510 --> 0:37:59.810
<v Speaker 1>It's really, it's going to.

0:37:59.750 --> 0:38:00.350
<v Speaker 2>Be a juicy end.

0:38:00.430 --> 0:38:05.150
<v Speaker 1>We're really going to roll, aren't we? All righty. Shall

0:38:05.170 --> 0:38:06.810
<v Speaker 1>we move into our surely nots because I'm really excited

0:38:06.830 --> 0:38:07.270
<v Speaker 1>about this one.

0:38:07.530 --> 0:38:11.090
<v Speaker 2>The Daily Oz reported that the new ethical fashion report

0:38:11.110 --> 0:38:14.259
<v Speaker 2>has been released. This is a big fashion report that

0:38:14.300 --> 0:38:19.339
<v Speaker 2>happens basically ranking Australia's fashion brands where they stand on

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.900
<v Speaker 2>their website. Ethical metrics. Right.

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Love that.

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Mainly across like environmental risks and human rights in each

0:38:27.100 --> 0:38:30.970
<v Speaker 2>company's supply chain. Okay. Okay. So the report scores brands

0:38:31.130 --> 0:38:34.110
<v Speaker 2>out of 100 based on their ethical commitment. So obviously

0:38:34.130 --> 0:38:36.890
<v Speaker 2>a score close to 100 is very good. Yep. A

0:38:36.910 --> 0:38:40.210
<v Speaker 2>score of 1. Very, very bad. You're looking pretty shady.

0:38:40.250 --> 0:38:41.620
<v Speaker 2>You're looking pretty shit.

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:43.300
<v Speaker 1>You're looking pretty shady.

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:47.310
<v Speaker 2>So... Just for a bit of context around why this

0:38:47.370 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 2>report is really important and why it's such a huge

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 2>public conversation when it comes out. For those of you

0:38:52.180 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 2>who don't know, the fashion industry accounts for about 10%

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.790
<v Speaker 2>of global emissions. That is huge.

0:38:57.850 --> 0:38:58.370
<v Speaker 1>That's massive.

0:38:58.610 --> 0:39:02.989
<v Speaker 2>It's so huge. It's so significant. The report found that

0:39:03.070 --> 0:39:07.380
<v Speaker 2>there is... have been positive shifts towards using sustainable fibres

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.150
<v Speaker 2>by a lot of brands, but overproduction remains a key issue,

0:39:11.670 --> 0:39:14.010
<v Speaker 2>which is so interesting because it's like, even if people

0:39:14.050 --> 0:39:17.150
<v Speaker 2>are like, even if brands and labels are using recycled

0:39:17.190 --> 0:39:22.410
<v Speaker 2>materials and natural fibres, just like the fact that we're

0:39:22.430 --> 0:39:26.660
<v Speaker 2>making so much stuff is still contributing to like that 10%

0:39:26.660 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of emissions. So it's a good thing to keep in mind. 88%

0:39:30.020 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of companies could not prove that they pay workers a

0:39:33.219 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 2>living wage. What do you mean?

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:38.569
<v Speaker 1>I have no words.

0:39:38.830 --> 0:39:39.089
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:39:39.110 --> 0:39:39.910
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:39:40.230 --> 0:39:43.230
<v Speaker 2>So that's just, I don't really know how to elaborate

0:39:43.250 --> 0:39:46.150
<v Speaker 2>on that apart from the fact that that is so crazy.

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>That's fucking wild.

0:39:47.620 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Something to keep in mind is that a lot of

0:39:49.620 --> 0:39:52.900
<v Speaker 2>this reporting, from what I can gather, is based off

0:39:52.940 --> 0:39:57.260
<v Speaker 2>of basically engaging these companies, asking for them to share data.

0:39:57.380 --> 0:40:00.509
<v Speaker 2>And if it's not publicly available and if they don't

0:40:00.550 --> 0:40:01.299
<v Speaker 2>share their data in time.

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:02.340
<v Speaker 1>They get ranked lower.

0:40:02.390 --> 0:40:03.149
<v Speaker 2>They get ranked lower.

0:40:03.270 --> 0:40:03.850
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:40:03.890 --> 0:40:06.330
<v Speaker 2>So there's, you know, there's a bit of an accessibility.

0:40:06.350 --> 0:40:08.430
<v Speaker 2>There's problems with the reports. There's a little bit of, yeah,

0:40:08.469 --> 0:40:12.290
<v Speaker 2>there's a few problems. But, like, by and all, people

0:40:12.489 --> 0:40:15.330
<v Speaker 2>definitely refer to it as, like, a reliable source of information.

0:40:16.170 --> 0:40:18.450
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just going to give you some examples just

0:40:18.510 --> 0:40:20.189
<v Speaker 2>so you can paint a bit of a mental picture

0:40:20.230 --> 0:40:25.489
<v Speaker 2>about what Australian brands are doing. So brands who have

0:40:25.510 --> 0:40:30.859
<v Speaker 2>a score of 70, which is pretty good, include Patagonia, Kathmandu,

0:40:30.980 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Rip Curl. Okay, shout out to Rip Curl.

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:34.339
<v Speaker 1>Shout out Rip Curl.

0:40:34.380 --> 0:40:39.260
<v Speaker 2>AS Colour scores 67. Assembly Label and Princess Polly.

0:40:39.460 --> 0:40:41.940
<v Speaker 1>I did not expect Princess Polly to be up there.

0:40:42.020 --> 0:40:45.790
<v Speaker 2>Score 63. 63. Whoa. I was the same. Princess Polly.

0:40:45.850 --> 0:40:46.190
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:40:46.370 --> 0:40:47.970
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was going to be a one for sure.

0:40:47.989 --> 0:40:48.060
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:40:48.650 --> 0:40:52.070
<v Speaker 2>So that's quite surprising. Okay. This is interesting. Nine West

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:57.580
<v Speaker 2>and Beck and Bridge score three. This has been a

0:40:57.780 --> 0:41:01.020
<v Speaker 2>very common conversation around Beck and Bridge over the past

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.570
<v Speaker 2>few years because people think of them and they've marketed themselves.

0:41:03.590 --> 0:41:04.570
<v Speaker 1>Where does Cook Eye sit on this list?

0:41:05.190 --> 0:41:06.630
<v Speaker 2>Oh, my God. I don't know. We might have to

0:41:06.650 --> 0:41:09.410
<v Speaker 2>look it up. But people think of Beckenbridge as like

0:41:09.489 --> 0:41:12.210
<v Speaker 2>quite a, you know, like it's an up there brand.

0:41:12.270 --> 0:41:16.109
<v Speaker 2>It's not cheap. It doesn't really position itself as fast fashion.

0:41:16.469 --> 0:41:19.910
<v Speaker 1>I love some items from Beckenbridge, but then I do

0:41:20.010 --> 0:41:23.010
<v Speaker 1>sometimes look at the tag and think, why the fuck

0:41:23.650 --> 0:41:27.910
<v Speaker 1>am I paying $ 300 for plastic?

0:41:27.910 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 2>100%. And material like this with a hem that would disintegrate. Yeah.

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:34.660
<v Speaker 2>In a second.

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.989
<v Speaker 1>But I do have some Beckenbridge tops. That I've owned

0:41:38.010 --> 0:41:39.609
<v Speaker 1>for years and years and years and will continue to wear.

0:41:41.030 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Bit of a lucky dip, that one. LSKD, Reebok, 2XU,

0:41:46.660 --> 0:41:52.860
<v Speaker 2>score two. Wow. Sea Folly, scored one. Yep. Gander, Stussy,

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 2>White Fox, Windsor Smith, Timu, all scored zero.

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.779
<v Speaker 1>The fact that those brands are in the same category

0:42:00.820 --> 0:42:01.430
<v Speaker 1>as Timu.

0:42:02.300 --> 0:42:05.730
<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm sorry. You do not want your name and

0:42:05.810 --> 0:42:09.660
<v Speaker 2>Timu to be in the same sentence. Okay. You just don't. Okay. Now,

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>this is interesting because under the comments of this Daily

0:42:13.180 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Oz post, the brand LSKD, which as we just heard,

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.760
<v Speaker 2>got a score of two commented from the Instagram account.

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Their comment was quite long, but basically it said something

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.839
<v Speaker 2>along the lines of, thanks for starting this conversation. For

0:42:24.900 --> 0:42:27.450
<v Speaker 2>context on why we ranked so low, we missed the

0:42:27.489 --> 0:42:30.529
<v Speaker 2>chance to take part in the ethical fashion report. As

0:42:30.550 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a result, our score was based on the information that's

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.569
<v Speaker 2>public rather than the full picture. So our promise to

0:42:36.590 --> 0:42:38.790
<v Speaker 2>our community is that we'll have this info live on

0:42:38.830 --> 0:42:42.069
<v Speaker 2>our website ASAP. This is a fail forward moment for us,

0:42:42.150 --> 0:42:45.310
<v Speaker 2>but we welcome the tough questions. It's how we get 1% better. Okay.

0:42:45.330 --> 0:42:47.810
<v Speaker 1>So they're taking accountability for the fact that impartate fully

0:42:47.850 --> 0:42:48.700
<v Speaker 1>in the report.

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Which I really like. And people in the comments were like, wow,

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 2>this is amazing. Thank you so much. Okay. And I

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>really like the idea of failing forward because that's what

0:42:55.940 --> 0:42:59.020
<v Speaker 2>all these brands who are in the low scores, that's

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:00.180
<v Speaker 2>what they need to take this as.

0:43:00.540 --> 0:43:00.940
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:02.340
<v Speaker 2>An opportunity to fail forward.

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:02.820
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:02.900 --> 0:43:04.790
<v Speaker 2>And I... I don't know.

0:43:05.150 --> 0:43:08.089
<v Speaker 1>Someone actually asked me at Melbourne Fashion Week today, what

0:43:08.110 --> 0:43:12.510
<v Speaker 1>does sustainability mean to you? How do you recognise sustainability?

0:43:12.930 --> 0:43:17.730
<v Speaker 1>How do you move forward dressing sustainably and ethically? And

0:43:17.969 --> 0:43:21.299
<v Speaker 1>I was honest as fucking pie. I was like, I

0:43:21.340 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>know this might get me cancelled. I'm very aware.

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.540
<v Speaker 2>So much so that I'm going to repeat it on

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

0:43:28.100 --> 0:43:30.980
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so much so that we're repeating it here. But

0:43:31.420 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Dressing ethically, dressing sustainably has never been part of my vocabulary,

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:38.350
<v Speaker 1>let alone a part of like my model ethics.

0:43:38.750 --> 0:43:39.130
<v Speaker 2>It hasn't.

0:43:39.790 --> 0:43:43.410
<v Speaker 1>That's just me being so fucking honest. It's not because

0:43:43.450 --> 0:43:49.410
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. It's because I have never really thought

0:43:49.469 --> 0:43:53.100
<v Speaker 1>about it the way the conversation is blowing up. It's

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>never really been a part of a conversation that's happened

0:43:55.460 --> 0:43:59.860
<v Speaker 1>in our family growing up. It's never like environmental factors

0:43:59.920 --> 0:44:03.540
<v Speaker 1>have never been something that we've openly discussed. At school,

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't something that when we were in school, we,

0:44:05.580 --> 0:44:09.870
<v Speaker 1>you know, environmental sustainability for us was us learning about

0:44:09.910 --> 0:44:14.569
<v Speaker 1>how to compost. So learning, the education for me around

0:44:14.650 --> 0:44:17.910
<v Speaker 1>fast fashion isn't there. And yes, I can educate myself.

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.700
<v Speaker 1>But the way I try to be sustainable in the

0:44:21.739 --> 0:44:25.710
<v Speaker 1>way that I purchase items is is making sure that

0:44:25.750 --> 0:44:28.830
<v Speaker 1>if I am paying for something, I know fully that

0:44:28.870 --> 0:44:30.930
<v Speaker 1>this is not a one seasonal purchase and I'm wearing

0:44:30.950 --> 0:44:33.250
<v Speaker 1>this multiple times. This is going to be in the closet.

0:44:33.290 --> 0:44:34.570
<v Speaker 1>It's going to stay in the closet. I'm going to

0:44:34.590 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>wear the fuck out of this shirt. I'm going to

0:44:36.660 --> 0:44:42.660
<v Speaker 1>girl math the crap out of my wardrobe. And then recently,

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:46.910
<v Speaker 1>I have been looking at items and looking at what

0:44:46.950 --> 0:44:51.790
<v Speaker 1>is it actually made out of to justify the $ 300, $ 400,

0:44:51.170 --> 0:44:54.529
<v Speaker 1>$ 500 price tag. Because as beautiful as it is and

0:44:54.570 --> 0:44:57.350
<v Speaker 1>as trendy as it might be, and a lot of

0:44:57.430 --> 0:44:59.810
<v Speaker 1>things I actually don't purchase because I'm like, that's just

0:44:59.870 --> 0:45:00.350
<v Speaker 1>a trend.

0:45:00.590 --> 0:45:01.030
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:45:01.090 --> 0:45:03.030
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to need that. Like at the moment,

0:45:03.110 --> 0:45:06.049
<v Speaker 1>bandanas are trending. Everyone's wearing a bandana on their head.

0:45:06.270 --> 0:45:08.850
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you in half a year's time,

0:45:08.910 --> 0:45:12.989
<v Speaker 1>the bandana is going to lose its trendiness and people

0:45:13.050 --> 0:45:14.720
<v Speaker 1>aren't going to wear it for another 10 years. So

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:19.310
<v Speaker 1>like even purchasing that piece of fabric, it's hard. And

0:45:19.350 --> 0:45:22.189
<v Speaker 1>it's something that we can only just work towards being

0:45:22.270 --> 0:45:26.149
<v Speaker 1>better at. That's the only way I'm going to learn

0:45:26.210 --> 0:45:28.330
<v Speaker 1>how to be better and read more into it. But

0:45:29.090 --> 0:45:33.650
<v Speaker 1>I think that, unfortunately, money drives the world. And telling

0:45:33.830 --> 0:45:38.330
<v Speaker 1>companies to stop overproducing, I don't think that it is

0:45:38.430 --> 0:45:43.879
<v Speaker 1>the right method or road to take to improving overproduction.

0:45:44.050 --> 0:45:46.190
<v Speaker 2>Totally. Is that really going to happen?

0:45:46.210 --> 0:45:48.550
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to be able to sustain as a

0:45:48.610 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>business and then they're going to fail, have to go

0:45:50.500 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 1>into liquidation because they're not selling enough to drive their SKUs,

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>to drive their seasons, to drive next seasons, to reinvest

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.940
<v Speaker 1>into the business. Like I understand how the cogs of

0:45:58.980 --> 0:46:02.100
<v Speaker 1>a business works. Is it more important than sustainability in

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.150
<v Speaker 1>our country and our earth? Probably not. But unless it

0:46:05.190 --> 0:46:05.750
<v Speaker 1>has to be.

0:46:07.350 --> 0:46:10.170
<v Speaker 1>A global movement where all the brands take the initiative

0:46:10.210 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>and do the same thing. Imagine though, the thought just

0:46:13.260 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>came into my head, imagine if all brands said or

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>were capped by government laws on like you can only

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:24.180
<v Speaker 1>produce 100 items of every SKU that you make, right?

0:46:24.969 --> 0:46:29.670
<v Speaker 1>Imagine the level of, first of all, the prices will

0:46:29.690 --> 0:46:33.109
<v Speaker 1>be driven up, which we don't want. But the underconsumption

0:46:33.130 --> 0:46:36.070
<v Speaker 1>that will happen will start to make things more trendy

0:46:36.110 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>again and people will start to find their own levels

0:46:38.140 --> 0:46:42.620
<v Speaker 1>of fashion and people will start dressing more individually because

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:44.779
<v Speaker 1>there is a limited amount of supply of the same

0:46:45.020 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking thing.

0:46:46.260 --> 0:46:46.980
<v Speaker 2>I think that's true.

0:46:47.260 --> 0:46:49.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that is a really interesting concept to think about.

0:46:50.219 --> 0:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Will we ever be able to do something like that? No,

0:46:52.820 --> 0:46:55.950
<v Speaker 1>we won't, because money drives the economy, the economy lets

0:46:56.010 --> 0:46:59.130
<v Speaker 1>us live, and the cogs work, so on and so forth.

0:46:59.190 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 1>But if that happened... What we would find is that

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.419
<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't walk on High Street Armadale and go into

0:47:05.500 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 1>every shop and every shop has the same fucking blue

0:47:08.410 --> 0:47:09.110
<v Speaker 1>teal shirt.

0:47:09.730 --> 0:47:10.450
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay?

0:47:10.810 --> 0:47:11.930
<v Speaker 1>This season it's teal.

0:47:11.950 --> 0:47:13.109
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to teal.

0:47:13.150 --> 0:47:14.470
<v Speaker 1>Last season it was chocolate.

0:47:14.590 --> 0:47:15.569
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you know what I mean?

0:47:15.590 --> 0:47:19.110
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone has the same fucking tank top, the same

0:47:19.190 --> 0:47:22.390
<v Speaker 1>pair of jeans, the same this, the same that. No

0:47:22.469 --> 0:47:24.620
<v Speaker 1>one can dress differently. individually now.

0:47:24.900 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that's so interesting what you said about like

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:31.620
<v Speaker 2>the education that you feel like you've, yeah, that has

0:47:31.660 --> 0:47:35.690
<v Speaker 2>been lacking around what sustainable fashion really means. And I

0:47:35.730 --> 0:47:39.629
<v Speaker 2>don't think that we need to be super nerdy when

0:47:39.670 --> 0:47:42.650
<v Speaker 2>we think about sustainability in fashion. I don't think people

0:47:42.710 --> 0:47:45.669
<v Speaker 2>need to go necessarily look at this report and read

0:47:45.710 --> 0:47:47.850
<v Speaker 2>through what brands ethical, I mean, it's a good thing

0:47:47.890 --> 0:47:50.490
<v Speaker 2>to do, but I kind of think there are general

0:47:50.530 --> 0:47:56.930
<v Speaker 2>guidelines that actually Encourage sustainability and more creativity in personal style. Yeah.

0:47:57.010 --> 0:47:59.390
<v Speaker 2>Because I too feel like I'm so sick of walking

0:47:59.410 --> 0:48:01.660
<v Speaker 2>into shops and seeing 50 of the same thing.

0:48:01.700 --> 0:48:03.500
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're starting to find it now with thrifting.

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:07.700
<v Speaker 2>Totally. And I think it's the idea of people going

0:48:07.739 --> 0:48:11.010
<v Speaker 2>shopping in their own wardrobe. Yeah. Try pairing things with

0:48:11.090 --> 0:48:13.529
<v Speaker 2>unusual pieces you wouldn't normally put together. I feel like

0:48:13.570 --> 0:48:15.830
<v Speaker 2>it makes you more creative. It gets more life out

0:48:15.850 --> 0:48:17.270
<v Speaker 2>of your wardrobe and you buy less.

0:48:17.330 --> 0:48:19.910
<v Speaker 1>Well, my best outfits are the ones where someone's like, oh,

0:48:19.910 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>what are you wearing to this event next Thursday night?

0:48:21.820 --> 0:48:23.660
<v Speaker 1>I've got no fucking idea. I'll work it out an

0:48:23.700 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 1>hour before.

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:26.220
<v Speaker 1>I don't panic over outfits.

0:48:26.300 --> 0:48:27.460
<v Speaker 2>Diamonds are made under pressure.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Unless it's a really formal event.

0:48:29.260 --> 0:48:29.380
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:31.700
<v Speaker 1>And even then I don't really panic about outfits. I

0:48:31.739 --> 0:48:34.090
<v Speaker 1>just go in. I'm like, yeah, this looks like maybe.

0:48:34.130 --> 0:48:34.350
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:48:34.390 --> 0:48:34.850
<v Speaker 1>Try it on.

0:48:34.930 --> 0:48:35.410
<v Speaker 2>Nah, let's.

0:48:35.489 --> 0:48:36.310
<v Speaker 1>What about this?

0:48:36.370 --> 0:48:36.569
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:48:36.710 --> 0:48:40.469
<v Speaker 1>Cool. Let's go. Totally. And that's fun. Takes the stress

0:48:40.530 --> 0:48:43.950
<v Speaker 1>out of it. Anyways, that was really interesting. I really

0:48:43.989 --> 0:48:44.430
<v Speaker 1>liked that.

0:48:44.650 --> 0:48:44.969
<v Speaker 2>Me too.

0:48:45.250 --> 0:48:48.230
<v Speaker 1>We endeavour to be better. That's what we're rounding up with.

0:48:48.290 --> 0:48:50.310
<v Speaker 1>We endeavour to be better. And I think it's quite

0:48:50.350 --> 0:48:52.730
<v Speaker 1>vulnerable for me to just say, hey, I'm not sustainable,

0:48:53.170 --> 0:48:53.870
<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to be.

0:48:54.170 --> 0:48:54.310
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:54.750 --> 0:48:56.710
<v Speaker 1>Let's do one Auntie Adele because we've been yapping for

0:48:56.750 --> 0:48:57.049
<v Speaker 1>a while.

0:48:57.410 --> 0:48:58.509
<v Speaker 2>Short and sweet Auntie Adele. Short.

0:48:59.070 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 1>And fucking sweet and straight to the point. We're going

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 1>into our Auntie Adele. I've gone on a trip with

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.860
<v Speaker 1>a guy that I really have no interest in romantically,

0:49:07.900 --> 0:49:10.860
<v Speaker 1>but he's just a nice guy. He keeps asking me

0:49:10.900 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 1>to be his partner and I'm like, no. Why don't

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:15.379
<v Speaker 1>some men understand that when a girl reaches, I can't

0:49:15.420 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 1>speak today, that when a girl reaches her peace, she

0:49:17.660 --> 0:49:20.529
<v Speaker 1>just wants to enjoy friendship, nothing more. Can I say

0:49:20.570 --> 0:49:21.310
<v Speaker 1>something diabolical?

0:49:21.469 --> 0:49:22.270
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

0:49:22.430 --> 0:49:24.150
<v Speaker 1>I don't think friendship between a male and a female

0:49:24.230 --> 0:49:24.770
<v Speaker 1>actually works.

0:49:25.050 --> 0:49:29.700
<v Speaker 2>Really? You're one of those. I like it.

0:49:29.730 --> 0:49:32.190
<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it. I think on a very surface level, yes.

0:49:32.410 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I grew up being friends with a lot of,

0:49:34.590 --> 0:49:36.970
<v Speaker 1>lot of males, a lot of males. And I think

0:49:37.030 --> 0:49:40.610
<v Speaker 1>on a surface level, yes, 100%. To go on a

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>one-on-one solo trip with a male, nah.

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 2>One-on-one solo, that's true. Nah, dog.

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.020
<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about going to the pub. To have

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:50.460
<v Speaker 1>a beer with a group of people.

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:52.590
<v Speaker 2>Like, are they in Hawaii?

0:49:52.610 --> 0:49:55.810
<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean. On the honeymoon package or what? Like,

0:49:56.290 --> 0:49:58.969
<v Speaker 1>going to the pub to see your mate, like, with

0:49:58.989 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 1>a group of people. Chill, man. Of course you can have, like,

0:50:01.860 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>female and male friends.

0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:03.439
<v Speaker 2>No worries.

0:50:03.460 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>We're going to see Gary, Larry and fucking Bob there.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I know them all. We all can, like, share a

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:12.620
<v Speaker 1>beer together. They're all sick cunts, all right? But going

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.060
<v Speaker 1>on a one-on-one date to sit down and have dinner

0:50:15.100 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>with Larry.

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Getting on a plane with Larry.

0:50:17.219 --> 0:50:18.500
<v Speaker 1>Getting on a plane with Larry.

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Getting a couple's massage by the pool with Larry.

0:50:21.610 --> 0:50:26.270
<v Speaker 1>Bob and Adele going to Hawaii together. I mean, Gary

0:50:26.830 --> 0:50:30.410
<v Speaker 1>jumping into the caravan for a little drive.

0:50:30.450 --> 0:50:31.469
<v Speaker 2>Batting his eyelashes.

0:50:31.590 --> 0:50:36.049
<v Speaker 1>Batting his eyelashes. I don't think it's appropriate. I'm just

0:50:36.130 --> 0:50:39.109
<v Speaker 1>saying there is something more there. Whether you want that

0:50:39.150 --> 0:50:42.969
<v Speaker 1>friendship or not, at some point in the relationship, one

0:50:43.090 --> 0:50:46.460
<v Speaker 1>side of that friendship is going to go, wow, I

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:48.779
<v Speaker 1>can imagine myself fucking them one day.

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:49.580
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Lord.

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:52.219
<v Speaker 1>And that's where it, maybe it doesn't end up there

0:50:52.260 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's fine. And it still can be quite like platonic.

0:50:57.100 --> 0:50:59.109
<v Speaker 1>But that's how I feel.

0:51:00.130 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 2>It is very interesting because this person is saying that

0:51:03.530 --> 0:51:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to her it's literally 1 million percent platonic. Yeah. And

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.439
<v Speaker 2>she obviously is feeling frustration around the fact that she

0:51:10.620 --> 0:51:14.060
<v Speaker 2>feels like, why am I able to see a man

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>as a totally platonic relationship? And it seems like men,

0:51:20.260 --> 0:51:23.569
<v Speaker 2>from her experience at least, are totally incapable.

0:51:23.590 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I think it goes both ways. Because I've seen

0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.630
<v Speaker 1>instances before where the man thinks it's totally platonic and

0:51:30.670 --> 0:51:33.870
<v Speaker 1>the woman doesn't. And it's just a case of like

0:51:33.930 --> 0:51:37.290
<v Speaker 1>someone catching a crush. And it doesn't mean that nothing's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. It doesn't mean that something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It just means that there's a little crush there. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's such a hard, it's such a hard

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<v Speaker 1>conversation because like a lot of people disagree with me

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<v Speaker 1>with this. And then they think that like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>have a male friend or a female friend that's an

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<v Speaker 1>opposite sex. I think that you can 100% still be friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but to have that closeness where you're going on a

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<v Speaker 1>one-on-one trip with them, it instigates a level of intimacy

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<v Speaker 1>that you reserve for a partner. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. I think that, like, when you go

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<v Speaker 1>on one-on-one dates or you go on one-on-one holidays, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a level of intimacy that I feel like, well, me

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<v Speaker 1>in myself feel like you should reserve for, like, a

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<v Speaker 1>romantic partner.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless it's in a group situation and all of your

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<v Speaker 1>friends are going out on this holiday and all of your,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're in, you know, all the mates are going

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<v Speaker 1>and it's chill, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are also, there are always exceptions to every rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Like some people out there 100% would have like besties

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<v Speaker 2>from their whole lives and it's a girl and a

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<v Speaker 2>guy and they're besties and that's totally fine. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what are your thoughts around that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like it's case by case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I definitely have really good guy friends, but I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I'm like, would I go on a one-on-one trip

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<v Speaker 2>with them? Probably not. But why? Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. But why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't you go on a one-on-one trip with them?

0:52:58.460 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's say you had two weeks away and you're jumping

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<v Speaker 1>into a caravan.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I probably, to be fair, I probably don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a guy best friend who I hang out with one-on-one

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<v Speaker 2>in that way. But I can use my imagination to think, mate,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if I had a primary, if one of my

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<v Speaker 2>best friends just happened to be a guy. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>there are people out there who have that situation and

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<v Speaker 2>it can be totally platonic. Where are they?

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<v Speaker 1>If you are one of those people, please come forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Please write in.

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<v Speaker 1>Please write in. I'd love someone to actually debate me

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<v Speaker 1>on this because I want to open up my viewpoint

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<v Speaker 1>on this. I really don't want to be so traditional

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<v Speaker 1>in my thinking because And I want to truly believe

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<v Speaker 1>that like a male and a female can be like

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<v Speaker 1>the bestest of friends and there be nothing there on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides. But internally, I just know how women operate

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that that's the case. And also

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<v Speaker 1>I am coming from a point of like I also

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<v Speaker 1>know how men operate and I might just be because

0:53:55.180 --> 0:53:57.899
<v Speaker 1>I'm like fucking traumatized. I don't know. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that like friendship in that capacity can exist without

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<v Speaker 1>any sexual tension.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point of the relationship. It's not to say

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<v Speaker 1>that it won't come to fruition. Anyways, guys, we've been

0:54:07.210 --> 0:54:08.810
<v Speaker 1>yapping and yapping and yapping. We need to round this

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<v Speaker 1>episode up.

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<v Speaker 2>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we need to head on out the door. But

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining us this week. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>loved it. And if you didn't, let us know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>any feedback is good feedback.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, don't let us know. No, we want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>We only want the positive information. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>submit your Auntie Adele's, please feel free to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be doing heaps of holiday episodes with

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<v Speaker 1>Auntie Adele's in the future whilst we're on break. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're slowly starting to record them, which is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in line to be recorded. So if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to include your Auntie Adele dilemma and us sing it

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<v Speaker 1>out to you, in the holiday break, please submit it.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be in the show notes. Other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>we love you and we will see you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.