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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel

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Speaker 1: People of the eur Nation. Hello and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm Joe Hildebrand. That probably

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Speaker 1: didn't need to be said, but I'm saying it anyway

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Speaker 1: because you're here. I'm here, and we've got an absolutely

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Speaker 1: fantastic show lined up. Huge stories this week right across

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Speaker 1: the globe and right here in Australia. What is going

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Speaker 1: on in Europe? A massive upsurge in support for far

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Speaker 1: right parties at the European Union elections. What is going on?

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Speaker 1: Is this Donald Trump taking over Europe? What's going on

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump? He's just given a speech in Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas all about sharks. What is the Trump policy on sharks?

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Speaker 1: I'll reveal that very shortly. And what is going on

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Speaker 1: at Channel nine? Their chair and Peter Costello has been

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Speaker 1: hip and shouldering reporters. I know We've all wanted to

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Speaker 1: do that from time to time. I've had a few

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Speaker 1: politicians wanted to do to me. But you're not meant

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Speaker 1: to follow through, are you. Well. He's fallen on his

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Speaker 1: sword now and we'll find out exactly how that unfolded

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Speaker 1: and why very shortly. But first, the biggest story in

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Speaker 1: Australian politics and daylight. Second is Peter Dutton's bombshell announcement

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Speaker 1: that he is going to drop the Paris Agreement target

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Speaker 1: for twenty thirty. Now, why is this important and why

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Speaker 1: does this matter? Let me explain. Australia and a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of other countries all get together in Paris and

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Speaker 1: they sign this Climate Accord which basically says that they're

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Speaker 1: going to cut emissions by x amount by twenty thirty. Now,

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Speaker 1: the benchmark for cutting these emissions is the output of

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Speaker 1: emissions in two thousand and five, So basically, by twenty thirty,

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Speaker 1: Australia is supposed to have cut what it was emitting

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five by forty three percent. Is

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Speaker 1: it going to actually be able to do this? No way,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. But does this mean we should not still

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Speaker 1: have a target to do it?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Labor says yes. Labor says they might even have a

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Speaker 1: snowflake's chance in hell of actually getting there. But Peter

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Speaker 1: Darton has basically said n if we're not going to

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Speaker 1: reach the target, why bother even having a target? So

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Speaker 1: why does any of this matter? If we all know

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Speaker 1: that we're not going to meet the target in twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: What difference does it make if the target's not there

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Speaker 1: going to get to net zero by twenty fifty, well

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Speaker 1: aren't we all still on the same page anyway? So

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Speaker 1: this Paris agreement is not worth the paper it's printed on. Well,

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Speaker 1: the reason it matters has nothing to do with Paris,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't even have much to do with climate change.

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Speaker 1: What it has to do with is the electoral politics

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Speaker 1: in Australia since the last federal election in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: In short, it's all the fault of the Teals. So

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Speaker 1: when the Teals took over all the inner city or

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Speaker 1: and the bush. When the Teals took all those seats,

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Speaker 1: they said that they were doing it to force the

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Speaker 1: and then they'll listen to us and they'll adopt harder targets,

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Speaker 1: That's a bit like kidnapping someone and demanding a ransom,

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Speaker 1: Because the problem is that now the Liberals don't have

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Speaker 1: In fact, it means that the Liberal Party can shift

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Speaker 1: It knows it's not going to get them back. Instead,

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Speaker 1: kitchen table issues. And Peter Dutton said exactly that to

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Speaker 2: It stays, and we've got a strong commitment to net

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Speaker 1: So far from forcing the Liberal Party to the left

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Speaker 1: And not only have they done it, they've done it

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Speaker 1: with such incredible precision because the biggest victim of the Teals,

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Speaker 1: Everyone knew he was going to be the leader of

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Speaker 1: very very much. And Josh Freedenberg is committed to action

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Speaker 1: was Josh Fredenberg who wrote Malcolm Turnbull's climate change and

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Speaker 1: as a result of all the machinations that followed, Scott

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Speaker 1: of course, Scott Morrison has lost the election in twenty

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Speaker 1: they want. No, he gets killed by the Teals victim

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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton is making ground on my beloved Anthony Albanezi.

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Speaker 1: And it's all because the Teal knocked off Josh Friedenberg

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Speaker 1: And the only reason that is not happening is because

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Speaker 1: all thanks to Simon Holmes of Court and the Teals

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Speaker 1: on climate change if we kill all their MPs, then

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Speaker 1: We thought that once Morrison accepted net zero by twenty

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Speaker 1: that's the timeline of events. We thought the climate wars

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Speaker 1: those seats. So again, the Teals thought that they could

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Speaker 1: this massive snaffoo has now sparked speculation yet again. You

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Speaker 1: and indeed I'm pretty sure that Albo thinks it's a

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Speaker 1: which will mean that people think that everything's getting better,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully give the government the chance to say, look,

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Speaker 1: and now the RBA's cut interest rates. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Forget about the previous fifteen hundred rate rises. Look they're

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Speaker 1: coming down now you're welcome. Thank you boar boys, thank

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Speaker 1: you linesman. So that I think is still the plan,

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Speaker 1: But there is talk that Albanezi will call an early

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Speaker 1: election on climate change. This would be, and let me

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Speaker 1: any of the previous sarcasm. A terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do when people are

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Speaker 1: isn't directly affecting them right now, or if it is,

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Speaker 1: like it's important. As other issues, and this comes up

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Speaker 1: climate change, but it's not a first order issue. The

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Speaker 1: thousands of cheering working class people, Hillary Clinton was hanging

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Speaker 1: out with Beyonce and the Democrats are the ones who

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Speaker 1: are meant to be the party of the worker. When

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Speaker 1: Trump was saying he was going to make America great again,

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Speaker 1: he was telling people what he was going to do

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Speaker 1: for the country. Like the great JFK Said, asked, not

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Speaker 1: what your country can do for you, what you can

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Speaker 1: do for your country. He was flipping that. He was saying, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I'm going to do for you.

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Speaker 1: What was Hillary Clinton's slogan, I'm with her. Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: slogan was you have to pledge allegiance to me. Trump,

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Speaker 1: for all his faults, was pledging allegiance to America and

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Speaker 1: saying he was going to make it great again. So

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Speaker 1: no surprises for guessing who won that election In twenty sixteen. Then,

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Speaker 1: of course, this huge coalition stretching from Bernie Sanders, socialists

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Speaker 1: to Mitt Romney, Republicans and everything in between. Huge coalition

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Speaker 1: of interests all comes out in twenty twenty and votes

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump out, and almost as a side effect of that,

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Speaker 1: votes Joe Biden in, and everyone says, this is it.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's got the biggest ever result in all of

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Speaker 1: American history, the highest number of votes at any US

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Speaker 1: federal presidential election ever in all of history of the

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Speaker 1: oldest and greatest modern democracy. Joe Biden unprecedented number of votes.

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Speaker 1: You know who got the second highest in all of history,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, And they were all just for him. Everyone

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Speaker 1: else was voting against Donald Trump. And then if that

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Speaker 1: had to be for Joe Biden by default, that's okay too.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump got all his votes just for being Donald Trump. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: people didn't seem to think about that too much. I

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Speaker 1: was trying to say, hey, he's still got a lot

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Speaker 1: of votes. Everyone said, oh, the nightmares over, the nightmares over,

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Speaker 1: and now four years later he's back. So that's what

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Speaker 1: you get for playing three dimensional chess with ancient democracies.

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Speaker 1: And that is what France, America's oldest ally, which also

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Speaker 1: became a democracy in seventeen and eight, Well, it became

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Speaker 1: a kind of terrorist state for a while, but it

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Speaker 1: was on the way to democracy. But anyway, I digress

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Speaker 1: point being France is now saying, apparently, if this is

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Speaker 1: mccron's strategy, and it's hard to see any other one,

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Speaker 1: well maybe if we give this far right group, you know,

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Speaker 1: power for two or three years and I make a

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Speaker 1: complete hash of it, we'll just get this out of

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Speaker 1: our system. Well, these guys have a habit of coming back. Meanwhile, America,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have said just needs to get

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Speaker 1: Trump out of its system, and that's exactly what they're

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Speaker 1: going to do. So you've got Trump on the road

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Speaker 1: to power in the US, and you've got la penn

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Speaker 1: on the road to power in France. Again, how did

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Speaker 1: this happen? How is it that all the smartest people

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Speaker 1: in the room failed to see the people power that

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Speaker 1: was propelling these people to the highest officers in their

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Speaker 1: respective lands. Well long before the EU result that shocked

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Speaker 1: the continent, I came across a little story that I

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Speaker 1: thought might offer a clue. In fact, I'd already copied

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Speaker 1: and pasted it and said, you'll have to get the

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Speaker 1: bleep machine ready. This is why they're fucked It was

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Speaker 1: an article that appeared in the New York Times on

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Speaker 1: June nine, and the headline when it was reprinted in

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Speaker 1: the City Morning Herald was culinary diplomacy inside the opulent

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Speaker 1: state dinner Macron held for Biden. And I felt myself thinking,

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Speaker 1: is this really the kind of image that two men

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Speaker 1: supposedly on the progressive side of politics, supposedly for the poor,

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Speaker 1: the working class, that disenfranchised, really want to be projecting

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Speaker 1: to the globe. This is how the article begins. Beneath

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Speaker 1: the crystal chandeliers of the gilded reception hall of the

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Speaker 1: Elisa Palace. Opened in eighteen eighty nine with a party

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Speaker 1: for eight thousand people, French President Emmanuel Macron hosted US

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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden at a state dinner intended to celebrate

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Speaker 1: a very old alliance and demonstrate that the bond is

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Speaker 1: greater than its intermittent frictions. Biden, addressing the French leader

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Speaker 1: as Emmanuel, isn't that his name rose from a long

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Speaker 1: table adored with a bouquet of pink paeonies and roses,

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Speaker 1: to say that quote, France was our first ally and

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Speaker 1: that is not insignificant. He cited a book titled the

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Speaker 1: pocket guide to France that he said was distributed to

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Speaker 1: the American forces who eight decades ago fought their way

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Speaker 1: up the Normandy Bluffs through a hail of Nazi gunfire

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Speaker 1: to wrest Europe from tyranny. And on and on and

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Speaker 1: on it goes. We stand together when the going gets tough,

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Speaker 1: Biden says. And it's here that the author of the

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Speaker 1: article seems to become slightly self aware, seems to realize

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Speaker 1: what is actually happening here, because he goes, and he

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Speaker 1: says the going was scarcely that at a sumptuous dinner

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Speaker 1: served at table set between the fluted columns of a

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Speaker 1: room conceived a century after the French Revolution to project

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Speaker 1: the glory of the Republic beneath golden carriotids and a

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Speaker 1: painted ceiling medallion reading the Republic Safeguarding Peace. Battalions of

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Speaker 1: liveried waiters in white bow ties bearing silver trays, served

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Speaker 1: with impeccable precision, a four course meal accompanied by champagne

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Speaker 1: and a two thousand and six Chateau margo that had

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Speaker 1: taken eighteen years to achieve perfection. Now, if I was

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Speaker 1: a working class person in France reading that, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure there aren't too many working class people who subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the Times. But if I was, that would make

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Speaker 1: me want to start another revolution. That would make me

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Speaker 1: want to storm that building and burn it down. And

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Speaker 1: yet here you have these two progressive leaders of the

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Speaker 1: free world who are engaging in this. And this, remember

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Speaker 1: is just days out before that EU election that shocked

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Speaker 1: the entire continent and much of the world. How where

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Speaker 1: did all these people come from, they wondered. They came,

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Speaker 1: I suspect from seeing scenes like that, reading about things

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Speaker 1: like that, and feeling that their leaders were completely out

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Speaker 1: of touch with their concerns. And again, just days after

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Speaker 1: I copied and pasted that and said, holy crap, this

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Speaker 1: is the worst possible thing, the worst possible image that

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Speaker 1: mccron or Biden could possibly ever want presented of them.

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Speaker 1: Just days after that, both men are now fighting for

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Speaker 1: their very survival. Speaking of images you don't want projected

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Speaker 1: for all the world to see, here's Channel nine chairman

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Speaker 1: Peter Costello pushing a reporter who dared to ask him

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Speaker 1: questions at Canberra Airport about the future of the company.

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Speaker 1: Amid revelations of the poor behavior of a former senior

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Speaker 1: news executive were.

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Speaker 3: You aware of those allegations, mister Costello, why won't you

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Speaker 3: support mister sneezebe publicly good? See, well, you've got to

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Speaker 3: answer the questions, mister mister Castillo. You've just assaulted me,

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Speaker 3: You've just pushed me.

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Speaker 1: It's all on camera.

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Speaker 3: That was quite violent behavior.

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Speaker 1: Mister Cascilla.

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Speaker 3: Journalists who worked for nine approach people in this manner

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Speaker 3: every day. Can you attacked me?

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Speaker 1: Decent? Now? Of course that incident has been poured over

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Speaker 1: and clawed over by every single media organization ad nauseum,

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Speaker 1: including the media organization that Peter Costello was once the

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Speaker 1: chair of. Here's him explaining what happened afterwards at Parliament House.

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Speaker 2: As I walked past him, he walked back into an

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Speaker 2: advertising plant card and he fell over. I did not

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Speaker 2: strike him.

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Speaker 1: If he's upset about that, I'm sorry, but I did

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Speaker 1: not strike him. Now there's plenty that's wrong with that statement,

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Speaker 1: but let's just quickly deal with the basics. Firstly, if

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Speaker 1: the reporter just tripped and fell over by accident, why

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Speaker 1: did Peter Costello stop and laugh and then try to

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Speaker 1: create his own version of events that happened, like articulate

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Speaker 1: it and say what just happened. Secondly, why was Peter

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Speaker 1: Costello saying I did not strike the reporter. No one

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Speaker 1: accused him of striking the reporter. Clearly, what the footage

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Speaker 1: shows is him approaching and then continue to approach until

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Speaker 1: he's making contact with the reporter seemingly with his shoulder,

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Speaker 1: and then pushing him so that he falls onto the ground.

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Speaker 1: And if indeed Peter Costello's version of events is completely

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Speaker 1: correct and the reporter just fell over all by himself,

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Speaker 1: despite what witnesses said and despite what the footage shows,

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Speaker 1: why did Peter Costello suddenly quit as chairman of Channel

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Speaker 1: nine on a Sunday afternoon in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: long weekend. That is not what happens when you've done

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong. But now to someone who really can do

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Speaker 1: no wrong, Donald Trump gave this speech at a rally

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Nevada recently. It was posted on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and it is perhaps the finest oratory of any politician

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Speaker 1: I have ever seen or heard. This is Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: imagining what would happen if he was on an electric

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Speaker 1: powered boat and a shark came along.

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Speaker 2: So I said, let me ask you a question, and

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Speaker 2: he said, nobody ever asked this question, and most because

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Speaker 2: of Mit, my relationship to Mit.

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Speaker 1: Very smart.

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Speaker 2: He goes, I say, what would happen if the boat

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Speaker 2: sank from its weight and you're in the boat and

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Speaker 2: you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is

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Speaker 2: now underwater, and there's a shark that's approximately ten yards

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Speaker 2: over there by the way. A lot of shark attacks lately.

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Speaker 2: Do you notice that a lot of shok I watched

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Speaker 2: some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren't really that

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Speaker 2: angry they bit off the young lady's leg because of

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Speaker 2: the fact that they were They were not hungry, but

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Speaker 2: they misunderstood who she was. These people accuate, he said,

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Speaker 2: there's no problem with sharks. They just didn't really understand

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Speaker 2: a young woman swimming now who really got decimated in

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Speaker 2: other people to a lot of shark attects. So I said,

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Speaker 2: so there's a shark ten yards away from the boat

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Speaker 2: ten yards or here? Do I get electrocuted? If the

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Speaker 2: boat is sinking? Water goes over the battery the boat

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Speaker 2: is sinking, Do I stay on top of the boat

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Speaker 2: and get electrocuted? Or do I jump over by the

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Speaker 2: shark and not get electrocuted? Because I will tell you

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Speaker 2: he didn't know the entry. He said, you know, nobody's

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Speaker 2: ever asked me that question.

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Speaker 1: I said, I think it's.

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Speaker 2: A good question. I think there's a lot of electric

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Speaker 2: current coming through that water. But you know what i'd

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Speaker 2: do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted.

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Speaker 2: I'll take electrocution every single time. I'm not getting near

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: So, to summarize, Donald Trump imagined himself on an electric

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Speaker 1: boat that was sinking and him being trapped underwater with

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Speaker 1: a battery that was about to electrocute him, and his

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Speaker 1: only means of escape was to swim into the water

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Speaker 1: where a shark was approaching. Faced with this dilemma, he

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Speaker 1: decided that he would prefer to stay and be electrocuted.

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Speaker 1: And that is why he is going to be president people,

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Speaker 1: because absolutely every single person would make that exact same decision.

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Speaker 1: The man's a genius. And that's all we have time

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Speaker 1: for today. Thanks so much for listening to the Real Story.

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Speaker 1: If you love what we do, make sure you leave

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Speaker 1: drop me a line On Instagram. My handle is at

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Speaker 1: Joe Underscore Hildebrand and I'll chat to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Take care,