1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Sports Cricket 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: podcast The follow On. I'm coming to you from Perth 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: and today I'm delighted to be joined by renowned in 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Indian journalist and broadcast to Hush and Bagley, a member 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: of the Fox Cricket family for a number of years 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: and no doubt an exceptionally happy man after what we've. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: Witnessed in Perth over the last four days. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us today. 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: Who'd have thought that you'd be in Birth and I'd 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: be in Berth and we'd be doing this podcast at 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: the end of a Test match like that. 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: I left the left. 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Perth Stadium last night, Hasha, and there were Indian fans 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: dancing outside with what is a fabulous stadium across the 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Swan River. And I started walking up Adelaide Terrace and 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: women were weeping, men were hiding their face, Australian fans 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: demoralized by what we'd seen. Und followed over the four 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: days with just a fabulous performers from the Indian captain 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: leading from the front, Jasper Boom with eight wickets, and 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: we see a young starr in Giles while making a 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: fabulous century and the King rising again with another fabulous one. 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: Hundred in Australia. 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: What were your assisments of what unfolded over the four 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: days of Perth Sadium. 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: I must admit that all Indian fans were scarred by 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: what happened against New Zealand. We were aware, though, that 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: strange things happen in Test match cricket. Most times in 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: Test match cricket, if the conditions are normal, the better 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: side tends to win. But we're seeing unusual results. I 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: don't know if this is the manifestation of lesser patients, 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: more white ball influence on Test match cricket. We've been 32 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: talking about it for a while, but we're seeing some 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: results that are running contrary to form, and not just 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: the odd match here and there, three zero there. So 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: I thought, look, India will probably back better in Australia 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: than they would on those turners there. But I didn't 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: budget for the fact that Australia's top order would be 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: fragile too. I mean, the numbers were suggesting that the 39 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: top order was fragile, but in these conditions I didn't 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: expect it to be that much, I thought. But what 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: I loved was old fashioned Test match batting well as 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: Boomra board and I think Boomra opened the game evening 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: of day one. I thought the game really went away 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: from Australia with a combination of leave and defend leave 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: and defend knock a single, leave, defend knock a single 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: if you get a ball, let a four leave. Defend 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: that partnership of two hundred and one between yessb Jaswell 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: and gay Raul, I think that's what made the difference. 49 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: And ye look look on it's five Test matches, so 50 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: I don't think we can take a call on which 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: is the better team till we are headed to Melbourne. 52 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: At least. 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: We seen him score big, big hundreds at home and 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: obviously against that we see these as well on debut. 55 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: To produce that effort against what a lot of people 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: have said is preps the finest quarter head of Australian 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: bowlers in Cummons, Stark, Hazelwood, who I thought was particularly good. 58 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: He was certainly nicely even in the second inning, so 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't leaking with it runs and Nathan Lyon took 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: a couple of wickets as the second and each went on. 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: But to produce that kind of effort when he walked 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: off the celebrations were wonderful, but you also saw the 63 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: admiration from the Perth crowd. 64 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: Husher. It's typically a. 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Pretty tough crowd in Perth for domestic football for example, 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: but they love a winner and they love someone who 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: can bat like you know, can stand up to the Australians, 68 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: and he certainly did that. 69 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: Hey, what I've learned in all my many visits to 70 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: Australia is if you stand up to Australia and play 71 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: well against Australia, they don't resent it. They learn to 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: respect you. And so if you want Ozzie's to respect you, 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: then you stand up and do well on their turf. 74 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: And I could see the excitement they had towards seeing 75 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: this young kid, but there was just a little bit 76 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: of weight and see court and a little bit of 77 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: wait and see because for two reasons. One a lot 78 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: of his runs that come in India and it come 79 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: up from T twenty cricket. This is going to be 80 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: the future. You know, if you start to wait for 81 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: people to come from Shield cricket off and Bradjatra cricket 82 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: into international cricket, you'll wait a long time. The best 83 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: talent and you see how they're hitting a ball or 84 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 3: how largely for batters more than for bowlers. You'll see 85 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: them coming from T twenty and jess Well is a 86 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: ferocious T twenty player. He struggled in South Africa, so 87 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: I was a little care of little skeptical and then 88 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: you know that edge in the first innings. But I loved, 89 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: just love the way he adapted even in the home 90 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: series when the tracks were a little tricky, he was 91 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: showing great patience. So that that is what I enjoyed. 92 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: And when you see someone who who sort of shifts 93 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: or drift drifts really across formats and is able to 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: adapt to both, then you think you've got a special 95 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: player in your midst. I think we've got a special 96 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 3: player in young Yessbach as well. 97 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: Having a chat to Carry. Ok, if your on a 98 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: colleague yesterday. 99 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: You can't have a chat with Carry. You listen. 100 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: He's a man. He's very well researched as well. Is 101 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: he craized research man. 102 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: You look at Gerry and you think, oh, he knows 103 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: a game. Is a funny man. I'll tell you of 104 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: all the people I've worked with in these years, very 105 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: very few sittent research a game and watch a game 106 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: as closely as Kerry does. He gets he gets excited 107 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: watching India Under twelve's Junior Division West Wing City Suburbs 108 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: playing playing a cricket match. So he's fabulous company. So yeah, 109 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: sorry to interrupt, but when you say Kerry, there's so 110 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: many thoughts coming. 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: And he's fabulous company without a doubt. But he was 112 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: also very entertained watching the two openings. Who better than 113 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: exceptionally We'll have him watched at the NCJ. I'm thinking, 114 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: I cannot believe this is the same player as I 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: saw three weeks ago in Melbourne when he looked a 116 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: little confused, but he was saying he was sort of 117 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: watching Cole in occasion, trying to get a glimpse of 118 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: Colie and he thought the line would be licking. 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: His lips at what he saw unfold. 120 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Knowing that this is a pitch with the Straim bowlers 121 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: starting to fatake, I might be faced on so prude, 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: How is that you means for safe make in India? 123 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: Very well? Everything that Coley does is showbiz. Everything that 124 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: Coley does is news. And the reason isn't just that 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: he's Instagram or he's whatever. When Coley is batting, well 126 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: and look, he's one of the great players of our generation. 127 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: When he is batting well, suddenly there's a feel good 128 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: factor around it. Everyone's thinking, oh wow, let me watch 129 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: what we'ret is up to. If we're not struggling, everyone's 130 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: watching to say, oh my god, we'll really come back 131 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: into form. So's he's like he's an eye magnet. Every 132 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: time Verreart comes and you watch and there was just 133 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: people starting to think, oh my god, is he coming 134 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: to the end. A lot will depend on this term, 135 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: but you know what it is we'reat comes to Australia 136 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: and it's almost as if he just sheds what he's 137 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: wearing and puts on what he likes and he enjoys 138 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 3: playing on these pitches. He would be the first though, 139 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: to go up to care Raoul and yes, yes, we 140 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: j as well, because they set it up for him. 141 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: And when the ball got a little softer, when they 142 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: tired a little bit. I know he came in around 143 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: the second new ball. He was around there too, but 144 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: by then the bowlers were tired, so his start was okay. 145 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: There After he had to do everything himself, and I 146 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: thought the last sixty seventy runs were just vintage s Coalie. 147 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: He looked in command. The single was there at his 148 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: at his beck and call, and he just seemed to 149 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: control things looking on the field. Okay, one year, two year, Okay, 150 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: I'll hit one there. This was Coally in command again. 151 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: And if you don't nick him off early's he showed 152 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: today that he's still still a major, major force. 153 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Chapians, you don't like to see star players struggling, necessarily 154 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: because it was a very competitive sport and the price 155 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: of the state the body gave Scotch Trophy is one 156 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: of the sport's greatest trophies. 157 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: Indians watching minus. 158 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Lavishane, both the fans and the actual side that's here 159 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: on our shores and leading one, how do you think 160 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: that'd be assessing Marnus's struggles and what do you think 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: happens with the talented number three who really is and 162 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: run about? I think every team thirtyteen from his last 163 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: ten test in East and that includes a ninety against 164 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: a New Zealand. 165 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: With very good players. You give them a long rope, 166 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: and there's enough from what we've seen in Marnus' career 167 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: to suggest that he's a very good player. So my 168 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: feeling is they'll probably stay with him till Brisbane and 169 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: they'll tell him we're giving you three tests. I know 170 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: it's a very good attack, but we're giving you three 171 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: Test matches and we'll see how you go from there, 172 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: and then maybe we'll take a call if you haven't 173 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: got runs for Melbourne off of Sydney. The interesting thing 174 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: with Australia, and this is something I didn't think I 175 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: would see when I first started coming here so many 176 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: years ago, is you always ask yourself the question, if 177 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: not X, then who. And I think Australian crickets grappling 178 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: with this issue at the moment. If not Smith, who, 179 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: if not Labusha and who? And we just tried playing 180 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: a game the other day and said, okay, take away 181 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: these eleven and form an Australian eleven and Australian eleven 182 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: of people who did not play this test matches but 183 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: test match. But who could challenge? And you could find 184 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: replacements with fast ballers. You could go Michael Nessa, you 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: could go Scott Poland, you could go Spencer Johnson. Maybe 186 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: you could go Todd Murphy. Maybe, so you had you 187 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: had some options that you've got Josh Inglisz, But who 188 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: are your top six batters. And I think that's another 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 3: reason why this set of Australian batters will get a 190 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: slightly longer rope, because there's no one there who's who's 191 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: knocking the door down. He's there, I mean, you know better, 192 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: But he says, someone who's knocking the door down? You 193 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: thought of Sam Constance, maybe Cameron Bancroft, maybe Marcus Harris maybe, 194 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: but is it a Steve Smith knocking the door down there? 195 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: Well, it's an interesting cha chat having discuss it with 196 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: some idea on an experts MA Mike Cassi is a 197 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: view that and understandably thirty one thirty two is not 198 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: too old. Hence Khim, you know, we think it's possible. 199 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: In line for Sri Lanka and his thirty three. He's 200 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: made quite a few run now. 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: You know. I saw I saw Peter Hanscomb bless beIN 202 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 3: in India and I thought he pleaded as well as anybody. 203 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: And then I think he had a very decent county 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: season in England. It was he playing at Leicester. I 205 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: think he might have been playing at Leicester? Was it 206 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: because I was I was following the scores? I don't 207 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: know exactly where and he seemed to be getting runs, 208 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 3: so Peter Hanscomb definitely could be an option, but I 209 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: don't know how he's doing in shield cricket. 210 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one. 211 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: The top ten and you look at the top ten 212 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: and that features McSweeney, English and Alex care at the 213 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: top who are in the Australian squad, and then the 214 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: next sort of three or so include Harris and Hanscomb 215 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: and Hilton Cartwright who has played Test a couple. 216 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: Of Tests back in twenty seventy eight. 217 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: So they tried and trud players who have had their 218 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: chances in the past and haven't quite cemented. We saw 219 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Cameron Bancroft find some form, thankfully for him. We have 220 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: been having a horror run overnight. But we look to 221 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: the supposed to the Adelaie Test next the pink ball, 222 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: the challenges that presents day night, and it seems remarkable 223 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: to consider that it's possible that the Indian team may 224 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: have more changes having come off a record win on 225 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Australian soil. In the Australian team, it is something that 226 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: India does like the horses for courses and picks teams 227 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: that can excel in conditions is that what you is 228 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: that how you assess this one coming up? 229 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: They have a lot of choices, this Indian team and 230 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 3: this selection panel has about thirty five forty players to 231 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: choose from. And you'd imagine that not just with the population, 232 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: but with the amount of young talented IPO is throwing 233 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 3: up and you look at the iPad. Jurel has spared 234 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: a lot of first class cricket, but he got the 235 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: eye in the IPL just well. Spared a lot of 236 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: first class cricket, scored a lot of runs, but suddenly 237 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: you enter the public consciousness with the IPL. So there's 238 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: a lot of players coming from there. And the two 239 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: new ones Knittish Reddy and Harshetrana I haven't played a 240 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: lot of first class cricket, but that is where they've 241 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: come from. So yes, they'd like to go horses for courses. 242 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: I think they were impressed with the with Nitish rending. 243 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: But once they go there, Royd Sharma will come back 244 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: and I see ker Raoul slotting back to what he 245 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: was told a year ago. I think he was told 246 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: a year ago restart life at this level at number 247 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: five or six, So he'll probably go back to six 248 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: slotting in just after the left handed punt, and Rowick 249 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: will come and join you. Jess Well, I think it 250 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: depends thereafter on whether uh schupman Gill's finger is healed. 251 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: If his finger is healed, and if he's had enough nets, 252 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: if he's had enough knocks, then he can come in. 253 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: So I see, unfortunately they have the particle and Drew 254 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 3: Durell going out over there. Then then have to take 255 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: a call on on Washington soon there decide. I mean, 256 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: I thought Hashetrana was impressive? Uh, maybe just those two, 257 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: Maybe just those two. If they think that it's nice 258 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: and hot, it's fairly dry, then maybe ushwin for Washington. 259 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: But that that's something they'll have to decide. 260 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: Both the Australian touch and Captain Andrew McDonald and Pat Cummins, 261 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: who quiz in the last couple of days sys to 262 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: whether or not someone like a Manas should go back 263 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: and play great cricket or should they consider featuring in 264 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: the game coming up in Canberra, the Australia a versus 265 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: India game. They both ruled that out. They said the 266 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: break will be great, they'll get into it a later 267 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: day earlier. But what about from an Indian perspective. Yeah, 268 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: the n r A team we hear in McKay last month. 269 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: They were at the MCG for a four to a game. 270 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: They've excelled in Perth at the Whacker in training clearly 271 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: behind closed soores, but then produced a phenomenal performance at 272 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Perth Stadium. What does Canberra offer. It's quite a little 273 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: fixture in between a tests. What what do do you 274 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: look for there? 275 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: He merily. India will look to see if routs Cherma 276 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: can get among the runs, if rout Cherma can bat 277 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: one hundred balls, one hundred and twenty balls, maybe so 278 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: that that would be objective number one. Objective number two 279 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what the situation that how much. I 280 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: don't think he'll be arriving in time for that. But 281 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: objective number two will be to get the backup seemas 282 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: to tell the selectors I should be playing. And maybe 283 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: a long ball for Ushwin, a longish ball for Ushwan 284 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: because all the other batters have done all right, all 285 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: the other batters have come in the squad runs. Maybe 286 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: a little bit of a head for the shop bunt 287 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,239 Speaker 3: as well, but primarily to see if Royd Chama is betting. 288 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: In you've been a busy man. In fact, I don't 289 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: think there's been a busier man. 290 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: And not only were you covering the test in Perth, 291 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: which provides us challenges when you've come from India and 292 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: timelines etc. But then to have the IPL auction over 293 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: the last two nights, last two nights, this meant some 294 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: talk from the Israelan camp. Daniel Vitty, the bowling coach, 295 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: was you know, based had to be part of that action, 296 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: understandably giving his role in India, but also you look, 297 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: you see teenagers go, thirteen year olds are picked up, 298 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: a couple of Australians and a record even in or 299 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: a record price for pay. It seemed like you had 300 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: everything happening in the IPO option. 301 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: It is, and I think we've slowly start to come 302 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: to terms with the capitalist nature of our sport. We 303 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: look at sport as we enjoy the amateur nature of 304 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: our sport. We like simple, hard working, struggling people playing sport, 305 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: and yet we are okay with English footballers, for example, 306 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: making a lot of money. We're okay with people in 307 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: the movies making a lot of money. And I think 308 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: we slowly start to understand that cricketers too are providing 309 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: entertainment and they're drawing in a lot of money the 310 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: IPL over two months, and Australia doesn't know a lot 311 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: about the IPL because it slipped through the middle of 312 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 3: the night. So I can understand why you look upon 313 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: it as as a big money tournament. It is an 314 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: astonishingly high quality of cricket. But also once you go 315 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: to the IPL, you're with the best coaches, You're surrounded 316 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: by the best players. So for example that there's just 317 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: to take a couple of Ozzie names, there's a Michael 318 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: Hussey who's with the staff at Chennai Super Kings. Now 319 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: I imagine there's a young kid, sixteen seventeen, eighteen year 320 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: old kid who's on the staff, not getting a game. 321 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: He's just watching Michaels, He's just watching all the others. 322 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: He's saying, can I spend half an hour with you? 323 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: Can you watch me bad? Brian Lara was there recently. 324 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: Ricky Ponting and Justin Langer are coaching. There were also 325 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: great coaches from all around the world, not just Australia, 326 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: and so it becomes a wonderful learning environment and that 327 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: is what makes the IPL big. The spectacle is something 328 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: else for two months every evening, India does nothing but 329 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: watch cricket and as a result, the television rights and 330 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: go for a lot of money. A lot of brands 331 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: believe that if we have to have a launch anytime 332 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: in March April May, we have to be on the IPL. 333 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: It's like the Super Bowl. Do you release your best 334 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: advertising on the Super Bowl? Yes, you do. You release 335 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: your best campaigns on the iples. So people actually create 336 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: advertising campaigns, marketing strategies all around the IPL. And so 337 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: the television rights is huge. I mean, I don't know 338 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: how many people in Australia followed that, but the current 339 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: television right cycle is six point two billion US dollars 340 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: over five years, and so there's a lot of money 341 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: going to the franchises. So the purses are getting bigger. 342 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: And if the purse gets bigger than the bunny you 343 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: have available to play to the players becomes bigger. So 344 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: I think, in our minds slowly and I'm having to 345 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: do it myself. We have to recalibrate what is a 346 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: good income for players? 347 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: What were you personal highlights and were there are a 348 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: couple of surprises for you from that option? 349 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: Yet there always are surprises because there are ten teams, 350 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: there's a limited amount of money. Everyone's done a lot 351 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 3: of research. A lot of us think they just sit 352 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: there and pick names out of I had. There's a 353 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: lot of research, a lot of simulation. They play out 354 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: garthsm They say, if I pick this guy, what's the 355 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: other guy likely to do? So, in spite of that, 356 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: with the dynamics of the auction, they will always be surprises. 357 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: I thought both Rischarp and Schurfs would go for a 358 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: lot of for a high price, did not expect that 359 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: it would go that high. So that was one surprise. 360 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: Veggattishire heard hitting batter bowls a little bit even for 361 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: at least twice of what I thought he would, And 362 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: that happens to one or two players every year. When 363 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: that happens. You just called him up and said, enjoy, 364 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: enjoy this the fact that fate has smiled on you. 365 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: I among the overseas players, because a lot of the 366 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: Indian players went for a lot of money. There wasn't 367 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: enough available on day two in the purse to be 368 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: able to buy overseas players, so a lot of very 369 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: good overseas players went for bargain prices. The one that 370 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: surprised me was Jake frasermcgerg and I think it's a 371 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: big punt on a young kid. If he does well, 372 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: then you've got him for three years. But also he'd 373 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: have a lot of good coaches around him as soon 374 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: as he's picked. I can assure you right now the 375 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 3: team management and Deli would be in touch with him 376 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: saying what are you going to do over the next 377 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: three months. How can we make if you're a better 378 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: radio player when you come to India to play the IPO. 379 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: He's a young man in his prime. 380 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: Tomorrow is a November twenty seven is a day of 381 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: I suppose remembrance for Australian cricket and also and also 382 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: for cricket around the world. And it's it's the ten 383 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: year anniversary of the of the death of Philip Hughes, 384 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: who played twenty six Tests for Australia three centuries seven fifties. 385 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: There's mean lots of lovely words I suppose spoken and 386 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: written in the last couple of weeks in Australia because 387 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: he meant I think so much, but just in doing 388 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: a lot of reading. It was also the links to 389 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: some of the Indian champions and we talked about for 390 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: at Kohli before and we know that he was there. 391 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Ravi Shastri, who you're on air with Fox Cricket. He 392 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: was also in attendancy in Maxville for Phillip's funeral. It 393 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: was quite an extraordinary scene leading into the Bordagaviscar trophy. 394 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: Hair. 395 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: Philip was received in India and US by some of 396 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: the regulations there. If you're said that he made him 397 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand and night and he had great respect, 398 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: that they got on very well at a camp. 399 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: As young men. 400 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: How do you think this sort of anniversary will be 401 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: remembered in India or by the Indian. 402 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: Team or by anybody around the world. Courtney remembered with sadness, 403 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 3: remembered with the awareness of what can happen tomorrow, of 404 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: how life is just so fleeting. I think it changed 405 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: a lot of people. It changed, for example, the view 406 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: of someone like Brendan McCallum who was playing a Test 407 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: match far away in Charger and he said, what is 408 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: life about? What is pressure? I think we play cricket 409 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: to enjoy ourselves. I think it affected a lot of people. 410 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 3: I can imagine it probably affected people here more. But 411 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: you know our cricket community, for all the divisions within 412 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: our ranks and for all the fandom where we stand 413 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: arried against each other, we are actually one giant community. 414 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: And when something happens, everybody is there for everybody else. 415 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: The outpouring of grief and then affection and love was 416 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 3: all over the world, and it wasn't just in our 417 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: traditional cricket playing countries. Do you remember the photographs coding 418 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: if people putting their bats out and they were unconnected, 419 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: people just feeling like saying, one of us has moved on, 420 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: and we want to show our affection for one of us, 421 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: and so it's a beautiful thing. In grief, we saw 422 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 3: beauty and we realized that we are actually shown of 423 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: everything else. We are one giant community. It was I mean, 424 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: it should not happen. It just cannot happen. But in 425 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 3: India we tend to be a little more fatalistic and 426 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: we say, if it's in your stars, what a pity, 427 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: what a pity? I mean, I don't know where his 428 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 3: career would have gone, but that is completely irrelevant. He 429 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: was a young kid, happy in the private life. What 430 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 3: did he want to do more than anything else, apart 431 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: from maybe building a farm was to play cricket. 432 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate your refling on that harsher just before 433 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: we let you Let you go and enjoy the rest 434 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: of the fine day. In Western Australia, there's another series 435 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: about to start and you talked about Brendan mcallum there 436 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: the New Zealand sorry, the New Zealanders and the English coach. 437 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot discussed about tactics and employees 438 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: from England over the last couple of years in Test cricket. 439 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: As India were being surprised at home not too far away, 440 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: England was getting a great shock as well, or perhaps 441 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: a reality checking in Test cricket. Now they head to 442 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: New Zealand to play a series. How do you think 443 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: that will unfold? Michael Vaughan, you your co commentator and 444 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: other Fox from Get Expert, has said that he worries 445 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: about their ability to adapt to games, that the baseball 446 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: situation is too too far. You know, they need to 447 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: be able to temper the tone, perhaps take the foot 448 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: off the accele ot of times. What's your assessment of 449 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: a this series just gone, but also what's to come 450 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: for England in New Zealand and obviously with ramifications potentially 451 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: for the World Tests shaping shit funnel. 452 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 3: There is one place England should adapt to seamlessly. You'd 453 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: believe it is New Zealand because it'd be a little 454 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: it won't be as hot as anywhere else. There'd be 455 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 3: a little bit of seam nip swinging around in the wickets. 456 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: So you'd imagine if there was, if you had, if 457 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: you had to replicate England, far far far away from home, 458 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: the closest you would come is New Zealand. I can 459 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: see what Brendan McCollum is doing, and I can see 460 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: why cricket has become so I catching in the manner 461 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: they're playing it. But eventually you play cricket match to win. 462 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: And one of the great things about Test match cricket, 463 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 3: and that's the reason we're all we're all pilgrims almost 464 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: we all go out and search for the temple that 465 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 3: our Test cricket is, is that you learn to play 466 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: in different situations. Some days life throws a curveball at you. 467 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 3: You don't just back up and go and jump off 468 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: a cliff. You say, right, the life's thrown a curveball 469 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: at me, What do I do now? Cricket is about 470 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: that all the time. Oh, the conditions are favoring the bowlders, 471 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: what do I do now? Because if eventually I've scored 472 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: enough runs to win, if the approach is I will 473 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: take the aggressive approach and throw the bowlers off, so 474 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: be it. But Test cricket is all about adapting to 475 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 3: the conditions, exactly what we saw at Perth with Jay 476 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 3: swallen Raul and what we saw with Boomera with the 477 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: lens that he was bowling. So I'd like to see 478 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: that because I think I think England are exciting, but 479 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: I think they let themselves down sometimes in their sheer 480 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 3: urge to be aggressive. It's a very thin line between 481 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 3: being aggressive and reckless. Sometimes. I got the feeling in 482 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: India when they came across that maybe they were just 483 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: being carried away by the approach rather than by the 484 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: eventual endeavor, which is to win a game. So but 485 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: haank on. They're making cricket wonderful to watch, so you 486 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: never know. I would like to see them adapt. I'd 487 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: like to see them grind sometimes because that is what 488 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: Test cricket is is really about eventually, and. 489 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: You see on the show the two Test series East 490 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Australia in late February March that were exceptionally competitive, that 491 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: were very very tight, and that we're very tough in 492 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: India as well. Good cricket can be just watching tough 493 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: teams test great opposition. 494 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: I have nothing but the highest admiration for the way 495 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: New Zealand plays sport play cricket. I don't follow rugby 496 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 3: as much, but I've loved the way they play cricket 497 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: because they are a team with very few resources. How 498 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: many players are available to play for New Zealand and 499 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 3: so at all times they must make the most of 500 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: what they have. And I look at them and I 501 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: see simple, humble, hardworking people trying to give off their 502 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: best and that is an admirable way to live life. 503 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: And that's why I have enormous admiration for the way 504 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 3: New Zealand play cricket. They just hang in there. They 505 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: won't give you an easy game. I mean, at the 506 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: end of the game, they show you a lot of respect. 507 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: They seem to be good, decent, hardworking people. So they're 508 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 3: always liked New Zealand players. How that translates into how 509 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: they play I don't know what I think it should 510 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: be a close series. I think England should genuinely believe 511 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: that they can go there a minute. 512 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: Look, I have to say thank you so much Asha 513 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: for joining us today on the follow on. Your insights 514 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: have been invaluable. It's been fascinated to listen to you 515 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: through the first Test in Perth to provide us great 516 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: insights into what's going on in Indian cricket. A lot 517 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: more to come this summer, four more Tests, an Australia game. 518 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: We have the Indian women arriving for a one day 519 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: series against the Australian Women early in December as well. 520 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: So much look forward to. But thanks so much for 521 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 2: your time. 522 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 3: As always, Jes goodly