Speaker 1: Tobias John Morrison. Welcome back to the You Project, your
Speaker 1: big stud.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Craig Harper, Craig Anthony Harper. It's awesome to
Speaker 2: me back. It's been been about a year since we
Speaker 2: did our last interview.
Speaker 1: It's been a hot minute, bro. How are you? What
Speaker 1: is going on? How is life? You're you're producing docos,
Speaker 1: You're healing people all over the world, You're solving problems,
Speaker 1: your bloody connecting all good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been it's been a busy year.
Speaker 2: So my company, Sefer's Health, We've been helping a ship
Speaker 2: ton of people all around the world. We're helping now
Speaker 2: people in seventy eight countries. I think last time I
Speaker 2: spoke to you, maybe we're in the forties. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: reaching countries that I've never heard of before.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what give me one country that you
Speaker 1: went fuck, I've never heard it.
Speaker 2: I don't even know the name of it. It's like
Speaker 2: it's done with a Z. It's I had to ask
Speaker 2: one of my team members the other day.
Speaker 3: I was like, Ambia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's that. I think it's Zambia. I
Speaker 2: can find out there. We've got like a channel of
Speaker 2: like the country, like the different countries that we help
Speaker 2: people in because we can't keep up with it.
Speaker 3: And it's just like.
Speaker 2: All these different flag flag colors I've never seen before,
Speaker 2: and it's pretty it's pretty mind blowing because like we
Speaker 2: obviously we're in an English speaking program. We help people
Speaker 2: specifically with chronic fatigue syndrome, and like there's so many
Speaker 2: people in our program which English is their second speaking language,
Speaker 2: and like it's pretty courageous to like go through something
Speaker 2: like chronic fatigue syndrome and then get help in a
Speaker 2: second speaking language. I just like it blows my mind.
Speaker 2: And I can't even speak a word of French and
Speaker 2: here's French. People are asking me questions in English, trying
Speaker 2: to get help with with their life, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's very courageous.
Speaker 1: I think, Well, it also shows that how I don't
Speaker 1: know what it shows, but I think maybe it shows
Speaker 1: that one it's really needed, and two people are you know,
Speaker 1: it's like if the best help that they can get
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to be in their first language, they're
Speaker 1: still going to go for it. And it means, you know,
Speaker 1: without blowing smoke up your us, you must be if
Speaker 1: you're in seventy countries, seventy eight countries. It means you're
Speaker 1: doing something good, you know, And it's like that giddy
Speaker 1: up like we go into in the last month, we
Speaker 1: went into ninety countries. It's a different thing because this
Speaker 1: is just people listening to a free podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you've actually got members and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's lazy. Yeah, And how think about when you and
Speaker 1: I met, dude, like and we're just hanging out at
Speaker 1: harper Is on the pan Highway and you're about fucking
Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I knew, I knew fuck all,
Speaker 1: we were just both making.
Speaker 2: That's not true, that's not true. You you were my
Speaker 2: you were my inspiration. A funny story the moment I
Speaker 2: actually met you, I'd known you for a long time,
Speaker 2: and I read all your books and I actually printed
Speaker 2: out every single blog article that you wrote. Back in
Speaker 2: the day when blogs were cool, that was the thing.
Speaker 2: Like now it's this it doesn't exist anymore. But blogs
Speaker 2: were like crazy popular back then, and yours was really
Speaker 2: really popular. And I remember going, I need to speak
Speaker 2: to this guy, and so I called Harper's Gym when
Speaker 2: I was like eighteen, and I was like, I had
Speaker 2: a dream. I had a vision of exactly what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do. I wanted to make sure that, you know,
Speaker 2: no one with chronic fatigue syndrome had to suffer like
Speaker 2: I did alone. And I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 2: there was practical help in the world for people with CFS.
Speaker 2: And so I called you and your assistant answered, and
Speaker 2: I said, hey, you know, please talk to Craig uper like,
Speaker 2: not knowing that you had a full book of clients
Speaker 2: that you're seeing every day and all that. Anyway, somehow
Speaker 2: I got on to you like you called me back eventually,
Speaker 2: and you gave me a couple of minutes of your time,
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, he said, what do you
Speaker 2: want to do, Champ? And I said, I just want
Speaker 2: to I want to be like you, but I want
Speaker 2: to be like you specifically for people with chronic fatigue syndrome.
Speaker 2: And you said, oh, yeah, cool, what degrees do you have?
Speaker 2: I said, oh, no, I haven't even finished school yet.
Speaker 2: And you just laughed and you're like, oh, listen, Champ,
Speaker 2: just you know, go finish school and go to university
Speaker 2: and then give me a call when you done. And
Speaker 2: four years later, I was at a cafe in Hampton
Speaker 2: and I walked in.
Speaker 3: I forget what it was called.
Speaker 2: It's the place I used to see that every day.
Speaker 2: And I see you and I'm like, I almost got
Speaker 2: stage front. I was like, oh my god, that's that's
Speaker 2: the guy. That's Craig Harper. And I went to the
Speaker 2: urinal and I'm standing at the urinal just like taking
Speaker 2: a WII and I'm thinking to myself, I've got to
Speaker 2: talk to him, like I've got it.
Speaker 3: I've got it.
Speaker 2: This is my moment, you know, like I've got to
Speaker 2: at least say high and so doray.
Speaker 3: I wash my.
Speaker 2: Hands and I come out of the urinal and I
Speaker 2: walked straight up to you and Johnny, which was your
Speaker 2: right hand man at the time, both bald headed, shaved,
Speaker 2: you know, thick, strong men.
Speaker 3: And I put my hand down.
Speaker 2: I was like Craig Harper and he said yeah. And
Speaker 2: I said, hey, I don't know if you remember me,
Speaker 2: but I'm the guy that called you six years ago
Speaker 2: telling you that I wanted to be like you but
Speaker 2: for people with chronic for Te syndrome. And you said, oh,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if you remember it or not,
Speaker 2: but you said you did, and he said, yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember what are you doing now, I said, I'm doing
Speaker 2: exactly that I've been, you know, helping people with chronic
Speaker 2: ferte syndrome. I'm writing a book and this I think
Speaker 2: I was two four at the time, and it's pretty
Speaker 2: crazy to think, like it's been a long time since then.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty seven now, so that's like seventeen years has
Speaker 2: gone by. And then I got to work under your
Speaker 2: you know, your facility for a few years, which was
Speaker 2: just amazing. And so now I've got a team of
Speaker 2: twenty four all around the world. We're helping thousands of people.
Speaker 2: We've got a headquarters now in nursa. I'm getting shimmers
Speaker 2: down my spine. We're just through at least a documentary.
Speaker 2: It just feels good. It feels really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Madam, And I don't say things I don't mean,
Speaker 1: like I'm super proud of you, and I know everybody
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be part of our catch up, but
Speaker 1: we don't talk much. And we literally spoke for one
Speaker 1: or two minutes before we started recording, and I went,
Speaker 1: rather than do a debrief, let's just catch up on air.
Speaker 1: And what we will talk about, you know, I think
Speaker 1: because it's it's real and it's organic, and it's not
Speaker 1: you know people kind of knowing people connect with that more.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking when you said when you said
Speaker 1: about the blog, I went, fuck, I haven't thought about
Speaker 1: the blog, but yeah, you're right back in the day.
Speaker 1: This blows people away. Now, this is not I'm not
Speaker 1: putting Mayo on this. Everyone. I had eighty thousand subscribers,
Speaker 1: and what that means is every time I wrote a
Speaker 1: blog post, that would go to eighty thousand inboxes. So
Speaker 1: eighty thousand people were email at subscribers. So if I
Speaker 1: was doing an event in Melbourne, I never needed to
Speaker 1: advertise or brand or market or pay any money or
Speaker 1: anywhere because I had so many subscribers. And I remember
Speaker 1: one day I was heading up to Sydney. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this story, but I was heading
Speaker 1: up to Sydney for a speaking gig. And so just
Speaker 1: in the morning I said, hey, everyone, I'm doing a
Speaker 1: gig today. I'm standing in Sydney tonight. I finished my
Speaker 1: gig late so I'm going to be down in the
Speaker 1: foyer of I forget I forget the name of the hotel,
Speaker 1: but it's right there on the harbor. And I said
Speaker 1: I'm going to be down in the foyer at seven o'clock,
Speaker 1: and if one of you turns up, or five or
Speaker 1: ten of you turn up, I'm going to coffee with you,
Speaker 1: or a diet coke with you, or you can drink
Speaker 1: a beer. I don't drink whatever the fuck, and we're
Speaker 1: just hanging out and talk shit for an hour. And
Speaker 1: this was a thing that used to happen quite a
Speaker 1: log a lot with blogs where you do basically meetups,
Speaker 1: they'll call meetups. So I'm up in my hotel room.
Speaker 1: I'm just fucking around and I'm like, oh shit, it's
Speaker 1: three minutes to seven, i'd better get down. Probably no
Speaker 1: one will come, but fuck.
Speaker 3: It, who cares.
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty people turned up.
Speaker 3: You're kidding? Yeah, you had.
Speaker 2: Your engagement was like by the way, like now like
Speaker 2: it's normal to have an email list, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's not normal for everyone to open that email anymore,
Speaker 2: you know, because everyone's getting bombarded with emails. But back then,
Speaker 2: I reckon your your open rate would have been like
Speaker 2: ninety percent, so like like seventy thousand people would actually
Speaker 2: read your stuff.
Speaker 3: Like you had.
Speaker 2: Your engagement was insane because no one else was doing
Speaker 2: it like you were one of the only blogs. I
Speaker 2: think it was you and Leo Baptu who had then something.
Speaker 2: There was only a couple of you guys around the
Speaker 2: world that was doing it at that scale. It was
Speaker 2: pretty It was life changing for me, like the content itself.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm so proud to ship out so
Speaker 2: much free work in our world that we do as well,
Speaker 2: because you know, free trainings and resources can be life changing,
Speaker 2: just like your blogs were for me. You know, one
Speaker 2: of the things I'm so proud of about this new
Speaker 2: documentary is it's free of charge. Cost us over one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars to produce, but it's totally free.
Speaker 3: For any person who listens to it. And that feels
Speaker 3: pretty good too.
Speaker 1: Tell people what it's called and where to find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the documentary is called Freedom Healing from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Speaker 2: It's really it's intent was designed for the people of
Speaker 2: the world who are suffering.
Speaker 3: And so if you're.
Speaker 2: Going through chronic fatigue syndrome where you know someone who is, like,
Speaker 2: one of the biggest problems is the isolation and mistreatment,
Speaker 2: you know, the silence of the medical industry. First and
Speaker 2: foremost and then the family and friends who just don't
Speaker 2: understand what the hell is going on with someone who
Speaker 2: has got chronic fatigue. And so we you know, the
Speaker 2: thing that we really made purposeful was that it's about
Speaker 2: the people. It's about hope, it's about understanding, it's about awareness,
Speaker 2: and so that's what the documentary is all about.
Speaker 3: It's not about our actual.
Speaker 2: Program that you know, the thousands of people in the
Speaker 2: seventy eight countries have joined.
Speaker 3: It's not about that.
Speaker 2: It's more about building awareness of like what chronic fetite
Speaker 2: syndrome actually is, how it affects people. And then also
Speaker 2: we showcase, you know, a bunch of different recovery stories
Speaker 2: of all ages from zero to ten, all the way
Speaker 2: up into people in the eighties. Just so no matter
Speaker 2: who you are, awhere you're at, you can watch that
Speaker 2: and go well, with Janet from Hawaii who's eighty four
Speaker 2: can get better, then maybe I can too. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a short film. It's twenty it's twenty minutes long.
Speaker 2: It's now available on YouTube at sipa's Health on our
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, which is great tens of thousands of views
Speaker 2: or in the last couple of days and just some
Speaker 2: really nice comments like oh my god, my mum watched
Speaker 2: this and like now she finally understands me more, and
Speaker 2: like we've had a conversation about it. You know, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I've been crying for the last twenty minutes
Speaker 2: because finally I feel seen and heard. You know, I've
Speaker 2: been struggling for thirty years and the doctor's just told
Speaker 2: me I was making this up. Like there's so many
Speaker 2: stories like this, and for me, that was the driver.
Speaker 2: You know, when I worked three years ago, when I
Speaker 2: woke up one morning and I was like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to create a documentary, Like I just like woke up
Speaker 2: and thought it'd be easy, and I thought it'd be.
Speaker 3: A three week process. It took three years. It is.
Speaker 2: It is a lot of work, even a twenty minute documentary.
Speaker 2: It's like it is insane how.
Speaker 3: Much work it's like takes to get a film out.
Speaker 3: But I'm glad I did it anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also to produce something that's you know,
Speaker 1: high quality, great content, great editing, great visual, great audio,
Speaker 1: great people like great messaging, like something that's a valuable
Speaker 1: tool for people that you know that's going to just
Speaker 1: live in cyber space. For the next however, many decades,
Speaker 1: right where people can go back to It's not like
Speaker 1: oh I did a workshop, now everyone's gone home and
Speaker 1: that disappears into the ether. Like this is a thing
Speaker 1: that'll live on. And the thing is, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything that you do, that you do for the first time,
Speaker 1: you build knowledge, skill, awareness, understanding, competence, and so if
Speaker 1: you ever do another one, it'll be which we will. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be a different process you'll do. You'll know exactly
Speaker 1: what not to do and what to do, and then
Speaker 1: by the time you do your tenth one, you'll be
Speaker 1: a fucking And I've watched it. It's great. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, oh it was good. I'm not saying, oh
Speaker 1: it was a pretty it was fucking great. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I love the way it was done, and it was
Speaker 1: it's world class. It's very good. Right, But it's it's
Speaker 1: like everything you know, it's like, how do you get
Speaker 1: good at making documentaries? Well, not by reading a book.
Speaker 1: You get good.
Speaker 2: You've got to be in the fire exactly, Yeah, you got.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't get good at what you're not
Speaker 1: actually doing. Yeah, you want to do your research and
Speaker 1: you want to talk to people, and you want to
Speaker 1: plan and you want to prep and you want to
Speaker 1: optimize everything.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, you can't build.
Speaker 1: A skill by avoiding the thing that builds skills. So
Speaker 1: you know, well done, mate. I loved it. It's amazing
Speaker 1: and I'm proud. I'm proud of you. You know that.
Speaker 1: But and you don't need that from me, But I don't.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. Maybe it's an Australian male thing,
Speaker 1: but dudes don't tell tell their mates that we're out
Speaker 1: of it. We don But I'm super proud of you.
Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, what's it like, you know, being apart
Speaker 1: from apart from helping all of these people and and
Speaker 1: doing the great things that you're doing, you know, medically
Speaker 1: and psychologically and sociologically with your your team, But what's
Speaker 1: it like leading a team of people? Because you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of almost your business is like an intersection
Speaker 1: of like purpose and a humanitarian project and business because
Speaker 1: you've still got to pay bills and you've still got
Speaker 1: to everyone's got to feed their kids, and it's not
Speaker 1: like you've got you know, you and Brian and Sally,
Speaker 1: who are two part timers, you've got twenty four staff
Speaker 1: and I bet that's been a steepish learning curve.
Speaker 3: I actually love it.
Speaker 2: It's the thing that drives me the most now, so
Speaker 2: because the way I look at it, I've been doing
Speaker 2: this way for a long time, you know, just like
Speaker 2: you and your field. You know you've done it way
Speaker 2: longer than me, don't you know. If not telling you
Speaker 2: how old you are, but you know you've champ exactly.
Speaker 2: But you know you said the same things over and
Speaker 2: over for seventeen years. It's it's repetitive the results, and
Speaker 2: never you do things with the result, right, So when
Speaker 2: you see someone get their life back or they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, Toby, I went from being
Speaker 2: in a wheelchair and not being able to leave my
Speaker 2: home to traveling the world and falling pregnant when my
Speaker 2: doctor said I couldn't fall pregnant. You know, like they're
Speaker 2: the things that make you tear up and go, this
Speaker 2: is worth it. But on the daily level for me,
Speaker 2: my team and my why because and it's probably a
Speaker 2: personal development thing that I probably learned from you many
Speaker 2: years ago, is like I get off on seeing other
Speaker 2: people grow, and when you see them, you know, they're
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit timid, they don't have that
Speaker 2: much confidence, and then a year later they're like they
Speaker 2: own the stage. You know, they know exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 2: My general manager's been with me for she's been in
Speaker 2: this role for I think three years now, and it
Speaker 2: feels like we've been together for thirty years, you know,
Speaker 2: working together. Her evolution is just insane and like every
Speaker 2: new level is a new devil. And it kind of
Speaker 2: like the way business works is like when you grow,
Speaker 2: it just creates more bottlenecks, and then your job is
Speaker 2: to solve that bottleneck in the moment that ultimately getting
Speaker 2: the way of, you know, doing the job that you're
Speaker 2: supposed to do, which is to help people get their
Speaker 2: life back. But when you've got twenty fourteen in so
Speaker 2: many different departments, there's a lot of moving pieces. And
Speaker 2: this is what people don't know about running a purpose
Speaker 2: driven business. It's it's not about numbers, you know, at
Speaker 2: the first sight. You know, it's not like a real
Speaker 2: estate company where it's like, all right, if we sell
Speaker 2: this house for this much, this is how much we get.
Speaker 3: It's like, first of.
Speaker 2: All, how can we make the biggest impact in the world,
Speaker 2: Because that's why we started this whole thing, and how
Speaker 2: can we keep that intent this whole way through as we.
Speaker 3: Grow and help more people.
Speaker 2: And so I'd liken it to like a horse and
Speaker 2: like we've had to rain the horse in and hold
Speaker 2: that horse for dear life sometimes and just really pull
Speaker 2: it in, because for me, I would rather have a
Speaker 2: higher quality service than to help more people at a
Speaker 2: shittier rate and get shittier results. And so one of
Speaker 2: my weird goals or I guess intentions, is I want
Speaker 2: to be able to walk into any coffee shop in
Speaker 2: the world and someone come to me and say, Toby Morrison,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your work had changed my life.
Speaker 3: Versus I could probably help one.
Speaker 2: Hundred thousand more people right now, but at a much
Speaker 2: lower quality rate, and therefore people would be upset, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't feel like they got value. And for me, it's
Speaker 2: not worth any price for that, Like I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: So so you're talking about in a way, you're talking
Speaker 1: about when to grow and expand, or when to open
Speaker 1: my doors, when to keep them closed for the money,
Speaker 1: you got it? Yeah, And timing, Like there's timing, there's
Speaker 1: practical stuff.
Speaker 3: There's reading, timing is everything.
Speaker 2: So this documentary was ready two years ago, so it's
Speaker 2: been it's been held for two years.
Speaker 3: Because we weren't ready to release it.
Speaker 1: That's so what happened that you went now is the time.
Speaker 3: Readiness for the team.
Speaker 2: So like, this documentary is going to reach hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of people as soon to be millions, and we
Speaker 2: can't have an influx of a thousand people if we
Speaker 2: don't have a solid team to support those people. And so,
Speaker 2: you know, naturally, because the word gets out and more
Speaker 2: people are finding our work around the internet and they
Speaker 2: come to us and like, hey, you know, I want
Speaker 2: to get your services. And it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: we need to have a department in every area, Like,
Speaker 2: for instance, just recently, we just introduced individualized accountability and
Speaker 2: support coaching throughout their entire journey.
Speaker 3: Before that didn't exist.
Speaker 2: They only had access to group coaching calls, right, And
Speaker 2: so you know, there's been pivotal key decisions over time,
Speaker 2: and it's all based off integrity. Like it's just like,
Speaker 2: all right, what's the what would integrity say? Integrity wou say, well,
Speaker 2: these people need one on one support and coaching Okay,
Speaker 2: how can you make that work?
Speaker 3: And then we've got to.
Speaker 2: Figure out how can we make it work. Then we've
Speaker 2: got to train the people. We've got to create a
Speaker 2: curriculum and a program to train the team to make
Speaker 2: sure they're world class. They're supported, but they can also
Speaker 2: support the team. But you know what's really cool, like
Speaker 2: that question of like what's it like with the team.
Speaker 2: One of our team members, Lauren Gmarco in America, in
Speaker 2: New York, because we have a team all around the world, England,
Speaker 2: New York, you know, everywhere. She quit her corporate job
Speaker 2: of twenty years to come across to Sefa's Health. She did,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of our people who work for Sefa's Health
Speaker 2: now did our program, got better, got their life back,
Speaker 2: went to do their own expertise, and then I brought
Speaker 2: them in at a certain time when I felt like
Speaker 2: it was the right right thing for that person. So
Speaker 2: when I needed a spot field for client success, I
Speaker 2: think my mind's I've got great memories. I was like,
Speaker 2: who would be great at this job? I was like,
Speaker 2: Lauren Gmrco. She did a success interview a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Let's see what she's up to. Heytoby, I'm just doing
Speaker 2: corporate like I'm finding a bit boring. I'm looking for
Speaker 2: more purpose. And I was like, well, I've got a
Speaker 2: really good position and I think would suit you. Now
Speaker 2: what's crazy is Lauren g She like this morning, I
Speaker 2: think she was up at four am doing calls from
Speaker 2: New York for our Australian clients and like never complains.
Speaker 2: We always check and hey, like we want to make
Speaker 2: sure you work lads, okay, we don't want to overwork.
Speaker 2: You want to make sure that you've got a good
Speaker 2: balance in your life too. She's like, no, I freaking
Speaker 2: love it, Like give me, give me more. And I'm
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, we're not going to give you
Speaker 2: more because we want you to have a good life too.
Speaker 2: But she's like, I love it so much. It fills
Speaker 2: me up with so much purpose and joy. And I
Speaker 2: think she was so starved at that for twenty years
Speaker 2: in corporate that she's just like, I'll do anything perceive
Speaker 2: herself like she's just a yes woman who's just like
Speaker 2: I love this work. It invigorates me, it gives me energy,
Speaker 2: and so that's what I love. Just like I just
Speaker 2: love that energy of just like seeing someone go from
Speaker 2: like a job they don't like to a job they
Speaker 2: absolutely love and they wear it with a badge of honor.
Speaker 3: It is just like, it's pretty fucking cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's trying to find the spot where you
Speaker 1: best fit and trying to trying to find the job
Speaker 1: or the career or the space where it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like a job or a career like where you're oh,
Speaker 1: this is just a thing that I do. It's like
Speaker 1: this right now, like this show is sponsored sponsors. We're
Speaker 1: on the Nova platform. This is ridiculous. I'm catching up
Speaker 1: with a mate. We're talking about stuff that hopefully we're
Speaker 1: both fascinated in and so hopefully the audience are mildly
Speaker 1: interested in. And this is part of my job. This
Speaker 1: is an every day of the week. I do this.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing about this that feels like work. And
Speaker 1: my listeners are sick of me saying that, but it's
Speaker 1: just true. So yeah, and when you get the right
Speaker 1: person in the right role, then it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: not that there's never problems, but it moves closer towards effortless.
Speaker 1: It's effort less, but it gets closer to that one.
Speaker 2: Percent, and you know, there's some team members right now
Speaker 2: that I need to move around or potentially even let
Speaker 2: go of soon, you know. And and I look at
Speaker 2: that as like perfect too, because it's like whether someone
Speaker 2: stays or goes, it doesn't really matter as long as
Speaker 2: they're growing as a person. That's all I really care about.
Speaker 2: And so I'll never hold on to someone who who
Speaker 2: in the right fit or doesn't feel like they're the
Speaker 2: right fit. And it's like, no, my job here is
Speaker 2: to help you grow as a human.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If that means within sea for self, awesome, And if
Speaker 2: it means it's not, then awesome too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably the biggest lesson is the hard conversations. I think
Speaker 2: something that I've probably gotten a lot better at is
Speaker 2: just like having the composure and the capacity with just
Speaker 2: being able to sit down and have direct, hard conversations
Speaker 2: in a loving way and only good has come from it.
Speaker 2: Like there's never been a time when a hard conversation
Speaker 2: there hasn't been good come from it.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because like some of what we do
Speaker 1: as leaders and bosses and even just as friends, right,
Speaker 1: it can be emotional because you're talking, especially when you
Speaker 1: start to with somebody feedback, right, Like everybody wants feedback
Speaker 1: until they get feedback.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's good feedback. Tell me what I did? Yeah,
Speaker 3: unless unless you're like a top leader.
Speaker 2: Because for me, I want to hear what I'm not
Speaker 2: good at, Like, I don't care about what I'm good at, Like,
Speaker 2: just tell me what I could do better. That's my
Speaker 2: always my question to my GM. Yeah you must be
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I mean I'm trust me. There's no bigger
Speaker 1: critic of me than me, So I fucking I say
Speaker 1: that all the time, right, And that's okay. But being
Speaker 1: able to share people, share with people in a way
Speaker 1: that's that's truthful and insightful. And obviously your perspective of
Speaker 1: me is not mine, right, So you have you have
Speaker 1: a level of objectivity about Craig Harper that Craig Harper
Speaker 1: can never have because I've never sat in a room
Speaker 1: and watched me speak. I've never been on a podcast
Speaker 1: with me and been asked questions like, I've never hung
Speaker 1: out in a staff room at Harper's like you did
Speaker 1: many times with me. Right, So, and this is the
Speaker 1: you know, we don't see things as they are. We
Speaker 1: see things as we are a nas nin right, So
Speaker 1: we're trying to We're trying to find that that common
Speaker 1: ground where look, we can have a hard conversation and
Speaker 1: it doesn't become emotional or inflammatory or but we I mean,
Speaker 1: if we are and I think most of my audience
Speaker 1: had this right, if you are really a person who
Speaker 1: actually wants to grow and learn and evolve and whatever
Speaker 1: that means for you, become a better version of you physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, spiritually,
Speaker 1: whatever all that stuff means for you, and you are
Speaker 1: not open to feedback, well, none of the previous stuff's
Speaker 1: going to happen, you know, because you now there's a
Speaker 1: difference between self awareness and acknowledgment and self loathing. I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, you're right, Toby, I am an idiot.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm dog shit tote. No, that's not it.
Speaker 3: That's not zero of that. No, we don't have any
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just trying to Okay, so here we are.
Speaker 1: Here's what I see. Here's firstly, here's what you're doing. Great,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of good stuff. There's some stuff that
Speaker 1: I reckon you need to think about. And this one
Speaker 1: thing that you do from the outside looking in it's
Speaker 1: essentially self desis structure. Let's talk about that, you know,
Speaker 1: and then oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: My mentor calls it the art of enrollment, right, So,
Speaker 2: and he taught me really well, he's actually now he's
Speaker 2: in the house seat his help, which has just been phenomenal.
Speaker 3: John Mars shout out to you, John.
Speaker 2: But I work with John one on one for five years,
Speaker 2: and one of the things he taught me early on
Speaker 2: in leadership was like, how you enroll someone matters. So
Speaker 2: I used to be someone who's like quite a hothead
Speaker 2: and just like makes decisions super fast, doesn't enroll anyone
Speaker 2: along the journey's like all right, this is what we're doing,
Speaker 2: let's go, and then my poor team would have to
Speaker 2: pick up all the mess and then I'd have to
Speaker 2: figure out what the broken parts were and then we'd
Speaker 2: solve it together. But now it's like, we enroll with
Speaker 2: the ideas. First, Hey, this is what I'm thinking of doing.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about this? And we get we
Speaker 2: get an invitation out right, and then the team mem
Speaker 2: because yeah, I feel good about this, and then we
Speaker 2: can get into it. Or if it's a hard conversation, Hey, Craig, today,
Speaker 2: look today, I'm going to put on my boss out
Speaker 2: right now, we're going to put the friends hat off
Speaker 2: just for a moment.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a proper chat.
Speaker 2: You know. He's okay if you've got fifteen minutes to
Speaker 2: have a quick chat about your specific role, and then
Speaker 2: you're preparing them, and then there's this two way communication
Speaker 2: of like, all right, let's just have this conversation. It's
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with our personal lives, got nothing
Speaker 2: to do with Toby Morrison hating me or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's just a professional conversation. So I like the business cap.
Speaker 2: My auntie gave me that tool, which was just like,
Speaker 2: put the business hat on. I've got the boss had on,
Speaker 2: put your staff hat on, and let's have a chat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's been that's been really powerful too, so.
Speaker 1: Much so much we spoke recently. I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: do so many of these. I can't remember who it
Speaker 1: was with, but we're talking about oh I know exactly.
Speaker 1: It was actually my Monday night mentoring group, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about last Mondays, not the one just gone, but
Speaker 1: the one before. It was all around communication, connection and
Speaker 1: relationships and like communication is such a multi dimensional thing. Right,
Speaker 1: it's like what you say, it's how you say it,
Speaker 1: it's when you say it, it's timing, its context that situation.
Speaker 1: Is anyone else listening? Do they want to hear this?
Speaker 1: So they read? How do I get them ready to
Speaker 1: hear this? What language should I use? You know? Do
Speaker 1: I need to use metaphor and storytelling? Or can I
Speaker 1: jump straight to the points or whatever? Right? And many times,
Speaker 1: so Toby used to work at Harper's, my biggest gym
Speaker 1: on the Highway, doing his own thing under my banner.
Speaker 1: But so you remember how big that joint was, right,
Speaker 1: And there were so many times when I would have
Speaker 1: to have I would see a trainer do like it
Speaker 1: wasn't on a daily basis, but over the course of
Speaker 1: a year, I mean we did tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: sessions and I would see someone do something on the
Speaker 1: gym floor that wasn't okay. Right, I'm like, that's not okay.
Speaker 1: But the tough thing was I couldn't walk up. I
Speaker 1: couldn't walk up and go, hey, mate, what the fuck
Speaker 1: are you doing? I couldn't go, hey, that's not okay,
Speaker 1: that's unprofessional, that's whatever was right. And then on top
Speaker 1: of that, well, I need to find the right time,
Speaker 1: and I need to you know, if I walk up
Speaker 1: to them and say listen, even if I walked up
Speaker 1: and said, when you finish, can you come to my office, well,
Speaker 1: that's going to create emotional turmoil for them.
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, then I'm likely you had a lot of
Speaker 2: you had how many you probably had it? I don't
Speaker 2: know how many trainers, maybe thirty at one point, thirty
Speaker 2: to forty, and then they're training, so there's like eighty
Speaker 2: to one hundred people in the gym at one time,
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine that dynamic.
Speaker 3: You almost have to have quarterly catch ups.
Speaker 2: Basically, it would be the only way to do it
Speaker 2: professionally without shit hitting out there.
Speaker 1: That's right. And then sometimes I would have to because
Speaker 1: they've done something that's not okay, because if you do
Speaker 1: that tomorrow, we're fucked, right, So I'd just say, hey mate,
Speaker 1: no drama, can you come see me when you're And
Speaker 1: even just doing that, that'd come in like with their
Speaker 1: tail between their legs, like fucking intrepidation. And it would
Speaker 1: depend like with one person, I could say, hey mate,
Speaker 1: when you do this, that look shit for these reasons,
Speaker 1: so don't do that, and they'd go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: all good, I got no drama, Just don't do it.
Speaker 1: They're like fine, I'm like see ya, like thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: And then someone else I'd have to we'd have to
Speaker 1: go to you know, like Sydney via fucking the Philippines
Speaker 1: to get to the to get to the actual point,
Speaker 1: because I thought, if I just say it, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a meltdown. So when you're sharing, even when
Speaker 1: you're sharing what something that is unemotional, it's just like,
Speaker 1: this is just based on the data. This is just
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen, and this is why it
Speaker 1: won't work, and this is what I would like you
Speaker 1: to do. And these are the reasons why most of
Speaker 1: the time you can't just say it that way because
Speaker 1: obviously you've got a factor in you know, who you're
Speaker 1: talking to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, like what I've learned, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit different to the gym floor. If it's like technique base,
Speaker 2: you know, fixing technique and things that are pretty easy
Speaker 2: to fix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if there's a.
Speaker 2: Behavioral problem, that usually the problem's not the problem, Like
Speaker 2: what I found, So like if someone's off at the moment,
Speaker 2: like I had a team member probably a month and
Speaker 2: a half ago.
Speaker 3: I could feel he was off.
Speaker 2: He was just off, not himself, not doing a great job,
Speaker 2: great person, lovely energy, you know, like really good guy,
Speaker 2: but just off. And it didn't matter how much training
Speaker 2: we were giving him. We were trying so many different angles,
Speaker 2: or I was trying so many different angles.
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is none of this is working.
Speaker 3: So I just sat down.
Speaker 2: I was like, what's going on, Yeah, talk to me.
Speaker 2: What's going on in your personal life? Are you feeling flat?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 2: And it all came out, you know, there's some personal
Speaker 2: shit going on. And that way then we could I
Speaker 2: could understand him better, I could support him better, and
Speaker 2: then we could get to the root of the problem
Speaker 2: and solve it together versus me going you need to
Speaker 2: do this training or you need to be more like this.
Speaker 2: And I found that really helpful. Firstly, just checking in
Speaker 2: are you okay? Like his everything going on, and even
Speaker 2: with me when I'm not in a good way, you know,
Speaker 2: like I've got a very close relationship with my GM
Speaker 2: ash Ashley Ward, and if I'm not in a good
Speaker 2: state for a period of time, she'll know and I'll
Speaker 2: have to say to her, and I don't have to
Speaker 2: go into details with her, but I'll say this bit
Speaker 2: of personal stuff's going on right now, and this is
Speaker 2: why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling, and it's got
Speaker 2: nothing to do with you. Yeah, and it's like okay,
Speaker 2: like it takes the pressure off.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: The other awesome tip that I got with team was
Speaker 2: from Len Warson. You know Len Wawson from he owns
Speaker 2: Glennville Holmes. I think he did a radio He's done
Speaker 2: radio ads and stuff like that. So Len Wowson very
Speaker 2: successful businessman. I helped his daughter with Croning Fatis in
Speaker 2: Drome get better many years ago. I think it was
Speaker 2: like fourteen years ago or something, and we became really
Speaker 2: close friends and he kind of mentored me for a
Speaker 2: long time. And I said, and I sat in his
Speaker 2: office once. He had one hundred staff in his in
Speaker 2: his wherever it was Corefield or whatever, and I sat
Speaker 2: in his office. I was like, how the hell? And
Speaker 2: I was so young then, like I'd never had staff before.
Speaker 2: I was like, how the hell do you deal with
Speaker 2: all these people? Like like how do you say hi
Speaker 2: to a hundred people to get to your offer? Like
Speaker 2: I literally said that quite. I'm like, what do you
Speaker 2: do every morning? Do you have to say hi to everyone?
Speaker 2: He's like, fuck no, He's like, I don't say hi
Speaker 2: to anyone. He's like, you had to say hi to everyone,
Speaker 2: It'd take me an hour to get to my office.
Speaker 2: So I just like, I walk in the door and
Speaker 2: I go straight to my office. I was like okay,
Speaker 2: and I said, well, what's the trick to keeping staff happy?
Speaker 2: And he said, you have to you have to understand
Speaker 2: their personal goals, and then you have to weave your
Speaker 2: business into their personal goals. He said, most people come
Speaker 2: into my office and ask for more money because they
Speaker 2: see that I'm making more money now.
Speaker 3: He was a super successful guy.
Speaker 2: You know, beautiful home, nice cars, all that jazz, and
Speaker 2: so obviously the stuff look up to him and go oh, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I want what he's got, So I need
Speaker 2: to make more money. And they'd coming like, oh, you
Speaker 2: can I have a pay rise? And he says, I
Speaker 2: can't give you a pay rise, but let me sit
Speaker 2: down with you for an hour and let's figure out
Speaker 2: an investment plan and for you to purchase more property
Speaker 2: so you can become wealthy over time. Tell me your goals,
Speaker 2: and so he'd sit down with every single one. I
Speaker 2: think it was every six months or every twelve months
Speaker 2: he'd do like a review, but a lot of it
Speaker 2: was like forty five minutes purely on them, And so
Speaker 2: I do that. Now we've got a spreadsheet of every
Speaker 2: single team member's personal goals, their hobbies, their passions outside
Speaker 2: of work, because that's really important too, you know, like
Speaker 2: it's not about us, it's about them. Like you, you're
Speaker 2: the one doing the work. So it's like, hey, how
Speaker 2: can I help you win it?
Speaker 3: Your life? What do you want to do?
Speaker 2: You want to travel, all right, Let's figure out a
Speaker 2: way that you can travel and work at the same time.
Speaker 2: You want to build a garden, all right, how can
Speaker 2: we support you with time to do that with your lifestyle?
Speaker 2: You want to make more money, all right, Let's figure
Speaker 2: out a way you can add more value to the world.
Speaker 2: So there's just everyone, and everyone's different. That's the other
Speaker 2: crazy part, like not everyone has the same goals, you know, yeah, mate,
Speaker 2: that's there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of wisdom for a thirty seven year old man.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of insight there, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of the truth. Is that everyone that works
Speaker 1: for you is has their own version of what success
Speaker 1: is and what is good and what is bad, and
Speaker 1: what is desirable and what is undesirable. And you know,
Speaker 1: as we were just kind of illuminating with the way
Speaker 1: that I would approach different people on the gym floor.
Speaker 1: You can have a conversation with Sally which lights her up,
Speaker 1: and you have the same conversation with somebody else and
Speaker 1: it confuses the fuck out of them or it agitates them,
Speaker 1: or you know whatever. Right, So I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that, like what you were telling us about
Speaker 1: len is brilliant, and also what you're doing is brilliant
Speaker 1: because you're seeing the You're seeing the people as just
Speaker 1: human beings, as psychological, emotional, sociological creatures that just happen
Speaker 1: to work with you in this organization rather than cogs
Speaker 1: in a machine whose purpose is to make you more money.
Speaker 1: But no, fuck that, yeah, yeah, and that. Like so
Speaker 1: when I do briefing calls, like as you know, I
Speaker 1: do a lot of corporate and sometimes sometimes I'll say
Speaker 1: so like they maybe the person I'm talking to doesn't
Speaker 1: even really know what I do or who I am.
Speaker 1: They've been recommended me and so I'm somebody's booked me.
Speaker 1: So I'll talk to old mate who's organizing the conference,
Speaker 1: or maybe the CEO or the MD or whoever he
Speaker 1: or she is, right, and I'll go, so what do
Speaker 1: you know? What do you talk about? And I say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about your business or your
Speaker 1: brand or how you should be better at making widgets
Speaker 1: because I've never made a fucking widget. Right. So, but
Speaker 1: everyone that works for you, everyone that works for you,
Speaker 1: you know, has got beliefs and values and dreams and
Speaker 1: passion and years and anxiety, and everyone that works for
Speaker 1: you as a human. And I'm really fucking good with humans. Right,
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the human experience, and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about physical, mental, emotional, social, and
Speaker 1: spiritual health. Right Because here's what I know. If we
Speaker 1: don't talk about the business or the bottom line, or
Speaker 1: the systems or the culture or all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: maybe culture, but if we talk to your people about.
Speaker 3: Them, and which is culture, by the way, yep.
Speaker 1: And our intention is we want to help you be
Speaker 1: a better version of you so that your life's better.
Speaker 1: You're better, you're less stressed, less anxious, and you love
Speaker 1: getting out of bed every morning. And so the thinking
Speaker 1: is that if somebody shows up at work and before
Speaker 1: they even show up at work they're physically, mentally, emotionally
Speaker 1: exhausted or a version of that, well, not only are
Speaker 1: they going to hate being at work, not only they're
Speaker 1: not going to be good for you, they're not going
Speaker 1: to be good for them. So we don't need to
Speaker 1: focus on productivity or efficiency or bottom line. We can
Speaker 1: just help people look after themselves. And one that's genuine,
Speaker 1: We actually really want to help you. So you're a
Speaker 1: better employee, just so you're better whatever better means for
Speaker 1: you. You might be a better dad, better mum, bet a sister,
Speaker 1: better brother, better care, whatever it is. And so by
Speaker 1: having these very people focused relationships within the context of
Speaker 1: a business, you're actually building the business without trying to
Speaker 1: build the business. You're actually doing good for the operating systems.
Speaker 1: You're actually doing good for the clients and the customers
Speaker 1: and the culture and the morale without even mentioning morale
Speaker 1: or culture exactly.
Speaker 2: Dan Martel says, build the people who build the business.
Speaker 2: And I'm not really you know, I don't really classify
Speaker 2: myself as a business guy. It's more just we're just
Speaker 2: mission driven and so what's really interesting My goal, my
Speaker 2: job is two things. It's to help my people win, yeah,
Speaker 2: and help them become more of themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we're another perfect example Korein. Coach Korein, she's a mate.
Speaker 2: Shout out Krein if you were listening to this. She
Speaker 2: came into the headquarters probably three months four months ago.
Speaker 3: She was new.
Speaker 2: She was she's been six months with us, so first
Speaker 2: two months she was doing I thought she was doing great.
Speaker 2: She comes into the office we have a catch up,
Speaker 2: and said, how are you doing with her? And she goes,
Speaker 2: I'm funny. I'm just like getting overwhelmed and like really
Speaker 2: like you know, nervous.
Speaker 3: Before our big calls.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of the hundreds of members coming
Speaker 2: on and I just I just don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: doing like a good enough job. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: what are you comparing to? She goes, I'm comparing it
Speaker 2: to coach Gemma, who's like a little bit higher than her.
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, Jemma has a certain style
Speaker 2: and she and all the clients love her. And and
Speaker 2: I said, how hold on a second. I said, stop there.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not. I didn't ask you to join
Speaker 2: CFS Health Team to be Gemma. I hired you because
Speaker 2: you're Carinne and you're amazing at being Carinne. And she's
Speaker 2: she's goofy, she's funny, she's she's smart, she's she's got
Speaker 2: great coaching frameworks. And I was like, I hired you
Speaker 2: for you, So what I need you to do? He's
Speaker 2: been all of you on those calls. I want you
Speaker 2: to bring you quickiness, I want you to bring your
Speaker 2: fun and you could see like the pressure just like
Speaker 2: completely evaporated from her entire being. And the next week
Speaker 2: she had a call coaching call with the big group
Speaker 2: and she sent me a text she goes, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that was just amazing.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, because I'm asking you to
Speaker 2: be more of who you are, fuck being Jemma. Jemma's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love Gemma and we all love Gemma. But I
Speaker 2: didn't hire you to be like Gemma. I hired you
Speaker 2: because you're amazing as you are, and so I think
Speaker 2: that's really special too, Like that's what kind of is
Speaker 2: the juice for me is just like helping people again
Speaker 2: grow more of themselves in themselves versus.
Speaker 3: Trying to be someone you're not.
Speaker 2: You know, so on all interviews that we have, like
Speaker 2: you know, every interview we have with new team members,
Speaker 2: that's the first thing I say, You're not coming in
Speaker 2: to be more like Tobby Morrison or Ash or anyone else, Like,
Speaker 2: We're hiring for you for you, And that's isn't that nice?
Speaker 2: So you can just like breathe a sigh of relief
Speaker 2: of not having to try to be anyone else but yourself.
Speaker 1: This is probably a weird question, but do you ever
Speaker 1: work with health slash wellness slash fitness professionals who work
Speaker 1: in other spaces and places to even just to give
Speaker 1: them a one or two hour kind of intro to
Speaker 1: like a little bit of an education and awareness around
Speaker 1: chronic fatigue, Like is that a thing that you go
Speaker 1: in We.
Speaker 3: Get asked a lot to do.
Speaker 2: I decline it right now just because we've got so
Speaker 2: much stuff on right now with the DOCCO and the
Speaker 2: second book coming out, But it's probably something we should do,
Speaker 2: really like it would be pretty helpful for physios and
Speaker 2: ots And have.
Speaker 1: You ever thought of I mean, well, I've got a
Speaker 1: little bit of an idea about how this would work
Speaker 1: because I co wrote the first PT accreditation.
Speaker 3: Yeah we should talk about this, by the way.
Speaker 1: Most of the work, but you know, like writing an
Speaker 1: accreditation for people to become chronic fatigue coaches, coaches, you
Speaker 1: know where people can go and do a cert three
Speaker 1: in that or so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again being on the radar for ten years.
Speaker 2: But my biggest fear with that is quality control. Like
Speaker 2: there's we get asked every single week like how can
Speaker 2: I you know, how can I get the training? Like
Speaker 2: how can I be become a coach? And we're so
Speaker 2: selective of who we actually bring in house because obviously
Speaker 2: we are world class. But my worries imagine if we
Speaker 2: have a thousand people, right, because we could easily get
Speaker 2: a thousand people who would pay for a certification, and
Speaker 2: then they start randomly shouting from the tree tops all
Speaker 2: this stuff that isn't the stuff we actually taught, that
Speaker 2: actually isn't right for recovery. I just could added for
Speaker 2: me personally, I don't think I could have my name
Speaker 2: on it. It worries me too much that they do
Speaker 2: too much damage to the individuals they try and help,
Speaker 2: and it actually it's counterproductive. And that's I mean, I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. I'm happy to be challenging that. But
Speaker 2: that's my biggest year.
Speaker 1: I actually think that's a really good points quality control,
Speaker 1: city control. As soon as you said that, I went, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's the wild wild West, Like as soon as someone like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a CEEF, it's health coach. I can coach anybody,
Speaker 2: and like we see it. We see it at the moment,
Speaker 2: Like people do our program, they get better and they go, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to do what Toby does. So I'm just
Speaker 2: going to start calling myself a coach, a chronic FATI
Speaker 2: coach because I've gotten better with no training, no no
Speaker 2: understanding of like human behavior or psychology or even physiology,
Speaker 2: and and they just it's just not it doesn't feel
Speaker 2: it's out of integrity. And so that's my big quality controls,
Speaker 2: our biggest worry. And even with our actual coaches, we
Speaker 2: have a very thorough on boarding process. They have to
Speaker 2: go through our in house certification just to be a
Speaker 2: coach in house, right, and then they're training every single
Speaker 2: month like ongoing. There's never a month, there's no training
Speaker 2: every single week. There they have to do a review
Speaker 2: of what they did great, what their favorite Clyde win
Speaker 2: was what their favorite coaching win was, and then a
Speaker 2: lesson and an inside that they can take into next
Speaker 2: week as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, amazing. Well mate, I'm proud of you. You're
Speaker 1: doing great things. We'll wind it up, but before we go,
Speaker 1: so's the what's one of the things that from sixteen
Speaker 1: year old you to thirty seven year old you that's
Speaker 1: like been one of the biggest I guess light bulbs
Speaker 1: or revelations or lessons for you, Like what do you
Speaker 1: what do you now know that's kind of been a
Speaker 1: little bit transformational that you learned along the way. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a million things, but what might be
Speaker 1: near the top of the list. What do you know
Speaker 1: now that you never knew that you think also maybe
Speaker 1: a lot of other people don't know business, Yeah, business,
Speaker 1: or people or life stuff or philosophical stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like you've become a lot more philosophical and
Speaker 1: spiritual in the last few years, and you're kind of
Speaker 1: there's been a door that's opened in you know.
Speaker 3: Interesting mind. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah, well I'm glad to
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: So I think for me, you know, I started, I
Speaker 2: started from a place of willpower.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's such an interesting thing to say.
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone say that.
Speaker 2: I started from a place of willpower, right, So I
Speaker 2: believe that, you know, it's up to you if you
Speaker 2: want to get it done, you've got to do it yourself.
Speaker 3: And that's true, that is true.
Speaker 2: You have choice and you've got you've got to be
Speaker 2: empowered and all that. I think willpower only takes you
Speaker 2: a certain to a certain level. And I got to
Speaker 2: a point probably three years ago where you know, I
Speaker 2: grew seefer self to a place that I never you
Speaker 2: know that i'd always dreamed of, you know, had a
Speaker 2: big team. We're helping thousands of people. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's helping people all around the world. It's successful.
Speaker 2: But I was empty and I was so soulfully depleted
Speaker 2: in my soul. And I had all these goals and
Speaker 2: I was hitting them, but I was miserable, and they
Speaker 2: were like, they were good goals, they weren't necessarily selfish goals,
Speaker 2: they were selfless goals, but nonetheless it felt.
Speaker 3: It just didn't feel that good. And I was like,
Speaker 3: it was super weird.
Speaker 2: Because I'm not really a religious person, never really believed
Speaker 2: in God. I kind of my quote back in the
Speaker 2: day when I was sixteen was God helps those who
Speaker 2: helps themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to read that to myself when I was sixteen,
Speaker 2: even though I wasn't religious, because it was like, the
Speaker 2: only person that can do it is you. And then
Speaker 2: about three years ago I started asking this question, God,
Speaker 2: what do you need from me today?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: So I'd wake up every.
Speaker 2: Morning and just like sit at the edge of my
Speaker 2: bed just before i'd drink my two glasses of water,
Speaker 2: and I'd say, you know, God, what do you need
Speaker 2: from me today? And it wasn't like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not like I'm reading the Bible or you know, it's
Speaker 2: my version of what God is. And I was basically
Speaker 2: just connecting to something higher than me, kind of letting
Speaker 2: go of this control of like I have to will
Speaker 2: power everything. And I got some really interesting insights, like
Speaker 2: you know, it's one morning it'd be like you need
Speaker 2: to be a better leader and listen better. Other times
Speaker 2: it was like stop trying to reach outcomes and just
Speaker 2: be more. And then I got so pissed off with
Speaker 2: all those goals that I rubbed all them off the
Speaker 2: wyboard in.
Speaker 3: The in the office. And then I just wrote words
Speaker 3: of how I wanted the company to be.
Speaker 2: So it was like loyalty, you know, inclusive, culture, integrity,
Speaker 2: like we just had all these words, and then that's
Speaker 2: when everything started to shift, Like that's when I started
Speaker 2: to operate differently, like from a place of like being
Speaker 2: versus like doing doing doing. And it's still a lesson
Speaker 2: to this day of like I'm calling it relaxation in motion.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like how I'm trying to operate these
Speaker 2: days versus like always in my head of like all right,
Speaker 2: we just got to do this. We've got to do this.
Speaker 2: And per example is delaying the documentary until it felt
Speaker 2: right in our bodies, you know, Like and my leadership
Speaker 2: team same things. Like we just ask each other questions,
Speaker 2: how does it feel for you, Yeah, it feels good.
Speaker 2: How does it feel for you? Oh, it feels a
Speaker 2: bit off for me, Toby, And these are why. These
Speaker 2: are the three reasons why. And then we have a
Speaker 2: discussion about it and we all get on the same
Speaker 2: page of it has to feel good in our bodies
Speaker 2: and it has to feel like it's coming from a
Speaker 2: place of integrity and good intent, and then we say
Speaker 2: yes from there and if it's not, then we will
Speaker 2: just say no.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because you and I there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of commonality and overlap I had. I've spoken about
Speaker 1: it many times, but a bit of an epiphany when
Speaker 1: I was around the same age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about that at say again, tell me
Speaker 2: about that, because I think so. I think that's why
Speaker 2: I related to you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there was one stage where I had I
Speaker 1: had a gym in Hampton, a gym in core Field,
Speaker 1: a gym in Brighton. I had two other businesses that
Speaker 1: were at a beauty salon with a bunch of ladies
Speaker 1: working in and I had another business. So I had
Speaker 1: five freestanding like.
Speaker 3: You owned a beauty seal on.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't work in their clear
Speaker 1: and I didn't benefit from any of the services. Stop
Speaker 1: being fucking rude, you're still do. It was very funny though,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I agree, hilarious. But the bottom line
Speaker 1: was at that stage I had about one hundred staff.
Speaker 1: I had five businesses. They're all making money. I was
Speaker 1: writing for the Herald Son, I was writing my first book.
Speaker 1: I was working in radio. I had a pretty big profile.
Speaker 1: I was seen as something of a minor superstar in
Speaker 1: the fitness industry, right, or maybe a little bit bigger
Speaker 1: than that, right, Yeah, big fish, small pond, all that shit, right.
Speaker 1: And from the outside looking in, my life was fucking Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you know. It was Hollywood, cars, motorbikes, beach, house, house,
Speaker 1: all this.
Speaker 3: Shit, right.
Speaker 1: And so there's a big difference between the appearance of
Speaker 1: success and the experience that an individual is having in
Speaker 1: the middle of what appears to be a successful paradigm,
Speaker 1: a successful outcome, a successful life. And so I was,
Speaker 1: depending on your KPI, depending on how you would measure it,
Speaker 1: I was simultaneously successful and bankrupt. I was mentally, emotionally
Speaker 1: and spiritually bankrupt. So I told my group on Monday
Speaker 1: night this, and I apologize to my listeners who have
Speaker 1: heard it. But right now you can see this spiral
Speaker 1: bound book in front of me and the pen. Every
Speaker 1: night I would take one of those to bed because
Speaker 1: I knew that I would wake up multiple times in
Speaker 1: the night worried about something, thinking about something, solving a problem,
Speaker 1: and if I couldn't get it out of my head
Speaker 1: and onto the page, I couldn't sleep. I would literally
Speaker 1: do that between five and ten times a night for
Speaker 1: two years. Wow, I was fucking exhausted. And then I'd
Speaker 1: rock up to work and I'd bounce around like happy Gilmore,
Speaker 1: you know, fighting and pretending I was all And it
Speaker 1: wasn't that I was doing anything inherently evil or bad.
Speaker 1: I was just I was personally living out of alignment.
Speaker 1: I was like I was pretending that, well, not really pretending,
Speaker 1: but like I can do business, and I can make
Speaker 1: lots of dough, and I can be entrepreneurial, but it's
Speaker 1: not my calling. It's not my purpose, it's not my reason,
Speaker 1: it's not my reason, it's not what for me anyway,
Speaker 1: it's not what I'm like. My purpose in life is
Speaker 1: not to accumulate all the shit I can accumulate. My purpose,
Speaker 1: I believe, is to help others, to help themselves, to
Speaker 1: help other people realize and I mean that in both ways,
Speaker 1: realize their potential to optimize. You know, their their brain power,
Speaker 1: their genetics, their time, their resources, their skills, their happiness,
Speaker 1: you know their relationships, their talent, you know all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And yeah, so I just, yeah, I pulled
Speaker 1: the pin and I sold everything except Harpers on the
Speaker 1: Highway and the Big One, and yeah, and it's been
Speaker 1: a I think there's that, you know, especially when you're
Speaker 1: like you and me, is I can't speak on your behalf,
Speaker 1: but I think you know, I was a fucking I
Speaker 1: was a very average kid. You were probably more spectacular
Speaker 1: than me, and that you were a very good athlete. Well,
Speaker 1: I was shit, but you ended up being a kid
Speaker 1: with an illness that you needed to navigate.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I lost that identity in my teenage years.
Speaker 1: And we both came out of that and went, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: who are we and what am I doing? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: the funny thing was that while and you know, I
Speaker 1: had this brand and this reputation, and I had these skills.
Speaker 1: I could talk underwater, I could be charming, funny, charismatic.
Speaker 1: I could do all of that right, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, there was this underlying insecurity, self doubt, self flothing.
Speaker 1: There was all this stuff that people didn't see because
Speaker 1: I was so good at playing the Craig harperole, you know.
Speaker 1: And then then you go, oh, and I think what
Speaker 1: happens often is we go all right, well, now I've
Speaker 1: got five businesses, and now I've got all whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Now I've got twenty four staff or twenty staff or
Speaker 1: wherever you were at the time, or now I'm fucking
Speaker 1: eight percent body fat, my arm's eighteen inches, or I'm
Speaker 1: earning two undergrand or I'm earning four under grand or
Speaker 1: I've got whatever it is. But the funny thing is
Speaker 1: you get there and you go, oh, I still feel lonely,
Speaker 1: i still feel disconnected, i still feel unsure, I'm still insecure.
Speaker 1: I'm still bullshitting people, and I'm bullshitting myself, and I'm
Speaker 1: avoiding something and I don't even know what the fuck
Speaker 1: it is. And so, you know, we grow up in
Speaker 1: a paradigm, a cognitive, cultural, sociological paradigm. That's is that
Speaker 1: we are taught that success is about what everyone can see.
Speaker 1: What you have, what you earn, what you own, what
Speaker 1: you drive, what people think you, your brand, your followers,
Speaker 1: your twenty four staff, your dog, your car, whatever, right,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, But that doesn't necessarily equal fulfillment
Speaker 1: or contentment or equanimity. Or you know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's wildly successful, but spiraling out of control. Now, how
Speaker 1: many people do you know? And I know that are
Speaker 1: successful from an outside looking in perspective, but the inside
Speaker 1: out reality is depression, anxiety, no sleep, overthinking, self doubt,
Speaker 1: self loathing. You know, the emotional and psychological and even
Speaker 1: spiritual reality depending on your belief system, is fucking chaos.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my theory is it like where life happens is
Speaker 1: in the external three dimensional world, but where living happens
Speaker 1: is in the internal, the unseen. But we are so
Speaker 1: focused on what everyone can see, we neglect the bit
Speaker 1: that people can't see, you know, that that internal space.
Speaker 1: And it's like if you said to me, I've said
Speaker 1: this many times, if you said, hahaps, you can talk
Speaker 1: tonight to ten thousand people for a dollar for a dollar,
Speaker 1: yeah or nothing, or you can walk over the road
Speaker 1: to talk to one hundred people for ten grand I'm like.
Speaker 2: I say to my team every day, just give me
Speaker 2: I want to speak to more people. That's literally what
Speaker 2: I say as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, And not just because it's I don't
Speaker 1: want anything off yeah.
Speaker 3: Grow.
Speaker 2: For me, it's just more of a growth thing, like
Speaker 2: a fun It just feels boring, like if you're just
Speaker 2: doing the same thing that you've always done. Going ba
Speaker 2: to your point, do you know Jonathan Helen then do
Speaker 2: you remember do you ever remember him? He was a bride. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So dear friend of mine. He passed away rest in pace. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really special guy to me, Like he's literally on my
Speaker 2: desk every day I look at him. There's how much
Speaker 2: of an EVACU made in my life. And one of
Speaker 2: the funny things about him was he and I learned
Speaker 2: this just before he passed away, his most successful year
Speaker 2: that he had in a very successful business property development guy.
Speaker 3: You know, hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing was was the year that he
Speaker 2: was most successful.
Speaker 3: He thought he was the biggest failure. Wow, fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Like he he was like, it's not good enough. I
Speaker 2: should have done more. Why didn't I hit this target?
Speaker 2: And like he had the most biggest successful year he's
Speaker 2: ever had, and that was his embankment into personal develpment.
Speaker 2: I think he hired a personal coach, he started seeing
Speaker 2: a therapist, and sadly, not long after that, he got
Speaker 2: cancer and I think he had it. It was about a
Speaker 2: four and a half year battle. It was a long time,
Speaker 2: but he had this beautiful evolution whilst he was kind
Speaker 2: of getting to that endpoint of life, and it was
Speaker 2: like self actualization and we actually disconnected when he was
Speaker 2: going for that driven success, entrepreneurial guy. We just split
Speaker 2: apart because our values didn't the line. I was more
Speaker 2: interested in lifestyle, living a balanced lifestyle and having a
Speaker 2: mission and caring about people, whereas he was, like he
Speaker 2: was just ruthless. But then once he got cancer, reached
Speaker 2: back out to me and we connected so deeply. We
Speaker 2: facedtime every week until he passed away, and we talked
Speaker 2: and he messaged me at two am in.
Speaker 3: The morning, Toby, do you believe in God?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, dude, it's two AMN on a Tuesday morning,
Speaker 2: Like I'm just trying to get out and it's my
Speaker 2: breakfast and do some work. I'm like, this is a
Speaker 2: deep conversation. Johnny said, yeah, but do you believe in it?
Speaker 2: And I was like, of course, you know, but it
Speaker 2: was just it was one of the things I learned
Speaker 2: from him, was just like perspective. And I think you
Speaker 2: can only get perspective through experience and through challenge. And
Speaker 2: I think his challenged with cancer woke him up to
Speaker 2: the reality of truth and what really mattered in life.
Speaker 2: And it was beautiful, like to watch the last period
Speaker 2: of his life he got to live a really rich life,
Speaker 2: which was cool, but there was this like a beingness
Speaker 2: kind of came from him and a gentleness and a
Speaker 2: different side of him that he that he hid from
Speaker 2: a long for a long time. I was one of
Speaker 2: the lucky ones that got to see that. Apparently he
Speaker 2: never showed that to the to the public, but it
Speaker 2: was coming out of him. And then I think the
Speaker 2: biggest thing is it's not about It's not about me.
Speaker 2: So like I think one of the things that John
Speaker 2: k You went through and I went through it three
Speaker 2: years ago, Like I just realized, like, this isn't none
Speaker 2: of this is about me anymore. So there's like there's
Speaker 2: four levels of leadership. But the last two is like
Speaker 2: there's like the thought leader. Everyone's a thought leader. Now
Speaker 2: this is from Simon Bown, one of my mentors. Thought leader,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the go to guy or go
Speaker 2: to a girl in the industry. Then there's the hero,
Speaker 2: so like, you know, come with me and I've got
Speaker 2: my cape and I'm going to save you. I'm amazing,
Speaker 2: I'll share all the fat off you. I'm the best
Speaker 2: coach in the world and done it.
Speaker 3: You know, we've all been there.
Speaker 2: And then there's the sage, and the Sage is the
Speaker 2: type of leader that says, hey, I've been through some experiences,
Speaker 2: I've had this, I've got some knowledge and some information.
Speaker 2: If you like, I can share it, but what you
Speaker 2: do with it doesn't really matter. And so the sage
Speaker 2: kind of teaches from a place of we're all equal
Speaker 2: and I've just got got some knowledge to share with you.
Speaker 2: And it's quite a beautiful experience. And I feel like
Speaker 2: we all have to go through those four levels of
Speaker 2: leadership to get to the sage level. And I feel
Speaker 2: like the last three to four years for me, I've
Speaker 2: kind of completely Really it's the last six years of
Speaker 2: like gone off the hero journey of like this isn't
Speaker 2: even about me anymore, like the documentary zero about me,
Speaker 2: my team, my work, not about Tobby Morrison anymore. And
Speaker 2: it's it's nice because it's like we're all in this
Speaker 2: for the same reasons, whereas before there was much more
Speaker 2: self identification of like I'm on my island, you guys
Speaker 2: are on your island. You do you to help me
Speaker 2: get what I want and kind of like that ruthlessness
Speaker 2: with what Johnny went through in that selfishness, and I
Speaker 2: always say to my team.
Speaker 3: I think it's.
Speaker 2: Important to have selfish goals, things that you know that
Speaker 2: you're doing for yourself, But just as important, what are
Speaker 2: your selfless goals? You know, what are you doing it
Speaker 2: for on the bigger grand scheme of things. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not about it's not about me anymore. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like God's work. It's that's how it feels.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you just a little anecdote.
Speaker 3: Please please?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny, Yeah, did you go to his funeral? By
Speaker 1: any chance?
Speaker 3: I went?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I went to his wake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so past to Phil, Yes, I spoke to
Speaker 2: pass the field that night, of course.
Speaker 3: And you are the one that connected all of that together.
Speaker 1: Yes, So for anyone who's who's pastor feel so Pastor Phil,
Speaker 1: this is a very small world. Sorry, everybody, you can
Speaker 1: turn off.
Speaker 3: This is a very this is actually really a cool story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Pastor Phil also was clearly a pastor of a church,
Speaker 1: but in a previous life was a physiotherapist. And then
Speaker 1: it ended up just for shits and giggles, kind of
Speaker 1: working at my Jim Harper's with his physiotherapy qualification, working
Speaker 1: with people more as a trainer, and so he was
Speaker 1: simultaneously a trainer and a past of a church, and
Speaker 1: he ended up doing Johnny's funeral and yeah, and spend
Speaker 1: john a lot of time with him.
Speaker 3: A lot of times.
Speaker 2: So john met him through the gym obviously back in
Speaker 2: the day, like ten years prior, and Phil was a
Speaker 2: really fit guy. But Johnny wasn't interested in God, he
Speaker 2: wasn't interested in spirituality. He just wanted to make money,
Speaker 2: build homes and make money. That's his only goal. His
Speaker 2: goal was to become a billionaire and he was close, like,
Speaker 2: he wasn't that far off when he died, actually died
Speaker 2: with a lot.
Speaker 3: Of money in the bank.
Speaker 2: And what happened was when Johnny got cancer, he remembered
Speaker 2: I think someone said to him like, well, maybe you know,
Speaker 2: you should get in touch with God or something like that,
Speaker 2: and John's like, this is just ridiculous, but remembered Phil,
Speaker 2: the gym guy who was the pastor and feels a
Speaker 2: cool pastor, like, you know, there's any type of pasty
Speaker 2: when I am, it's kind of Phil. And Johnny reconnected
Speaker 2: with Phil, and it was a really wonderful experience for
Speaker 2: john because he'd never had that man in his life
Speaker 2: to to kind of talk about spirituality on a deep level.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Phil was with him by side the whole
Speaker 2: way through. And then I was I was so privileged
Speaker 2: to see Phil at the funeral, and we had a
Speaker 2: really good chat, and we felt like we were on
Speaker 2: the lucky ones, you know, because we were in the
Speaker 2: We were in the room not as business people. And
Speaker 2: Johnny's brother, basically cousin Jimmy, who you probably remember, I
Speaker 2: used to train at the gym with Johnny. He said
Speaker 2: to me, you know, he said, you you knew the
Speaker 2: real Johnny, And I said, what do you mean. He goes,
Speaker 2: look around this room, all these guys in suits. He goes,
Speaker 2: they don't know the real Johnny. Hre of his money,
Speaker 2: because of his business, they don't give a shit about
Speaker 2: who he was. But you, you're one of the only
Speaker 2: few people that you really got to know Johnny. And
Speaker 2: I just assumed that I was. Everyone was the same,
Speaker 2: but he just didn't let many people in. But the
Speaker 2: funny thing was is because I didn't give a shit
Speaker 2: about his money, I didn't give a shit about I
Speaker 2: never treated him any differently than I would to anybody.
Speaker 3: Else in the world.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why we had such a deep
Speaker 2: connection and when he got on the BRW rich list
Speaker 2: I sent him. Everyone was like, oh Johnny, you know
Speaker 2: you well done, you three hundred million or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: And I just wrote to him as text means are saying,
Speaker 2: congratulations made, but how's your heart question mark?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And you know, like he would just be like what
Speaker 2: you know, and we'd have these massive conversations and I
Speaker 2: think he was just blown away because I just wasn't
Speaker 2: you know. I was way more interested in him as
Speaker 2: a human. And I guess I'm thankful for my parents
Speaker 2: of that, because they just brought me up in a
Speaker 2: world to treat everyone equal. Whether you've got a huge
Speaker 2: amount of wealth or you were homeless, you know, you're
Speaker 2: all the same. So I feel really privileged because I got,
Speaker 2: like I said, you know, there's there's only one person
Speaker 2: on my desk, and it's Johnny Helen n It's because
Speaker 2: of the connection, the level of intimacy he had as
Speaker 2: a friend friendship group, and I touch base with his
Speaker 2: son literally two days ago, Archie Helen, and just to
Speaker 2: check in on him. And I feel like it's my
Speaker 2: duty to make sure that he's okay, even though I
Speaker 2: barely know him. But I checking on him every couple
Speaker 2: of months.
Speaker 3: How you're doing.
Speaker 2: I'm always here for you. Just give me a call,
Speaker 2: you know. And he's doing great now as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's amazing mate. Well that went off at a
Speaker 1: philosophical tangent, but I love it.
Speaker 2: I didn't cry. I was about to tear. Every time
Speaker 2: I talk about Johnny, I usually start crying.
Speaker 3: So I love it.
Speaker 1: And just for people who are going feel past a
Speaker 1: field trainer physio. Just to give you a picture of Phil.
Speaker 1: Feel's about five to ten and about five to ten wide,
Speaker 1: a very good looking, very superman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very fit, very like just like huge bicyps.
Speaker 1: And it does not when you think about a pastor
Speaker 1: of a church, Phil is not what springs to mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like an he looks like a famous Hollywood
Speaker 2: actor but like so down to earth and yeah, it looks.
Speaker 1: More like a Chipendal than a pastor. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: It's definitely quickly tell people where to find you, follow
Speaker 1: you and connect with CFS health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, CFS Health obviously across all channels. Just type in
Speaker 2: CFS health and on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook if you want
Speaker 2: to view into.
Speaker 3: My personal world. Toby J.
Speaker 2: Morrison on Instagram and then yes cushealth dot com if
Speaker 2: you're if you or someone you know has chronic fatigue
Speaker 2: syndrome is looking for a professional step by step help
Speaker 2: to you know, get healthy and start leaving again.
Speaker 1: It's been great, mate, I really loved it.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, it's nice to nice to catch up. And
Speaker 2: you know, you actually look you look great. You look
Speaker 2: younger every time you where's the wrinkles?
Speaker 3: Like? What's going on? Are you sponsored by Boatox? Now?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: You actually look you look great? Man? Like I think
Speaker 3: I'll got more wrinkles than you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel all right, you look good.
Speaker 3: What's the secret?
Speaker 1: What do you know how much I weigh?
Speaker 3: Now I was gonna say seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Eighty one, but I'm looking clean. I'm hard as a
Speaker 1: cat's head.
Speaker 3: Bro, So what's the secret? Are you on minimal cows or.
Speaker 1: I've just been taking those tablets that you send me
Speaker 1: in the mail? I mean, what's in them? But fucking
Speaker 1: hell they're great. Hey, we'll say goodbye affair, but from
Speaker 1: the moment, thanks buddy, talk again.
Speaker 3: My pleasure