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Speaker 1: Tobias John Morrison. Welcome back to the You Project, your

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Speaker 1: big stud.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Craig Harper, Craig Anthony Harper. It's awesome to

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Speaker 2: me back. It's been been about a year since we

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Speaker 2: did our last interview.

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Speaker 1: It's been a hot minute, bro. How are you? What

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Speaker 1: is going on? How is life? You're you're producing docos,

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Speaker 1: You're healing people all over the world, You're solving problems,

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Speaker 1: your bloody connecting all good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been it's been a busy year.

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Speaker 2: So my company, Sefer's Health, We've been helping a ship

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Speaker 2: ton of people all around the world. We're helping now

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Speaker 2: people in seventy eight countries. I think last time I

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Speaker 2: spoke to you, maybe we're in the forties. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: reaching countries that I've never heard of before.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, what give me one country that you

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Speaker 1: went fuck, I've never heard it.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know the name of it. It's like

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Speaker 2: it's done with a Z. It's I had to ask

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Speaker 2: one of my team members the other day.

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Speaker 3: I was like, Ambia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's that. I think it's Zambia. I

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Speaker 2: can find out there. We've got like a channel of

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Speaker 2: like the country, like the different countries that we help

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Speaker 2: people in because we can't keep up with it.

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Speaker 3: And it's just like.

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Speaker 2: All these different flag flag colors I've never seen before,

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Speaker 2: and it's pretty it's pretty mind blowing because like we

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Speaker 2: obviously we're in an English speaking program. We help people

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Speaker 2: specifically with chronic fatigue syndrome, and like there's so many

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Speaker 2: people in our program which English is their second speaking language,

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Speaker 2: and like it's pretty courageous to like go through something

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Speaker 2: like chronic fatigue syndrome and then get help in a

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Speaker 2: second speaking language. I just like it blows my mind.

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Speaker 2: And I can't even speak a word of French and

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Speaker 2: here's French. People are asking me questions in English, trying

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Speaker 2: it's very courageous.

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Speaker 1: I think, Well, it also shows that how I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it shows, but I think maybe it shows

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Speaker 1: that one it's really needed, and two people are you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like if the best help that they can get

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to be in their first language, they're

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Speaker 1: still going to go for it. And it means, you know,

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Speaker 1: without blowing smoke up your us, you must be if

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Speaker 1: you're in seventy countries, seventy eight countries. It means you're

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Speaker 1: doing something good, you know, And it's like that giddy

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Speaker 1: went into ninety countries. It's a different thing because this

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Speaker 1: is just people listening to a free podcast. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've actually got members and you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's lazy. Yeah, And how think about when you and

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Speaker 1: I met, dude, like and we're just hanging out at

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Speaker 1: harper Is on the pan Highway and you're about fucking

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Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I knew, I knew fuck all,

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Speaker 1: we were just both making.

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Speaker 2: That's not true, that's not true. You you were my

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Speaker 2: you were my inspiration. A funny story the moment I

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Speaker 2: actually met you, I'd known you for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and I read all your books and I actually printed

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Speaker 2: out every single blog article that you wrote. Back in

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Speaker 2: the day when blogs were cool, that was the thing.

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Speaker 2: Like now it's this it doesn't exist anymore. But blogs

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Speaker 2: really popular. And I remember going, I need to speak

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Speaker 2: to this guy, and so I called Harper's Gym when

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Speaker 2: I was like eighteen, and I was like, I had

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Speaker 2: And so I called you and your assistant answered, and

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, you know, please talk to Craig uper like,

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Speaker 2: not knowing that you had a full book of clients

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Speaker 2: I got on to you like you called me back eventually,

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Speaker 2: And you said, oh, yeah, cool, what degrees do you have?

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, no, I haven't even finished school yet.

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Speaker 2: And you just laughed and you're like, oh, listen, Champ,

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Speaker 2: four years later, I was at a cafe in Hampton

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Speaker 2: It's the place I used to see that every day.

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Speaker 2: And I see you and I'm like, I almost got

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Speaker 3: I've got it.

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Speaker 2: This is my moment, you know, like I've got to

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Speaker 2: Hands and I come out of the urinal and I

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Speaker 2: walked straight up to you and Johnny, which was your

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Speaker 3: And I put my hand down.

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Speaker 2: I was like Craig Harper and he said yeah. And

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, I don't know if you remember me,

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Speaker 2: but I'm the guy that called you six years ago

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Speaker 2: remember what are you doing now, I said, I'm doing

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Speaker 2: exactly that I've been, you know, helping people with chronic

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Speaker 2: ferte syndrome. I'm writing a book and this I think

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Speaker 2: just amazing. And so now I've got a team of

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Speaker 2: We've got a headquarters now in nursa. I'm getting shimmers

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Speaker 2: down my spine. We're just through at least a documentary.

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Speaker 2: It just feels good. It feels really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Madam, And I don't say things I don't mean,

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Speaker 1: like I'm super proud of you, and I know everybody

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Speaker 1: And what we will talk about, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you know people kind of knowing people connect with that more.

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking when you said when you said

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Speaker 1: about the blog, I went, fuck, I haven't thought about

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Speaker 1: the blog, but yeah, you're right back in the day.

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Speaker 1: This blows people away. Now, this is not I'm not

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Speaker 1: putting Mayo on this. Everyone. I had eighty thousand subscribers,

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Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty people turned up.

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Speaker 2: it's normal to have an email list, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's not normal for everyone to open that email anymore,

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Speaker 3: Like you had.

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Speaker 2: Your engagement was insane because no one else was doing

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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm so proud to ship out so

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Speaker 2: much free work in our world that we do as well,

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Speaker 2: because you know, free trainings and resources can be life changing,

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Speaker 2: just like your blogs were for me. You know, one

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Speaker 2: of the things I'm so proud of about this new

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Speaker 2: documentary is it's free of charge. Cost us over one

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Speaker 3: For any person who listens to it. And that feels

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Speaker 1: Tell people what it's called and where to find it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the documentary is called Freedom Healing from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

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Speaker 2: It's really it's intent was designed for the people of

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Speaker 2: Going through chronic fatigue syndrome where you know someone who is, like,

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest problems is the isolation and mistreatment,

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Speaker 2: you know, the silence of the medical industry. First and

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Speaker 2: has got chronic fatigue. And so we you know, the

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Speaker 2: the people. It's about hope, it's about understanding, it's about awareness,

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Speaker 2: and so that's what the documentary is all about.

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Speaker 3: It's not about our actual.

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Speaker 2: Program that you know, the thousands of people in the

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Speaker 3: It's not about that.

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Speaker 2: It's more about building awareness of like what chronic fetite

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Speaker 2: we showcase, you know, a bunch of different recovery stories

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Speaker 2: up into people in the eighties. Just so no matter

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Speaker 2: who you are, awhere you're at, you can watch that

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Speaker 1: with a mate. We're talking about stuff that hopefully we're

433
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 1: both fascinated in and so hopefully the audience are mildly

434
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: interested in. And this is part of my job. This

435
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: is an every day of the week. I do this.

436
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 1: But there's nothing about this that feels like work. And

437
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: my listeners are sick of me saying that, but it's

438
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: just true. So yeah, and when you get the right

439
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: person in the right role, then it's you know, it's

440
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: not that there's never problems, but it moves closer towards effortless.

441
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 1: It's effort less, but it gets closer to that one.

442
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: Percent, and you know, there's some team members right now

443
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: that I need to move around or potentially even let

444
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: go of soon, you know. And and I look at

445
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: that as like perfect too, because it's like whether someone

446
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 2: stays or goes, it doesn't really matter as long as

447
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: they're growing as a person. That's all I really care about.

448
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 2: And so I'll never hold on to someone who who

449
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 2: in the right fit or doesn't feel like they're the

450
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 2: right fit. And it's like, no, my job here is

451
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: to help you grow as a human.

452
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

453
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,719
Speaker 2: If that means within sea for self, awesome, And if

454
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: it means it's not, then awesome too.

455
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

456
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: Probably the biggest lesson is the hard conversations. I think

457
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 2: something that I've probably gotten a lot better at is

458
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 2: just like having the composure and the capacity with just

459
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 2: being able to sit down and have direct, hard conversations

460
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: in a loving way and only good has come from it.

461
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 2: Like there's never been a time when a hard conversation

462
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 2: there hasn't been good come from it.

463
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting because like some of what we do

464
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Speaker 1: as leaders and bosses and even just as friends, right,

465
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: it can be emotional because you're talking, especially when you

466
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: start to with somebody feedback, right, Like everybody wants feedback

467
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: until they get feedback.

468
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's good feedback. Tell me what I did? Yeah,

469
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: unless unless you're like a top leader.

470
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Speaker 2: Because for me, I want to hear what I'm not

471
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: good at, Like, I don't care about what I'm good at, Like,

472
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: just tell me what I could do better. That's my

473
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 2: always my question to my GM. Yeah you must be

474
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 2: the same thing.

475
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I mean I'm trust me. There's no bigger

476
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: critic of me than me, So I fucking I say

477
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: that all the time, right, And that's okay. But being

478
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: able to share people, share with people in a way

479
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: that's that's truthful and insightful. And obviously your perspective of

480
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: me is not mine, right, So you have you have

481
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: a level of objectivity about Craig Harper that Craig Harper

482
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: can never have because I've never sat in a room

483
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: and watched me speak. I've never been on a podcast

484
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: with me and been asked questions like, I've never hung

485
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: out in a staff room at Harper's like you did

486
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: many times with me. Right, So, and this is the

487
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, we don't see things as they are. We

488
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: see things as we are a nas nin right, So

489
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Speaker 1: we're trying to We're trying to find that that common

490
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: ground where look, we can have a hard conversation and

491
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't become emotional or inflammatory or but we I mean,

492
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: if we are and I think most of my audience

493
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: had this right, if you are really a person who

494
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: actually wants to grow and learn and evolve and whatever

495
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: that means for you, become a better version of you physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, spiritually,

496
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: whatever all that stuff means for you, and you are

497
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: not open to feedback, well, none of the previous stuff's

498
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: going to happen, you know, because you now there's a

499
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: difference between self awareness and acknowledgment and self loathing. I'm

500
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, you're right, Toby, I am an idiot.

501
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm dog shit tote. No, that's not it.

502
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: That's not zero of that. No, we don't have any

503
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: of that.

504
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just trying to Okay, so here we are.

505
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: Here's what I see. Here's firstly, here's what you're doing. Great,

506
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of good stuff. There's some stuff that

507
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: I reckon you need to think about. And this one

508
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: thing that you do from the outside looking in it's

509
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: essentially self desis structure. Let's talk about that, you know,

510
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: and then oh, yeah, exactly.

511
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: My mentor calls it the art of enrollment, right, So,

512
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: and he taught me really well, he's actually now he's

513
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: in the house seat his help, which has just been phenomenal.

514
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: John Mars shout out to you, John.

515
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 2: But I work with John one on one for five years,

516
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: and one of the things he taught me early on

517
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: in leadership was like, how you enroll someone matters. So

518
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: I used to be someone who's like quite a hothead

519
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: and just like makes decisions super fast, doesn't enroll anyone

520
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: along the journey's like all right, this is what we're doing,

521
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: let's go, and then my poor team would have to

522
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: pick up all the mess and then I'd have to

523
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: figure out what the broken parts were and then we'd

524
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: solve it together. But now it's like, we enroll with

525
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: the ideas. First, Hey, this is what I'm thinking of doing.

526
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: How do you feel about this? And we get we

527
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: get an invitation out right, and then the team mem

528
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: because yeah, I feel good about this, and then we

529
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: can get into it. Or if it's a hard conversation, Hey, Craig, today,

530
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: look today, I'm going to put on my boss out

531
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 2: right now, we're going to put the friends hat off

532
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: just for a moment.

533
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a proper chat.

534
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: You know. He's okay if you've got fifteen minutes to

535
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: have a quick chat about your specific role, and then

536
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: you're preparing them, and then there's this two way communication

537
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: of like, all right, let's just have this conversation. It's

538
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with our personal lives, got nothing

539
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: to do with Toby Morrison hating me or anything like that.

540
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: It's just a professional conversation. So I like the business cap.

541
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: My auntie gave me that tool, which was just like,

542
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: put the business hat on. I've got the boss had on,

543
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: put your staff hat on, and let's have a chat. Yeah,

544
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: And it's been that's been really powerful too, so.

545
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: Much so much we spoke recently. I can't remember. I

546
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: do so many of these. I can't remember who it

547
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: was with, but we're talking about oh I know exactly.

548
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: It was actually my Monday night mentoring group, and we're

549
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: talking about last Mondays, not the one just gone, but

550
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: the one before. It was all around communication, connection and

551
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: relationships and like communication is such a multi dimensional thing. Right,

552
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: it's like what you say, it's how you say it,

553
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: it's when you say it, it's timing, its context that situation.

554
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: Is anyone else listening? Do they want to hear this?

555
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: So they read? How do I get them ready to

556
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: hear this? What language should I use? You know? Do

557
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: I need to use metaphor and storytelling? Or can I

558
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: jump straight to the points or whatever? Right? And many times,

559
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: so Toby used to work at Harper's, my biggest gym

560
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: on the Highway, doing his own thing under my banner.

561
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: But so you remember how big that joint was, right,

562
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Speaker 1: And there were so many times when I would have

563
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: to have I would see a trainer do like it

564
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: wasn't on a daily basis, but over the course of

565
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Speaker 1: a year, I mean we did tens of thousands of

566
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Speaker 1: sessions and I would see someone do something on the

567
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: gym floor that wasn't okay. Right, I'm like, that's not okay.

568
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: But the tough thing was I couldn't walk up. I

569
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: couldn't walk up and go, hey, mate, what the fuck

570
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: are you doing? I couldn't go, hey, that's not okay,

571
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: that's unprofessional, that's whatever was right. And then on top

572
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: of that, well, I need to find the right time,

573
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: and I need to you know, if I walk up

574
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: to them and say listen, even if I walked up

575
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: and said, when you finish, can you come to my office, well,

576
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: that's going to create emotional turmoil for them.

577
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: Right exactly?

578
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, then I'm likely you had a lot of

579
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: you had how many you probably had it? I don't

580
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: know how many trainers, maybe thirty at one point, thirty

581
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: to forty, and then they're training, so there's like eighty

582
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: to one hundred people in the gym at one time,

583
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine that dynamic.

584
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: You almost have to have quarterly catch ups.

585
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: Basically, it would be the only way to do it

586
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: professionally without shit hitting out there.

587
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: That's right. And then sometimes I would have to because

588
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: they've done something that's not okay, because if you do

589
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: that tomorrow, we're fucked, right, So I'd just say, hey mate,

590
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: no drama, can you come see me when you're And

591
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: even just doing that, that'd come in like with their

592
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: tail between their legs, like fucking intrepidation. And it would

593
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: depend like with one person, I could say, hey mate,

594
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: when you do this, that look shit for these reasons,

595
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: so don't do that, and they'd go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah,

596
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: all good, I got no drama, Just don't do it.

597
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: They're like fine, I'm like see ya, like thirty seconds.

598
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: And then someone else I'd have to we'd have to

599
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: go to you know, like Sydney via fucking the Philippines

600
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: to get to the to get to the actual point,

601
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: because I thought, if I just say it, there's going

602
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: to be a meltdown. So when you're sharing, even when

603
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: you're sharing what something that is unemotional, it's just like,

604
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: this is just based on the data. This is just

605
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen, and this is why it

606
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: won't work, and this is what I would like you

607
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: to do. And these are the reasons why most of

608
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: the time you can't just say it that way because

609
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: obviously you've got a factor in you know, who you're

610
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: talking to.

611
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, like what I've learned, it's a little

612
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: bit different to the gym floor. If it's like technique base,

613
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, fixing technique and things that are pretty easy

614
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: to fix.

615
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if there's a.

616
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: Behavioral problem, that usually the problem's not the problem, Like

617
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: what I found, So like if someone's off at the moment,

618
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: like I had a team member probably a month and

619
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: a half ago.

620
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: I could feel he was off.

621
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: He was just off, not himself, not doing a great job,

622
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: great person, lovely energy, you know, like really good guy,

623
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: but just off. And it didn't matter how much training

624
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: we were giving him. We were trying so many different angles,

625
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: or I was trying so many different angles.

626
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is none of this is working.

627
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: So I just sat down.

628
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: I was like, what's going on, Yeah, talk to me.

629
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: What's going on in your personal life? Are you feeling flat?

630
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: Are you?

631
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 2: And it all came out, you know, there's some personal

632
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: shit going on. And that way then we could I

633
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: could understand him better, I could support him better, and

634
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: then we could get to the root of the problem

635
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: and solve it together versus me going you need to

636
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: do this training or you need to be more like this.

637
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: And I found that really helpful. Firstly, just checking in

638
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: are you okay? Like his everything going on, and even

639
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: with me when I'm not in a good way, you know,

640
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: like I've got a very close relationship with my GM

641
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: ash Ashley Ward, and if I'm not in a good

642
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: state for a period of time, she'll know and I'll

643
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: have to say to her, and I don't have to

644
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: go into details with her, but I'll say this bit

645
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: of personal stuff's going on right now, and this is

646
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling, and it's got

647
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: nothing to do with you. Yeah, and it's like okay,

648
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: like it takes the pressure off.

649
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: Yes.

650
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Yes.

651
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: The other awesome tip that I got with team was

652
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: from Len Warson. You know Len Wawson from he owns

653
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: Glennville Holmes. I think he did a radio He's done

654
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: radio ads and stuff like that. So Len Wowson very

655
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: successful businessman. I helped his daughter with Croning Fatis in

656
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: Drome get better many years ago. I think it was

657
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: like fourteen years ago or something, and we became really

658
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: close friends and he kind of mentored me for a

659
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: long time. And I said, and I sat in his

660
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: office once. He had one hundred staff in his in

661
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: his wherever it was Corefield or whatever, and I sat

662
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: in his office. I was like, how the hell? And

663
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: I was so young then, like I'd never had staff before.

664
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: I was like, how the hell do you deal with

665
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: all these people? Like like how do you say hi

666
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: to a hundred people to get to your offer? Like

667
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: I literally said that quite. I'm like, what do you

668
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: do every morning? Do you have to say hi to everyone?

669
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: He's like, fuck no, He's like, I don't say hi

670
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: to anyone. He's like, you had to say hi to everyone,

671
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: It'd take me an hour to get to my office.

672
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: So I just like, I walk in the door and

673
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: I go straight to my office. I was like okay,

674
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: and I said, well, what's the trick to keeping staff happy?

675
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: And he said, you have to you have to understand

676
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: their personal goals, and then you have to weave your

677
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: business into their personal goals. He said, most people come

678
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: into my office and ask for more money because they

679
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: see that I'm making more money now.

680
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: He was a super successful guy.

681
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: You know, beautiful home, nice cars, all that jazz, and

682
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: so obviously the stuff look up to him and go oh, like,

683
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, I want what he's got, So I need

684
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: to make more money. And they'd coming like, oh, you

685
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: can I have a pay rise? And he says, I

686
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: can't give you a pay rise, but let me sit

687
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: down with you for an hour and let's figure out

688
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: an investment plan and for you to purchase more property

689
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: so you can become wealthy over time. Tell me your goals,

690
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: and so he'd sit down with every single one. I

691
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: think it was every six months or every twelve months

692
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: he'd do like a review, but a lot of it

693
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: was like forty five minutes purely on them, And so

694
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: I do that. Now we've got a spreadsheet of every

695
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: single team member's personal goals, their hobbies, their passions outside

696
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: of work, because that's really important too, you know, like

697
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: it's not about us, it's about them. Like you, you're

698
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: the one doing the work. So it's like, hey, how

699
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: can I help you win it?

700
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: Your life? What do you want to do?

701
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: You want to travel, all right, Let's figure out a

702
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: way that you can travel and work at the same time.

703
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: You want to build a garden, all right, how can

704
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: we support you with time to do that with your lifestyle?

705
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: You want to make more money, all right, Let's figure

706
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: out a way you can add more value to the world.

707
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: So there's just everyone, and everyone's different. That's the other

708
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: crazy part, like not everyone has the same goals, you know, yeah, mate,

709
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: that's there's.

710
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: A lot of wisdom for a thirty seven year old man.

711
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of insight there, and there's

712
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the truth. Is that everyone that works

713
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: for you is has their own version of what success

714
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: is and what is good and what is bad, and

715
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: what is desirable and what is undesirable. And you know,

716
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: as we were just kind of illuminating with the way

717
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: that I would approach different people on the gym floor.

718
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: You can have a conversation with Sally which lights her up,

719
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: and you have the same conversation with somebody else and

720
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: it confuses the fuck out of them or it agitates them,

721
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: or you know whatever. Right, So I think one of

722
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: the things that, like what you were telling us about

723
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: len is brilliant, and also what you're doing is brilliant

724
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: because you're seeing the You're seeing the people as just

725
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: human beings, as psychological, emotional, sociological creatures that just happen

726
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: to work with you in this organization rather than cogs

727
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: in a machine whose purpose is to make you more money.

728
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: But no, fuck that, yeah, yeah, and that. Like so

729
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: when I do briefing calls, like as you know, I

730
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: do a lot of corporate and sometimes sometimes I'll say

731
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: so like they maybe the person I'm talking to doesn't

732
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: even really know what I do or who I am.

733
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: They've been recommended me and so I'm somebody's booked me.

734
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: So I'll talk to old mate who's organizing the conference,

735
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: or maybe the CEO or the MD or whoever he

736
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: or she is, right, and I'll go, so what do

737
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: you know? What do you talk about? And I say, well,

738
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about your business or your

739
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: brand or how you should be better at making widgets

740
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: because I've never made a fucking widget. Right. So, but

741
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: everyone that works for you, everyone that works for you,

742
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: you know, has got beliefs and values and dreams and

743
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: passion and years and anxiety, and everyone that works for

744
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: you as a human. And I'm really fucking good with humans. Right,

745
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the human experience, and

746
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about physical, mental, emotional, social, and

747
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: spiritual health. Right Because here's what I know. If we

748
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: don't talk about the business or the bottom line, or

749
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: the systems or the culture or all of that stuff,

750
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: maybe culture, but if we talk to your people about.

751
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: Them, and which is culture, by the way, yep.

752
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: And our intention is we want to help you be

753
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: a better version of you so that your life's better.

754
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: You're better, you're less stressed, less anxious, and you love

755
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: getting out of bed every morning. And so the thinking

756
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: is that if somebody shows up at work and before

757
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: they even show up at work they're physically, mentally, emotionally

758
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: exhausted or a version of that, well, not only are

759
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: they going to hate being at work, not only they're

760
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: not going to be good for you, they're not going

761
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: to be good for them. So we don't need to

762
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: focus on productivity or efficiency or bottom line. We can

763
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: just help people look after themselves. And one that's genuine,

764
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: We actually really want to help you. So you're a

765
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: better employee, just so you're better whatever better means for

766
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: you. You might be a better dad, better mum, bet a sister,

767
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: better brother, better care, whatever it is. And so by

768
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: having these very people focused relationships within the context of

769
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: a business, you're actually building the business without trying to

770
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: build the business. You're actually doing good for the operating systems.

771
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: You're actually doing good for the clients and the customers

772
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: and the culture and the morale without even mentioning morale

773
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: or culture exactly.

774
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: Dan Martel says, build the people who build the business.

775
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not really you know, I don't really classify

776
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: myself as a business guy. It's more just we're just

777
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: mission driven and so what's really interesting My goal, my

778
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: job is two things. It's to help my people win, yeah,

779
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: and help them become more of themselves.

780
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

781
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: And we're another perfect example Korein. Coach Korein, she's a mate.

782
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: Shout out Krein if you were listening to this. She

783
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: came into the headquarters probably three months four months ago.

784
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: She was new.

785
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: She was she's been six months with us, so first

786
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: two months she was doing I thought she was doing great.

787
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: She comes into the office we have a catch up,

788
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: and said, how are you doing with her? And she goes,

789
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm funny. I'm just like getting overwhelmed and like really

790
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 2: like you know, nervous.

791
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: Before our big calls.

792
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of the hundreds of members coming

793
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: on and I just I just don't know if I'm

794
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: doing like a good enough job. And I said, well,

795
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: what are you comparing to? She goes, I'm comparing it

796
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: to coach Gemma, who's like a little bit higher than her.

797
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, Jemma has a certain style

798
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: and she and all the clients love her. And and

799
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: I said, how hold on a second. I said, stop there.

800
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not. I didn't ask you to join

801
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: CFS Health Team to be Gemma. I hired you because

802
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: you're Carinne and you're amazing at being Carinne. And she's

803
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: she's goofy, she's funny, she's she's smart, she's she's got

804
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: great coaching frameworks. And I was like, I hired you

805
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: for you, So what I need you to do? He's

806
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: been all of you on those calls. I want you

807
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: to bring you quickiness, I want you to bring your

808
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: fun and you could see like the pressure just like

809
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: completely evaporated from her entire being. And the next week

810
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: she had a call coaching call with the big group

811
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: and she sent me a text she goes, oh my god,

812
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: that was just amazing.

813
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: I love it.

814
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, because I'm asking you to

815
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: be more of who you are, fuck being Jemma. Jemma's amazing.

816
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: I love Gemma and we all love Gemma. But I

817
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: didn't hire you to be like Gemma. I hired you

818
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: because you're amazing as you are, and so I think

819
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: that's really special too, Like that's what kind of is

820
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: the juice for me is just like helping people again

821
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: grow more of themselves in themselves versus.

822
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: Trying to be someone you're not.

823
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: You know, so on all interviews that we have, like

824
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, every interview we have with new team members,

825
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: that's the first thing I say, You're not coming in

826
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: to be more like Tobby Morrison or Ash or anyone else, Like,

827
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: We're hiring for you for you, And that's isn't that nice?

828
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: So you can just like breathe a sigh of relief

829
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: of not having to try to be anyone else but yourself.

830
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: This is probably a weird question, but do you ever

831
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: work with health slash wellness slash fitness professionals who work

832
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: in other spaces and places to even just to give

833
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: them a one or two hour kind of intro to

834
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: like a little bit of an education and awareness around

835
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: chronic fatigue, Like is that a thing that you go

836
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: in We.

837
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: Get asked a lot to do.

838
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: I decline it right now just because we've got so

839
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: much stuff on right now with the DOCCO and the

840
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: second book coming out, But it's probably something we should do,

841
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: really like it would be pretty helpful for physios and

842
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: ots And have.

843
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: You ever thought of I mean, well, I've got a

844
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: little bit of an idea about how this would work

845
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: because I co wrote the first PT accreditation.

846
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah we should talk about this, by the way.

847
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Most of the work, but you know, like writing an

848
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: accreditation for people to become chronic fatigue coaches, coaches, you

849
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: know where people can go and do a cert three

850
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: in that or so.

851
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again being on the radar for ten years.

852
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: But my biggest fear with that is quality control. Like

853
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: there's we get asked every single week like how can

854
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: I you know, how can I get the training? Like

855
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: how can I be become a coach? And we're so

856
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: selective of who we actually bring in house because obviously

857
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: we are world class. But my worries imagine if we

858
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: have a thousand people, right, because we could easily get

859
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: a thousand people who would pay for a certification, and

860
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: then they start randomly shouting from the tree tops all

861
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: this stuff that isn't the stuff we actually taught, that

862
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: actually isn't right for recovery. I just could added for

863
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: me personally, I don't think I could have my name

864
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: on it. It worries me too much that they do

865
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: too much damage to the individuals they try and help,

866
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: and it actually it's counterproductive. And that's I mean, I

867
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: could be wrong. I'm happy to be challenging that. But

868
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: that's my biggest year.

869
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: I actually think that's a really good points quality control,

870
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: city control. As soon as you said that, I went, yeah.

871
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: It's the wild wild West, Like as soon as someone like, oh, yeah,

872
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: I'm a CEEF, it's health coach. I can coach anybody,

873
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: and like we see it. We see it at the moment,

874
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Like people do our program, they get better and they go, oh,

875
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: I want to do what Toby does. So I'm just

876
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: going to start calling myself a coach, a chronic FATI

877
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: coach because I've gotten better with no training, no no

878
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: understanding of like human behavior or psychology or even physiology,

879
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: and and they just it's just not it doesn't feel

880
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: it's out of integrity. And so that's my big quality controls,

881
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: our biggest worry. And even with our actual coaches, we

882
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: have a very thorough on boarding process. They have to

883
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: go through our in house certification just to be a

884
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: coach in house, right, and then they're training every single

885
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: month like ongoing. There's never a month, there's no training

886
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: every single week. There they have to do a review

887
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: of what they did great, what their favorite Clyde win

888
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: was what their favorite coaching win was, and then a

889
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: lesson and an inside that they can take into next

890
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: week as well.

891
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, amazing. Well mate, I'm proud of you. You're

892
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: doing great things. We'll wind it up, but before we go,

893
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: so's the what's one of the things that from sixteen

894
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: year old you to thirty seven year old you that's

895
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: like been one of the biggest I guess light bulbs

896
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: or revelations or lessons for you, Like what do you

897
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: what do you now know that's kind of been a

898
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: little bit transformational that you learned along the way. And

899
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a million things, but what might be

900
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: near the top of the list. What do you know

901
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: now that you never knew that you think also maybe

902
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: a lot of other people don't know business, Yeah, business,

903
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: or people or life stuff or philosophical stuff. I mean,

904
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: I feel like you've become a lot more philosophical and

905
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: spiritual in the last few years, and you're kind of

906
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: there's been a door that's opened in you know.

907
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: Interesting mind. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah, well I'm glad to

908
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: say that.

909
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: So I think for me, you know, I started, I

910
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: started from a place of willpower.

911
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's such an interesting thing to say.

912
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone say that.

913
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: I started from a place of willpower, right, So I

914
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: believe that, you know, it's up to you if you

915
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 2: want to get it done, you've got to do it yourself.

916
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: And that's true, that is true.

917
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: You have choice and you've got you've got to be

918
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: empowered and all that. I think willpower only takes you

919
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: a certain to a certain level. And I got to

920
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: a point probably three years ago where you know, I

921
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: grew seefer self to a place that I never you

922
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: know that i'd always dreamed of, you know, had a

923
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: big team. We're helping thousands of people. It's you know,

924
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: it's it's helping people all around the world. It's successful.

925
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: But I was empty and I was so soulfully depleted

926
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: in my soul. And I had all these goals and

927
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: I was hitting them, but I was miserable, and they

928
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: were like, they were good goals, they weren't necessarily selfish goals,

929
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: they were selfless goals, but nonetheless it felt.

930
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: It just didn't feel that good. And I was like,

931
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: it was super weird.

932
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Because I'm not really a religious person, never really believed

933
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: in God. I kind of my quote back in the

934
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 2: day when I was sixteen was God helps those who

935
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: helps themselves.

936
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

937
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: I used to read that to myself when I was sixteen,

938
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: even though I wasn't religious, because it was like, the

939
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: only person that can do it is you. And then

940
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: about three years ago I started asking this question, God,

941
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: what do you need from me today?

942
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: Wow?

943
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: So I'd wake up every.

944
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: Morning and just like sit at the edge of my

945
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: bed just before i'd drink my two glasses of water,

946
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: and I'd say, you know, God, what do you need

947
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: from me today? And it wasn't like, you know, it's

948
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: not like I'm reading the Bible or you know, it's

949
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: my version of what God is. And I was basically

950
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: just connecting to something higher than me, kind of letting

951
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: go of this control of like I have to will

952
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: power everything. And I got some really interesting insights, like

953
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's one morning it'd be like you need

954
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: to be a better leader and listen better. Other times

955
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: it was like stop trying to reach outcomes and just

956
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: be more. And then I got so pissed off with

957
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: all those goals that I rubbed all them off the

958
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: wyboard in.

959
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: The in the office. And then I just wrote words

960
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: of how I wanted the company to be.

961
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: So it was like loyalty, you know, inclusive, culture, integrity,

962
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: like we just had all these words, and then that's

963
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: when everything started to shift, Like that's when I started

964
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: to operate differently, like from a place of like being

965
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: versus like doing doing doing. And it's still a lesson

966
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: to this day of like I'm calling it relaxation in motion.

967
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: He's kind of like how I'm trying to operate these

968
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: days versus like always in my head of like all right,

969
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: we just got to do this. We've got to do this.

970
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: And per example is delaying the documentary until it felt

971
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: right in our bodies, you know, Like and my leadership

972
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: team same things. Like we just ask each other questions,

973
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: how does it feel for you, Yeah, it feels good.

974
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: How does it feel for you? Oh, it feels a

975
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: bit off for me, Toby, And these are why. These

976
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: are the three reasons why. And then we have a

977
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: discussion about it and we all get on the same

978
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: page of it has to feel good in our bodies

979
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: and it has to feel like it's coming from a

980
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: place of integrity and good intent, and then we say

981
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: yes from there and if it's not, then we will

982
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: just say no.

983
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: It's so funny because you and I there's there's a

984
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: lot of commonality and overlap I had. I've spoken about

985
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: it many times, but a bit of an epiphany when

986
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: I was around the same age.

987
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about that at say again, tell me

988
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: about that, because I think so. I think that's why

989
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: I related to you so much.

990
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there was one stage where I had I

991
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: had a gym in Hampton, a gym in core Field,

992
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: a gym in Brighton. I had two other businesses that

993
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: were at a beauty salon with a bunch of ladies

994
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: working in and I had another business. So I had

995
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: five freestanding like.

996
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: You owned a beauty seal on.

997
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't work in their clear

998
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't benefit from any of the services. Stop

999
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: being fucking rude, you're still do. It was very funny though,

1000
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I agree, hilarious. But the bottom line

1001
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: was at that stage I had about one hundred staff.

1002
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: I had five businesses. They're all making money. I was

1003
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: writing for the Herald Son, I was writing my first book.

1004
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: I was working in radio. I had a pretty big profile.

1005
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: I was seen as something of a minor superstar in

1006
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: the fitness industry, right, or maybe a little bit bigger

1007
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: than that, right, Yeah, big fish, small pond, all that shit, right.

1008
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: And from the outside looking in, my life was fucking Hollywood,

1009
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: you know. It was Hollywood, cars, motorbikes, beach, house, house,

1010
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: all this.

1011
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: Shit, right.

1012
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: And so there's a big difference between the appearance of

1013
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: success and the experience that an individual is having in

1014
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: the middle of what appears to be a successful paradigm,

1015
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: a successful outcome, a successful life. And so I was,

1016
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: depending on your KPI, depending on how you would measure it,

1017
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: I was simultaneously successful and bankrupt. I was mentally, emotionally

1018
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: and spiritually bankrupt. So I told my group on Monday

1019
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: night this, and I apologize to my listeners who have

1020
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: heard it. But right now you can see this spiral

1021
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: bound book in front of me and the pen. Every

1022
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: night I would take one of those to bed because

1023
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: I knew that I would wake up multiple times in

1024
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: the night worried about something, thinking about something, solving a problem,

1025
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: and if I couldn't get it out of my head

1026
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: and onto the page, I couldn't sleep. I would literally

1027
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: do that between five and ten times a night for

1028
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: two years. Wow, I was fucking exhausted. And then I'd

1029
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: rock up to work and I'd bounce around like happy Gilmore,

1030
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, fighting and pretending I was all And it

1031
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: wasn't that I was doing anything inherently evil or bad.

1032
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I was just I was personally living out of alignment.

1033
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: I was like I was pretending that, well, not really pretending,

1034
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: but like I can do business, and I can make

1035
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: lots of dough, and I can be entrepreneurial, but it's

1036
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: not my calling. It's not my purpose, it's not my reason,

1037
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: it's not my reason, it's not what for me anyway,

1038
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: it's not what I'm like. My purpose in life is

1039
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: not to accumulate all the shit I can accumulate. My purpose,

1040
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: I believe, is to help others, to help themselves, to

1041
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: help other people realize and I mean that in both ways,

1042
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: realize their potential to optimize. You know, their their brain power,

1043
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: their genetics, their time, their resources, their skills, their happiness,

1044
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: you know their relationships, their talent, you know all of

1045
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. And yeah, so I just, yeah, I pulled

1046
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: the pin and I sold everything except Harpers on the

1047
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Highway and the Big One, and yeah, and it's been

1048
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: a I think there's that, you know, especially when you're

1049
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: like you and me, is I can't speak on your behalf,

1050
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: but I think you know, I was a fucking I

1051
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: was a very average kid. You were probably more spectacular

1052
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: than me, and that you were a very good athlete. Well,

1053
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: I was shit, but you ended up being a kid

1054
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: with an illness that you needed to navigate.

1055
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I lost that identity in my teenage years.

1056
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: And we both came out of that and went, well, fuck,

1057
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: who are we and what am I doing? Yeah? And

1058
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: the funny thing was that while and you know, I

1059
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: had this brand and this reputation, and I had these skills.

1060
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: I could talk underwater, I could be charming, funny, charismatic.

1061
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I could do all of that right, But at the

1062
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: same time, there was this underlying insecurity, self doubt, self flothing.

1063
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: There was all this stuff that people didn't see because

1064
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: I was so good at playing the Craig harperole, you know.

1065
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: And then then you go, oh, and I think what

1066
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: happens often is we go all right, well, now I've

1067
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: got five businesses, and now I've got all whatever it is.

1068
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: Now I've got twenty four staff or twenty staff or

1069
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: wherever you were at the time, or now I'm fucking

1070
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: eight percent body fat, my arm's eighteen inches, or I'm

1071
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: earning two undergrand or I'm earning four under grand or

1072
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: I've got whatever it is. But the funny thing is

1073
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: you get there and you go, oh, I still feel lonely,

1074
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: i still feel disconnected, i still feel unsure, I'm still insecure.

1075
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: I'm still bullshitting people, and I'm bullshitting myself, and I'm

1076
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: avoiding something and I don't even know what the fuck

1077
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: it is. And so, you know, we grow up in

1078
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: a paradigm, a cognitive, cultural, sociological paradigm. That's is that

1079
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: we are taught that success is about what everyone can see.

1080
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: What you have, what you earn, what you own, what

1081
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: you drive, what people think you, your brand, your followers,

1082
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: your twenty four staff, your dog, your car, whatever, right,

1083
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, But that doesn't necessarily equal fulfillment

1084
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: or contentment or equanimity. Or you know, it's like, oh,

1085
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: it's wildly successful, but spiraling out of control. Now, how

1086
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: many people do you know? And I know that are

1087
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: successful from an outside looking in perspective, but the inside

1088
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: out reality is depression, anxiety, no sleep, overthinking, self doubt,

1089
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: self loathing. You know, the emotional and psychological and even

1090
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: spiritual reality depending on your belief system, is fucking chaos.

1091
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1092
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: So my theory is it like where life happens is

1093
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: in the external three dimensional world, but where living happens

1094
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: is in the internal, the unseen. But we are so

1095
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: focused on what everyone can see, we neglect the bit

1096
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: that people can't see, you know, that that internal space.

1097
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: And it's like if you said to me, I've said

1098
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: this many times, if you said, hahaps, you can talk

1099
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: tonight to ten thousand people for a dollar for a dollar,

1100
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: yeah or nothing, or you can walk over the road

1101
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: to talk to one hundred people for ten grand I'm like.

1102
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: I say to my team every day, just give me

1103
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: I want to speak to more people. That's literally what

1104
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: I say as well.

1105
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, And not just because it's I don't

1106
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: want anything off yeah.

1107
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: Grow.

1108
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: For me, it's just more of a growth thing, like

1109
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: a fun It just feels boring, like if you're just

1110
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: doing the same thing that you've always done. Going ba

1111
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: to your point, do you know Jonathan Helen then do

1112
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: you remember do you ever remember him? He was a bride. Yeah,

1113
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: So dear friend of mine. He passed away rest in pace. Yeah,

1114
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: really special guy to me, Like he's literally on my

1115
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: desk every day I look at him. There's how much

1116
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: of an EVACU made in my life. And one of

1117
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: the funny things about him was he and I learned

1118
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: this just before he passed away, his most successful year

1119
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: that he had in a very successful business property development guy.

1120
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: You know, hundreds of millions of dollars.

1121
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing was was the year that he

1122
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: was most successful.

1123
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: He thought he was the biggest failure. Wow, fucking crazy.

1124
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: Like he he was like, it's not good enough. I

1125
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: should have done more. Why didn't I hit this target?

1126
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: And like he had the most biggest successful year he's

1127
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: ever had, and that was his embankment into personal develpment.

1128
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: I think he hired a personal coach, he started seeing

1129
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: a therapist, and sadly, not long after that, he got

1130
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: cancer and I think he had it. It was about a

1131
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: four and a half year battle. It was a long time,

1132
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: but he had this beautiful evolution whilst he was kind

1133
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: of getting to that endpoint of life, and it was

1134
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: like self actualization and we actually disconnected when he was

1135
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: going for that driven success, entrepreneurial guy. We just split

1136
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 2: apart because our values didn't the line. I was more

1137
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: interested in lifestyle, living a balanced lifestyle and having a

1138
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: mission and caring about people, whereas he was, like he

1139
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 2: was just ruthless. But then once he got cancer, reached

1140
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: back out to me and we connected so deeply. We

1141
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: facedtime every week until he passed away, and we talked

1142
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: and he messaged me at two am in.

1143
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: The morning, Toby, do you believe in God?

1144
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: You know?

1145
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, dude, it's two AMN on a Tuesday morning,

1146
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: Like I'm just trying to get out and it's my

1147
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: breakfast and do some work. I'm like, this is a

1148
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 2: deep conversation. Johnny said, yeah, but do you believe in it?

1149
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, of course, you know, but it

1150
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: was just it was one of the things I learned

1151
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: from him, was just like perspective. And I think you

1152
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: can only get perspective through experience and through challenge. And

1153
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: I think his challenged with cancer woke him up to

1154
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: the reality of truth and what really mattered in life.

1155
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: And it was beautiful, like to watch the last period

1156
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: of his life he got to live a really rich life,

1157
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: which was cool, but there was this like a beingness

1158
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: kind of came from him and a gentleness and a

1159
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 2: different side of him that he that he hid from

1160
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: a long for a long time. I was one of

1161
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: the lucky ones that got to see that. Apparently he

1162
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: never showed that to the to the public, but it

1163
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: was coming out of him. And then I think the

1164
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: biggest thing is it's not about It's not about me.

1165
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: So like I think one of the things that John

1166
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: k You went through and I went through it three

1167
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: years ago, Like I just realized, like, this isn't none

1168
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 2: of this is about me anymore. So there's like there's

1169
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: four levels of leadership. But the last two is like

1170
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 2: there's like the thought leader. Everyone's a thought leader. Now

1171
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: this is from Simon Bown, one of my mentors. Thought leader,

1172
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the go to guy or go

1173
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: to a girl in the industry. Then there's the hero,

1174
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: so like, you know, come with me and I've got

1175
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: my cape and I'm going to save you. I'm amazing,

1176
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: I'll share all the fat off you. I'm the best

1177
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: coach in the world and done it.

1178
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: You know, we've all been there.

1179
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: And then there's the sage, and the Sage is the

1180
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: type of leader that says, hey, I've been through some experiences,

1181
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: I've had this, I've got some knowledge and some information.

1182
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: If you like, I can share it, but what you

1183
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: do with it doesn't really matter. And so the sage

1184
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: kind of teaches from a place of we're all equal

1185
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: and I've just got got some knowledge to share with you.

1186
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: And it's quite a beautiful experience. And I feel like

1187
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: we all have to go through those four levels of

1188
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 2: leadership to get to the sage level. And I feel

1189
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: like the last three to four years for me, I've

1190
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: kind of completely Really it's the last six years of

1191
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: like gone off the hero journey of like this isn't

1192
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: even about me anymore, like the documentary zero about me,

1193
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: my team, my work, not about Tobby Morrison anymore. And

1194
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: it's it's nice because it's like we're all in this

1195
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: for the same reasons, whereas before there was much more

1196
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: self identification of like I'm on my island, you guys

1197
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: are on your island. You do you to help me

1198
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: get what I want and kind of like that ruthlessness

1199
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: with what Johnny went through in that selfishness, and I

1200
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: always say to my team.

1201
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: I think it's.

1202
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: Important to have selfish goals, things that you know that

1203
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: you're doing for yourself, But just as important, what are

1204
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: your selfless goals? You know, what are you doing it

1205
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 2: for on the bigger grand scheme of things. And yeah,

1206
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: it's not about it's not about me anymore. It's kind

1207
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: of like God's work. It's that's how it feels.

1208
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: Can I tell you just a little anecdote.

1209
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: Please please?

1210
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny, Yeah, did you go to his funeral? By

1211
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: any chance?

1212
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 3: I went?

1213
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1214
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: I went to his wake.

1215
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so past to Phil, Yes, I spoke to

1216
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 2: pass the field that night, of course.

1217
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: And you are the one that connected all of that together.

1218
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: Yes, So for anyone who's who's pastor feel so Pastor Phil,

1219
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: this is a very small world. Sorry, everybody, you can

1220
00:58:59,600 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: turn off.

1221
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: This is a very this is actually really a cool story. Yeah.

1222
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: But Pastor Phil also was clearly a pastor of a church,

1223
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: but in a previous life was a physiotherapist. And then

1224
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: it ended up just for shits and giggles, kind of

1225
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: working at my Jim Harper's with his physiotherapy qualification, working

1226
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: with people more as a trainer, and so he was

1227
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: simultaneously a trainer and a past of a church, and

1228
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: he ended up doing Johnny's funeral and yeah, and spend

1229
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: john a lot of time with him.

1230
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: A lot of times.

1231
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 2: So john met him through the gym obviously back in

1232
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: the day, like ten years prior, and Phil was a

1233
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: really fit guy. But Johnny wasn't interested in God, he

1234
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: wasn't interested in spirituality. He just wanted to make money,

1235
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: build homes and make money. That's his only goal. His

1236
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: goal was to become a billionaire and he was close, like,

1237
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,959
Speaker 2: he wasn't that far off when he died, actually died

1238
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: with a lot.

1239
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: Of money in the bank.

1240
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: And what happened was when Johnny got cancer, he remembered

1241
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: I think someone said to him like, well, maybe you know,

1242
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: you should get in touch with God or something like that,

1243
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: and John's like, this is just ridiculous, but remembered Phil,

1244
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: the gym guy who was the pastor and feels a

1245
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: cool pastor, like, you know, there's any type of pasty

1246
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: when I am, it's kind of Phil. And Johnny reconnected

1247
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: with Phil, and it was a really wonderful experience for

1248
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: john because he'd never had that man in his life

1249
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 2: to to kind of talk about spirituality on a deep level.

1250
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, Phil was with him by side the whole

1251
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: way through. And then I was I was so privileged

1252
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: to see Phil at the funeral, and we had a

1253
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: really good chat, and we felt like we were on

1254
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: the lucky ones, you know, because we were in the

1255
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: We were in the room not as business people. And

1256
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: Johnny's brother, basically cousin Jimmy, who you probably remember, I

1257
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: used to train at the gym with Johnny. He said

1258
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: to me, you know, he said, you you knew the

1259
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: real Johnny, And I said, what do you mean. He goes,

1260
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: look around this room, all these guys in suits. He goes,

1261
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: they don't know the real Johnny. Hre of his money,

1262
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 2: because of his business, they don't give a shit about

1263
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: who he was. But you, you're one of the only

1264
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: few people that you really got to know Johnny. And

1265
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: I just assumed that I was. Everyone was the same,

1266
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: but he just didn't let many people in. But the

1267
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: funny thing was is because I didn't give a shit

1268
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: about his money, I didn't give a shit about I

1269
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: never treated him any differently than I would to anybody.

1270
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: Else in the world.

1271
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's why we had such a deep

1272
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: connection and when he got on the BRW rich list

1273
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: I sent him. Everyone was like, oh Johnny, you know

1274
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: you well done, you three hundred million or whatever it was.

1275
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: And I just wrote to him as text means are saying,

1276
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: congratulations made, but how's your heart question mark?

1277
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

1278
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: And you know, like he would just be like what

1279
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, and we'd have these massive conversations and I

1280
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: think he was just blown away because I just wasn't

1281
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: you know. I was way more interested in him as

1282
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: a human. And I guess I'm thankful for my parents

1283
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: of that, because they just brought me up in a

1284
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: world to treat everyone equal. Whether you've got a huge

1285
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: amount of wealth or you were homeless, you know, you're

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01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: all the same. So I feel really privileged because I got,

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Speaker 2: like I said, you know, there's there's only one person

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Speaker 2: on my desk, and it's Johnny Helen n It's because

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01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: of the connection, the level of intimacy he had as

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Speaker 2: a friend friendship group, and I touch base with his

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Speaker 2: son literally two days ago, Archie Helen, and just to

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Speaker 2: check in on him. And I feel like it's my

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01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: duty to make sure that he's okay, even though I

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: barely know him. But I checking on him every couple

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Speaker 2: of months.

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Speaker 3: How you're doing.

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01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm always here for you. Just give me a call,

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Speaker 2: you know. And he's doing great now as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's amazing mate. Well that went off at a

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01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: philosophical tangent, but I love it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't cry. I was about to tear. Every time

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: I talk about Johnny, I usually start crying.

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Speaker 3: So I love it.

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Speaker 1: And just for people who are going feel past a

1305
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: field trainer physio. Just to give you a picture of Phil.

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Speaker 1: Feel's about five to ten and about five to ten wide,

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: a very good looking, very superman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very fit, very like just like huge bicyps.

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Speaker 1: And it does not when you think about a pastor

1310
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Speaker 1: of a church, Phil is not what springs to mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like an he looks like a famous Hollywood

1312
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: actor but like so down to earth and yeah, it looks.

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Speaker 1: More like a Chipendal than a pastor. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely quickly tell people where to find you, follow

1315
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: you and connect with CFS health.

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, CFS Health obviously across all channels. Just type in

1317
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: CFS health and on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook if you want

1318
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Speaker 2: to view into.

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Speaker 3: My personal world. Toby J.

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Speaker 2: Morrison on Instagram and then yes cushealth dot com if

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01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: you're if you or someone you know has chronic fatigue

1322
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: syndrome is looking for a professional step by step help

1323
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Speaker 2: to you know, get healthy and start leaving again.

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Speaker 1: It's been great, mate, I really loved it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man, it's nice to nice to catch up. And

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Speaker 2: you know, you actually look you look great. You look

1327
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: younger every time you where's the wrinkles?

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Speaker 3: Like? What's going on? Are you sponsored by Boatox? Now?

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01:03:59,000 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: You actually look you look great? Man? Like I think

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01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 3: I'll got more wrinkles than you.

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel all right, you look good.

1333
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Speaker 3: What's the secret?

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: What do you know how much I weigh?

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01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: Now I was gonna say seventy nine.

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: Eighty one, but I'm looking clean. I'm hard as a

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Speaker 1: cat's head.

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Speaker 3: Bro, So what's the secret? Are you on minimal cows or.

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Speaker 1: I've just been taking those tablets that you send me

1340
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: in the mail? I mean, what's in them? But fucking

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: hell they're great. Hey, we'll say goodbye affair, but from

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Speaker 1: the moment, thanks buddy, talk again.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure