1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Good day. Thanks so much for dadlining the show. This 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: is better than Yesterday. Useful tools and useful conversations to 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: help make your day today better than yesterday, every week 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: since twenty thirteen. My name Zoshia Ginsburg. I'm so grateful 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: for here, thanks for being a part of the show. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: It's summertime here in Australia, so me and the team 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: are taking a well earned rest. I hope you are too, 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to leave you with nothing for 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: your ear holes today, so we're going back through twelve 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: years of episodes, more than twelve years of episodes now 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: today we are revisiting a conversation with Shane Jenek. You 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: may know better as the performer, the singer, the author, 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: children's book author, one of Australia, is the world's most 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: famous drag queens Courtney Act, a global icon, an absolute legend. Now, 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: this conversation took place in twenty fourteen. It was in 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: my apartment in Venice Beach on the walk streets, right 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: by Washington Boulevard. Shane and I've known each other for 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: a very long time. Shane went to a drama school 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: performance school across the street from the radio station. I 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: first worked at and we would occasionally if we needed kids' 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: voices for adverts, we would get kids from there to 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: walk over and pay them fifty bucks and get him 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: to say stuff on an ad And that's how I 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: first met Shane Shane. Then, you know, we kept in 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: touch and Shane came down to work at Channel V 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: and we've known each other then, Idle, We've known each 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: other for a long time. This conversation is so wonderful 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: because because we know each other and because there's a 29 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: trust between us, we got to explore some very personal, 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: very thought provoking things, including gender fluidity and sexual fluidity. 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Shane has some beautiful insights today on identity and self 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: expression and they are as relevant today as they were 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Now, Shane has been on the podcast 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: for just a couple of weeks ago to talk about 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: his new children's book, Confetti and the Rainbow Garden. It's great, 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: go get it. I read it to Wolfgang the other day. 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: It's just wonderful. But I really want to give you 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: just a taste of what we talked about twelve years ago. Now, 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: gender fluidity. If you've never heard those two words together, 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: it is a concept that I guess might challenge the 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: ideas of male and female identity. I guess. In this 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: part of the conversation, Shane opened up about his experiences 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: with gender and how he straddles a divide between masculinity 44 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: and femininity. The man's got a one hundred kilogram bench press. 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: He's jacked, all right, and it's also an amazing dragqueen. 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: So I started this conversation asking Shane about his relationship 47 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: with gender and how it influences his life. As both 48 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: Shane and. 49 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: Courtney, you know, like we were saying, with sexuality, with 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: gender and with gender identity, because there's the gender you 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: were born, there's the gender that you feel, there's your 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: gender identity, there's all of these other, you know, terms 53 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: and things like that. For me, I feel male. I 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: am male. I enjoy being I'd say a man, but 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: that's really overstating it. Boy the oldest living twink is 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: my efficient. It's my official title on the eve of 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: my thirty second birthday. Handsome, but yeah, I love being 58 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: a boy. And it's funny because I have struggle with 59 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: my gender identity over the years because so many people 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: are like, you make such a pretty girl. You should 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: be a girl, which to some people seems like a 62 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: valid justification. And then, thankfully, I think because I've had 63 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: such a great parent base and support network, I've had 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: the ability to think about, you know, who I am 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: and what that means to me, and I've realized and 66 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: I'm very comfortable being a man, but being Courtney act 67 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 2: is still a part of who I am, and it's 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: more than just a costume. It's kind of intrinsic to me. 69 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: But I don't have any desire to be a woman, 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: to live as a woman. I feel like I just 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: I straddle the gender divide. I get to be a 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: boy and then I get to be as close to 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: a girl as somebody who's not born a girl gets 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: to be in some ways. And oh no, I love 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: having the both worlds. I love the observations that I 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: get to make on how people relate to Shane and 77 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: how they relate to Courtney. 78 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Shane has such a wonderful gift of being able to 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: just explain without bias or anger or resentment, concepts that 80 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: have been used as hot button topics to fire people 81 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: up around election time when people want you to vote 82 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: with fear and just go This is cool. 83 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: This is it. 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: Those ideas about Jenner fluidity just so powerful. I love 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: the way that Shane's He's got this ability to embrace 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: both sides of his identity, being both Shane and Courtney, 87 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: and it really kind of is an example that gender 88 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have to fit into a binary. It is a 89 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: spectrum like everything. Shane's theory is a beautiful example of 90 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: how self awareness and support can help us navigate that. 91 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: The next part I want to talk to you about 92 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: is about sexuality. So we just talked about gender. This 93 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: is about sexuality. We often think sexuality is fixed. I 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: can say I'm a mostly straight male, I'm more straight 95 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: than i'm not. But I know there's the part that 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: I'm not is not insignificant, all right now, Shane kind 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: of the idea of like, oh, you're straight or you're not, Like, 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. In this bit, Shane talks 99 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: about his own experiences with sexual fluidity, and we talk 100 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 1: how his understanding of his own sexuality has evolved over time. 101 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: I didn't really know until I moved to Sydney when 102 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: I was eighteen. It's now looking back, I guess I 103 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: knew earlier, but I never acknowledged it until I was eighteen, 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: because in high school the only thing that I had 105 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: to associate who I was was like faggot and puffta, 106 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: and there always seemed to be something not right about that. 107 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: I didn't feel like there was anything wrong with who 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: I was, and those names seem to have something wrong 109 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: with them, and so I didn't really associate those names 110 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: with me until I was eighteen. It could have very 111 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: well been you who suggested that I pick up a 112 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: copy of the Sydney Star Observer, really a gay newspaper. 113 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: I remember, like, I remember you telling me about it, 114 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that Andrew, he's so worldly, 115 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: because of course you were Andrewah And one of my 116 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: friends took me to the Stonewall Hotel and I just 117 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: it all made sense. And I just remember standing there 118 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: on the second level looking around, and I was like, Oh, 119 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: this is what gay is. Gay isn't faggot. It's lots 120 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: of like minded. I mean, that was one small section 121 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: of gay, a lot of gay men in the nightclub 122 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: listening to Kylie. But there was just something that seemed 123 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable and familiar with well type of gay. 124 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: That's the thing I think with sexuality. It really isn't binary, 125 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: and I think that's one of the sort of the 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: greater issues, is that people tend to pull things. And 127 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: for me, like I've always thought women, you know, when 128 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: I was younger, I guess I thought like fran Dresser, 129 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: she was my idol. I thought she was gorgeous, and 130 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: I thought that I wanted to marry her. I just 131 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: wanted to be her, it turns out, but I do 132 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: you know, I still find women attractive. I've been intimate 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: with women as recently as last year, goodness man, and 134 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: it's just kind of like this sort of spectrum. 135 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: I think I'm so happy I can play these little 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: bits from this show because even all these years later, 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: this is one of those back catalog episodes that still 138 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: gets so many downloads. People find it and listen to 139 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: it because it's just one of those incredibly you know, compassionate, 140 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: wonderful conversations delivered with such empathy and understanding and care 141 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: that helps people kind of feel I guess, oh, it's 142 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: not just me, and that's really quite quite lovely. The 143 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: perspective on sexuality and sexual fluidity is just so refreshing. 144 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: It's nothing in this world is black and white. It's 145 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: never really all night and all day. It's kind of 146 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: bits of dark and light. You know, everything's the spectrum 147 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: and things can evolve over time as well. Shane's story 148 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: is a testament to the importance of self discovery and 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: why it's worth, you know, looking into yourself and embracing 150 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: who you are, even if it challenges a few norms 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: that might exist around you. 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We are taking a 170 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: bit of a time travel to twenty fourteen when Shane 171 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: Jenik sat in my apartment in Venice Beach on a 172 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: lovely Tuesday afternoon. I think it was talking about, you know, 173 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: what it is to be one of the most famous 174 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: drag queens in the world. Shane is a very authentic 175 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: person and living authentically is well, you know, to use 176 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: a reality TV trope word, it's a journey. And Shane 177 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: has definitely spent years exploring what it means for him 178 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: to live authentically. And this last bit I want to 179 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: play you, Shane reflects on how important it is to 180 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: embrace the complexities of identity and sexuality that he has 181 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: revealed within himself. 182 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: There are certainly boys, straight boys who have been the 183 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: term exclusively attracted to women, excluded been with women who 184 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: I have had intimate relations with who Yeah, they just 185 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: kind of like again, it's different. There's some guys who 186 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: who you know, I've never found a guy attractive. I'm 187 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: not attracted to guys, but I like you. There's guys 188 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: who I have had intimate relations with as Courtney who 189 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: have then transferred to Shane. There was one sort of 190 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: like very alpha male looking and sort of guy who 191 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: was a dancer in one of those male you know shows, 192 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: and damn we sort of we saw each other sort of, 193 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: you know a few times a month on and off. 194 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: We went on a date and and it was kind 195 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: of strange for him and and but he kind of 196 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: just went with it and that was kind of cool. 197 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: And actually, in that instance, I had a really interesting 198 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: occurrence because I was the first time that he sort 199 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: of came over one Friday night and I was going 200 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: to be a boy for the first time. I bumped 201 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: into him when I was out of drag and I 202 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: went up and said hello, and he was kind of 203 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 2: like shocked, and then suggested catching up on Friday night. 204 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I'm not working on Friday night, 205 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: so I'm not going to be in drag and he 206 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: was like that's okay, and I was like, okay, you 207 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: know what that means? And so he was coming over 208 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: on Friday night, and I think I was more nervous 209 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: than he was, because we like, I was going to 210 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: be a boy with this like straight guy, and normally 211 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: that you know, involves getting you know, hit upside the head. 212 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: And I was in bed with him, and I was 213 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: like feeling this need to be like Marchho and masculine. 214 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: And I realized in that moment that I had always 215 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: felt the need to be masculine when I was in 216 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: bed with guys as Shane, which is odd because I'm 217 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: not particularly masculine, but in my head guys were attracted 218 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: to me because of my man sculinity. And then I 219 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: was like, well, this guy's never been with a guy. 220 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: He doesn't need me to be masculine. Do I be feminine? 221 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: And in that moment, I was able to let go 222 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: of all of this conditioning, and I instead of being 223 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: masculine or feminine, I was just able to be me. 224 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: Wow. 225 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: And it was this one thing in my life that 226 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: was kind of like this struggle with my own masculinity 227 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: that kind of broke through that night with this straight guy. 228 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: And it's funny because you know it's it can sound sordid, 229 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: but when you're kind of living with some sort of awareness, 230 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: all of the things that come into your life seem 231 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: to have a purpose. And there was kind of a 232 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: really great breakthrough where I was able to just accept 233 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: my own masculinity, my own femininity, and just be me 234 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: for the first time ever in the bedroom. 235 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: I just love this conversation. It's worth listening to the 236 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: whole episode. It's way back in the feed. It's from 237 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. So happy scrolling, but at summer time you're 238 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: probably doing a lot of scrolling anyway. Just shir search 239 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: Shane Jenek in your podcast app and in this podcast 240 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: feed and you'll you'll find it. Shane's reflections on authenticity. 241 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: That's just a wonderful reminder that life isn't about fitting 242 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: into a predefined category. It's about, you know, kind of 243 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: figuring out who it is you are, what you like, 244 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: what you don't like, even if it's complicated, And may 245 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: you gin peace with that, taking responsibility for the bits 246 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: that might make your life difficult in the life of 247 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: others around you difficult, but being at peace with it. 248 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: Shane's Adventures, it's such a powerful example of how self 249 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: awareness and courage can really really free you to have 250 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: a life that is look as far as I can tell, 251 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: but knowing him, and you know I've known him quite 252 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: well for a while, my life is pretty freaking good. 253 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: It's one of the most memorable episodes I've ever recorded. 254 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it. Go back and have a 255 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: listen to the whole thing. Thanks for listening to the 256 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: show today. Thank you so much for the team for 257 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: helping me out all year long. I hope you have 258 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: a wonderful day. Subscribe, like, follow, rate, share this show 259 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: with someone you love. I'll see you back here in 260 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: a couple of days.