Speaker 1: This is the Media Show with Jack houting Hello and
Speaker 1: welcome to the Media Show. I'm Jack Houghton, and tonight
Speaker 1: we'll discuss the departure of Peter Costello from nine and
Speaker 1: look at coverage around the British election. But first, Labour's
Speaker 1: dirty financial relationship with union thugs is back in the
Speaker 1: media spotlight after CFMU boss and convicted harasser John Sector
Speaker 1: took aim at the AFL.
Speaker 2: The Crow's relocation saga is facing an extraordinary threat tonight,
Speaker 2: with a notorious union boss vowing to throw the project
Speaker 2: into chaos.
Speaker 3: John Seka has told the AFL to prepare for major
Speaker 3: disruptions to stadium construction across the nation unless its new
Speaker 3: umpiring boss is given the boot.
Speaker 1: Well, the threat is nothing short of extortion, and you
Speaker 1: could make a pretty good argument it is blackmail and
Speaker 1: you don't believe me. Listen to the convicted wife harasser himself.
Speaker 4: This is going to cost the AFL a lot of money.
Speaker 4: Projects without our full cooperation are going to be a
Speaker 4: misery for them. They will regret the day they ever
Speaker 4: employed him. The plan to instruct CFMEU members to work
Speaker 4: to rule. That means no working on rdios, no overtime.
Speaker 5: No going the extra mine.
Speaker 4: We have an obligation to pursue anti union, anti workers
Speaker 4: like him and we will until the end of the earth.
Speaker 2: That's not threatening man, and I want not make it
Speaker 2: any threats.
Speaker 6: So I'm were talking about exposing people.
Speaker 1: That's how these thugs operate and they prop up labor coffers.
Speaker 1: The AFR reported earlier this year. Unions contributed more than
Speaker 1: five million to labor in the past financial year, with
Speaker 1: the CFMEU and its allied construction shops becoming the biggest
Speaker 1: donors to the Victorian branch in the months leading up
Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty two state election. So how did
Speaker 1: our prime minister respond to sectors clear threats against the AFL.
Speaker 5: A lot of the.
Speaker 3: Issues around version in the NFL giving it's a progerate
Speaker 3: for unions, the seas you can involved in dictating the
Speaker 3: appointment of CEOs and.
Speaker 7: The high level officis.
Speaker 8: The sorry is back to unions and John Sector.
Speaker 6: Do you believe that he should give up on his
Speaker 6: campaign against the APHA.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just not just common sense.
Speaker 1: Incredibly weak and disappointing. And when pressure at press conferences
Speaker 1: became too much for our leaders, their minders started running interference.
Speaker 9: Pressure fell.
Speaker 4: Can I just anic a Wells staff member blowing the
Speaker 4: final sirens?
Speaker 5: I think we're done.
Speaker 1: Now let's bring in tonight's panel joining us as the
Speaker 1: Australian Sophie Elsworth and breakfast radio hosts Stevens send a
Speaker 1: tempo now, Stephen, why don't we start with you?
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us on the show.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's always a bad look when a
Speaker 1: media minder takes that over zealous position where they have
Speaker 1: to block their minister from the questions.
Speaker 5: What did you make of that performance?
Speaker 6: Well, I thought it was terribly awkward television to start with.
Speaker 6: I thought it was really really hard to watch. But look,
Speaker 6: I think it just it's indicative of how the government's
Speaker 6: going at the moment, that ministers are afraid to take
Speaker 6: responsibility for anything. And well, somebody used to else sees
Speaker 6: me running the show, whether it be the unions or
Speaker 6: the minders. It ain't the politicians, that's for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a really good point, Sophie.
Speaker 1: The other thing that, when I'm looking at this story,
Speaker 1: I think some of the questions have maybe missed the
Speaker 1: mark a little bit. It's not so much about whether
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi needs to condemnj On Sector because obviously he
Speaker 1: has been stripped from the Labor Party. The question comes
Speaker 1: down to the financial ties and should Labor accept money
Speaker 1: from an organization which is essentially trying to blackmail the AFL.
Speaker 7: Well Jack, they're really important questions that you ask and
Speaker 7: questions that should be asked of the ministers. And this
Speaker 7: was an incredibly bad look for Anika Wells when the
Speaker 7: PR spinner got involved and was caught on camera basically
Speaker 7: saying no more questions. It's never a good look. It's
Speaker 7: not a good look for the government and they are
Speaker 7: getting themselves tangled in knots over this whole fiasco because
Speaker 7: as we know, John Setka does not back down and
Speaker 7: I don't think the government has handled this overly well.
Speaker 1: But that clip there with.
Speaker 7: The Sports minister was a very bad look and one
Speaker 7: also to be reminded for the PR spinners don't become
Speaker 7: the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good point. And Steve just still
Speaker 1: on this topic, how do you think the punters react
Speaker 1: when they look at this. I mean, the AFL is
Speaker 1: an incredibly popular sport. The implications John Sector's words are
Speaker 1: that they could be delays to new stadiums over this
Speaker 1: petty feud that he has over the umpire appointment. How
Speaker 1: does it play out with if Anthony Albanez he can't
Speaker 1: can't condemn him in a way that the fans think
Speaker 1: is strong enough.
Speaker 5: Does that chip away his popularity?
Speaker 6: Well, of course it does, because I mean there's a
Speaker 6: track record now of the Prime Minister with merely mouth
Speaker 6: responses to things where he really needs to show some
Speaker 6: real strength. I mean we saw it initially with the
Speaker 6: Gaza Israel situation. It doesn't matter what it is, this
Speaker 6: Prime Minister is weak. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: Whether he's a nice bloke or not, it's not the
Speaker 6: issue here. But we need somebody that's going to show
Speaker 6: some leadership. And I understand what you're saying about the
Speaker 6: questions about the financial ties, and yeah they're important questions
Speaker 6: to ask, but it's incumbent on the Prime Minister and
Speaker 6: particularly Tony Birk, the Workplace Relations Minister, to actually come
Speaker 6: out with a strong response to this. Now, it might
Speaker 6: not be their business, as John Setka says it is,
Speaker 6: but it's a bit rich of a union thug to
Speaker 6: say to the Prime Minister. But out this is none
Speaker 6: of your business, because we're talking about something that is
Speaker 6: a national passtime. Now, I know AFL fan, but plenty
Speaker 6: of other people in the country are, and they're going
Speaker 6: to be looking at this thinking, well, hang on a
Speaker 6: sec our Prime Minister won't stand up for us on anything?
Speaker 5: Can he at least stand up.
Speaker 6: For us if these people are going to disrupt our
Speaker 6: sport on the weekends and he won't do that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, really well said.
Speaker 1: Let's move on now to our friend at the ABC,
Speaker 1: star Paul Barry, who was leaving the network after eleven
Speaker 1: years at the helm of media watch. Now, we certainly
Speaker 1: don't always agree with Barry's take on things, but we
Speaker 1: have to say it was refreshing to hear someone from
Speaker 1: inside the ABC turn a critical lens on the organization
Speaker 1: recently over its attempts to transform to the digital age. Now,
Speaker 1: he made some very valid points about the massive organization
Speaker 1: somehow being unable to cover major breaking news.
Speaker 2: So why was the ABC's TV coverage second rate? Lack
Speaker 2: of firepower, resourcing and experience are among the issues being
Speaker 2: raised internally, with some new staff furious at a lack
Speaker 2: of urgency and breaking news culture at the news channel
Speaker 2: and another blaming low morale and skeleton staffing at the weekend,
Speaker 2: telling us.
Speaker 5: You can't keep on doing everything with nothing.
Speaker 2: But ABC managers clearly don't agree. Internal emails, we've seen
Speaker 2: show bosses calling the coverage well executed and superb, and
Speaker 2: in response to a series of questions, the ABC defended
Speaker 2: its coverage, calling it urgent but measured, and saying.
Speaker 9: The team sustained comprehensive rolling coverage for around five hours
Speaker 9: and provided the video and livestream coverage for the website
Speaker 9: and app, ABC I View, YouTube and Facebook. It did
Speaker 9: exactly what it's there to do.
Speaker 2: Sadly, the evidence says otherwise, and in comparison to nine's
Speaker 2: leading coverage, it was miles off the pace. In fact,
Speaker 2: we wonder how the ABC can justify having a dedicated
Speaker 2: news channel if it can't do better on breaking stories
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: Sophie Elsworth, can you get your take on this? Eleven
Speaker 1: years for a show like that is quite an innings.
Speaker 1: I think he's had his ups and downs. I think
Speaker 1: he's definitely made mistakes like we all do in this industry.
Speaker 1: But how would you rate his performance so over that decade?
Speaker 7: Well, I definitely think in recent times Jack that Paul
Speaker 7: Barry has become more critical of the ABC, and I
Speaker 7: don't know that that would be going down so well
Speaker 7: with those who work at the taxpayer funded broadcaster. I
Speaker 7: don't always agree with his takes on things, obviously, I
Speaker 7: think he's had far too much of a focus on
Speaker 7: news corp content rather than looking across the whole media spectrum.
Speaker 7: He does work for the public broadcaster and should be
Speaker 7: looking across all media outlets, not just focusing on ones.
Speaker 7: Perhaps that he dislikes himself. However, I think he has
Speaker 7: done some good work on the ABC. I think he
Speaker 7: has held the ABC to account on various times when
Speaker 7: they needed to be held to account.
Speaker 1: But I think it is time for.
Speaker 7: The show to have a refresh. He has been there
Speaker 7: a long time, as we said, over a decade, so
Speaker 7: it'll be very interesting to see who they do replace
Speaker 7: him with, but hopefully it is with someone who looks
Speaker 7: more broadly across the media outlets rather than focusing on news.
Speaker 1: Call Yeah, Steve, I think that's fair to say every
Speaker 1: night that there's a lot of the news Court papers
Speaker 1: that seem to get a bit of his focus. I
Speaker 1: think that's a fair comment to make.
Speaker 5: What do you think of this story? What do you
Speaker 5: think of his performance?
Speaker 6: Look, I just think it was a funny story saying,
Speaker 6: you know, talking about resourcing at the ABC, when I'm
Speaker 6: led to believe that media Watch has something like a
Speaker 6: dozen producers. Maybe he could have lent them some of
Speaker 6: his staff and they could have done a better job covering.
Speaker 5: That particular story.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but look, I got to be honest,
Speaker 6: I don't watch a lot of Media Watch. I find
Speaker 6: the concept a little bit distasteful, the media taking potshots
Speaker 6: at itself. But you know, the reality is that on
Speaker 6: a number of occasions, Paul Barry has called out the ABC,
Speaker 6: and good on him for that. This wasn't the only time.
Speaker 6: The only time I ever sort of take any notice
Speaker 6: of it is when he does have a crack at
Speaker 6: the ABC. So I go back and watch those particular episodes,
Speaker 6: and look, you know, longevity's great. Anyone that can stay
Speaker 6: at a job for eleven years in this industry is
Speaker 6: doing something right, despite the fact that it's only fifteen
Speaker 6: minutes of television a week, so it's not particularly arduous.
Speaker 6: But good honing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Sophie, Steve touches on a really important point
Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of disgruntled people at
Speaker 1: the ABC that he was taking such a pretty big
Speaker 1: swing at their coverage when there are so many people
Speaker 1: that work on the program for just fifteen minutes of television.
Speaker 1: When we're talking about what a rebranded show would be
Speaker 1: with a new host, do you think that the taxpayers
Speaker 1: need to get a little bit more bang for their buck.
Speaker 7: Perhaps, Well, as Steven said, he is producing a show
Speaker 7: or hosting a show that is fifteen minutes a week,
Speaker 7: and he puts out the media bytes on a Thursday,
Speaker 7: which is a couple of clips on a Thursday evening.
Speaker 7: So in terms of the grand scheme of things, some
Speaker 7: would argue it's not a lot of content, given there's
Speaker 7: quite a few staff that work for this program. And
Speaker 7: we do know that the ABC, like many media organizations,
Speaker 7: has undergone staffing cuts. So once they refreshed the show,
Speaker 7: they have a new host perhaps so overhauled a format
Speaker 7: of it. But Paul Barry is in the hot seat.
Speaker 7: He is hosting the program until the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a quick break. But when
Speaker 1: we're back inside the Fall of Peter Costello, Welcome back
Speaker 1: Nine's chair. Peter Costello has now resigned after a disgraceful
Speaker 1: incident where he pushed a reporter from The Australian to
Speaker 1: the ground. Now, if you somehow missed the moment, which
Speaker 1: has been broadcast around the country, here's a quick recap.
Speaker 10: Well, you've got to answer.
Speaker 5: Your questions, mister. You've just assaulted You've just assaulted me
Speaker 5: behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: Costello was facing pressure to resign after that brutish display
Speaker 1: was caught on camera, but publicly nine's PR team was
Speaker 1: denying anything had happened at all. They released this statement.
Speaker 1: After arriving at Canberra Airport, the chairman was confronted by
Speaker 1: a journalist from The Australian. In the course of filming
Speaker 1: the chairman. While walking backwards, the journalist collided with an
Speaker 1: advertising placard and fell. At no point did the chairman
Speaker 1: strike the journalist. So what changed at nine?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: As the ABC's Peter Ryan pointed out, costello resigning was
Speaker 1: humiliating as it showed his own statement could not have
Speaker 1: been correct.
Speaker 8: We had been expecting this was possibly likely to come
Speaker 8: out even late on Friday evening. Remember this is a
Speaker 8: long weekend, so this is an announcement from no entertainment
Speaker 8: on the Sunday of a long weekend. But given the
Speaker 8: events of last week where mister Costello had that altercation
Speaker 8: with Liam Mendez, a reporter for The Australian at Canberra Airport,
Speaker 8: there's been a lot of speculation that this appeared to
Speaker 8: be imminent. But overall, this is a major humiliation with
Speaker 8: Peter Costello because as late as Friday last week, he
Speaker 8: had rejected suggestions that he had assaulted the reporter from
Speaker 8: The Australian, Liam Mendez, and he brushed off suggestions that
Speaker 8: he should design or was under pressure to resign.
Speaker 1: Well, Sophie, let's bring you in here. Great work by
Speaker 1: The Australian getting that and then getting that footage and
Speaker 1: then covering the story. The thing that I'm interested in
Speaker 1: is how the story evolved from a pr point of view,
Speaker 1: and how nine went from this steadfast position that nothing
Speaker 1: had gone wrong to eventually he has to leave the
Speaker 1: organization with that rather long winded statement that he gave
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 7: Well, I think this played out pretty quickly because that
Speaker 7: imagery and that video with the journalist Lam Mendez did
Speaker 7: go viral and it was an awfully shocking look for
Speaker 7: mister Costello, and I think a lot of people were
Speaker 7: left thinking, Okay, he looks like in that video he
Speaker 7: has barged into him, knocked him over, stood over him,
Speaker 7: laughed at him, and then marched off. So it was
Speaker 7: an incredibly bad look for the chairman of a media
Speaker 7: outlet who employs hundreds of journalists and some of them
Speaker 7: work for programs that do exactly that. So I think
Speaker 7: mister Costello thought that he could hold on to his chairmanship,
Speaker 7: but obviously this quickly changed over the weekend when he
Speaker 7: lost the support what appears to be definitely from no
Speaker 7: There were very critical articles of him, very critical article
Speaker 7: of him this week in the SMH in their editorial,
Speaker 7: and I think it was just untenable. That's what I
Speaker 7: was being told for him to hang on to the chairmanship.
Speaker 7: So the footage spoke for itself, and I don't think
Speaker 7: he was going to be able to worm his way
Speaker 7: out of it, and clearly that was the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting and Steve Keen to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts here as well, But I would make the comment
Speaker 1: that the publishing arm the SMH, they did a pretty
Speaker 1: good job of pushing it out really quickly. Even though
Speaker 1: obviously the ownership structure meant that he was their chair.
Speaker 1: But the thing that really stood out to me is
Speaker 1: that they had somewhat rejected the statement from nine's own
Speaker 1: PR team, and it was really buried down the bottom.
Speaker 1: It's not what they led with, which then goes into
Speaker 1: the credibility of what statements are actually being put out.
Speaker 5: But what are your thoughts.
Speaker 6: Well, look, my opinion on this is probably unpopular because
Speaker 6: I don't think better cost I should have been forced
Speaker 6: to resign over this, and I hate this kind of
Speaker 6: journalism where you bail people up. It's like when the
Speaker 6: media scrumbs chased somebody out of a courtroom looking for
Speaker 6: a comment that's never going to eventuate. I think it's poor,
Speaker 6: poor journalism. I know it's what's done, and I know
Speaker 6: the Channel nine are guilty of it too. I just
Speaker 6: think it's got to stop. There's better ways to do this.
Speaker 6: But let's be fair about this. The old Fairfax arm
Speaker 6: of Channel nine wouldn't be particularly enamored by Peter Costello
Speaker 6: being their boss. They weren't fans of his when he
Speaker 6: was in Parliament, and they probably weren't fans of his
Speaker 6: before the merger. So I'm not surprised that the SMH
Speaker 6: and the Age and that part of nine went after
Speaker 6: their boss. But look, given the media furor that erupted
Speaker 6: after this, I think his position did become untenable and
Speaker 6: he did the right thing and stood down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very very good points.
Speaker 7: How do you do these?
Speaker 5: Can I just interrupt jacksco?
Speaker 7: How do you actually get answers from people? We were
Speaker 7: chasing mister Costello for weeks. We were repeatedly asking him questions,
Speaker 7: and so it does take that if you email them,
Speaker 7: call them, contact them, you go through their spinners, and
Speaker 7: you get nothing back. It results in journalists having to
Speaker 7: door stop them, having to approach them when they probably
Speaker 7: don't expect them to, because otherwise you get no response.
Speaker 7: And it might be a type of journalism that people
Speaker 7: do not like, but sometimes it does take this type
Speaker 7: of journalism to get the answers that we deserve. So Steve, respectfully,
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 5: You still don't get the answers? You still didn't get
Speaker 5: the answers. You still didn't get the answers.
Speaker 6: That's the bat he did not handle it well.
Speaker 5: It's a good point.
Speaker 1: The other thing, though, is that Costello was a chair
Speaker 1: of a company that did profit off that style of journalism,
Speaker 1: and his guys, a current official, played it just as
Speaker 1: hard as anybody, and if he wanted to, he could
Speaker 1: have done a cultural change to not have that kind
Speaker 1: of focus. So I think that when you're in a
Speaker 1: certain position, you do know what the game is, and
Speaker 1: that's the way that I look at it. But you know, Steve,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of commentary public commentaries suggesting similar things,
Speaker 1: So I definitely don't think you're alone there. I think
Speaker 1: it is a complex case. But you know, he's he's
Speaker 1: the big the big guy, and you've got to you've
Speaker 1: got to take what you dish out against. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let's move on now to the British election, where the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Rishi Sunak had another shock a week after
Speaker 1: he cut short a D Day ceremony in France to
Speaker 1: go and do this media interview.
Speaker 5: Good to see you, very nice to see sorry too, well,
Speaker 5: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it all just ran there was incredible, but it
Speaker 1: just ran over every time.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it was an apology for keeping you No,
Speaker 5: not at all. I'm sure it's a powerful trip. I mean,
Speaker 5: so pertinent as well this year, you know, considering what's
Speaker 5: happened in the.
Speaker 2: Ukraine, which I haven't seen President Biden's remarks by maybe
Speaker 2: that's kind of the echo it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get to meet any of the veterans
Speaker 1: or were you the ceremony not.
Speaker 5: Yesterday in the day. Yeah, yeah, I've already spoke to
Speaker 5: almost everyone that was there. I hope it.
Speaker 1: Has caused a major back We're Sunak apologizing and conceding
Speaker 1: it was a mistake to leave early. But even though
Speaker 1: his apology was swift, it led to awkward moments like
Speaker 1: this being televised to the world.
Speaker 8: What can you say?
Speaker 5: They're politicians.
Speaker 10: They're politicians. They don't have a great regard to politicisans.
Speaker 10: But yesterday American president, the German Chancellor, the French president,
Speaker 10: they all stay to the end, and our Prime minister
Speaker 10: left early. And I wonder if he's eineering, Yeah, because
Speaker 10: you went, he's got the next As a British veteran,
Speaker 10: what does that? What does that say to you? What's
Speaker 10: your emotions? And I think he lets the country.
Speaker 5: Down, Steve.
Speaker 1: Politicians when they're putting electioneering before these actual events, where
Speaker 1: first of all, they have the opportunity to show some
Speaker 1: humanity and talk to these people who've served their country.
Speaker 5: I mean, what a complete own.
Speaker 6: Goal, no doubt about it. I think he probably thought
Speaker 6: he was being smart. I'll leave David Cameron behind because
Speaker 6: he's a better performer than I am, and I'll go
Speaker 6: and carry on with election campaigning. Just poor form all around.
Speaker 6: And I think that's all you can say about Richie Sunac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie, your thoughts. I mean, there was some suggestion
Speaker 1: that David Cameron had given him some bad advice and
Speaker 1: I noticed that even David Cameron was getting peppered with
Speaker 1: questions about it. So the flow ons have hurt the
Speaker 1: entire party. It's a really bad look.
Speaker 7: Well, it was a bad look, Jack, and one that
Speaker 7: has dominated headlines in the UK for days. And Richie
Speaker 7: Sunac put out an apology on social media, which I
Speaker 7: get again, I don't think was a good way to
Speaker 7: handle it. But a pr disaster for a prime minister
Speaker 7: who is about to lose an election, so in the
Speaker 7: grand scheme of things, that certainly won't help him. And
Speaker 7: I think he's finished anyway in terms of trying to
Speaker 7: win the election. But this was bad headline are early
Speaker 7: on in the campaign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Well, let's go to Stories of the
Speaker 1: week and Steve, what do you have for us?
Speaker 6: Look, I think this is a story that shows you
Speaker 6: everything is wrong with the modern world and everything's wrong
Speaker 6: with the influencer movement. An Instagram influencer who makes a
Speaker 6: living out of putting bikini photos of herself on Instagram
Speaker 6: upset that blokes who are in relationships are liking her
Speaker 6: Instagram stories and she's going to dub them in. I'm
Speaker 6: not quite sure how she's going to do this, but
Speaker 6: have a listen to.
Speaker 5: What she said.
Speaker 4: So if you have a girlfriend and you dare like
Speaker 4: my Instagram story of me in like a bikini or
Speaker 4: a selfie or just just in general.
Speaker 1: I am not one to play.
Speaker 3: I will tell your.
Speaker 10: Girlfriend that you liked my story. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Guy with longtime girlfriends like most, No, you're a weasel
Speaker 1: and you're a bit of a loser, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: your girlfriend you're cheating, sack of potatoes.
Speaker 5: I'm not the one.
Speaker 10: Get off Instagram, okay, because you're embarrassing.
Speaker 6: So the question is she stalking all of her followers
Speaker 6: to the point where she knows they all have boyfriends
Speaker 6: or husbands or long term partners. I mean look, I
Speaker 6: have very very few Instagram followers, but unless I know
Speaker 6: them personally, I don't know their private lives enough to
Speaker 6: go and dob them in for liking stories on Instagram.
Speaker 5: When I think that's exactly what she wants.
Speaker 6: She puts up a keenie photos so the people are
Speaker 6: gonna like them, so that you can then say to people,
Speaker 6: give me free stuff because I've got this many followers
Speaker 6: and this many likes, and I don't get this, but
Speaker 6: I think it highlights everything that's wrong with the modern generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a bit of a stunt by
Speaker 1: her as well.
Speaker 5: And Sophie, what do you have for us?
Speaker 7: So on a more serious note, Jack, the death of
Speaker 7: doctor Michael Moseley. There was really sad stories out this
Speaker 7: week about how he wanted to see his grandchildren grow up,
Speaker 7: and he talked about how his father didn't because he
Speaker 7: died at a young age and then sadly the same
Speaker 7: thing has happened to him. So shocking tale. And for
Speaker 7: someone who changed the lives of so many, I think
Speaker 7: he will be sadly missed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's a horrible story and a lot
Speaker 1: of audience appetite for it as well. If you look
Speaker 1: at the data. But thank you both so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. That's all the time that we have for tonight.
Speaker 5: Up next is left.
Speaker 1: He's losing it with Rita Panahe