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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: Growing up Boldy, I was a young kid from the

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Speaker 2: the the Commission area, you know, and I was only

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Speaker 2: later years and sort of shot up just after eighteen

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Speaker 3: So I was always just a worried little little bloke.

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Speaker 3: But I would never take a ftal step.

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Speaker 4: But I find that hard to believe, giant, he's a

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Speaker 4: little guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just and then just spiral from me, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've got a beat a million times in

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Speaker 3: the street and messed around at school and things like that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I never, never, never, always had the crack.

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Speaker 3: And probably that's probably why I got beat up a

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Speaker 3: few times because I never shut my mouth.

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Speaker 1: You have a crack if someone who cracked me.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it slowly rolled on to where it went,

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Speaker 3: you know, sort of today, and yeah, I'm pretty staked

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Speaker 3: from what it became or what I what I thought

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Speaker 3: I was doing for just you know, getting fit and

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Speaker 3: having a fight, you know, going halfway around the world fighting,

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Speaker 3: you know, with all these people that I'd only ever

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Speaker 3: seen them names up in big lights and thought, oh ship,

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Speaker 3: and you're right every time going to fight, even you're

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Speaker 3: always nervous no matter what. But you know, I always

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Speaker 3: just try to keep it in my mind that you're

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Speaker 3: going in there, you're gonna get punched up, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It's going to hurt.

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Speaker 3: So you you know, it's only you're getting punched up

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Speaker 3: in front of you know, thousands of people might have

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Speaker 3: been embarrassing if you get k straight home, But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it worked out better for them.

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Speaker 1: That worked out worse, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I don't think people truly understand how hard and.

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Speaker 1: How do you forty eight?

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Speaker 5: So that's what I was about to say.

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Speaker 4: It is our ear and this week can both relate

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Speaker 4: to back then. It was quite hard, if I can

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Speaker 4: use this way of being a white fellow as such

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Speaker 4: growing up in the commission Aies because pronominantly it was

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Speaker 4: either strong Islander or strong Indigenous or Asian like. It

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Speaker 4: was very multicultural, but they stuck to their own and

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Speaker 4: you were always the outsider within these communities.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I remember being that kid.

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Speaker 4: You know, you'd cut through the bush and you get

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Speaker 4: jumped three four out, you know, by the brothers of

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Speaker 4: the area for your his shoes or your pushbike or

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Speaker 4: whatever it was. And if it happened once it would

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Speaker 4: continue to happen, so you had to at some stage

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Speaker 4: take control. And however you had to do it, you

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Speaker 4: had to stand your ground. With that come a lot

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Speaker 4: of floggers. That was just how it was growing up

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Speaker 4: in the Housing Commission areas back there, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: And I grew up where I grew up in Jordanville

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Speaker 3: and Chadstone and then you know, went to a few

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Speaker 3: different schools, obviously getting kicked out of school being a

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Speaker 1: So it was hugely island are populated.

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Speaker 3: And you know that was my most of my hidings

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Speaker 3: off the island of boys and half of we're sort

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Speaker 3: of cousins of friends that I was knocking around with,

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Speaker 3: the white bloke, you know, and you know that's yeah,

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Speaker 3: so here fustle by lunging and you are your hands up,

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Speaker 3: you don't know who's coming from. But yeah, it molded

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Speaker 3: me into the sort of bloke that I sort of

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Speaker 3: I was underfeend against the Holders because I just didn't

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Speaker 3: already been beaten up by him so long. And some

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Speaker 3: of those places and my best friends, they're still to

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Speaker 3: this day, you know. You know, they're like family to me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was there was we had a game

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Speaker 3: back years ago. It was an awesomalle game called too

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Speaker 3: for to one And now we're all older that but me,

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Speaker 3: myself and another white boy you'd call it, Jeff was

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Speaker 3: the rest of them all holders. So, you know, a

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Speaker 3: few drunken nights we all so, you know, we we

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Speaker 3: copped a few hidings, but there the same, you know,

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Speaker 3: that was only this young guy shop, you know. And

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Speaker 3: then as we got older, you know, they're, like I said,

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Speaker 3: half from a church now and we're all the best mates.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't have changed that.

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Speaker 4: They are a beautiful natured culture, especially Smons.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was actually had the the honor of being raised

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Speaker 4: by a family of Lord Tours for many years whilst

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Speaker 4: I was growing up as a young person on the

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Speaker 4: in and you know, you understand the culture and you do,

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Speaker 4: but unfortunately the cousins and the friends aren't the ones

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Speaker 4: the family, and they're always the ones that are going

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Speaker 5: And for some reason you just I don't know. It

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Speaker 5: was always about acceptance, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very true it was.

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Speaker 3: And it's you know, you go to a party and

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Speaker 3: you just knew once once started getting drinking, you get

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Speaker 3: just it's part and parcel and I suppose part growing

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Speaker 3: you know because it's like I said, it's molded me,

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Speaker 3: you know, it shaped me into to myself. And and

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Speaker 3: it was very respectful too, though, a very respectful you know,

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Speaker 3: which was which was a good thing. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: I was just remembering some of the time the times

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I find that too, even hearing you

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Speaker 5: And you're so relatable. How was home for you growing

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Speaker 3: I was pretty ship at the start, obviously Marrisitian background.

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Speaker 3: I'm fathers from Rodrigue Islands. He sort of left when

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Speaker 3: I was about We never had him around. You know,

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Speaker 3: it was violent before that, getting bashed and all all

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Speaker 3: sorts of stuff like that. Watch him, I'm getting bashed,

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Speaker 3: all the all the normal stuff. And then yeah, then

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Speaker 3: which I don't really speak too much about because you know,

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Speaker 3: gotten all, I've learned to deal with it a lot better.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, being touched up by certain people and and

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Speaker 3: You know, a cousin that was in and out of

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Speaker 3: And all sorts of ship and you just when you're

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Speaker 1: Around and then he'd beat on the nod and ship

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Speaker 3: It was just yeah, it's just shipthouse and you go

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Speaker 3: to your grandmothers and it's like a new world was beautiful,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that good.

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Speaker 4: It's it's something that us as men today that we

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Speaker 4: I've said it before. It was rife within the communities there,

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Speaker 4: and it was just what took place. This is was

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Speaker 4: and then when you spoke about it, like I remember

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Speaker 4: the first time I spoke about I got flogged for

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Speaker 4: talking about the brothers that were molesting me behind because

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Speaker 4: their uncle would drink with me, old man, and they'd

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Speaker 4: be on the charge all night, and then I'll mate

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Speaker 5: You know that he was doing it.

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Speaker 4: And then like it was just you couldn't speak about it,

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Speaker 4: and then you become too scared to even bring it out,

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Speaker 4: it's it's It's hard, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean it, I dealt with a lot of like

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a fucking in my head, was

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Speaker 1: And then when I got old enough to.

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Speaker 3: Sort of become a man standing on ground, and you know,

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Speaker 3: because those people are obviously close people and they're still

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Speaker 3: that's what I just thought. Turned and having my first son,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not having these cunts around my son.

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Speaker 3: And as you know yourself, all these fucking maggots, they

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Speaker 3: all interlocked with each other. There's so many of them,

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Speaker 3: and all this because they know where they get a

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Speaker 3: vulnerable little kid, that's right, the.

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Speaker 4: One that's got nowhere to turn and no one that

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Speaker 5: So you're talking shit, yep, you know you're just causing trouble.

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Speaker 1: Yep, one hundred percent. So, which is fucking hard.

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Speaker 3: And ship but you know, it's it's it's how they

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Speaker 3: it's how they survive and how they go about it

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Speaker 3: because you know, they discover of the earth.

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Speaker 4: Really, it's it's only today that you know, you see

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Speaker 4: as we both are now strong enough to not give

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Speaker 4: two fucks in reference to I guess bringing it to

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Speaker 4: as fathers, as community people, as someone within you know,

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Speaker 4: a world level of sporting. You know, these things that

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Speaker 4: need to be heard, and if we talk up about them,

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Speaker 4: it gives the confidence knowing someone like yourself, a warrior,

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Speaker 4: you know, a man of such strong.

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Speaker 5: A stature is comfortable now speaking about this.

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Speaker 4: Then poor little Johnny down there that's you know, frightened

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Speaker 4: for his life, that may look up to you, will

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Speaker 4: then open up and speak up, you know, and it

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Speaker 4: has to stop. You know, these things do set you

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Speaker 4: on a path of fucking destruction. Trauma, addiction, jail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the above. And people don't realize.

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Speaker 3: You know, you see these people get off with if

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Speaker 3: you go rob a bank, you know, you get eight

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Speaker 3: years because you've destroyed people's lives because they're scared. But

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Speaker 3: these comps can touch kids up and completely destroy lives.

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Speaker 3: You know, they they kill themselves, get on the drugs

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Speaker 3: or just you know, you know what it's like. It's

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Speaker 3: it's never away from you, and they're lucky to get

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Speaker 3: be put somewhere, and now they're supporting them.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking wrong. But the world's ran by these scums.

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Speaker 1: I fucking hate it. You know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: die too too much into that I start tearing off

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Speaker 1: on on them base.

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Speaker 4: No, it's looking an important conversation. And look to those

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Speaker 5: A warrior that's able to stand up and speak up.

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Speaker 4: So just know that if you are out there and

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Speaker 4: to any of us shooting of our connections, our meetings,

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Speaker 4: and there's organizations out there now that will we'll listen

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Speaker 4: and you will be heard and action will be taken.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely. You can get it to me Facebook, Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to know you one bit.

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Speaker 3: Just get on and say something on the opening of

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Speaker 3: have spoken to a lot more opening openly back then.

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Speaker 3: You know, might not going through half of what I

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a hard man.

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Speaker 3: But and if I went through what I went through

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Speaker 3: I'll wear it because I know my kids will never

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Speaker 1: Oh. You know, if you don't do this, your dad's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be very angry. You know, all the little

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Speaker 3: say you know it's happened. I can't change it, put

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Speaker 3: them and make them smarter to watch out for these

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