WEBVTT - This is Alice Springs: Children of the Intervention 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.520 This town is a sad story, especially for black fellows, 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:08.760 I guess for non Indigenous people. It's a beautiful town. 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.319 Not in the landscape it's beautiful, but for us to 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.560 live here as a local, it's a sad story. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.720 This is Uncle Brian. He's an arunder man. This is 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.720 his land, this is his town. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.720 Well, we want to shoulders allis Springs in a different way, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.160 in a black fellow way, not just white fellow way, 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.040 white flow way. You call Alice Springs Alice. You know 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.240 who's Alice. We don't know Alice. It's called Umbando. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.199 We're sitting in a park. It's at the base of 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.000 one of those age old Rockier scarments that surround this town. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.280 It's mid afternoon. Meet his Way as a children's play area, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:57.520 empty swings, empty slides. With us is Damien, another arunder man. Goodness. Yeah, 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.720 with him is his son by, tall and slender, eighteen 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.240 years of age, dressed in a Nike hoodie too much 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.880 for a Southerner and a warm Central Australian day, but 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.040 suitable for a local. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.280 That's my son, Bison. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.679 Bison there go. Yeah, a bit warmer up here than 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:17.800 it is in Melbourne. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.160 Tell me about. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.880 Together. Uncle, Brian, Damien, and Bison represent three generations of 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.399 arunder men. Damien is in his thirties. Looks like he's 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.959 just jumped off the back of a steed. He's wearing 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.080 a check shirt with the sleeves removed, jeans and boots, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.319 boots covered in dust, red dust. The town we're in now, 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.560 the one his son Bison grew up in, has changed 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.000 a lot since Damien was a kid. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.280 Well growing up here. From a young person, there's goodly 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:48.640 in town. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:50.000 Yeah, I loved it. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.360 I still love it today, but I think some of 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.160 them the sweet part of Alice is no longer here. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.000 I think it's worn a bit sour to be hones. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.840 What's it like living in Alice Springs? Pretty hush? 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.200 It looks good now, but my time it looks a 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.799 little good, like trenchous vibes. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.200 You know these things better stay stay in your home. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.400 It's too dangerous for non Indigenous people. And like me, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.200 being a local, as I and a man, I don't 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.000 feel safe organ streets at night because I. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:21.760 Get a tack tooo. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.200 That's that you can one kid walk up to your 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.120 little twelve ye, I'll ask you for a cigarette and 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.680 you tell you that nothing he sings out for his mates. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.880 They only them gangs and all that. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.600 It's those gangs that have become infamous here and across 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.760 the country. Kids roaming in the streets looking for trouble 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.919 and if they can't find it, making trouble. Things really 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.440 kicked off earlier this year with what's been described as 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.080 a riot in town. He started at the Todd Tavern, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.600 not too far from where we are now, within Alice Springs, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:01.119 nowhere as far away. At this pub, the Todd glass 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.840 was smashed. Bricks were just pelted out of people or 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.560 running up and fly kicking. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.400 They've taken twenty meter jumps and jumping in the glass trying. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:09.760 To smash it. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.240 A flying sidekick punches rocks and even bricks rick. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.800 This is when the headline started. In cities and towns 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.679 across Australia, we read about chaos and rampages. One newspaper 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.560 described the kids here as tiny menaces stuck on a 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:27.680 turnstile of trouble. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.960 A couple of views, some of who look younger than 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.200 ten years old, damage more than sixty cars. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.880 They're hanging out the window, hooning through Alice Springs. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:38.320 This resource. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.680 She was startled, according to police, by the children breaking. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:43.119 Into her home. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.600 She was then attacked and hit in the face with 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.400 a rock by one. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.720 Police were given extraordinary powers to arrest the violence to 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:51.520 put an end to it. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.120 An emergency situation has been declared in Alice Springs following 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.560 a wave of violence in the Northern Territory town. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.560 These curf ears for both adults and children and will 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.560 be enforced from ten pm to six am between those 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:07.000 We will. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.680 Back our police to enact this curfew and do what 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.560 is needed to improve community safety in Alice Springs. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.880 Like fly in and fly out, workers politicians derived to 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.039 blame one another for the carnage. The people of Alice 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.720 Springs became political footballs in the process. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.039 And you've got kids here tonight who are going to 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.960 be sexually abused, or families where domestic violence has now 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.280 become a current occurrence. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:33.640 Send in the. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.920 Riot Squad, the eightyf whoever it takes. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.520 To bring calm to our streets. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:42.520 That came on the back of one of the most 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.080 divisive debates in the country's history, the referendum on the 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.359 Voice to Parliament. There was yet another time when Aboriginal 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.279 people were spoken about more than we were spoken to. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.000 It's been twelve months since that debate and I've come 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.040 here to the heart of things, Alice Springs, Arta to 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.560 hear the voices of people here. I want to know 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.720 what happens when the great Australian silence once again surrouds 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.120 this town once the carnival of political debate heads down 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.440 the road, and how all the interventions big and small 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.080 by governments of or persuasions have led to this moment 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.000 of chaos. What I found is that almost all of 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:29.640 it leads back to one thing. I'm Daniel James from 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:35.080 Schwartz Media and seven AM. This is Alice Springs Episode one, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:36.760 Children of the Intervention. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.520 Lately, as i'm there haven't been a lot of tourists 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.360 traveling through due to some of the issues and Alice 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.160 Springs people are afraid. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.159 And Damien's offered to take us on a tour of 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.279 the town. This is us driving around with him and Bison. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:12.640 The media reporting has been pretty full on youreck, and 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.760 that's in an effect on tourism. Yeah. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.359 Look, I think it's scared away a lot of even 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:18.799 people with small businesses. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.000 I've been here before and there's a noticeable change for starters. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.760 You can't buy a drink here to take away. On 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.520 Mondays and Tuesdays, the bars are empty. The thriving backpacker 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:31.760 scene seems to have shrunk. 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.560 There's a main part of the CBD. Yeah, bring your 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.120 shopping center. That's where most people come for their shopping. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.600 And we passed the Todd Tavern opposite the footy ground. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.560 On the surface, the spread of a pub typical of 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.080 a country town. In broad daylight, it's hard to picture 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.160 it as a place of unrest and violence. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.040 Do a full loop. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.520 As we round the corner, we see the heart of 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.400 justice within the town, a triangle of imposing buildings. The 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.159 cop shop, the magistrate's court, and the biggest building of all, 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.440 the Supreme Court. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.840 There's a big Supreme Court that just stands there and 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:08.960 don't know what they're doing there. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.720 The Supreme the Supreme Court building is a big one. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.800 Yeah, it's it's really big, but I don't know if 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.000 there's any purpose. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.200 For it right now. These buildings look dormant, but this 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.960 hides the fact that more Aboriginal people are being sentenced 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.280 to prison than ever before. There's been a twenty three 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.200 percent increase in Indigenous incarceration in the past five years. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.560 Children aged between fourteen and seventeen are incarcerated at a 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.520 high rate in the Northern Territory than anywhere else in 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.560 the country. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.800 But here's here's a big one, right right, you got 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.680 You've got nightclubs here, and we've got our young kids 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.640 that are walking around and do up to our good 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.239 And we've got half of our elders and our leaders 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.080 in the nightclub and when they come out, they're seeing 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:58.080 as just as bad as the young people. So you know, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:03.040 every weekend some of our leaders are acting like children. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.080 Inside the only shopping center, the bottle shops are once 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.200 again open, and there are lines out the front with 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.360 police checking IDs before people enter. There are two lines 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.480 with one copper each assigned to check where people live, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.720 to make sure they don't live somewhere where alcohol is forbidden. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.320 Middle aged white people are waved through. So what did 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.080 you say, please? 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.400 White fans walks through Black fives. Can't that adds one 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.120 hundred qus you need to get a six back of beer. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.400 There are plenty of black fellows on the street and 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.640 they outnumber the white fellows. They're usually in groups just 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.920 yarning up. It's on these streets you'll hear some of 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.600 the oldest languages known to humanity, the true languages of 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.560 the continent. Yet they're more foreign to us than Italian, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.320 or French or even millennial. The wonder of that is 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.959 really something for an outsider. But for Damien and Bison, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.400 They're focus is on the problems here and now. I 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.840 sensed that, so I asked them about it. When did 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.280 that sort of violence and running a mark sort of start? 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.760 Do you think two thousand when the intervention came through, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.000 It was a big joke. It was a big shocking 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.319 stuff for we were too shamed to say will from 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:19.960 Alice Springs. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.080 This is something I heard again and again as I 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.040 spoke to locals and Alice Springs. They still remember the 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.960 army rolling into town, the announcements over town, Camp PA's 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.120 warning people to stay in their homes. They tell me 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.160 about the confusion, the terror, about how the blunt force 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.760 of the intervention affected every part of their lives, and 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.880 how they're still dealing with the consequences all these years later. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:48.920 That's after the break. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.480 Are we ready, well, ladies and gentlemen, Mister Bruff and 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.280 I have called this news conference to announce a number 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.480 of major measures to deal with what we can only 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.040 describe as a national emergency in relation to the abuse 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.400 of children in Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.080 Far away from Alice Springs in Canberra, John Howard stands 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.199 in front of a pack of journalists. It's June two 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.800 thousand and seven, and. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.520 We therefore believe that the action I'm about to outline 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:40.559 is totally justified and warranted given our overarching responsibilities for 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.960 the welfare of children throughout Australia. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.720 This moment will change the course of life for generations 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.280 of people in l Springs and surrounds. And it started 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:52.599 with a report. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.760 The Little Children of Sacred Report shun a light on 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.840 the profound consequences of the breakdown of Aboriginal society. Most 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.480 chilling of all was that child abuse was serious, widespread, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.040 and often unreported. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.319 In the shadows of the report made a series of 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.560 recommendations around the government supporting and empowering Aboriginal people to 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.079 address any abuse within their communities, but the government tossed 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.000 that aside, instead using the allegations as a pretext to 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.640 seizing control over the land, again stripping locals of any 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.440 control over their lives. And sending in the military. The 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.960 popular CDP program, a work for the Dull scheme that 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.600 acted as a pathway out of welfare, was scrapped, forcing 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.240 people back onto welfare. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.920 Widespread alcohol restrictions were enforced, there were medical examinations for 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.840 children under sixteen. School attendance was linked to family payments, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.480 and government business managers were imposed. The Commonwealth moved to 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.800 take controlled townships through changes to the Land Act. Police 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.920 numbers were increased, and most controversial of all, half of 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.720 welfare payments were quarantined for buying food and other essentials. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.040 The swiftness of the response, in all its clinical brutality, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.200 took how It and its Indigenous Affairs Minister mel Braff 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.959 forty eight hours to draw up. We took everyone here 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.160 by surprise, including the NTE government. No one living in 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.520 the communities up here knew what was going to happen. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.520 It was scary. Were the army invading? Were they here 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.160 to take the children away? To lock up all the men? 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.160 Yes, I remember that when the army came here, it 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.400 was pretty bad, and they made an excuse to go 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:41.280 to the communities and they didn't care about whose place 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.400 it was or anything. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.000 We've driven out to the west side of town. We've 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.240 graciously been invited into the home of Arnie pat Ansel Dodds. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.720 She's an artist and respected Arunda elder. Her family are 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.760 from here, but we're here at the point of first contact. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:07.160 This is her land, this is her town. Hello and yeah, Shame, Ruby, 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.680 who's lined up the interview with Aunt, has her baby 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.760 with her, trying to find a quiet spot for them 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.120 while we record our conversation. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:14.560 A few grades. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:25.319 I have eight boys, three girls, and it's a boxing match. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.880 And how long have you been in Alice Springs itself? 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.920 I have worked very hard over the years to speak 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.800 out for my people. But what's the government's been doing, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.640 especially the things about the kids. When you look at 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.800 our history, the white men never came till later on, 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.600 and we're the last place that they came to to 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.680 put the telegraph line through from Adelaide. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:04.640 Today, the telegraph station became a residential institution where Aboriginal 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.280 children were taken when they were stolen from their families. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:12.520 Both my parents were put in there, and I didn't 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.480 understand to lie was a bit older of all the 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:22.400 things that happened to all the families around Australia, taking 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:29.640 their children away and brainwashing them about their own history. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.880 Not ours. Arni Pat went on to become a nurse 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.680 and in the midst of her career won a native 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.640 title claim with their people. Her personal and professional advancement 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.960 and Hartford Native Title victory made a thing. For a 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.720 time things were improving, but the intervention changed all that. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:54.560 This younger generation is losing the plot and the government 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.800 did this to them. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.520 The government did this, Yeah, why do you think they 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:01.480 were doing it. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.640 It's just racism. It's an excuse to shut us down 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.640 and take over the land and take over our communities, 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:16.280 and that our people didn't have any rights anymore. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.680 The Intervention didn't end with Howard rud and Gillard kept 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:26.000 it in place, ironically rebranding it Stronger Futures. Arni Pat 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.400 watched on as outside as imposed a set of rules 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.160 that removed the ability for her people to control their 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:31.800 own lives. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:37.360 When you have people come into another town and they 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.920 don't come from here, they don't know what to do, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.920 and then they have the police on their backs watching 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:53.040 them all the time. But the younger generation just stuffed them. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.880 We will run amuck and that's what they do. 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.560 In response, Anipat and other grandmothers established a group to 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.600 patrol the streets of Alice at night to look for 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.720 and look after kids on the streets in fear they'd 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.240 be picked up by the police or the army. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:15.160 Well, we came together a few years ago, and we 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.760 all came from here, this area, and we got together 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:24.400 to fight for our rights to help these kids. We'd 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:29.480 go out, especially at night, and go around the streets 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.200 and talk to the kids and ask them what they're doing, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.280 because they'd walk around at night. But the worst thing 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.600 was they'd be walking down the streets, but they'd be 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.080 thinking of smashing things, things like that. 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.320 How long was this strong grandmother's group together for? 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.200 Oh, for a while, about twenty years? 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:50.920 Yeah. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.840 Wow, And a lot of us are in the eighties 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:01.000 and nineties, and we're getting tired. I an't keep fighting. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.240 I still see kids walking around at night and playing 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:11.960 app and the parents try to stop them, but it's 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:12.680 not happening. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.800 You have eight grandchildren of your own. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.359 Eight grandsons and three granddaughters. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.040 I see a photo of someone who graduated something up 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.240 or something rather on the wall there. Yeah, yeah, who's that? 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:33.400 Yeah? 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:39.399 Yeah, I am just collecting few things and start putting 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:45.359 things away because I'm going to Adelat's say that's my tripe. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.359 Only pat spent decades trying to protect the children of 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.399 Old Springs from the government and his intervention. But now 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.920 she's leading her. Paintings are leaning against cabinets and bookcases 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.880 waiting to be packed. They depict the seven Arranda sisters 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.640 being chased by a man, a story at the heart 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.480 of the Arunda mythology. They'll go with her when she 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:21.959 heads south. Right. For those that remain, there are remnants 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.480 of the intervention all around. They're pillars of times passed 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:30.520 which are still present today. The next day, Uncle Brian 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.960 and Dami intact me to Charles Creek Town Camp to 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:37.080 show me the remaining signs. So up, where are we? 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.200 We're Charles Kreekkuno Camp, Little Blow Mission. There's where that 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:42.200 under people need to live. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.320 Charles Creek is one of twenty or so camps in 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.480 and around the town that the government officially calls Alll 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.280 Springs Community Living areas. Some of the camps, such as 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.200 Charles Creek, are old missions. It was where Aboriginal people 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.480 were assigned patches of land when Europeans first settled here. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.240 People have called this place home for generations. The camp 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.359 is fenced in a series of neatly kept homes are 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.600 at the base of another rocky escarpment. We've arrived just 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.760 after school's finished. There's a couple of girls in uniforms 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.000 playing in one of the backyards. The fact that the 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.800 town camps exist made it relatively easy during the intervention 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.639 to control the people that live here. We're here to 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.879 be introduced to some of the residents by Uncle Brian 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.400 and Damien. First up, we meet young father Donald Kunos 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.560 run here again. Daniel so Yah, one. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.480 Of the presidents of this block. So they wanted to 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.200 come and check out some of them signs down here. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.480 A little bit of truth about what happens in Ana Springs. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.159 Here people get treated, how's the rent. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:44.520 Proven? 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.280 Your identification? Everywhere you going on that side of Jazz. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.720 Damien remembers when a sign was put up on his 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:51.360 block during the intervention. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.680 And when I see it, because I got dyslexty, I 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.200 couldn't read it and I said, what does that mean? 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:56.840 And someone was explaining it to me and. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.399 Know that what Yeah, No, it's always been like that. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.880 Some signs up there they're just saying that we can't 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.240 have any alcohol or any pornography or any other stuff 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.359 that's written on there so that we can't have it. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.679 And then there's another sign here. Do you want to 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.120 Can anyone read this sign for me? You can read 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:14.320 that it. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.680 Is an offense to drink or bring alcohol into this 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.680 community or give alcohol to anyone. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.960 And again this has been planted in front of people's homes. 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.560 That's right shame. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.360 How can you decorate your house and look respectable when 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.399 you've got these sitting before you even enter your house. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.000 Do you think that people in the broader Australian community 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.240 have any sort of understanding as to what's happening here? 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.520 Nor people look at Ali Springer as a bad town. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.440 Charles Creek is one of the more pristine camps. They're 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.480 tended to by a number of housing associations of various 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.120 types of leases. They're not suburbs, they're not camps as 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.720 weed know. What they are is places of segregation, a 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.000 reminder of times before the intervention, when from the earliest 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.040 days of European settlement, Ooriginal people and families were discouraged 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.160 from living in the township. Uncle Brian is scathing about 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.360 the state of the camp in which he lives. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.760 We living on Toba rubbish, not even a proper house, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:28.480 you know. We're happy with the river. Read been of 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:33.960 power shower majority of the time. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.440 The sunstrings me because you don't have power, you don't 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:41.240 have food, be ringing him sometimes for power and for food. 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.199 And that's just linking up and supporting each other. But 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.840 like I was saying, it's like we are all handicapped 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:51.760 with this rent system. 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.679 With everything you know. Lately. 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.240 To be honest, I come in here and visit my family, 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.920 but I haven't really pulled up and looked at this. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.520 And today we really looked at it, and actually reading 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.320 about it, I'm thinking this sort of yeah, I bring 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:05.960 it back a lot of a lot of anger and 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:10.639 a lot of distrust within the government and whatnot. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.320 Where were you when you heard that the intervention was 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:18.480 going to come through. 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:21.880 I was at Loves Creek Station and I was working 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:22.639 with name instead. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.960 And what was the reaction of you and some of 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:27.959 the other fellows. 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.480 Well, it was shocking and it was really sad for 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:34.200 being indiganous men, you know. Yeah, to see Army's coming 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.720 with guns and everything in it that freaked everybody out. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.760 Like to hear all these stories like when the indiventions 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.879 come through mail Broth and all that. I would love 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:45.480 to see Malbrook come back and say that it would 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.160 be but you know, I've got a lot of things 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.440 to put it on the table for him. If you're listening, 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.240 mail Brock, come back and meet Brian Young in other springs. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.960 These men are proud fathers, grandfathers, and sons. The thought 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.280 sort of harming their own flesh and blood is abhorrent 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.760 to them. But the shame of being cast as drunks, 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:10.920 drug users and pedophiles still lingers all these years later. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.600 The picture that was painted of Ourboriginal men here impacted 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.480 mob right across the country. Now it's the next generation 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.639 being impacted. I wanted to speak to some of the 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.160 kids who brought me to all the springs, the kids 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:36.640 on the news being shown as out of control. Yeah, 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:38.640 there you go. 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:46.040 Today we're talking about I've got no life. 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.160 We've come to a place where kids can rehabilitate. It's 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:56.440 called bush mob, and it's motto is grog sniffing, drugs, crime, violence, 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:01.520