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Speaker 1: My dad. He is just an example of somebody that

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Speaker 1: you can't understand how anybody could not love their child

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Speaker 1: for who they are, Like, Yeah, my dad is definitely

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Speaker 1: that person's he's a superhero. He really is.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms.

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Speaker 3: We would like to acknowledge the Gadigor people of the

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Speaker 3: our respects to the elders.

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Speaker 2: Both past and present. I'm Cam Daddo, I'm Ali Daddow.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 4: I am Yeah. Pnaconda Hanakonda and you heard it correct

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Speaker 3: Hannakonda has been dazzling audiences around the globe for over

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Speaker 3: fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: She was recently runner up on.

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Speaker 3: The critically acclaimed BBC series RuPaul's Drag Race UK versus.

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Speaker 2: Of the World. Hannah was representing Australia, that's.

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Speaker 4: Right, on a global scale, competing against queens from across

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Speaker 4: the world. This was all possible, of course, due to

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Speaker 4: her impeccable showing on the stand original series RuPaul's Drag

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Speaker 4: Race down Under season two, where Hannah was also a

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Speaker 4: runner up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's a winner in our She absolutely is

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Speaker 3: so a little about Hannah. After conquering the Perth drag scene,

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Speaker 3: she took a leap of faith across the Nullybor to

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like a reverse.

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Speaker 4: Priscilla. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. She's the only queen to

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Speaker 4: ever win both the Rising Star and the Entertainer of

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Speaker 4: the Year at the Drag Industry Variety Awards in the

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Speaker 3: Hannah has produced and performed shows at prominent venues all

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Speaker 3: across Australia and now globally, of course, recently dazzling audiences.

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Speaker 2: In the UK, the USA and the Philippines.

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Speaker 4: She's got an undying love of the art of drag

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Speaker 4: and she it's just seen her flourish into a starlet

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Speaker 4: like no other. I love that there's no stopping this

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Speaker 4: more stages and of course into more hearts, and I

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Speaker 4: have a feeling she's going to step into your heart

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the bathroom, Hannah Conda.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the bathroom, Hannah Conder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having that. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: be in your bathroom. You like my legs, so they

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Speaker 4: His legs have been in heels before when you did

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Speaker 4: the Rocky Horpe. It's a show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you have to wear in fact, I might actually

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Speaker 2: Someone said, what do you do in your dressing room?

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Speaker 1: And there as me in my high heels and fish nets,

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Speaker 4: You are probably more comfortable, and you could probably run

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Speaker 3: You know, people often surprise you, don't they do They

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Speaker 3: oft you make up your mind about what they're going

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Speaker 3: Were living in the States, friends of ours would often

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And does Hannah does Hannah's well Hannah's costumes because

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Speaker 1: I'm a beautiful, glamorous woman on the game.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to.

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Speaker 2: I've heard you have a great asp.

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Speaker 1: Oh you can't, did you know what? And look? Then

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Speaker 1: that it's French. Yeah for Big Snake, don't google it.

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Speaker 2: Just trust me.

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Speaker 4: Your partner's not here today. Tell me what his name is?

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Speaker 1: Jack, Jack Jack.

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Speaker 1: It's about several relationships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got to talk about and Hannah Jack Hannah,

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Speaker 1: Jack Hannah. I know, I know, it's as wild talking

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Speaker 4: Meet him as Hannah or how when did you meet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So he was. I met Jack in Sydney. He's

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Speaker 1: together now seven years. I believe it's bordering like Vergin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for like a match, you know, like, so I

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Speaker 1: But he, yeah, he was there at the bar and

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Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, you mustn't have a DVD player.

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Speaker 1: And he was like yeah, sure. So we met up

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Speaker 4: It's what a great decision by Jack.

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Speaker 1: We're pretty comfortable to be fair, like being de facto

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, absolutely not. I put him into there's

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Speaker 1: you know, work, and like like there used to be

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00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: a time where I love getting into drag and going

436
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: out for fun, but now I'm like, once i'm in,

437
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 1: I consider myself in drag like a like a car

438
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: park meter. You know, you put the money in and

439
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: I will do the job, and once the meter's run out,

440
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm done and I'm out. Like and you know, and

441
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: if they want to top it up, and they want to,

442
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, throw a few, you know, more bucks in

443
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: the meter. I'll stay longer at your party and I'll

444
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. But if there's no money there anymore,

445
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm out.

446
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 4: How big is your makeup kit?

447
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: It's now desk, a desk, It's a full thing. And

448
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: yeah big, yeah, I've got like tons of makeup and

449
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: then half of that I don't even like touch you.

450
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: Like we're creatures of habit drag queens and we use

451
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: the same things over and over again, will buy everything

452
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: because we love it. But then you end up sticking

453
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: with the things that you know work.

454
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 4: You know, women are the same.

455
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun, it's what we do.

456
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 4: I know, the pretty right and then the latest and

457
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 4: the greatest, and then you go, I think I really

458
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 4: like that.

459
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: I do the same with golf a tire.

460
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: It's exactly the same.

461
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: I'll buy, I'll get.

462
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: It all, and then I'll only wear three different things.

463
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: You know what golf tire is, Actually it's dragged, to

464
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: be honest, it really is. You're doing drag every time

465
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: you go out.

466
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: And I get it ready the night before.

467
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: You know what, You're better than drag now because we'll

468
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: find whatever's on the floor and put it on.

469
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 4: Came will go out for dinner and just like you know,

470
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 4: tracky back, tracky decks and a T shirt, a pair

471
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 4: of songs.

472
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: But the golf we gotta dress up.

473
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 4: It's matching. So it's everything is pristine.

474
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: That's very I love that.

475
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: I feel the better, you know, the better I feel,

476
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: the better I'm going to play.

477
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's true. So I look the same drag, Yeah

478
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: it is, and ru Paul said mother ru Paul. She

479
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: said that she always wears suits because you dress the

480
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: way that you want the world to see. Sure, and

481
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: you know when you see someone in a suit, you go,

482
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: oh there, She's like they want to give you money

483
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: when you're in a suit, and I think there's something

484
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: to it. I just looked terrible in a suit. So

485
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: that's why no one wants to give you money. They're like,

486
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: go away. But when I'm in drag though.

487
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 4: So you had two runs on is that right?

488
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Two runs on Drag Race?

489
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 4: What's that experience?

490
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: Like? It is the weirdest, most intense, beautiful thing that

491
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: I've ever done.

492
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

493
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: The first time we did it, we filmed in New Zealand.

494
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: We're like in a tin shed, like a tiny little

495
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: tin shed. But it was like my first time in

496
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: the world of reality TV seeing how it's all made.

497
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: And for me walking into that tin shed it felt

498
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: huge and I was like, wow, this is amazing. And

499
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, you start learning about the secrets of television

500
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: and you know you don't want to know, you don't

501
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: want to once the once you go behind the curtain,

502
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: it changes the way different it is. And I really

503
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: struggle watching it now, yeah, because I know exactly what

504
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: they're going through. You can see all the little bits

505
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, that's there's some fiddling and some

506
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, treachery, yeah, and stuff, and it's but it's

507
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: fascinating and I loved every experience, and I realized in

508
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: doing Down Under like it's not a competition. It is

509
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: a TV show made to entertain people in the guys

510
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: of being a competition. And if you do good TV

511
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: and you work hard at making sure that you've got

512
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: a moment, they're not going to get rid of you.

513
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, that's going to you know, because you make

514
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: good TV. So that's what I learned. And then going back,

515
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: we were in the BBC we at the what was it,

516
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: what's the big studio in the UK, Pine Wood Pine. Yeah,

517
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: so we were just across from the Double O seven studio. Yeah,

518
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: it was white and they were filming Snow White for

519
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Disney at the time. So we were out there in

520
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: half drag, like having cities and chatting in like half

521
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: drag while they're people walking around in renaissance costumes. Like

522
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: it was like fabulous and it was in the middle

523
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: of winter it was freezing, but like the UK, going

524
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: to that studio, I realized that our tin shed in

525
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: the in New Zealand compared not even close to it.

526
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: It was like just humongous and it was it blew

527
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: my mind. I nearly like died at how big it was.

528
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: But the second time, I went in so much more

529
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: prepared in terms of understanding what I was walking into.

530
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: So you don't have that initial shock of you know,

531
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: walking into a room and just having fifty cameras looking

532
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: at you and going, oh my god, what do I

533
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: do now?

534
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: I could.

535
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: I just knew what to do, and I felt more

536
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: natural and I loved it, and yeah, it was so

537
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: much fun. And there was drag from all over the world,

538
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: so we had like the Philippines, France, Spain, the UK obviously, Australia, America.

539
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: All this melting pot of all different types of drag

540
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: and just learning about each other was just my favorite thing.

541
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it.

542
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, are there are there

543
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: any if you ever met a straight guy? There is?

544
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: There's there are straight men that do drag. We've got

545
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: a couple here in Sydney actually, But then there was

546
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: one that was on drag Race in the US named

547
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: Mattie Morphosis. And there are Mattie Morphosis and they're a

548
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: straight man that does does drag. Yeah, it's a thing

549
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: like a drag is for everyone. Like I hate that

550
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: sometimes our community can get a little bit like gate

551
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: keeping with it. I think the power of drag is

552
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: for everyone to experience at least once, Like there is

553
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: a level of just allowing yourself to just be free.

554
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: That's so much fun and playing dressing up what you know,

555
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: there's nothing you should be shamed about it.

556
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: And this is the.

557
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: Thing in today's day and age, with labeling and gender

558
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: and everyone. I think people genuinely want to be respectful. Yeah,

559
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: you know, people genuinely do so, then am I crossing lines?

560
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: Is it okay?

561
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: These sort of questions and get asked often before you

562
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: have that that innate response you know that I just

563
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: want to do it. Yeah, you can't do that because

564
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: you're going to offend.

565
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: But blah blah blah.

566
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: So so that's why, that's why I asked you that

567
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: why I'm tentative with it, because it's like, is this appropriate?

568
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: I think, I'm I'm probably you know, this could be

569
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: a controversial statement, but I hate the way and I

570
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: use the word hate because I hate it. I hate

571
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: that these structures that people are trying to put in

572
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: place make us scared of each other and scared of

573
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: experiencing someone else's existence, because that makes you more more

574
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: empathetic to someone else and makes you, you know, like

575
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: when you learn about someone's experience, it just grows you

576
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: as a human because you can you can go, oh, no,

577
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, I understand that, and even if you didn't

578
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: understand it before, now you do, and it's just an

579
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: extra layer onto you. And I just hate that we

580
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: are putting all these rules and restrictions on everyone that

581
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: actually isolates us from each other. Yeah, whereas you know,

582
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: you should be able to play with all these things

583
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: and dabble and learn about each other. And you know,

584
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: the same goes with like, you know, I don't feel

585
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: like if you make fun of someone's culture, that's a

586
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: different thing. But if you want to genuinely learn about

587
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: someone's culture, you should be able to do that with

588
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: someone so it enriches you as a person, you know.

589
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like that. Yeah, I just don't like

590
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: the fear that it's puts in people and the fact

591
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: that you know, you even said, oh, I don't want

592
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: to say the wrong thing. We should say the wrong thing.

593
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: We should be able to have the grace to say

594
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. And if someone goes, hey, that's not correct,

595
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: then you go, oh cool, no worries. Yeah, thanks to

596
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: letting me know, yeah, and then we move on. How

597
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: do you learn if you don't make mistakes? And like

598
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: it's so counterintuitive and I don't really understand how we

599
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: got to that point, because you don't learn unless you

600
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: make those errors in life, because then you can fix

601
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: it and carry on beautifully. Shit, do you.

602
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: Feel that mainstream media in Australia is to is partially

603
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: to blame for that?

604
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

605
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I think I think mainstream media is because it doesn't

606
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: sometimes showcase a diverse palette of stories. I think they

607
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: very sometimes streamline into certain things. And like, even from

608
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: my experience, like after doing Drag Race, I thought we

609
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of get sold this idea that you get you know,

610
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: pushed into the world of you know, mainstream media and

611
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: whatever and you can go do other shows and you

612
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: can be invited to these things and whatever. Honestly, it's

613
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like Diddley Squat, we get chat on and

614
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: they would rather celebrate someone from maths then like us,

615
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: who you know, can bring so many different talents and skills,

616
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Like we have so many facets to drag because we've

617
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: had to produce ourselves for such a long time that

618
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: we could bring all these wonderful things to a show

619
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, but we just never get invited. And then

620
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: I was talking to an executive once that the actors

621
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I'd love to come

622
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: on like I'm a celeb or do this or whatever,

623
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: and Australia is not ready for that. But which I

624
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: was like, are you joking? You know, because I was like,

625
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: we grew up with Priscilla. You celebrate Priscilla all the time,

626
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: you celebrated Dame Edna. Why why is it now we're

627
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: all scared of drag? Yes, there could be controversy.

628
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: It's his response.

629
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh, he was like just he just didn't care. It

630
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: was he was like, on walk away from the crazy

631
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: drag queen lady. But but like Australia is. I think

632
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Australia is ready. I just think they need to see it.

633
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: If you're not going to see it, of course they're

634
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: going to be a bit weird with it initially, but

635
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: like once they humanize us and they see the person

636
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: behind the drag, like they just realized we're people just

637
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: getting on with life and trying to make you laugh

638
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: and you know, make you happy.

639
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: You'd be good on Google Box.

640
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to I don't have to do anything right now.

641
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm separate bathrooms and live in my life.

642
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: You've reached the pinnacle.

643
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: It can only go down from here.

644
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, as you're talking about footy clubs, footy.

645
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: Clubs, the community footy clubs.

646
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Have been doing and they have the men already like

647
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: we've always it's so yeah, and it is and that's

648
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: what it should be. That's what it should be. And

649
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it just becomes this whole big political thing

650
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and it doesn't need to be. And yeah, so it's

651
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: been very very interesting. But I think also as well,

652
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: like the second point of that is mainstream media, but

653
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: also social media as well, like how social media now

654
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: is a place where everybody has a place to put

655
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: every single one of their thoughts, feelings and opinions. Yes,

656
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: which yeah, I get it to a degree, but I

657
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: think we also need to learn the restraint and sometimes

658
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: all those things need to go out into the ether. Yes,

659
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't think we can put

660
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: the lid back on that now container now that's out.

661
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: But so now it's just going to be. We just

662
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: got to manage it. And you realize, like honestly, the

663
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: things that happen online don't really translate into real world

664
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: to be honest, Like when I go to conventions like

665
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: we do drag Con, which is big drag queen convention.

666
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: You could be absolutely hated online, but you will have

667
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: a line at your booth and people come and by

668
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: your merch. So you just realize that translation. Yes, it's

669
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: not that. It never it never really has real world effects.

670
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: It's all just noise and avoid And I've really started

671
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: to make sure I focus on that. If things go

672
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: a little bit haywire online, it doesn't like that doesn't

673
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: mean anything. This does not mean anything. This can get

674
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: turned off. What happens the best. The only thing that

675
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: matters is interactions like this. We're in a room together,

676
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: we're talking to people, like that's the stuff that matters,

677
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, well said, well, thank you. I'm just a

678
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: wise old hour.

679
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: We have a quote here from your dad.

680
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and I love this and it.

681
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: Was in a response to a really shitty article and

682
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: hateful woman.

683
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: I remember her.

684
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: Do you want to read it, honey? Yeah?

685
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh my of it.

686
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: It's so beautiful.

687
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: Because this is going to I think because we have

688
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: a son, River who's been dressing in Well, he hasn't,

689
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: he hasn't kept up kept with her, but he certainly

690
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: for all of his boyhood he dressed as princesses and

691
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: loves and so I think this is going to hit me.

692
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I can read it, because

693
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: I haven't ready it. No, I'm going to take a

694
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: big deep Breathay, why not? Okay, Yeah, this is okay.

695
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: My son is Hannahconda, a drag queen, and a very

696
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: good one at that. He is a beautiful human being

697
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: who has dedicated much of his life to his craft,

698
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: his family, and above all, his community. I too, will

699
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: do whatever it takes political posting mama to protect my children.

700
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: But my job as a parent is to give them

701
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: a good grounding in their life and to be supportive

702
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: of their endeavors, to lead by example guide them to

703
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 3: becoming good citizens in our wider community. I have seen

704
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: firsthand and way too often, the terrible sadness that exists

705
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: with young people who are not accepted by their own

706
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: families because they are merely gay. If you really want

707
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: to make a difference in the world we live in,

708
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: start by being a nice person.

709
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: Oh that's your dad, that's your dad. Dad. He is

710
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: he is like he I have said it before. He's

711
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: my like he is my my, my hero. Both my

712
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: mum and my dad are very very called them new age.

713
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: We we'd like when we grew up, we did like reiki,

714
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: we did hands on healing as a family. You know,

715
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: we've always been like like things were going wrong with

716
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: like mental health or whatever, we'd be like therapy was

717
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: a big thing too. We're a very open family. We

718
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of stuff. And I think that

719
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: sometimes gets Jack a little bit because I'm a talker,

720
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm an open book and we and like our family

721
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: is very very open and like Jack sometimes goes, oh

722
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: my god, just you know, this is a lot of feelings.

723
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 4: He's also British, it is also.

724
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very reserved and they don't really do that.

725
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: But my dad, he he is just an example of

726
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: somebody that you know, can't understand how anybody could not

727
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: love their child for who they are. Like they take

728
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: us where they guide us and that and that's the

729
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: fundamental lesson he's always taught us is that we just

730
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: we pay our taxes and we be good people. Like

731
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: that is it?

732
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: You know?

733
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: He said, you could have nothing, but as long as

734
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: you smile and be a good person, that's all I

735
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: want from my children. And I think that's a really

736
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: important lesson and something.

737
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: What else is there?

738
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: You know, Like people want to work and be around

739
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: nice people and that are easy to easy to be around.

740
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: And my dad is definitely that person. He's Yeah, he's

741
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: a superhero, he really is. When he wrote that as well,

742
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: like it just I didn't know he was doing that,

743
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: and oh just melted my heart because I was. I

744
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: wasn't because in drag you over the years, there's been

745
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: so many things staring us, but we get a thick skin,

746
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: like we've very thick skin. So even though that, you know,

747
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: because I was getting death threats, so I was getting

748
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: all these horrible things sent to me, and I just

749
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: didn't let it face me because you just carry on.

750
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

751
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: But my dad he was like, no, I'm not standing

752
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: for this because he has seen when he's come to

753
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: the bars, how many kids deserted by their family and

754
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: they become like surrogate parents. Yeah, and they sit there

755
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: and they talk and they have all these like you know,

756
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: kids all around them, just sitting and enjoying and they

757
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: love it. There's a photo of them that goes on

758
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: their on their TV at home with them and they're like, oh,

759
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: there are leather daddy friends that they've met. There's just

760
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: these old older couple that live in Sidney and there

761
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: their the leather daddies. We love our leather daddy friends. Yeah,

762
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: but they just you know nothing, And I feel like

763
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: that's very similar to the two of you. It's like,

764
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I think your essence is very much the same as

765
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: what my parents are, and you know, you just take

766
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: people where they're at and just yeah, you know who's

767
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: just being a good person. And you both do that

768
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: and I feel like you'd get along with my mom.

769
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 4: And I love that already.

770
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

771
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: They're fun. They're real fun.

772
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: I always I think I think the first time I

773
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: saw this was in America. I think I'm sure it

774
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: happens here too. But when they would do when they

775
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: were there was some like gay run or something through

776
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: West Hollywood. There was a gay marathon, and there was

777
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 4: this mum who would she was like free.

778
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Free mom, hugs. Yes, I'm like I want to be

779
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: there yet takes with you.

780
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: It was so I'm like, come to me. I will absolutely,

781
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: I just think it's such a beautiful thing.

782
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: So it's just just such a kind gesture and it

783
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: changes someone's day and experience, and like just so simple

784
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: kindnesses that I think we sometimes forget just a smile

785
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: at someone, you know, it's weird. Sometimes some people don't

786
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: know how to take it and they go, oh my god,

787
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: what are you why are you looking at me?

788
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know something about the drag community that

789
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: people might not realize.

790
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: I think that people like you know, because I think

791
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: it gets politicized a lot. Now, yes, there's probably a

792
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: lot of things, but this is the one that I

793
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: feel like I want to focus on. I think it

794
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: gets politicized a lot, you know, with the drag queens,

795
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: story time and yeah, you know all of that, and they,

796
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: like conservatives will look at that like we're trying to

797
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: indoctrinate children into the gay gender and all that. I

798
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: was like, I never got indoctrinated. I went to an

799
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: all boys Catholic school. At me. Now, hey, come on,

800
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: like that. There was no drag wuens around when I

801
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: was a kid, But like I wish there was, because

802
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, just so encourages that level

803
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: of being able to play and dress up and use

804
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: your imagination, which I do get scared for young kids

805
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: these days, when they're so ingrained in like technology and everything.

806
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: That idea of just being able to mold something out

807
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: of the things in front of you and play how

808
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: important that is. And I think drag keeps that alive

809
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. And the idea of exploring like different

810
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: colors and shapes and textures and like it's it's it's

811
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: a it's it's fabulous way to like expand your mind.

812
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: So you know, we get this. You know, we're trying

813
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: to groom kids and we're pedophiles and all of this.

814
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: We get told this all the time by conservative media,

815
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: whereas reality is it's never that we're very much dressed appropriately.

816
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: If we're doing a drag story time, I'm not going

817
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: to go in pair of hooker boots and whatever. I'm

818
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: going in a big princess gown and looking like Elsa,

819
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we know what we're doing,

820
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: but I just forge. I think people forget that while

821
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: it's political, sometimes the most political thing you can do

822
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: is to laugh and ensure yourself, because that is a

823
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: reprieve from the madness of the world. And that recharges

824
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: your batteries to then go out and do the hard stuff,

825
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: because you can't be stuck in that all the time

826
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: in the like you know, the activism and the wallowing

827
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: and realizing the world is not the greatest at the moment,

828
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: but you know, but there are pockets of fun and

829
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: that's what like. Even like, I was watching a documentary

830
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: on like, uh it was baking the in World War

831
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: Two and yeah, yeah, but my like it was about

832
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: how they would cook and do baking in like in

833
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: the bunkers and at Christmas, and they did a big

834
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: Christmas dinner in like it was a modern show, but

835
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: they went back to show you how they would do it.

836
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: So they took a whole family down into a World

837
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: War two bunker in England and they will cooked this

838
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: Christmas dinner and they put made decorations and they made

839
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: little presents and it was an it was an experience

840
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: for everyone that was there. And they said that the

841
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: most important thing was that even though the war was

842
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: raging above them, here it's Christmas and we're having a

843
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: break to celebrate each other and just be fun. And

844
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: that just sticks with me. I was like, well, it's true,

845
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, even in the darkest of times, those reprieves

846
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: are what keeps us going absolutely, you know, and I think, yeah,

847
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: we forget that that's sometimes a bit important. So the

848
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: fun part of drag, you know, and that reprieve from

849
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: the noise and laughing and just you know, making fun

850
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: of the world. I suppose it's quite powerful.

851
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: I have a dear friend who is she's the CEO

852
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: of a domestic violence charity, Rise Up, and she deals in,

853
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: you know, in victims and survivor stories day in and

854
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: day out. Here's the most horrific stories. She is the funniest,

855
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: most joyful person.

856
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: I know.

857
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: That's how she keeps going because if you weren't. I

858
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 4: feel like if she wasn't, it would be she would

859
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 4: be so depressed and like how would she get out

860
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: of bed? But she's absolutely hysterically funny and just got

861
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 4: a smile on her face and so joyful, and it's like, see,

862
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: only I can get through baby.

863
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: She calls me back, babe. But you know it's plus

864
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: also probably helps the people that she's seeing to go, oh,

865
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: this is the nice how you can feel the energy,

866
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: so you know, it's yeah, I think there's just power

867
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: in that sometimes we.

868
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: All need balance. Oh you do you need balance. It's

869
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: good to be serious.

870
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's good to be earnest and passionate about things,

871
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: and yeah, at the same time, it really helps to

872
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: be frivolous or the antithesis of that.

873
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: And just go go out and just be silly.

874
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: You can take you can take what you do seriously,

875
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: but you don't need to take yourself seriously. There you go,

876
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: look at you.

877
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 4: We're going to start making bumper stickers from the stuff.

878
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: I felt like I want to do like a little

879
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: book of just saying I'm gonna have to go back

880
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: and be like, listen to what I've said, beautif.

881
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: Do you make goals?

882
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: Do you do you set yourself out like time goals

883
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: and things that you want to achieve?

884
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I do, like I have Like I yeah,

885
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I do have goals of certain things that I want

886
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: to achieve. But then I like to just see sometimes

887
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: where it takes me. I enjoy sometimes and sometimes maybe

888
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: not to my benefit, and I end up going, oh

889
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: my god, I've got to work this week. What am

890
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: I kill me? But you know, I do have the

891
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: big goals, but the in between stuff. I like to

892
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: see what happens because it's you know, it creates a

893
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: spicy life that you never know. You know, you never

894
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: know what's around the corner. And some of the best

895
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: things that I've ever experienced have been you know, surprises,

896
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: they're just pupped up, you know. But I'm very much

897
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: a believer and like trust the process, and I trust

898
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: that I'm on the path, you know, And I and

899
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I a good gut, so I know when I actually

900
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: don't have a good girl got ibs, but I've got

901
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: a good gut. I've got a good.

902
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: Chemist, right that'll help you.

903
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: But I've got Yeah, I trust, I trust it and

904
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: if I know, like I know when something's right, and

905
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: I know when something's a bit off. If you just think,

906
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: if i'd like meet someone and I don't really trust

907
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: what they're saying, it's weird. My shoulder goes, isn't that interesting?

908
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: It just like pops up. And so like when I've

909
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: been around people that I'm like, oh, you're telling stories,

910
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: it just goes like that.

911
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: And then I myself like this, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.

912
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: I don't like you.

913
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: It's got to be careful you because you're protecting your heart.

914
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're actually creating a barrier. Yeah, because you did

915
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: your other hand over your heart.

916
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: Yes, the body never lies.

917
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: No it doesn't. Yeah, trust it. Yeah, trust it.

918
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: So five years down the track.

919
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well my goal I would really love to move

920
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: to the UK really, Yeah, Like after doing the UK

921
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Drag Race, I fell in love with it. And Jack's

922
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: got his family there. Yeah, they're in Newcastle. I don't

923
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: want to live in Newcastle. I love Newcastle. I couldn't

924
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: live there. I'd like to live around like, you know,

925
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: not even in London, but on the outskirts of London.

926
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: I could go a little bit like regional. But I

927
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: just love it. It just melts my heart in the

928
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: UK and I would love to live there. I'd love

929
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: to do more sort of TV stuff and panel shows

930
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: and comedy and you know, I like to dip my

931
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: finger in every part that I can. I'm not one

932
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: to say no to something. I'll try anything. So yeah,

933
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: my goal is just to keep working away and sort

934
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: of building the profile of what Hannah is and just

935
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: making people laugh and have a good time and smile.

936
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, that's my goal. That's my job, you know.

937
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: And I think I've really invested too deeply into this,

938
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: so I can't really go back, you know, don't put

939
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: too much into it. Now, I'm like, what else can

940
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I do?

941
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Mecca and Sophora have benefited greatly.

942
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: Oh they really have. You know, when you realize you're

943
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: committed too hard to something, you're like, oh god, yeah,

944
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: well put all the eggs in this basket.

945
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Great? Would that be putting up on a vision board?

946
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: There you are advertising for Mecca?

947
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh that was great, right, looks too Yeah, Mecca. If

948
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: you're listening for you're listening, I don't know. I'm an

949
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: equal opportunities make up by studio to yours. Yeah.

950
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 4: What's been the most empowering part of your drag journey?

951
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: I do think it is when you, like, when I've

952
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: been able to start traveling more with with drag post

953
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: Drag Race, you realize, like sometimes it's a bit trauma dumpy.

954
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: The people that you come to meet, they like, go,

955
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, You've saved my life, and it can

956
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: get it can get a lot. But then at the

957
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: same time that is incredibly special, like knowing that I've

958
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: been able to go into somebody's house on TV for

959
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: you know, an hour each week and that's made such

960
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: an impact as someone that they've decided to make changes

961
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: to their life and live a better life or whatever,

962
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: or just even the fact that I just brought them

963
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: a bit of joy. That's really special because you don't

964
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: you don't sometimes realize the impact you have. Yeah, you know,

965
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: even with smaller platforms, even when I was just the

966
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: local entertainer and Sydney working on Oxford Street, like the

967
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: same thing would happen, someone go, I love that show.

968
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: That number that you did really made me happy. And

969
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: that's when you realize the effects we have on other

970
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: people around us. And sometimes we may not know it

971
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: because not everyone will come up and tell you, but

972
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: the ones that do showcase that we are doing that,

973
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's the most profound, you know impact.

974
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: And it was also actually sorry to I've just had

975
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: another brain way. There was one time and there was

976
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: I was doing a I think it was a birthday

977
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: or a Christmas party just in the city, and I

978
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: walked in and there was this gentleman. I've told the

979
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: story before, but it's always gets me that I walked

980
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: in there was this guy. He was probably like fifty,

981
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: maybe like late mid to late fifties, and I walked

982
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: up and he was like, oh, don't talk to me.

983
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Don't talk to me, and I was like, no worries.

984
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: It's like I used to bash fags like you in

985
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: the eighties. And I was like, Okay, all good, no worries.

986
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave you to it. I'm not gonna

987
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm not that person to push someone like that. I

988
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like what you've said. I think

989
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: that's really horrible and you probably should be, you know,

990
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: investigated for this, but fundamentally, I'm just going to leave

991
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: you be. So I go around do my job. I'm

992
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: entertaining people, like I was on the mic, did a

993
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: couple of numbers and he comes up to me at

994
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: the end and I get a tap on the shoulder

995
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: and I turn around it's him, and I was like,

996
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: oh God, what's going to happen now? And he's like

997
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: I just want to say. I say I'm sorry for

998
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: what I said before, and he's like, I can't take

999
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: back what I've done. But just seeing you today just

1000
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: made me realize that you're just like us and his

1001
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: and like I was like, wow, Like you've just recognized

1002
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: in space of an hour or two hours that we're

1003
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: just fellow human beings trying to get on with it,

1004
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: and you know, you've probably realized, you know, thirty years

1005
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: of hate that you've harbored in your heart for a

1006
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: group that you have no idea about, was just wasting

1007
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: away your time. That's exactly right. And you know, yeah,

1008
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: obviously very problematic what he said and what he did,

1009
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: but I don't know that lesson that he learned on

1010
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: that day. I'm hoping he's carried forward and continued on,

1011
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: but just knowing that you can change someone's minds by

1012
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: just being around, yeah, and just doing your doing you. Yeah,

1013
00:50:59,040 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool.

1014
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 4: And that's and that's to your point. Like the more

1015
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: we see in mainstream media, it just takes away this

1016
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: idea it's us and them. It's like we're all wanted together.

1017
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: And some of us in our community I get weirded

1018
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: out by I'm like, I don't get you, but not

1019
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: for me, Like, you know, I'm not going to poop

1020
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: on your braid. Weird exactly the people that all the time,

1021
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: but we just you know, I just I don't want to,

1022
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, I just again live life as a good

1023
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: person and you don't need to go and you know,

1024
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: poop on someone's doormat just because you don't like it. Yeah, exactly,

1025
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: there's another one for the book.

1026
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the time today. It's wonderful

1027
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: to have.

1028
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: You right back at you, and it's been so nice

1029
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: and like I said, like you give me the aree

1030
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: of my parents. It's been just like I think you'd

1031
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: get along with them so well. And I wish they

1032
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: I wish you could meet my mom and dad because

1033
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: I think I think we'd all have a very gay time.

1034
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, we'll get there.

1035
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 4: Who are the leather dudes.

1036
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: The leather daddies, Yeah, yeah, I can find them. Yeah, yeah,

1037
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: we have We'll have our own little Mardi growing here.

1038
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: We'll do a little heart to your mom and dad.

1039
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're listening.

1040
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: Hi, mom and dad and everyone else who's listening to

1041
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: my brother Tim, This is Amy High. Thank you so

1042
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: much for angels. Thanks for having me in your bathroom.

1043
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: You are welcome. Can I can I flush now?

1044
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: Wish?

1045
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, what and wonderful human. I love love him.

1046
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: As he was leaving just then, I forgot to ask

1047
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: you how many wigs you have?

1048
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: Over two hundred hundred wigs?

1049
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Yeah, do you have two hundred of anything?

1050
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: A books?

1051
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 4: I know that two hundred books. That's the only thing

1052
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: I held to two hundred of yeah, over two hundred. Yeah,

1053
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 4: nothing else, nothing else.

1054
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: His desire to pass along joy and fun.

1055
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: Is so significant. Yeah, I just love how he just

1056
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: that's it. You give you a respite from all the

1057
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: absolute gloom.

1058
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 4: You know, we need more, We need more Hannah's in

1059
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 4: the world. Yeah, we really do. I'm sure Jack is

1060
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 4: just as delightful as well. I don't want him to

1061
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 4: move to the UK. I want him to stay in

1062
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: Australia and keep bringing joy to people in this country.

1063
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: Actual, we would come back for tours and lucky, lucky,

1064
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: the Internet has flattened the world out, so you.

1065
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: Can really do that and you'd still think he was here.

1066
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 4: He was still here, that's right. Anyway. Look, we so

1067
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: hope you enjoyed Hannah Conder and that conversation we think

1068
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: he was is just a delight. Thanks so much for listening.

1069
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: Until next time. Bye,