Speaker 1: Let it Gaga, Paparazzi. This is number one hundred. Good morning.
Speaker 1: You are on the air with Jason and Lauren Clinty
Speaker 1: from the newsroom as well, and one of our favorite
Speaker 1: segments is back. We haven't done it for a while, guys,
Speaker 1: but just play cool. The cops are here, Lawrence, tell
Speaker 1: me what's you know? Now? For Pride the Pope Pie,
Speaker 1: we bring in different police officers.
Speaker 2: Go oh my gosh, it's like the cast of Breaking
Speaker 2: Bad has just rolled in.
Speaker 1: Walter White's in the house.
Speaker 2: No, we've got detective acting Senior Sergeant Michael Kugler and
Speaker 2: Detective Sergeant Paul Gilmore.
Speaker 1: Do get all right? Good morning, Good morning guys. Yes,
Speaker 1: you might need to take your mask if we can't
Speaker 1: he can we hear you?
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, we can hear. Okay, you can keep it on.
Speaker 2: So you, guys are just for our radio audience that
Speaker 2: can't see you but can only hear You're in a fool.
Speaker 2: What is that suit that you're in?
Speaker 1: This is a it's.
Speaker 3: Called a tick suit, a week a suit. It's basically
Speaker 3: a chemical resistant and some the one I'm wearing today
Speaker 3: is also got some sort of fire resistance built into it.
Speaker 3: All we want to be on fire in this suit.
Speaker 3: We use them when we're processing the clan labs.
Speaker 2: So what are you doing buy busting meth labs?
Speaker 1: Right? Okay, So that's world to why this is good morning,
Speaker 1: Good morning, we're good, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Is a hectic out be wearing?
Speaker 1: How does this room smell? We're all good?
Speaker 4: A little bit dodge, but we're just going to run
Speaker 4: some test shortly, we'll see.
Speaker 2: So you got to talk us through what you would
Speaker 2: do day to.
Speaker 5: Day in your job essentially, Well, it's it's pretty varied,
Speaker 5: but we investigate locally manufactured drugs.
Speaker 2: With victor and is it like part of my ignorance?
Speaker 2: A scene in the movies? Are people like making meth
Speaker 2: in bathtubs in houses and stuff? Yeah like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah they are.
Speaker 5: They're making myth in houses, and making myth in beery
Speaker 5: chipping containers, and making myth in farm sheds, garages, pretty
Speaker 5: much anywhere you can think of.
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to save people. I was just
Speaker 1: going to save people. Could see how this stuff is made.
Speaker 1: It's the last thing they'd put in their system, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all synthetic, made synthetically made. It's all chemicals,
Speaker 4: really dangerous.
Speaker 2: And so by the time you guys get the call
Speaker 2: to go and I don't know what you call check
Speaker 2: out all that, have someone already found it or they like,
Speaker 2: we're suspected that there's suspicious activity happening in this house.
Speaker 2: And then you guys go and kick the door down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much. We're a bit of a one stop
Speaker 6: shop at our office.
Speaker 4: We get the intel, we investigate it, we do the raids,
Speaker 4: and then we prosecute the offenders. Our process the scene,
Speaker 4: which can be long if it's a big lab, and
Speaker 4: then we process offend.
Speaker 1: It's just what happens to the goods.
Speaker 4: Well, they get taken out to a hazardous management unit
Speaker 4: at a location and destroyed.
Speaker 1: Yea, we don't go let twenty percent off for the
Speaker 1: Christmas party. And then.
Speaker 7: So what's happening underground here in Melbourne? We have we
Speaker 7: got a scourge? Is there is there a problem or
Speaker 7: is it something that's happening right the way around Australia,
Speaker 7: right the way around the world.
Speaker 4: I think there's no secret that there's a significant drug
Speaker 4: problem in Australia in general. You know, look at our borders.
Speaker 4: We're an Island, so it's easy to import in here,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of chemicals that come into this
Speaker 4: country which are used to manufacture methamphetam.
Speaker 5: Very high demand in Australian prices are high, which makes
Speaker 5: it there's a lot of incentive for people out there
Speaker 5: to joy and manufacture drugs or in pot drugs.
Speaker 2: So what's the worst scene you've walked into most like
Speaker 2: you would have seen it?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Is there one thing that comes to mind you've walked
Speaker 2: in and gone, I cannot believe what I'm looking at?
Speaker 6: Ah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's been so that you can get everything from
Speaker 5: what we call addiction based really small labs, and some
Speaker 5: people work really neat, really methodical. Some people are really
Speaker 5: well educated. I've got science backgrounds, and some are just mayhem.
Speaker 5: It's just stuff everywhere, contaminants everywhere. They're contaminated. Like you
Speaker 5: take their clothes off and they're still sitting off.
Speaker 1: Your hiding it. It's just full blown lab.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're definitely trying to conceal yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 5: and they'll go to great lengths to try and keep
Speaker 5: it concealed. Just stick them in like sort of industrial areas,
Speaker 5: rural areas to try and hide it because they can
Speaker 5: be pretty smelly in pretty yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I always admire the police because obviously, you
Speaker 2: guys put yourself in real dangerous situations. Is what is
Speaker 2: the danger that you guys are in, excuse me going
Speaker 2: into these labs? Is it the chemicals or is it
Speaker 2: the people?
Speaker 6: We can say both, like, you're right, you've got a
Speaker 6: bad batch.
Speaker 7: The chemicals are very.
Speaker 2: Sorry coffee in the middle of that.
Speaker 4: Anyway, The chemicals are very volatile. You mix the the
Speaker 4: wrong chemicals together and it's effectively a bomb.
Speaker 5: Yeah, explosives, flammable, toxic, cascinogenic. And then that's just the
Speaker 5: chemical side of the house. And then you've got an
Speaker 5: offender who have who isn't real thrill to arrive And
Speaker 5: then isn't real thrill?
Speaker 1: I was about to say, when you when it gets
Speaker 1: to the point of a raid and you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: slam the door and cops were coming in, do most
Speaker 1: of them just go I'm done and give up, or
Speaker 1: they put up a fight.
Speaker 4: Most most really will generally realize what's happening, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's a big shot to them when it happens. And
Speaker 4: on the big organized crime labs you could almost guarantee
Speaker 4: this one sort of firearm there very expensive and it's
Speaker 4: very profitable, so to protect their poew.
Speaker 6: That's going on.
Speaker 7: You both watched Breaking Bad.
Speaker 5: I only watched the first episode. I'm sure nurses don't
Speaker 5: watch news show. Yeah, yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 7: Have you adapted yourselves to some of the techniques you
Speaker 7: see on that show.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's definitely not far from the truth breakings. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's from our side and from from the cook side.
Speaker 6: They wear very similar stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think some of the methodology and chemicals
Speaker 5: they used in the show and probably didn't do us
Speaker 5: any favors as well.
Speaker 1: Really, what do you mean by that taught people?
Speaker 5: I think it was from what I've been told was accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So in terms of the process.
Speaker 1: Is interesting.
Speaker 2: It's like a YouTube lesson.
Speaker 1: So common I e. But how rife is it in
Speaker 1: our community at the moment? And is it only myth
Speaker 1: being made here in Australia.
Speaker 5: It's not just me probag that way, It's not just myth.
Speaker 5: There are other drugs. But you can really only manufacture
Speaker 5: synthetic drugs in Australia. If you're trying to muscle into
Speaker 5: the heroin industry, you need a lot of plant material.
Speaker 5: And if you're trying to muscle into the cocaine industry again,
Speaker 5: you need that much coca plant.
Speaker 1: It's not going to work out for you.
Speaker 5: You're better off just importing that and it becomes a
Speaker 5: border control issue or AFP slash border force issue. But
Speaker 5: thick drugs like meth lanphetamine, you can get sources the
Speaker 5: chemicals here and the equipment that you need here. So
Speaker 5: that's what it's a big probably the largest percentage.
Speaker 6: Of the work we do.
Speaker 2: I've been watching The Gentleman recently. Not sure if you've
Speaker 2: seen that, but that's all about marijuana plantations. Is that
Speaker 2: something you guys do as well? Find people with the
Speaker 2: blue lights?
Speaker 4: No, not really in our office, that's not you.
Speaker 6: It's more more of a genuine local region.
Speaker 1: We'll deal with.
Speaker 2: Fascinated by those ones with the props greenhouse in the backyard.
Speaker 1: I think we're using our manpower to go after more
Speaker 1: hardcore stuff lease days, aren't we'd.
Speaker 4: Still our crops are soilicia and they're very profitable organized crime.
Speaker 4: We're more specialized with the.
Speaker 6: Lab sort of set up.
Speaker 2: And so do you guys only do drugs or do
Speaker 2: you do likeation. Do you guys only raid like drug
Speaker 2: labs or are you going to places where people are
Speaker 2: building bombs and things as well?
Speaker 6: We could probably would be more specific.
Speaker 8: Yeah, generally we're just targeting drug labs. What I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm not doing if we had any sort of information
Speaker 8: that it was got more of a bomb flavor than
Speaker 8: a drug flavor, and we'll probably handed off to the
Speaker 8: US and explosions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for people listening right now that are like Jesus,
Speaker 1: this could be happening in my street. Is there any
Speaker 1: sign or telltales? Is there any telltale signs that you
Speaker 1: might see from someone's house that might give an indication
Speaker 1: that they're cooking something up in there.
Speaker 6: Generally, the chemical.
Speaker 4: Smell gives it away, and a lot of people just
Speaker 4: write it off.
Speaker 1: As cleaning products and stuff.
Speaker 4: Or yeah it's you know, they're just the suspicious behavior around.
Speaker 1: Because you've got a crazy cat lady next door, but
Speaker 1: you don't see any cats.
Speaker 5: There's a good chance she's cooked, especially if she's put
Speaker 5: up about fifteen security cameras.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny should say that.
Speaker 7: I had a friend who rented out her property in
Speaker 7: Hawthorn in Hawthorne of all places. And when they evicted
Speaker 7: finally victored the tenant, they discovered it had been used
Speaker 7: as a meth lab and you had to had to
Speaker 7: gut the place.
Speaker 1: There was powerpoints.
Speaker 2: Everyone, yeahs he rented, he moved in and then when
Speaker 2: he started actually looking at it properly something, it's like
Speaker 2: sixty power points in this room and a whole bunch
Speaker 2: in another.
Speaker 1: You don't need to charge sixty iPhones at once. A bit.
Speaker 6: It sounds like a little bit of crop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe where they were.
Speaker 1: Not a silarium. I don't know. Well, lads, look, we
Speaker 1: love doing the paper. We love the Victorian Police and
Speaker 1: the work you guys do. Thank you so much. You're
Speaker 1: putting yourselves on the line. It's a it's a massive job.
Speaker 2: This looks fun.
Speaker 1: It looks fun.
Speaker 5: I think we enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: It is fun.
Speaker 2: You must get it through when you just zip that
Speaker 2: bright orange suit up and put your.
Speaker 1: Howould your partner ever say when you're at home, haywork
Speaker 1: on the has mat. Hey, boys, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming and we appreciate it.
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