1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Let it Gaga, Paparazzi. This is number one hundred. Good morning. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: You are on the air with Jason and Lauren Clinty 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: from the newsroom as well, and one of our favorite 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: segments is back. We haven't done it for a while, guys, 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: but just play cool. The cops are here, Lawrence, tell 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: me what's you know? Now? For Pride the Pope Pie, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: we bring in different police officers. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: Go oh my gosh, it's like the cast of Breaking 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Bad has just rolled in. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Walter White's in the house. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: No, we've got detective acting Senior Sergeant Michael Kugler and 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Detective Sergeant Paul Gilmore. 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: Do get all right? Good morning, Good morning guys. Yes, 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: you might need to take your mask if we can't 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: he can we hear you? 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, we can hear. Okay, you can keep it on. 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: So you, guys are just for our radio audience that 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: can't see you but can only hear You're in a fool. 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: What is that suit that you're in? 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: This is a it's. 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: Called a tick suit, a week a suit. It's basically 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 3: a chemical resistant and some the one I'm wearing today 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: is also got some sort of fire resistance built into it. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: All we want to be on fire in this suit. 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: We use them when we're processing the clan labs. 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,279 Speaker 2: So what are you doing buy busting meth labs? 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Right? Okay, So that's world to why this is good morning, 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, we're good, thanks for joining us. 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: Is a hectic out be wearing? 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: How does this room smell? We're all good? 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: A little bit dodge, but we're just going to run 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: some test shortly, we'll see. 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: So you got to talk us through what you would 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: do day to. 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 5: Day in your job essentially, Well, it's it's pretty varied, 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: but we investigate locally manufactured drugs. 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: With victor and is it like part of my ignorance? 38 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: A scene in the movies? Are people like making meth 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: in bathtubs in houses and stuff? Yeah like that? 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah they are. 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 5: They're making myth in houses, and making myth in beery 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 5: chipping containers, and making myth in farm sheds, garages, pretty 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 5: much anywhere you can think of. 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to save people. I was just 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: going to save people. Could see how this stuff is made. 46 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: It's the last thing they'd put in their system, isn't it. 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 6: Absolutely? 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all synthetic, made synthetically made. It's all chemicals, 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: really dangerous. 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: And so by the time you guys get the call 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: to go and I don't know what you call check 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: out all that, have someone already found it or they like, 53 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: we're suspected that there's suspicious activity happening in this house. 54 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: And then you guys go and kick the door down. 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much. We're a bit of a one stop 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 6: shop at our office. 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: We get the intel, we investigate it, we do the raids, 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 4: and then we prosecute the offenders. Our process the scene, 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: which can be long if it's a big lab, and 60 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: then we process offend. 61 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: It's just what happens to the goods. 62 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: Well, they get taken out to a hazardous management unit 63 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 4: at a location and destroyed. 64 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: Yea, we don't go let twenty percent off for the 65 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: Christmas party. And then. 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 7: So what's happening underground here in Melbourne? We have we 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 7: got a scourge? Is there is there a problem or 68 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 7: is it something that's happening right the way around Australia, 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 7: right the way around the world. 70 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: I think there's no secret that there's a significant drug 71 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 4: problem in Australia in general. You know, look at our borders. 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 4: We're an Island, so it's easy to import in here, 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: and there's a lot of chemicals that come into this 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: country which are used to manufacture methamphetam. 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 5: Very high demand in Australian prices are high, which makes 76 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 5: it there's a lot of incentive for people out there 77 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 5: to joy and manufacture drugs or in pot drugs. 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: So what's the worst scene you've walked into most like 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: you would have seen it? 80 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: All right? 81 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Is there one thing that comes to mind you've walked 82 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: in and gone, I cannot believe what I'm looking at? 83 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 6: Ah? 84 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's been so that you can get everything from 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 5: what we call addiction based really small labs, and some 86 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 5: people work really neat, really methodical. Some people are really 87 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 5: well educated. I've got science backgrounds, and some are just mayhem. 88 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 5: It's just stuff everywhere, contaminants everywhere. They're contaminated. Like you 89 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 5: take their clothes off and they're still sitting off. 90 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Your hiding it. It's just full blown lab. 91 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're definitely trying to conceal yeah, yeah, yeah, so 92 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 5: and they'll go to great lengths to try and keep 93 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: it concealed. Just stick them in like sort of industrial areas, 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 5: rural areas to try and hide it because they can 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 5: be pretty smelly in pretty yeah. 96 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: And so I always admire the police because obviously, you 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: guys put yourself in real dangerous situations. Is what is 98 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: the danger that you guys are in, excuse me going 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: into these labs? Is it the chemicals or is it 100 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: the people? 101 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 6: We can say both, like, you're right, you've got a 102 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 6: bad batch. 103 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 7: The chemicals are very. 104 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: Sorry coffee in the middle of that. 105 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: Anyway, The chemicals are very volatile. You mix the the 106 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: wrong chemicals together and it's effectively a bomb. 107 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, explosives, flammable, toxic, cascinogenic. And then that's just the 108 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 5: chemical side of the house. And then you've got an 109 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 5: offender who have who isn't real thrill to arrive And 110 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 5: then isn't real thrill? 111 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: I was about to say, when you when it gets 112 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: to the point of a raid and you guys, you know, 113 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: slam the door and cops were coming in, do most 114 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: of them just go I'm done and give up, or 115 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: they put up a fight. 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: Most most really will generally realize what's happening, and you know, 117 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: it's a big shot to them when it happens. And 118 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 4: on the big organized crime labs you could almost guarantee 119 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: this one sort of firearm there very expensive and it's 120 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 4: very profitable, so to protect their poew. 121 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 6: That's going on. 122 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 7: You both watched Breaking Bad. 123 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 5: I only watched the first episode. I'm sure nurses don't 124 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 5: watch news show. Yeah, yeah, I just can't. 125 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 7: Have you adapted yourselves to some of the techniques you 126 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 7: see on that show. 127 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: Maybe it's definitely not far from the truth breakings. Yes, 128 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 4: that's from our side and from from the cook side. 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 6: They wear very similar stuff. 130 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think some of the methodology and chemicals 131 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 5: they used in the show and probably didn't do us 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 5: any favors as well. 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: Really, what do you mean by that taught people? 134 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 5: I think it was from what I've been told was accurate. 135 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 136 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 5: So in terms of the process. 137 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: Is interesting. 138 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: It's like a YouTube lesson. 139 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: So common I e. But how rife is it in 140 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: our community at the moment? And is it only myth 141 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: being made here in Australia. 142 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 5: It's not just me probag that way, It's not just myth. 143 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 5: There are other drugs. But you can really only manufacture 144 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: synthetic drugs in Australia. If you're trying to muscle into 145 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 5: the heroin industry, you need a lot of plant material. 146 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 5: And if you're trying to muscle into the cocaine industry again, 147 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 5: you need that much coca plant. 148 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: It's not going to work out for you. 149 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 5: You're better off just importing that and it becomes a 150 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 5: border control issue or AFP slash border force issue. But 151 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: thick drugs like meth lanphetamine, you can get sources the 152 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 5: chemicals here and the equipment that you need here. So 153 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 5: that's what it's a big probably the largest percentage. 154 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 6: Of the work we do. 155 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: I've been watching The Gentleman recently. Not sure if you've 156 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: seen that, but that's all about marijuana plantations. Is that 157 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: something you guys do as well? Find people with the 158 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: blue lights? 159 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: No, not really in our office, that's not you. 160 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 6: It's more more of a genuine local region. 161 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: We'll deal with. 162 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: Fascinated by those ones with the props greenhouse in the backyard. 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: I think we're using our manpower to go after more 164 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: hardcore stuff lease days, aren't we'd. 165 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: Still our crops are soilicia and they're very profitable organized crime. 166 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: We're more specialized with the. 167 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 6: Lab sort of set up. 168 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: And so do you guys only do drugs or do 169 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: you do likeation. Do you guys only raid like drug 170 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: labs or are you going to places where people are 171 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: building bombs and things as well? 172 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 6: We could probably would be more specific. 173 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 8: Yeah, generally we're just targeting drug labs. What I mean, Yeah, 174 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 8: I'm not doing if we had any sort of information 175 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 8: that it was got more of a bomb flavor than 176 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 8: a drug flavor, and we'll probably handed off to the 177 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 8: US and explosions. 178 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, for people listening right now that are like Jesus, 179 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: this could be happening in my street. Is there any 180 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: sign or telltales? Is there any telltale signs that you 181 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: might see from someone's house that might give an indication 182 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: that they're cooking something up in there. 183 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 6: Generally, the chemical. 184 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: Smell gives it away, and a lot of people just 185 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: write it off. 186 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: As cleaning products and stuff. 187 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: Or yeah it's you know, they're just the suspicious behavior around. 188 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: Because you've got a crazy cat lady next door, but 189 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: you don't see any cats. 190 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 5: There's a good chance she's cooked, especially if she's put 191 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: up about fifteen security cameras. 192 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny should say that. 193 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 7: I had a friend who rented out her property in 194 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 7: Hawthorn in Hawthorne of all places. And when they evicted 195 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 7: finally victored the tenant, they discovered it had been used 196 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 7: as a meth lab and you had to had to 197 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 7: gut the place. 198 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,239 Speaker 1: There was powerpoints. 199 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: Everyone, yeahs he rented, he moved in and then when 200 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: he started actually looking at it properly something, it's like 201 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: sixty power points in this room and a whole bunch 202 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: in another. 203 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: You don't need to charge sixty iPhones at once. A bit. 204 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 6: It sounds like a little bit of crop. 205 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe where they were. 206 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Not a silarium. I don't know. Well, lads, look, we 207 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: love doing the paper. We love the Victorian Police and 208 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: the work you guys do. Thank you so much. You're 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: putting yourselves on the line. It's a it's a massive job. 210 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: This looks fun. 211 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: It looks fun. 212 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 5: I think we enjoyed it. 213 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 6: It is fun. 214 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: You must get it through when you just zip that 215 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: bright orange suit up and put your. 216 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: Howould your partner ever say when you're at home, haywork 217 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: on the has mat. Hey, boys, thank you so much 218 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: for coming and we appreciate it. 219 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 5: Thanksving l Lauren wake Up feeling Good on number one hundred. 220 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: Lauren on Socials