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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on wrundry Land Always Was, Always

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Speaker 2: Hey Chicks, I'm Sale and I'm Out.

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Speaker 1: This is two break chicks to show that shares life

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Speaker 1: lessons and tips to help make you rich in life.

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Speaker 1: And today we're adjoined by the Career Girl Diaries Lass

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Speaker 1: herself Kim Elizabeth James. Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hello, But before we.

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Speaker 1: Get into the episode, we love to start with our

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Speaker 1: life lessons of the week, So would you like to

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Speaker 1: start us off.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I am very passionate about not having

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Speaker 3: your phone in the bedroom and getting an alarm clock,

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Speaker 3: and I've been pretty rigorous without for the past two years.

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Speaker 3: And then this last week I was up on the

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Speaker 3: family farm and I didn't have my alarm clock. I

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Speaker 3: had my phone in there, and it's just you really

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Speaker 3: don't see how much it makes an impact until you

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Speaker 3: wake up with your phone in the room and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I'm late to get out of bed, I didn't do

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Speaker 3: my alarm clock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's so good, because I think as well things

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Speaker 4: like that, it's really hard to stick, like to start

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Speaker 4: and stick to it. So when you have been able

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Speaker 4: to stick to it, and then you regress, You're like, oh, okay, no,

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Speaker 4: I'm really going to stick to that.

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Speaker 3: You start to see it yeah yeah, yeah, and you're

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Speaker 3: just like, wow, this has made such an impact because

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Speaker 3: when then you start your day just with like your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I also love to do a little like three things

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Speaker 3: you're grateful of looking forward to before you open your

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Speaker 3: phone and starts tells you what like cycle you're on,

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Speaker 3: or you look at social media. So yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 3: this morning was like, got to get that alarm clock

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Speaker 3: back out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that dusted off. What's yours? Okay

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Speaker 2: mine is?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if this is a dumb life lesson, right,

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Speaker 4: but this is something that I learned this week while

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Speaker 4: we've been in Melbourne and we're walking down the street

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Speaker 4: and soual and I obviously love a thrift shop or

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Speaker 4: an op shop. Did you know that op shop stands

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Speaker 4: for opportunity shop?

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Speaker 5: Yes, because down here it's called that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not called that in Sydney. Else you just

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Speaker 2: call it an op shop.

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Speaker 4: And then like on the side it said opportunity shop,

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Speaker 4: and I went, that makes total fucking sense, like being

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Speaker 4: like whoa.

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Speaker 2: Like It literally blew my mind. So every Melbourne person

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, Sydney people, you got my back, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: that blew my mind.

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Speaker 3: Does have loyalty points here as well, because I'm from

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Speaker 3: New South Wales, but they have loyalty points, so like

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Speaker 3: you buy a certain amount and then you'll go the

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Speaker 3: next time. They're like, oh, you get ten dollars off

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Speaker 3: and you feel kind of bad.

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Speaker 2: I would be rich. Yeah, that's probably a good thing.

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Speaker 4: We don't have that because I would just end up

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Speaker 4: buying things I don't need because I have loyalty points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need any more incentive.

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Speaker 4: Yes, give me this fluo green snake print pans.

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Speaker 2: I need that, don't Sally, You're already in the cart.

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Speaker 2: Let's be real. Okay, what's your life lessons? Okay, my life.

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Speaker 1: Lesson is a bit of a wholesome one, but it's

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Speaker 1: you know, on the days when you feel like you

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Speaker 1: only have forty percent to give, if you give that

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're you know, guilt ourselves and be like,

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Speaker 1: oh but I could have done this all that, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, no, you don't have to always push yourself

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the tank is never going to be full one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent of the time. And I think that's when

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Speaker 4: As you get older, you get better at recognizing that

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that today.

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Speaker 1: And reaping the benefits of those boundaries seal error.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm for it.

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Speaker 1: But let's get into the episode, shall we.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So in this episode, we're going to be talking

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Speaker 4: career and clarity, money and personal brand, and the good

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Speaker 4: old fashioned burnout baby never matter, I wish, Lily.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone has had some run in with that bitch,

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Speaker 2: the rainout bitch. But let's start with career and clarity.

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Speaker 4: So I would love to know what's one observation that

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Speaker 4: you've had in your journey about women and their career

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Speaker 4: in their twenties and beyond.

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Speaker 3: It's so easy to feel like you're not you're a

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Speaker 3: failure if you're not in your dream career from the beginning,

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Speaker 3: whether or not it's like the trained job or the

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Speaker 5: It's so easy to look.

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Speaker 3: Online and we have such a comparison right now through

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Speaker 3: that you want, and then you just kind of start

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Speaker 3: to not be positive within yourself and what you're going

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Speaker 3: for because we're seeing what everyone else is. So I

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Speaker 3: think that's a really key one because one of the

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Speaker 3: best pieces of advice that I read really early on

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Speaker 3: was look for the job that you want where other

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Speaker 3: people aren't looking. Because if you go for those industries

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Speaker 3: might not be sexy. We can't all be working Memorial

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Speaker 3: or Mecca. We will still build the skills, hard skills,

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Speaker 5: You're going to get the.

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Speaker 3: Experiences and you're going to do that networking so that

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Speaker 3: when you go for that role, it's just a no

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Speaker 3: brain and it's you. And I think that's something I'm

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Speaker 3: very passionate and talk a lot about. Like now people

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Speaker 3: look at what I do and they're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: the dream job and the dream.

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Speaker 5: Office is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: It's like I started in the plumbing industry in Western Sydney,

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Speaker 3: like selling toilets and tools. I couldn't get a job

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Speaker 3: did it build the network, got the skills, got the experiences,

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Speaker 3: so that then we've ended up being a customer of

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Speaker 3: for that, they're like, come on in, babe, like let's go.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know where it will lead you, no,

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Speaker 3: but just like go for the places that aren't as sexy,

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Speaker 4: Also, when it's not the sexy job, it is a

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Speaker 2: Job, you're really good at it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I would love to know what is everyone's like

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Speaker 4: first job that was like potentially not embarrassing, because we're

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Speaker 4: My one of my first jobs was being a kid's

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Speaker 4: party entertainer and I did dress as Pepper Pig in

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Speaker 2: Do the hands and like hug these kids. But I

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Speaker 4: And then another one was like I literally had to

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Speaker 4: Never again it was like at first it was worth

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Speaker 2: It was not worth it in a million years.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there are people that loved it, but you

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Speaker 2: It's character building.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was like rejection therapy and humiliation ritual all right

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Speaker 3: Rang so that because mine was quite similar. I worked

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Speaker 3: My family have a macadamia farm and down the road

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Speaker 3: And then this goat says, not grow castle. The amount

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: My first job was I worked at a chicken sharp

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Speaker 1: and it was hell and then my fin you eat

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Speaker 1: all the chips? Yeah, I'd have to like steal them

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just cleaning. Yeah, well I was

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Speaker 2: Iconic.

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Speaker 4: But bringing it back to the original messaging is yeah,

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Speaker 4: with anything, though, you're never going to be at the

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Speaker 2: But I like that. I think it's really important and

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Speaker 4: You up better because yeah, you it is harder, like

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Speaker 4: into marketing or something, it's a lot harder to sell

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Speaker 2: So then when you do go into something, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also in marketing when businesses have huge brands, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. And there's like I always say that

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Speaker 3: if you work for an unsexy or something that has

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Speaker 3: work than if you work for a business they're like,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna make fifty million this week. Yeah, whether or

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Speaker 3: not we post online or not. So yeah, you definitely

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Speaker 3: build so much resilience.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're like here's fifty k budget, just go

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Speaker 4: spend it, and you're like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like I have five dollars to my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we would love for you to elaborate on this

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Speaker 1: state that you shared, and it's don't wait until you're

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Speaker 3: I am all about evidence based confidence, yes, so a

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Speaker 3: You can obviously do affirmations and talk into confidence, but

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Speaker 3: evidence based confidence basically means doing the thing, and then

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Speaker 3: thing to build more resistant resilience, sorry to then be

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Speaker 4: myself if I didn't work for another company. So for

446
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Speaker 4: people that their end goal, their dream job, their passion

447
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Speaker 4: is being an influencer, a creator, a YouTuber starting their

448
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Speaker 4: own business, would you still recommend for them to go

449
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Speaker 4: get a job within the industry so they can learn

450
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Speaker 4: from people one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent learn on someone else's dime and someone else's tas.

452
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Speaker 5: I love it, honestly till.

453
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Speaker 3: The cows come home. I'm ten years out now and

454
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Speaker 3: I now learned and realized so many things that I

455
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Speaker 3: learned in corporate. How to like stand operating procedures, time

456
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Speaker 3: management of yourself, like how to pitch, how to do

457
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Speaker 3: like just so many things that I have conversations with

458
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Speaker 3: others and they're like, wow, like you really learned all

459
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Speaker 3: these things in corporate that I didn't, so now I

460
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Speaker 3: completely agree, and that's where then I would have. That

461
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Speaker 3: is like a side hustle your passion project and you

462
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Speaker 3: get to grow create and creatively as well. So that

463
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Speaker 3: also you don't feel like your passion you're forcing it

464
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Speaker 3: to be monetary from the beginning, you'll just burn yourself out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.

466
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Speaker 4: Learn the skills you need to build your own business

467
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Speaker 4: on someone else's dimes ten out of ten. Speaking of dime,

468
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Speaker 4: one of the top questions we always get, which will

469
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Speaker 4: not be surprising to you at all or when we

470
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Speaker 4: do a career episode, is how to get a fucking

471
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Speaker 4: pay rise in a cost of living crisis ondred percent.

472
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Speaker 2: More redundancies being made than pay rises.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And also the key thing is a lot of

474
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Speaker 3: industries is more people coming out of university, but there's

475
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Speaker 3: less roles that are going for it. So whether or

476
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Speaker 3: not you're going for a promotion or you're going for

477
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Speaker 3: a job, it's actually all about you sell yourself and

478
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Speaker 3: you create a business case with you because at the

479
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Speaker 3: end of the day, if you view yourself less of

480
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Speaker 3: an employee but more of your product, and you're selling you,

481
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Speaker 3: that's how you're going to go for it. So if

482
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Speaker 3: you are going for a promotion, one of the key

483
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Speaker 3: things is actually knowing the next step that you want

484
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Speaker 3: to go for. So say you're at a coordinator level

485
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Speaker 3: and you're like, cool, I want to go for a

486
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Speaker 3: specialist level or a senior coordinator. Read the skills of

487
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Speaker 3: that job at a different company. Identify what you have

488
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Speaker 3: and what that would need, and look at that gap.

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Speaker 5: Then look at the L.

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Speaker 3: And D, the learning and development you would need to

491
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Speaker 3: get there, and get the business to pay for it.

492
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Speaker 3: Because if a business has paid seventy grand for your salary,

493
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Speaker 3: there's seventy grand in the whole. If you come and go, hey,

494
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Speaker 3: this is a two grand L and D that's going

495
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Speaker 3: to make me better at my job. They just got

496
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Speaker 3: a better ROI, then businesses will always pay. It's like

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Speaker 3: ninety percent of businesses are worried about staff retention. It's

498
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Speaker 3: like ninety percent also of like employees want to level

499
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Speaker 3: up and learn. So L and D is one of

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Speaker 3: the best things that you can actually do for skills

501
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Speaker 3: development and also to retain your best people. So once

502
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Speaker 3: then you've identified that L and D, then you would

503
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Speaker 3: pitch to the business and go, look, I've identified this problem.

504
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Speaker 3: Like we've talked about wanting to do this new theme.

505
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Speaker 3: We've talked about this new project, but we don't have

506
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Speaker 3: anyone for it. I want to step up into this role.

507
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Speaker 3: I could do that. This is what it would look like,

508
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Speaker 3: and then go cool, get the appetite. A business will

509
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Speaker 3: always say yes, Like not always say yes, but I've

510
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Speaker 3: had a lot of business.

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Speaker 5: I going to be like yes.

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Speaker 3: And also this is how I had eight promotions in

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Speaker 3: like ten years. Because you identify a problem in a solution,

514
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Speaker 3: they go slay.

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Speaker 5: You've done that part.

516
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Speaker 3: You talk about the compensation, So always do your industry research.

517
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Speaker 3: Ideally talk with other people and what they're on. I'm

518
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Speaker 3: very much like Salu transparency, like realistically, that is how

519
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Speaker 3: we all can grow and identify where it's severely underpaid

520
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Speaker 3: than others. And that's how you have that conversation. It

521
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Speaker 3: will give you growth, it will give you more money.

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Speaker 5: That kind of piece.

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Speaker 3: On the flip side, if you're going for a role

524
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Speaker 3: and you're like wanting more money and you're going as

525
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Speaker 3: a year person as well.

526
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Speaker 5: The key things with.

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Speaker 3: Regumes right now is a ninety eight percent of Fortune

528
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Speaker 3: five hundred companies and we're seeing more and more smaller

529
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Speaker 3: ones have what's called an ATS, which is an applicant

530
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Speaker 3: tracking system. So your resume is no longer gone in

531
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Speaker 3: the days of the beautiful two page that you hand

532
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Speaker 3: out to the chicken chop or to the party and

533
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Speaker 3: they go, this person's great. It's actually goes through a program,

534
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Speaker 3: so you are competing with AI and so that then

535
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Speaker 3: means your resume has to match that. So basically what

536
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Speaker 3: an ATS is looking at it wants to identify that

537
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Speaker 3: you are the perfect.

538
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Speaker 5: Match to them. It's like we're on a dating app, right,

539
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Speaker 5: perfect match.

540
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Speaker 3: So it will then want to know what is the

541
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Speaker 3: skills that you have. It will match the experiences, it

542
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: will have your hard skills, your soft skills, the outcomes,

543
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Speaker 3: the results that you've done for a business. So you

544
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 3: actually need to match all those things and have a

545
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Speaker 3: custom well tailored regume essentially to go for that, and

546
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: those little tweaks is what makes the difference. I coincidentally

547
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Speaker 3: had five friends in the last thirty days that I'd

548
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Speaker 3: help them get a roll and they all got employed

549
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Speaker 3: in thirty days, and kind of I'll take a few keepings.

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Speaker 2: Corporate roles or creative roles.

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Speaker 3: Corporate roles, yeah, corporate roles, yes, And so a few

552
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Speaker 3: things that we did when we had a look at

553
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Speaker 3: their rasu MA regemes are only read for an average

554
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Speaker 3: of seven seconds.

555
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Speaker 2: Wow, oh my god.

556
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Speaker 4: That fucking sucks because it takes so fucking long to

557
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Speaker 4: do your.

558
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Speaker 2: Resume and for it to be seven seconds and you're done.

559
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want your regime to kind of read like

560
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Speaker 3: the difference between reading a book and leading like a

561
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Speaker 3: listical article. Like you know when you see those listicals

562
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Speaker 3: you can get the top points. You're like, cool, Yeah,

563
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: you want out. So with your rasime MA, you want

564
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Speaker 3: to have your experiences to have like the headline of

565
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: the skill that you did align to what they're saying,

566
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Speaker 3: say you're saying social media management. Then in that you

567
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 3: want to have the actions that you took and that

568
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: shows that you have the experience I did X, Y

569
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Speaker 3: and z, and then the outcomes of the results, like

570
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Speaker 3: what were the results that you generated in that role

571
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Speaker 3: That can also be up to like forty percent of

572
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Speaker 3: rage as will be like more highly looked at if

573
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Speaker 3: you've got those outcomes and results, So then it's like

574
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Speaker 3: people can see the storytelling within themselves and go wow,

575
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Speaker 3: I wonder what that would look like for us.

576
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can see the vision. Yeah yeah yeah.

577
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Speaker 3: So sometimes it's one lining out all those things and

578
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Speaker 3: two like actually selling it in a way that people

579
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Speaker 3: will fucking read.

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Speaker 5: A rasion a yeah.

581
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Speaker 3: And then you want to have your skills, so hard

582
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Speaker 3: skills like what you actually have soft skills that's like communication,

583
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Speaker 3: team management, all those kind of things. And then also

584
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Speaker 3: like platforms, like right now we're in a world where

585
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Speaker 3: all businesses are using tech platforms, Like what are the

586
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Speaker 3: things that you know already how to do? Because that

587
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Speaker 3: might be the difference between you and somewhere else are like, oh,

588
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Speaker 3: they already know how to use all of these programs.

589
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Speaker 5: That not teach them exactly.

590
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Speaker 3: So those kind of key little things is also what

591
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Speaker 3: will help you stand out.

592
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Speaker 2: What do you think is more important? Personal brand or resumes.

593
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Speaker 3: Both your regemes in with your personal brand. So a

594
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: personal brand is what's going to open up opportunities for you.

595
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Speaker 3: It's what also is going to make you get noticed,

596
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's actually how you're going to get headhunted

597
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: for a role that's not advertised. So a key thing

598
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: with a personal brand is I've been headhunted and we

599
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Speaker 3: have the conversation, they still ask for a regeme. Your

600
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: regeme is basically like, if you can talk the talk

601
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: on your personal brand, that's showing you can walk the

602
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: walk like that's like your proof point. That's the validation

603
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: to what they know about you. But a key thing

604
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 3: with a personal brand is it is the best way

605
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Speaker 3: to be able to do a career pivot if you

606
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Speaker 3: wanted to move into a different industry, which I have

607
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Speaker 3: friends that literally now are in marketing that had only

608
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Speaker 3: been one year or so in the industry. And the

609
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Speaker 3: other thing is that more and more jobs are actually

610
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Speaker 3: going with referrals, so a lot more businesses now give

611
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Speaker 3: referral bonuses. So I know that some companies do for

612
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Speaker 3: about fifteen hundred dollars referral bonuses, but I've had people

613
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Speaker 3: mess me on Instagram say that like their company has

614
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Speaker 3: a fifteen thousand dollars referral.

615
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Speaker 1: WHOA.

616
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Speaker 3: So that's what your personal brand will do. It will

617
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Speaker 3: unlock those things, but then your rage may will go

618
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Speaker 3: all right, Look, they can actually.

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Speaker 4: Do the world. And I think as well, like the

620
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Speaker 4: way that social media is turning, like the if you

621
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Speaker 4: are online posting about it, people will see that and

622
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Speaker 4: be like, that's your passion, whether it's LinkedIn, whether it's

623
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Speaker 4: TikTok whatever. My favorite thing is you can always sell

624
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Speaker 4: when someone's like, I hate my job, and you can

625
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Speaker 4: tell they want to quit because they start posting on LinkedIn.

626
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Speaker 5: Absolutely linked influence.

627
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Speaker 2: Your employee wants to quit, that's what's happening.

628
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Speaker 1: What is the worst piece of career advice you've ever

629
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Speaker 1: been given?

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Speaker 5: Staying in a role. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're at a time now where it's less

632
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: about ten minutes more about results. So if you were

633
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Speaker 3: to stay in a company, so you stayed one company,

634
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Speaker 3: you knew one way of doing things, and you stayed

635
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Speaker 3: in a particular role, and that person had fifteen years

636
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Speaker 3: of experience. Someone else had seven years of experience. They

637
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Speaker 3: change four different businesses, they had four different ways of

638
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: doing something, they had more actions, they developed up further

639
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: in roles. That person will get the job. And it's

640
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Speaker 3: something that I had a conversation with someone recently that

641
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Speaker 3: works with like high level execs, and she said that

642
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Speaker 3: what she has.

643
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Speaker 5: Is people in their fifties and sixties.

644
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Speaker 3: Fuck, people in their forties are becoming CEOs, it's like yeah,

645
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: because they're fast tracking that level, so unfortunately staying in

646
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Speaker 3: a role waiting for it to also get better. You know,

647
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Speaker 3: when they tell you like we're going to do this

648
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Speaker 3: big at that, like give it a time limit, ask

649
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Speaker 3: them for a time limit, like what are we looking

650
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Speaker 3: at three months?

651
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Speaker 5: Because if they can't, they will talk to you.

652
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Speaker 2: To get you to stay.

653
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Speaker 4: What's the balance between staying in a role for a

654
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Speaker 4: good period of time and job hopping?

655
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Speaker 2: Because that I completely agree with.

656
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Speaker 4: If you stay somewhere for five to ten years or

657
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Speaker 4: whatever it is, you can think like, oh, that's good.

658
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Speaker 2: It shows that I'm loyal.

659
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Speaker 4: Because on the other hand, if you change roles a lot,

660
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Speaker 4: people think you job hop or there's a reason why

661
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Speaker 4: you don't stay oh blah blah blah blah blah.

662
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Speaker 2: So what's the sweet spot?

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Speaker 4: Like if you were working in corporate or full time

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Speaker 4: roles or whatever whatever it is, that you'd be like, Okay,

665
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Speaker 4: I'm going to stay here for this amount of time

666
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: and then leave.

667
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: To get experience.

668
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: Obviously it's not a one size fits all, but what

669
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 4: would your advice be for that?

670
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: My advice is always stay in the role until you've

671
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: absorbed or growth opportunities, like basically look at it like

672
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: it's a sponge, whether or not that was in one

673
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: year or four years. You stay where you've like, I've

674
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: exhausted everything here and there's just like no further growth

675
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: opportunities for me in this role. And that's where when

676
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: someone will go, oh, why are you leaving your previous employer?

677
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: If you go, look, I got really great to this role.

678
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: I've done all of these particular things, I've done, all

679
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: these experiences. These are all the results that I've done. Unfortunately,

680
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: there's not growth opportunities for that here, and so I'm

681
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: looking for that next role or go slay. We want

682
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: someone ambitious swing on into our business. So that's what

683
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: I say, like identify as well. You don't have to

684
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: also leave straight away. Like some people will come to

685
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: me and be like, oh, my job has no opportunities.

686
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: I said, have you had that conversation with your manager

687
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: and actually identified And they might be like, oh, yeah,

688
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 3: like we've had conversations. You're not in the room of

689
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: about this thing. Yeah, you could go into that and

690
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: look at that. But then if you get to a

691
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: point you're like, you know what this has been month's worth.

692
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: It's not getting better. There's someone above me. We're saying

693
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: these things. It's not coming to fruition. But I can

694
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: see it elsewhere. That's when you're comfortable because I think

695
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, I left somewhere after eight years, and the reason.

696
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: That I did was I outgrew it.

697
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: I was like, there's not further for me here, like

698
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: you have someone going into a director role and so

699
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: there's not extra growth. And the business came to me

700
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: and went, hi, babe, do you want that but on

701
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: a global scale? And I was like, of course I do.

702
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: And so when people are like, why are you leaving?

703
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I've grown here, like I've done what

704
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: I came here to do. And the same in when

705
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: I was before I went to work for myself. You know,

706
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: I came back from Europe and they're like you're back.

707
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're gonna hate it, but I need to

708
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: leave and they're like, what do you actually mean?

709
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: You leave? Literally?

710
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: And a lot of that.

711
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 3: Was I came into this business and you know, we

712
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: wrote the plan, we wrote the direction, what the department

713
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: direction was going to be, and I went, hang on,

714
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: why am I not doing my business? Like I keep

715
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: doing this for others, and I need to start doing

716
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: this for mine. So that's where I knew this was

717
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: the stage and for me to lead a man.

718
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: That's the thing is we can fall into like the

719
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: bleed blue mentality of a workplace and it says if

720
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: it's your business, but it's not, like and you get

721
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: so passionate about these businesses, which is great. You should

722
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: be passionate for where you work, but sometimes I do

723
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: believe there's a slippery slope and they have these incentives

724
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: of being like, we're going to give you shares if

725
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: you stay me in for that years, but.

726
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: It's still not your business.

727
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: No, So like have passion, but also don't put all

728
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 4: your eggs in that basket. And with everything that you're

729
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: saying as well, there comes a lot of confidence to

730
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: be able to have these conversations, which I think is

731
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 4: really really hard to build. And you have an amazing

732
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: quote where you say you're not lucky, you're just good

733
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: at your job. What's your advice for dealing with a

734
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: lack of confidence or imposter syndrome in your career?

735
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: A lot with that is that it's very easy for

736
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: us to tell ourselves that we're lucky, but luck is

737
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: actually our preparation meets opportunity. The reason this Operate opportunity

738
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: came is because you've built all of that expertise and

739
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: that knowledge, and you like you've walked the walk, you've

740
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: talked the talk, and that opportunities can't They didn't just

741
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: go oops, we want to do this thing and it's

742
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: ready for you. No, You've done all the preparation to

743
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: be ready for that opportunity. So a lot of that

744
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: with imposter syndrome is it's usually that gap when you're

745
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: in that growth zone and like what you see when

746
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: we talked about the evidence based confidence isn't aligning to

747
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: the external factors that's telling you these things. So that's

748
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: where I was actually first stepping into my first management

749
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: role and I was had crippling imposter syndrome, and I

750
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, I'm holding myself back from the next thing,

751
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: Like all these people are telling me I can do it,

752
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: but I don't see it in myself.

753
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 5: I went and work with the therapist and I was.

754
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: Like, I feel like I'm constantly proving to people that

755
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: you know, I can do it, but I just don't

756
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: feel like I've proved it to myself internally, and she's like,

757
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: let's work on that. And I really identified those places

758
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: where I was probably going to pass younger versions of

759
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: myself where I wasn't super confident or I wasn't smart

760
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: in school, and like really identified that. So now it's

761
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: at a point where I actually look at these opportunities

762
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: and go, no, don't overthink this or don't you know,

763
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: downplay that.

764
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: You're just lucky.

765
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: You did all the preparation to get to this stage,

766
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: and it's very easy with your career to get stuck

767
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: on the hedonic treadmill as well. Like we're constantly looking

768
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: for that next thing, and that means that you're like, Okay,

769
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: when I become a manager, I'm going to be happy.

770
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: When I become a director, I'm going to be happy.

771
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: It's not true.

772
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 5: You'll become a director.

773
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: You're working longer hours, you're in eight meetings a day,

774
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: you've got people, you know, stuff in it, and you're like, fuck,

775
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm just when I was twenty one, live.

776
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: In the dream and.

777
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so grab coffees.

778
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

779
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Miley Cyrus was on it when she said it

780
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: was all about the climb.

781
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: Fuck, it is my spirit guide, Like truly she gets it.

782
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: You've touched on burn out a little bit, But what's

783
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: the difference between being burnt out and being busy at work?

784
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: Busy at work like everyone will have those times, you

785
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: always have that when you have a project going or

786
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: extra things. Burnout is when it's chronic and it's actually

787
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: affecting you. The thing about burnout, it's not actually about

788
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: doing too much. It's about not doing the things that

789
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: make you you. So when you do work late, you're

790
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: not getting to that gym class, When you do work like,

791
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: you're not going to trivia with your friends, and a

792
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: Wednesday night, when you're really burnt out from work during

793
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: the day, you're getting to the weekend and you're just like,

794
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: I need to rot. So you're not having human connection

795
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: because you just need to rest to try to get

796
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: through the next week. So when it comes to burnout,

797
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: it's usually from a lack of balance across all aspects

798
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: of your life. And so I now I think when

799
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: I first started working by myself, I was so scared

800
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: of hitting burnout because I hit full blown like burnout took.

801
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 5: Two years to recover.

802
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: But I actually have never gotten back to that because

803
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: I have built in all the little things in my

804
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: day that I work sometimes seven days a week, and

805
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: I'm so fine and happy to do that because I'm

806
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: in such a like just season of my life where

807
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: that's it. But I don't burn out because I don't

808
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: let myself get there.

809
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have a post on this that I

810
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: would love for you to share on the pod. Is

811
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: your daily non negotiables to avoid burnout?

812
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. It's all tools in your tool

813
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: belt essentially. So first one, I am all about, as

814
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: I said, no phone in the bedroom. Start with you

815
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: in your brain, Like I don't do the big one

816
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: morning routines, but I'm like, no phone in the bedroom.

817
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: Three things you're looking forward to that day. The second one,

818
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: I'm all about what I love to call a stomp

819
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: and pod. So it's going for your walk and listen

820
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: to a podcast and then a few little things. So

821
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: I always take lunch away from my desk, regardless even

822
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: if it's fifteen twenty minutes.

823
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 5: Block it.

824
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: If you do work corporate, block that time out of

825
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: your day and be like this is lunchtime, Like this

826
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: is me time.

827
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: What do you do when someone ignores that meeting in

828
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: your calendar and still puts a meeting in the time

829
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: that you've allocated for lunch.

830
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: You can say to them, look, I'm happy to do

831
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: it this time if this is really really urgent, but

832
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: that's lunchtime, and do you reckon that you could do

833
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: a different time alternatively. So they will be those times

834
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: where sometimes you go, Okay, look we can do it

835
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: this time. It's urgent, we need this theme, but I

836
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: have a blocked in my calendar. And then like people

837
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: just know. Also at the end of the day, always

838
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: prep for the next day, like brain dump the shit

839
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: out of your brain so it can turn off. Like

840
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 3: I always thought that like the moment when I would

841
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: realize that I was like healed after recovering from burnout

842
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: was when my brain was able to just be like

843
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: a bit of a golden retree. But you know, you

844
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: meet those people and you know they're just like not

845
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: thinking and they're just in the room with you. I've

846
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: reached that level, and I'm like, this is therapy. Money

847
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: is best spent, and a lot of that is a

848
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: brain dump, like just dump it all out. What do

849
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: you need to prep for the next day. Also, if

850
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: you're like in a very much like very scared or

851
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: just worried time at the moment is a lot going

852
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: on schedule worried time, Like give it to your brain,

853
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: be like we're worrying for ten minutes. It will actually

854
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: realize that it's not as worried that it will talk

855
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: itself out.

856
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

857
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I literally post on LinkedIn recently, like LinkedIn in

858
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: all places like cry often. Yeah, Like you can't get

859
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: over a feeling unless you feel it and.

860
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: Get it out.

861
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 5: Just get it out.

862
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: Just go to the print and have a little sob

863
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: driving home, car cry, shower cry.

864
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: I love a drive cry, but to an extent sometimes

865
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: you yeah.

866
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 5: Sometimes dangerous.

867
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: Okay, to wrap up, I feel like.

868
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: This is a spicy question to wrap up on, but

869
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: a good question to leave people from this episode to

870
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: go and have a little thinky pooh, and it is.

871
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: What are the five signs it's time to look for

872
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: a new job?

873
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: Good one. I think we talked a lot about it

874
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 5: with growth.

875
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: So if you're an autopilot in your role and you're like, well,

876
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: every day is the same day, I'm doing all the

877
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: same things. Absolutely, if you can't see that next role

878
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: progression or you've had that conversation and there's not that

879
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: next step there for you. If the company culture is

880
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: also not aligned to you, like if you're also identifying

881
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: that that's holding you back, Like if you're looking at

882
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: there like leadership is in a bit of a binfire

883
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: right now, you probably can't get to that level of

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Speaker 3: reach that level. That can also be a really key one.

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Speaker 3: And also the Sunday stories become, you know, a bit

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Speaker 3: Sunday and be anxious and get to tenning on Monday

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Speaker 3: and be like crying and then on the iconic being

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Speaker 3: like a parcel will make me happy.

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Speaker 4: This felt like a personal So how long have you

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Speaker 4: been stalking? That's amazing and you're amazing. Please tell us

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Speaker 4: where the chicks can find.

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Speaker 3: You The Krueg Diaries, Instagram and TikTok also my name

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Speaker 3: if you're on LinkedIn, but I can't. I'm all like

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Speaker 3: a business school there, So Daries, TikTok, Instagram. You'll see

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Speaker 3: me do my stomping pod stomp and pod this episode.

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Speaker 1: Baby, Yeah, thanks to you chicks for having us in

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Speaker 1: the Earhels.

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Speaker 2: We love to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to producing for having us today, and to

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Speaker 1: m I K Made for making today's episode happen.

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Speaker 2: Love it, Love you baby,