WEBVTT - Sharri | 8 August 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.640 Why on Sky News. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:05.360 This is Shari. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.559 Good evening, Welcome to the show. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:13.240 The IBA and alban Easy clash over accusations government spending 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.280 is driving up inflation. That full story in a moment 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.479 a form ahead of Israeli intelligence, will be on the 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:25.279 show live as Israel prepares for a devastating strike by 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.760 Iran and chaos at the University of Sydney as students 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:35.160 vote to support terrorism against Israel, they laugh and yell 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.880 when asked to condemn the October seven attacks. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.279 At this point, it seems like university Vice Chancellor. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.760 Mark Scott has no chance of regaining control of this 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.680 lost generation. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.959 On his campus. But one brave young student did. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.120 Stand up to the mob, and she will join me 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.880 on the show tonight. This whole story a Shari exclusive 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.240 and it's coming up later this hour, But first tonight, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.360 the IBA governor has embarrassed Anthony Albanezi by contradicting his 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:11.160 comments that inflation was under control just hours after he 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.800 said it. There was a bizarre spectacle today where the 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.800 Prime Minister tried to claim his policies were putting downward 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:25.360 pressure on inflation, when IBA economists have said the precise opposite. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.400 The Central Bank specifically said this week that government spending 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.640 was keeping inflation high and stopping rates from falling. They 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.920 couldn't have been any clearer, saying it was a significant 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.800 reason why inflation wouldn't return to the target band of 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.959 two to three percent until twenty twenty six. Yet the 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.120 Prime Minister today tried to pretend this was nonsense. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.000 This wasn't even a. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.760 Case of the PM trying to spin his way out 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:54.480 of a problem. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.720 He was literally in denial mode. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.920 Have a look inflation. The RBA has taken a shot 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.960 that you're spending, which is why rates aren't coming down. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.160 Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:10.919 spending federal and state budgets. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.760 Well, that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect and. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.680 Well this is the quote here from the RBA. Public 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.520 demand is forecast to be stronger than previously expected, reflecting 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.040 recent public spending announcements by federal and state governments. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:27.120 Are you saying they're wrong. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.640 Yeah, that's very different. That's very different from the way 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:36.720 that you characterized it, Peter. Inflation has a range of 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:41.799 aspects and that's why we've made sure we agree that 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.280 inflation needs to be further moderated. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.720 And by the way, Pete Stefanovic did a better job 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.400 than any other journalist who interviewed the PM this morning 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:52.440 and he did the rounds. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:53.840 But as you saw. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:58.320 There, Albanezy denied government spending was pushing up inflation and 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.520 claimed it wasn't what the RBA had said. Let's just 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.600 have a look at that specific lie, because it is 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:05.040 a lie. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:05.680 Again. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.760 Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.079 spending federal and state budgets. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.200 Well, that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.800 In fact, it was exactly what the RBA had said, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.160 both in written and verbal statements, but it got worse. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.600 Economists and media outlets are concerned about the clash in 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.520 views between the RBA and Treasury that monetary and fiscal 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.440 policy may not be working in tandem. The finn Review 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.080 today reported on a split between the RBA and the 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.680 Albanese government over the economic outlook after Treasurer Jim Chalmers 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.800 on Wednesday disputed the Central Bank's assessment that the economy 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:55.040 was still operating at an unsustainable pace, and The Australian's 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.080 front page headline today is Treasurer's RBA brawl. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:01.560 On the growing. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:06.040 Divide between Jim Charmers and the Reserve Bank. We've been 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.000 speaking about the RBA's criticism of government spending over the 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.119 past two nights, Yet the Prime Minister had the hide 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.400 to insist there was no divergence between the RBA and 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:19.160 his government. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.280 But the other thing we've done that is so important 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.280 is we've made sure fiscal policy. Budget policy works arm 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.480 in arm with monetary Well, that's. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:34.240 Not working at all because the RBA and Treasury are 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.120 brawling at the moment. That's not true, Peter, Well, you're 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.320 saying completely different. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.960 Inflation. No, we're no, we're not. We're saying that inflation 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.039 needs to continue to moderate and we're saying that we 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.040 are working towards that. That's why we're producing two budget surfaces. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.240 But just hours after the Prime Minister's denial, he's newly 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.640 installed RBA governor gave a lecture in Armadale today where 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.920 she reiterated that inflation was persistent as she may have 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.480 to raise rates yet again, they've already been forty in 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.520 rate rises as you know, in the past two years. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.159 It also noted that the growth of demand looks like 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.200 it'll pick up over the rest of the year, although 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.880 I have to say here there's considerable uncertainty. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.040 About the outlook. It's very uncertain. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.920 The effect of this is that the board's expectations when 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.280 inflation will come back to the toroercent target range has 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.120 been pushed out, and we don't expect we'll get there 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.240 now until the end of twenty twenty five, so that's 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.599 over a year away. And this is why the Board 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.560 explicitly considered whether another interest rate rise was required to 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.400 ensure that inflation continues to decline in a reasonable time frame. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.359 Pretty strong comments there. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.719 Then there's a conflict too between alb and Easy and 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:00.840 the RBA over whether the energy subsidies are reducing inflat Well, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.200 Albert Easy insisted today the energy relief was lowering inflation. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.520 Have a look, we're making sure that they're getting that 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.520 cost of living relief, but we're doing it in a 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.400 way so it's designed to put that downward pressure on 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.480 inflation at the same time. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.440 Again, another point RBA doesn't agree with. They're senior economist 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.640 Sarah Hunter said just yesterday that the temporary energy rebates 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.920 would not ultimately reduce underlying inflation. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.800 So what the border are considering and trying to achieve, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.240 is inflation sustainably back at the target in terms of 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.040 being a sustained return to target. That's not something that 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.480 we can see coming from those particular policies because they 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.520 are only legislated for one year, so that by their 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.880 sort of nature time limited and temporary. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.320 And that sentiment was also reflected by the Reserve Bank's 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.480 own monetary policy statement, and i'll read it to you now. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.880 They say headline inflation is expected to moderate temporarily in 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.040 the near term, owing primarily to one off measures, including 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:12.200 those providing cost of living to households. However, headline inflation 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.440 is then expected to increase as energy rebates and as 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.119 currently legislated, before moving in line with underlying inflation once 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:25.720 these temporary effects have passed, and you can see in 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.640 their figures that headline inflation does tick up back up 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.840 to three point seven percent when those measures end, the 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.400 subsidies end. Now our position leader Peter Dutton seized on 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.800 this conflict today when he gave his press conference in Darwin. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.760 Anthony Albernezi had a train wreck interview this morning on 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.360 Sky News. It's clear to me that he doesn't understand 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.840 the basic economic principles, and you've now got a war 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.600 between the Albanesi government and the Reserve Bank governor. I 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.880 don't know who I would back in that war. It 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.080 would be the expert in the Reserve Bank governor. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.560 Now, none of this is good for Australia, is economic Outlook. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.000 You want the government and the RBA working hand in 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:09.800 hand to bring down inflation, not having this public clash 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.920 over direction. There's no point having the RBA take money 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.800 out of the economy only for federal and state governments 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.880 to inject money back into. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.520 It just to win votes. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.640 And the Prime Minister yet again today announced another policy 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:29.240 to give childcare workers and extra one hundred dollars each 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.640 more money in people's pockets. Inflation is keeping our interest 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.320 rates high and cost of living high, and the least 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.240 that state and federal governments can do is stop the 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:48.560 cash splash. All right, To discuss this further, let's bring 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.000 in tonight's paddle Perth Mayre Basil Zemplus and Sky News 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.120 host Caleb Bond. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.400 Great to see you both, Basil, What do you think 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:56.720 I mean? 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:01.320 Clearly there has been a difference in statements coming from 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.040 the government and the RBA this week, as we've just 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.360 outlined both in terms of where the government spending is 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.040 contributing to inflation and just how much those energy subsidies 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:13.360 are going to move the needle. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.000 Well, there's no doubt about that. I mean, we've seen 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:22.560 it presented with classic definition for us tonight. They are 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.839 not on the same page. I've got to say also 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.800 as an aside, sometimes it's careful what you wish. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:27.200 For, isn't it. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.040 This new era of allowing the Reserve Bank of Australia, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.160 the Governor and other board members to have their say 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.480 and speak more often, sometimes it's a little bit counterproductive 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.240 to what you might be hoping to achieve. But I quote, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.280 the Reserve Bank of Australia have said they're looking for 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:48.079 softer growth in government spending before it could cut interest rates. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.640 They're black and white statements there, they are. So I'm 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.480 not sure how the Prime Minister can dispute the fact 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.640 that they are not on the same page at the moment. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:57.760 They clearly are not. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.760 And look, Chris Richardson through the figures with me yesterday. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.320 I brought them to you last night. An extra ten 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.280 billion from the federal government, an extra twelve billion from 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.520 state governments, and then you add in the stage three 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.880 tax cuts, and he says that amounts to an extra 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.400 forty six billion dollars in the economy this financial year alone, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.240 which is just under two percent of the national account. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:22.600 Kale. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.640 Yeah, And it's a tricky line for a government to 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.000 walk because of course they want to be seen to 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.040 be providing some level of relief for cost of living, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:32.880 and they will be slammed if they don't do that. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.839 But on the other hand, every dollar that you give 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.880 to a person to spend adds to the problem of inflation, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.920 which worsens the cost of living. So do you actually 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.960 end up in front in the first place? And the 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.320 statements of both the Prime Minister and the Treasurer are 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:52.240 utterly duplicitous if you read into what Charmers has said. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.600 The Treasurer, Doctor Jim Charmers saying rebuking the RBA, essentially saying, well, look, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.360 I mean, no one's got any spear cash in their 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.400 pocket right now. And sure most people don't have any 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.240 spare cash in their pocket right now, but that's because 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.839 they've had to spend the extra money that they've been given, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.520 because the essentials have continued to go up. You look 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.440 at the inflation numbers that came out from the last quarter, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:22.240 and discretionary spending has gone down. Inflation has reduced on 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.160 discretionary spending, but it is essentials like fuel and electricity 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.320 and food that have continued to go up. So you 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.320 don't have spare cash in your pocket because you've had 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.400 to meet those extra costs. And what causes all of 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.960 that supply and demand, as the RBA says, and why 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.280 do we have supply and demand issues because we've had 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.720 record migration, not enough housing, not enough schools, not enough 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.600 places for people to go. Oh, these are all things 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.200 that are in the government's control. But they say no, no, no, no, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.959 because we've given you cost of livering relief. There's nothing 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.520 to worry about here. They're trying to have their cake 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:59.320 and eat it too. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.880 And of course low productivity is also an issue which 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.400 the IRBA has highlighted this week that also is in 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.440 the government's control of it, but nothing's. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.000 Been done on it yet. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.800 And I think it's worth pointing out when we have 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:15.000 this discussion that elsewhere the United States, for instance, they 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.160 are looking at lowering intrast rates comes September at least 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.600 by November, but it looks like probably September. So other 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.200 places around the world are moving now to cut rates, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.040 although it is worth noting they are higher. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:29.360 The US is interest rate is. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.600 Five point five percent hours obviously four point three five percent. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.800 But still they're going to move in that direction long 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.280 before we are. I mean, we're not going to be. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.520 Looking at rate cuts at least in the next six months, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.079 potentially longer. Now, let's have a look at this tone 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.000 deaf joke that has landed the Prime Minister in hot 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.000 water today. Look, he's done a social media post of 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.480 a mocked up album cover. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.200 I assume this is him. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.319 Joking about the fact that he's known as DJ Albow Basil. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.200 He's been criticized for this post. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.640 People have that it makes light of families who are 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:03.920 seriously struggling. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.000 What do you think. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.200 They're certainly trying to take a little praise prematurely. And 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.800 one thing we all know, everybody hates people. Patting themselves 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.440 on the back in our community is never welcome. But 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.920 we even hate it more when politicians pat themselves on 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:26.000 the back. Get the job done, let others sing your praises. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.000 Demonstrate a track record of proven success in this area 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.679 and the fanfare will take care of itself. I don't 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.040 mind the attempts at humor or a little bit of lightheartedness, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.840 but I don't think this one works, not so much, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.600 poor taste. It just missed the mark. It's not what's 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.760 required at the moment, and it shows that they're misfiring 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.119 in this area completely. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.520 Also a CD cover. I mean, no one play CDs anymore. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.559 I know what Phil have on my c it is 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:54.360 I just can't play. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.319 I'm exactly the same I was going to say. I mean, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.040 it's really emblematic of what all of this means. The 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.040 fact that he's used a CD covered. I mean, so 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.239 fresh was sort of the sounds of my childhood. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:10.880 But well, you hang on, Shary, hang around when they're wory. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.640 Hang on, Sharry. That's a low blow. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:13.520 That is a low blow. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.760 I mean, you're younger than me, You're only twenty one, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.600 so come on. But it is so emblematic of what 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.240 all of this actually means. Because he's using a CD cover, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.240 which is a CD You've been just about as useful 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.680 as all of the measures that he's talking about on 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.160 the front of that CD cover. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.880 Good analogy, well, and even worse than that. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.800 Actually, Cayleb makes a fair point. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.400 The last time we were all. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.200 Listening to CDs was around about the time when interest 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.200 rates were at eighteen or nineteen percent. So they're taking 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.440 us to a place where we don't want to actually 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:45.800 be reminded. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.360 Of good point. Good point. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:48.040 Well. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.960 Peter Dardan also criticized the PM today after another four 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.840 fishing boats were intercepted off Way's coast on Tuesday. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.080 Have look, well, it's the. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.040 Case because Anthony Albanuzi money out of aerial surveillance and 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.840 maritime surveillance, and if you take those resources away, the 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.000 people smugglers and those who are involved in illegal fishing 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:13.120 and other activities including running of drugs, et cetera, they 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.320 just run right bozo. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.560 What do you think do you think this criticism is fair, 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:22.440 that this is a result of Labour's reduction, as Peter 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.560 Duttan says, in maritime and aerial surveillance. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.560 Well, you can only go on what we have before 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.800 us to consider, and we know absolutely that there have 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.880 been more boats appearing, there have been more boats getting 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.760 into Australian waters. There's been more reports of exactly this 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.400 sort of thing, illegal fishing boats and others making their 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.560 way into Australian waters, and rightly or wrongly, there is 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.000 clearly a perception issue that exists around the labor government 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.000 that they are softer on these things, and it appears 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.160 to people smugglers and others are prepared to take a 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.120 chance because of the reputation and the exact that softening 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.320 that we've seen, and they can't get away from that. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.320 It's fact that is what happens when we have had 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.000 labor governments in recent times. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.320 And here it is again. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.440 Interesting piece in the fin Review today it looked at 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.760 the booming growth of TikTok in Australia, so the social 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.240 media app that none of us who would be watching 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.360 me tonight, none of us are actually on this app, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.920 but it's in the news all the time, but it's 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.960 booming and the Australia compared to in the US, where 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.440 Congress is considering banning the Chinese owned platform. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:32.640 The fin Review. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.000 Reports that TikTok reported a net profit after tax of 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:41.120 eleven point four million last year and it certainly they 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.480 say that it is going to be advertising another one 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.240 hundred and twenty six jobs, one hundred and twenty six jobs. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.040 I mean, Caleb, we. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.360 Could only I mean, it would be unheard of for 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:57.360 any media organizations here to be. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:57.920 Hiring another one hundred and twenty six people. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:04.359 TikTok thrives on miss information, disinformation, you know, mindless content, 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.639 and they're booming well. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:07.879 I mean, the best we could hope for was one 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.640 hundred and twenty six trained monkeys. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:10.960 It's at about a dollar an hour. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.679 But the problem with all of this, of course, and 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.560 you look at the US where they have threatened TikTok 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.760 basically that they have to divest their Chinese parent company, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.120 bike Dance has to divest if they want to keep 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.879 operating in the US, And we should be doing exactly 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.160 the same thing here because we know that it's essentially 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:33.000 Chinese spy where it rots the brains of Western children. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.639 And I'm convinced that it is designed to do exactly that, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.480 because if you look at the version that's offered to 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.200 children in China, you know it shows them science experiments, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.440 latics equations. It's time limited to forty minutes a day, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.080 so you can't just keep scrolling. Of course, you can 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.919 get a Western kid, Australian, US UK kid to go 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.040 on TikTok and they're just looking at nonsense. And it 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.359 goes on and on and on and on and on 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:56.360 all day scrolling. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.159 I was even reading an interview that one of the 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.880 gold medal Gold Medal Olympia Gabe, and they said what. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:02.600 Do you do to relax? 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.080 And she says, I lie in my bed and scroll 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.320 through TikTok and the hours and. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.360 This is the thing, because once you get going, it's 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.320 so hard to stop. And China knows that right, And 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.960 you'd be stupid to think that China, being the expansionist 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.080 regime that it is, the CCP, would not be using 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.399 a product such as TikTok to try and destroy the 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.440 brains of Western people. It's exactly how they operate, and 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.399 we let them do it. We've got politicians using it 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.480 because of course they want to be where the kids are. 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.800 But they've got to take a look at this is 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.959 bad for our country. It has to go. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.479 And they deliberately have extreme content and content that's going 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.640 to see division in Western democracies. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.119 Balzo, I actually want to ask you about something else. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.919 Peter Darton has just been in wa for five days. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.760 Wa is lost well, the Liberal Party lost many seats 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.160 to Labor the last election. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:57.800 How do you think he's. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.480 Going in terms of trying to claw back those seats 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.040 ahead of the next election, which we assume will be 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:05.560 in the first quarter of next year. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.200 I would say that with each visit to Western Australia 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:14.080 he is more he endears himself more to the West 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.160 Australian public. I think we've made this point previously. Peter 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.560 Dutton is not trying to win a popularity contest. He 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.840 is trying to win an election and he's always going 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.159 to do it in the Peter Dutton way. That is 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:32.400 going to be with policy direction, clarity and a forceful 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.320 personality that he will deliver what he says he is 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.760 going to deliver. So I think on each visit, on 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.240 each occasion that he comes here, he further enhances that 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.240 reputation and further endears himself to the West Australian public. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.879 It is clear WA is going to be critical. The 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.240 job is not done yet. He's going to need to 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.040 come back a few more times yet, but he is 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:57.600 working hard and I think with each visit that window opens. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.159 I can say this and I don't say it with 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.399 the blue hat that I wear in the state scene now, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.040 although I understand people might suggest that I do, but 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.520 there is no doubt that the federal Labor government at 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.680 the moment is right off the popularity that saw them 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.679 elected at the last federal election. So the door is 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.000 open for Dutton to be able to go through the 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.199 challenges he's now to be able to do that, but 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:23.800 he's making in roads definitely. 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.639 Yeah, very interesting. All right, Basil Zempler's great to see you, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.040 and Caleb. We'll see you back here at ten o'clock tonight. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:29.520 Cheers. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.960 Now, another big story in the news this week is 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.240 nuclear energy. As you know, Peter Dutton has put nuclear 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:38.280 squarely on the. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:39.840 Table ahead of the next election. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.560 And while more and more Australians are open to adding 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.920 nuclear to the energy mix, state governments are not. And 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.959 we've just been speaking about Wa well, WA's mining minister 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:55.040 is refusing to change their policy on uranium despite the 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.040 cause from the Coalition to lift the prohibition on nuclear. 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.960 WA Minds Minister David Michael says the state's future energy needs. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:05.840 Will be met by renewables. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:11.240 No problem here to discusses National's leader David Little Proud David, good. 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:11.840 To see you again. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.440 Look where does this leave the coalition's signature energy policy. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.560 If the states like Wa won't lift their bands on 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.280 uranium well. 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.080 As a last resort we would have to use federal powers, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.000 but we don't want to do that. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:29.439 We're going to the Australian people. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.480 Peter Dutton and I will go to the Australian people 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.920 with a clear plan not to put all our energy 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.080 eggs in one basket, to have concentration risk that won't 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.840 underpin our economy. There's no industrial scale country of our 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.560 size in the world that's going in all renewables approach. 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:44.400 So we will. 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.560 Transition some of our coal to nuclear with gas as 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.280 well as some renewables. But what we want is leadership. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:52.639 We're going to be upfront and on us with the 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.600 Australian people. If we get that manddate, they expect the 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.560 Australian people expect that their politicians actually respect that mandate 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.120 and show the leadership that we're showing and get out 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.199 of our own and work constructively and make sure that 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.920 we facilitate this transition in an orderly way. And that's 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.840 what Peter Dutton I'll be asking the Australian people to determine. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.800 If we get that mandate. We expect the states and 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.919 matter that political persuasion to work with this and to 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:17.440 get on with. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.480 The job that we will have been elected to do. 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:21.320 So. 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.760 If you did win the next election the States still 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.280 refused to lift the prohibitions on nuclear you're saying you 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:33.120 would use federal powers to what forced them to overturn 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:33.639 the bands. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.359 How would that work in reality? 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.040 Well, obviously the first instance will be to work with 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.280 those states and we'll be talking about starting two the 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:48.200 nuclear power plants immediately, going to seven over the period 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:49.440 up until twenty fifty. 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.400 We made that very clear. We want to work constructively, 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.560 but we will utilize every federal power we have. 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.080 If there is roadblocks put in front of us. No 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:03.080 one should underestimate and Peter Dutton's determination to make sure 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.800 that Australia is not left behind and we remove ourselves 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.119 from this reckless race of an all renewables approach that will. 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:10.880 Destroy this contract. 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:12.600 We are going to be upfront and honest to this 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:13.200 stray people. 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:14.440 How would that work? 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:14.720 Well? 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.240 Obviously do you have. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.960 Well? And those are things that obviously we're working through 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.360 in making sure that if we have to utilize those 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.240 those federal powers and there are, There are a number 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.440 of them that we would utilize if necessary. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.800 But I don't think the Australian people want. 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:38.320 Us to have a fight with the States after they've 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.679 clearly given a direction not just to us, but to 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:45.560 every to every state and territory in this country to 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.480 get on with the job. That's what elections about, that's 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.000 what this beautiful thing called democracy is about. 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.000 And we don't want to pick a fight. But what 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.320 we're saying is, you are people. 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.960 Gives working through that process of if the States refuse, 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:03.000 and you know, you could easily foresee a situation where 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:04.760 at least one, if not two or three of the 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.920 state governments refuse to lift the ban, so you are 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.240 currently working through what options you have to force them 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:11.560 to do. 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:16.240 That as a last resort. No one should underestimate our 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.560 determination to achieve this. But I think what the Australian 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.960 people want is leadership. They want strong leadership, and aton little, 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.080 proud government will give that strong leadership. We're going to 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.080 look Australians in the eye now, We're going to tell 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.320 them what we're going to do, how are we going 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:30.840 to do it, and we expect the country to unite 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:32.840 behind that and get on with the job to back 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.560 ourselves as a country and do what we should do 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.800 to set this up for generations to come. That's why 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.720 I'm in politics, and that's the legacy I want to 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.040 leave for my children and why I get grandchildren. Not 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.320 a legacy of renewables that last for fifteen years, but 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.600 something will last for eighty to one hundred years. That's 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.160 the common sense that the Nationals are going to stand 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.200 behind and make sure that the next selection the Australian 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.120 people get a choice to vote for. 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.240 All right, David Little Proud, Leader of the Nationals, thank 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.600 you very much for time now. Coming up after the 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:07.000 break shea chaos in the UK. Five hundred extra prison 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:08.200 spots are freed. 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.000 Up as violence escalates. 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.760 The brilliant Brendan O'Neil will join me next plus, a 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.240 former head of Israeli intelligence will be on the show 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.520 live and we're going to hear his insights as Israel 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.520 prepares for a devastating strike by Iran. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:27.120 Welcome back well. 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:31.520 Hesbalah is reportedly poised to attack Israel in the coming days. 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:36.199 This according to US intelligence. The Lebanese terrorist group is 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:41.119 moving faster, apparently in its preparations than Iran, with an 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.680 attack from them expected to be sooner and harder than 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:48.600 anything from Tehran. But a strike from either Iran or 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.360 Hesbelah could happen with no notice. 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:52.840 Well to discuss this. 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.200 I'm thrilled to welcome to the program Major General Amos Yadlin. 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:02.080 He's the former head of IDF Intelligence direct and current President. 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.040 Of MIND Israel. 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.520 Thank you very much for joining us this evening, really appreciated. Look, 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.080 Israel is bracing for strikes, as I just said, by 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.879 Iran and Hezbollah. What can we expect and how do 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.359 you think their approaches will differ. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:24.520 I think both of them are trying to attack Israel 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:30.800 in their way as a retaliation and trying to establish 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:39.399 some the terrans after Israel basically retaliated and attacked the 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:48.880 chief military terrorists under Marsuala and Israel is alleged never 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:54.520 took responsibility. But the Iranians are thinking that Raniah was 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:59.840 the head of the Tel organization Haramas was assassinated in terror, 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:05.440 so Isael is ready the good news. I think that 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.040 all three parties don't want to go to a full 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:14.960 scale war. It's a very fine formula of operation that 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:20.399 want to establish the terrence to do some retaliation without 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:27.000 going that high that will will escalate to a full 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:27.560 scale war. 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.080 Look, it's good to hear you say that. 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.560 We have been reading reports though that there are concerns 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.520 the attack could be devastating and could be very destructive, 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:43.240 including in some of Israel's biggest cities. Are you confident 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.879 that Israeli's defense systems, including the Iron Dome, will be 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.280 able to protect citizens? So do you think the scale 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.960 of an attack could be so large that it could 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:54.680 overwhelm these systems. 0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:00.640 I don't see them doing a large scale attack as 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:06.040 it was in April from Iran and towards Tel Aviv, 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:11.800 as that was never exercised in the last ten months 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.920 that riz Bala started the war with Israel, I see 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:21.280 them doing something that in the middle by the way, 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:29.879 Iran is cooling down. They saw the American fleet that 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:34.399 came to help Israel. They understood that Ania was not 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:41.720 targeted from Israel by a missile or by any violation 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.360 of an Iranian airspace, So they'll not have the right 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:50.600 to do an attack on Israel with missiles. And I 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:55.160 think the new president basically understand that there will be 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.520 an Israeli reaction, and he don't want to start his 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:07.240 term basically caring about the Iranian economy and paying attention 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:12.520 to what happened in Yemen. In Hudaida thought, So, I 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:16.360 see the Iranians looking for different kind of attack, not 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:22.920 overwhelming missile attack. He's Balo on the other hand, he's 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:27.080 Balo on the other hand, it's going to attack as well. 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:32.480 But I do have a lot of confidence in the defensive. 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:37.160 It's not only the iron, it's three layers of arrow 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:42.320 David sling and iron doo and another foce, which is 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.680 the Isueli air force that can stop some of their 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:51.200 drones and rose missiles. And they know exactly that Israel 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:55.840 will not stay in the defense. Israel will react, maybe simultaneously, 0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:00.600 maybe after seeing the results. So I think are also 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:05.560 scaling down the level of attacks that's a plan to 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.320 do against is Yeah. 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.280 Well, it seems like the if that's the case, the 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.200 retaliation strikes and attacks will continue. 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.920 I don't see where an end is in sight. Major General. 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.440 I'm interested to hear your thoughts just before you go 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.320 on the recent assassination of the Hamas chief Honeyea. 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:23.760 That you refer to in Tehran. 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.960 It's been reported but not confirmed, that a bomb was 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.320 snuck into his bedroom and then at a later time, 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.960 early in the morning Tehran time, it was remotely detonated. 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:39.440 We presume this was masade. We don't know how impressive. 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:43.520 I mean, you were former IDF intelligence chief, So how 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.760 impressive was this strike at his home in Iran to 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.160 have to physically go in there in Tehran plant a 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:52.480 bomb undetected. 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.320 I don't know who've done it, but whoever done this 0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:05.360 operation demonstrated a very high level of intelligence, a very 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:11.040 high level of planning, and a very high level of 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:17.200 being able to penetrate a site that belonged to the IRGC. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:26.600 So as I said, in the last months, Israel demonstrated 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:35.480 some of its capabilities. And the terrence that was highly 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.440 destroyed is really the terrence on the seventh of October 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.640 is now getting back some of its value. If you 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.800 once again go to the port in Judada to the 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:53.000 head of the military part of Rizbala, I don't know 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.600 whether an EA is included, but for sure death is included. 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:03.400 Death is the head the head of Rama's terrorist organization 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.720 in Gaza in the military site. So the two main 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.920 forms Gaza and liberon the heads. The chief of stuffs 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.960 of these tele organizations are gone, and this is the time, 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:21.200 by the way, to go into a hostages deal from 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:27.000 a position of powerm after some achievement and basically to 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.280 cool down the Middle East. 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:31.440 Yeah, very good points. 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.040 Look, I really appreciated your insights, Major General, and we 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.360 look forward to having you back on the program on 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:38.200 another occasion. 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:39.120 Thank you very much. 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.240 Well, let's turn to the United Kingdom now, which thankfully 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:46.440 had a reprieve overnight from the violent riots that have 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:47.520 rocked Britain. 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:48.200 Over the past week. 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.800 According to the latest YUGA of polling, half of people 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.959 think Kirstarma has handled the riots poorly. 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.000 Here he was just yesterday. 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.480 Over four hundred people now have been arrested. One hundred 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.840 are being charged, some in relation to online activity, and 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:08.960 a number of them are already in court and I'm 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:13.280 now expecting substantive sentencing before the end of this week. 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.560 But the message has to go to those who are 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:19.760 involving themselves in this disorder, which is you're wrong, you 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.280 shouldn't be doing it. You were the full force of 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.480 the law, as I hope we're being able to demonstrate 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.000 with these swift prosecutions. 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:27.719 Right, let's bring it now. 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.160 One of my favorite guests, Spiked Online chief political reporter 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:35.040 Brendan O'Neill in Lnedon, terrific to see you again, Brendan. Look, 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.200 how have these riots spiraled so quickly? And can you 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:44.080 tell me about this underlying friction clearly in UK society. 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.040 Yeah, the riots are awful, absolutely dreadful. They have been. 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.040 They have caused a lot of destruction, a lot of injury. 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.960 We've seen mosques being attacked, We've seen hotels housing immigrants 0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.000 being attacked. This is really nasty stuff and it really 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.720 blew up for about four or five days. It seems 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.160 to be fizzling out now. But you know, there is 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:09.280 a reluctance from Keer Starmer downwards throughout the political class 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.840 and the media class to talk about any potential causes 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.160 of these frictions, any potential causes of these tensions in 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.960 this violence. My view is that I don't even think 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.880 these are race rights. I think they are identity riots. 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.040 I think these are the grim wages of the politics 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.640 of identity, when you live under a political system that 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:33.359 continually reduces people to their racial characteristics, which divides people 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.080 according to whether they are supposedly privileged or supposedly oppressed, 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:42.200 which depicts Britain as an institutionally racist or Islamophobic country. 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.759 When you have government, actors and activist class and the 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.799 media set which are constantly pushing these divisive messages, I 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.080 don't think we can be surprised when divisions actually explode 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.920 into violence. So we have to look at ourselves as 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.880 a society and ask how this kind of violence could happen. 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:03.120 Yeah, the cause social cohesion is breaking down in cities 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.360 around the world. Brendan, you were in Australia recently, we 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.919 caught up you witnessed the insane anti semitism that we've 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.680 got here. Well, just overnight and I'm going to play 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.279 you everyone at home the footage from this after the 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:21.759 break But overnight University of Sydney's students demanded that other 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:26.520 students support the Palestinian right to armed resistance. That's how 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.799 they put it. That is basically terrorism. How have we 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.880 deteriorated do you think so extensively as a society that 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.560 educated university students who are woke in every other aspect 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:43.600 of life are now supporting terrorism and violence. 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.560 Yeah, you know, it's terrifying, and I think it's even 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:52.080 worse than that. I think clearly, as you say, they 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.640 have expressed support for what is fundamentally terrorism, but they've 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.719 expressed support for armies of anti Semites. Because if you 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.400 are voting to support the Palestinian right to armed resistance, 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.600 as they refer to it, just nine months after her 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.439 mass carried out the worst slaughter of Jewish people since 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.800 the Holocaust, then you are giving your support to violent 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.080 actions like that. So these are people who pose as 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.960 anti fascists, who pose as anti racist, and yet they 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.000 have been either blase or actively supportive of the worst 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.200 act of racist violence of this century so far. So 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.200 they are hypocrites. And I would say there are a 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.560 lot of racists in their ranks as well. And you're right. 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:36.480 Universities across the West have become hotbeds of due hatred 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.279 since the seventh of October pogrom, you know, on those 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.840 so called gaza encampments on American universities, we saw people 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.080 referring to Israel as the pigs of the earth. We 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.760 saw Jewish people being told to go back to Poland 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.719 a swashticker was painted on one university campus. We've seen 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.680 similar developments in Britain, and of course on all the 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.760 protests which a lot of students are involved in, people 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.240 have openly praised her Mass, They've openly praised the Whufies, 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.200 They've openly praised movements that are devoted to the murder 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.920 of Jewish people. So I think the problem here, especially 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.319 on campuses, is that we have educated young people to 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.080 turn against their own civilization. We've educated them to be 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.440 anti Western and what we're faced with Middle East right 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.120 now is a battle between civilization as represented by Israel 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.960 and barbarism as represented by her Mass and its other allies. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.719 So it's not surprising, even though it's deeply shocking, that 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:36.880 our young people, who we've turned against civilization have taken 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.240 the side of barbarism in this conflict. 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:43.080 So smart Brennan ONEO really appreciate you coming on the show. 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.920 Thank you very much. Now after the break we're going 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.600 to have more on that story. And the female student 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.920 who took on a mob of her Mass loving students 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.600 at the University of Sydney last night. She waived the 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.000 Israeli flag and oh she's not Jewish, She's going to 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:57.920 join me life. 0:37:58.200 --> 0:37:59.640 Plus it's been a bad day. 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:03.000 For Alan Joys who lost nearly ten million dollars. 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:09.439 That's all coming up next. Welcome back. 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.239 Well, let's go to these utterly outrageous scenes at the 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.840 University of Sydney last night where the Student Representative Council 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.879 put forward motions where they called for three things. One 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.840 to cut ties with apartheid Israel, secondly to scrap the 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:30.000 Camper's access policy and lastly affirm a one state solution 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:35.239 and Palestinian's right to armed resistance. Well, two motions were 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:39.400 passed at the meeting, supported by an overwhelming majority, and 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.799 they were to cut ties with genocide and Gaza, and 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:47.360 the second to support a one Palestinian state, no Israel, 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.319 and the right to armed resistance. In the preamble, the 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:55.000 students also argue that there should be no expulsions or 0:38:55.040 --> 0:39:01.160 suspensions of students who endorse terrorism. So this is what 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:06.359 we're actually speaking about here, supporting Palestinian's right to armed resistance, 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.759 that is, supporting their right to terrorism. 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.400 And that's what happened on October seven. 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:17.400 When entire families were slaughtered a massacre where hundreds of 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.760 young people were gunned down at a music festival. 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.760 Is this seriously what these. 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:30.959 Dumb students at the University of Sydney support. Apparently so now, 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:35.320 a non Jewish but pro Israel student moved an amendment 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.880 to condemn the Hamas October seven attacks. You won't be 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:44.600 surprised to hear it was overwhelmingly defeated. I've seen the videos, 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.400 the crowds shouting, we don't give an f and free, 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:52.680 free Palestine. They won't condemn the October seven attacks. Literally, 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.880 pregnant women had their babies cut out of their stomachs. 0:39:55.920 --> 0:40:02.800 Babies and children were killed, women were raped. Jewish students 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.920 said they faced hostility. They found it very distressing that 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.680 their fellow students wouldn't even condemn the terror attacks. Make 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:16.800 no mistake, this is extreme anti Semitism. Well, student frail 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.480 each spoke extremely well. 0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.759 In front of the hostile crowd. Have a look. The 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:23.680 mass is. 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:28.160 A brutal jihadis friggi. You cannot say you stand for 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:33.160 women and not condemn the rape of Israeli women. You 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:37.720 cannot say you support queer people and not condemned her mask. 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:42.719 Who takes a Sharia is laming you available. I suggest 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:44.040 that should be thrown off. 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:48.240 Till now, our lawyers blurred that footage. 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.839 I don't know why it's but if you want go 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.080 check it all out on Twitter now. The Wentworth MP 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:57.600 Alegras Spender released a statement saying she was appalled to 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.480 see young Jewish students treated with disrespect when they explained 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.960 the facts about her muss Allegra. Spender said last night's 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:08.120 motion excuses the actions of her musk and was passed 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:11.960 without meaningful debate. No thoughtful person who considers the facts 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:16.200 could support such a motion. And then after that meeting, 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.000 the pro Palestinian students then stormed the University of Sydney's 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:24.400 administration building where Vice Chancellor Mark Scott has his office. 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:28.400 I've spoken to academics and students today. They are devastated. 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.879 It was a disgusting display of anti Semitism and we've 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.680 seen basically no leadership from the University of Sydney. In 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.680 my view, the university has to shut this down. The 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:44.239 only way they can do that is by suspending any 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:48.680 student who voted to support terrorism, because thou would send 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:53.000 a message that these aren't Australian values of tolerance and 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:57.759 empathy and inclusiveness. Or I'm pleased to say that that 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.000 University of Sydney student that you saw standing up there 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.719 and taking on that horrible mob. 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:04.839 Freyer leitch Well. 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:09.560 She joins me now in studio along with commentator Jason Morrison. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.400 Welcome to Freyer. I have to say I feel like 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.120 starting by applauding. 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.080 You, because that took so much courage to stand up 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.040 there in front of all of those students who are 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:20.640 heckling you. 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.000 And you're not Jewish, but you. 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.920 Stood up for Israel's right to exist. You stood up 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.360 for the victims of terrorism. 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.400 Tell me what happened last night and how you felt. 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.200 I knew it was going to be crazy when I 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.440 saw the motions that were published. I knew this was 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:41.080 going to be totally just full of anti Semitism. But 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.160 even I was shocked. And I've been to a lot 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.439 of these student politics meetings. The facts that we put 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:50.640 up an amendment to condemn Hermas and condemn October seven, 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.800 and that amendment was voted down by about eight hundred 0:42:55.040 --> 0:43:00.920 to eight says it. All these people are openly supporting terrorism. 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:05.560 They've dehumanized Jewish people and Israeli people to such a 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:09.080 point where they cannot even condemn rape, they cannot condemn 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:13.480 burning people alive. They cannot condemn kidnapping. I am so 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:18.799 distressed at the state of my generation and this university, 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.560 and the fact that I guarantee these students will be 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.520 back in class on Monday. Nothing will happen, there will 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:28.440 be no repercussions, and they will continue to go on 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:35.240 just luring these poor first year students into crazy radical socialists, 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:40.600 pro Palestine clubs and societies, and over time anti Semitism 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.160 will become the new normal at our university already has, Yeah, 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.200 it already has. And what's so scary is our leaders. 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.880 A lot of them have actually started as Sydney University students. 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.839 We know Albo was once one of these pro Palestinian 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.640 activists at Sydney UNI. It is terrifying to think that 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:02.440 these kids who cannot condemn terrorism could potentially go on 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:03.880 to be leaders of this country. 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:08.920 I can't tell you how incredible, brave, courageous and articulate, 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.799 articulate you are. We are just so lucky to have 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.960 had you standing up there speaking last night. Jason, how 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.560 do you think Mark Scott needs to handle this well? 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.920 Mark Scott needs to stand up for once, not to 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:23.440 be sitting in the corner and avoiding this issue and 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:28.239 putting out statements to diffuse tensions, because it's not about tensions, 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.920 it's about a boring attitude that the university seems to 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:34.239 be able to look by. I don't think these kids 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.359 will end up being leaders. They'll end up being Green's staffers. 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:41.239 And that, unfortunately, is the sick part of all of this, 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:44.440 is that they think they're in the mainstream with these views. 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.000 They are so over in the kooky left with some 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.640 dangerous thinking. And look, it's a shame actually that the 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.840 lawyers blurred that vision, because what the vision shows is 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:57.920 you're talking about fair dikham things that are happening in 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.680 the Middle East, like people being killed for their sexuality, 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.719 women being attacked because they're women speaking out. You're talking 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.200 about things that actually do go on and are part 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:09.439 of sharia law. 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.759 And these half wits are giggling and laughing. They think 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:13.400 it's funny. 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.600 You're talking about rape going on inside the attacks that happened, 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.080 and they're laughing at this like it's not real. 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:21.520 Look, they're not right. 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.960 I have no problem with people being pro Palestinian and 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:27.200 disagreeing with the Israeli government. 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.440 That's free speech. That's perfectly fine. 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:34.160 But what we saw last night was an endorsement of terrorism, 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:40.160 endorsing Palestinian's right to armed resistance and refusing to condemn 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:41.040 the terror attacks. 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:42.239 That's what's so concerning. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.400 And I was in Israel in May. I went to 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.239 the site of the Nova Music Festival massacre. I went 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:52.160 to Kibbutzbery. I spoke with a woman whose son and 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:53.839 nephew were murdered. 0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:54.400 On October seven. 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:57.080 She has another nephew that is still being held hostage 0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:00.719 in Gaza to this very day. That is what resistance 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:05.160 looks like. I wonder if these kids realize that's exactly 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:06.000 what they're supporting. 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:07.279 I mean, how do you. 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:11.960 Go from having you know, woke inclinations in any other 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.839 respective life and then suddenly you support terrorism because it's 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:15.560 against Jews. 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:16.040 Yeah. 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:21.480 I think the failure at the university is the failure 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:23.560 to speak it as it is, as you are here 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.439 tonight and as you did in front of that room, 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.239 is that there are too many people, too many academics, 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:33.000 and they want to hide behind, you know, an academic argument, 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.000 but it's straight out you hatred, and it seems to 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.319 be something that they're comfortable with being a part of 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.880 in these enlightened, tolerant halls of universities, that there are 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.399 actually people who seem to think that's an acceptable thing 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.560 to find a group of people and just hate them 0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.640 because of what they are, and to be able to 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.440 look past the violence and the horizontal It's been there 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.520 for too long, and it started with this little tent 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:57.200 game that happened out there for far too long, Mark Scott. 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.239 He continues to fail upwards and this seems to be 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.280 what happens with this don I don't get. 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:03.239 It getting dangerous now. 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.279 Jason Morrison Freileitch, thank you so much both of you 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:07.920 for your to I think we're going to take a 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:15.160 quick break and then we'll be back with MOK. Let's 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:19.000 bring in now Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge. 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.360 Michael, great to see you. 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.279 Look, let's look at this story that broke last night 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.279 on Channel seven that there are concerns that Papua New 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.719 Guinea could sell its power grid to China, or at 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.480 least have Chinese investors, a move that would only bolster 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.000 Beijing's presence in the region. What did you think of 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.960 that report and do you have concerns about. 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.240 This well, Sherry. It's a credible report. 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.120 The head of pm G Power has said he's open 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.839 to Chinese money. He doesn't know how they get such 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:54.680 cheap loans, I do. They're backed by the Chinese government, Australia, Japan, 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.680 New Zealand and the USUS spending hundreds of millions of 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:02.040 dollars rolling out more electricity distribution in P ANDNG. There 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.160 would be a massive own goal for US to build 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:09.680 the electricity distribution system and then have a Chinese company 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:13.360 operating it. It's critical infrastructure. So the answer here is 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:17.360 the Australian government needs to back an Australian energy partner 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:18.920 of P and G Power. 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.680 Do you think this is a failure of Foreign Minister 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:23.319 Penny Wong? 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:24.880 Should she be doing more. 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:26.919 Well? 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:31.320 Yes, because how ridiculous is it that we're working with Japan, 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.600 the US and New Zealand to roll out more electricity 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:40.000 distribution only to possibly hand it over to a Chinese company. 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:45.040 And we know Beijing has been hacking into critical energy 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.759 systems in the US and other countries including Australia. If 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.080 they can own and control P and g's energy system, 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:53.360 that's all bad news. 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:56.480 Look, I want to ask you about what was the 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:58.880 big news that started off this week that our terror 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:01.040 threat has raised to probable. 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.680 Do you think this should have happened months ago? 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:05.680 Well? 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.879 I wonder why it was lowered, but certainly after the 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:13.120 horrible unleashing of such division in our community over the 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:17.000 war in Gaza and the Prime Minister's failure to lead 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:22.000 a national debate to diffuse that, Yes, the terror alert 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.919 should have been raised earlier. I thought it was disturbing 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.840 that there was only one sentence about the war in 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.920 the Middle East in two pages of gumph about the 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:35.600 raising of the alert, because that is the reason. It's 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.800 that war and the failed national leadership of the Prime 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.800 Minister that stoked the anger and division in our community. 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.279 Do you think he's still not seeing the leadership, not 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:47.880 showing the leadership that we need right now? 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.680 Very quick answer, I do, and I think it's because 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:55.560 the Labor Party doesn't have an ethical position on the conflict. 0:49:56.600 --> 0:50:00.040 Indeed, very interesting, Marcus Shrubridge. Really appreciate your time and ste. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.319 Sorry it was so short this evening. That's all we've 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.800 got time for you tonight. I'll be back here Monday 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.880 at eight o'clock. And right now, here's the man of 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:14.400 the hour, Poor Murray