Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Shari.
Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: The IBA and alban Easy clash over accusations government spending
Speaker 4: is driving up inflation. That full story in a moment
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Speaker 4: when asked to condemn the October seven attacks.
Speaker 3: At this point, it seems like university Vice Chancellor.
Speaker 4: Mark Scott has no chance of regaining control of this
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Speaker 3: On his campus. But one brave young student did.
Speaker 4: Stand up to the mob, and she will join me
Speaker 4: on the show tonight. This whole story a Shari exclusive
Speaker 4: and it's coming up later this hour, But first tonight,
Speaker 4: the IBA governor has embarrassed Anthony Albanezi by contradicting his
Speaker 4: comments that inflation was under control just hours after he
Speaker 4: said it. There was a bizarre spectacle today where the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister tried to claim his policies were putting downward
Speaker 4: pressure on inflation, when IBA economists have said the precise opposite.
Speaker 4: The Central Bank specifically said this week that government spending
Speaker 4: was keeping inflation high and stopping rates from falling. They
Speaker 4: couldn't have been any clearer, saying it was a significant
Speaker 4: reason why inflation wouldn't return to the target band of
Speaker 4: two to three percent until twenty twenty six. Yet the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister today tried to pretend this was nonsense.
Speaker 3: This wasn't even a.
Speaker 4: Case of the PM trying to spin his way out
Speaker 4: of a problem.
Speaker 3: He was literally in denial mode.
Speaker 5: Have a look inflation. The RBA has taken a shot
Speaker 5: that you're spending, which is why rates aren't coming down.
Speaker 5: Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big
Speaker 5: spending federal and state budgets.
Speaker 6: Well, that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect and.
Speaker 5: Well this is the quote here from the RBA. Public
Speaker 5: demand is forecast to be stronger than previously expected, reflecting
Speaker 5: recent public spending announcements by federal and state governments.
Speaker 7: Are you saying they're wrong.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very different. That's very different from the way
Speaker 6: that you characterized it, Peter. Inflation has a range of
Speaker 6: aspects and that's why we've made sure we agree that
Speaker 6: inflation needs to be further moderated.
Speaker 4: And by the way, Pete Stefanovic did a better job
Speaker 4: than any other journalist who interviewed the PM this morning
Speaker 4: and he did the rounds.
Speaker 3: But as you saw.
Speaker 4: There, Albanezy denied government spending was pushing up inflation and
Speaker 4: claimed it wasn't what the RBA had said. Let's just
Speaker 4: have a look at that specific lie, because it is
Speaker 4: a lie.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 5: Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big
Speaker 5: spending federal and state budgets.
Speaker 6: Well, that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect.
Speaker 4: In fact, it was exactly what the RBA had said,
Speaker 4: both in written and verbal statements, but it got worse.
Speaker 4: Economists and media outlets are concerned about the clash in
Speaker 4: views between the RBA and Treasury that monetary and fiscal
Speaker 4: policy may not be working in tandem. The finn Review
Speaker 4: today reported on a split between the RBA and the
Speaker 4: Albanese government over the economic outlook after Treasurer Jim Chalmers
Speaker 4: on Wednesday disputed the Central Bank's assessment that the economy
Speaker 4: was still operating at an unsustainable pace, and The Australian's
Speaker 4: front page headline today is Treasurer's RBA brawl.
Speaker 3: On the growing.
Speaker 4: Divide between Jim Charmers and the Reserve Bank. We've been
Speaker 4: speaking about the RBA's criticism of government spending over the
Speaker 4: past two nights, Yet the Prime Minister had the hide
Speaker 4: to insist there was no divergence between the RBA and
Speaker 4: his government.
Speaker 6: But the other thing we've done that is so important
Speaker 6: is we've made sure fiscal policy. Budget policy works arm
Speaker 6: in arm with monetary Well, that's.
Speaker 5: Not working at all because the RBA and Treasury are
Speaker 5: brawling at the moment. That's not true, Peter, Well, you're
Speaker 5: saying completely different.
Speaker 6: Inflation. No, we're no, we're not. We're saying that inflation
Speaker 6: needs to continue to moderate and we're saying that we
Speaker 6: are working towards that. That's why we're producing two budget surfaces.
Speaker 4: But just hours after the Prime Minister's denial, he's newly
Speaker 4: installed RBA governor gave a lecture in Armadale today where
Speaker 4: she reiterated that inflation was persistent as she may have
Speaker 4: to raise rates yet again, they've already been forty in
Speaker 4: rate rises as you know, in the past two years.
Speaker 8: It also noted that the growth of demand looks like
Speaker 8: it'll pick up over the rest of the year, although
Speaker 8: I have to say here there's considerable uncertainty.
Speaker 3: About the outlook. It's very uncertain.
Speaker 8: The effect of this is that the board's expectations when
Speaker 8: inflation will come back to the toroercent target range has
Speaker 8: been pushed out, and we don't expect we'll get there
Speaker 8: now until the end of twenty twenty five, so that's
Speaker 8: over a year away. And this is why the Board
Speaker 8: explicitly considered whether another interest rate rise was required to
Speaker 8: ensure that inflation continues to decline in a reasonable time frame.
Speaker 3: Pretty strong comments there.
Speaker 4: Then there's a conflict too between alb and Easy and
Speaker 4: the RBA over whether the energy subsidies are reducing inflat Well,
Speaker 4: Albert Easy insisted today the energy relief was lowering inflation.
Speaker 6: Have a look, we're making sure that they're getting that
Speaker 6: cost of living relief, but we're doing it in a
Speaker 6: way so it's designed to put that downward pressure on
Speaker 6: inflation at the same time.
Speaker 4: Again, another point RBA doesn't agree with. They're senior economist
Speaker 4: Sarah Hunter said just yesterday that the temporary energy rebates
Speaker 4: would not ultimately reduce underlying inflation.
Speaker 9: So what the border are considering and trying to achieve,
Speaker 9: is inflation sustainably back at the target in terms of
Speaker 9: being a sustained return to target. That's not something that
Speaker 9: we can see coming from those particular policies because they
Speaker 9: are only legislated for one year, so that by their
Speaker 9: sort of nature time limited and temporary.
Speaker 4: And that sentiment was also reflected by the Reserve Bank's
Speaker 4: own monetary policy statement, and i'll read it to you now.
Speaker 4: They say headline inflation is expected to moderate temporarily in
Speaker 4: the near term, owing primarily to one off measures, including
Speaker 4: those providing cost of living to households. However, headline inflation
Speaker 4: is then expected to increase as energy rebates and as
Speaker 4: currently legislated, before moving in line with underlying inflation once
Speaker 4: these temporary effects have passed, and you can see in
Speaker 4: their figures that headline inflation does tick up back up
Speaker 4: to three point seven percent when those measures end, the
Speaker 4: subsidies end. Now our position leader Peter Dutton seized on
Speaker 4: this conflict today when he gave his press conference in Darwin.
Speaker 10: Anthony Albernezi had a train wreck interview this morning on
Speaker 10: Sky News. It's clear to me that he doesn't understand
Speaker 10: the basic economic principles, and you've now got a war
Speaker 10: between the Albanesi government and the Reserve Bank governor. I
Speaker 10: don't know who I would back in that war. It
Speaker 10: would be the expert in the Reserve Bank governor.
Speaker 4: Now, none of this is good for Australia, is economic Outlook.
Speaker 4: You want the government and the RBA working hand in
Speaker 4: hand to bring down inflation, not having this public clash
Speaker 4: over direction. There's no point having the RBA take money
Speaker 4: out of the economy only for federal and state governments
Speaker 4: to inject money back into.
Speaker 3: It just to win votes.
Speaker 4: And the Prime Minister yet again today announced another policy
Speaker 4: to give childcare workers and extra one hundred dollars each
Speaker 4: more money in people's pockets. Inflation is keeping our interest
Speaker 4: rates high and cost of living high, and the least
Speaker 4: that state and federal governments can do is stop the
Speaker 4: cash splash. All right, To discuss this further, let's bring
Speaker 4: in tonight's paddle Perth Mayre Basil Zemplus and Sky News
Speaker 4: host Caleb Bond.
Speaker 3: Great to see you both, Basil, What do you think
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 4: Clearly there has been a difference in statements coming from
Speaker 4: the government and the RBA this week, as we've just
Speaker 4: outlined both in terms of where the government spending is
Speaker 4: contributing to inflation and just how much those energy subsidies
Speaker 4: are going to move the needle.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt about that. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 2: it presented with classic definition for us tonight. They are
Speaker 2: not on the same page. I've got to say also
Speaker 2: as an aside, sometimes it's careful what you wish.
Speaker 11: For, isn't it.
Speaker 2: This new era of allowing the Reserve Bank of Australia,
Speaker 2: the Governor and other board members to have their say
Speaker 2: and speak more often, sometimes it's a little bit counterproductive
Speaker 2: to what you might be hoping to achieve. But I quote,
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank of Australia have said they're looking for
Speaker 2: softer growth in government spending before it could cut interest rates.
Speaker 2: They're black and white statements there, they are. So I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how the Prime Minister can dispute the fact
Speaker 2: that they are not on the same page at the moment.
Speaker 2: They clearly are not.
Speaker 4: And look, Chris Richardson through the figures with me yesterday.
Speaker 4: I brought them to you last night. An extra ten
Speaker 4: billion from the federal government, an extra twelve billion from
Speaker 4: state governments, and then you add in the stage three
Speaker 4: tax cuts, and he says that amounts to an extra
Speaker 4: forty six billion dollars in the economy this financial year alone,
Speaker 4: which is just under two percent of the national account.
Speaker 12: Kale.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And it's a tricky line for a government to
Speaker 11: walk because of course they want to be seen to
Speaker 11: be providing some level of relief for cost of living,
Speaker 11: and they will be slammed if they don't do that.
Speaker 11: But on the other hand, every dollar that you give
Speaker 11: to a person to spend adds to the problem of inflation,
Speaker 11: which worsens the cost of living. So do you actually
Speaker 11: end up in front in the first place? And the
Speaker 11: statements of both the Prime Minister and the Treasurer are
Speaker 11: utterly duplicitous if you read into what Charmers has said.
Speaker 11: The Treasurer, Doctor Jim Charmers saying rebuking the RBA, essentially saying, well, look,
Speaker 11: I mean, no one's got any spear cash in their
Speaker 11: pocket right now. And sure most people don't have any
Speaker 11: spare cash in their pocket right now, but that's because
Speaker 11: they've had to spend the extra money that they've been given,
Speaker 11: because the essentials have continued to go up. You look
Speaker 11: at the inflation numbers that came out from the last quarter,
Speaker 11: and discretionary spending has gone down. Inflation has reduced on
Speaker 11: discretionary spending, but it is essentials like fuel and electricity
Speaker 11: and food that have continued to go up. So you
Speaker 11: don't have spare cash in your pocket because you've had
Speaker 11: to meet those extra costs. And what causes all of
Speaker 11: that supply and demand, as the RBA says, and why
Speaker 11: do we have supply and demand issues because we've had
Speaker 11: record migration, not enough housing, not enough schools, not enough
Speaker 11: places for people to go. Oh, these are all things
Speaker 11: that are in the government's control. But they say no, no, no, no,
Speaker 11: because we've given you cost of livering relief. There's nothing
Speaker 11: to worry about here. They're trying to have their cake
Speaker 11: and eat it too.
Speaker 4: And of course low productivity is also an issue which
Speaker 4: the IRBA has highlighted this week that also is in
Speaker 4: the government's control of it, but nothing's.
Speaker 3: Been done on it yet.
Speaker 4: And I think it's worth pointing out when we have
Speaker 4: this discussion that elsewhere the United States, for instance, they
Speaker 4: are looking at lowering intrast rates comes September at least
Speaker 4: by November, but it looks like probably September. So other
Speaker 4: places around the world are moving now to cut rates,
Speaker 4: although it is worth noting they are higher.
Speaker 3: The US is interest rate is.
Speaker 4: Five point five percent hours obviously four point three five percent.
Speaker 3: But still they're going to move in that direction long
Speaker 3: before we are. I mean, we're not going to be.
Speaker 4: Looking at rate cuts at least in the next six months,
Speaker 4: potentially longer. Now, let's have a look at this tone
Speaker 4: deaf joke that has landed the Prime Minister in hot
Speaker 4: water today. Look, he's done a social media post of
Speaker 4: a mocked up album cover.
Speaker 3: I assume this is him.
Speaker 4: Joking about the fact that he's known as DJ Albow Basil.
Speaker 3: He's been criticized for this post.
Speaker 4: People have that it makes light of families who are
Speaker 4: seriously struggling.
Speaker 3: What do you think.
Speaker 2: They're certainly trying to take a little praise prematurely. And
Speaker 2: one thing we all know, everybody hates people. Patting themselves
Speaker 2: on the back in our community is never welcome. But
Speaker 2: we even hate it more when politicians pat themselves on
Speaker 2: the back. Get the job done, let others sing your praises.
Speaker 2: Demonstrate a track record of proven success in this area
Speaker 2: and the fanfare will take care of itself. I don't
Speaker 2: mind the attempts at humor or a little bit of lightheartedness,
Speaker 2: but I don't think this one works, not so much,
Speaker 2: poor taste. It just missed the mark. It's not what's
Speaker 2: required at the moment, and it shows that they're misfiring
Speaker 2: in this area completely.
Speaker 4: Also a CD cover. I mean, no one play CDs anymore.
Speaker 4: I know what Phil have on my c it is
Speaker 4: I just can't play.
Speaker 11: I'm exactly the same I was going to say. I mean,
Speaker 11: it's really emblematic of what all of this means. The
Speaker 11: fact that he's used a CD covered. I mean, so
Speaker 11: fresh was sort of the sounds of my childhood.
Speaker 4: But well, you hang on, Shary, hang around when they're wory.
Speaker 7: Hang on, Sharry. That's a low blow.
Speaker 13: That is a low blow.
Speaker 11: I mean, you're younger than me, You're only twenty one,
Speaker 11: so come on. But it is so emblematic of what
Speaker 11: all of this actually means. Because he's using a CD cover,
Speaker 11: which is a CD You've been just about as useful
Speaker 11: as all of the measures that he's talking about on
Speaker 11: the front of that CD cover.
Speaker 3: Good analogy, well, and even worse than that.
Speaker 2: Actually, Cayleb makes a fair point.
Speaker 7: The last time we were all.
Speaker 2: Listening to CDs was around about the time when interest
Speaker 2: rates were at eighteen or nineteen percent. So they're taking
Speaker 2: us to a place where we don't want to actually
Speaker 2: be reminded.
Speaker 3: Of good point. Good point.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: Peter Dardan also criticized the PM today after another four
Speaker 4: fishing boats were intercepted off Way's coast on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Have look, well, it's the.
Speaker 10: Case because Anthony Albanuzi money out of aerial surveillance and
Speaker 10: maritime surveillance, and if you take those resources away, the
Speaker 10: people smugglers and those who are involved in illegal fishing
Speaker 10: and other activities including running of drugs, et cetera, they
Speaker 10: just run right bozo.
Speaker 4: What do you think do you think this criticism is fair,
Speaker 4: that this is a result of Labour's reduction, as Peter
Speaker 4: Duttan says, in maritime and aerial surveillance.
Speaker 2: Well, you can only go on what we have before
Speaker 2: us to consider, and we know absolutely that there have
Speaker 2: been more boats appearing, there have been more boats getting
Speaker 2: into Australian waters. There's been more reports of exactly this
Speaker 2: sort of thing, illegal fishing boats and others making their
Speaker 2: way into Australian waters, and rightly or wrongly, there is
Speaker 2: clearly a perception issue that exists around the labor government
Speaker 2: that they are softer on these things, and it appears
Speaker 2: to people smugglers and others are prepared to take a
Speaker 2: chance because of the reputation and the exact that softening
Speaker 2: that we've seen, and they can't get away from that.
Speaker 2: It's fact that is what happens when we have had
Speaker 2: labor governments in recent times.
Speaker 3: And here it is again.
Speaker 4: Interesting piece in the fin Review today it looked at
Speaker 4: the booming growth of TikTok in Australia, so the social
Speaker 4: media app that none of us who would be watching
Speaker 4: me tonight, none of us are actually on this app,
Speaker 4: but it's in the news all the time, but it's
Speaker 4: booming and the Australia compared to in the US, where
Speaker 4: Congress is considering banning the Chinese owned platform.
Speaker 3: The fin Review.
Speaker 4: Reports that TikTok reported a net profit after tax of
Speaker 4: eleven point four million last year and it certainly they
Speaker 4: say that it is going to be advertising another one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty six jobs, one hundred and twenty six jobs.
Speaker 3: I mean, Caleb, we.
Speaker 4: Could only I mean, it would be unheard of for
Speaker 4: any media organizations here to be.
Speaker 3: Hiring another one hundred and twenty six people.
Speaker 4: TikTok thrives on miss information, disinformation, you know, mindless content,
Speaker 4: and they're booming well.
Speaker 11: I mean, the best we could hope for was one
Speaker 11: hundred and twenty six trained monkeys.
Speaker 1: It's at about a dollar an hour.
Speaker 11: But the problem with all of this, of course, and
Speaker 11: you look at the US where they have threatened TikTok
Speaker 11: basically that they have to divest their Chinese parent company,
Speaker 11: bike Dance has to divest if they want to keep
Speaker 11: operating in the US, And we should be doing exactly
Speaker 11: the same thing here because we know that it's essentially
Speaker 11: Chinese spy where it rots the brains of Western children.
Speaker 11: And I'm convinced that it is designed to do exactly that,
Speaker 11: because if you look at the version that's offered to
Speaker 11: children in China, you know it shows them science experiments,
Speaker 11: latics equations. It's time limited to forty minutes a day,
Speaker 11: so you can't just keep scrolling. Of course, you can
Speaker 11: get a Western kid, Australian, US UK kid to go
Speaker 11: on TikTok and they're just looking at nonsense. And it
Speaker 11: goes on and on and on and on and on
Speaker 11: all day scrolling.
Speaker 4: I was even reading an interview that one of the
Speaker 4: gold medal Gold Medal Olympia Gabe, and they said what.
Speaker 3: Do you do to relax?
Speaker 4: And she says, I lie in my bed and scroll
Speaker 4: through TikTok and the hours and.
Speaker 11: This is the thing, because once you get going, it's
Speaker 11: so hard to stop. And China knows that right, And
Speaker 11: you'd be stupid to think that China, being the expansionist
Speaker 11: regime that it is, the CCP, would not be using
Speaker 11: a product such as TikTok to try and destroy the
Speaker 11: brains of Western people. It's exactly how they operate, and
Speaker 11: we let them do it. We've got politicians using it
Speaker 11: because of course they want to be where the kids are.
Speaker 11: But they've got to take a look at this is
Speaker 11: bad for our country. It has to go.
Speaker 4: And they deliberately have extreme content and content that's going
Speaker 4: to see division in Western democracies.
Speaker 3: Balzo, I actually want to ask you about something else.
Speaker 4: Peter Darton has just been in wa for five days.
Speaker 4: Wa is lost well, the Liberal Party lost many seats
Speaker 4: to Labor the last election.
Speaker 3: How do you think he's.
Speaker 4: Going in terms of trying to claw back those seats
Speaker 4: ahead of the next election, which we assume will be
Speaker 4: in the first quarter of next year.
Speaker 2: I would say that with each visit to Western Australia
Speaker 2: he is more he endears himself more to the West
Speaker 2: Australian public. I think we've made this point previously. Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton is not trying to win a popularity contest. He
Speaker 2: is trying to win an election and he's always going
Speaker 2: to do it in the Peter Dutton way. That is
Speaker 2: going to be with policy direction, clarity and a forceful
Speaker 2: personality that he will deliver what he says he is
Speaker 2: going to deliver. So I think on each visit, on
Speaker 2: each occasion that he comes here, he further enhances that
Speaker 2: reputation and further endears himself to the West Australian public.
Speaker 2: It is clear WA is going to be critical. The
Speaker 2: job is not done yet. He's going to need to
Speaker 2: come back a few more times yet, but he is
Speaker 2: working hard and I think with each visit that window opens.
Speaker 2: I can say this and I don't say it with
Speaker 2: the blue hat that I wear in the state scene now,
Speaker 2: although I understand people might suggest that I do, but
Speaker 2: there is no doubt that the federal Labor government at
Speaker 2: the moment is right off the popularity that saw them
Speaker 2: elected at the last federal election. So the door is
Speaker 2: open for Dutton to be able to go through the
Speaker 2: challenges he's now to be able to do that, but
Speaker 2: he's making in roads definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting. All right, Basil Zempler's great to see you,
Speaker 3: and Caleb. We'll see you back here at ten o'clock tonight.
Speaker 11: Cheers.
Speaker 4: Now, another big story in the news this week is
Speaker 4: nuclear energy. As you know, Peter Dutton has put nuclear
Speaker 4: squarely on the.
Speaker 3: Table ahead of the next election.
Speaker 4: And while more and more Australians are open to adding
Speaker 4: nuclear to the energy mix, state governments are not. And
Speaker 4: we've just been speaking about Wa well, WA's mining minister
Speaker 4: is refusing to change their policy on uranium despite the
Speaker 4: cause from the Coalition to lift the prohibition on nuclear.
Speaker 4: WA Minds Minister David Michael says the state's future energy needs.
Speaker 3: Will be met by renewables.
Speaker 4: No problem here to discusses National's leader David Little Proud David, good.
Speaker 3: To see you again.
Speaker 4: Look where does this leave the coalition's signature energy policy.
Speaker 4: If the states like Wa won't lift their bands on
Speaker 4: uranium well.
Speaker 14: As a last resort we would have to use federal powers,
Speaker 14: but we don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: We're going to the Australian people.
Speaker 14: Peter Dutton and I will go to the Australian people
Speaker 14: with a clear plan not to put all our energy
Speaker 14: eggs in one basket, to have concentration risk that won't
Speaker 14: underpin our economy. There's no industrial scale country of our
Speaker 14: size in the world that's going in all renewables approach.
Speaker 1: So we will.
Speaker 14: Transition some of our coal to nuclear with gas as
Speaker 14: well as some renewables. But what we want is leadership.
Speaker 14: We're going to be upfront and on us with the
Speaker 14: Australian people. If we get that manddate, they expect the
Speaker 14: Australian people expect that their politicians actually respect that mandate
Speaker 14: and show the leadership that we're showing and get out
Speaker 14: of our own and work constructively and make sure that
Speaker 14: we facilitate this transition in an orderly way. And that's
Speaker 14: what Peter Dutton I'll be asking the Australian people to determine.
Speaker 14: If we get that mandate. We expect the states and
Speaker 14: matter that political persuasion to work with this and to
Speaker 14: get on with.
Speaker 1: The job that we will have been elected to do.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 4: If you did win the next election the States still
Speaker 4: refused to lift the prohibitions on nuclear you're saying you
Speaker 4: would use federal powers to what forced them to overturn
Speaker 4: the bands.
Speaker 3: How would that work in reality?
Speaker 14: Well, obviously the first instance will be to work with
Speaker 14: those states and we'll be talking about starting two the
Speaker 14: nuclear power plants immediately, going to seven over the period
Speaker 14: up until twenty fifty.
Speaker 1: We made that very clear. We want to work constructively,
Speaker 1: but we will utilize every federal power we have.
Speaker 14: If there is roadblocks put in front of us. No
Speaker 14: one should underestimate and Peter Dutton's determination to make sure
Speaker 14: that Australia is not left behind and we remove ourselves
Speaker 14: from this reckless race of an all renewables approach that will.
Speaker 3: Destroy this contract.
Speaker 1: We are going to be upfront and honest to this
Speaker 1: stray people.
Speaker 3: How would that work?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 1: Obviously do you have.
Speaker 14: Well? And those are things that obviously we're working through
Speaker 14: in making sure that if we have to utilize those
Speaker 14: those federal powers and there are, There are a number
Speaker 14: of them that we would utilize if necessary.
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Australian people want.
Speaker 14: Us to have a fight with the States after they've
Speaker 14: clearly given a direction not just to us, but to
Speaker 14: every to every state and territory in this country to
Speaker 14: get on with the job. That's what elections about, that's
Speaker 14: what this beautiful thing called democracy is about.
Speaker 1: And we don't want to pick a fight. But what
Speaker 1: we're saying is, you are people.
Speaker 4: Gives working through that process of if the States refuse,
Speaker 4: and you know, you could easily foresee a situation where
Speaker 4: at least one, if not two or three of the
Speaker 4: state governments refuse to lift the ban, so you are
Speaker 4: currently working through what options you have to force them
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 14: That as a last resort. No one should underestimate our
Speaker 14: determination to achieve this. But I think what the Australian
Speaker 14: people want is leadership. They want strong leadership, and aton little,
Speaker 14: proud government will give that strong leadership. We're going to
Speaker 14: look Australians in the eye now, We're going to tell
Speaker 14: them what we're going to do, how are we going
Speaker 14: to do it, and we expect the country to unite
Speaker 14: behind that and get on with the job to back
Speaker 14: ourselves as a country and do what we should do
Speaker 14: to set this up for generations to come. That's why
Speaker 14: I'm in politics, and that's the legacy I want to
Speaker 14: leave for my children and why I get grandchildren. Not
Speaker 14: a legacy of renewables that last for fifteen years, but
Speaker 14: something will last for eighty to one hundred years. That's
Speaker 14: the common sense that the Nationals are going to stand
Speaker 14: behind and make sure that the next selection the Australian
Speaker 14: people get a choice to vote for.
Speaker 4: All right, David Little Proud, Leader of the Nationals, thank
Speaker 4: you very much for time now. Coming up after the
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Speaker 3: Up as violence escalates.
Speaker 4: The brilliant Brendan O'Neil will join me next plus, a
Speaker 4: former head of Israeli intelligence will be on the show
Speaker 4: live and we're going to hear his insights as Israel
Speaker 4: prepares for a devastating strike by Iran.
Speaker 3: Welcome back well.
Speaker 4: Hesbalah is reportedly poised to attack Israel in the coming days.
Speaker 4: This according to US intelligence. The Lebanese terrorist group is
Speaker 4: moving faster, apparently in its preparations than Iran, with an
Speaker 4: attack from them expected to be sooner and harder than
Speaker 4: anything from Tehran. But a strike from either Iran or
Speaker 4: Hesbelah could happen with no notice.
Speaker 3: Well to discuss this.
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to welcome to the program Major General Amos Yadlin.
Speaker 4: He's the former head of IDF Intelligence direct and current President.
Speaker 3: Of MIND Israel.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for joining us this evening, really appreciated. Look,
Speaker 4: Israel is bracing for strikes, as I just said, by
Speaker 4: Iran and Hezbollah. What can we expect and how do
Speaker 4: you think their approaches will differ.
Speaker 12: I think both of them are trying to attack Israel
Speaker 12: in their way as a retaliation and trying to establish
Speaker 12: some the terrans after Israel basically retaliated and attacked the
Speaker 12: chief military terrorists under Marsuala and Israel is alleged never
Speaker 12: took responsibility. But the Iranians are thinking that Raniah was
Speaker 12: the head of the Tel organization Haramas was assassinated in terror,
Speaker 12: so Isael is ready the good news. I think that
Speaker 12: all three parties don't want to go to a full
Speaker 12: scale war. It's a very fine formula of operation that
Speaker 12: want to establish the terrence to do some retaliation without
Speaker 12: going that high that will will escalate to a full
Speaker 12: scale war.
Speaker 3: Look, it's good to hear you say that.
Speaker 4: We have been reading reports though that there are concerns
Speaker 4: the attack could be devastating and could be very destructive,
Speaker 4: including in some of Israel's biggest cities. Are you confident
Speaker 4: that Israeli's defense systems, including the Iron Dome, will be
Speaker 4: able to protect citizens? So do you think the scale
Speaker 4: of an attack could be so large that it could
Speaker 4: overwhelm these systems.
Speaker 12: I don't see them doing a large scale attack as
Speaker 12: it was in April from Iran and towards Tel Aviv,
Speaker 12: as that was never exercised in the last ten months
Speaker 12: that riz Bala started the war with Israel, I see
Speaker 12: them doing something that in the middle by the way,
Speaker 12: Iran is cooling down. They saw the American fleet that
Speaker 12: came to help Israel. They understood that Ania was not
Speaker 12: targeted from Israel by a missile or by any violation
Speaker 12: of an Iranian airspace, So they'll not have the right
Speaker 12: to do an attack on Israel with missiles. And I
Speaker 12: think the new president basically understand that there will be
Speaker 12: an Israeli reaction, and he don't want to start his
Speaker 12: term basically caring about the Iranian economy and paying attention
Speaker 12: to what happened in Yemen. In Hudaida thought, So, I
Speaker 12: see the Iranians looking for different kind of attack, not
Speaker 12: overwhelming missile attack. He's Balo on the other hand, he's
Speaker 12: Balo on the other hand, it's going to attack as well.
Speaker 12: But I do have a lot of confidence in the defensive.
Speaker 12: It's not only the iron, it's three layers of arrow
Speaker 12: David sling and iron doo and another foce, which is
Speaker 12: the Isueli air force that can stop some of their
Speaker 12: drones and rose missiles. And they know exactly that Israel
Speaker 12: will not stay in the defense. Israel will react, maybe simultaneously,
Speaker 12: maybe after seeing the results. So I think are also
Speaker 12: scaling down the level of attacks that's a plan to
Speaker 12: do against is Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, it seems like the if that's the case, the
Speaker 4: retaliation strikes and attacks will continue.
Speaker 3: I don't see where an end is in sight. Major General.
Speaker 4: I'm interested to hear your thoughts just before you go
Speaker 4: on the recent assassination of the Hamas chief Honeyea.
Speaker 3: That you refer to in Tehran.
Speaker 4: It's been reported but not confirmed, that a bomb was
Speaker 4: snuck into his bedroom and then at a later time,
Speaker 4: early in the morning Tehran time, it was remotely detonated.
Speaker 4: We presume this was masade. We don't know how impressive.
Speaker 4: I mean, you were former IDF intelligence chief, So how
Speaker 4: impressive was this strike at his home in Iran to
Speaker 4: have to physically go in there in Tehran plant a
Speaker 4: bomb undetected.
Speaker 12: I don't know who've done it, but whoever done this
Speaker 12: operation demonstrated a very high level of intelligence, a very
Speaker 12: high level of planning, and a very high level of
Speaker 12: being able to penetrate a site that belonged to the IRGC.
Speaker 12: So as I said, in the last months, Israel demonstrated
Speaker 12: some of its capabilities. And the terrence that was highly
Speaker 12: destroyed is really the terrence on the seventh of October
Speaker 12: is now getting back some of its value. If you
Speaker 12: once again go to the port in Judada to the
Speaker 12: head of the military part of Rizbala, I don't know
Speaker 12: whether an EA is included, but for sure death is included.
Speaker 12: Death is the head the head of Rama's terrorist organization
Speaker 12: in Gaza in the military site. So the two main
Speaker 12: forms Gaza and liberon the heads. The chief of stuffs
Speaker 12: of these tele organizations are gone, and this is the time,
Speaker 12: by the way, to go into a hostages deal from
Speaker 12: a position of powerm after some achievement and basically to
Speaker 12: cool down the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good points.
Speaker 4: Look, I really appreciated your insights, Major General, and we
Speaker 4: look forward to having you back on the program on
Speaker 4: another occasion.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Well, let's turn to the United Kingdom now, which thankfully
Speaker 4: had a reprieve overnight from the violent riots that have
Speaker 4: rocked Britain.
Speaker 3: Over the past week.
Speaker 4: According to the latest YUGA of polling, half of people
Speaker 4: think Kirstarma has handled the riots poorly.
Speaker 3: Here he was just yesterday.
Speaker 13: Over four hundred people now have been arrested. One hundred
Speaker 13: are being charged, some in relation to online activity, and
Speaker 13: a number of them are already in court and I'm
Speaker 13: now expecting substantive sentencing before the end of this week.
Speaker 13: But the message has to go to those who are
Speaker 13: involving themselves in this disorder, which is you're wrong, you
Speaker 13: shouldn't be doing it. You were the full force of
Speaker 13: the law, as I hope we're being able to demonstrate
Speaker 13: with these swift prosecutions.
Speaker 3: Right, let's bring it now.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite guests, Spiked Online chief political reporter
Speaker 4: Brendan O'Neill in Lnedon, terrific to see you again, Brendan. Look,
Speaker 4: how have these riots spiraled so quickly? And can you
Speaker 4: tell me about this underlying friction clearly in UK society.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the riots are awful, absolutely dreadful. They have been.
Speaker 7: They have caused a lot of destruction, a lot of injury.
Speaker 7: We've seen mosques being attacked, We've seen hotels housing immigrants
Speaker 7: being attacked. This is really nasty stuff and it really
Speaker 7: blew up for about four or five days. It seems
Speaker 7: to be fizzling out now. But you know, there is
Speaker 7: a reluctance from Keer Starmer downwards throughout the political class
Speaker 7: and the media class to talk about any potential causes
Speaker 7: of these frictions, any potential causes of these tensions in
Speaker 7: this violence. My view is that I don't even think
Speaker 7: these are race rights. I think they are identity riots.
Speaker 7: I think these are the grim wages of the politics
Speaker 7: of identity, when you live under a political system that
Speaker 7: continually reduces people to their racial characteristics, which divides people
Speaker 7: according to whether they are supposedly privileged or supposedly oppressed,
Speaker 7: which depicts Britain as an institutionally racist or Islamophobic country.
Speaker 7: When you have government, actors and activist class and the
Speaker 7: media set which are constantly pushing these divisive messages, I
Speaker 7: don't think we can be surprised when divisions actually explode
Speaker 7: into violence. So we have to look at ourselves as
Speaker 7: a society and ask how this kind of violence could happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the cause social cohesion is breaking down in cities
Speaker 4: around the world. Brendan, you were in Australia recently, we
Speaker 4: caught up you witnessed the insane anti semitism that we've
Speaker 4: got here. Well, just overnight and I'm going to play
Speaker 4: you everyone at home the footage from this after the
Speaker 4: break But overnight University of Sydney's students demanded that other
Speaker 4: students support the Palestinian right to armed resistance. That's how
Speaker 4: they put it. That is basically terrorism. How have we
Speaker 4: deteriorated do you think so extensively as a society that
Speaker 4: educated university students who are woke in every other aspect
Speaker 4: of life are now supporting terrorism and violence.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's terrifying, and I think it's even
Speaker 7: worse than that. I think clearly, as you say, they
Speaker 7: have expressed support for what is fundamentally terrorism, but they've
Speaker 7: expressed support for armies of anti Semites. Because if you
Speaker 7: are voting to support the Palestinian right to armed resistance,
Speaker 7: as they refer to it, just nine months after her
Speaker 7: mass carried out the worst slaughter of Jewish people since
Speaker 7: the Holocaust, then you are giving your support to violent
Speaker 7: actions like that. So these are people who pose as
Speaker 7: anti fascists, who pose as anti racist, and yet they
Speaker 7: have been either blase or actively supportive of the worst
Speaker 7: act of racist violence of this century so far. So
Speaker 7: they are hypocrites. And I would say there are a
Speaker 7: lot of racists in their ranks as well. And you're right.
Speaker 7: Universities across the West have become hotbeds of due hatred
Speaker 7: since the seventh of October pogrom, you know, on those
Speaker 7: so called gaza encampments on American universities, we saw people
Speaker 7: referring to Israel as the pigs of the earth. We
Speaker 7: saw Jewish people being told to go back to Poland
Speaker 7: a swashticker was painted on one university campus. We've seen
Speaker 7: similar developments in Britain, and of course on all the
Speaker 7: protests which a lot of students are involved in, people
Speaker 7: have openly praised her Mass, They've openly praised the Whufies,
Speaker 7: They've openly praised movements that are devoted to the murder
Speaker 7: of Jewish people. So I think the problem here, especially
Speaker 7: on campuses, is that we have educated young people to
Speaker 7: turn against their own civilization. We've educated them to be
Speaker 7: anti Western and what we're faced with Middle East right
Speaker 7: now is a battle between civilization as represented by Israel
Speaker 7: and barbarism as represented by her Mass and its other allies.
Speaker 7: So it's not surprising, even though it's deeply shocking, that
Speaker 7: our young people, who we've turned against civilization have taken
Speaker 7: the side of barbarism in this conflict.
Speaker 4: So smart Brennan ONEO really appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Now after the break we're going
Speaker 4: to have more on that story. And the female student
Speaker 4: who took on a mob of her Mass loving students
Speaker 4: at the University of Sydney last night. She waived the
Speaker 4: Israeli flag and oh she's not Jewish, She's going to
Speaker 4: join me life.
Speaker 3: Plus it's been a bad day.
Speaker 4: For Alan Joys who lost nearly ten million dollars.
Speaker 3: That's all coming up next. Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go to these utterly outrageous scenes at the
Speaker 4: University of Sydney last night where the Student Representative Council
Speaker 4: put forward motions where they called for three things. One
Speaker 4: to cut ties with apartheid Israel, secondly to scrap the
Speaker 4: Camper's access policy and lastly affirm a one state solution
Speaker 4: and Palestinian's right to armed resistance. Well, two motions were
Speaker 4: passed at the meeting, supported by an overwhelming majority, and
Speaker 4: they were to cut ties with genocide and Gaza, and
Speaker 4: the second to support a one Palestinian state, no Israel,
Speaker 4: and the right to armed resistance. In the preamble, the
Speaker 4: students also argue that there should be no expulsions or
Speaker 4: suspensions of students who endorse terrorism. So this is what
Speaker 4: we're actually speaking about here, supporting Palestinian's right to armed resistance,
Speaker 4: that is, supporting their right to terrorism.
Speaker 3: And that's what happened on October seven.
Speaker 4: When entire families were slaughtered a massacre where hundreds of
Speaker 4: young people were gunned down at a music festival.
Speaker 3: Is this seriously what these.
Speaker 4: Dumb students at the University of Sydney support. Apparently so now,
Speaker 4: a non Jewish but pro Israel student moved an amendment
Speaker 4: to condemn the Hamas October seven attacks. You won't be
Speaker 4: surprised to hear it was overwhelmingly defeated. I've seen the videos,
Speaker 4: the crowds shouting, we don't give an f and free,
Speaker 4: free Palestine. They won't condemn the October seven attacks. Literally,
Speaker 4: pregnant women had their babies cut out of their stomachs.
Speaker 4: Babies and children were killed, women were raped. Jewish students
Speaker 4: said they faced hostility. They found it very distressing that
Speaker 4: their fellow students wouldn't even condemn the terror attacks. Make
Speaker 4: no mistake, this is extreme anti Semitism. Well, student frail
Speaker 4: each spoke extremely well.
Speaker 3: In front of the hostile crowd. Have a look. The
Speaker 3: mass is.
Speaker 15: A brutal jihadis friggi. You cannot say you stand for
Speaker 15: women and not condemn the rape of Israeli women. You
Speaker 15: cannot say you support queer people and not condemned her mask.
Speaker 15: Who takes a Sharia is laming you available. I suggest
Speaker 15: that should be thrown off.
Speaker 3: Till now, our lawyers blurred that footage.
Speaker 4: I don't know why it's but if you want go
Speaker 4: check it all out on Twitter now. The Wentworth MP
Speaker 4: Alegras Spender released a statement saying she was appalled to
Speaker 4: see young Jewish students treated with disrespect when they explained
Speaker 4: the facts about her muss Allegra. Spender said last night's
Speaker 4: motion excuses the actions of her musk and was passed
Speaker 4: without meaningful debate. No thoughtful person who considers the facts
Speaker 4: could support such a motion. And then after that meeting,
Speaker 4: the pro Palestinian students then stormed the University of Sydney's
Speaker 4: administration building where Vice Chancellor Mark Scott has his office.
Speaker 4: I've spoken to academics and students today. They are devastated.
Speaker 4: It was a disgusting display of anti Semitism and we've
Speaker 4: seen basically no leadership from the University of Sydney. In
Speaker 4: my view, the university has to shut this down. The
Speaker 4: only way they can do that is by suspending any
Speaker 4: student who voted to support terrorism, because thou would send
Speaker 4: a message that these aren't Australian values of tolerance and
Speaker 4: empathy and inclusiveness. Or I'm pleased to say that that
Speaker 4: University of Sydney student that you saw standing up there
Speaker 4: and taking on that horrible mob.
Speaker 3: Freyer leitch Well.
Speaker 4: She joins me now in studio along with commentator Jason Morrison.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Freyer. I have to say I feel like
Speaker 3: starting by applauding.
Speaker 4: You, because that took so much courage to stand up
Speaker 4: there in front of all of those students who are
Speaker 4: heckling you.
Speaker 3: And you're not Jewish, but you.
Speaker 4: Stood up for Israel's right to exist. You stood up
Speaker 4: for the victims of terrorism.
Speaker 3: Tell me what happened last night and how you felt.
Speaker 16: I knew it was going to be crazy when I
Speaker 16: saw the motions that were published. I knew this was
Speaker 16: going to be totally just full of anti Semitism. But
Speaker 16: even I was shocked. And I've been to a lot
Speaker 16: of these student politics meetings. The facts that we put
Speaker 16: up an amendment to condemn Hermas and condemn October seven,
Speaker 16: and that amendment was voted down by about eight hundred
Speaker 16: to eight says it. All these people are openly supporting terrorism.
Speaker 16: They've dehumanized Jewish people and Israeli people to such a
Speaker 16: point where they cannot even condemn rape, they cannot condemn
Speaker 16: burning people alive. They cannot condemn kidnapping. I am so
Speaker 16: distressed at the state of my generation and this university,
Speaker 16: and the fact that I guarantee these students will be
Speaker 16: back in class on Monday. Nothing will happen, there will
Speaker 16: be no repercussions, and they will continue to go on
Speaker 16: just luring these poor first year students into crazy radical socialists,
Speaker 16: pro Palestine clubs and societies, and over time anti Semitism
Speaker 16: will become the new normal at our university already has, Yeah,
Speaker 16: it already has. And what's so scary is our leaders.
Speaker 16: A lot of them have actually started as Sydney University students.
Speaker 16: We know Albo was once one of these pro Palestinian
Speaker 16: activists at Sydney UNI. It is terrifying to think that
Speaker 16: these kids who cannot condemn terrorism could potentially go on
Speaker 16: to be leaders of this country.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how incredible, brave, courageous and articulate,
Speaker 4: articulate you are. We are just so lucky to have
Speaker 4: had you standing up there speaking last night. Jason, how
Speaker 4: do you think Mark Scott needs to handle this well?
Speaker 17: Mark Scott needs to stand up for once, not to
Speaker 17: be sitting in the corner and avoiding this issue and
Speaker 17: putting out statements to diffuse tensions, because it's not about tensions,
Speaker 17: it's about a boring attitude that the university seems to
Speaker 17: be able to look by. I don't think these kids
Speaker 17: will end up being leaders. They'll end up being Green's staffers.
Speaker 17: And that, unfortunately, is the sick part of all of this,
Speaker 17: is that they think they're in the mainstream with these views.
Speaker 17: They are so over in the kooky left with some
Speaker 17: dangerous thinking. And look, it's a shame actually that the
Speaker 17: lawyers blurred that vision, because what the vision shows is
Speaker 17: you're talking about fair dikham things that are happening in
Speaker 17: the Middle East, like people being killed for their sexuality,
Speaker 17: women being attacked because they're women speaking out. You're talking
Speaker 17: about things that actually do go on and are part
Speaker 17: of sharia law.
Speaker 1: And these half wits are giggling and laughing. They think
Speaker 1: it's funny.
Speaker 17: You're talking about rape going on inside the attacks that happened,
Speaker 17: and they're laughing at this like it's not real.
Speaker 1: Look, they're not right.
Speaker 4: I have no problem with people being pro Palestinian and
Speaker 4: disagreeing with the Israeli government.
Speaker 3: That's free speech. That's perfectly fine.
Speaker 4: But what we saw last night was an endorsement of terrorism,
Speaker 4: endorsing Palestinian's right to armed resistance and refusing to condemn
Speaker 4: the terror attacks.
Speaker 3: That's what's so concerning.
Speaker 16: And I was in Israel in May. I went to
Speaker 16: the site of the Nova Music Festival massacre. I went
Speaker 16: to Kibbutzbery. I spoke with a woman whose son and
Speaker 16: nephew were murdered.
Speaker 3: On October seven.
Speaker 16: She has another nephew that is still being held hostage
Speaker 16: in Gaza to this very day. That is what resistance
Speaker 16: looks like. I wonder if these kids realize that's exactly
Speaker 16: what they're supporting.
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you.
Speaker 4: Go from having you know, woke inclinations in any other
Speaker 4: respective life and then suddenly you support terrorism because it's
Speaker 4: against Jews.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 17: I think the failure at the university is the failure
Speaker 17: to speak it as it is, as you are here
Speaker 17: tonight and as you did in front of that room,
Speaker 17: is that there are too many people, too many academics,
Speaker 17: and they want to hide behind, you know, an academic argument,
Speaker 17: but it's straight out you hatred, and it seems to
Speaker 17: be something that they're comfortable with being a part of
Speaker 17: in these enlightened, tolerant halls of universities, that there are
Speaker 17: actually people who seem to think that's an acceptable thing
Speaker 17: to find a group of people and just hate them
Speaker 17: because of what they are, and to be able to
Speaker 17: look past the violence and the horizontal It's been there
Speaker 17: for too long, and it started with this little tent
Speaker 17: game that happened out there for far too long, Mark Scott.
Speaker 17: He continues to fail upwards and this seems to be
Speaker 17: what happens with this don I don't get.
Speaker 3: It getting dangerous now.
Speaker 4: Jason Morrison Freileitch, thank you so much both of you
Speaker 4: for your to I think we're going to take a
Speaker 4: quick break and then we'll be back with MOK. Let's
Speaker 4: bring in now Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge.
Speaker 3: Michael, great to see you.
Speaker 4: Look, let's look at this story that broke last night
Speaker 4: on Channel seven that there are concerns that Papua New
Speaker 4: Guinea could sell its power grid to China, or at
Speaker 4: least have Chinese investors, a move that would only bolster
Speaker 4: Beijing's presence in the region. What did you think of
Speaker 4: that report and do you have concerns about.
Speaker 12: This well, Sherry. It's a credible report.
Speaker 18: The head of pm G Power has said he's open
Speaker 18: to Chinese money. He doesn't know how they get such
Speaker 18: cheap loans, I do. They're backed by the Chinese government, Australia, Japan,
Speaker 18: New Zealand and the USUS spending hundreds of millions of
Speaker 18: dollars rolling out more electricity distribution in P ANDNG. There
Speaker 18: would be a massive own goal for US to build
Speaker 18: the electricity distribution system and then have a Chinese company
Speaker 18: operating it. It's critical infrastructure. So the answer here is
Speaker 18: the Australian government needs to back an Australian energy partner
Speaker 18: of P and G Power.
Speaker 4: Do you think this is a failure of Foreign Minister
Speaker 4: Penny Wong?
Speaker 3: Should she be doing more.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 18: Yes, because how ridiculous is it that we're working with Japan,
Speaker 18: the US and New Zealand to roll out more electricity
Speaker 18: distribution only to possibly hand it over to a Chinese company.
Speaker 18: And we know Beijing has been hacking into critical energy
Speaker 18: systems in the US and other countries including Australia. If
Speaker 18: they can own and control P and g's energy system,
Speaker 18: that's all bad news.
Speaker 4: Look, I want to ask you about what was the
Speaker 4: big news that started off this week that our terror
Speaker 4: threat has raised to probable.
Speaker 3: Do you think this should have happened months ago?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 18: I wonder why it was lowered, but certainly after the
Speaker 18: horrible unleashing of such division in our community over the
Speaker 18: war in Gaza and the Prime Minister's failure to lead
Speaker 18: a national debate to diffuse that, Yes, the terror alert
Speaker 18: should have been raised earlier. I thought it was disturbing
Speaker 18: that there was only one sentence about the war in
Speaker 18: the Middle East in two pages of gumph about the
Speaker 18: raising of the alert, because that is the reason. It's
Speaker 18: that war and the failed national leadership of the Prime
Speaker 18: Minister that stoked the anger and division in our community.
Speaker 4: Do you think he's still not seeing the leadership, not
Speaker 4: showing the leadership that we need right now?
Speaker 18: Very quick answer, I do, and I think it's because
Speaker 18: the Labor Party doesn't have an ethical position on the conflict.
Speaker 3: Indeed, very interesting, Marcus Shrubridge. Really appreciate your time and ste.
Speaker 4: Sorry it was so short this evening. That's all we've
Speaker 4: got time for you tonight. I'll be back here Monday
Speaker 4: at eight o'clock. And right now, here's the man of
Speaker 4: the hour, Poor Murray