WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 6 March 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.240 Welcome, Joe wait Bay. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:08.680 Thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.559 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.760 up tonight. The AFL might have tried to outlaw the bump, 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.880 but a South Australian footy fan has used it to 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.040 great effect in a citizen's arrest. Will show you what 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.600 happened a little later. Plus when we look at what's 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.079 making news tomorrow. Of course cyclone Alfred the big story, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.040 how the papers are reporting that, and don't forget we'll 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.640 provide regular updates throughout the weekend here on Sky News. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.360 Plus an incredible story in Melbourne a teenager at Avalon 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.360 Airport managed to board a Jetstar flight with a shotgun, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.160 a loaded shotgun. All of that when we get to 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.199 tomorrow's papers. But first, speaking of AFL, I'm a massive 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.199 AFL fan, Caleb is a massive AFL fan, Liz is 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.440 learning to be a massive AFLAT Wesson. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.160 I will sing the song to pro loyal. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.920 Do not lose them, so we won't have Liz do 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.160 any musical numbers. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.600 I'll tell you what you could say. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.000 Lizzie is a big, big sound though I think that 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:08.120 would be apt. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.840 That is very true here's something I didn't know about 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:15.080 the AFL. Though it's a registered charity and doesn't pay 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.640 any tax, it's tax exemption status states back to the 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.440 nineteen fifties and was granted by the government in recognition 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.760 of the work it does to promote community sport. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:26.559 Well. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.280 Fair enough, but the AFL is a very different beast 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.640 these days. It's a one billion dollar a year business. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.479 The CEO earns well over three million dollars a year, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.840 and so there are calls for the AFL and other 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.000 sports I must say, like the NRL to start paying tax. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.160 This all comes out of report in the Journal of 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:48.280 Australian Taxation. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.080 I must say. It's a sad, sad life, Caleb. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.760 When you are spending your time reading the Journal of 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:54.840 Australian are you. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.000 Telling me you don't read it every night. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.000 It's been a while, Caleb, it's been while. 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.040 I go home every evening, crack a bottle of red, 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.440 read the Australian Journal Taxation, and then I call my 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.680 accountant tap to. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.919 Talk about what I've read. I thought everyone did it. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.600 Not everyone, But let me tell you what it says 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.840 for those who aren't reading the Taxation Journal. The tax 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.840 exemption given to the AFL is not justified because on 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.280 the size of the league's revenues. The tax exemption was 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.960 designed for community sporting clubs and leagues with low levels 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.560 of income and not wealthy professional sports entities. Now it 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.320 goes on to talk about two problems with the AFL 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.600 not paying tax the revenue and the size of the 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.600 CEO's salary package. But I'm not sure their good arguments, Liz, 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.320 because when you look at the size of the AFL's revenue, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.640 it's a billion dollars. But World Vision have a revenue 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.360 in Australia of about four hundred and fifty million dollars. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.639 The Salvation Army have an annual revenue in this country 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.720 of about eight hundred and ninety two million dollars. They're 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.880 charities that do great work. It's not the size of 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.840 the revenue, it's how much you contribute back into the community. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.440 And as for executive salaries, if you're running an organization 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.160 like the AFL with so many moving parts, it's a 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.680 national organization, you've got thousands of employees, you've got a 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.959 billion dollar a year income. Well, you're not going to 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.480 pay someone pittance to run that. You're looking for someone 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.600 who would be able to bear that responsibility. They've got 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.480 five hundred and twenty six thousand registered players in this country, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.000 most of those in community sports, and ten percent of 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.200 all of their revenue goes back into local sport. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:35.080 What's wrong with that? 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.960 Well, I don't think anyone has a problem with the 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.320 salaries of the head honchos, who will say running the clubs, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.520 running the leagues. The problem is, I don't know about you, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.000 but this became a game. As a complete spribes to me, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.280 I didn't know that these guys around. We're talking about 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.360 a billion dollar industry here, and even more than that 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.120 if you throw in cricket Australia, the NRL, the list 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.480 goes on. I didn't know that these guys had this 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.120 tax exemption. It's very hard to argue when you look 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.480 at the minuture of it that this isn't a business, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.240 and a very lucrative one at that. When you think 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.440 of non for profits, you think of organizations that focus 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:20.520 on health education, the financially disadvantage, you do not think 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.640 of billion dollar sporting leagues. What needs to happen here 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.479 is pretty obvious, and that is the law needs to 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:33.640 differentiate between those amateur sporting. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.000 Clubs that should be tax exempt. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.960 We want all those country kids and whatever else. It 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.719 is the smaller community sporting clubs, absolutely, and that was 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.080 the intention of the nineteen fifties legislation. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.400 That they would be exempt. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.400 Back in the nineteen fifties, we didn't have these massive, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:55.640 behemoth leagues who were posting huge revenues, huge profits every year. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.920 And sure they give a bit. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.240 Back, but let's keep in mind some of their revenue 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:06.040 comes from these massive sponsorships lucrative broadcasting deals. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:07.600 Then we've got the fact that. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.040 They receive tens of millions of dollars in the form 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.159 of a percentage of the income of betting agencies. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.640 This is a business. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.640 There's no way, shape or form in which they should 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.719 be considered a non for profit. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:24.000 And the change that. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.279 Needs to happen is exactly what New Zealand has in 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.080 their legislation, where they differentiate between the big wigs and 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.400 the little guys who should be tax exempt. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.039 I think this is the problem right now. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.159 As someone who reads the Taxation Journal, I can tell 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.760 you that it is Section fifty point four to five 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:46.560 of the Income Tax Assessment Act that provides this exemption. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.960 But I think this is the problem because you wouldn't 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.760 have an argument against it if you could say that 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.080 all of the money that flows into the AFL and 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.960 the NRL is put back into the local clubs and is. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:57.760 Put to good use. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:02.080 But when you watch sporting leagues having gay pride rounds 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.080 and all this sort of thing, spending their money on 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.440 things that is not really for the betterment of the 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.360 sport in any way is making some kind of. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.080 A political overture. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.000 And quite often we've seen the big sporting leagues get 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.520 involved in politics in this country. If you want to 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.279 go down that road, you can have the right to 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:19.760 do it. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.480 But we're going to call you a business. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.760 If you are a not for profit outfit that is 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.440 solely involved in promoting sport which is good for health, 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.920 et cetera in the country, I've got no problem calling 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.360 you and not for profit. But if they're to go 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.560 down that road and they have, I think they're a business. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.040 They're making shed loads of money. And if you want 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.919 to argue that football is a public good, and I 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.039 would say it is a public good, it's great. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.160 For our mental health, if it not our physical health. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.680 But although supporting North Melbourne is not good for you. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.200 It wouldn't it for your blood pressure either. I'd be 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.400 going to see your doctor about that. But surely me 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.880 doing this program is a public good, right. I mean, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.440 I'm informing the public of things they may not have known. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.280 I'm giving entertainment to people. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.000 I'm giving a company to people who might be at 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.600 home on their own, and this is a bit of connection. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:07.760 To the world. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.000 That's a public good. So why do I have to 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.600 pay tax? I mean, if you keep following this down 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.960 the line, basically everyone can argue that what they're doing 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.600 is somehow a public good and so they should be 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.400 classified as a not for profit. The only problem with 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.920 the not for profit thing is that they will argue 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.360 the AFL, the NRL, every other sporting league that they are, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.760 in the truest sense, are not for profit because they 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.360 don't deliver a dividend to a hareholder, right, so the 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.840 money doesn't ultimately flow in profit to someone else. And 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.160 on that point you'll probably never win the argument. But 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.880 when you're making the money they are, it's pretty clear 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.160 it's operating like a business even though it's technically a 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:46.800 not for profit. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.080 Well, any good charity should operate like a business, because 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.400 if you're not making money, but. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.480 There are a certain liberty if people, there are certain 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.960 liberties you shouldn't be taking. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.840 If you are an agree which the AFL is the 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.080 most woke sporting organization in the country. If they are 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.840 getting charity status, they shouldn't be having all these different 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.760 rounds that divide the community. I should point out they've 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.160 got a billion dollars and your revenue there and your 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.680 profit last year I think was forty five million, so 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.200 that's important to note. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.840 Indeed, speaking of profit. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.720 An interesting column today in the Daily Telegraph from their 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.880 property reporter Jonathan Chancellor. He's been in the game a 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.560 long time, but he's written about the plan that's going 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.200 to come in at the end of the month for 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.840 foreign buyers to be banned from buying. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.840 Existing homes in Australia. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.719 Now he's mounted the argument that it will make basically 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.680 zero difference to the availability of housing. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.560 In Australia, and he may well be right on that point. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.440 It's only two percent of property, residential property that is 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.080 owned by foreign investors in Australia. Most of that is 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.120 off the plan stuff. It's not existing properties, but in 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.160 the last quarter or the last quarter that we have 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.840 numbers four, which was the first quarter of the financial year. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.280 The September quarter, there was one point three billion dollars 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:06.120 spent by foreign investors on residential property in Australia, and 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.880 that is potentially one point three billion dollars of property 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.720 that Australians otherwise could have bought. So the Coalition mounted 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.320 an election promise in their Budget reply speech last year 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.520 that they would ban foreign investors from buying homes in Australia. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.560 The Labor Party recently matched that. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:24.640 There was some polling done. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.240 I think it was about sixty three percent support for 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:28.760 that idea, so Labor said, well, we. 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.600 Better get on board with this. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:35.199 Chancellor writes actually that you've had an increase in foreign 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.360 investors trying to get into the market anticipating this ban 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:40.880 coming in on. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.080 April the first. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.040 But regardless of whether or not it actually makes a 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.040 substantial difference, I don't see how you can argue it's 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.720 a bad thing, because surely Australian property should be available 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.080 for Australian people. I don't think that's controversial to say, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.720 and my major problem with it is that it doesn't 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.840 go far enough. It bans the purchase of existing properties, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.960 but not off the plan. So if you're a Chinese investor, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.520 and you know, we often talk about Chinese investors because 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.160 they make up at least half of the people spending 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.880 money in this country. But there are people from other 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.280 countries investing in Australia too. But why should you be 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.280 able to come in with all your money and buy 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.320 thirty apartments off the plan and then say well, I'm 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.800 going to put them up for end when they're apartments 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.959 that a first home buyer potentially could have snapped up. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.280 But how are you, as a first home buyer going 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.880 to compete with Richie rich sitting over in China, who 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:34.959 can buy the whole damn. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.840 Building, especially when most sales are by auction nowadays, especially 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.920 if you're anywhere on the East Coast. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.880 It's auction auction option. So richest man wins. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.240 And guess what, foreign investors are extremely wealthy. So you're 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.160 quite right all these missing out. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.080 But why is this ban only for two years? Runs 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:55.480 out in March twenty twenty five. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:56.200 They'll review it. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.320 Not good at yes, then they'll review it. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.200 But this is a national good just to ban it outright? 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.839 Why does it only include new homes as you've rightly asked, Caleb, and. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.880 Why is it not immediate? Real estate agents. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.920 I was on several websites today and they're all saying, great, 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.360 now we've seen this massive uptick in foreign buyers who 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.480 were trying to get on the gravy train before the 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.679 door slam shut on April the first. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:22.520 It should have been immediate. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.079 If you asked me, what would we have missed out 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.800 on by making it immediate. Absolutely nothing except for less 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:33.000 foreign investors snapping up properties that should be going into 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.240 Ossie hands. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.800 It's that clear. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.280 And let's not forget even though this may may not 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.360 make much of a difference, won't even put a dent 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.319 in the housing crisis. Heck, it's a step in the 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:49.800 right direction. This government, all of the government, state and federal, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.240 got together in twenty twenty three and launched this big idea. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:12:00.000 They called it, what was it, the National Housing Accord. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.720 So impressive. We're going to be building twenty. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:08.240 Thousand houses every month for five years straight. We are 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.280 going to build one point two million houses. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.560 That was supposed to kick off in July. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.200 Right know how many new houses have been approved since then, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:18.640 ninety thousand. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.160 We are not putting a dent in it. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.160 They get together, they make these amazing announcements and don't 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.240 deliver on it. In fact, put nothing in place in 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.320 order to ensure that it was even possible. This is 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.720 going to be the same. It's in the lead up 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.559 to an election. It sounds like a very good headline, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.959 but it's temporary. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.400 It doesn't cover off a new homes. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.720 So what about all the new homes that are being 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.000 built during that time? 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.439 They're totally open to foreign investors. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.800 What's the use of even bulking up our supply, which 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.320 we're not doing, but for argument's sake, let's say we 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.079 were when the foreign investors can get their mits on 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:57.640 it first. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.640 Well, this policy is the brainchild of Claire O'Neill, who 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.160 rose to fame as the Home Affairs Ministry. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.000 Remember she and Andrew. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.920 Giles did such a great job bringing a huge number 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.400 of immigrants into our country, which may have had something 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.079 to do with the housing shortage we're now experiencing. She said, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.680 and I quote it's not a silver bullet to the 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.240 housing crisis, because there is no silver bullet. But I 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.240 really firmly believe it's good. She doesn't just believe, she 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.839 really firm yeah, yeah, that given the housing pressures that 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.680 Australians are facing today, we need to orient the entire 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.520 efforts of the Australian government around security of housing for Australians. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.319 It's estimated that this policy will free up about one thousand, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.800 eight hundred homes a year. That's out of about half 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.960 a million that are sold every year. So it really 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.160 is a drop in the ocean. If Claire O'Neill and 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.400 the federal government were serious about solving the housing shortage, 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.640 they'd do something that involved her previous portfolio, which was immigration. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:56.520 Well, and that's the. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.400 Think is there are really only two ways you can 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.720 do anything about this. That is to turn off the 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.160 tap of migration though it should have been turned off 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.880 a long time ago, and increase the supply of homes. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.800 But it is the increased supply that will be up 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.960 for grabs for the foreign investors. So what was the 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.160 point of all that, you know, unless we're saying again 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.000 that everyone must rent forever. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.120 But I don't think as a society we want that 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:20.080 to be the case. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:25.000 But even if it's eighteen hundred and sixteen hundred extra homes, 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.560 you know, that's potentially eighteen hundred and sixteen hundred extra 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.760 new families who have a house to live in that 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.000 they can call their own. I don't care if the 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.440 number is fifty houses. If that means there are fifty 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.280 Australians who have a piece of dirt that they own, 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.920 I think it's a good policy. No one's saying it's 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.120 going to fix the world, but it's a step in 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.880 the right direction. And I think the principle is the 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.640 most important thing here that Australian property should be for 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.680 Australian people. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.480 Oh imagine that an Australian government putting Australians first. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.000 Mind blowing. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:01.400 Speaking of this government, the big question on everyone's minds 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.520 is is alban Easy going to call the election this 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.640 weekend or within the week. It's highly expected. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:15.120 But now with cyclone. I was about to say cyclone elbow. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.360 To cyclone and it. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.080 Was going to be called Anthony, so that they couldn't 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.720 do it. But someone emailed me the other day and said, look, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.480 it's a good thing they didn't call it Anthony, because 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.120 we've already got two s hi t storms going on 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:29.720 in this country at the moment, and one of them 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:30.440 is called Anthony. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.000 But we didn't need a second one with the other 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.160 irony about this is that just the other day, you know, 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.120 they've been tracking the pathway of the cyclone and it 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.640 keeps changing. But at one point they were predicting that 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.480 the cyclone was going to go straight through Peter Dutton's seat. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:45.760 Which is just north of Brisbane. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.800 So could you imagine cyclone Anthony going through Dutton's electric. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:50.480 Just destroying it. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.920 Very symbolic Alfrid cyclone. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.880 Alfred so alban Easy of course has been asked about 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:57.440 this here. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:58.880 He was earlier. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.200 Today on Sky being like like, oh, the election, last 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:03.800 thing on my mind right now. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.280 You couldn't call an election in the face of a 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.440 natural disaster like this. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.120 That's just not going to I mean that will that 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.480 would be a tiny which you don't have, that would 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:14.560 that couldn't happen. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.520 Surely, Kieran, I'm focused on not on votes. I'm focused 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:25.960 on lives. I'm focused on Australians and Australians showing our character. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:26.880 At this debuilt time. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.280 You know what I've been focused on, Kieren is governing. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.800 We have a budget that we're prepared for and we 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.360 put out the time. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:38.880 Sounds like you're delivering the budget. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.960 Well, we put out the timetable of that last year. Karen, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:44.200 what a line. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.840 I'm not focused on votes, I'm focused on lie. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.520 See the smirk on his face when he says I 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.280 came up with a good line. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.360 A good line, feet right, I did. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.240 There's some staff sitting in the PM's office being like nailed. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.240 I thought he was laughing because he's like, are they 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.160 really going to buy this? And then say I'm focused 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.080 on governing? Or did he say at some point I'll 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:06.960 get around to governing. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.520 I could. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.360 He's focused on governing, not campaigning. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.080 This isn't about compaining this could. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.639 I think it very much depends on how big of 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.679 a natural disaster this turns out to be. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.600 You're talking about his prime ministership or you're talking about it. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.280 We already know that that's a very very natural disaster, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.920 huge fallout from that one. But if in fact cyclone 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.840 Alfred turns out to be as we all hope so, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.120 not as detrimental as some are projecting. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.320 These things are highly unpredictable. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.320 You just never know until when and where it hits 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.000 how bad it's going to be. Of course, if it 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.600 does turn into a proper national emergency, he'd be totally 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:51.880 teneed to call it. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:53.560 And if it turns out to. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.520 Be, say, a really bad storm and not that many 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.600 people are homeless, et cetera, and so on, I reckon 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.920 he will go for all. This momentum has been building 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.679 for a Sunday announcement. So as we said earlier when 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.600 we were discussing this off air, poor. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:09.560 Guy's damned if he doesn't. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.840 Damned if he doesn't, because if he doesn't, everyone will 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.040 be like what a cower. Now he's just using this 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.000 as an excuse to put it off for as long 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.119 as he can, And if he does, everyone will be like, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.040 how could you While Australia is grieving and we've got 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.640 floods and we've got. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.440 So there really is no win here for Albany's. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:31.879 But you've got to tell you is what you were 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.520 telling us a fair about someone you know in Queensland 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.280 who they're facing the storm is approaching, but they had 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:39.639 a really good take on the election. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:40.040 Yeah. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:40.720 Absolutely. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.960 So I got in touch with my aunt who's born 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.239 and bred a Brisbane girl, and I was like, are 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.280 you battening down the hatches? How's it all going? You know, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.960 Brisbane's set to be hit thinking of you guys, she says, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.600 my main concern is that alban Easy is going to 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.840 use this to put off the election and he won't 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.359 announce it after. So there you go, straight out of 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.919 the mouth of a Queenslander. They do not want this 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.399 used as an excuse. Very small poll there, one person, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:09.680 but it's still I'm rolling with it. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.520 Able to Let's say he does call an election, right 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.240 the cyclone hits and there's flooding and stuff, and he says, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.520 by the way, we're going to the polls on April twelve. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.639 Aside from the media going oh it's bad form and 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.320 the optics aren't good, it doesn't affect anybody's life. It 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.520 doesn't stop the cleanup, It doesn't change anything for anybody. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.760 It gives us some certainty about when the election will be, 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.760 which would be nice rather than this ongoing speculation. So 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.680 I really don't see a problem if in the middle 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.280 of the disaster cleanup or whatever, he says, by the way, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:41.639 in a few weeks we're going to the polls. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:42.399 What's the problem. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.960 I think the fact that people are hooing and harring 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.240 about it is pathetic. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.199 Really, what does it matter? Like? 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.200 It will not make one iota of difference to anyone's 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.000 life if he makes the call. Actually it'll make a 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.160 difference if he doesn't make the call, because it means 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.159 we'll have him the longer as Prime minister. But it's 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.160 not actually going to make it difference to anyone's life 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.320 in Queensland or Northern New South Wales or wherever if 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.040 he makes the call on the weekend or not. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:07.000 I mean, are you. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.800 Really telling me that if someone's had their roof ripped 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.280 off and Albert Ezy gets up on Sunday and after 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.119 the WA election on Saturday announces there'll be a federal 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.960 election that they'll be standing to go Albo, how dare 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.440 you call an election in my roof has being ripped off. 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.760 I think they'll be more concerned with the roof than 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.240 they will with Alban Easy making any sort of announcement. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.880 But it happens often on both sides of politics. 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.800 And they tried to do it to Dutton this week 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.879 as well, because he was in Sydney on Tuesday. He 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.919 came down for a fundraiser with Justin Hems and he 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.840 met up with a property developer for lunch. And you've 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.119 got the AFI today and a few other outlets running 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.959 these articles making it sound like it was scurrilous in 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.320 some way that Peter Dutton had come to Sydney on 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.840 Tuesday because he's a Queenslander when it was known that 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.159 the cyclone was on the way here, he should have 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.560 been back in Queensland doing what like standing the coast, 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:05.040 going and trying to stop the cyclone from coming. Like 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.520 he went back to Queensland yesterday. He was talking to 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.879 Chris Kenny from his house on Wednesday evening. What do 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.360 you expect to do? We're in a quasi election campaign. 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.119 I've got to stop campaigning because there's a cyclone on 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:18.360 the book. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.600 Well, let's imagine the cyclone is an absolute fizzer, right, 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.600 it's just a bit of a storm. Will the Australing 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.200 Financial Review then give Peter Dutton credit for a brilliant 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:30.239 judgement like he knew it, master stroke. This guy has 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.679 incredible insight. I think it's a bigger problem for Anthony 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.639 Alberonizi actually, because if he calls the election in the 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.600 middle of a disaster cleanup, he's not going to get 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.919 the coverage and the headlines that you would be banking on. 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.439 When you make that announcement, you're trying to get the 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.160 momentum straight away with yourself. If he makes that announcement 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.560 in the middle of a disaster, paradically. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:52.800 It might actually be the best time to do it, 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.959 because what's he really got to go to an election 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.399 roit So if he starts the whole thing off without 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.280 actually having to talk about chip might be better for it. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.520 Yeah, you're right, bring it on a lot of hot 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:04.360 air either way. 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.760 Let's talk about council because oftentimes on the late debate 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.720 we talk about stupid things councils are doing. But Blacktown 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.440 Council here in Sydney have come up with a great 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.960 idea that I think we can all get behind. They 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:22.160 have a new policy that bans counselors from debating international 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:27.040 politics and overseas conflicts, and it demands that the council 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:33.040 maintain a mutual stance on all international affairs. Now this 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.679 is welcome news because you've got in a West Council 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.440 here in Sydney that had to have police called when 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.280 the Greens moved the motion to ban the council from 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.159 associating with any companies that dealt with Israel. You had 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.920 the City of Sydney move a similar motion and debate 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.440 that you had the Willara Council who they actually moved 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.840 the motion to change the street name on which the 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:59.800 Russian consulate was located. They changed it from Fullerton Street 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.320 to Ukraine Street. See what they did there. And then 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.960 Cumberland Council they had a massive debate over whether or 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.480 not they should fly the Lebanese flag out the front 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:13.440 of the council chambers in support of Palestine. They used 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:18.360 ratepayer money to erect a monument for children killed in Palestine, 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.800 and of course no one is happy about kids being killed, 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:23.720 but again, what's that got. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.440 To do with rates, roads and rubbish. 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.800 So the councilors at Blacktown have decided we have a 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.040 policy we don't debate international affairs, we don't take a 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:38.120 position on international conflicts. The only people opposing this idea, 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.800 can you guess, the Greens who say it will limit 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.919 free speech, But of course it doesn't limit free speech. 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.119 The only reason that these councilors have a platform to 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.560 pontificate on all these sorts of issues is because someone 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:55.399 elected them to fill potholes, and then they disrespect the 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.160 station they're being given to use it to talk about 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.400 all other things that are really not their purview. Peter Kamaliy, 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.880 a councilor Blacktown, said, we have one hundred and eighty 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.520 eight nationalities of residents living in Blacktown, which does seem 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.800 a lot considering I think there's one hundred and ninety 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:13.880 six countries. 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.440 Maybe they have one for me, So. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.520 They're going to have to rename it from Blacktown to 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:19.280 everyone Town. 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:20.960 It would have seen that way, but they've got one 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.320 hundred and eighty eight nationalities of residents living in Blacktown, 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.119 and anything that asks us to pick aside when you 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:28.680 have one hundred and eighty eight points of view will 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:32.639 only ever divide, not unite fair enough. 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.439 There's a couple of things I like about this. 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:38.360 First, I think obviously it will help counselors to focus. 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.960 And I know local government is pretty boring. It's mowing 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:46.760 the lawn, filling in potholes, collecting bins, but it would 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.400 be good for them the focus on those things because 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.640 those things typically don't get done, but they find time 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.480 to debate all sorts of things from overseas. And Second, 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.240 calib I reckon it would weed out some of these 0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.680 people that run for local government, and maybe we would 0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:03.000 end up people who are there to actually represent residents 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.399 rather than activists who aren't quite good enough to make 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.119 it in the state or federal politics, like you know, 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:12.480 like security guards who couldn't make the police force, but 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.360 I got into security of course standing outside kmart. And 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.880 so they use a council platform to grandstand and fulfill 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:25.440 their dream of you know, pontificating about international affairs. 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:26.679 Get rid of those people. 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.639 Of course, I hope you don't run into any caman 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.240 security guards anytime soon that you might have to pay 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:31.880 for saying that. 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:33.760 But I mean this should be pro former. 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:37.280 Every council should just do this now. Of course they 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.600 won't do it because they're not there just to worry 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:41.800 about roads rates and rubbish many of them. 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.120 And like you say, you know, it may be boring, 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:45.800 but it's really important. 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.600 I mean, these are things that we deal with every 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.679 single day, driving on the roads, walking through the parks, 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.480 having our rubbish empty. This is stuff that is arguably 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.119 in many ways more important than stuff that our federal 0:25:58.119 --> 0:25:59.679 and state politicians are dealing with. 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.840 Big How does it affects your everyday life? 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:05.840 It is important, But what was your list of things 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:06.840 you had there before? 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.280 Who was it put? Change the street to Ukraine. 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.800 It was the Willara Council war solved. 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:12.960 What else did you have there? 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.720 We had the Cumberland councils erected a monument to children 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.800 who have died in Palestine because of the Gaza conflict. 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.440 Waring Gaza solved. What else we've got? 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:24.720 Inner West? Do you still live in the West? 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:25.199 You used to? 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.120 They actually had to have police called to the council 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.359 chambers to quieten down the crowd when the Greens moved 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.680 a motion to cut ties with Israel. 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.800 There you go, warring Ghaza solved again by two councils 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.400 in Sydney. I mean, do you think that her Maas 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.200 is sitting there, you know, hanging on tinderhooks to hear 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.560 what the Inner West Council did in Sydney. 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.280 Oh my god, it's all over. 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.080 We're going to have to do something now, Oh Israel. 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.879 Benjamin Detnya who's sitting there in his office, going, oh 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.840 my god, the Inner West Council's not going to have 0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.320 any relations whether it's anymore, we'd better call off these war. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.679 I mean, these are people so often who have risen 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:08.119 above this station in life. They are neighborhood busybodies, who 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.600 get elected often on two hundred votes, and then they think, oh, 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:13.200 I'm so important and high and. 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:14.880 Mighty, and I can talk about everything. 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.840 If you want to do that, go into real politics, 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.040 go to state policies, go to federal politics. You'll probably 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.520 get two hundred votes there as well. But just stick 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:23.320 to your knitting. 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:23.880 Please. 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.879 Well, even then, if you're in state or federal, again, 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.119 this is kind of none of your business. These national 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.800 wars on the other side of the world, and they're like, oh, 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:37.080 I'm very self indulgent, so here's my five cents, and 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:37.720 we're all. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.400 Like, nobody's listening to you. 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:40.600 Nobody cares. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.240 Doesn't matter if you're in federal, state, or local government. 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.680 It just gets funnier the further down the food chain 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.719 that you get. But probably for the first time in 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.240 well since the foundations of the earth were laid, the 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.480 Greens may have a point here in terms of it 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.560 incurring upon free speech, because what the counselor has done 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.800 is not just applied this to their council meetings, but 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.880 to counsel properties. We read in this article the policy 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.879 also extends to public council lands such as Main Street 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:14.760 in Blacktown, Blacktown Showground, and the Blacktown Civic Center, meaning 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.720 any private or public event deemed as touching on international 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:24.120 politics would be refused. So you are now gagging the 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:29.560 entirety of your electorate that they can't in the public 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.600 places within Blacktown. Council be allowed. 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:37.000 To discuss these issues. Either they can't hire the town hall, they. 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:41.040 Can't gather safe a protest on main Street in Blacktown. 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:46.320 This is a massive no. And if you're living in Blacktown, 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.080 you should absolutely make sure that your council amends this 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:54.760 because it does absolutely trash the rights of everyone living 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:55.840 within their borders. 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:57.840 If you want to run a private function at the 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.160 town hall and you can afford to hire it, you 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.560 can celebrate I don't know, Chinese New Year or festival 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:04.520 of whatever. 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.640 Nothing wrong with that. You should be allowed to do that. 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.280 So in the council chambers, yeah, no international stuff. But 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.640 if you want to privately hire a public facility, you 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:15.440 should be allowed to do that. 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.640 Yeah, fair point. Just counselors, keep your mouth shut. If 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.760 they had kept their mouth shots a little bit. 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.280 Maybe they wouldn't have gone that far with this. I mean, 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.400 you know, bager everything up. Stop baggering everything up, will 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:27.000 you please? 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.160 It's interesting polling out of the UK on an ethical quandary, 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:35.200 which is the idea of having wombs outside of a woman. 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.239 So we're talking about an artificial womb here that you 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.920 could have a baby growing in right now. This has 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.600 been done developmentally in the United States with the aim of. 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.560 It being used for premi babies. That's the aim. That's 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.040 not to say that, of course, at some. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.720 Point in the future there will be an argument mounted, well, 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.840 we should now be able to have children without actually 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:01.280 having children in a human being. Everything stuf with good intentions, 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.160 but it doesn't always end up there. This is from 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:05.680 the Telegraph in London. 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:06.360 They say. 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.000 In a study commissioned by THEOS, a think tank that 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.560 studies religious and social issues, twenty two hundred and ninety 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.080 eight people were asked whether they would support growing a 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:20.360 fetus entirely outside of a woman's body. So we're not 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.720 talking about what it's been designed for here, which is 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.160 for premi babies entirely outside of a woman's body. Overall, 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.880 only twenty one percent of people were supportive, with fifty 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.280 two percent opposing the idea. Those who identified as religious 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.760 were even less likely to support it. Unsurprisingly, while women 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:42.400 were less supportive than men, perhaps more interestingly, but it 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.800 does say all age groups were more likely to oppose 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:50.520 rather than support, the idea, apart from those aged eighteen 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.400 to twenty four, of whom forty two percent supported it 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.960 and thirty two percent opposed the concept. So I don't 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.080 know where the young people lining up to say they'd 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.280 be more likely to have kids if they didn't actually 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:04.840 have to have kids. 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:06.960 I don't think it would increase birth rates. 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:08.960 Well, you couldn't call it birth rates, could you, because 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:10.760 you're not actually giving birth. I don't think would make 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.000 a look of difference to people actually having kids, because 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:14.560 that's economic factors that get in the. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:14.920 Way of that. 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.840 But I was really interested in the fact that it 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.760 said women were less supportive than men of this, because 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.160 you would have thought logically women might be more likely 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:26.520 to say, well, I don't want to go through all 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.200 the pain and whatever of childbirth. I think what it 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:33.880 proves is when push comes to shove, naturally women want 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.440 to have children. And as much as we've tried to 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:40.200 deny this reality in recent times, of course, every woman 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.000 has to go to work now, and then you must 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.239 go straight back into the workforce after you've had a kid, 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:48.760 et cetera. I think this proves that innately people actually 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.480 want to have kids of their own, natural kids. 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.720 I think mothers also understand that, you know, you can 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.880 have a baby in a bag, which is literally what 0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.320 they're calling this technology, instead of a baby in a 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.360 woman's baby in a bag, and it provides all of 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.840 the logistical features that would be part of a womb, 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.240 but it doesn't provide the breathing of the mother, or 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:10.720 the heartbeat of the mother. 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.080 Or the voice of the mother. 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.640 And remember when I adopted our children from Ethiopia and 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:17.440 we talked to. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:23.960 What do you call doctors who deal with babies, pediatricians, pediatricians. 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.240 They are explaining, you know, for our kids. 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.400 Who were carried by their birth mother for nine months, 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.520 but they're never heard her voice ever. Again, that's a 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.760 real tragedy for a baby who's born for nine months 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.000 have become familiar with that voice. And then we were 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.520 told when we adopted our kids, don't hand them around 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.400 to other people because the kids don't know who mum 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.360 and dad are. They've got to become familiar with your 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.480 voice because they've never heard it before. And I've never 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.600 really considered that in the womb. It's more than just 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:58.360 the logistical facility that the womb provides. But it's the mother, 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.640 it's her voice, it's her heartbeat. Is why you hold 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.200 a baby close to your chest right, and that soothes 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.640 and comforts the baby because it's used to hearing that breath, 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.800 feeling that heartbeat. There's a lot more than just the mechanics. Oh, 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.000 there's the human connection that is really important. And maybe 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.400 the reason the young people are most inclined to support 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.840 growing babies in bags is because they don't appreciate that. 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.920 And don't they say, especially with young men, your brain 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.880 is not fully developed until you turn twenty five. And 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.000 as the parent of two nineteen year old boys, I'm 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.480 sure that is true. Maybe that's why eighteen to twenty 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.480 four year olds are in support of this and don't 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:34.840 understand their ramifications. 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:35.160 Yeah. 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:39.400 Indeed, Also, pregnancy is something that I mean, just earlier, Caleb, 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.000 you're referring to it as who wants to avoid the 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:47.640 pain and that I haven't yet experienced it, but I 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.960 know many people who have. Pregnancy for many is really 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.320 really magical. You is the most beautiful, wholesome thing. This 0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:01.000 is the circle of life. You are literally the source 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.080 supplying life to the world, and you've got this little 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:05.560 person growing inside of you. 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.040 It's not talked. 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.719 Up enough, and I think that's deliberate. It's part of 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.600 every time you see people discussing pregnancy or being a mother, 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:19.520 or it's always negative press unless you're just listening to 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.560 usually god loving influences online who are like, being a 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.480 mum's the best thing ever. This brought so much purpose, 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.040 so much joy into my life. And I'm not surprised 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.759 that it's the younger generations. It's gen Z that's the 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.520 most okay with this idea of baby in a bag 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:39.439 because they've grown up watching all these futuristic I mean, 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.160 how many probably don't watch the same movies as them, 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:46.360 but how many movies have we seen whereby these babies 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:50.280 are being made in these giant labs. It's a whole 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:56.280 like Eldest Husk Huxley, what was it, Free World, Brave 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.319 New Well, that's it where Yeah, these babies are now 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.200 just pumped out. No one's pregnant. This is how we 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.680 bring life into the world now. And when you talk 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.319 about playing god. You may have heard about IVF, but 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.400 check this out. They're now talking about IVG. You're about 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:18.440 to hear from a doctor called Aaron Kerriati. He's a bioethicist, 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.400 and what he has to say, we'll go get here. 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.520 So many in the LGBT community who want to have 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.839 a biologically related child. Two men who could potentially use 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.720 IVG for reproducing a child who's genetically related to both 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.040 parents of the same sex. The other thing that has 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:38.719 been proposed some people have talked about so called multiplex parenting. 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.360 You could use IVG to create two embryos, use the 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.480 IVG technique again to create sperm and eggs, and then 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.600 create yet a third embryo. Now you have essentially what 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.440 is genetically a grandchild. 0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.279 And they murder the two other enbrands. 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.560 Exactly, and you can do this as many iterations as 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:56.040 you wanted. 0:35:58.560 --> 0:35:59.319 How's that? 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.080 I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable what they are getting up 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.840 getting up to in labs these days, unbeknownst to the 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.719 rest of us. But now you know before we go 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.000 to an ad break to Victoria quickly now. 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:14.200 Where Premiagor Center. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:18.360 Alan has refused three times to say that the justice 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:22.000 system in Victoria does have her trust. 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:23.640 Check out this transcript. 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.360 We tried to get you the audio, but it was 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:29.239 too poor quality to show you, so I'll read it 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.040 out for you. This reporter asked her today, do you 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.960 have absolute trust in our courts? 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.480 This, of course is after quite a. 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.880 Few bungles in the courts have come to light in 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.640 the headlines. She said, I think it's important that we 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.920 have confidence in our justice system that's supporting the community, 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.759 and that is why we are bringing charges to the 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.560 Victorian Changes rather to the Victorian Parliament. 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:53.680 The reporter pressed to a second time. 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.440 You said it's important that we have confidence in the 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:57.240 justice system. 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.760 But do you have confidence in the system? 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:04.359 Alan replied, Victorians want to see the laws strengthened. 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.840 We've been listening to Victorians. 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.359 It's important that the community does have confidence in our 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.280 system as a whole. Our court system is working hard. 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:18.600 The reporter hats off tries a third time. Do you 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:23.719 have confidence in the court system? Alan's reply, I think 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.239 that it's very important that we respect all of the 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.440 independent agencies that make up our justice system. 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.600 We need to strengthen the law. 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:38.360 Just say no, lady, just say no, because you cannot 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.359 justify what's gone on in recent months. Victorians are sick 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.320 of reading the headlines. We're sick of talking about the headlines. 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.000 People being out on bail when they shouldn't be, etc. 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:48.920 And so on. 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:53.360 She can't just say, look, clearly changes. 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:53.960 Need to be made. 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.160 The public's been disappointed in recent times. 0:37:58.280 --> 0:37:58.920 Just be honest. 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:00.000 I think it's an old ad. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.239 Don't answer the question you're asked, answer the question you 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.120 wish you were asked. And she played that to perfection. 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:07.640 We're going to go to a break. When we come back, 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.920 we look at what's making news tomorrow, including a dramatic 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.000 arrest at Avalon Airport in Victoria, a teenager gets onto 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.440 a jet staff flight with a loaded shotgun. All of 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:21.880 that and more in a moment. Well, the biggest story 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.200 in the country is, of course, the cyclone bearing down 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.520 on southeast Queensland and Liz. Most of the papers tomorrow 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:28.680 have that on their front page. 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.080 They are, indeed, most notably, of course, the Courier male 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:37.319 stay alert calls as cyclone slows waiting for alf The 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:41.000 splash reads we're on a nickname basis with this cyclone. 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.920 Already the four million people who live in the warning 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.920 zone for Cyclone Alfred have been urged not to become 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:50.680 complacent with the storm still very much on its way 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:55.359 and still packing a punch. The Gold Coast Bulletin says 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.000 the Premiere. The acting mayor and police chief are incredulous 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.719 as resident failed to heed warnings to avoid beaches coasting 0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:07.560 to a cyclone. I've seen some footage of that. If 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.400 you ever doubted that OSSI's are a raisy, you won't 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:16.600 after seeing that footage. And lastly, the Australians stalking stalling 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:21.800 the water torture begins cyclone Alfred's erratic slowdown could trigger 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:25.480 a five day flooding disaster as residents in seven thousand 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:29.040 northern New South Wales homes were ordered to flee with 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:33.400 just hours noticed on tonight, and more than four million 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.160 Queenslanders braced for. 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.480 Its projected wrath. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.239 Here's hoping, like you said earlier, Mac, this this is 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.560 more of a whisper than a scream, but only time 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:45.080 will tell. 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.800 Yeah, And of course Southeast Queensland hasn't had a cyclone. 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:50.879 I think it's fifty years since they had one. 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:54.759 So's seventy years actually, but seventy And of course that 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.960 the trouble now is if they're talking about it's not 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.400 going to be you know, one potentially just the cyclone 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.640 hits and it going to be really aggressive in one go, 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.480 you end up with days and days and days of flooding. 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.799 But which is actually worse. 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.160 In that situation if you're sitting there, which are you 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.240 more likely to put up with the one and done 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.279 or just dealing with all of this torrential rain coming 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.080 in because of course the cyclone. 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.719 The wind where you live well, exactly because the winds of. 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.719 The cyclone might rip your roof off or whatever. Flooding 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.160 could potentially do a lot more damage to. 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:25.000 A lot more people. 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.719 But of course keep in mind, as we told you 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.720 last night, the official advice from. 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:31.719 The Bureau of Meteorology is. 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.960 That if you are leaving your home to avoid this 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.440 flooding and cyclone, make sure you take a COVID nineteen 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.279 mask and hand sanitize. 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.319 It with you because you have to be COVID safe. Yes, 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.400 that was real. If you missed the show last. 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.760 Night, very very important. Let's go to the front page 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.319 of the Herald Sun. Incredible events at Avlon Airport in 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:55.960 Melbourne Airport shotgun, shot gun, horror, terror on the tarmac, 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.680 reads the headline. A hero Shearer can always trust sheep 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.480 sheer as they're good people. Hero Sira has dragged down 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.480 a teenager with a loaded shotgun in Victoria's most dramatic 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.799 airport security incident in years. Major investigations were underway last 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.480 night after the weapon, tooting seventeen year olds somehow made 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.840 his way onto a jet staff flight at Avlon Airport. 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.160 A security source said there were fears of what was 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.320 to come. Video showed the moment the team was restrained 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.600 on the Sydney bound plane at two fifty pm. We've 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.000 got some footage here that we can show you. That's 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.640 the teenager who's just been restrained by another passenger who 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:32.760 apparently was a sheep sheer on his way to Sydney 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:37.759 to watch an AFL game. He jumped on top of 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.680 the guy and held. 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.480 Him down along with the pilot. And so you can 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:43.000 see that there. 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.600 Apparently, according to the paper, this guy you can see 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.759 he's wearing a high visvest. He's got a tool belt 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:51.239 around his waist. He allegedly parked his car near a 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:56.040 security fence, got through the fence, walked brazenly across the tarmac, 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.560 up the stairs to the cabin of the aircraft and 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.080 said he was there to do maintenance work, which people 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.560 found a little strange. And then it got stranger when 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.400 he opened his vest and had a loaded shotgun. Thanks 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:12.520 to the quick thinking of that other passenger, he was, 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.760 as you saw, restrained. God knows what might have happened 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.319 if that passenger hadn't acted well. 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:20.719 I mean, you know, talk about toolbox to blow. He's 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.960 a tool clearly, but just imagine the fact he could 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:28.480 get through the fence in the first place is really scary, 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:30.960 and that he got that close to a plane because 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:32.799 you like to think, you know, in the post nine 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.160 to eleven world, we've got all this bloody security when 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.320 you go to the airport, so you can't even breathe 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.680 in an airport without someone tapping you on the shoulder 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.440 to tell you you're doing the wrong thing. And he managed 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.960 to get through a fence with a shotgun. But that 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.799 bloke who put him in a headlock, if he's not 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.799 up for some sort of bravery award or Australian of 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.680 the Year or something that is a real fair di. 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.000 Income ossie, is it not? 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.040 Because we all like to think that in a situation 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.880 like that, we would be brave enough to intervene and 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:05.320 do something. But most people I think would be looking 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.600 for a new set of underwear. If a bloke walked 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.640 onto a plane with a shotgun like. 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:14.080 You wouldn't know what to do. Most people would freeze. 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.279 And he said, no, I're going to save all these 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.360 people on this plane and get the bloke in a headlocked, 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:19.240 dead set legend. 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:21.400 We might have two nominees for Australia of the Year 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.680 because of course after the break will show a South 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:27.560 Australian bloke who absolutely let a guy who is assaulting 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.320 a woman in Rundle Moore have it, will show you 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.200 the vision of that a little later. 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.040 I suspect there will be a lot more to come 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.680 on this story though. How did he get there? What 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:39.640 was his plan? That could have been so much worse? 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.280 Let's go to the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.280 at says five zero civil servants live into state. 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:46.720 What's going on here? 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.280 More than seven four hundred New South Wales public servants 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.000 live in other states or overseas, with some of the 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:58.320 most senior bureaucrats sorry getting taxpayer funded travel to Sydney 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.440 for work. Well, some of that legitimately live in border 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:05.080 towns that service. Nearby New South Wales Town's Premier, Chris Mins, 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:09.160 has acknowledged that too many public servants are taking tax 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:13.279 payers for a ride. I'm actually in two minds about this, 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:18.000 because it's not unusual in business to have a CEO 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.640 or whatever of a business who actually lives in Adelaide, 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.840 but he flies up to Sydney during the week because 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.000 that's where their offices are. And of course the public 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.239 service would want to attract the best people. And if 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.760 the best person happens to be in Adelaide of Brisbane 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.520 or wherever, and they're willing to travel to Sydney during 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.680 the week for work, you go, okay, well that kind 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:38.799 of makes sense. But then I also think, if you're 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.400 working in the public service and you're serving a particular state, 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.400 do you not need to have some kind of connection 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.120 to that state to really understand the job. 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:48.719 I don't know. 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.720 I'm actually I'm sitting on the fence. I've got splinters 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:50.880 in me. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.560 Bum On this way, we found an instance in which 0:44:53.560 --> 0:45:01.440 you're open to people working from home, the ones. 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.120 The ones who travel to Sydney. I'm okay with working 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:05.000 from home. I'm not so. 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.759 At first reading, it sounds that's ridiculous. But we don't 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.719 know what those roles entail. We don't know whether it's 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:15.719 a highly specialized role where someone living into state or 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.400 in fact overseas is able to use the Internet to 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.480 do their job and New South Wales is getting good value. 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.600 Without those details, it's a bit hard to judge. 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.040 Yeah, and you can imagine, you know, someone on holiday 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.080 in Italy logging on doing their work. 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:29.719 I'm actually sure it goes on quick. 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.520 Do you hear about that guy at an airport speaking 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:32.880 of working from home and soon he was in the 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.640 middle of a work teams meeting. He had Skype on 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:37.759 and he put his phone in the tray to go 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.439 through the X ray thing while the meeting was still 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.160 being broadcast on his phone. 0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.799 Dear me very quickly before we go to a great 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.200 Another story on the front of the Telly Tomorrow preachers 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:51.120 visa torn up by Burke, a controversial preacher sit to 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.000 visit Australia to speak at events in Sydney and Melbourne. 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.560 Weeks after he attended the funeral of slain his BLA 0:45:56.640 --> 0:46:00.799 leader has An Israela has had his visa canceled and 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.439 that of course followed Cherry marks and breaking that story 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:07.360 exclusively here on Sky News last night. Good thing that 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.520 his visa's been canceled. Rather curious that it was allowed 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:11.280 in the first place. 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.799 Indeed, we're gonna go to a break after the break. 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:16.440 Our second nominee for Australian of the Year. A football 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.839 fan in Rundell Mall, Adelaide saves a woman from being 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.640 assaulted with a classic AFL hip and shoulder. 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:23.640 That's coming up in a moment. 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:25.640 Adelaide. 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.239 Well, a great story about a citizens arrest in Rundell Mall, 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.480 Adelaide today. There was a football fan sitting in the 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:38.040 mall just quietly enjoying his lunch. Port Adelaide fan. And 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:39.960 if you know anything about Port Adelaide, one of their 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.840 toughest players was Byron Pickett, also played for North Melbourne, 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.200 but he was famous for the good old hip and shoulder. 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:47.160 He's Byron Pickett. 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.280 He's got a man out one instead. 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.399 So this Port Adelaide supporter is sitting in Rundell Mall 0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.160 just thinking about the AFLCS and to come and his 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.160 favorite player, Byron Pickett, when he notices a woman being 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.680 assaulted by a man in the mall. And so what 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:10.320 does he do, he puts into action his AFL dreams 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.719 and he gives the guy a good old fashioned hip 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.120 and shoulder, knocking him beautifully down. Police are quickly on 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.480 the scene to make an arrest. The guy was charged 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.520 with AsSalt and possession of an ice pipe, but the 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.400 hip and shoulder didn't go unnoticed. Port Adelaide Football Club 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.560 have invited the guy to come down to the club 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.480 and meet all the players, and the South Australian Premier 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.719 has said he wants to host that gentleman in a 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:37.360 corporate box at an AFL game between Port Adelaide and Hawthorne. 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.799 I must say Caleb and I were joking during the 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.120 break that the guy who caught the assailant with the 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.239 hip and shoulder was a Port Adelaide supporter. But if 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.000 you know anything about Port Adelaide, maybe the assailant was 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.440 also a Port Adelaide supporter. 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:50.840 Yeah, it's quite possible, Quite possible. 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:52.160 I would have thought, I want to see how many 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.120 teeth they've got collectively. 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:55.320 What a legiend. 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:59.919 What a legend again, A real Aussie fan, income bloke 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.040 getting in there, getting a job done. 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:02.800 A good bump. 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:04.920 It was a really good bump. I just wish he 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:05.920 was a Crow's supporter. 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.040 But you know, to be fair, now that we've slagged 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.839 off the Port supporters, most Crow supporters are probably too 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:11.279 old to. 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:12.839 Do a hip and shoulder like that. You know. 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:17.359 The thing is the joke banning everybody tonight Dom they're 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.520 too scared to go. I can say this is a crost, 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.759 but the joke is that it's all nanasu go along 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:23.840 to the footy and put blankets over there, knees and 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.239 eat apricots slice. That's what they say about us, Paul 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.000 Crow supporters before we go. How good is this? This 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.640 is a real proper Ossi politician getting around in his 0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:37.440 ossie car. You might remember the Ford Ltd. This is 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:42.680 his nineteen seventy nine Ford Ltd V eight that he 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.600 has done up Royd Butler independent MP here in New 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.080 South Wales as his campaign car. He's getting around his 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.200 electorate in a V eight. We were lamenting recently, James, 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.440 the fact that there are basically no V eights around anymore. 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.600 He's got a map of the electorate from the bonnet. 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.040 Doesn't get any more ossie than that. 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:00.640 Its brilliant. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.399 Well, that's all we've got time for stick around Coming 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.560 up is the readA Penney Show and everyone in Queensland 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:06.320 stay safe.