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Speaker 1: Can I ask a bit of quest I was thinking

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Speaker 2: I want to get into the Flopham was like a

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Speaker 2: great players. It would have been Rod Stewart. He've got

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Speaker 2: to turn out some of this roster.

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Speaker 1: My chief got so bad.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, a little bit to get through here,

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Speaker 2: coops before we talk about everything. Thoughts overall as a game,

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Speaker 2: as far as state of origins and quality of the contest,

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Speaker 2: What did you think? Not great? Really not great? I

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Speaker 2: loved it. I really enjoyed the game.

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Speaker 1: The second half I enjoyed. I think the first half,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of punners out there, there was not

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Speaker 1: a lot of hope. And I think they, you know,

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Speaker 1: after the whole incident, which we're going to get to

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Speaker 1: with Sulite you getting sent off. But I just think

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Speaker 1: they completely lost their way. They took a long time

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Speaker 1: to adjust to the situation, and then by the time

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Speaker 1: they had, the game was too far gone.

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Speaker 2: I thought, I mean, thirty eight tens at school line.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk generally here. I thought, that's really no indication

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Speaker 2: of the effort of New South Wales on once they went.

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Speaker 2: Once they skipped more than ten points clear Coeensland to

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Speaker 2: sort of break the spirit of New South Wales. I

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Speaker 2: work in double time, but I did enjoy the game.

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Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy the result, but I really admire the

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Speaker 2: way that New South Wales dug in under the circumstances

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Speaker 2: and what they had to endure. Right, let's let's let's

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Speaker 2: talk about it then, Okay, what were you know? We're

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Speaker 2: talking about the crucial players and the big moments and

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Speaker 2: the most obvious ones. Is Joseph Swali's and off. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was the right call in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: it was you don't think so?

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Speaker 1: I think I heard the commentator say, I think in

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Speaker 1: a general game, he needs to go state of origin.

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Speaker 1: And I know, like in theory from a welfare point

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Speaker 1: difference whether it's state of origin or a normal game.

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Speaker 1: But in my opinion, I think what Joseph did was careless,

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Speaker 1: but it was an intent to knock someone out. And

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Speaker 1: you know, although Whilsh went off, they get the eighteenth

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Speaker 1: man and so when Cobo comes on, I just I

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Speaker 1: just think that he definitely deserved ten of the bin.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think you, especially seven minutes in a game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you make such a big decision to

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Speaker 1: send him off, and basically, although they had a lot

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Speaker 1: after that call.

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Speaker 2: I think it was the right call. At the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, you sue the force of which you

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Speaker 2: hit couldn't come him back onto the park. I think

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Speaker 2: everything that's been going on in the game, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter whether it's green final day, State of Origin matches,

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Speaker 2: you know, or round three on a cold Saturday afternoon,

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Speaker 2: Is you hit someone like that, it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a sendoff if you keeps thinking about it. Is with Ruth,

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Speaker 2: come on those sweep shapes. That's the I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: the way to defend him by rushing outside him. But

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Speaker 2: outside in defense there's a really there's a thin margin

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Speaker 2: of error, and you just saw that like it really

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Speaker 2: close to being a really effective top line tackle. But

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Speaker 2: of course, when you're going at that speed, if reeslower

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Speaker 2: is a little bit, you're going to get him in

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Speaker 2: the head. And that's the risk you take.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I think. Fatty said that at half times,

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Speaker 1: well he said as the Queens and he said, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you should have been sent up because you

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Speaker 1: see Joseph drops his head and he's going to hit

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Speaker 1: active ducking down makes him.

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Speaker 2: If you watch though Reese, I apologize sorry Joseph for

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Speaker 2: a split second that he just takes his eyes off Reese.

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Speaker 2: He's not watching him, and that's dangerous as well. And

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Speaker 2: that doesn't give him I mean, the speed at which

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Speaker 2: he went outside in wasn't going to give him reaction

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Speaker 2: time for rest dropping anyway, but the fact that he

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Speaker 2: was sort of blind to it added to it. But

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Speaker 2: there's a couple of things we'll talk about the effect

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Speaker 2: of what happened. But firstly, one of the effects is

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Speaker 2: that slightly he was. In my opinion, mat I think

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Speaker 2: he was about to have a monster game. When you

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Speaker 2: for take Origin. His first touch of the football is

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Speaker 2: just about one of the best touches the football I've

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Speaker 2: seen in Origin from it from a debutante where he

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Speaker 2: just went tap bumped straight at Timmy did and you go, wow,

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Speaker 2: here we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I know, like you know, it'll be

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Speaker 1: easy to go, oh, get rid of him. What a

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Speaker 1: horrible thing he did. But although the action was, you know,

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Speaker 1: was a bad action. He looks that first seven minutes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Cooper, look, you said it before and you're

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Speaker 2: spot on. What had happened was when Joseph was saying,

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Speaker 2: I don't think everyone wanted lit a bit of shock.

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Speaker 2: You see Jake going what what? He couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: You just don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't You don't think a ref's going to make, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that big a decision, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the decision is so big it's going to the game.

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Speaker 2: Was will impact, It will impact, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: But the new south Wald's coaching stuff. Could you imagine

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Speaker 2: how raddled they would have been up in the box

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Speaker 2: and when you look back in hindsight and they would

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Speaker 2: admit it as well. There was just too slow a reaction.

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Speaker 2: They were trying to work out the puzzle, to work

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Speaker 2: at how we're going to do this, and meanwhile they

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Speaker 2: bled two trice. Yeah, that site. You know we spoke

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Speaker 2: before about Nico being forced to defend last year at

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Speaker 2: right center. Well, there he was again at right center.

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Speaker 2: First the tackle where they tackled underneath the ball with

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Speaker 2: Jaden Sewer, he went through and they peeled a short.

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Speaker 2: The second time as well, we're just totally out of neck. Well,

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Speaker 2: they moved Stephen quite on the other side and it

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Speaker 2: did stem the bleeding, but the damage was done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they Yeah, I don't know why they it

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Speaker 1: eventually they brought crighton over. But like you said, it's

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Speaker 1: just it was just way too late. Question just before

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Speaker 2: I think it'll count the fact that he got sent

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get two or three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Only two or three weeks, Well, I reckon, that's send

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon he'll probably get two or three.

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Speaker 1: You're going to say six, now.

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Speaker 2: I reckon he'll get four it most Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you?

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Speaker 2: What do you?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a minimum. I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to like to send someone off. I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to get a minimum six weeks.

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Speaker 2: So oftentimes they've shown this year that if you do

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Speaker 2: get sent off, they'll take that. Yet they lessen it,

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Speaker 2: given the you know, the punishment you've already had to serve.

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Speaker 2: Probably you know what, three or four weeks is my hunch.

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Speaker 2: The other thing, let's talk some really key moments around

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Speaker 2: kicking and big in big games, the vital importance of

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Speaker 2: what you do with your attacking kicks, you know, the

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Speaker 2: consequences of getting it right and the consequences of getting

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Speaker 2: it wrong. And I'll give you an example, Queensland's first

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Speaker 2: try early on. We'll sit there watching the game. So

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Speaker 2: if you and Jack and we're watching the New South

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Speaker 2: Wales early the early sets, we went in the looking

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Speaker 2: It's an attacking set and suddenly Nico last tackle does

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Speaker 2: sits one bounce too long over the over the dead ballline.

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Speaker 2: Seven tackles set to Coeensland. Suddenly everything changes, the momentum

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Speaker 2: march down the field and they score. It just shows you,

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Speaker 2: you know, they say regular game of inches sports, the

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Speaker 2: game of inches. That's just a perfect example of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you've just got to get it right. And

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Speaker 2: New South Wales first try. Alternately, they go down, they're

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Speaker 2: on the attack again, Nico does a lob kick, gets

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Speaker 2: it right, Valholms knocks the ball on and then Jerome

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Speaker 2: and we score. Yeah, it just shows you just the

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Speaker 2: importance heat. You've got to get that right. Just I

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Speaker 2: reckon mentally. It's such a big switch when you're on

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's a seven tackle set. You've

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Speaker 2: got to turn, You've got to run back thirty meters.

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Speaker 2: They are all of a sudden on the front foot

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Speaker 2: change contains.

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Speaker 1: Everything and you can get away with it. In a

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Speaker 1: the track. You get into a long arm wrestle after

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Speaker 1: a seven tackle set and you're under the pump. But

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Speaker 1: Queensland with how good a side they've got Deli Cherry

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Speaker 1: Evans and they just march down there. Fifth tackle, he

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Speaker 1: runs it on fifth out of dummy half, throws it

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Speaker 1: back inside to Benny Hunt and they score. Like that's

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Speaker 1: the ultimate consequence. Like that's as bad as it gets.

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Speaker 2: Geez. I mean you played with Delhi. What he's brilling

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Speaker 2: at is that little scoopy does he gets up to

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Speaker 2: He just scoops and goes how many opportunities? How many

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Speaker 2: things does he create from just that little pickup from

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Speaker 1: Well, you do the same thing sometimes on short sides

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Speaker 1: at training. He just call it, even when there's nothing on,

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Speaker 1: just always happen from it. Yeah, And there was It

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Speaker 1: was always weird trying to defend against it, because I

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Speaker 1: was like, what's he what does he see? Like, how

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Speaker 1: is he so hard to stop in it? He's just

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Speaker 1: got this innate ability when he's got the footage to

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Speaker 1: you know, he's really good at deceiving where he's going

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Speaker 1: to go, and he's really hard to defend with it.

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Speaker 2: You said he on the field, he's not a big talker.

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Speaker 2: He's just a visual player, watches and reacts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, doesn't really doesn't call a heap. He doesn't plan.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think that's what I mean. I come

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Speaker 1: from a system at Storm originally when people were planning

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Speaker 1: three things ahead. Chez is it lives in that play

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Speaker 1: the ball, in that moment. And you see that when

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Speaker 2: And Zach Lomax was out standing on debull. Yeah he

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Speaker 2: other side of the coin with Queensland. Right now, Ryce

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Speaker 2: it's just that attention to do that, and that that

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Speaker 1: He's just so anybody who has heard him speak from

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing, isn't it about when it comes

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Speaker 2: So we're sitting there, we're just working out a few

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Speaker 2: little players, and said, good idea for a playboys. We'll

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what we'll do. Instead of doing that,

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Speaker 2: what I'm going to do, I'm going to get camera

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Speaker 2: go holy shit, Like you know, he has taken something

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Speaker 1: He his detailers insane. What about you? Who are your

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Speaker 2: Well, first I'll say this, queens Let's have a general talk.

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Speaker 2: Let's break it. Really simplify I thing, Whitey Queensland win

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Speaker 2: very fast team. They're very smart in how they exposed

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Speaker 2: their numerica of Vanda Johnas. The other thing about coop

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Speaker 2: They just kept turning this away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a good example of that, Nico. Nico worked him

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Speaker 2: Really occasionally we got up emotionally, like that time with

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Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden there's something else that

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Speaker 1: And even Liam Martin another big effort. He flew out

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Speaker 2: New South Wales while we lose well the obvious ones,

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Speaker 2: Joseph Swanli. That's one of the biggest factors. Know how

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Speaker 2: we reacted slowly to it is one our attack. Our attack.

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Speaker 2: I thought our attack was poor. Our combinations, how we

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Speaker 2: and I thought that. I thought our attack just skimmed

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Speaker 1: I think they came with the fatigue of that after

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Speaker 1: They all looked out on their feet. They'd just been

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Speaker 2: The question will be before we talk about the five

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Speaker 2: The big thing will be who comes in for New

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Speaker 2: South Wales. There'll be a big push for Mitchell Moses.

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Speaker 2: You know, I get that. I thought Nico he found

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Speaker 2: will be a push for Mitchell Moses, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: And I do think Dylan Edwards goes in for Teddy.

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought Teddy did some really good some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, and Teddy had some really good

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Speaker 2: Let me let me run something past you a couple

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Speaker 1: Latrell, I think Latrell going the laft kright and on

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Speaker 2: Mate, Latrell's a rock star, mate, pick your rock stars,

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Speaker 2: pick someone who's there and you know, and that Queen's

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Speaker 2: So Latrell can get out this weekend, you know, put

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Speaker 2: in a big performance. Well you know what, forget about that.

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Speaker 2: I know he'll elevate himself.

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Speaker 1: And he's the kind of guy that he would lift

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Speaker 1: Latrell would love that challenge of I need to come

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Speaker 2: I'm certain they'll bring him in. There'll be a bit

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Speaker 2: And I'm getting off the bootn track. Just here it

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Speaker 2: same thing next year, I tear what next year? I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about next year? But I mean, I'm just giving

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Speaker 2: the future that will look at in the centers. But

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Speaker 2: our best players, I thought Cameron McGinnis was I thought

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Speaker 2: he was in his first stint in the first twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five minutes. I thought, in the first twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: His foot speed, it just shows you the benefit of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, I thought as well.

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Speaker 2: Reege Robson, I thought, busted, he's gut Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 2: I thought he was really read top five? Is he? No? No,

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Speaker 2: this is just us talking generally at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Give us your top Did you have your top five?

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Speaker 2: It was top? I just took it in New South

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Speaker 2: You know what you're going to give it, Liam Martin.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was strong. I thought again, Angus Crichton

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00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 2: was good. I thought he thought he did. Zach Lomax

434
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 2: excellent on daur And I thought Spencer Lanu was brilling

435
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 2: on de Spencer Lenu, Mate, how how that's that fire

436
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 2: in his passion?

437
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 1: Anyone else you wanted? Who else?

438
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just talking here about I'm saying, who

439
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: was good for new Now give.

440
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: Us your top five of the game. I want to

441
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 1: hear your top five. I want to I don't want

442
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: to hear you rapping everyone. Let's just get just give

443
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: me a break.

444
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm just probably be a little bit positive here, Okay

445
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 2: around us. Okay, I've put look number five, Okay, number

446
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 2: five down to number one. Look, I've got to tie

447
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 2: number five on zach Lo Max pencil Nu. Okay, that's

448
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: the Newcastle at the New South Wales contribution. Lomax, very

449
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 2: very good. Onto bur just a couple of times, you know,

450
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: four or five times in the game, took took back

451
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: to bout runs coming out of yardage. You go through

452
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: a lot of work, good under the high ball, some

453
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 2: really good stuff. Good day.

454
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Len you was He's always good. He's just

455
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: a pocket rocket. He's just he just gave him at Halse,

456
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: I think gave a couple of times really flat footed

457
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: and they just went charged through the middle. Got us

458
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: a lot of rock speed.

459
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, Ben Hunt, Ben Hunt, like there's certain blokes.

460
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: When you talk about the greatest origin players like Queensland,

461
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: Queensland or New South Wales origin players, you know you're

462
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: you're automatically you go, okay, Wally Lewis, you go, you know,

463
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: Alan Langer, Jeene, Miles, mal Moninger, Cameron Smith, Billy Slayer

464
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 2: to Greg you don't think of Ben Hunt, right, I'll

465
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: tee you mate. You have a look at his record

466
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: every single time in vital moments in big origin games made.

467
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 2: He's the blow that always aims up. He's a great player,

468
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, like the Dane gag. He got two Wally

469
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: Lewis medals from the wing. He's the guy that'll go

470
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: down as one of the great Queensland players that don't

471
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: immediately come to mind. Ben Hunt's another one. He and

472
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,239
Speaker 2: Harry that one two punts they got.

473
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: It's the best. It's the best one two punch ever.

474
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: I think it's the best. Like particularly Regent, like they

475
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: just they just feed off each other so well and

476
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: it just just rupts the soles pack up so much.

477
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: And you're our plan for Harry Grant didn't work, you

478
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: know when you went and you brought him around the

479
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: house and you gave him the flu and it doesn't work.

480
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: Spitting in his mate, here's number three, number three. I've gone.

481
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: Pat Carrigan, Ye, Carrigan. If if you look at his stats,

482
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: I reckon he probably made I think Jacobe probably have

483
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: forty odd tackles jack and nearly two hundred meters. Yeah,

484
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: and Carrigan's one of those blokes he just gets He

485
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: just gets about his works so easily. You known't a

486
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: lot of times you see him at the end of

487
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: the game. You'll get the stats and game. My god,

488
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: he's just so consistent.

489
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't even you don't. You almost don't notice

490
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: him now because he's just does It's just normal. It's

491
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 1: literally just normal to Patty now. But he does out

492
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: in that fields.

493
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: Number two and I thought I thought Reuben Codor is

494
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: always good too. Mate's his powerhouse, Lindsey Collins as well.

495
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: But I've gone to my number two is Danly Tree Evans. Yeah,

496
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: he got the TV Man of the Match just we

497
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: spoke before. But he's just all round influence.

498
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: Just the old war horse.

499
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: Mate.

500
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: He just even the intercept took at the end of

501
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: the game and then just first tackle just decided to

502
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: kick it for X to put seal the deal on

503
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: the game. He's he's just a freak thirty five. He

504
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: just you're going to play for I don't think he's

505
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: he's playing the best he's ever played, Like he's just

506
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: as good as his as his peak years in his

507
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: peak age, Like he's he's playing the best foot he's

508
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: ever played. So I can't see why unless injury stops

509
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: him or he's just can't be bothered anymore. But I

510
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: reckon he'd played for at least another two years.

511
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: You must be proud. You taught him a lot.

512
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just taught him how to taught him how

513
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: to relax.

514
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: Frankie my number one mate. Yeah, Hamas Yeah, yeah, the

515
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: hamm up was incredible. Three tries, one try saver on

516
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: Spencellenia and the other one that try assist with the

517
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: ben Hunt tried towards in there. Yeah, I'll give him

518
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: the try assist on that. If you remember New South

519
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: Wales on the attack huts and Young sort of puts

520
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: a little speculator through, hits the post, the balls a

521
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: bit of a fifty to fifty. He comes through, scoops

522
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: it up, throws at Murray to a Langy who makes

523
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: a sort of half run and kick starts a set

524
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: of six and ben Hunt gave he's just.

525
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: Always there to clean he's just he's just always there.

526
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: Like his speed and his anticipation, he's always there to

527
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: clean up scraps, like off kicks. There's a couple of

528
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: high balls there sometimes when new stuff I was just

529
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: put it up, had blokes running through their hands around

530
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: and he just got up and confidence so much confidence,

531
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: just got up and took it in big moments.

532
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: My top is some Matt. It's like like he's magical,

533
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. But there is there

534
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: are certain players that just have a magic about him.

535
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: He's one of them.

536
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, my top five, Yeah, okay, number five, i'd leam

537
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: Martin actually yeah, just a lot of big moments I

538
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: think that he had that kind of got the boys

539
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: back into the game, unfortunately being a result.

540
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: Obviously.

541
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: Number four Stephen Crichton I thought very underrated, awesome on

542
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: the on the day, like I know they wrapped up,

543
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: but some of his one on one tackles and efforts

544
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: to really when he went over to that right edge,

545
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: he really saved the day because it could have been

546
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: it could have been forty to six at half time.

547
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm just I don't in my time of rugby league,

548
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember a better defensive center. I mean there

549
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: was Chris Mortimer who was like in the day, used

550
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: to put him on Wally quite a bit. He was

551
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: a great defensive center. But mate, but Crichton's another.

552
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: Level's got everything can take in a set like he's

553
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: anticipation with interceps. He knows when to gym, he knows

554
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: when to hold, and he's just got his big, long

555
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: and wiry and those guys are just so hard to

556
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: get past. The only other person in the current NRL

557
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: who probably has that similar is Campbell Graham. Yeah, he's

558
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: got that. He's just a defensive rock, where as soon

559
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: as you get in the vicinity he rarely misses tackles

560
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: one on one.

561
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: True.

562
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: Number three, I was with you. I had Paddy Carrigan

563
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: just consistent. We basically had the same number two Daly

564
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Cherry Evans what a freak kicking game is outstanding. And

565
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: then number one, of course, how could you go past

566
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: the hammer? I mean, like we just said, three tries,

567
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: a couple of try savers. He was just everywhere and

568
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't even the first choice fullback. I mean, does

569
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: that does this put in I will say this, does

570
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: this put in Billy Slater's mind that maybe Hammer is

571
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: the fullback.

572
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: No, no, you ain't. You don't know. He just like

573
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: I think Billy just sees so much of himself in

574
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Reese Walsh. I reckon Reese is like his project. Oh

575
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, and look Hammer, so he's he gonna have

576
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: that sort of impact, whether it be the center and

577
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: the wing. He just roams around the field.

578
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: The boys do say that in It, in It, in

579
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Origin Camps, Billy is like just so hands on with Reed,

580
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: like does not that he doesn't give anyone else time,

581
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: but he is. He goes out of his way to

582
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: really go to the boys like he's just his favorite.

583
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: And I reckon Billy just knows how to keep him focused. Yeah,

584
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: it was really important. Let me think I was going

585
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: to ask you something there to slip my mind for

586
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: a second. Have you met the Hammer?

587
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I haven't met the Hammer.

588
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: Is he because he doesn't do a lot of media stuff?

589
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: Is he a good guy?

590
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: He's a champion? Well, there's a there's a prank that's

591
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: going to roll on Fox. Lord's filmed up in January

592
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: that I was a dolphin trainer and we prank the

593
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: Dolphin boys and Hammer was there. And that was a

594
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I'd met him a couple of times, but that was

595
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: one time when I really got chatting with him. Champion bloke,

596
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: really funny, very funny.

597
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: He was funny.

598
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very funny bloke, undercover funny man, so good

599
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: bloke and he just you could just tell, like the boys,

600
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: just like you can just tell everyone in that team

601
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: loves him, like wherever he plays.

602
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: What do you think we got to Melbourne? We need

603
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: to win to keep the series live. Look, I'm confident.

604
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm confident we can. I saw enough in the effort.

605
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: You can't underestimate losing, losing a vital player like that.

606
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: And what to do our defensive line I understand like

607
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Queensland were fantastic. I just think desperation. There'll be a

608
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 2: few little bit of tinkering here and there. One thing

609
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Madge is good at, Coops, just hear me out on this.

610
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: One thing Madge is very good at is recognizing areas

611
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: that they've got to fix up. To fix a football side,

612
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: I'll take it. Last year to the Pacific Championships. At

613
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: the end of the year, I believed was it Australia

614
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: that really that gave the Kiwis a bit of a

615
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: flog in the first game, and then Madge goes away

616
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: and of course they played the Aussies in the final

617
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: and they beat them for thirty n record margin against Australia.

618
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: So Madge. One thing Madge is very good is recognizing

619
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: and addressing the problems. I like, maybe I look at me,

620
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just swimming in blue. I don't think

621
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm buying it. I'm being naive or you know, over

622
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: I missed it. I think I think we'll win in Melbourne.

623
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: I as much as I want New South Wales to win,

624
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: I think Queensland have just they're just they're just too good.

625
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: They're just too good right now. And I think for

626
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the injuries New so while as ago, I don't think.

627
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to turn around again.

628
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: Let me to you. Don't let your uncle hear you

629
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: say that. Who're just right? You out of the will?

630
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: I was don't think I think he's got enough child

631
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: support to pay.

632
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: Oh well, well sorry, you're really picking up the scab

633
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: there now. Listen, man, top, it's nearly midnight for us

634
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: you to do Colin Jackie in the morning. How you feeling,

635
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: ticket man.

636
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: You're okay, pretty tired man.

637
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: Thanks, go and get some sleep.

638
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Tired man,