1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: It's halfs, it's Jumbo. It's Melissa, It's Josh. That's right, 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: that's right, it's Melissa. Before we go and talk to 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: the great man, let's talk to the great woman. Let's 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: talk to the bloody life force of TYP, the blood 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: that flows through the TYP veins the engine room. Hi, 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: where have you? Everybody? Do you know how many people 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: go to me? There's Melissa? 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: All right? 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Where's Melissa? Are you all right? 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: I am more than all right, thank you. 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 4: I'm here. 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: I've just been hiding in the TYP hammock. 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Have you just had your feed up, having a bit 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: of a sabbatical. That's not true. You're working very hard 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: behind this lens. 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: Between that and the jacuzzi, just kind of, you know. 17 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Alternating hammock jacuzzi, hammock jacuzzi. 18 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it is very nice to see you back 20 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: in the cyber studio, that is TYP. You've been missed. 21 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: You are loved by the multitudes people. Everyone loved Tiff, 22 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: of course, but they also love you because you were 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: in the round floor. You were the you were the genesis. 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: You were the beginning of this. So are you okay? 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm more than okay. 26 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. We've just been chipping it away at a 27 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: few things behind the scenes. You would have been doing 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: a wonderful job, have we? Yes? Yeah? 29 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: And what do we call you? 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: Do? 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: We call you the BDM, the business development manager, the CEO, 32 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: the head bossy bossy person, head bossy person. There is 33 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: another name that won't get used on the show that 34 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: the head bossy person will call her. Just steering the 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: sst yp into into murky waters and choppy waters and 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: then back out into the bay. Dear, Well, we're glad 37 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: you're back. 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: Before we go to Josh, your dog sitting at the moment, 40 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: which is one of your favorite things to do. How's 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: your house guest? 42 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: Look, he's great, Thank you. I fed him an early 43 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: dinner so that he didn't interrupt this, so hopefully he 44 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: settles right. 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Well, good, I'm glad. Hello, Josh, welcome back to the show. 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 2: Good a heart, Good day, Melissa, lovely to be back 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: on the show. What kind of dog have you got there? 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: Between you? Hamming and Jacuzi. 49 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: Just in the sun. He's a little multi sit so 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: he's thirteen. His name's Hugo, but he thinks he's two, 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: so nobody's told him, so he just runs around like 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 3: a two year old? 53 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: Which is is the one that do we call that's 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: the one that's like varying types of pooh. That's a 55 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: multi ship, isn't it. 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: A multi ship? I've done many of them myself, but 57 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: it's a different thing. 58 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: I think we all think we all have there so 59 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: many varying degrees And what are we four minutes into 60 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: this podcast and we've already digressed here myself for that? 61 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: You got to own your ship put in my hand. 62 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't think this sentence has ever come out of 63 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: anyone's mouth ever before. What kind of dog do you 64 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: have between your Yeah, like, for sure you were going 65 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: to say legs, I'm like, well, no, Hammick and Jacuzzi. 66 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: There it is no digress. 67 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: But I'm not I'm not vile. 68 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: No, Well you could have said between your legs, that's okay, 69 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: Just that's where dogs often just put their head on 70 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: your knee and just fucking live there when you're trying 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: to concentrate when you're watching a bit of Netflix. Well, mate, 72 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: welcome back. We appreciate you. I know you've come off 73 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: the bench. This was short notice. You had a lot 74 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: of more important things than me, and this and us today. 75 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: But you you graciously accepted the offer and helped us out. 76 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: So thanks. You and I have been hanging out a 77 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: little bit. You and I've been chilling a bit, all right, 78 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: more than a little bit. We're pretty much see you 79 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: more than I see any of my mates. Okay, we've 80 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: been hanging out a lot, a. 81 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 4: Lot, Yes, and you've been helping me. 82 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: You've been helping me a lot, hartsh I think listeners 83 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: need to know that, you know, on a macro and 84 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: micro level what Hahaps is a helper. 85 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 4: He's very very good at helping people. 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: And so you know, I feel like the journey I've 87 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: had if listeners have come across me on the previous 88 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: podcast of you know, playing the Phantom and the Phantom 89 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: of the Opera here in London and Jean Valjehn and 90 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: lame Is in London, and these sort of quite high 91 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: pressure filled big roles in big musicals, the sort of 92 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: the mecha of them on the West End. Yeah, they 93 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: don't come as linear, easy journeys. They come with a 94 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: lot of stories and a lot of ups and downs 95 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: and struggles and writing the roller coaster and climbing the 96 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: summit is never an easy task, and Harps has helped 97 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: me to put those experiences into words and ways that 98 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: I can share them in keynote presentations and keynotes with 99 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: a twist, kenotes with the song, seminars, various stuff because 100 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: you learn a lot of lessons, you know, experiencing those 101 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: ups and downs of performance world like that. So thank 102 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: you Harps, who've been a amazing help. 103 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Well, I said to you yesterday and this is true. Everyone, 104 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: we caught up yesterday, and I've never had a better student. 105 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: Maybe have had a few students who are good, but 106 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: I've never had a better student. Because we meet and 107 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: we talk and then I say, great, now go away 108 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: and do this, and then you come back and everything 109 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: I've asked you to do is done to the highest standard. 110 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god. I'm so used to 111 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: people not either not doing what I asked them to 112 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: do at all or going essentially the dog ate my homework, right, 113 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: but for you to turn up and do everything, you know. 114 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: But so what we're talking about, you know, is Josh 115 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: is going to do a little bit of corporate stuff. 116 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: He's he's still the world renowned a stage performer that 117 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: he is, and he's doing a little bit more of 118 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: stage work or he's going to it's just a bit different. 119 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: He's stepping into the keynote presenting and some workshops and 120 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: a bit of mind stuff and a bit of soul 121 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: stuff and a bit of human behavior stuff, and a 122 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: little bit of who are we? How are we? And 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: why are we the way we are stuff? You know. 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: And it is interesting though, because you and I have spoken. 125 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: We have quite disparate journeys and stories and lives, but 126 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: at the same time, there's a lot of similarity. Like 127 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: you're a communicator, I'm a communicator. You're on stage a lot. 128 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: I've been on stage a lot. Your stages have been 129 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: bigger than mine, that's for sure. But you know, the 130 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: things that we have in common is that we want 131 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: to create a good experience for people. We want to 132 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: connect with people. We want to tell a story, you know, 133 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: maybe inspire, maybe move people emotionally. So even though I'm 134 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: the corporate speaker dude, and you're the you know, you're 135 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: the singer, you're the stage performer, dude, it's not it's 136 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: not light years apart, is it. 137 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: No, Because the nuclears or where that seed of where 138 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: my purpose and your purpose lives and what that seed 139 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: is is very similar. How you go and plant that 140 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: into the world might be in different spaces, but I 141 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: say that, you know, I'm a storyteller, communicator, and I 142 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: want to facilitate stories that enable people to feel the 143 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: depths of what the human experience is. And whether or 144 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: not I'm you know, telling that through my podcast or 145 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: facilitating opportunities for others to tell their stories through my podcast, 146 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: or whether I'm playing Jean Valjean or the phantom and 147 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: embodying a character that enables you to feel deeply and 148 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: connect with those characters. It's you know, the vessels can vary, 149 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: but the purpose or the origin of that purpose is 150 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: the same. I think we do have very similar perps, 151 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: which is, you know, to communicate in ways that help 152 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: people understand their own human experience and help them on 153 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: that path and hopefully inspire them a bit. So there 154 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: are some similarities. I want to say on the homework 155 00:07:53,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: front that as an actor, I was a performer. You 156 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: just can't be shit at doing your homework. Ultimately, I 157 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: have a say in what I want to put out 158 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: there on stage, but a director is guiding me throughout 159 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: that experience and they're shaping everything and turning the knobs 160 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: on everything. So every day you come back into a 161 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 2: rehearsal room, you're expected to bring back what was worked 162 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: on yesterday and the notes that were given. And so 163 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: you become a professional taking direction, a professional doing your homework. 164 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: Yes, and so I think I've just got very good 165 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: at that. 166 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: On the flip side, I don't like letting people down 167 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: and I don't like upsetting people. 168 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: And so the appeasa or plicator. 169 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: In me which is not always a part of me 170 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: that I enjoy because that leads me down passing. You know, 171 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: maybe in relationships and stuff that means that you know, 172 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: I don't always express everything I'm feeling. 173 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: So I don't want to upset the other person. 174 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: Yes, there's always account found that, but in this relationship 175 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: between you and me, it makes me the good student, 176 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: a little pad on the head, you're a good boy. 177 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: Well, a big elephant staff I'm going to tell everybody 178 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: right so, and it's no biggie, but so one of 179 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: the things that I've done with hundreds of people who 180 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: sit down and say to me, you know, I want 181 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: to I want to get into professional speaking. I want 182 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: to do some corporate speaking, or I just want to 183 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: get better and speaking, or you know, I want to 184 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: open that door and see where it goes. 185 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: And so I. 186 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: Essentially say to people, okay, come up with a couple 187 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: of titles. Come up with two, three, four titles for 188 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: what we would call a keynote. A keynote is just 189 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: a presentation that you do to a group to inform, inspire, educate, connect, build, rapport, 190 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: and lighten whatever. Right, And it's it's a pretty uh 191 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's most times professional speakers. It's really varied. 192 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: But a lot of professional speakers have two or three 193 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: key Comma keynotes that they wheel out and that's about it. 194 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: And so they have three or four two or three products. 195 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: And you know, like I've been at conferences where I 196 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: have over lapped with or spoken with several speakers, many 197 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: speakers in fact, that we've been on the same card 198 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: multiple times. And so some of them I've heard six 199 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: or seven times, and I've heard pretty much word for word, 200 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: the same forty five minutes with the same inflections, the 201 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: same stories, the same pauses, the same video at the 202 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: same time. And it's okay, but it's very performative and 203 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: you're a bit of a one trick pony, and there's 204 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: not a whole lot of I guess in the moment 205 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: kind of authentic connection because it's essentially a performance, and 206 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: of course performances can, as Josh knows, can connect, but 207 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,239 Speaker 1: when you're basically say, the art of them. 208 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: Yes, really, the art of what I do is when 209 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: you're doing playing the Phantom or seven or eight times 210 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: a week, he's trying to make it fresh for an 211 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 2: audience who are seeing it for the first time. Yeah, 212 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: and that's my duty. Director's judi is to Keith mincheck 213 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: and within boundaries, and my judi is to try and 214 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: push those boundaries so that it feels in new and 215 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: interesting to me. 216 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: But one hundred percent and the divergence for you here 217 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: is that you are going to get on stage multiple 218 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: times and basically do a different opera or do a 219 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: different you know. It's like and I've said to you, sorry, 220 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: different musical and like you might go to you know, 221 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Telstra on Monday next week and you do a keynote 222 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: and you kill it, and then the conference organizer goes, Josh, 223 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that was awesome. Can you come back next week and 224 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: do something different? And a lot of speakers. The answer 225 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: is no, like I only know two songs and I 226 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: sang them. So so I asked you to come up 227 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: with ten. No, originally it was five. And then I 228 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: said to another, so I said, come up with five 229 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: titles for keynotes and five synopsis or five overviews. So 230 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: in other words, it's the title of the presentation. Now 231 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: write one hundred words or so about that or two 232 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: hundred words. And then we met a couple of weeks ago. 233 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: You turned up and you've done it and was ten 234 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: out of ten. And I went, all right, good, do 235 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: five more, and then also do three half day slash 236 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: full day workshops that you might do. Because one of 237 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: the things that people don't realize is if you are 238 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: good at what you do, or they like you or 239 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: connect with you, and they see you as a safe 240 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: bet for their group and a good investment for their organization, 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: they want to keep working with you. They don't want 242 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: to take a risk on an unknown presenter, you know, 243 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: they don't want to spend however many thousand dollars it is, 244 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: and hope that this lady or that this bloke is 245 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: good doesn't mean they're going to get you back thousand times, 246 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: but it means if you kill it, they're probably going 247 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: to get you back. And so having that diversity and 248 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: having a range or in other words, having a menu 249 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: of presentations and professional offerings under the banner of corporate work, 250 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, and also the the kind of the hell 251 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: what's the word? The bloody the golden leg that you've 252 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: got is that you can sing in the middle of 253 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: your fucking presentations, which is very unfair to the rest 254 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: of us who have no talent. 255 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Well, you did say that the important thing about these 256 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: keynotes is that they're unique to you and you're sharing 257 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: your unique story, and I sort of took that as also, 258 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: I can share in a way that is unique to me. 259 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: And songs are storytelling or a way to sell stories. 260 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: So you know, I've got one of the ten presentations 261 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: I've got now is run from what's comfortable live where 262 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: you fear to live, and it's about stepping into fear, 263 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: about stepping into discomfort. And I shared a story with 264 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: you both yesterday where I'd always had a fear of 265 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: singing on television, and the fear was big public failure 266 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: and being embarrassed by stuffing up on television on live TV. 267 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 4: Where you can't get it back. 268 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: It winds up on YouTube or on social media and 269 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: you have a big. 270 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 4: Crack or whatever. 271 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: And so I've sung a couple of anthems, but I've 272 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: never sung a real song on live television. And so 273 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: I had this opportunity via John Foreman, who some listeners 274 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: might know. He's one of this country's great composers orchestral 275 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: A's conductors. If you ever see Carols by Candlelight, he's 276 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: always conducting the orchestra of Carols by Candlelight, amongst other things. 277 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: And we did an album together probably twenty seventeen eighteen, 278 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: and he contacted me and he said I was in Italy, 279 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: in Tuscany on a bit of a holiday and he 280 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: contacted me and said, hey, we're doing Australia Day Live, 281 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: which is an annual concert they do on the fore 282 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: Court Sydney Opera House. There's about eighty thousand people across 283 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: the fore court there and along Circular Key and wraps 284 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: all the way around and there's you know, the state 285 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: government put it on. It's a fifteen to twenty million 286 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: dollar budget or whatever else. And it's live on ABC 287 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: or Channel ten every year and so there'll be you know, 288 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: a few hundred thousand people watching, maybe you know international 289 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: as well. Would you like to sing NESSA and drdmer 290 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: which is the most famous aria, it's the Pavarotti aria 291 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: or song. It's you know, and it just. 292 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 4: Has that you know, massive note at the end you. 293 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: Don't want to stap it up. So it's not like 294 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: Gus out there and see bar bar black Sheep and 295 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: not nasional people. It's seeing one of the most challenging 296 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: songs ever with the City Sympody orchestra. And so I 297 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: was like every part of me wanted to say no. 298 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: Every single part of me wanted to say no. Because 299 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: when you get an offer like that and you are 300 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: you've imprisoned yourself in fear for that many years and 301 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: set know to these opportunities or said yes and then 302 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: got sick or whatever it is, you just feel that fear, 303 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: That adrenaline kicks in and that fight or flight response 304 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: kicks in, and you just want to do this these 305 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: I was just say no, and somehow, for some reason 306 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: I felt all that and just said yes. And for 307 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: the ensuing month was October. So for the next three months, 308 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: basically all I sung, all I practiced with my coach. 309 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 4: All I did was ness and dormer. 310 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: I lived and breathed ness and dormer to a point 311 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: where it was impossible for that not to live inside 312 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: my bones, my blood, my muscles, my nervous system. Even 313 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: if everything went wrong, muscle memory would kick in in 314 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: performance and I'd still sing it to a great standard. 315 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: And that moment of before Steven out on stage, I 316 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: remember I had some sort of mantras to myself, like 317 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: I am free, I am calm, I am adventurous, I'm present, 318 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: i am limitless. It's this sort of and I remember 319 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: there's a sort of moment midway through the song with 320 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: a choir kick in, just before the final part, the 321 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: big ending, and then the final big note, and the 322 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: choir is there, and I just looked around and went, 323 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: I'm looking at a sea if people, and the backdrop 324 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: is the Sydney Opera House and the fireworks about to 325 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: go off, and I knew they're about to go off, 326 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: and I fucking out, this is my life. This is 327 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: the most wonderful thing in the world. I fifteen years 328 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: ago had never sung a note, and here I am 329 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: facing the Sydney Opera House singing one of the greatest 330 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: years of all time on national television. Let it fucking rip, kid, 331 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: and I just went blistic at the end, like and 332 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: the fireworks kicked off, and it was and I held 333 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 2: the last note for you know, twice as long as 334 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: I've ever held it for. I went to town on 335 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: it and it was a life changing moment. It literally 336 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: changed my life because within months, a couple of months 337 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: after that, I was over in London. The footage had 338 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: been seen by Sir Cameron McIntosh Andrew Lloyd Webber and 339 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: they were like, get this kid over, we need to 340 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: see him for Phantom of the Opera. They gave me 341 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: the role and I was playing Phantom of the Opera 342 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: on the West End and from then on I went 343 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: playing it from there for how many hundreds of shows 344 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: played at the Sydney Opera House. I've got to go into 345 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: the Opera House And it was just sort of looking 346 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: back on that moment and going shit, if I didn't 347 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: do that, sours, I wouldn't have done this indoors Yes, 348 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: played in Melbourne. Then they got me straight back to 349 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: play the leading Lambers are up in London straight after 350 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: Phantom finished, and so that was a five year period 351 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: of doing all these extraordinary things, or because I said 352 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: yes to something that was so scary and it was 353 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: full of fear and was full of discomfort, And so 354 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: I just implore people you are always going to feel fear, 355 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: But fear, as Craig says, is an optional, but courage 356 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: is optional. And that was maybe the most courageous thing 357 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: I ever did, was saying yes. 358 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean the work's not going to be It 359 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: doesn't mean I. 360 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: Didn't have to put in hours and hours and hours 361 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: about some of the area before. But I've been the 362 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: ten tenors. It's sung with so many times, but not 363 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 2: solo and under those conditions. And yeah, so running from 364 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 2: what's comfortable and living where I feared to live literally 365 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: changed my life. 366 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: I love it. And there's one keynote. Yeah, yeah, that's it. 367 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: I would imagine this is a technical question. But the 368 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: obviously the acoustics outdoors in the acoustics indoors are different 369 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: like outdoors, there are no acoustics of sorts at. 370 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: Concert like this, Speakers everywhere, and I was on a 371 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: big catwalk along the catwalk there's fallback speakers roll all 372 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: the way across like right, and I had in ears 373 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: in it's like it's popping with sound. In fact, it 374 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: felt amazing to sing out there that the sound that 375 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: they create for you, right, it felt like a boomy 376 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: concert hall. It was awesome. 377 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Mike, you know how your mantra, what 378 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: was your mantra again before you went out? What were 379 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: you what were you saying? 380 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: I am calm, I am infinite, I am present. Yeah, 381 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 2: I think there's one of the often that's like I 382 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 2: am love. You know, for me, that's just like state, 383 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: don't contract, interfear, lead with your heart open, keep your 384 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: heart open, keep your heart open because as a performer 385 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: up you know this is making sound, but all of 386 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: what's inside of you, your soul and your heart is 387 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 2: actually what you what you're communicating. 388 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: Min mind mantor would be don't fuck it up, don't 389 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: fuck it up, don't fuck it up. You knew I 390 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: was going to say that melisted you don't fuck it up. 391 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 2: I don't about what what I've learnt about mantras in 392 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: terms of communicating with yourself, the make it the positive 393 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: not negative. It doesn't operate. It only hears the fuck 394 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: it up. If you say don't it only hears the 395 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: so you're beginning fuck it up up you don't so 396 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: only working positives or only actually only work in present moment, 397 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: not I will, I will, I am they now? 398 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: So So that so doing that thing, that thing that 399 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: you were scared of, and being courageous in that moment, 400 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, apart from the practical outcome of getting a 401 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: phone call and going basically around the world and becoming 402 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: a fucking superstar, which is awesome, but what did that 403 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: do for you in terms of, you know, resilience and 404 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: confidence and self awareness and self understanding and having a 405 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: different perspective about your own ability and potential? 406 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, potential is like it's like talent, right, It's just 407 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: a seed that's a beautiful looking seed. But if you 408 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: don't plant it well and nourish at well and fertilize 409 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: it and water and give it the sun it needs, 410 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: it just ends up being a seed of potential. It 411 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: just ends up being potentially wasted talent. So I've always 412 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: been big on because I wasn't that talented to start with. Really, 413 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: I had a little seed, but I work took us 414 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: off the water and fertilize and feed and put the 415 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: sun that needed to be on it. To make me 416 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: the best I could be. What I struggled with was 417 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: my own academic mind and getting in the way of 418 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: what lives beneath that mind, that could talk me into 419 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: it or out of it. And so what that opportunity 420 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: gave me was just trust, trust of my own capabilities. 421 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: That you know my mantra. Since then, there's many times 422 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: just spent I'm capable. I am capable. I'm so fucking capable. Yes, 423 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 2: And I can reflect upon those moments and go, what 424 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: did you feel, what happened? What was the outcome. I've 425 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: got a history bank there of going you're going to 426 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: be okay, no matter what it is, it ain't going 427 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: to be as big as that. And I've said to 428 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: you guys, I've sat on tables with King Charles and 429 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 2: some for him. I've done opening nights of big shows 430 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: on the West End, and I've sung Boxing Day at 431 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: the mcg and all subsequent things Final at Rod Labor 432 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: Arena and all subsequent big, big performances, and nothing has 433 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: ever felt as scary as that first one because and 434 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: it's not that I don't get nervous, of course, you 435 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: get a nerver, you know, the fucking line gets nervous 436 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: before it's about to eat a zebra because it cares. 437 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 2: So if I wasn't nervous, I think there's something worrying 438 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: about it, because that's just me caring about it. But 439 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: those stabilitating nerves and that that part of me that goes, no, 440 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: don't do that, that fear republic failure, I don't. I 441 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: don't get that like that anymore. It's more I can't 442 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: wait to get out there knowing what I'm capable of 443 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: sharing and that feeling because I wasn't really in life. 444 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: You know, all these things that we achieve and all 445 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: these things that we're striving for, they can be replaceable, 446 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: but the feeling you can't replace. And that feeling is 447 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: of transcendence, that amazing, blissful feeling where you're beyond your 448 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: own self and you expand to this other level of self. 449 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: And I love that feeling. And I know that the 450 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: only thing that stops me from having that feeling is 451 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: getting my own way. So it's taught me how to 452 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: get out of my own way. Just step into that space. 453 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, tell I don't know if you can tell 454 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: us everything you told me about sitting at a table 455 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: with the king in Charles called kinghy and singing for him. 456 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: But tell my listeners about that, because I loved that story. 457 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 458 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: So it was the Friday, I'm going to call it 459 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: like that, sixteenth of March or something, twenty twenty. So 460 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: I'll be playing the Fantom for you know, six or 461 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: so months, and COVID was coming. You know, we sort 462 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: of knew that was coming. But it was the Friday 463 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: before the Monday that Boris called everything. Boris Johnson called 464 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: everything closed. And I'd say that sort of like writing. 465 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: At the top of a career, I get a In fact, 466 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: so Cameron Macintosh gets a handwritten letter from the Australian 467 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: High Commission asking that I be released for a night 468 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: performance to perform for Prince Charles. 469 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 4: Prince charleser, that's. 470 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: A beautiful, hand handwritten letter, and it was for the book. 471 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 4: It was a bush fire appeal. 472 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: I think we all remember those hideous bushfires are twenty 473 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty. And as you know, King Charles is a 474 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: big advocate for climate action, and so he was the 475 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: keynote and the guest of honor and and so they 476 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: plumped me on a on a table with him. I 477 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 2: didn't get there until a bit a bit later through 478 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: the main course because I was warming up and whatever. 479 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: And so it was at the Mayor of London's place 480 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: in this grand ballroom for some of the. 481 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 4: Most distinguished guests. 482 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: You could like, there's a song from My Fair Lady 483 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: and it's the as Scott Gavotte and it's ever really 484 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: duke and pr and it was literally like that every 485 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: duke and and I was just like, this is ridiculous. 486 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: How many you know? And news cameras and all this 487 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and it was a. 488 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: Big bloody deal. 489 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: I was getting five fed on Channel nine back to 490 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: Australia and so Adam Hills actually hosted it. He was 491 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: the MC and so I performed a few songs and 492 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: and it was awesome, and then just sat on a 493 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: table like like just next to Prince Cho King Charts 494 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: and just had chats about. 495 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 4: He's like, you know, how do you go with all 496 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: the pressure and all that. I was like, how do 497 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 4: I go with the pressure. 498 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm just getting pressure on my performance, You're getting pressure 499 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: on your existence And he goes. 500 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, different, very different. 501 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: Well then he's like sort of talking about I sort 502 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: of talked about that with him and dealing with external 503 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: noise and studden we sort of had a human experienced conversations. 504 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: Buddy awesome, but subsequently he's very overtly gay. P A 505 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: was like lovely guy, but he just proceeded to get 506 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 2: more and more drunk for throughout the night. And I 507 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: was with my exit at that stage, D'm Charlotte, and 508 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: he he just he would not allow her to be 509 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: my girlfriend. He was just like a mate. Oh, your friend, 510 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: your friend, you know, and like he sort of off 511 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: started offering me these gigs, and he was touchy everywhere. 512 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 4: Anything he said. 513 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: Had to be like a hand somewhere, and yeah, I 514 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: was just and he works for the king, and he 515 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: was just so overtly affectionate touch you. But it was just, 516 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: you know, there was gigs in Rwanda. It's like you 517 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: can come in a couple of months and and so 518 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: it felt like he was sort of setting me up 519 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: to become you know, the King's you know, private entertainer, 520 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: which would have been a gig. But then but then Rona, 521 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: the old mate Roner kicked. 522 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: In and the world, the world it's gone on to do. 523 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: I forget his name, Scott, Scott I for anyway, it's 524 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: it's a double barrel surname. Yeah, he's gone off to 525 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: do other other things. So I don't have a I 526 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: don't have a direct line to the king to Kse 527 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, maybe I'll get to sing him again. 528 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: Do you remember we just talked about pressure. I have 529 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: a technical question. So with the the the style of 530 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: music that that you're singing, the style of songs and 531 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: that you perform, you step in to a. 532 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, an R and B band or a 533 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: rock band or and collings on the door. Yeah, well 534 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: there you go. 535 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, of course you can, like once 536 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: you understand. 537 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't sound like bon Jovi, because bon 538 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: Jovi you sound like bon Joviy. 539 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 4: But once you understand the mechanics of. 540 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: The voice, and it is very technical, you understand what 541 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: is going on in the human voice and how to 542 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: alter it and whatever. All classical training is is a 543 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: training that opens up the space at the back of 544 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: the throat so that there's more breadth and width and 545 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: richness and roundedness to the sound. Yeah, so no time, 546 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: like it's just space, whereas rock singing there's no space 547 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: at the back. It's really thin and like and the 548 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: cords are like, it's all going out that way rather 549 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: than opera that's operating. It's all space at the back. 550 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: So that's I mean, that's a very it's an untechnical 551 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: way of talking about the pharynx and the vocal tract 552 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 2: and whatever. But you geek out on all of that 553 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: and then you just learn how to manipulate that. And 554 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: so I've got a really good understanding of the human voice, 555 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: but with how it contains to everyday people. And we 556 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: talk about this yesterday. This is one of my seminars, 557 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: is that you have so much power if you know 558 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: how to use your voice, and yet ninety nine percent 559 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: of humans don't know how to use their voice. You 560 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: have so much power speaking at a dinner party, speaking 561 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: with your partner, speaking in a room of people, giving 562 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: a presentation, giving a speech if you just know how 563 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: to use your voice, and that I'm talking about pitch, rage, tone, cadence, 564 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: or speed. 565 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: Where it's resonating. 566 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 2: You know all of these things, All of these nuances 567 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 2: can pull an audience into you in a way that 568 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: gives you all the power. And it's it's so easy 569 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: to learn, and yet so few people know how to 570 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: do that. It's a technical thing. It's a skill, a 571 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: quiet skill. It's not just a talent, you know. Oh 572 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: my god, he was wonderful. I felt his voice was great. 573 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: And this isn't that like, it isn't a quiet skill, 574 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: and it's something that literally I could feel like I 575 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: can teach you anyone a few houts, Like it's not challenging. 576 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: You just have to know what to do. 577 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: And then there's that there's like what's happening with your voice? 578 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: But then there's also I guess, knowing when to talk 579 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: and not to talk, you know, like that kind of 580 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: situational awareness as well. 581 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's fine because I've been talking straight to 582 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: the last twenty minutes. 583 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're doing okay. You're the guest. Now feel 584 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: free to tell me to fuck off. 585 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 586 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: Is there any chance that you could sing a bit 587 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: of something, whether it's like anything? I know, this is 588 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: an I had, didn't I just sing the Living on 589 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: a prayer for you? Well, I mean, feel free to 590 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: say no because I feel like I'm I'm exploiting you. Uh, 591 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: feel free to say no and we'll take this out. 592 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: Could you sing a bit of something from Phantom or 593 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: or whatever? Or Ness and Norma or anything. 594 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: What does nice time shuts each sense. 595 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 4: Darkness and weeks in the U shue sign to me 596 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 4: the same sense abandon. 597 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 5: The Wow, dude, Wow, that's buddy. How long did it 598 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 5: did it take for you? 599 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: Because you said fifteen years ago or fifteen years before that, 600 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: you didn't even know that you could sing? Yeah, how 601 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: did you? How did you even open that door? We 602 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: spoke about this a bit last time, But when did 603 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: you start to think, Oh, I'm a singer, not like 604 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: I'm a guy trying to sing. I'm actually when did 605 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: that happen? 606 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: So? I never thought about singing growing up. It wasn't 607 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 2: even on the radar. Couldn't be further from the truth 608 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: of my existence. 609 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 4: I was a very. 610 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: Passionate, charismatic young kid who like to play sport and 611 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 2: that was it. Footy, basketball, tennis, cricket like they were before. 612 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 2: I like balls, and that's that's what I did. That's 613 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 2: what I cared about. I was thinking about doing sports 614 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 2: physio or maybe sports and medicine or something like that. 615 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: And then I then I got into a little bit 616 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: sort of role at a what's the end of whatever 617 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: we do at the end of the school a speech? No, right, 618 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 2: in year ten, and I had learned how to moonwalk 619 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 2: that year because I got right into ax. So I 620 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: did a little bit of that and then subsequently in 621 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: year eleven did the same morve just trying to attract 622 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: some attention and the school cafeteria and got a tap 623 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: on the shoulder from the guy who directs the school musicals. 624 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 2: He said, we're doing a musical called Fame. 625 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 4: You do you ever heard of it. I'm like, no, 626 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 4: you know, just like that's sort of sixteen year old. 627 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: Like you know the type, and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 628 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: doing the stuff. 629 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just he just said, well, this is 630 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 4: this is what it is. 631 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: You know, if you can come and then you know, 632 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: as I often do, just came around and I said, okay, 633 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: I'll go for that and got a roll on it. 634 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: And I couldn't believe how cool is you know, when 635 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: you when you are in a community in sport, that 636 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 2: community is generally unless you're playing co co sex sports, 637 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of bunch of blocks. Suddenly all 638 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 2: these all these girls, and the girls I didn't know 639 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: that were the theater girls, right, and the music girls. 640 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of different girls and I was 641 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: the flirtiest kid going around. I'm like, oh my good, 642 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 2: how many people are. 643 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: Going to get kiss. 644 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: And so I get to be front and center all 645 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: that passionate charisma, you know, you get to literally you know, 646 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: like what what what does? What does Maury Bolstein saying 647 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 2: in Zoolander, hands are so heart right. Now we can 648 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 2: take a ship in some tinfoil and self like Queen 649 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: Elizabeth's arrings like I could. You could do whatever you 650 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 2: wanted out there and to all your peers, They're like, yeah, Josh, 651 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 2: Like so you're getting all this adulation, You're getting all 652 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: the you know. 653 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 4: Whatever, with the with the. 654 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: Various girls you've met for the first time, and it 655 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 2: just was the funnest thing in the world. Plus I 656 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 2: was like, I'm creating this character. This is cool, and 657 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: so I just sort of got into the world of it. 658 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: And then that world led to like getting geeking out 659 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 2: of learning about all the musicals and studying. All I 660 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: wanted to do from then on was doing musicals changed 661 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 2: my subject. In year twelve, all I was thinking about 662 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: was playing the lead in the musical, which was Jesus 663 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 2: Crist Superstar And I'm going to go off and study this, 664 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: I still had no idea how to really sing. And 665 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: then I had a really great singing teacher that was 666 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: given that was I was told to go to in 667 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 2: first year at UNI in Melbourne. I stat it in 668 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: Ballarad and he was amazing. He just as I said, 669 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 2: if you've got a really good coach who understands the voice, 670 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 2: they can communicate like, that's what good coaching is. It's 671 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 2: not giving you information you can't find elsewhere. It's speaking 672 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: to you in a way that helps you to understand 673 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 2: and you know that from your world. 674 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 4: Of coaching and whatever. That's what good coaching years. 675 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 2: And he talked to me in a way that I 676 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 2: really understood for my voice, and it just in a 677 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: year I went from a shit kicker to someone who 678 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: could sing a fair bit. And in another year I 679 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 2: became one of the sort of top two singers in 680 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: the UNI. And by end of third year I was 681 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 2: ready to go out there and work. And so I 682 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: was very diligent. You know, they were going out and 683 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: to pubs on you know, lost people. In my year, 684 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: lots of nights of the week I was doing my scales. 685 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: So I had that sportsman work ethic, but with great teaching, 686 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 2: a seed some talent there, and a lot of desire 687 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 2: to get better. I improved very very quickly, and then 688 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 2: improved again sort of in the subsequent decade a lot 689 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 2: as well, to a point where you go, by the 690 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: time I'm in my early thirties, I'm playing leads in 691 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: the West End. 692 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible, incredible. Let's put that pause. Let's pause on 693 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: the music stuff for a minute. I was fascinated when 694 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: you and I sat down because I thought you were 695 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: just an interesting dude who could sing great, which was well, 696 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: I probably didn't really think that that much, but I 697 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: had no insight into who you were beyond music and 698 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: beyond I didn't have much. 699 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 2: Insight into who you were beyond your gyms. Yeah, I 700 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: knew of Harpers gyms. Yeah, I think we all know 701 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: of that, if you know. I'm into fitness, relatively into fitness, 702 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: and I had no idea about this whole other world. 703 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 2: I think we don't like unless you ask questions. 704 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: Yes, teacher, I sat down with you and we spoke, 705 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: and I was and I'm not saying this to make 706 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: you feel good, because I just wouldn't bring it up 707 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: if it wasn't true. But I was so impressed with 708 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: your curiosity about your understanding of human behavior in the 709 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: human condition and psychology and spirituality and for loss, fear 710 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: and stoicism and and you know, not a superficial kind 711 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: of glancing kind of interest. It's like you are you are. 712 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: You've done a very very deep dive and continue to 713 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: do this deep dive on not only understanding others, but 714 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: understanding yourself in the middle of others. What was the 715 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: and anyway? And I came back and I rang Melissa, 716 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: and I went I told her, and she's like, oh, 717 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: that's cool. I go, no, No, you don't understand like he is, like, 718 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: I can sit and talk. I can open all the 719 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: doors because you know, and I mean this respectfully. You 720 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: know when you sit with some people when you're like, 721 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with all this shit, right, So I need 722 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: to I need to rain it in a bit. I 723 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: need to be careful. I need to be careful which 724 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: doors I open or people think I'm a fucking lunatic, right, 725 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: So I just you know, you open the door a 726 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: little bit and you see them look at you quizzically, 727 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: and I just pull that one shut and then I'll 728 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: just open a let's open a cupboard door, not the 729 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: bifold doors. And you know, but with you, like I 730 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: was just I was impressed, as a dumb word, but 731 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: I was I was intrigued by your intrigue, your curiosity, 732 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: and your level of competence, confidence and understanding around all 733 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: things human experience. Tell me about that, Tell us about that. 734 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Because you've you know, you've studied, 735 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: you've researched, and you've got a lot of hands on experience. 736 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's probably not disimilar to anyone who 737 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 2: has had to look inside their own soul and learn 738 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: some really, really hard truth about themselves. It comes not 739 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 2: from a series of easy moments gifted to you, where 740 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: you go, hey, here's this great book about the soul 741 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 2: and stoicism or the human experience. 742 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 4: Haven't read it? 743 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 2: And you go, oh my god, Yeah, I can't wait 744 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 2: to learn because anyone who is going through the experience 745 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 2: obviously has that accent. It comes from crisis. It comes 746 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 2: with crisis. It comes with looking in the mirror of 747 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 2: your own soul and not liking what you see, and. 748 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: What have you said that you didn't like? 749 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 2: Narcissism in a toxic way, control like a controller, a bully. 750 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 4: Wow, I saw parts of myself. 751 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: That I couldn't bear to be and I couldn't bear 752 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 2: someone behave like that to me, or that I had 753 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 2: to witness that behavior, And that is extraminated. That is 754 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: very good. 755 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: Storry to interrupt. That is very good self awareness, dudent, 756 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: that is very good. And it takes courage and humility 757 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: to say those things about yourself that you just said. 758 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 4: Well, we're not perfect. 759 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 2: And the only way I've learned that we moved through 760 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 2: perfection and rid ourselves of the shame of our imperfections 761 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 2: is by opening up and being vulnerable about those things. 762 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 2: Because I think that vulnerability is the antidote. You know, 763 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 2: if you can own your stuff and have the capacity 764 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 2: to openly express it and work on it, then you 765 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 2: can free yourself of the shackles of your own shit 766 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 2: and your own perfectionism. And so a narcissist who is 767 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 2: a boy and a control freak who thinks they're perfect, 768 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 2: it's it's the trap of all traps, isn't it, Because 769 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 2: no one's perfect And if your perfectionism is leading to 770 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 2: those sort of behaviors, you're not going to last very long. 771 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 2: So I got in twenty fifteen, and that was the catalyst. Right. 772 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you will tell us about that, like, 773 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: what did that? So you have that? To have that 774 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: awareness is one thing, but then too, how does one 775 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: work on that? Is that a conscious process is a 776 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: very ug process. What does that look like? 777 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so. 778 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 4: It's firstly realizing that. 779 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 2: Most relationships, in fact, all relationships are two way street, 780 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 2: where at least fifty percent of what's happened is a 781 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 2: result of your behavior in some way. If you're owning 782 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 2: up things like narcissism and it's bullying and controlling. If 783 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 2: you're a pure victim, and well then it's a different 784 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 2: story altogether. But and some people are a victimis of 785 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 2: domestic violence, of abinis and this doesn't this isn't. So 786 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 2: you know, I'm the perpetrator here, not to say that 787 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 2: my ex and shit put it out up and go. 788 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 4: There were things that I do with it, but these 789 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 4: were my tendencies. 790 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 2: And so to actually go, hey, this is this is 791 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 2: my stuff, and then you go, all right, how I'm 792 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 2: going to work on that? You got? I went to 793 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 2: a SiGe and I saw a therapist regularly, but meditation 794 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 2: was the key, And a lot of people think that 795 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 2: meditation is simply this thing to stay present, this this 796 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 2: you know, tool to get rid of thoughts or whatever. 797 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 2: I mean, no one's getting rid of your thoughts unless 798 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 2: you're a fucking munk in a Tibetan monastery meditative for 799 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 2: eighteen hours a day. And even then, I question, you know, 800 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 2: if you have to travel to Times Square, whether you 801 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't start getting some thoughts cook. So it's not functional unthinking. 802 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,439 Speaker 2: So it's about understanding your thoughts and then understanding that 803 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 2: there is one who is the thinker to the thoughts, 804 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 2: the witness observing those thoughts and those feelings and those 805 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 2: emotions and those actions and those behaviors, and our thoughts 806 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 2: become our words, and our words become our actions, and 807 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 2: our actions become our habits. And if those habits are narcissistic, 808 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 2: bullying or whatever, they really hurt people, and they all 809 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 2: come from a lack of self awareness. 810 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 4: They all start with thoughts, thoughts about yourself. 811 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 2: Thoughts. Ye, So I had to learn who I was 812 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 2: beyond the thinking mind, and that took a lot of meditation. 813 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 2: When I say a lot of meditation, I mean twice 814 00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 2: a day every day, for years practice as the practice 815 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 2: of practicing certain diligence and dedication, and that that is 816 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 2: the that is the work. You know, the work isn't 817 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 2: I read the secret and now I've done the work. 818 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 4: The work is. 819 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 2: Every single fucking day, and the work never ends. And 820 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 2: then you're then you're humbled by the fact that you're 821 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 2: just a student of life. 822 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 4: Then you see yourself. 823 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 2: As you know, the drop in the ocean, and the 824 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 2: entire ocean as a drop. You see, you see yourself 825 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 2: as this whole universe. Yes, it is you, and you're 826 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 2: as big as that because all of that is inside 827 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 2: the molecular level of you. 828 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 4: You're seeing. 829 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 2: You're suddenly looking at this world at this quantum fucking level, 830 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 2: and you see how important your life is and how 831 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 2: fucking insignificant you are at the same time. And I 832 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 2: think that was a huge wake up call to me, 833 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 2: and so it just got me interested. So I ended 834 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 2: up studying meditation, become a teacher. So if I pitcher, 835 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 2: I ended up stud eating a lot of Yunian psychology stoicism. 836 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 2: I just got interested in lots of things, and I'm 837 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,280 Speaker 2: constantly interested in lots of things, and things grabbing my attention, 838 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 2: and you gave me a book that I'd never heard of, Yes, 839 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 2: the forty eight Loads of Power, Laws of Power. I 840 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 2: can't wait to read that. And that's some reading. And 841 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 2: I'm constantly studying and wanting to grow. The other part 842 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 2: of it is that what I was noticing is as 843 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 2: I opened up the channels to my own authentic self 844 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 2: and went deeper and deeper inside my own soul and 845 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 2: went through the dark knight of that, I noticed that 846 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 2: it opened up the characters that I was playing, And 847 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,399 Speaker 2: in fact, I began to start getting roles that were 848 00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 2: far deeper, that were far more complex, that asks me 849 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,240 Speaker 2: to be really vulnerable and go to some really dark places. 850 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 2: You know. The phantom is not just a dude to 851 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 2: sings music of the night. He's an abandoned boy who 852 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 2: has a deformed face, who is a murderous, narcissistic, self indulgent, 853 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 2: selfish tyrant. 854 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 4: And I used Jung's. 855 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 2: Idea of the archetypes to play him because he is 856 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 2: a king in his shadow, is a magician in his shadow, 857 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 2: he's a warrior in his shadow. He's a lover in 858 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 2: his shadow. So he's an addict, he's a saddest he's 859 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 2: a manipulator and he's a tyrant. And to go that way, 860 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 2: I had to understand Jungian psychology to it and understand 861 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 2: the shadow self to play, to lean into the shadow, 862 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 2: and I just am fascinated with the world of the 863 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 2: human experience, the human condition, understanding what it means to 864 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 2: be human, and ultimately what I feel like the purpose 865 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 2: of it all is is to help other people understand 866 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 2: their human experience. And so, as I said at the start, 867 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 2: whether my purpose is a storyteller, as a communicator is 868 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,959 Speaker 2: to help people understand that, and whether it's by having 869 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 2: a podcast, having these sort of chats, by coaching people, 870 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 2: or by stepping into characters that, through their artists free 871 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,840 Speaker 2: enable people to see themselves or feel things that haven't 872 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 2: felt or need to feel. 873 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,280 Speaker 4: I have a lot of opportunity. 874 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,800 Speaker 2: To help people on their journey. And when your life 875 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 2: becomes about helping others, not what you can get for others, 876 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,919 Speaker 2: then I go all right, I really start to step 877 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 2: out of narcissism. It's like this becomes a world of 878 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 2: service and giving rather than a world of purely receiving. 879 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,479 Speaker 1: What was that is so well articulated and thank you? 880 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,280 Speaker 1: As we wind up with the narcissism, the control, the bullying. 881 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: What was the upside for that? Like, what were you 882 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 1: getting from that? What was that doing for you at 883 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: that period of time. 884 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 4: It means that. 885 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,399 Speaker 2: You get to have everything go the way you want it, 886 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 2: right what you think is and that's generally the easy 887 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 2: road means you don't have to really compromise. It's not 888 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,280 Speaker 2: a relationship. That's not a relationships are all about compromise. 889 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 4: So you get everything it's. 890 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: My way or it's a dictatorship. 891 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,919 Speaker 4: It's a dictatorship. 892 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 2: And when you start getting everything you want, the ego 893 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 2: loves that. The ego is addicted to getting everything else. 894 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 2: So you're constantly getting everything you want. But yes, well 895 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 2: it's not about yeah, so so that was that was 896 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 2: the benefit, But that was that's not a benefit, Yeah, 897 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 2: because because those around you pulled away. So also, oh 898 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 2: didn't have very many meaningful relationships. I didn't have depth 899 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,799 Speaker 2: to my relationships and there was no vulnerability in right issue. 900 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,479 Speaker 2: There's a lot of toxic positivity, but not vulnerability. So yeah, 901 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 2: that's I much prefer my life now. But it's still 902 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 2: as still student, like never stopped being a student. I 903 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 2: mean Pavarotti said he was a student to the day 904 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 2: he died of singing, and it was a pretty great singer, 905 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 2: so to be become a better person. But I don't 906 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,240 Speaker 2: think they ever stopped. I hope it never stops. 907 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: Well he was no Josh Pitterman, but like he was, 908 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: all right. 909 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's actually like there's a voice that I 910 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 2: listen to. It just hap to sit down and listen 911 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 2: to it and like that, like I'm transcended by voice. 912 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 2: I think it's fun. And John Farnon is another one too. 913 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 2: Something about that voice that like the they're the voice. 914 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 2: I just think, I don't know, I can listen to 915 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 2: fancy seeing that Beatles cover of Help just go fucking hell, 916 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 2: Like I just I'm somewhere else. 917 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 1: So well he was, I mean, obviously Australians love him 918 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: and understand his ability, but he was like he could 919 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: have been a global you know. I know he did 920 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 1: all right, but he could have been a global superstar 921 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: with that voice because he had to. He was. 922 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,799 Speaker 2: If I compare it to like you know, Steve Perry 923 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 2: or bon Jovi or you know, like it's better voice 924 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 2: than any of those or maybe Freddie Mercury, like Freddie 925 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 2: Mner was a great showman and a great voice, but 926 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 2: Fansi's voice was it was I sort of put up 927 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,280 Speaker 2: there as some of the great one of the greatest 928 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,359 Speaker 2: voices of all time. But on that point about could 929 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 2: have been that if he was that would he have 930 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 2: lost that sort of ossie, alaric and humble charm that 931 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,400 Speaker 2: also made him great, so awesome. I think whatever he 932 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,839 Speaker 2: was what is because he hasn't gone. I'm just don't 933 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 2: seeing anymore. Yeah, I've seen him twice live and unforgettable 934 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 2: inspiring moments. Is also very inspiring. 935 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: Just performance. 936 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 4: What she's been through. 937 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: God, that's a weird thing. That's another topic for another comedy. Yeah, 938 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: what's that called, Melissa? Is it like stiff body syndrome 939 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: or something? Yeah, stiff person? Yeah, crazy. We love you. 940 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 1: You're amazing. 941 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 4: Tell people big chats. Yeah, all of them. 942 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 2: Next time I jump on, can I trill you? Because 943 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 2: maybe people have heard your story, but. 944 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 1: People have been more story too much. But feel free. 945 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: We'll do another one. I think we're booked for next 946 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,719 Speaker 1: week if you want to, if you want to take 947 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: over the t y p Rains for one episode, fucking 948 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 1: feel free, like you just. 949 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 2: Make it a little bit more too way Street. 950 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: No, No, you have to intro and outro the show, okay, 951 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,399 Speaker 1: and you need to up you're swearing a little bit. 952 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,960 Speaker 1: But you did pretty well today. The fuck quota was 953 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:13,919 Speaker 1: better than last time. 954 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 2: I see. I swear much more in this podcast than 955 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 2: I do on my podcast. 956 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: Of course, I always say I open the fuck door 957 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,360 Speaker 1: and people come stumbling in. I've had people on this 958 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: show who buy halfway through the show and they've never 959 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 1: ever sworn ever on a podcast. By the end of 960 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: the show, they're saying fuck every third sentence, and then 961 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: they get off and they're like, that was quite liberating. 962 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't mind that. I'm like, right, yeah, how do. 963 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 4: People connect to Welcome to the Fun Project. 964 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,880 Speaker 1: That's it. How do people connect with you? Find you, 965 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: follow you listen? What's the name of your show, what's 966 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: your website? How they follow you on socials? 967 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can just go to Josh Pittman one 968 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 2: T and one in in and one je and one 969 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 2: agent Josh just in case you didn't have to spell 970 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,919 Speaker 2: that one, Josh Pittman dot com dot a you all. 971 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 2: My podcast is Behind the Mask. It's at go behind 972 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 2: the Mask on Instagram. TikTok and YouTube. You can watch it, 973 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 2: you can listen to it, where all good podcasts are found. 974 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, start with that Josh Pittman and pretty much 975 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 2: everything's there on on Instagram you can find you at 976 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:24,840 Speaker 2: all the o epics. 977 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,359 Speaker 1: Thanks Buddy, love you you mate, Thanks mat 978 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,840 Speaker 4: Mel, thanks for having me, guys,