WEBVTT - Bonus: Victoria Announces Pill Testing Trial This Summer

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Lauren on over one hundred guys overnight and about

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<v Speaker 1>face he could say, but a welcome one in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>from the Victorian state government because over the coming summer

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<v Speaker 1>they will be trialing pill testing.

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<v Speaker 2>It does been lots of conversation about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just for anybody living under a rocker who's quite

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<v Speaker 3>naive to the subject. This is where they will test

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<v Speaker 3>drugs at festivals. That's right to let you know if

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<v Speaker 3>they're safe or not. I mean, look, not that any

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<v Speaker 3>drugs safe, but like what's in.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, because there's been these horrific stories of people even

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<v Speaker 4>trialing things for the first time in it and killing

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<v Speaker 4>them teenagers.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not manned by police or anything. You're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be charged or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first three months of this year, the first

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<v Speaker 1>three months of twenty twenty four, there were more overdoses

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<v Speaker 1>than in the entirety of the previous year. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>how often it's happening and how scary a proposition it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, it's scary, and I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there will be some backlash from people who

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that this is something that's necessary. But what

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<v Speaker 4>I would say is burying your head in the sand

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<v Speaker 4>and pretending that this isn't a real problem is so shortsighted.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the premiere just cinter Allen announced it on the

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<v Speaker 1>Socials last night. Here's what she had to say.

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<v Speaker 5>My husband and I are always thinking about our kids

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<v Speaker 5>growing up and making their own decisions. In a few years,

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<v Speaker 5>they'll be heading off to parties, to music festivals, and

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<v Speaker 5>like all parents, so I often catch myself thinking, what

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<v Speaker 5>if the worst happens, what if one of them doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>make it home?

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<v Speaker 3>And that is a fear.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the fear right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, I love that she also says there that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, she's a parent and she understands that there

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<v Speaker 4>is a chance that it could be her kids that

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<v Speaker 4>try something that perhaps they shouldn't, or she's not naive

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<v Speaker 4>to the fact that teenagers will be ten ages and

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<v Speaker 4>try things.

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<v Speaker 3>For the people don't want it is their belief that hey,

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<v Speaker 3>if we provide pill testing, that's just going to encourage

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<v Speaker 3>kids to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess so, but I also think that that's really

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<v Speaker 4>naive and short sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a trial which has already been undertaken in

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<v Speaker 1>the Act Queensland as well as I say it's coming

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<v Speaker 1>to Victoria. Let's get some expert insight on this from

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<v Speaker 1>the Victorian Drug and Alcohol Association. We welcome the CEO

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Chris Deforu to the show. Good morning, Chris, morning.

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<v Speaker 6>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 7>How are you all well?

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<v Speaker 3>Good Chris, your reaction.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a very positive announcement. The Victoria Alcohol and Drug

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<v Speaker 6>Association and other health organizations have been calling for this

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<v Speaker 6>all of last summer given the spike in overdose overdose

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<v Speaker 6>numbers as well as the risks around adulated substances appearing

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<v Speaker 6>in a listed drugs. So it is a very welcome announcement.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, can you run me through? And I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>if you have all the details of how it would

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<v Speaker 3>actually work, Like you know, I'm imagining. It's all anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no police manning the tent or anything. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>people rock up at this tent at a music festival.

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<v Speaker 3>Their drugs are tested and given back to them and

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<v Speaker 3>they're told what's in it.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think there'll be further information coming out today

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<v Speaker 6>about what the actual service will look like, but at

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<v Speaker 6>a high level, it is an anonymous service, so people

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<v Speaker 6>that are intending to use an elisted drug can take

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<v Speaker 6>a take a take a sample of it for testing,

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<v Speaker 6>and in that in that sort of context, it's they'll

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<v Speaker 6>receive real time information about what the composition of their substances,

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<v Speaker 6>but also have the opportunity to have a conversation with

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<v Speaker 6>a health profession all about their decision making.

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<v Speaker 4>So okay, so there's some education in it as well

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<v Speaker 4>as just absolutely absolutely, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm all for this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's really important, and I think the statistics

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<v Speaker 4>that we see get worse and worse every year of

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<v Speaker 4>people trying things and not knowing what they're putting in

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<v Speaker 4>their body. But there will be a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>that completely disagree with this.

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<v Speaker 2>There will be backlash.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you say to those people who think this

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<v Speaker 4>is a terrible idea?

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<v Speaker 6>What I would say is that this is a health response,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not a you know, and I think the effordence

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<v Speaker 6>shows that criminalizing individuals who do take drugs is costs

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<v Speaker 6>us more. It's you know, our courts get clogged up,

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<v Speaker 6>and as you were saying a little earlier, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>fatal mistakes, fatal mistakes happen, and you know, people end up,

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<v Speaker 6>people often find out the negative consequences of what they

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<v Speaker 6>are consuming once in a hospital ward or even worse morgue.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Chris, you a dad, Yes, can you take your

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<v Speaker 1>hat off? As CEO of the Victorian Alcohol and Drug Association,

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent of children, I don't know how old

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<v Speaker 1>they are, but one day they will head off, presumably

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<v Speaker 1>to parties, to music festivals. Would you feel a little safe,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more comfortable sending them off to those

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<v Speaker 1>festivals parties with their friends?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I guess you know, we all want to sort

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<v Speaker 6>of make sure that you know, our children and most

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<v Speaker 6>that we love have have have the right information about

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<v Speaker 6>what they choose to do. And you know that's an

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<v Speaker 6>ongoing conversation. But but of course it is a it

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<v Speaker 6>is an important intervention that you know will be will

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<v Speaker 6>be real in Victoria this this this coming summer. So

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<v Speaker 6>so I think the families that there is an a

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<v Speaker 6>level of comfort that if their child or will love

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<v Speaker 6>one decides to take something they're given or that they

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<v Speaker 6>buy illegally, then that'll be something where where they can

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<v Speaker 6>get some information and you know, possibly have a conversation

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<v Speaker 6>for the first time at about their drug taking.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like it's not just kids doing this, by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, there's adults. There's people in their twenties thirties

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<v Speaker 4>who go to parties, go to festivals, and they don't

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<v Speaker 4>come home.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Chris, we'll leave it there. So Victorian and Alcohol

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<v Speaker 3>and Drug Association thanks your time this morning, mate.

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<v Speaker 6>Nowhere it's goat to chat with your.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirteen twenty four ten is our number if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to weigh in on this. We are talking about pill

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<v Speaker 3>testing being trialed here in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>They spend some horror stories, especially the last summer gone

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<v Speaker 1>paramedics heading to music festivals, just the things they're seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>the people they're treating.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I think, so that parents that are

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<v Speaker 3>naive to think their kids won't be in that environment.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not saying every kid will do drugs or.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything like that. It doesn't. I think it doesn't encourage kids.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't. But if you are sitting there going

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<v Speaker 3>my child will never be in a situation where they're

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<v Speaker 3>offered them or around them, then unfortunately you've got your

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<v Speaker 3>head in the sand. Mate.

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<v Speaker 4>But it also might not be your child. It might

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<v Speaker 4>be a child's best friend. It might be a child's

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<v Speaker 4>girlfriend or boyfriend or COLLIEE.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirteen to twenty fourten is our number. If you're on

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<v Speaker 3>a way in. We've actually got a caller sitting on

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<v Speaker 3>hold at the moment who is dead set against it,

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<v Speaker 3>will get their view and take your calls on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of this here on Nover. Well, tell you what,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised about this, but the topic we're hitting this

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<v Speaker 3>morning has definitely divided people on the phone. She's a

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<v Speaker 3>fifty to fifty split.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't surprise me one day. Really Yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Then Melbourne, honestly, fifty percent of those people that are

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<v Speaker 3>against it need to wake up.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So what we're talking about is pill testing. The

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<v Speaker 4>Victorian government have just announced this summer pill testing will

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<v Speaker 4>be trialed.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be running it out.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have all of the details as yet, but

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<v Speaker 4>it will be run out at festivals across rod I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I mentioned right before it was it's a u

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<v Speaker 1>turn of sorts because Dan Andrews was fiercely opposed yeah

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<v Speaker 1>to a pill testing trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, drugs are illegal. I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I get that there are a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 4>are scared by the idea of this because they think

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to encourage their kids to do it, encourage

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<v Speaker 4>people to do something that is against the law. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think the bigger picture, Jason, which is what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 4>is that people are going to do it anyway, save lives,

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<v Speaker 4>and people make mistakes, and it's teenagers.

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<v Speaker 2>Not smiling something.

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<v Speaker 3>Not everyone will go and do it. They'll be too nervous,

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be embarrassed, they'll be scared about the consequences. But

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<v Speaker 3>even just like if four people go and do it

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<v Speaker 3>at a festival and two of those don't, go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and take the drugs that you know were cut really

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<v Speaker 3>badly and they're going to kill them, there's two lives saved.

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<v Speaker 3>Karen from Kilmore Morning, you're dead against it, dead against it.

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<v Speaker 8>It's illegal, illegal drugs, and you're saying that they're here,

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<v Speaker 8>come and take illegal drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Karen, do you have kids, yes?

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<v Speaker 7>Three.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they've ever I'm not sure how old

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<v Speaker 3>they are, But do you think they've ever been in

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<v Speaker 3>a situation where they've been around drugs or off of them.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure they have, because most kids would be. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>sure they have.

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<v Speaker 3>And what about if peer pressure got to them and

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<v Speaker 3>they were going to take a tablet at a festival,

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't you prefer they knew what was in it.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you know what, They're not going to test every

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<v Speaker 8>pill that goes into that festival.

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<v Speaker 3>No, But if you hang on, if your kids had

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<v Speaker 3>the option to get that pill tested, wouldn't you prefer

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<v Speaker 3>they got it tested and knew what was in it

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<v Speaker 3>and then had the decision and then be able to

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<v Speaker 3>make the decision on whether they take it.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I don't think it makes any difference. They're going

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<v Speaker 8>to take an illegal drug drug.

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<v Speaker 3>But Karen, it's giving them a choice if they get

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<v Speaker 3>it tested and then there is an expert in front

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<v Speaker 3>of them saying this drug has been cut with something

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<v Speaker 3>very bad that people are dying from.

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<v Speaker 9>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>That gives them the choice on whether.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to and I think it's more than just.

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<v Speaker 8>And then they'll go and take another.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's if I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't understand what Karen's saying that she doesn't want to encourage.

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<v Speaker 2>We shouldn't be encouraging.

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<v Speaker 1>People, not going to encourage them, Karen, hang on, what

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<v Speaker 1>what if I tell you this, Karen, that it's been

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<v Speaker 1>proven that pill testing actually changes behavior because look at

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<v Speaker 1>his research. But when you get a negative result at

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<v Speaker 1>a drug testing or a pill testing festival facility, a hut. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>they deter a majority of people from from taking drugs

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<v Speaker 1>basically because they see right in front the evidence what's

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<v Speaker 1>in it and what it can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think there is I think some people,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people, I would say, are putting things

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<v Speaker 4>in their bodies that they don't know what's actually in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you ever do drugs when you were younger, Karen No, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope for your kid's sake that the testing stays around,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hope that you know, they don't find themselves

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<v Speaker 3>in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I can, I can, I can.

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<v Speaker 4>I can understand why people are frightened by it because

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<v Speaker 4>they I can understand. You would think that it would encourage, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Ignoring the problem is more frightening. It really is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirteen twenty four to ten to join us.

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<v Speaker 4>On the Well, let's go to Williamstown, Chavon, Good morning.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think about pill testing in Victoria?

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<v Speaker 9>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's absolutely brilliant and well passed due. It's

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<v Speaker 7>something that they do in the UK, in the loops

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<v Speaker 7>in the UK do it already everywhere, and you'd be

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<v Speaker 7>surprised how many of us attending festivals would throw out

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<v Speaker 7>anything that we've purchased, really the you go that contains ketin,

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<v Speaker 7>baby powder, all those things that the gangs mixed the

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<v Speaker 7>drugs with. We just want to know how strong they

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<v Speaker 7>are so that we know our limits and we know

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<v Speaker 7>what we're taking, and we also want to ensure that

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<v Speaker 7>everyone around us is staye.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just say, are you saying are you a

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<v Speaker 3>living stat here? Have you been in a situation where

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<v Speaker 3>you've thrown something out?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely? Beg absolutely yes. Imus of us have a say

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<v Speaker 7>in the loop in the UK attend a majority of

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<v Speaker 7>the festivals in they test for free. There's no stigma

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<v Speaker 7>attached to you going in and getting your pills or

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<v Speaker 7>your powders tested. I am a living stat with saving.

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<v Speaker 1>Live and there is evidence out of the UK and

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<v Speaker 1>America as well that pill testing does impact the black market.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the manufacturing of those substances in the on the

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<v Speaker 1>black market.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if there's a dealer selling bad stuff, people have

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<v Speaker 3>tested it, they're not going to go back and buy

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<v Speaker 3>from them. I was just sending me a look online.

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<v Speaker 3>You can buy bloody testing kits here in Melbourne for Amazon.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's yeah, and I think that if this

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<v Speaker 4>is something that's going to save lives. It's absolutely necessary.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been much debate about it for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a trial, it's going to be rolled out and

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<v Speaker 4>I think we should definitely support it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, we've got to take a break. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to check in news and then on the other side

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<v Speaker 3>of this to wrap up the topic, someone who can

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<v Speaker 3>talk firsthand. Her son was a victim of taking something.

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<v Speaker 3>He's still alive, but he took something that was cut badly.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to hear her side of the story next

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<v Speaker 3>on over.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've had lots of cause, lots of debate this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Lauren.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the cause we're getting through is literally fifty

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<v Speaker 4>to fifty split against and four pill testing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this was Karen on the phone before who was

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<v Speaker 3>dead set against it. Wouldn't you prefer they got it

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<v Speaker 3>tested and knew what was in it and then be

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<v Speaker 3>able to make the decision on whether they take it.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I don't think it makes any difference. They're going

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<v Speaker 8>to take an illegal drug, legal drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Karen's argument was that drugs are illegal and that's

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, this is something that is saving lives. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a mum on the line. Kathy from Greensboro. Kathy's son

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<v Speaker 1>overdosed at one of these notorious festivals that was held

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<v Speaker 1>at Flemington earlier this year. Kathy, good morning, good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you how are you? By the way, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for joining.

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<v Speaker 9>Us, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of this news?

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<v Speaker 9>I have a mixed feeling about it. I don't it

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<v Speaker 9>scares me in a way. You know, my son was

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<v Speaker 9>one of the I think there was twelve of them

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<v Speaker 9>on that particular festival. It was a pretty bad festival.

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<v Speaker 9>It was in all the papers on the news. He

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<v Speaker 9>was one of those kids. And they asked permission to

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<v Speaker 9>do bloods on all of those ones that overdose, him

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<v Speaker 9>being one of them. And you know, we even thought,

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<v Speaker 9>oh he's got dirty tablets or it's a dirty dose

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<v Speaker 9>or whatever. So it came back it was clean. There

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<v Speaker 9>was nothing else. So all the bloods that came back,

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<v Speaker 9>they said, it was just it was just a perfect

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<v Speaker 9>storm on that day because it was extremely hot, it

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<v Speaker 9>was very humid, under the tenth a bit of dehydration,

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<v Speaker 9>and it just it just exacerbated all of the things

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<v Speaker 9>that those drugs do to the body.

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<v Speaker 4>And it just Cathy, just quickly. I think it's important

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<v Speaker 4>that we point out that your son overdosed. But he's

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<v Speaker 4>okay now.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, he was in intensive care for two days.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 9>I actually watched. I got there to pick them all up,

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<v Speaker 9>and I couldn't get in contact with them. And then

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<v Speaker 9>one of his friends entered the phone and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 9>he's not good, and I just thought, oh, he's drunk

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<v Speaker 9>as usual. So I went into the ground and they said, no,

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<v Speaker 9>he's unconscious. Get to the tense and I had to

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<v Speaker 9>watch them sedating, put him on life support and follow

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<v Speaker 9>the ambulance to the hospital and not knowing if he

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<v Speaker 9>was going to live or die, we had to wait.

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<v Speaker 9>It was twenty four hours on life support and then

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<v Speaker 9>you know, fortunately all of those kids survived. But it

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<v Speaker 9>just it scares me because had if he had had

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<v Speaker 9>that pill tested, they would have said, yeah, that's fine

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<v Speaker 9>to take.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the conversation, Kathy, because while we are saying

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<v Speaker 4>we think it's a you know, many people think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a great initiative and it will save lives, there has

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<v Speaker 4>been a conversation that thinks that this will encourage people

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<v Speaker 4>to do it, and things like overdoses and the risk

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<v Speaker 4>that taking illegal drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Has.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not eradicated by the pill testing. There's still so

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<v Speaker 4>much dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>There's got to be education with it as well, and

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<v Speaker 3>they get to roll out the plan of how exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think these conversations, Kathy, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 4>for you know. I'm sure you are having to be

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<v Speaker 4>really brave to read as person.

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<v Speaker 9>But I thought I didn't call when you first put

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<v Speaker 9>it out, but I thought like he didn't have thirty drugs,

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<v Speaker 9>they with clean drugs, and we still ended up with

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<v Speaker 9>the same result. Fortunately he's okay, And I don't know

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<v Speaker 9>how I feel about the pill testing on half half.

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<v Speaker 9>If it does save lives, that's fantastic, but it's not

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<v Speaker 9>going to be the one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>But if which it sounds like we don't know the

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<v Speaker 4>full story of it, but it does sound like there

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<v Speaker 4>will be a large part of education in this as

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<v Speaker 4>well of teaching people.

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<v Speaker 2>How to how to be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy, as a mum who has been through a horrible situation,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Does this debate? Does

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<v Speaker 1>it rattle you? Does it make you feel emotional?

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<v Speaker 9>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how do you feel this morning? You're emotional

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 9>I am emotional because it all comes back to me

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<v Speaker 9>that I wouldn't want to see another parents go through.

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<v Speaker 9>Like I'm not naive. They go to parties, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>they go to festivals, and I say to him, be safe,

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<v Speaker 9>please don't don't do it. But if you think you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I have a great relationship. But if you think you know,

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<v Speaker 9>they think that they're invincible when they're young, like we

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<v Speaker 9>all did you know, and you get that phone call

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<v Speaker 9>and you just can't believe it. It's surreal and it's

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<v Speaker 9>not fun to go through.

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<v Speaker 2>You never think it's going to be your child or

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<v Speaker 2>one of their friends.

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<v Speaker 3>You've definitely a different perspective to the argument. I can

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<v Speaker 3>tell you that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Cathy, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate you jumping on with us this morning because

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's not an easy conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>To have, and it's conversation that has to continue as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Were it. Yeah, we yet to find out all the

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<v Speaker 3>details of how it'll unfold, but testing needs to come

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<v Speaker 3>with education.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on the show tomorrow as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we'll dive into it again. Then this is no

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<v Speaker 3>Ova Morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason Lauren, Jason Lauren, Wake Up feeling good on over

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred Lauren on socials