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Speaker 2: It does been lots of conversation about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just for anybody living under a rocker who's quite

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Speaker 3: drugs at festivals. That's right to let you know if

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Speaker 4: Well, because there's been these horrific stories of people even

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Speaker 3: And that's not manned by police or anything. You're not

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Speaker 1: In the first three months of this year, the first

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's scary, and I think.

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Speaker 4: I think there will be some backlash from people who

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Speaker 1: Well, the premiere just cinter Allen announced it on the

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Speaker 5: My husband and I are always thinking about our kids

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Speaker 3: And that is a fear.

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Speaker 1: That's the fear right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I love that she also says there that

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Speaker 3: For the people don't want it is their belief that hey,

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Speaker 4: I guess so, but I also think that that's really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a trial which has already been undertaken in

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Speaker 1: the Victorian Drug and Alcohol Association. We welcome the CEO

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Speaker 1: Chris Chris Deforu to the show. Good morning, Chris, morning.

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 7: How are you all well?

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Speaker 3: Good Chris, your reaction.

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Speaker 6: It's a very positive announcement. The Victoria Alcohol and Drug

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Speaker 3: Chris, can you run me through? And I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: Their drugs are tested and given back to them and

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Speaker 6: So I think there'll be further information coming out today

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Speaker 4: So okay, so there's some education in it as well

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm all for this.

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Speaker 4: I think it's really important, and I think the statistics

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Speaker 2: There will be backlash.

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Speaker 4: What do you say to those people who think this

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Speaker 6: What I would say is that this is a health response,

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Speaker 1: Hey, Chris, you a dad, Yes, can you take your

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Speaker 6: Well, I guess you know, we all want to sort

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like it's not just kids doing this, by

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Speaker 3: Hey, Chris, we'll leave it there. So Victorian and Alcohol

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Speaker 6: Nowhere it's goat to chat with your.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen twenty four ten is our number if you want

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Speaker 1: They spend some horror stories, especially the last summer gone

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Speaker 3: You know what I think, so that parents that are

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Speaker 2: Anything like that. It doesn't. I think it doesn't encourage kids.

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Speaker 4: But it also might not be your child. It might

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Speaker 3: Thirteen to twenty fourten is our number. If you're on

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Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me one day. Really Yeah, well.

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Speaker 3: Then Melbourne, honestly, fifty percent of those people that are

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Speaker 4: Okay, So what we're talking about is pill testing. The

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Speaker 2: They'll be running it out.

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Speaker 1: Think I mentioned right before it was it's a u

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Speaker 2: Look, drugs are illegal. I get it.

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Speaker 4: I get that there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 4: I think the bigger picture, Jason, which is what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: Not smiling something.

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Speaker 3: Not everyone will go and do it. They'll be too nervous,

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Speaker 3: Karen from Kilmore Morning, you're dead against it, dead against it.

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Speaker 8: It's illegal, illegal drugs, and you're saying that they're here,

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Speaker 3: No, Karen, do you have kids, yes?

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Speaker 3: Do you think they've ever I'm not sure how old

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Speaker 3: wouldn't you prefer they knew what was in it.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know what, They're not going to test every

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Speaker 3: No, But if you hang on, if your kids had

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think it makes any difference. They're going

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Speaker 3: But Karen, it's giving them a choice if they get

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Speaker 3: That gives them the choice on whether.

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Speaker 2: They're going to and I think it's more than just.

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Speaker 8: And then they'll go and take another.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's if I.

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Speaker 4: Can't understand what Karen's saying that she doesn't want to encourage.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't be encouraging.

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Speaker 1: People, not going to encourage them, Karen, hang on, what

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Speaker 1: what if I tell you this, Karen, that it's been

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Speaker 1: a drug testing or a pill testing festival facility, a hut. Basically,

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Speaker 1: they deter a majority of people from from taking drugs

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever do drugs when you were younger, Karen No, Well,

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Speaker 2: I can, I can, I can.

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Speaker 4: I can understand why people are frightened by it because

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Speaker 3: Ignoring the problem is more frightening. It really is.

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Speaker 4: On the Well, let's go to Williamstown, Chavon, Good morning.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about pill testing in Victoria?

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Speaker 9: Good morning.

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Speaker 7: I think it's absolutely brilliant and well passed due. It's

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Speaker 7: something that they do in the UK, in the loops

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Speaker 7: in the UK do it already everywhere, and you'd be

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Speaker 7: surprised how many of us attending festivals would throw out

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Speaker 7: anything that we've purchased, really the you go that contains ketin,

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Speaker 7: baby powder, all those things that the gangs mixed the

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Speaker 7: what we're taking, and we also want to ensure that

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Speaker 7: everyone around us is staye.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say, are you saying are you a

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Speaker 7: Absolutely? Beg absolutely yes. Imus of us have a say

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Speaker 7: in the loop in the UK attend a majority of

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Speaker 7: the festivals in they test for free. There's no stigma

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Speaker 7: attached to you going in and getting your pills or

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Speaker 7: your powders tested. I am a living stat with saving.

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Speaker 1: Live and there is evidence out of the UK and

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Speaker 1: America as well that pill testing does impact the black market.

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Speaker 3: Ah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the manufacturing of those substances in the on the

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Speaker 3: Well, if there's a dealer selling bad stuff, people have

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Speaker 3: tested it, they're not going to go back and buy

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Speaker 3: from them. I was just sending me a look online.

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Speaker 3: You can buy bloody testing kits here in Melbourne for Amazon.

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Speaker 4: I think there's yeah, and I think that if this

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Speaker 4: is something that's going to save lives. It's absolutely necessary.

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Speaker 4: There's been much debate about it for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: It's a trial, it's going to be rolled out and

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Speaker 4: I think we should definitely support it.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we've got to take a break. We're going

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Speaker 3: of this to wrap up the topic, someone who can

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Speaker 3: talk firsthand. Her son was a victim of taking something.

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Speaker 3: He's still alive, but he took something that was cut badly.

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Speaker 1: So we've had lots of cause, lots of debate this morning,

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Speaker 1: Jason Lauren.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the cause we're getting through is literally fifty

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Speaker 3: Well, this was Karen on the phone before who was

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Speaker 3: dead set against it. Wouldn't you prefer they got it

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think it makes any difference. They're going

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Speaker 8: to take an illegal drug, legal drugs.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Karen's argument was that drugs are illegal and that's

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, this is something that is saving lives. We've got

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Speaker 1: at Flemington earlier this year. Kathy, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 1: What do you how are you? By the way, thanks

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Speaker 9: Us, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this news?

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Speaker 9: I have a mixed feeling about it. I don't it

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Speaker 9: scares me in a way. You know, my son was

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Speaker 9: It was in all the papers on the news. He

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Speaker 9: do bloods on all of those ones that overdose, him

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Speaker 9: being one of them. And you know, we even thought,

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Speaker 9: oh he's got dirty tablets or it's a dirty dose

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Speaker 9: was nothing else. So all the bloods that came back,

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Speaker 9: they said, it was just it was just a perfect

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Speaker 9: and it just it just exacerbated all of the things

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Speaker 4: And it just Cathy, just quickly. I think it's important

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Speaker 4: that we point out that your son overdosed. But he's

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Speaker 9: Yes, he was in intensive care for two days.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 9: I actually watched. I got there to pick them all up,

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Speaker 9: and I couldn't get in contact with them. And then

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Speaker 9: he's not good, and I just thought, oh, he's drunk

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Speaker 9: It was twenty four hours on life support and then

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Speaker 9: you know, fortunately all of those kids survived. But it

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Speaker 9: just it scares me because had if he had had

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Speaker 9: that pill tested, they would have said, yeah, that's fine

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Speaker 4: And that's the conversation, Kathy, because while we are saying

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Speaker 4: we think it's a you know, many people think it's

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Speaker 4: a great initiative and it will save lives, there has

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Speaker 4: been a conversation that thinks that this will encourage people

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Speaker 2: Has.

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Speaker 4: It's not eradicated by the pill testing. There's still so

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Speaker 3: There's got to be education with it as well, and

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Speaker 3: they get to roll out the plan of how exactly.

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Speaker 4: But I think these conversations, Kathy, thank you so much

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Speaker 9: But I thought I didn't call when you first put

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Speaker 9: they with clean drugs, and we still ended up with

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Speaker 9: the same result. Fortunately he's okay, And I don't know

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Speaker 9: If it does save lives, that's fantastic, but it's not

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Speaker 9: going to be the one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: But if which it sounds like we don't know the

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Speaker 2: How to how to be safe.

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Speaker 1: Kathy, as a mum who has been through a horrible situation,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Does this debate? Does

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Speaker 9: Really?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you feel this morning? You're emotional

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Speaker 9: I am emotional because it all comes back to me

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Speaker 9: Like I'm not naive. They go to parties, you know,

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Speaker 9: they go to festivals, and I say to him, be safe,

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Speaker 9: please don't don't do it. But if you think you know,

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Speaker 9: I have a great relationship. But if you think you know,

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Speaker 9: they think that they're invincible when they're young, like we

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Speaker 9: and you just can't believe it. It's surreal and it's

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Speaker 2: You never think it's going to be your child or

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Speaker 3: You've definitely a different perspective to the argument. I can

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Speaker 2: Cathy, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you jumping on with us this morning because

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Speaker 4: it's it's not an easy conversation.

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Speaker 3: To have, and it's conversation that has to continue as well.

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Speaker 3: Were it. Yeah, we yet to find out all the

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Speaker 3: details of how it'll unfold, but testing needs to come

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Speaker 3: with education.

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Speaker 1: You're on the show tomorrow as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we'll dive into it again. Then this is no

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Speaker 3: Ova Morning.

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Speaker 4: Jason Lauren, Jason Lauren, Wake Up feeling good on over

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