WEBVTT - 5. She's Been Framed! 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:13.641 Approach production. I'm quite pleased with the outcome, and I 0:00:13.681 --> 0:00:15.961 think others have member. I haven't spoken him yet, but 0:00:16.001 --> 0:00:18.961 I believe the other members of the family would be 0:00:19.241 --> 0:00:23.041 certain opinion. Well, you couldn't get a better brother than he. 0:00:25.201 --> 0:00:25.281 Was. 0:00:25.321 --> 0:00:26.961 Truly a really a gentleman. 0:00:28.121 --> 0:00:29.201 I don't think he ever had an. 0:00:29.201 --> 0:00:31.321 Argument with anybody. Every in his life. 0:00:31.481 --> 0:00:35.561 He has always helped anybody wherever he could, always drige 0:00:35.601 --> 0:00:36.201 you lifely. 0:00:37.081 --> 0:00:39.681 We support one another, We're there for one another as 0:00:39.681 --> 0:00:45.361 a family, and we just have to know now and 0:00:45.441 --> 0:00:49.281 be glad that it's all over. That's Robert Whitwell's brother 0:00:49.480 --> 0:00:53.281 outside the court after Britney was sentenced to life imprisonment 0:00:53.361 --> 0:00:56.641 for his murder. How the court case unfolded and the 0:00:56.681 --> 0:00:59.801 things the family learned about Britney's double life was shocking. 0:01:00.441 --> 0:01:04.121 The arrest of Britney happened without the family knowing. Ryan 0:01:04.241 --> 0:01:07.280 was at home, his mum was staying with family back 0:01:07.321 --> 0:01:10.520 in South Australia, and his dad was at the family home. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:16.321 Detectives from Queensland and South Australia are deployed to everyone's 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.761 house all at once. They get everyone on a conference 0:01:19.801 --> 0:01:23.360 call and then tell them Brittany murdered Robert. 0:01:24.321 --> 0:01:27.921 She was picked up this morning, and she's already in 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:32.360 custody and she will most likely be in the watchhouse tonight. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:37.521 And then Extra died. It to Adelaide the next day, 0:01:38.441 --> 0:01:43.041 and as I was telling me this, I'm like, Okay, 0:01:43.081 --> 0:01:45.280 I thought we were here to talk about my grandfather, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.321 and now you're saying that my sister's been arrested and 0:01:49.681 --> 0:01:55.681 for murder. And I just immediately remembered going into a 0:01:55.681 --> 0:01:57.321 bit of a state of shock, and I just went, 0:01:59.361 --> 0:02:10.241 she's been framed. I literally said, she's been framed. My 0:02:10.321 --> 0:02:14.241 mom is dead, silent, my dad is going, what the fuck? 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.000 And then they said it's if she's been arrested for 0:02:19.081 --> 0:02:21.240 murder your grandfather's death. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.520 And I just remember my. 0:02:23.601 --> 0:02:30.001 Mom completely bursting into hysterics like I could. I can 0:02:30.121 --> 0:02:35.921 literally still hear her scream, and it just I just 0:02:36.161 --> 0:02:38.400 I remember just. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:41.960 Everything felt like I was underwater. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.041 You had this just echo, we like your brain has 0:02:47.121 --> 0:02:50.641 just shut down like ten speeds, and I just it was. 0:02:52.121 --> 0:02:53.720 Like an outer body experience. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:03:01.001 And I just remember bursting into tears, still thinking she's 0:03:01.001 --> 0:03:07.321 been framed, and I immediately go to you've got the 0:03:07.361 --> 0:03:12.281 wrong person. It's the other family member, and they ignore that, 0:03:12.761 --> 0:03:16.761 and then the police that are with us are comforting us. 0:03:17.761 --> 0:03:18.721 What did your dad say? 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:24.481 He went into a state of numbness. I immediately when 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.321 that happened, I said to Adam, we need to go 0:03:28.361 --> 0:03:31.881 to my dad's now, which is like fifty minutes away 0:03:31.921 --> 0:03:34.601 from my house, and he's yeah, okay, And so he 0:03:34.721 --> 0:03:38.041 drove fast over there. Already at that point, his brother, 0:03:38.281 --> 0:03:41.041 my uncle, was there. The police had called him because 0:03:41.041 --> 0:03:46.921 my dad was by himself, and my dad just sat 0:03:47.001 --> 0:03:52.361 on the lounge in like a canatonic state, like. I 0:03:53.361 --> 0:03:59.001 was asking him questions and he couldn't really answer. The 0:03:59.041 --> 0:04:03.241 only thing he kept saying was Shelby and Brittany were 0:04:03.321 --> 0:04:05.201 just here for dinner, like two nights go. 0:04:09.761 --> 0:04:12.361 Like most good police work, the net closes in quickly. 0:04:13.161 --> 0:04:15.601 They only make an arrest when they've got enough evidence 0:04:15.641 --> 0:04:18.361 to get a conviction. So while police were telling the 0:04:18.441 --> 0:04:21.681 family it might be something or someone else, they were 0:04:21.721 --> 0:04:25.640 looking into everyone. No doubt, everyone is a person of 0:04:25.721 --> 0:04:29.921 interest until they become a suspect. That, of course, is 0:04:29.961 --> 0:04:32.561 not known to Ryan and his family, and they have 0:04:32.721 --> 0:04:37.001 no idea that police are looking to Brittany as the 0:04:37.081 --> 0:04:41.440 murder of Robert. What was the evidence that police landed 0:04:41.481 --> 0:04:42.921 on to get Brittany? 0:04:44.281 --> 0:04:47.600 The anonymous call was the first part. 0:04:48.561 --> 0:04:51.041 What was that anonymous call to crime stoppers? 0:04:51.041 --> 0:04:54.200 To crime stoppers, I want a report coming that. 0:04:56.521 --> 0:05:01.841 But my flatmate, it was the housemate that made the 0:05:01.921 --> 0:05:04.881 call that ended up coming out that she had overheard 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.041 her talking about this. They were able to use the 0:05:08.081 --> 0:05:11.880 fact that they used the holding Captiva, it was seen 0:05:12.001 --> 0:05:17.881 on highway cameras. They used of my phone pings and 0:05:18.041 --> 0:05:22.640 the text message send points, so whenever they sent a 0:05:22.641 --> 0:05:25.921 text message it was. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:26.121 Like the location. 0:05:26.721 --> 0:05:29.121 They were able to then look at her phone bill 0:05:29.401 --> 0:05:33.041 and see exactly the location of where the phone calls 0:05:33.041 --> 0:05:33.681 were made from. 0:05:34.401 --> 0:05:38.681 How do you find out that information? Does that happen 0:05:38.801 --> 0:05:40.961 in court or is that in the brief of evidence 0:05:40.961 --> 0:05:44.520 as the trial takes place. Because at the start, I 0:05:44.521 --> 0:05:46.121 guess you're thinking she's been framed. 0:05:46.281 --> 0:05:47.601 Yeah, she didn't do this. 0:05:47.801 --> 0:05:50.601 My sister would not kill my granddad. Yeah, she loved 0:05:50.601 --> 0:05:51.241 my granddad. 0:05:51.841 --> 0:05:52.641 Yeah. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:58.600 So on that night, obviously we know nothing. They leave, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.281 I go to my dad's. The police are still there. 0:06:02.201 --> 0:06:05.921 They're not really saying much, just make sure that he's okay, 0:06:07.041 --> 0:06:11.721 and then the next day, I remember. 0:06:12.801 --> 0:06:15.281 It's all over TV that. 0:06:17.081 --> 0:06:21.281 Robert Whitwell was murdered, but they weren't talking about who 0:06:21.281 --> 0:06:27.721 it was. Yeah, and then I get a call actually 0:06:27.721 --> 0:06:35.400 from the advertiser in Adelaide, going, we've been sent information 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:41.161 that your sister has allegedly murdered your grandfather. Do you 0:06:41.161 --> 0:06:43.961 want to comment? And I think I told them to 0:06:44.001 --> 0:06:47.880 fuck off. And at that point I had news reporters 0:06:47.921 --> 0:06:52.361 turn up at the front door. They wanted comments. We 0:06:52.481 --> 0:06:56.521 jumped in the car, actually drove to my ex partner's 0:06:57.641 --> 0:07:02.561 family's house. They were calling his parents to try and 0:07:02.601 --> 0:07:06.320 get in contact with me. And then at that point 0:07:06.481 --> 0:07:10.321 it hits the news that it's Brittany and that's when 0:07:10.361 --> 0:07:12.801 I started to find out some of the stuff. 0:07:12.881 --> 0:07:15.161 So you're not finding this out from the police, you're 0:07:15.161 --> 0:07:16.681 finding this out from the media. 0:07:16.521 --> 0:07:19.601 Or from the media. So I had friends that knew 0:07:19.681 --> 0:07:21.241 before I did, and. 0:07:21.201 --> 0:07:23.481 The media goes into a frenzy. We know this right 0:07:23.641 --> 0:07:27.601 the moment something like this happens, this is a big story. Yeah, 0:07:28.001 --> 0:07:32.401 it's not a story that really happens in Australia very often. No, 0:07:32.961 --> 0:07:39.881 certainly not a granddaughter murdering the grandfather for money. Yeah, 0:07:39.961 --> 0:07:42.521 so you're hounded, and your mum's hounded, and anyone with 0:07:42.641 --> 0:07:46.201 your surname, which is an easy surname to find. 0:07:46.121 --> 0:07:47.481 Yeah, it's pretty recognizable. 0:07:47.641 --> 0:07:50.481 It just goes on the hunt. Yeah, looks at your Facebook, 0:07:50.961 --> 0:07:51.801 her Facebook. 0:07:52.161 --> 0:07:55.600 Ye, takes whatever they want whatever photos. 0:07:55.281 --> 0:07:58.521 Has a feel invasive. Yeah. 0:07:58.601 --> 0:08:02.601 I actually until that scenario had happened, I didn't understand 0:08:02.601 --> 0:08:06.641 the gravity of what social media can do in many ways, 0:08:07.441 --> 0:08:10.841 feeling so violated that you don't even own your photos anymore. 0:08:10.841 --> 0:08:15.600 When they go up online, they use whatever whenever old 0:08:16.481 --> 0:08:20.801 statuses which we all have those cringey twenty ten updates 0:08:20.881 --> 0:08:23.601 that they deep dive in and use. 0:08:24.201 --> 0:08:26.841 But friends of yours that they then go and contact. 0:08:26.881 --> 0:08:29.081 We know, I know all this because that's how we 0:08:29.201 --> 0:08:32.361 found you. Yeah, we did the same years later. We 0:08:32.401 --> 0:08:34.401 didn't know each other. We just reached out. 0:08:34.521 --> 0:08:37.961 Yeah, exactly, so the same. Yeah, they go through friends. 0:08:38.041 --> 0:08:42.361 They asked friends where I might be called workplaces, turn 0:08:42.441 --> 0:08:43.361 up at workplaces. 0:08:43.841 --> 0:08:47.081 Yes, it's I don't know. 0:08:47.521 --> 0:08:48.041 It just. 0:08:50.001 --> 0:08:52.441 I don't think your brain even wants to believe what 0:08:52.481 --> 0:08:58.481 you're hearing. It does take time to process it all, 0:08:58.841 --> 0:09:09.281 and yes, it just does take time to you go 0:09:09.401 --> 0:09:15.601 through grief, you go through, you disbelief. I needed to 0:09:15.721 --> 0:09:21.001 find proof of what they were accusing my daughter of 0:09:22.041 --> 0:09:25.481 because I didn't think she was capable of anything. And 0:09:25.521 --> 0:09:30.481 I'm saying, well, where's the proof. I need proof, not 0:09:30.721 --> 0:09:34.361 just that you've seen a car here there, and that 0:09:34.521 --> 0:09:35.481 I need proof. 0:09:36.321 --> 0:09:39.001 What was the moment for you that it turned from 0:09:39.521 --> 0:09:42.601 my sister's been framed to my sister's a murderer. 0:09:44.881 --> 0:09:45.881 Actually, it was. 0:09:47.721 --> 0:09:51.601 This message that I got from my best friend at 0:09:51.601 --> 0:09:56.681 the time, Rachelle. She sent me this article and went 0:09:58.161 --> 0:10:02.121 is this true? And I remember looking at it and 0:10:02.241 --> 0:10:07.641 just going, it's real. It happened, and I was on 0:10:07.721 --> 0:10:10.481 the Gold Coast at this time, and I just remember 0:10:10.521 --> 0:10:14.881 looking at it, going, she's done it. And the article 0:10:14.961 --> 0:10:19.201 specifically was the first one that was released where my 0:10:19.321 --> 0:10:24.721 sister had confirmed everything and the words came out of 0:10:24.761 --> 0:10:26.081 her mouth that she did it. 0:10:27.041 --> 0:10:29.001 And that's when it really hit. 0:10:29.641 --> 0:10:33.641 I ended up having a phone bill that came in 0:10:34.321 --> 0:10:36.801 and I had my phone bill and I had Britney's 0:10:36.801 --> 0:10:39.721 phone bill, all on the same plan, and it was 0:10:39.761 --> 0:10:44.961 all itemized, and it wasn't until I went in to 0:10:45.041 --> 0:10:48.721 that last phone bill and I could see she was 0:10:48.761 --> 0:10:55.841 in Adelaide and Sydney and Townsville and mckae And that 0:10:56.041 --> 0:10:59.481 was my proof. I could see now what the police 0:10:59.601 --> 0:11:02.281 was saying, that they had tracked to her car on 0:11:02.361 --> 0:11:05.641 different cameras and things like that in different but that 0:11:05.801 --> 0:11:09.881 was my proof when I actually saw the phone, the 0:11:09.961 --> 0:11:12.081 itemized phone bill. 0:11:13.241 --> 0:11:15.041 What do you do then, how do you feel at 0:11:15.041 --> 0:11:17.961 that moment where you found the proof yourself. The police 0:11:18.001 --> 0:11:21.681 have said it was your daughter, It's obviously that's a 0:11:21.721 --> 0:11:24.521 hard thing to believe. But when you see it for yourself, 0:11:25.441 --> 0:11:26.481 what's that feeling like? 0:11:26.761 --> 0:11:31.081 I think that just it starts to thinking like, wow, 0:11:31.961 --> 0:11:36.801 what what the police are saying is true? And because 0:11:36.841 --> 0:11:42.001 you're in denial at first, and then it's wow, yeah, 0:11:42.841 --> 0:11:47.081 and you know the prostitution and all this that we 0:11:47.201 --> 0:11:51.561 didn't know, and the police knew what, you know, what 0:11:51.601 --> 0:11:57.921 her movements were just before that happened, and it just 0:11:58.441 --> 0:12:02.961 becomes real. It just becomes big. It's like a slap 0:12:02.961 --> 0:12:07.561 in the face. This is reality. This is what happened, 0:12:07.761 --> 0:12:12.161 and they are telling me the truth. And I wanted 0:12:12.161 --> 0:12:18.201 to talk to Brittany when she was when she had 0:12:18.241 --> 0:12:23.001 already been arrested, and she wouldn't she wouldn't speak to me, 0:12:24.561 --> 0:12:29.601 so I've never spoken to her since this happened, which 0:12:29.641 --> 0:12:30.401 is really sad. 0:12:32.401 --> 0:12:36.681 I think the moment she confessed and agreed to confess 0:12:36.921 --> 0:12:41.481 was that they had already arrested Shelby. I actually think 0:12:41.521 --> 0:12:46.081 Shelby was the first one that they had. Shelby pretty 0:12:46.121 --> 0:12:51.281 much agreed to cooperate and gave them access to. 0:12:51.561 --> 0:12:54.081 Everything essentially text message. 0:12:53.801 --> 0:12:57.841 Text messages, phone calls, photos. 0:12:57.161 --> 0:12:59.881 The bag. Yeah, the contents of what was in the 0:12:59.921 --> 0:13:00.721 bag because. 0:13:02.121 --> 0:13:04.081 Their Facebook messenger posts, which. 0:13:03.921 --> 0:13:09.001 Makes the police very easy, Yeah, to get into it. 0:13:09.001 --> 0:13:12.401 It's important to say that Shelby wasn't convicted of anything 0:13:12.441 --> 0:13:16.641 to do with your granddad's murder. She was convicted of trespass. 0:13:16.681 --> 0:13:18.841 And accessory is aggravated dress pass. 0:13:19.001 --> 0:13:21.521 That's right. She was not attached in any way to 0:13:21.601 --> 0:13:22.721 the murder of your granddad. 0:13:22.841 --> 0:13:23.241 Correct. 0:13:26.201 --> 0:13:29.521 Two questions. Firstly, has your mum when your sister confesses 0:13:29.881 --> 0:13:31.441 to killing your granddad. 0:13:36.721 --> 0:13:37.161 Not good? 0:13:37.561 --> 0:13:40.961 I think out of all of us, mum took at 0:13:40.961 --> 0:13:44.441 the hardest, which her father and her daughter killed him. 0:13:45.001 --> 0:13:47.641 Just that sentence alone shouldn't even be strung together. 0:13:47.801 --> 0:13:49.121 It's just not normal. 0:13:53.081 --> 0:13:58.361 She essentially turned into a vegetable is the best way 0:13:58.401 --> 0:13:59.361 I could describe it. 0:14:00.721 --> 0:14:02.761 It was like her brain was. 0:14:02.761 --> 0:14:06.521 A bucket of water and the more you added in, 0:14:07.401 --> 0:14:10.921 the rest just spilled out. And she just couldn't She 0:14:10.921 --> 0:14:14.641 couldn't take on any of the information. And I think 0:14:14.681 --> 0:14:17.521 the saving grace a bit was that she was in Wallaroo, 0:14:17.561 --> 0:14:21.081 which is a remote sort of sea town in South Australia, 0:14:21.161 --> 0:14:24.401 so no one knew where she was in terms of 0:14:24.641 --> 0:14:26.961 the media and all of that, so she was able 0:14:27.001 --> 0:14:28.441 to really deal with it there. 0:14:30.081 --> 0:14:35.641 I blame myself in the way of, you know, why 0:14:35.681 --> 0:14:38.681 didn't I pick up on things, and why didn't I 0:14:38.801 --> 0:14:42.241 know what she was doing? And why did I work 0:14:42.321 --> 0:14:45.081 full time? Well, why didn't I stay at home like 0:14:45.161 --> 0:14:48.081 I did raising Ryan. I was stay at home mum. 0:14:48.161 --> 0:14:50.961 Why wasn't I there for her? I think that's the 0:14:51.001 --> 0:14:54.041 whole thing that she got away with so much because 0:14:54.881 --> 0:14:58.041 I worked full time and I commuted every day, so 0:14:58.241 --> 0:15:02.641 my commute to work was between two and three hours 0:15:02.641 --> 0:15:05.681 a day on top of you know where and seven 0:15:05.721 --> 0:15:08.361 eight hours a day, so there were long days and 0:15:09.161 --> 0:15:13.241 she was at home, you know, and going to school 0:15:13.281 --> 0:15:15.241 and things like that. But she had a lot of 0:15:15.281 --> 0:15:19.001 spare time where we weren't actually keeping an eye on 0:15:19.081 --> 0:15:21.401 her every every hour. 0:15:21.681 --> 0:15:24.401 But you now know that it wasn't your fault. You 0:15:25.641 --> 0:15:32.001 couldn't have changed what happened. What happened happened, and what 0:15:32.041 --> 0:15:34.961 Britney did isn't a result of anything that you did. 0:15:35.361 --> 0:15:38.441 I don't know. I have in my mind one day 0:15:38.721 --> 0:15:41.361 we will speak again and she will fill in the 0:15:41.361 --> 0:15:49.161 blanks for me the things that we don't know. And 0:15:48.441 --> 0:15:52.161 that's what I have in my mind. But I still do, 0:15:53.041 --> 0:15:55.121 not so much to blame myself, but I just think, 0:15:55.201 --> 0:15:57.361 why wasn't I there, and why didn't I know? And 0:15:57.401 --> 0:16:01.561 why could she talk to me? But that's hard. 0:16:03.681 --> 0:16:07.321 My mum had a very big job as the executive 0:16:07.321 --> 0:16:11.201 assistant for the Transport Minister and essentially had to go 0:16:11.241 --> 0:16:17.321 on permanently because the stress and anxiety of just basic 0:16:17.481 --> 0:16:19.761 things she couldn't get through. 0:16:20.321 --> 0:16:23.841 You know, I did resign from my government job because 0:16:23.881 --> 0:16:28.361 I just didn't want to go back to that corporate 0:16:28.441 --> 0:16:34.361 world and been on the train every day and that 0:16:34.601 --> 0:16:38.961 just and people, just the people that I used to 0:16:39.281 --> 0:16:42.641 work with. You know, it's like, wow, it's on the news, 0:16:42.841 --> 0:16:46.121 and wow, I work with her, But they just don't 0:16:47.641 --> 0:16:53.441 have empathy and it's just on the news and wow, 0:16:54.081 --> 0:16:57.321 and then you know in five minutes time, they're thinking, 0:16:57.881 --> 0:17:03.961 aren't you over this yet? And you know the reality is, 0:17:04.041 --> 0:17:09.520 with the police involved and all that process, it goes 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.961 on for a long time. So yeah, I had two 0:17:14.001 --> 0:17:18.400 months off work in the beginning, and then I tried 0:17:18.441 --> 0:17:20.641 to go back to work, but there was just still 0:17:20.761 --> 0:17:23.960 too much going on and the police still ringing me 0:17:24.041 --> 0:17:28.200 and updating me and telling me new facts that I 0:17:28.241 --> 0:17:33.160 didn't know, and you know, it's such a shock every 0:17:33.281 --> 0:17:40.160 time you learn something new, and yeah, it takes a 0:17:40.201 --> 0:17:44.001 while for it to actually just thinkingto your head. So 0:17:44.120 --> 0:17:47.001 that I could not go back to work, so I 0:17:47.120 --> 0:17:48.201 ended up resigning. 0:17:53.321 --> 0:17:54.521 I'll give you an example. 0:17:54.521 --> 0:17:58.041 Will be at the house and there will just be 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:03.080 a bird chirping, and it is so elevated in her 0:18:03.201 --> 0:18:08.080 head that noise it will set her off. And this 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.321 is what I mean by just in a catatotic state. 0:18:12.961 --> 0:18:18.600 She then moved into being suicidal, thinking about wanting to 0:18:18.721 --> 0:18:23.001 end it. And the one thing that she has said 0:18:23.001 --> 0:18:29.360 to me is that the only reason why I didn't 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.041 was because of me, that I don't want to leave 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.801 my son behind and that that's not fair. 0:18:37.441 --> 0:18:46.321 But That's how she was for a long time. And 0:18:46.441 --> 0:18:46.880 your dad. 0:18:49.201 --> 0:18:52.361 I think my dad did the blow key thing and 0:18:52.521 --> 0:18:57.561 just chose to believe it didn't happen and not talk 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:04.721 about it, just hide, essentially to the point that there 0:19:04.761 --> 0:19:06.721 was one time where he got on a plane and 0:19:06.761 --> 0:19:10.200 went to Germany did some business over there for a while, 0:19:10.360 --> 0:19:12.441 just to I think, get away from it all. 0:19:12.961 --> 0:19:15.241 Because Brittany was closest to your dad than your mom. 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.360 Yeah, yeah, they were very close. 0:19:18.681 --> 0:19:21.761 Are you able to speak to Brittany after she's charged. 0:19:23.521 --> 0:19:27.201 We're allowed to, but she didn't want to. 0:19:28.681 --> 0:19:32.321 She did speak to my dad, and I think that 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:37.680 was a few weeks after it all happened, but. 0:19:37.721 --> 0:19:39.041 She did not want to speak to me, and she 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.321 did not want to speak to my mom. 0:19:40.561 --> 0:19:45.160 Would she said, I think at that point when she 0:19:45.441 --> 0:19:50.281 was in jail, she's pretty heavily medicated. When she was 0:19:50.321 --> 0:19:54.680 speaking to Dad, she just asked him how he was. 0:19:55.921 --> 0:19:58.521 My sister was like, my dad said, like, why did 0:19:58.561 --> 0:20:03.480 you do it? She wouldn't really answer. He actually drove, 0:20:03.921 --> 0:20:06.401 I think again, to deal with everything. He took time 0:20:06.441 --> 0:20:11.880 off work and went fishing and drove from Brisbane to 0:20:11.921 --> 0:20:15.200 Adelaide to do fishing and go see her in jail. 0:20:16.281 --> 0:20:19.360 My dad said she just wasn't all there when he 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:20.161 went and saw her. 0:20:21.561 --> 0:20:26.241 How does this sort of thing affect the family unit. 0:20:27.281 --> 0:20:33.321 It's quite destructive from any family member. When any person 0:20:33.441 --> 0:20:37.801 whenever it's a situation like what we have here, where 0:20:38.761 --> 0:20:43.161 it's my mom's daughter and my mom's dad, but then 0:20:43.201 --> 0:20:48.841 it's my dad's daughter and not his parents, you immediately 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.360 get this sense of divide. And my dad was very 0:20:52.481 --> 0:20:59.041 much my daughter's in jail, and he still wants to 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:03.920 look out for her. But then my mom is my 0:21:04.041 --> 0:21:08.960 daughter killed my dad, and I'm done. There's just no 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.001 coming back from that. And so I think they were 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.321 very much in two minds about how to deal with 0:21:15.360 --> 0:21:20.920 the situation, and it just never it just it only 0:21:20.961 --> 0:21:25.081 grew and got worse, and so they filed for divorce. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:32.480 So, during this horrible thing that happened, your parents are 0:21:32.481 --> 0:21:37.120 still together. Yeah, successful business, mum's got a great job. 0:21:38.441 --> 0:21:41.840 What they think is a nice family unit. This thing 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.921 that your sister did is murder that your sister committed, 0:21:45.201 --> 0:21:46.281 pulled your family. 0:21:46.001 --> 0:21:55.721 Apart, completely sent it all different ways. It's a sense 0:21:55.721 --> 0:21:56.160 of blame. 0:21:57.120 --> 0:22:03.721 Absolutely, this wouldn't have happened if she hadn't done this, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:09.241 maybe you could speculate that my parents would have grown 0:22:09.281 --> 0:22:14.760 apart later down the track ten twenty years. But the 0:22:14.801 --> 0:22:20.121 pain of going through something like that and my dad 0:22:20.201 --> 0:22:23.160 still wanting to talk to her and my mom not 0:22:23.521 --> 0:22:28.840 you just it's too heavy that that's a side. It's 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.801 not like your Oh that's my football team, and I 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.360 prefer this football team. This is something that is just 0:22:35.441 --> 0:22:38.481 fundamentally soul destroying. 0:22:40.481 --> 0:22:44.561 Was there a sense of anyone blaming themselves for Britney's behavior? 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:49.201 Yeah, definitely, I think did you. There was a lot 0:22:49.241 --> 0:22:52.440 that I said that what could I have done to 0:22:52.441 --> 0:22:56.761 stop this? And I think back about I knew deep 0:22:56.801 --> 0:22:59.760 down in my gut that Brittany was going down a 0:22:59.801 --> 0:23:03.080 really bad path, and that's why I asked her to 0:23:03.120 --> 0:23:06.761 move in with me. And I still feel that I 0:23:06.801 --> 0:23:10.001 should have been harder and forced her to do therapy 0:23:10.241 --> 0:23:14.000 or get a proper job and not resort to this 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.761 sort of life that has led her to this path. 0:23:17.041 --> 0:23:19.880 And yeah, there was a lot of blame on myself 0:23:20.360 --> 0:23:23.360 from that perspective, and then my mom as well. My 0:23:23.441 --> 0:23:25.721 mom was saying what did she do as a mother? 0:23:26.681 --> 0:23:29.480 What did she miss as a mother? Like how could 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:34.440 this have been prevented? Did she work too much? Should 0:23:34.481 --> 0:23:37.561 she have been home more? Those sorts of those sort 0:23:37.561 --> 0:23:39.080 of things. So yeah, I think we all had a 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:39.680 sense of blame. 0:23:41.281 --> 0:23:44.880 Other than Royan, I pretty much lost my whole family all, 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:50.120 you know, within a year anyway, and that just pulled 0:23:50.120 --> 0:23:53.880 the rugs from underneath me, and I just wild for 0:23:53.921 --> 0:23:58.721 a while. But now I'm happy where I am now. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.761 Roan and I are very quiet, and I just have 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.080 a tiny little fit. Have nicknamed. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.361 In the next episode of My Sister the Murderer, your 0:24:12.360 --> 0:24:15.521 sister's in court in that first do you make eye 0:24:15.521 --> 0:24:16.080 contact with it? 0:24:16.681 --> 0:24:20.840 I tried very hard, just I was sort of looking 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:27.561 for some sort of sense of remorse. I guess accountability. 0:24:32.481 --> 0:24:35.561 We were sat down. We were at the back row actually, 0:24:36.041 --> 0:24:40.681 and to directly to my right and down I can 0:24:40.721 --> 0:24:44.840 see the dock, and I saw them lead Brittany out. 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.120 It is not possible to adequately summarize the enormity of 0:24:49.201 --> 0:24:52.921 the distress and profound anguish that these members of the 0:24:52.961 --> 0:24:55.200 Whitwell and Dwyer families. 0:24:55.001 --> 0:24:59.600 And some victim impact statements were read, and to hear them, 0:25:01.201 --> 0:25:03.921 I guess the fact of what she actually had said 0:25:03.921 --> 0:25:06.840 in those text messages up doing it and going through 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.801 with it. You know, I remember hearing her mom just 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.680 sort of have a bit of a shrill, I guess 0:25:13.761 --> 0:25:20.441 is the way I would describe it, Like not a scream, 0:25:20.441 --> 0:25:23.360 not really weeping, but just like hearing it. 0:25:23.360 --> 0:25:25.080 It was like she just got stabbed herself. 0:25:25.761 --> 0:25:26.041 It was. 0:25:26.120 --> 0:25:27.200 Yeah, it's quite awful. 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:34.600 The victim impact statement. Your mum read one and you 0:25:34.681 --> 0:25:39.360 also read one. Do you have that with you? Would 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:40.041 you read it first?