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Speaker 1: I get a team, welcome another installment of the Youth Project.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what it's called. I was thinking it was

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Speaker 1: something else for a moment, but fuck it. I just

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Speaker 1: looked over my right shoulder and no, it is the

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Speaker 1: Youth Project. Scott Douglas is looking for reasons that might

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Speaker 1: reveal themselves in the next five to ten minutes. He's

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Speaker 1: looking somewhat awkward and clunky. Over there, he's normally looking.

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Speaker 1: He's normally looking relaxed. Scott, are you okay?

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Speaker 2: I'm very good, Thank you, mister Harper. How are you today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so great to have you back. Scott Douglas, what's

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Speaker 3: going on? All right?

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Speaker 2: I'm very good, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I had a fat, fantastic weekend and I went for

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Speaker 4: swin today, so I'm actually quite relaxed.

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Speaker 1: And tell tell the good listeners. We're recording this Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: two thirty seven in the PM, which is good because

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Speaker 1: it would be stupid otherwise it'd be the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night.

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Speaker 3: What you did on the weekend?

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Speaker 4: I went up to bright and I was an assistant

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Speaker 4: to the race director, so I drove one of the

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Speaker 4: cars literally behind groups large groups of cyclists for the

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Speaker 4: whole of the race, and it was without far one

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Speaker 4: of the most amazing.

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Speaker 2: Things I've had the privilege I've been involved in.

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Speaker 1: Now, what was your specific role other than hanging off

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Speaker 1: the big dog and going a look at me?

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Speaker 4: So I had a god named Greg in the front seat,

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Speaker 4: and he has like he's been in charge of Tour

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Speaker 2: And he literally would tell me exactly what to do

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Speaker 2: in a very stern voice, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Like he would say, please get closer, Please get close.

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Speaker 4: I need that guy's number. And we would literally do

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Speaker 4: in eighty kilometers an hour. So the bikes are doing

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Speaker 4: and I would pull up beside a cyclist and he

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Speaker 4: and then we'd back off.

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Speaker 2: And he's like the judge. He's at the head judge

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Speaker 1: Now, hang on, I should clarify because you're a motorcyclist

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Speaker 1: the driver.

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Speaker 3: Were you on a bike or in a car?

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Speaker 2: In a car?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: And and so you were were You were not there in

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Speaker 1: as a paramedic.

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Speaker 4: No, but I was constantly asked about when there was crashes,

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Speaker 4: so I sort of was there on a consulting basis,

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Speaker 4: like do you think we need an ambulance?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do.

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Speaker 4: My actual role was to drive the two head judges

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Speaker 1: What I You know what I find interesting about you.

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Speaker 1: You're a man of many talents and a doer of

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Speaker 1: many things. But I find it funny because you're kind

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Speaker 1: of would you call yourself an introvert, an extrovert or

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Speaker 1: an ambivert, which is kind of you can switch?

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Speaker 3: Or do you think it's a bit context dependent? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think it's.

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Speaker 4: I trust you, so I happily will discuss subjects that

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't trust with I wouldn't trust with other people.

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Speaker 4: I know you're never going to make me look silly,

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Speaker 4: So I happily have a conversation with you, which is

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Speaker 4: the rons and it goes to air. But I don't

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Speaker 4: have to be room on those people are listening. But

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Speaker 4: there's aspects of my life that are no one's business

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Speaker 4: but mine, and I don't want.

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Speaker 2: To share them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 2: It's everyone really, So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, I think so. I mean what

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Speaker 3: I love about you is you are you are? You

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Speaker 3: are a.

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Speaker 1: You're an atypical excellent communicator because you have a kind

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Speaker 1: of a weird, clunky, but beautifully creative and interesting way

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Speaker 1: building connection in a way that nobody could ever fucking teach.

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Speaker 1: If I tried to teach someone to be you, to

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Speaker 1: communicate like you, I would not know where to start.

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes I don't know where to start either.

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Speaker 4: But sometimes someone asks me what I think is a

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Speaker 1: You've been really open in the last oh I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many episodes we've done together talking about the

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Speaker 1: trials and tribulations and traumas of being a first responder,

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Speaker 1: specifically with you a paramedic, and the fact that you

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Speaker 1: have or do use a psych I think a psychologist

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And I have an ironically die listens to your podcast

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Speaker 4: Oll I die, she will be so stoked that you

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Speaker 2: And then I'm seeing her this Saturday.

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Speaker 3: So which ones die?

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Speaker 4: She's the psych she's the psych, so yes, and she's

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Speaker 4: loving her. I honestly believe I wouldn't have the capacity

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Speaker 4: to even have this conversation with you, mate, so absolutely, adore.

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Speaker 2: I dedicated my first book to her.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, apart from my understanding of course of

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Speaker 4: One can prescribe medication. Yeah, so that would literally is

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Speaker 4: a difference. And I'm literally, you know, in the in

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Speaker 2: We are now talking honestly about what's going on with me.

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Speaker 4: So I have started a new medication which is a

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Speaker 4: trial medication, but for me, it's actually worked incredibly well.

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Speaker 4: And I literally had to have a conversation with my

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Speaker 4: So I was very quite hesitant to try medication. I

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Speaker 2: Think, or I communicate or I operate.

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Speaker 4: But this particular medication for me personally and adotally has

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Speaker 2: That's actually why I it stops nightmares.

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Speaker 1: And so would it be fair to say that one

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think that's a really good analogy, mate.

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Speaker 4: And some of the conversations I've had with Die about

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Speaker 2: And I don't even remember that thing that.

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Speaker 4: She asks me about until she asks me, and you

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Speaker 4: then you start talking not too similar to when me

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Speaker 4: I had not remembered that until you sort of pulled

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Speaker 3: We know trauma is shit, of course, and we know

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that comes out of trauma that's a positive?

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Speaker 1: I know Paul Taylor talks about post traumatic growth and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, your capacity to like everyone's worst day is their

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Speaker 4: that's fucking traumatic. Yeah, that's obviously not my worst day,

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Speaker 4: and you never want it to be a pissing contest.

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Speaker 4: But I've certainly had days then they stack and you go, well,

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Speaker 4: this isn't as bad as that. So you do this

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Speaker 4: capacity to then enter a house. And that's something that

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Speaker 4: we talk about with our students, like students are on

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Speaker 4: how do you walk into that situation where you've done it,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting how like and I don't think my days

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Speaker 1: turned out to be one of my best days. You know,

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Speaker 1: clearly I don't want that to happen again. But where

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Speaker 2: May I say something about that, Craig?

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Speaker 4: Do you And this would be a question to you,

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Speaker 4: do you believe it has made that experience for you,

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Speaker 4: has made you a better person? And my second question

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know if I'm a good person

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Speaker 1: or not. And I'm not fishing when I say that.

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Speaker 1: I hope I am. But I don't think that's for

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Speaker 1: always had a reasonable perspective. That's not true. When I

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Speaker 1: I care about him. It's one of my best friends

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I guess the point I'm making is I had the

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Speaker 3: So for me, it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thought to myself, if I stop now, it's okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you don't do this anymore.

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Speaker 2: I think I did a good job.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to open a slightly uncomfortable door, but

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Speaker 1: fuck it, it's my show. So when you're navigating mental

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Speaker 1: health stuff, right, and you're trying to manage you, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: and you are you are, like you're trying to keep

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Speaker 1: yourself together and be a good in your case, good dad,

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Speaker 1: good friend, good paramedic, good medical professional, good writer, good

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Speaker 3: You're almost a co host now all of the things.

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Speaker 3: Do you worry about getting in a relationship? Yes, do

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Speaker 3: you think? Do you think? I don't know if that's

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Speaker 3: a good idea?

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Speaker 1: Did you go for a motorbike ride? Did you eat food?

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Speaker 4: Well, in what way have you not seen her, Deltoyd's Craig, Like,

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Speaker 3: How did you go with that tip?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 3: Look at you. I've never seen you.

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Speaker 1: Talk less on this show, and I've never seen you embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: That's all right, as long as we just got to

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Speaker 2: That's cool. We'll just keep having coffee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what about the dance? What about the

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 3: Hello? Come in? Hello? Anyone? Anyone? All right?

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Speaker 1: It's hot. All right, let's let's move on. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk about other shit. Congratulations, TIF, congrats, Scottie, congrats

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Speaker 1: all silliness side. I love you both, and I think

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much, that's good, mate, that's good.

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Speaker 1: So what do you what are you doing now other

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Speaker 1: and she's exhausted. I'm not saying refer to question one,

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Speaker 4: And that was interesting because I actually got the dog

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Speaker 2: So it's really that good.

446
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: And also, Tiff, I'm just fucking with you. I'll stop. Oh,

447
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: this is the best time I've ever had on a podcast.

448
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: And what about you, Tip, do you just like, has

449
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: it changed the way that you think about stuff or

450
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: in terms of or it's just business as usual, but

451
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: Scott is in your life now.

452
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, it's it's very distracting, Harps, I'm

453
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 5: not getting much work done.

454
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: I don't know.

455
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 5: I just I just never saw it coming, Like I

456
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 5: just had resolved to probably maybe not having the capacity

457
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 5: to let someone in like this.

458
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's great. Yeah, I never thought.

459
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: I didn't think you would have a boyfriend or a

460
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: bloke for I didn't think ever, but I thought for

461
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: quite a while because you were pretty like, you know,

462
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: fuck men, you're a little bit fuck men. Yeah, yeah, Scott,

463
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: you need to get back on microphone. Son, I sorry, Yeah,

464
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: we heard that, Scotty. You said that you listened to

465
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: episode twenty sixty four and I don't even know that

466
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: was Tiff, and I was it.

467
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: It was amazing.

468
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: I feel like, was that very recent? I don't know

469
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: what Monday I remember? Yeah, is that the one where

470
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: we're at the end? TIF we went that was maybe

471
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: the best you and me chat we've ever done.

472
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: What did you like about it?

473
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 4: I love the way you talked about the whole friendship

474
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: thing and people lifting you up.

475
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: And stuff like I really didn't like.

476
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 4: As a listener, I love it, not say And obviously

477
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 4: I have the privilege of knowing you both, and I

478
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: was trying to be very quite subjective about it. I

479
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 4: thought I could be, and I actually messaged Tiff and said,

480
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 4: this isn't that podcast, mate, or bullshit aside.

481
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: That's a beautiful podcast. It really was. But I just

482
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 2: the way you put it together.

483
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you.

484
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm a bit of a contradiction because

485
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: on the one hand, like I deal with really like

486
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: both you, like I deal with really hard things. Really,

487
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: I deal with people who are suicidal and ideal with

488
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: people who have got massive issues and but like I

489
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: need to have light and shade, you know, and I'm

490
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: dealing with stuff with my dad at the moment.

491
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 3: There's a few hard things going on.

492
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: But I think doing all of that, and even having

493
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: these conversations, it makes you think deeply about what actually

494
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: like really matters, like what you know. And it's all

495
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: and tif and I've said this before, it's all well

496
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: and good to talk about values and living.

497
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: In alignment and you know, but like when you.

498
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: Get away from the fluff and the hyperbole of a podcast,

499
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: where you can, you know, if you're like me, you

500
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: can make it sound good because I've got skills, you know,

501
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: and you can get on here and you can bang

502
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: on and you can sound noble and nice and a

503
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: bit clever. But it kind of really matters what you're

504
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: doing when you're off the podcast. And I think that

505
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: I think the more that we can, you know, even

506
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: when I say to you two, like I ask you

507
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: that question, which obviously I'm fucking around and I'm being silly,

508
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: but I kind of think I wonder if any of

509
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: the listeners are wondering if that's happened yet, right, So.

510
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: So I go, I'm just fuck it. I'm just going

511
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: to throw it out there.

512
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: I know they're not going to answer, but you know,

513
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: it's trying to have an awareness of other people, like

514
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: what am I like for them?

515
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: Really? And what is this show like? And what is

516
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: this interaction like?

517
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: And I think you know, being the kind of person

518
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: that people want to be around. If that's you, I

519
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: think you're doing something well, you know.

520
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And like that's the whole thing of you

521
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 4: spend the most the most time you spend with someone

522
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: as you how about making that person interesting that's interesting

523
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: for you, then it's a high probability you're going to

524
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: be interesting for the person that you interact with. Yes,

525
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 4: And that can be as simple as reading books or

526
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 4: just learning music or listening to a podcast where you

527
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: develop an opinion about something.

528
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: You look into that.

529
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 4: Opinion and next thing you know, you're having quite a

530
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: robust conversation with someone in regards to a subject that

531
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: maybe you weren't going to discuss.

532
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: Before, which is a lot a lot. You know, this

533
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 2: is the beauty of what you guys do.

534
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: And also genuinely being in like really being interested in someone,

535
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: not just trying to keep the conversation going. But actually

536
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: being interested in or curious about what they do. You know,

537
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: I think that that when when people feel like they

538
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: are the center of your attention and they are actually

539
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: the center of your attention, there's something powerful in that,

540
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: And I think, and I don't always do that. I

541
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: try to do that, but you know, I actually had

542
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: a meeting yesterday with doctor Denise Vaness and Melissa.

543
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 3: We're doing a little project.

544
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: And I got off and I was in fucking obrah

545
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Iron's windscreens in Clayton, right. I'd sit there for three

546
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: hours while I've got a new wind screen put in

547
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: my carts. That's a terrific way to pass the time,

548
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: boys and girls. But anyway, so I had a one

549
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: hour meeting and I got off that meeting.

550
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: In fact, it was an hour and twenty minutes.

551
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I got off that and I'm sitting in this waiting

552
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: room with headphones on, doing a meeting on my phone,

553
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: and I was a bit grumpy. I was a bit

554
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: worried about my dad. I was a bit grumpy because

555
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: it was hot in this room, and I was a

556
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: bit feeling sorry for myself. And I came away from

557
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: that with an awareness that I don't think that would

558
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: have been an awesome experience for her, and I rang

559
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: her this I rang her this morning and said, I

560
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: want to apologize for not being the best me that

561
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: I could be yesterday when we had our meeting. And

562
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything wrong and we did what we

563
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: needed to do, but I was just aware that I

564
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: didn't bring great energy into that experience with her, and

565
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I felt bad and she was. She didn't she didn't say, yeah,

566
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: thank god you rang me, because she's like, well, it

567
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: was fine to me, but thank you. But yeah, I

568
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: just I care, not from an insecurity point of view,

569
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: but I care that being around me is, for the

570
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: most part, a good experience for people.

571
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: I think that's all you could want for yourself. Craig,

572
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 4: Like you know if you enter a room and you

573
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 4: engage with people like you because I've listened to your

574
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 4: podcast and I often say to myself, what is the

575
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 4: Scott Douglas experience like for this person?

576
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago?

577
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: I never would have done that. But literally standing in

578
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: a room sometimes and go for some people I'm a level.

579
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: Out of and it's too much, And I literally have

580
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: a dial where in my brain I dial it down

581
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: a little.

582
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: Bit, because I can be like, I'm nathetic and I've

583
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: got a lot of stuff going on.

584
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: But then if you can.

585
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: Read the room, if you had the capacity to read

586
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: the room, and you just lighten it a little bit,

587
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: and for those people, it's enough, and that's lovely. If

588
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: you're able to do that.

589
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: How do you know which version of you you need

590
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: to be?

591
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: And when I say which version, I'm not talking about

592
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: any manufactured, disingenuous persona, but how you need to show up,

593
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: Like if you're at a university talking a bunch of

594
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: second year paramedic students, or you're talking to your kid,

595
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: or you're hanging out with Tip, or you're on the podcast,

596
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: Like is that just a natural switch or are you

597
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: conscious about how you are being perceived and experienced by

598
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: others in real time?

599
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: I reckon it's a combination of both, because obviously when

600
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 4: you wear a uniform, So for me, I'd put my

601
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: uniform and my tone of voice changes, you know, when

602
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: I'm teaching the same deal, Like I'd walk into the

603
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: auditorium and I'd start, and my tone of voice changes,

604
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: and I have a very different voice that I wouldn't

605
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: use necessarily when I'm for example, talking to my daughter.

606
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: Because that would fight.

607
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: And you sometimes have to turn it on, like you

608
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: have to maybe enter a sig suation and go, I'm

609
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: going to have to use my big voice here because

610
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: it's a lot. And then you become a persona that

611
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: people will look to, you know, and then they go, oh,

612
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: you know, and you might even later on apologies, Hey

613
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: guys back there, I'll probably said a few things. I

614
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: use a tone of voice. You needed that done, we

615
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: needed that done, and we needed someone to take over.

616
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: That's what you did. Thank you. So yeah, I think

617
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: if you're consciously aware of it, you can change it.

618
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: When you turn up to an accident and you're the guy,

619
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: you're the senior guy or the senior person, do you

620
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: is that a very would I because I've never met

621
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: that guy? Would I have a very different experience if

622
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: I was sitting on the fence five meters away just

623
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: watching you do your thing, saying all the time.

624
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't know who the fuck you are when you

625
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: do that, and sometimes then sadly you bring that home, right.

626
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: So what would I see? What would I see?

627
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 4: My tone changes, my voice literally changes, and by the

628
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: way I stand and I want things done and I

629
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: will say it in a manner that for that for

630
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: the outside viewer, for one of a better word, it

631
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: might have been able experience. But I always say please,

632
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: and I always try in my students, I would say

633
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: whatever you say at a thing, because you say an

634
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: un nice thing, at least you're trying to be plot

635
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: about it. So, and when we teach that kind of

636
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: stuff to our students, we say to them, if you

637
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: can't hear a voice, be the voice. If you can't

638
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: hear thee in charge unfortunately, make to step in and

639
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: be in charge. So, yeah, I know who that person is.

640
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: I'm very happy that they're retired.

641
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, yeah.

642
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: And so when when you're teaching students, even now you

643
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: work with students, do you do you go, do you

644
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: just know instinctively who's probably going to be a great

645
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: paramedic or potentially a great paramedic, But also then as well,

646
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else who is going to be a great leader,

647
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: were a great decision maker under pressure, or a great

648
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: problem solver.

649
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: Fantasy question because you know, they get to second or

650
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: third y and we start talking about those students, we

651
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: say that person is going to be amazing, And then

652
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: you track them and they end up maybe on the helicopter,

653
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: or they end up doing.

654
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: Something and you see them again and you say to them, well,

655
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: we knew you.

656
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: Would end up on the helicopter, or we knew you

657
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: would end up in that situation simply because of the

658
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: way you carried yourself at school.

659
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: Yes, And do you see some people who are academically

660
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: average but all the other stuff is exceptional and you

661
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: might choose that person first.

662
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, because I can teach you about, for example,

663
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: asthma and the country indicators for drugs. I can't teach

664
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: you scene control, and I can't teach you empathy or

665
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Speaker 4: bedside manner and bedside manner. As far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 4: is that that's the absolute crux of the issue. Like

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Speaker 4: you walk into someone's private house in their most private

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Speaker 4: moment and sometimes their most devastating moment, and you have

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Speaker 4: to instill a sense of confidence in them from the

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Speaker 4: very word go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, yeah, you're showing up in maybe the

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Speaker 1: worst moment of their entire life. And then what the

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Speaker 1: next five or ten or twenty minutes is going to

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Speaker 1: look like will be really largely determined by you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And they will remember what you said. And once again,

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Speaker 4: that's what I always try to instill in more students.

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Speaker 4: I always say, think about what you're going to say,

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Speaker 4: because it is that they will remember it forever.

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Speaker 1: The thing that you kind of it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: social intelligence and social and situational awareness.

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Speaker 3: Right can it be? Can it be taught? Or is

682
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Speaker 3: it more in built?

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Speaker 4: I think that's a very hard question to answer, honestly,

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Speaker 4: great because I've seen kids who are amazing. I'll watch

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Speaker 4: them in simulation and I think, wow, the kids got

686
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Speaker 4: to know how they got it and haven't done it

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Speaker 4: for ten years. Like you can maybe pick personal early

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Speaker 4: traits where people may have it, but yeah, I will

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Speaker 4: seeing kids who just don't have it, maybe sadly and

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Speaker 4: unfortunately for them, maybe never able to run a big

691
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Speaker 4: scene because they just don't have it. Doesn't make them

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Speaker 4: a bad person, But on that particular occasion, you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be choosing them to send them into a bus that's

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Speaker 4: on its roof, Like you'd just be like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: that's I don't do it coming in there.

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Speaker 2: I want you to be oble here.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I imagine not everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to be a leader some people might go, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to just rock up, do what I'm told do

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Speaker 1: my job, be a good paramedic. Scott tell me what

701
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Speaker 1: to do, where to be, and what not.

702
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Speaker 2: To do, and you can't.

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Speaker 4: It's like any situation, Like if you've got to any

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Speaker 4: in a kitchen, there's a head chef, the head chef

705
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Speaker 4: for the reason, and there's soo chefs and there's commie chefs.

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Speaker 2: That's how I see medicine exactly the same.

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Speaker 4: There's people that are amazing at a thing and if

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Speaker 4: you can find it and get them to do that

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Speaker 4: thing early, and there's people move traffic. There's people who

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Speaker 4: can console people, and if you have the privilege of

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Speaker 4: managing people like that, you can cherry pick and go.

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Speaker 4: I want Craig to do that. I want Tiff to

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Speaker 4: do that, because they're the roles that you've seen them

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Speaker 4: do very well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you reckon in an alternate reality, you're probably

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Speaker 1: still not too old. But do you reckon, You could

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Speaker 1: be a paramedic if you you know, if you had

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Speaker 1: have done.

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Speaker 3: The training and and had that interest. Yes, yep, you're

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Speaker 3: okay with all the blood and guts and gore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Yeah, I think so, because you know,

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Speaker 5: when I think about fighting, which is obviously very different,

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Speaker 5: but the state you have to be in the state

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Speaker 5: of dissociation in order to perform yeah and deal with yeah,

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Speaker 5: and manage your manage your your state and your emotions

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Speaker 5: and your decision makings. Decision makings, decision making. Yeah, I

728
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Speaker 5: think so.

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Speaker 1: I reckon, you would have been not a bad maybe

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Speaker 1: great first responder, whether or not it was ambo cop.

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Speaker 1: I could see you being a cop. I was going

732
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Speaker 1: to say, Fiery, what do you do you reckon? She

733
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Speaker 1: would have been a good cop, mate.

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Speaker 4: I think she's Tiff is one of the bravest people

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Speaker 4: I know. That's why I'm attracted to her. She's so

736
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Speaker 4: the things that she does, the things that she's done

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Speaker 4: in the past, Like for me, I can't help it

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Speaker 4: when I spend time with her because I watch what

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Speaker 4: she does and it's amazing what he does. So I

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Speaker 4: think that absolutely should make an incredible fiery because you

741
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Speaker 4: have to have that tenacity of getting going again and

742
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Speaker 4: going again and going again, and you're exhausted and you've

743
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Speaker 4: got twenty six kilos of gear on your back.

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Speaker 2: And you have to walk up the stairs. No one's

745
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Speaker 2: going to do it for you.

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Speaker 4: And I just think tiff would be like, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: walk up the stairs for sure, I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Twelve If you know, he's just made a thousand women

749
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Speaker 1: fall in love with him.

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Speaker 3: And I just did a bit of spew in my

751
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: own mouth. And it's only because I'm insecure and jealous Scott.

752
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Speaker 3: It's just I just now fucking I'm in love with you. Now.

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Speaker 3: I want to be more like Scott.

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Speaker 5: I didn't stand a chance.

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Speaker 1: No, no, he just fucking wound you. He's like Spider Man,

756
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: except his weber is emotional. He just shot it out

757
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: of his wrist and just fucking drew you in. Fucking Now,

758
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: you're stuck in the hive. You'll never get her house.

759
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: You got that sticky goo all over you. Hang on,

760
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: what are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: Now? What back the question? One? Stop Tiffany and cook Scott.

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Speaker 3: What's your middle name?

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Speaker 2: Anthony?

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Speaker 3: Got oh? Fuck Scott, Anthony. You know what.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to bang on forever, but we will

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Speaker 1: come back, you and I, Scott, and we'll do a

767
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Speaker 1: normal podcast soon when you've got you, When you're when

768
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Speaker 1: I don't throw you under the fucking metaphoric bus.

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Speaker 3: But Tiff, are you happy, yes, very happy. Scotty are

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Speaker 3: you happy?

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Speaker 1: Yes, very very happy. Thank you, well on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the t yp listeners. I'm sure there's going to be

773
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: one fucking million comments on the Facebook, the typ facebook page,

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00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to think about what I'm going to

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00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: write for the copy for this episode. But no, all

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00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: still on his side. Well done, you too, Super happy

777
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Speaker 1: for both of you. Love you both.

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Speaker 3: I think it's great and I'm a little jealous that

779
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: you're both so fucking happy, but anyway, fuck it, I'm kidding,

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00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Cooks, Scott, Anthony, thank you,