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Speaker 1: Sitzy and we with Kate Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the podcast. It's Kate. I'm here with

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Speaker 2: Lizzie and Jess.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hello, Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to jump straight into it today. Well,

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Speaker 2: in fact, I'm not going to jump into it. Jess

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Speaker 2: is because on this educate podcast, Jess, you think you've

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Speaker 2: uncovered something following the release of the album last week.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So one of the Vault tracks was called Say Don't Go.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful song, Kate. I don't know if you've heard it.

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Speaker 3: Here's a little snippet bitload tempo, Yeah, one of the five.

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Speaker 2: And you're saying, I mean most of the Vault tracks

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Speaker 2: were down tempo.

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Speaker 1: They were down tempo, yeah, but they mid staited.

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Speaker 3: They weren't midnightty, but they fit on nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: very well produced by long term collaborator Jack anton Off.

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Speaker 1: There Say Don't Go.

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Speaker 3: I did a bit of digging this morning, and that's

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Speaker 3: because I heard a lyric in here and it reminded

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Speaker 3: me of another artist that I've heard before who played

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Speaker 3: a big role in Taylor's life. I just want to

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Speaker 3: play you this lyric from Say Don't Go. Have a

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Speaker 3: little listen to the lyrics here.

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Speaker 4: None from the Fury Star.

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Speaker 1: We're shut in the Darkest Star a shot in the

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Speaker 1: darkest Dark, which quite reminded me of this song from

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Speaker 1: John Mayer.

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Speaker 2: Close, who can take it?

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Speaker 5: It's just a nervous shad in the.

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Speaker 2: It's just a nervous shad in.

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Speaker 3: The So by the second line into Taylor, we've already

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Speaker 3: got a John Mayer reference. We know that they had

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Speaker 3: a rumored relationship back in the day. I know the

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Speaker 3: timelines don't align for all these songs. So what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about is themes going through both songs, including this one,

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Speaker 3: as to why she's saying don't go, hold.

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Speaker 1: It out, say.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: So she's begging someone. I just I'm saying, just say

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Speaker 1: to me, don't don't go?

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Speaker 2: And are these sorry I need to go back? Are

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Speaker 2: these all different songs? Are all from that one song?

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Speaker 3: This is all from Taylor's one song, but these are

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Speaker 3: all different John Mayer's song.

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Speaker 1: There's a few clues from different song.

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Speaker 3: So she's no, that's fine, She's just asked, you know, say,

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Speaker 3: what does John have to say about that?

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Speaker 1: In Heartbreak Warfare?

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Speaker 3: So I'm loving this, So he has put the call

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Speaker 3: out you need to say something and she just wants

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Speaker 3: to you to say don't go. So there's a bit

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Speaker 3: of back and forth there. Does it aligne through the timeline?

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Speaker 3: Probably not? Are we having fun listening? We absolutely does

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Speaker 3: it bit because it.

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Speaker 5: Was after it was after speak now, which was John

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Speaker 5: Mayer's time.

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Speaker 1: But that's true. I've got a few years on the

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Speaker 1: on the timeline. We're playing with you.

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Speaker 2: How long were they together? Not long?

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Speaker 1: Briefly a few months, a few months, but that we

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Speaker 1: know about it.

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Speaker 3: She was nineteen at the time, which is a good

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Speaker 3: thing to note because I'll play you this bit here.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm Pertison, Saggy qu dagger mate and you put

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Speaker 1: it out, which I think is a callback to John

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Speaker 1: the song she wrote about him.

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Speaker 4: The ads look you mats fall sack catch me, so don't.

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Speaker 3: You've got two references to matches going on there, Guys,

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Speaker 3: stay with me.

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Speaker 1: Shook it to a few more little bits to.

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Speaker 2: Buy you you have been working hard the next beer.

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Speaker 3: There's a comment Taylor makes about a card game. Have

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Speaker 3: a listen here, I'm Santa see the guys.

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Speaker 1: That's that's foless So talking about a card game.

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Speaker 2: The cards that you won't shown exactly.

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Speaker 3: This is from a two thousand and five tracks, so

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Speaker 3: I know the timeline's away off here, but I just

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Speaker 3: thought it was quite a nice alignment that John Mayer

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Speaker 3: trio another kind of green.

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Speaker 1: La perd.

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Speaker 3: So talking about a hand of cards. I don't hit

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Speaker 3: on nineteen, which was in fact the age she was

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Speaker 3: when they dated. But do you know his song about

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Speaker 3: her paper Dolls?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: What does he say about It's quite mean?

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Speaker 5: So the lyrics are, was it just too far to

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Speaker 5: fall for a little paper doll? Another lyric is you're

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Speaker 5: like twenty two girls.

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Speaker 1: In one and none of them know what they're running from.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So, because she released Dear John, which she wrote by

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Speaker 5: herself at nineteen, which was amazing and brave, and then

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Speaker 5: he came out with paper Doll, being like, you're just

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Speaker 5: a flimsy.

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Speaker 2: You're nothing with no substance, or you don't know where you.

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Speaker 1: Are singing rude. Well, let me give you one more

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Speaker 1: little link. We've got have a listen to Taylor's look

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Speaker 1: here about a knife Flat Flat, and we head back.

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Speaker 3: For John Mayer's Heartbreak Warfare, im Loving Missed more Imagery.

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Speaker 3: It all links, It's like a back and forth love

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Speaker 3: match veiled as some kind of like racket ball like.

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Speaker 1: A lyric cough, isn't it? Can I just give you

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Speaker 1: the final sort of nail in the coffin for me?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: And this is what got me onto this in the

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Speaker 1: first place. I was listening to this song this morning.

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Speaker 3: Taylor is phenomenal grammatically right, yeah, she doesn't mess up.

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Speaker 3: So when I heard this and her saying this line

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Speaker 3: that sounded a little bit grammatically incorrect, I was a

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Speaker 3: bit shocked to have a listen.

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Speaker 1: Why do you have to? Gill mean nothing back?

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Speaker 4: Why do you have to?

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Speaker 1: Maybe we love you. You're saying nothing now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you picked up on it. She's saying why

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Speaker 1: you have to? Not why do you have to? I

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Speaker 1: didn't think.

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Speaker 4: Whyde She actually says why why do you have to?

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Speaker 4: Gillan You guys hear that, right? Yeah, there's no why.

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Speaker 4: It's a why yeah, yeah, yeah, which can only mean

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Speaker 4: one thing. It is a callback to this song from

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Speaker 4: John Mayer Why Ladies and Gentlemen, Pope Jury.

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Speaker 1: I rest my case. But what okay, okay, you have

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Speaker 1: to finish up it.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know. So it's the point I mean, okay,

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Speaker 2: this back and forth is the point that they still

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Speaker 2: hold a flame for each other, do you think or

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Speaker 2: they just can't let the other go and have the

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Speaker 2: last word?

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Speaker 5: Are you a John Mayer? Like?

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Speaker 1: Are you a jailer? I think it definitely happened.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the right sort of

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Speaker 3: relationship to It happened when she was nineteen and he

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Speaker 3: was what like one hundred yard.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if the content created.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, I think the only one that would ever make

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Speaker 3: Taylor mess up grammatically?

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Speaker 1: Why do you have to? It's going to be this

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Speaker 1: guy why you Know? Which is one of the worst

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Speaker 1: songs of all time. I love doing this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Jess, you need to go and have a lie down.

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Speaker 1: I'm spent. I am out of here. Dissy and Whipper

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