Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's mail and Monday it's maln mondy for sure,
Speaker 1: and tell time may.
Speaker 2: How's it going? Months Like, we didn't get work for
Speaker 2: half an hour beforehand.
Speaker 1: Just winged and vented for half an hour. If you
Speaker 1: heard I mean, we do put most of it on
Speaker 1: the pod anyway, but if you heard our chat just then,
Speaker 1: you'd go, these girls need to be in a psychiatric ward.
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't be far from it. You wouldn't be
Speaker 1: far from wrong.
Speaker 3: That idea of that like not to make light of
Speaker 3: mental health issues at all, but the idea is sort
Speaker 3: of appealing. I'm like, now, I wouldn't mind for like
Speaker 3: a week.
Speaker 1: This is not a joke. And this is when you
Speaker 1: know you're not in the best place. Yesterday I was
Speaker 1: in bed and I thought, jeez, it might be nice
Speaker 1: to go back into hospital and get another infusion because
Speaker 1: I've just got to lay on the bed for five days,
Speaker 1: Like when you are wanting to go to hospital to
Speaker 1: have a break.
Speaker 3: I have a whole theory around this that we should
Speaker 3: bring back the nervous breakdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well people are having them, and I think we're
Speaker 1: having one. But remember because acknowledged now, but remember.
Speaker 3: When you were a kid, right, and it was like
Speaker 3: I remember whispers of Sandy's had a nervous breakdown or whatever,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh okay, and she's like Sandy disappears
Speaker 3: for a bit and then she comes. Yes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think there's.
Speaker 3: Something about if you feel like you're headed that way,
Speaker 3: maybe it's into like rehab and you go and you
Speaker 3: have a little reset, you get back in touch with
Speaker 3: who you are, and then you come back and you're better,
Speaker 3: or you'll I feel that.
Speaker 1: Is called psychiatric wars or like Eden and Gwingarna and
Speaker 1: those kind of places.
Speaker 2: But I don't want I.
Speaker 3: Don't want anyone controlling what I eat. I don't want
Speaker 3: to do dance classes. I don't want to do any
Speaker 3: of that. I just want to learn to myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably a holiday without the family, But I
Speaker 1: do know what you mean. It used to be a
Speaker 1: real thing and a real stigma, like oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: she's had a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, you know what, that's what we
Speaker 3: should do. We should book a holiday together. Right at
Speaker 3: this point, I'd even fly. At this point, I'm not
Speaker 3: putting scared of anything.
Speaker 1: Nah, because if you got to lose.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Imagine it's like, oh, Monty and I are just going
Speaker 3: to like rediscover ourselves or whatever, and the next minutes
Speaker 3: like Girls Gone Wild.
Speaker 1: Yes, it would either be Girls Gone Wild. We get
Speaker 1: our tits and our ars out, or we just sit
Speaker 1: on the couch and eat cheetos and fucking dig a
Speaker 1: bigger hole, and.
Speaker 2: Then everyone would be like, put that away.
Speaker 3: No one wants to see that anymore.
Speaker 1: A fair enough they don't. Yeah, I was just saying though,
Speaker 1: like my migraines have flared right up again. I go
Speaker 1: through stages where I feel okay and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gone, and then I end up having another
Speaker 1: six weeks in bed. But I and if any of
Speaker 1: you have done this, because I explored HRT but it
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. But I do think it's hormonal because
Speaker 1: it's been the last three years I've really switched on,
Speaker 1: so I would have been like forty one forty two
Speaker 1: when they really kicked right up. So I know a
Speaker 1: huge amount of it is stress related, but I do
Speaker 1: think hormone related. And I've chat gpt the shit out
Speaker 1: of all hormonal stuff and I've come across something called Zolodex,
Speaker 1: which they use a lot for endometriosis patients, which basically
Speaker 1: just shuts down your ovaries. Because I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: knew a hysterectomy would get rid of it, I'd do
Speaker 1: it in a heartbeat. But I obviously don't know, and
Speaker 1: I know Zolodex can really fuck with your system. Obviously
Speaker 1: it's hutting your ovaries off. But I need something extreme.
Speaker 1: If anyone has fully explored the hormonal area, you've got
Speaker 1: to get in touch with a show and tel podcast
Speaker 1: is where you can find us on Instagram, just because
Speaker 1: I need more. That's the thing with chat GPT too.
Speaker 1: I look at it and it'll be like, Zolodex could
Speaker 1: be your next step, and then I'll write in, but
Speaker 1: doesn't that make you estrogen blah blah, no, go good point. Yes,
Speaker 1: maybe it isn't the next step for you. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh god, do.
Speaker 3: You know what the thing is? I think the volatility
Speaker 3: of this time is the swing, the unpredictability of one
Speaker 3: minute your instrument will be off the charts the next
Speaker 3: minute at tanks, and it's especially if you're someone who
Speaker 3: is sensitive to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, to begin with yeah.
Speaker 3: That that is where it is so hard, because if
Speaker 3: you're taking estrogen, then when you're having the highs, it's.
Speaker 1: Too high bucks you. But also, my migraines were okay
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant, so that to me is a
Speaker 1: huge indicator, and they started when I was around eleven,
Speaker 1: so I mean it is a huge indicator that it's hormonal. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm about to see my ninety seventh neurologist and going
Speaker 1: to book into my GP who's a hormone specialist, and
Speaker 1: just try and get it under control. But what a
Speaker 1: hot mess. I feel like, fucking wildly out of control.
Speaker 1: So if you're a woman like us at the moment
Speaker 1: we are feeling you, we are both like why have
Speaker 1: we lost our minds? And my health was shot? You
Speaker 1: know who else has lost his mind? Who? Lamar fucking
Speaker 1: Odein mart used to be married to Chloe Kardashian. There's
Speaker 1: a docco out It's called Untold The Death and Life
Speaker 1: of Lamar Odem. It's on Netflix, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: used to love watching Chloe and Lamar Lammy they used
Speaker 1: to call him. So I watched it. There was an
Speaker 1: article and the title was Lamar Odem's past is a
Speaker 1: cesspool of trauma, and I was like, full stop, this
Speaker 1: docco was so fucked up, so fucked up.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he had a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a lot of trauma growing up. But
Speaker 1: he was such a raging drug addict. He basically admitted
Speaker 1: that he married Chloe Kardashian because he saw their lifestyle
Speaker 1: and wanted that lifestyle. And this poor bitch put her
Speaker 1: life on a whole for this guy. Looked after him
Speaker 1: when he like rented a house for him to get
Speaker 1: better in after he had twelve fucking cardiac twelve strokes,
Speaker 1: six heart attacks. He couldn't walk or talk anymore, and
Speaker 1: she like literally nursed him back to health. And she
Speaker 1: walks into the house that she'd rented for him when
Speaker 1: he got out of hospital, and she's like, you, once
Speaker 1: you've smelt crack cocaine, it's the most pungent, hectic smell.
Speaker 1: And she said, I walked into the house and I
Speaker 1: could smell it in the house, the one that she's
Speaker 1: renting for him. Taken her put her life on hold.
Speaker 1: Walks up, he's sitting on the side of the bed
Speaker 1: smoking crack cocaine, and she just punched him in the
Speaker 1: face and it's like I'm done. I felt my heart
Speaker 1: broke the cloth because I'm like, you were so used
Speaker 1: by this sick, sick human.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your heart breaks for her, yeah, but also for
Speaker 3: him because nobody wants to be like that. I what
Speaker 3: trauma does to you and the way it makes you
Speaker 3: behave and then you get into that cycle of addiction.
Speaker 3: And then add on to it that he was an athlete,
Speaker 3: and you know, like I can imagine you, especially with athletes,
Speaker 3: you know, you reach the peak of your powers, that's
Speaker 3: the one thing that was your thing, and then you
Speaker 3: age out of it or whatever, and then what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 1: Totally? I think that about AFL players all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the mental health issues that would be amongst
Speaker 1: former AFL players and stuff, because you are You've just
Speaker 1: surrounded by a team, your days dictated to you. You're
Speaker 1: at this time, you're eating this, you're doing this, you're
Speaker 1: making so much coin and then it ends and there's
Speaker 1: not a setup for them, like some of them do
Speaker 1: course or something during it, but I mean, going from
Speaker 1: being a professional athlete to then what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you going to do? Also, Lamar was such a good
Speaker 1: athlete from such an early age that he's like, my
Speaker 1: grades and everything were shit, but I just get away
Speaker 1: with it because I was such a good basketballer. But
Speaker 1: it's so messed up.
Speaker 2: It was clutching in it.
Speaker 1: Chloe did one you know how they do pieces to
Speaker 1: camera with in documentary, So it was Lamar and Chloe
Speaker 1: was one of them. And then the other guy who
Speaker 1: was working at the brothel where Lamar ended up overdosing,
Speaker 1: he was one of them as well. So it was
Speaker 1: like went between the three of them and his auntie.
Speaker 1: But he didn't invite any of his family to the wedding,
Speaker 1: like he invited like one school friend to the wedding,
Speaker 1: like he was a piece of work. And like you said,
Speaker 1: he's an addict. I just really struggle with addiction because
Speaker 1: I'm not across it as much as somebody who lives
Speaker 1: with somebody with an addiction or has one. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: when we call it a disease, I'm like, but cancer
Speaker 1: is a disease. So I always struggle to put addiction
Speaker 1: in the same category as a disease, which I always
Speaker 1: not correct. But that's sometimes what I really struggle with.
Speaker 3: I think, oh, when I say this, I say it
Speaker 3: like having lived the cancer world, right, so it sounds harsh.
Speaker 3: I don't mean it in that way, but it's almost
Speaker 3: like I definitely do see it as a disease, and
Speaker 3: I do think that it's passed on in genes as well, yea,
Speaker 3: that addiction gene And I'm like, the worst part is
Speaker 3: like cancer is in most cases a terrible hand that
Speaker 3: you're dealt right, whereas addiction and then the things that
Speaker 3: happen after that and the way that you blow up
Speaker 3: your life is self inflicted.
Speaker 1: It feels like that to me, which I don't think
Speaker 1: know if it is, though, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, That's where I struck the damage.
Speaker 3: Like, that's a disease that makes you act in a
Speaker 3: certain way that impacts you and the people around you.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like it's making you do things that
Speaker 3: let's say it's alcoholism, and then you end up with
Speaker 3: liver cancer because you fucked your liver, right, you have
Speaker 3: given yourself that, so you've got the addiction. But what
Speaker 3: the addiction has driven you to do, which is drink,
Speaker 3: is then what has caused the bad thing. Whereas with cancer,
Speaker 3: a lot of the time, it's like bad luck, you know,
Speaker 3: So it's like you've.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so con I think it is so
Speaker 1: confusing for people who aren't directly linked to somebody with
Speaker 1: an addiction, with which most of us are to some extent.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you're physically putting that alcohol into your
Speaker 1: body or you're physically doing that fucking needle, Like, just stop.
Speaker 1: Which I know it's not that easy. I get it.
Speaker 1: It's the same, and I think you relate more because
Speaker 1: you were addicted to smoking and you know it's like
Speaker 1: so fucking hard to get off it. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: so as somebody who doesn't have an addiction to alcohol
Speaker 1: or drugs, I'm like, which, just fucking stop. You're ruining
Speaker 1: your life and you're ruining everyone around your life.
Speaker 3: No, but we I think we all have addictions to
Speaker 3: some things, and those addictions some are just more socially
Speaker 3: acceptable than others.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's also some are so much more destructive than others
Speaker 1: as well. You know, some addictions that we affect the
Speaker 1: person involved, where addictions to drug an alcohol effect, it's
Speaker 1: the ripple on effect, so fucking hectic.
Speaker 3: That tail as old as time trying to find things
Speaker 3: to fill in the voids, to.
Speaker 1: Numb the trouma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: So none of the other Kardashians were on it though.
Speaker 1: But how's Kim Kardashian with Lewis Hamilton. I always am like,
Speaker 1: when I see a new celebrity couple, how did you meet?
Speaker 1: And then how do you go about it? How do
Speaker 1: you try and keep it secret? But remember I used
Speaker 1: to go out with a pussy cat Dole Nicole Scherzinger.
Speaker 2: Yes, I find that a strange pairing.
Speaker 1: Kim and Kim and Lewis. Yeah, I find Kim and
Speaker 1: any pairing strange. I remember with Pete Davidson that was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still am a bit suss on that. It
Speaker 3: still seems.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 3: It's the mismatch in like what they're I don't know,
Speaker 3: like their values. Everything just seemed wrong, like he would
Speaker 3: be taking the piss out of the Kardashians, not fucking one.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I don't know, because.
Speaker 3: As you know, my house is a very formula one
Speaker 3: driven house. And I've always seen him as like a quiet,
Speaker 3: shy little man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I've seen him as a dirty bird because I
Speaker 1: think he used to cheat on nikolesher singer all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was one. Like there was so much
Speaker 1: infidelity there, and that's what I can't help it go.
Speaker 1: When you are with a partner that's a rock star
Speaker 1: or a traveling athlete or you know like that, it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like women get into these relationships and if
Speaker 1: they don't think the partner's cheating, then that's you being
Speaker 1: a fucking idiot.
Speaker 3: But if tomorrow, let's say Sam is a great singer, right,
Speaker 3: and then tomorrow he I don't know, released a single
Speaker 3: and then became famous or whatever. I still I think
Speaker 3: the temptation is always there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whether they follow through or not, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Got it hard though?
Speaker 1: It would be so hard because the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: not just our reality that we're all living in now,
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden we become famous. Everyone around
Speaker 1: you is a yes person, everyone's a facilitator. People are
Speaker 1: throwing themselves at you. So your perception of reality becomes
Speaker 1: very warped and very different. Like your like, the consequences
Speaker 1: for you are very different than somebody like us. Got
Speaker 1: it a beef just be good week, a fun week.
Speaker 1: Imagine you just got one week off life, and it's
Speaker 1: like this week doesn't count, so you can do whatever
Speaker 1: you want and you don't think, like your memory of
Speaker 1: your family and everything's blocked out. It's just a fun
Speaker 1: week of fucking and dancing and partying and money is
Speaker 1: not a thing.
Speaker 3: It's the time machine thing. One week to just blow
Speaker 3: everything up and then go back in the time machine
Speaker 3: like it never happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd probably while you during that week. Even though
Speaker 1: I've just said you blank out your reality, you'd probably
Speaker 1: crave your reality.
Speaker 3: I reckon, Oh look it's yeah, yeah, you probably would
Speaker 3: have to blank out your reality because I guess the
Speaker 3: thing with kids too is the I.
Speaker 2: Can't live with them, can't live without Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. You'd miss them and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get kids. All of that works piling up,
Speaker 1: so in our fantasy world, none of that exists.
Speaker 3: That's our nervous breakdown. Yes, holiday totally.
Speaker 1: So the other day, now I go to hop into bed.
Speaker 1: I just had a blue with Arloe. He was being
Speaker 1: such a fuck with so I screamed.
Speaker 2: At me, you talk like that about he.
Speaker 1: Was being such a knob jockey. I screamed, I might.
Speaker 2: Have told you this. I screamed so loud.
Speaker 1: Now I pissed my pants. I pissed my pants.
Speaker 3: I threw shoes at Luca the other day. I feel better, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: We sho didn't piss your pants like my pat. I've
Speaker 1: spoken about my pelvic clare so bad that I'm having
Speaker 1: to bend over a bit if I laugh, I have
Speaker 1: to bend over refreshenees. And I've yelled so loud that
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, I'm pissing, and I had to walk off.
Speaker 1: Luckily he didn't see that that had caused that. But
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't even yell at my kids
Speaker 1: now without pissing anyway. So I was fuming. I was
Speaker 1: so angry, went into the bathroom, had to change my
Speaker 1: pants and wash myself down and his pants this bullshit,
Speaker 1: fucking shit as you were doing it totally, I was
Speaker 1: so like, you know, sometimes you're so angry you don't
Speaker 1: even recognize yourself and my sisters here, and I went
Speaker 1: out and I'm like, I'm clearly not coping as I
Speaker 1: put my pants into the dirty wash. But then I
Speaker 1: came back into my room, I'm like, fuck it, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to bed, and I was like, what are
Speaker 1: all those black things all over the wall? One wall
Speaker 1: had so many black things on it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, are they ants? For fuck me? I
Speaker 1: walk over to the maul. Hundreds and hundreds of baby
Speaker 1: spiders scattered all over my wall, and I could see
Speaker 1: the little hole they were coming out of, like it
Speaker 1: was like Charlotte's wab Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: That's one of the things I see when I hallucinate
Speaker 3: in my dream.
Speaker 1: No you don't. That's awful that.
Speaker 3: I'm always saying to Mark. There's spiders or ants or whatever,
Speaker 3: miceol rats in the bed. Oh jeesuz, please okay, So
Speaker 3: how like what did you just look at it and
Speaker 3: almost the shock of seeing it and then you just
Speaker 3: fell into a heap and went I'm going to bed because.
Speaker 1: Then I found Then I looked at my bed and
Speaker 1: there was a couple of scattered on the bed too.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my god, this is like
Speaker 1: such a nightmare. So I went and got the mortem
Speaker 1: and it was just home. No, Sam wasn't home. My
Speaker 1: sisters I got. I said, come and look at this.
Speaker 1: And she goes, oh my god, And I just sprayed
Speaker 1: the shit out of them and then brushed them all
Speaker 1: onto the floor and vacuumed them up and just wiped
Speaker 1: them off my bed and tried to kill them, and
Speaker 1: then got into bed and felt very uncomfortable. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's probably fucking spiders all over me. But I was like,
Speaker 1: this is shit. Literally nightmares are made of, or what
Speaker 1: a movie would look like. And after you've just had
Speaker 1: a mental breakdown, to come in and find that, I
Speaker 1: was like, a fuck you, universe.
Speaker 2: You've got to find the nest.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I sprayed like there's a tiny little hole, a gap
Speaker 1: between my carpet and the wall, and so I just
Speaker 1: sprayed the shit out of it.
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry that happened. That's fucking rough day, mate.
Speaker 1: It was really rough.
Speaker 2: Rough day.
Speaker 1: You're screaming at an eleven year Old's not nice to
Speaker 1: pissing your pants to a nest of fucking spiders hatching
Speaker 1: in your bedroom.
Speaker 3: It was I think there is something. And even though
Speaker 3: it does sound very woo woo, you know in that
Speaker 3: idea that your frequency, yes, if you're in a shitty frequency,
Speaker 3: like you're attracting shit stuff in the spot as we like,
Speaker 3: which we smell piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, do you get into vortex you need to pay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this bitch is this is going to push her over here.
Speaker 1: This is going to be fine. But I literally because
Speaker 1: I still journal every day nearli pretty much. But I'm
Speaker 1: writing like it's so the other day was doing it
Speaker 1: and then I rip it up every time, Like why
Speaker 1: do you rip it up? I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: nothing anyone can ever read. This isn't how my days
Speaker 1: is and what I got up to when it nine
Speaker 1: oh five, went to the beach or whatever, like this
Speaker 1: is fucking ramblings of a mad woman. But I am
Speaker 1: trying to write about getting in the flow? Dare I
Speaker 1: say it? With the universe?
Speaker 2: How do you get into the flow?
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. I'm just writing it saying because
Speaker 1: you know, you feel when you're in flow, like I
Speaker 1: know it sounds woo woo, but no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: feel when you're living with ease and you're in flow
Speaker 1: with what's going on. And then you also feel when
Speaker 1: you're swimming against the tide. And at the moment I'm
Speaker 1: swimming so far against the tide and I have moments
Speaker 1: of flow and I'm like, oh, this is flow and
Speaker 1: it's just such living with ease. I started to listen
Speaker 1: to Gabby Bernstein's book I Fucking Hit rock Bottom, the
Speaker 1: lady who does the manifesting. But she's like the purpose
Speaker 1: of your life is to live with ease, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have not very minimal ease in my life, and
Speaker 1: flow to me connected. I was like, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: when I'm in flow, and I'm not in fucking flow.
Speaker 3: You know how I told you. I've been on this
Speaker 3: like beating rampage. Like sometimes three in the morning, I'm
Speaker 3: just sitting there beating. I saw a video the other
Speaker 3: day that showed it was this woman that was showing herself.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she was painting or beating or ever,
Speaker 3: and she said, this is this is how I feel
Speaker 3: when I'm beating, and it was silence.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Like. I keep referring back to this time with the fence,
Speaker 3: when I was painting the fence. The idea that I'm
Speaker 3: so engaged in what I'm doing that I'm actually not
Speaker 3: thinking about anything else and is.
Speaker 1: A total form of meditation.
Speaker 3: It is that we're so internal, like everything is that
Speaker 3: we're almost so self obsessed and self absorbed that it's
Speaker 3: and they do say the way out is to like
Speaker 3: make it not about yourself and do stuff other people,
Speaker 3: take a focus off yourself. But that's I mean, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to get out of the hole.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 1: We've got to get out of the hole. And you've
Speaker 1: got to see people as well. Were very you know.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I've brought this up with you before, but I do
Speaker 3: think there is something in setting ourselves little challenges every week,
Speaker 3: you know, like my climate tree, which is still I'm
Speaker 3: so proud of myself, but some little thing, even if
Speaker 3: it's once a month that we have to tackle, and.
Speaker 1: Totally I'm so up for that. When my migraines are
Speaker 1: okay and I can physically move, but it's like.
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean when you come to get out of bed,
Speaker 3: that's not going to be.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm in a ratus. It's like just pull.
Speaker 1: If my house was better, I mean, I'd still have
Speaker 1: hectic anxiety and stuff, but it would it would that
Speaker 1: could be my sole search to you know, try and
Speaker 1: ease that as opposed to fucking physical pain on top
Speaker 1: of it. I'm going insane. I actually feel like I'm
Speaker 1: going insane, but I think I think you're in like
Speaker 1: this vicious cycles. It's this cycle that everything's feeding into
Speaker 1: each other. Yes, you know that's what I And so
Speaker 1: I'm like, i want to work on the mind side.
Speaker 1: And then I'm also now going back into the medical
Speaker 1: world and I'm going to force doctors to search for
Speaker 1: different stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, you have to listen to I think it
Speaker 3: was last week it came out Dax Shepherd's podcast is
Speaker 3: with a pain expert, I think, okay, and it was
Speaker 3: so I've seen two clips and she said in one
Speaker 3: of them, she was talking about how they have found
Speaker 3: that so much of pain is not in the part
Speaker 3: of the body. It's in the brain. Right, So it
Speaker 3: is like the people that have amputations and then they
Speaker 3: have the phantom pain, like they are crying from pain
Speaker 3: from an arm that's no longer there.
Speaker 1: But it is. That's a huge part of the work
Speaker 1: that I'm doing. It is it is in your brain,
Speaker 1: but it's not made up like the pain. No, So
Speaker 1: when people go, oh, it's in your brain, it's like,
Speaker 1: but the pain's very real. But that's where the pain registers.
Speaker 1: And for me, I know pain signals. Even when things
Speaker 1: are safe, pain signals are getting switched on when they
Speaker 1: don't need to be, so it's teaching your body you're
Speaker 1: safe now. But that's so because I find the phantom
Speaker 1: pain absolutely amazing. I'm doing so much reading about changing
Speaker 1: the neuroplasticity, and everyone who's in experting that area is like,
Speaker 1: even though we say it's in the brain, the pain
Speaker 1: is very real because I'm like, fuck, I'm not making
Speaker 1: this up there, Like, you're absolutely not making it up.
Speaker 1: But if you do hurt your toe, it's your brain
Speaker 1: that registers the pain, not the actually toe.
Speaker 3: That stuff is so interesting and hopeful because there's this
Speaker 3: idea that you can get out of it.
Speaker 2: It's just do.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I have a little bit
Speaker 1: more control. But because I've been doing that work now
Speaker 1: for so long and I'm not in a better place,
Speaker 1: I do like lose faith in the process. But then
Speaker 1: anytime I listen to a book, they're like, don't lose
Speaker 1: faith in the process. Healing is not linear, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: but you do have and especially for things like migraines, fibromyalgia,
Speaker 1: et cetera, all of those very real debilitating pain, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it is trauma based. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is Yeah, pain signals getting turned on that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be turned on because of the way that your body
Speaker 1: and your brain has been programmed.
Speaker 2: Fuck fascinating complicated or our brain, mate.
Speaker 1: We're so. I had a dip with a friend this
Speaker 1: morning who's going through a huge amount. I'm like, Fuck,
Speaker 1: humans are so complicated. We're such messy, fucking idiots.
Speaker 3: Which is not fun, not the amazing part. Like we've
Speaker 3: talked about this before, but I don't want everything to
Speaker 3: be great all the time. I like being a bit
Speaker 3: dark sometimes, Like you know, it's the part of the
Speaker 3: human experience. Not you don't want to be having migrains
Speaker 3: all the time. But I just mean that idea of like, oh,
Speaker 3: if you're not really happy and you're not really content,
Speaker 3: then something's wrong.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that. I think that's just that's
Speaker 2: just part of the human experience.
Speaker 1: Emotion fluctuates, doesn't it. I guess you just don't want
Speaker 1: to live on the unhappy side too much. But to
Speaker 1: be happy all the time's absolute horseshit. It's like there's
Speaker 1: this one guy. Whenever I see him, I'm like, how
Speaker 1: I us like I'm amazing, and I, no, you're not.
Speaker 3: He's probably more miserable than any I agree. He doesn't
Speaker 3: even feel his misery. He's just that misery. He's going
Speaker 3: to catch up with him one day, and.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait to see him miserable
Speaker 1: because I'm like, bullshit, there's no way you're finn I
Speaker 1: am fantastic.
Speaker 3: That is so delusional that, oh my god, it's like
Speaker 3: last week, did you see the interview with that kid
Speaker 3: they call him Clovi Killer, I hold on clovicular. No,
Speaker 3: he's a guy that does that. It's called looks maxing.
Speaker 1: Looks Maxing. Yes, so he's the guy who had the
Speaker 1: It was like, that's so weird because I've never heard
Speaker 1: of him. But I clicked on an article, so this
Speaker 1: he's a twenty year old American riot and he had
Speaker 1: an overdose sprowl streaming. Yes, yes he is.
Speaker 3: I see interviews of him and there was this two
Speaker 3: older guys in it, like watching a clip of him
Speaker 3: and just taking the piece right. But I was watching it,
Speaker 3: I was like the insecurity on this kid he's talking about,
Speaker 3: like they call it hype maxim right, because fuck if
Speaker 3: you're not tall, then you're not attractive and you're whatever.
Speaker 3: So he's giving guys tips like, you know, wear heels
Speaker 3: or inserts in your shoes and pull your pants down
Speaker 3: really low so then you know, the chick can't see
Speaker 3: the heels you're wearing or something, or he goes listen
Speaker 3: to this, he goes put a book on the ground
Speaker 3: near the bed, so when she's laying on the bed
Speaker 3: or whatever, you can stand on the book to be tall.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, in this level of insecurity is how
Speaker 3: people How even are the boys that are watching this
Speaker 3: and buying into it.
Speaker 2: I'm like that would be So.
Speaker 1: Does he break his own bones or something?
Speaker 3: It's something about hitting the jaw so your jaws more
Speaker 3: defined or something.
Speaker 1: So delusion weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It's almost not more intense. Maybe
Speaker 3: it feels more intense than all that pressure that women
Speaker 3: have always had because we're not used to seeing it
Speaker 3: with guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so. It just it literally is just came in.
Speaker 1: It came into my orbit the other day and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is a really sick puppy. But there's
Speaker 1: a huge following for it as well, and people doing
Speaker 1: like so much so that doctors are speaking out saying
Speaker 1: stop bashing your face with a hammer.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's like promising the dream, you know, do this
Speaker 3: and you'll be hot and then girls will love you
Speaker 3: and then you'll get laid and then whatever. And it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, insecurity is like insecurity is not sexy.
Speaker 1: It's not sexy out an era. A man like botox
Speaker 1: to their wazoo and ripped within an inch of their
Speaker 1: life to me, is so unattractive, you know.
Speaker 3: What as well, like the thing that applies differently to men,
Speaker 3: which is so sexist for me to say. But fake dad,
Speaker 3: oh oh, the.
Speaker 2: Concept of a guy wearing fake.
Speaker 1: No to me, don't care. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: So and it's it shouldn't be because people could.
Speaker 1: Say the same about us, Like what I mean, hectic
Speaker 1: treat down on a girl's not nicey that sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're a flora Like to me, I'm fluoro orange. I
Speaker 1: look ridiculous. But I think that there's something about men
Speaker 1: being vain that's more disgusting.
Speaker 2: Than well it is it is.
Speaker 3: It's like we've talked about guys coloring their hair and
Speaker 3: stuff before, how it's very unsexy. But I think both ways.
Speaker 3: It's just going, oh, well, I've got a big nose,
Speaker 3: but it's my nose and it makes up how I look.
Speaker 2: And if you don't like it, then you know.
Speaker 1: But like a guy getting a nose job for vanity
Speaker 1: is not sexy at all. Heading my way, yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like I had a nose job. It didn't l
Speaker 1: like my nose. I'd be like, did you have a
Speaker 1: deviated septum? Like what was? Why did you do? It
Speaker 1: is so weird, it's so weird programmed, but it's definitely anyway.
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