WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 3 June 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.400 Lately. 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome to the Late Debate. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.200 Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.280 I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.920 up tonight. Chess isn't generally regarded as a great spectator sport, 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.360 but you may rethink that when you see the world 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:19.760 number one lose. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.720 And his reaction will show you a little later. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.480 Plus, when we look at what's making news tomorrow, Tasmanian 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.560 politicians reject a massive pay right, that's right, you heard 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.640 me correctly, they rejected. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:31.640 A massive pay rise. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.360 And the Australian newspaper reveals the extraordinary amount the federal 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.640 government is spending on climate change every single year. I 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.519 promise you it's eye watering. We'll get to all of 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.760 that shortly, but first, is it okay for a man 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.560 to refuse to shake hands with a woman because well 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.800 she's a woman. Take a look at what happened Sunday 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.160 night after the Champions League game in Europe when CBS 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:02.000 Sports welcomed UFC fighter Kabib Nugomv to their panel. Now, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.120 he shakes hands with all the male panel members, but 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.240 when the only female broadcaster extends her hand, well, take 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.639 a look. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:18.120 Wow, how are you agree? 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.000 Welcome to the show, apologize, Thank you so much for 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.120 b in the UFC fights. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:23.320 It is a pleasure to have you. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.039 We didn't know you were. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:30.440 Here now could be visit about Muslim So refusing to 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.520 shake a woman's hand is part of his religion. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.440 Here's the question. Was he rude or was he principled 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.000 a man of faith standing for the tenets of his religion. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.120 Caleb Well, I mean he is entitled to his religion, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.800 as we are all entitled to whatever religion we may 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.600 or may not ascribe to. But when you're on Western soil, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.720 I think you have to play by Western rules. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.480 I mean, I wouldn't go to a. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.440 Majority Muslim country and begin to tell them how they 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.040 should behave, and I would adhere to whatever expectations they 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.720 had of me while I was there, because they would 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.800 probably expect that while I'm there, I would not shake 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.760 a woman's hand, And I'll say, that's fine, that's your culture. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.600 I'm in your country, so I'm not going to do it. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.440 I disagree with that, but I'm not going to do it. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.440 And by the same token, if you come to our countries, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.680 you should also have to adhere by our standards, and 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.760 our standards are that women are equal to men. The 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:30.040 idea that you cannot shake a woman's hand is rooted 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.359 in misogyny, and we in the West say that is 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:33.040 a bad thing. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.480 So, yes, you're free to practice your religion. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.080 But when it comes to fundamental standards and values that 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.320 we hold, Dear, everyone should be held to the same standard, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.680 regardless of religion or creed or anything else. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.160 What do you reckon? 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.200 I mean, I totally understand what you're saying, Caleb, and 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:55.240 there definitely are aspects of fundamentalist Islam that are discriminatory 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.960 towards women. Unequal access to divorce, unequal shares in inheritance, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.320 a woman's testimony is worth less than a man's. There 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.880 are plenty of examples. But I do think in this instance, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.120 one of the rules of Western soil is that we 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.720 are a pluralist civilization. You can practice your religion and 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.200 you should be free to practice that religion, and so 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.240 I think in this instance there are plenty of aspects 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.960 of fundamentalist Islam that are genuinely sexist. I don't know 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.480 if this necessarily was one, and I would also note 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.200 that Orthodox Jews also don't shake the hands women. I 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.480 don't think that's rooted in misogyny, so I would say 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.200 it was awkward. It's awkward that he then embraced the 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.360 other men. But like I mean, he should be free 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.080 to practice his religion rude. I don't think it was rude. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.160 I mean, I don't think he was trying to make 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.200 her feel uncomfortable. I think this is his religion. And 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.360 if you want to have a conversation around sexism in 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.080 fundamentalist Islam, that's a valid conversation to have. But in 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.400 this instance, he's just practicing his religion. We would ask 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.720 an orthodox doe to shake a woman's hand, so why 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:03.200 are we asking? 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:03.720 I wouldn't. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:04.120 I would. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.760 I don't care what religion you're a part of. If 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.880 you're on Western soil, you obey by the rules that 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.440 we have, which is that we believe women are equal 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:11.720 to men. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.440 What's wrong with that? But what about what others? 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.640 That you should be able to practice your religion freely? 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.320 Okay, But at what point does practicing your religion freely 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.640 then impinge upon the majority's rights and freedoms? 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.760 I have long held don't have a right to have 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:25.719 someone shake your hand. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.920 That's okay, sure. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.520 Sure, But if the reason that someone is saying they 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.440 don't want to shake your hand is because of their religion, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.440 and their religion dictates that you can't shake a woman's hand, 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.000 you can't tell me that that's not sexist and in 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.960 some way rooted in misogyny. For what reason can you 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:42.040 not shake a woman's hand? 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.960 But plenty of people have sexist and misogynist views. They're 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.200 not outlawed, they're not banned. You might not like it, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.440 but I still defend it right religion. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.520 I never said that it should be in law, but 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.760 I'm saying we should call it out and say it's wrong. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.080 I mean, you can say something misogynistic or sexist on air, 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.640 and then I can say that's a lot of odswallop. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.719 That's how this works. That's what we're doing with him there. Yes, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.680 he's free to practice his religion. But if we say 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.719 that women are equal, then I would expect to see 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.080 people adhere to that. And if they don't want to 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.360 adhere to that, why are you in my country? 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.799 Well, I agree that he's free to practice his religion. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.680 That's a pluralistic society, as you pointed out, But I 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.560 don't think that allowing people to practice their religion, demands 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.240 that we approve of how they practice their religion, and 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.160 I think he's been rightly condemned. My question is where 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.960 are the feminists calling this out? This is the bigotry 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.279 of low expectations. If the Catholics don't allow women to 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.000 be priests, then everyone is quick to slam Catholicism as 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.400 a misogynistic religion. But if a Muslim Man refuses to 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.520 take the hand of a woman who extends it in 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.640 friendship because I can't touch a woman, well that somehow 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.640 gets a free pass. It's a bigotry of low expectations, 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.200 where people expect and allow less from I think from 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.599 the religion of Islam than they do for other religions. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.800 Well yeah, I mean imagine if Popo Leo refused to 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.839 the hands of women, there would be global outrage, like 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.279 a complete convulsion and meltdown in the West. So yeah, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.920 it is interesting to note the silence from some quarters. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.599 I do wonder where our good mate Clementine Ford is. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.440 Clementine Ford's Instagram and you can have an Instagram story 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.560 highlight like a collection of stories that she's actually. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.560 Got one dedicated to me. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.880 So I get a guernsey. But oh mate, kebeb doesn't 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.680 get one. I mean, come on, Clementine, surely it's a 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.160 fair go here, isn't it. Now. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.600 Of course, you may be aware. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.559 That it has been Reconciliation Week leading up to today. Today, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.080 June the third is the last day of Reconciliation Week. 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.760 They don't adhere to general weeks on the calendar, it 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.800 would seem, but it runs from I think it's the 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.480 twenty sixth or the twenty seventh. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.400 Of May every year through to the third of June. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.440 But I think it's gone a little bit too far 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.960 in this case. And I have no problem in saying 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.159 that as a country, of course, we should all strive 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.200 towards reconciliation. And let's not forget the definition of the 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.200 word reconciliation assumes that you reckon style, which means you 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.560 come together and you settle your differences and you all 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:05.960 move forward as one. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.760 I think that is a great thing. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.000 That we should all be working towards. But that is 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.640 not what they mean when they talk about reconciliation. The activists, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.600 of course mean that we should divide people, and that's 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.520 exactly what North Kottai has been doing. Down in Victoria 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.920 where they've taken it one step over the mark, I think, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.240 and have put a sign out the front of the 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.320 school which you will be able to see on the 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.080 screen here, which says sorry, and of course Sorry day 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.760 marks the day that we apologized for the stolen generations, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.400 or Kevin radd apologized for the stolen generations, and henceforth 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.480 we must always be sorry for everything that was done 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.360 in this country, apparently including settling it etc. We sent 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.640 our cameras down this afternoon to take a look at 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.640 this sign out the front, which, of course is it 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.760 right in front of the flag poles. So as the 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:57.080 kids arrive at school with the Australian flag there, they 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:58.880 are made to feel like they have to be sorry 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.400 for something. And once the camera's turned up, the sorry 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.000 sign was taken away. Now we don't know whether it 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.520 was taken away because our cameras turned up or because 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.640 today was the last day of Sorry Day. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.280 That would seem convenient that it. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.080 Was taken in at precisely the time our cameras arrived. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.840 We did contact North kot High for comment and they 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.520 said no comment on the phone. But this idea, I mean, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.480 you know you're a kid going to school. I mean, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.320 the teenagers should admit. It's not like they're the little kids, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.040 but this idea is being put into their heads that 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.839 they must feel guilty for things that other people may 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.240 or may not have done generations ago. I mean, I 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.480 wonder if you're saying, we obviously have a great Margrant story. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.240 This is that's from last year. By the way, they've 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.320 done this multiple years in a row. Now that photo, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.800 we have a great Margaret story in this country which 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.400 we celebrate even though they're living on stolen land. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.120 I'm not sure how you marry those two up. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.760 But if you're an Indian kid going to school at 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.120 North kot High now you know you weren't involved in 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.680 the first fleet in any way, and you have to 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.680 feel sorry for what someone else? 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:01.800 Do you? I mean, for Heaven's sake. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.839 Sure, reconciliation, but why do we keep telling people they 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.480 must feel guilty for what has been well? 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.439 I mean, the sign begs a number of questions. Right, firstly, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:15.120 sorry for what, Second, sorry on behalf of whom? 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.720 And third sorry to who exactly? 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.960 And this is counterproductive because you're teaching kids two things 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.360 that kids should not be taught. Number one, you're teaching 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.760 them collective guilt, and there's nothing worse than collective guilt 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.120 that you are guilty of the sins of your father 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.440 and his father and his father. Western civilization moved away 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.040 from that, and that's what helped Western civilization become great. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.480 We rejected the idea of collective guilt. And the second 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.080 thing they're teaching kids through gestures like this is to 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:48.240 make empty, meaningless gestures, as if somehow they are accomplishing 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.800 something quite profound. Sticking a sorry sign on the grass 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.760 out the front in front of the flag pole and 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.840 then hurriedly removing it when cameras turn up does nothing 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.240 to change a single indigenous life. Somehow, kids are taught 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.840 that if you make these empty gestures, you're making a difference. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.640 And I think it's a dangerous thing to teach young people. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.679 That's not how you change the world. It's not how 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.680 you make a difference. And collective guilt, as I said, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.160 is an evil that I thought we'd move beyond. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.880 Yeah, look, it's all performative activism. I see this among 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.480 my friends all well, most of them aren't really my friends, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.280 but I see this among my age group quite a bit. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.200 People will have their little bios on Instagram and instead 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.840 of saying they're from Sydney, they'll say Eora on stolen 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.480 Land or Gadigul or num And it's just like, what 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.360 are you actually accomplishing here? 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:41.920 It really doesn't make any sense. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.880 And I also think just the bombarding young people with 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.080 guilt about something they can't control and they had. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.560 No part of. I mean, what is this doing? 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.720 How is this helping our nation move forward towards reconciliation? 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.720 As you say, Caleb, who will reconciling here? It doesn't 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:02.520 make any sense. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.800 As part of their reconciliation plan at the school, they 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.640 had students watch an eight minute video of the former 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:15.080 police chief make a groveling apology for the stolen generations, 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.200 and so they had kids sit in class and watch 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.120 that eight minute video. I'm just not sure how that 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.440 brings people together when you're continually pushing one side of 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.760 the story, and that is the wrongs that were done 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.600 years ago that these young people have nothing to do with. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.120 And as you said, many of these kids in a 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.880 city Melbourne probably weren't even born in this country as immigrants. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.559 I think we've reached a point now where we need 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.240 to be honest about what this is really all about, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.120 and it's not about reconciliation. Reconciliation is a misnomer. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:48.400 Continually. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.120 What is pushed is an US and them idea that 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.640 you the white man, and then everyone else who's come 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.360 after the white man has committed terrible atrocity, atrocities and 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.120 you must home for them forever. I mean, there is 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.240 no end timeline, seemingly to the point at which we 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:10.360 reach reconciliation, because the activists don't really want to reach reconciliation. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:15.440 They want an admission that the settlement of Australia was wrong. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.840 And once you admit that the settlement of Australia was wrong, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.480 you open yourself up to reparations and land back and 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.360 all these other things. That is the ultimate end goal. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.960 It's not, as I said before, that the dictionary definition 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.040 of reconciliation to reconcile, to come together and settle your differences, 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.000 is not the end aim of this. And does anyone 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.959 talk about the fact that when the British came out here, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.160 that the people who were sent out were charged to 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.120 treat Aboriginal people as British subjects. I mean, I have 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.640 at home and South Australia is a free setless state, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.400 so it's slightly different to the convict states. But I 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.559 have the Proclamation of South Australia on my wall at home. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.520 I look at it every morning when I have a 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.880 cup of coffee, and it says explicitly on there that 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.480 the people, the Aboriginal people who were found in South 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.120 Australia were to be treated as British subjects as though 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.080 they were any other person who was moving to settle 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.680 South Australia. So there was no intent for a genocide, 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.520 there was no intent to kill people. They were sent 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.320 out he to settle peacefully. Do you reckon the kids 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.120 are being told about that? No, of course not, because 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.720 it's not about reconciliation, it's about division. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.440 They should call it division well. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.040 And there's no doubt that there definitely was discrimination against 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.160 Indigenous people and that was absolutely terrible and the repercussions 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.720 are probably still being felt in communities today. But that 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.720 doesn't mean we continually have to live in this guilt 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.560 of things we can't change. Let's focus on practical ways 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.760 to move forward. At another kindergarten in Victoria, a local 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:52.359 council has come under fire for a pamphlet promoting this kindergarten. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.839 On the pamphlet, proudly on the front was displayed the 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:02.040 prime flag, the Indigenous flag, the Torres Strait Island flag, 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:09.040 but notably missing was the Australian flag. One ratepayer said, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.480 now it appears the council's kindergarten acknowledges the gay, Aboriginal 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.360 and Torres Strait Islander communities, as evidenced by eliminating the 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.840 Australian flag, which represents all of us from the official paperwork. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.640 Does that mean the rest of us are exempt from rates? 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.840 I mean, I think that's a pretty fair question. I 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:34.680 understand presenting other symbols under certain circumstances, but removing the 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:40.000 Australian flag seems like a deliberate political point to I 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.720 don't know, eraise our national identity. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.840 It would seem fairly deliberate at the Council's job to 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.600 collect rubbish, not distribute it. The mayor, Anthony Marsh, he 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.640 said he was appalled by this brochure and he's investigating, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:54.760 and maybe he is. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.480 I'll take him at his word. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.480 However, he has previously made a big deal about the 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.360 fact that the council is flying the Pride flag out 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.320 front of the chambers for International Day against Homophobia and 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.000 every other sort of phobia. So he certainly committed to 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:14.840 pushing those sorts of agendas. Back in twenty twenty three, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.480 there's an interesting incident at this very council where a 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.800 female council member objected to the fact that they were 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:27.880 flying a Pride flag and she was sent for personal 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:33.360 development and banned from speaking to other council staff until 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.400 she had finished that re education. So you know, the 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.920 mayor says, oh, that he's appalled and he's investigating. But 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.880 this is a council that has been pushing the LGBTQ agenda. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.120 And if you want to push the agenda, that's fine. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.280 The issue is council members are paid by rate payers 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.240 to do the normal sorts of things that councils would do, 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.520 not to push different ideologies, and certainly not on three 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.320 and four year olds. I would say this, If Anthony 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.400 Marsh the mayor, is appalled by this brochure that's gone 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.480 out on the council dime, and he's investigating to find 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.240 out how it happened, will we ever be made aware 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.320 of who did this and who was promoting this to kindikits. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:16.440 Well, I should hope. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.600 So. I do find it curious that you say councils 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.920 are meant to collect rubbish, not distributed. I would say 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.640 councils are probably some of the greatest distributors of rubbish 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.200 in this country and point and to be fair to 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.600 the council, and I mean the elected members of the council, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.280 none of them would have had any idea that this 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.520 leaflet was being put together. It's been done by a 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:38.400 staff member who's obviously got some responsibility for the kindergarten. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.480 And then when the elected members have been made aware 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:41.760 of it that the mayor has come out said he 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.440 will do something about it. So good on him, and 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.760 let's hope all of that is done. But I can't 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.080 get my head around why exactly those flags were there 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.560 in the first any of them, to be perfectly honest, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.600 I mean, if you're selling a kindergarten or places in 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.240 the kindergarten, I mean I'm not looking at the front 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.760 of it, not that I have children in that position, 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.280 I wouldn't be looking at the front of the leaflet 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:03.920 for the kindergarten. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.120 Where's the flag? 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.159 I can only send my kid here if it's got 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.000 a flag on the front. I mean, I want to 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.359 open the thing up and find out that they're going 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.480 to do a good job. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.560 For my kid. I don't particularly give a toss about 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:16.360 any flags. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.680 So you then have to say, Okay, if you've made 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.840 a conscious decision to put some flags on the front, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.480 you must have done it for a reason. You've not 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.560 put the Australian flag there, so you know, we'll read 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:27.600 into that whatever you want. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.520 But you have deliberately put the Pride flag, the Aboriginal 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.120 flag in the Torres Straight Islander flag. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.160 So is the suggestion that we are an inclusive place, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:40.760 and we are inclusive of LGBTIQA plus and Aboriginal and 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:41.879 Torros Straight Island are people. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:43.800 They're three to five year olds. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.560 I mean, it's not relevant. It's completely irrelevant. Certainly on 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.240 the point of the Pride flag. It's completely irrelevant because 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.240 they're three to five years old. Is it a message 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:53.840 that that's what we're going to teach them about? 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.560 I don't know. Perhaps it expands upon that. But if 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.680 the purpose. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.439 Of having the Aboriginal and the Torys Straight Islander flag 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.639 is to say that we are accepting, tolerant of indigenous people. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.320 Where's the Indian flag and the Pakistani flag and the 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.560 Schlangan flag and the Bangladeshi flag and the Argentinian flag? 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.520 I mean, is this to say that this kindergarten is 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.360 exclusive of Argentinian children, that it will discriminate against them 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.879 if their parents dare to enroll them there? What is 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.280 the point of the flags being there in the first place, 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.280 That's the bit I would like to understand, unless they're trying. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.280 To make some weird political point. But again, what you 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:31.280 got to do with three to five. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.000 Year olds having listened to you speak there, Maybe we 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.320 should be thanking whoever designed this brochure for designing it 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:38.920 in the way they did, because it's an alert to 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.160 all parents. If you said you said you are Kady 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.480 in the Mornington Peninsula, this is the kind of stuff 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.359 they're going to think is appropriate for three to four 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:47.040 year olds. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:47.560 You know. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.159 After October seven, there was a lot of anti Israel 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.879 sentiment that went into anti semitism, just outright and ground 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.600 zero for that were universities, Sydney University not least among them. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.399 For two months there was a permanent pro Palestinian encampment 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.520 on the campus that meant Jewish students feared going to class. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.920 Many of them stayed home rather than going to lectures 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.200 because they felt unsafe. So the university has spent four 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.720 hundred and forty one thousand dollars reviewing how they could 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.800 do things differently to combat anti Semitism. Gee, for half 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.080 a million dollars, you'd think, wow, what could we do? 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.040 Maybe don't allow an encampment on the student grounds stopping 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.000 students from getting to class. Anyway, They've come up with 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.400 five revised policies, one of which is actually a pretty 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.600 good idea. They've decided to end what's commonly known as 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.040 lecture bashing. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.280 That's the practice, and I'll get Freyer. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:47.880 To explain it to us in a moment, because you're 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.920 more recently out of university than i am. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:50.320 Freyer. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.080 But this is the practice of before or after a lecture. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.320 The lecture up gives an open forum to a student 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.959 to then make a political speech on all manner of 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:06.200 things not necessarily related to the subjects. Students have paid 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.920 to sit in that lecture theater and learn. And many 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:14.760 of these student bashings or lecture bashings have been quite provocative. 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.520 Yeah, exactly, And that's kind of what happens these socialist activists. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.160 It's always the same ten or fifteen socialists who come 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.280 into these lectures and basically yell at you about whatever 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.120 social justice cause is of the day. But obviously last 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.200 eighteen months it's all been about demonizing Israel, and they 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.560 will come into your lecture theater whether or not the 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.679 lecturer wants them to. In fact, check out this case 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.720 where the lecturer did not want these protests to come in, 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.960 yet they came in. Anyway, if you're opposed to the 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.720 genocide in Palestine, you know there's a ralliant Thursday one PIO. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:21:00.200 You can come along to that one. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.520 Instead of letting these absolute idiots yell at that class 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:11.000 about pro Palestinian rallies, the guy the lecturer just started 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.520 playing Beyond Sy to shut them up. I think that's 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:18.479 an absolutely amazing response, really, But there is a deeper 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.919 problem here that I don't think banning lecture bashing is 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.119 really going to solve, and that is that our universities 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:31.600 have been captured by radical, radical activists. I went back 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.720 to my alma mater a couple of weeks ago for 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:39.160 an event where people got to put on VR headsets 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.600 that depict October seven, and as I was leaving the event, 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.280 this is the greeting I got from some very tolerant 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:56.200 left wing activists. 0:21:49.960 --> 0:22:02.520 Shime on you, Oh it's you mine. Wow wow wow wow. 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.280 And then they proceeded to follow me and my dad. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:07.320 It was just insane. 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.080 They were waiting out there for the full duration of 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.439 the event, like three hours. I mean, the first thing 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.679 we learn is none of these people have jobs or 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.920 really care about their studies, because they have all the 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.160 time in the world to harass people. 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.719 But it is just crazy, and so I don't know 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.120 what it will take. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.200 For the university to truly root out all these anti 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.679 Semitic activists, but it seriously is ground zero for the 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.840 general collapse in social fabric that we're witnessing across the country. 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.120 I just find the whole concept rather bizarre. I mean, 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.199 putting aside the content of what they're saying. I mean, 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.920 they could be talking about the regulation of farm equipment 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.800 in US bigger Stan for all I care. Who gives 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.480 you the right to stand up in front of a 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.399 captured audience, I mean, talk about whatever your pet project is. 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.760 I mean they're there to learn, presumably that's what they 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:00.280 are paying fees for. That's what the taxpayer for many 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.520 of these cases is paying their fees upfront in terms 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.760 of hex and then they'll pay it back later. For 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:10.000 of course, the taxpayer also gives other significant funding to universities, 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.840 and we do that because we expect that students will 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.560 be churned out on the other side with skills that 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.720 will be helpful to this nation and instead they're going 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:19.399 off to UNI. 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:21.200 And the unie says, yeah, it's all. 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.400 Right, you can have the soapbox, stand up and talk 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:24.560 about whatever the hell you want. 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.280 Well, that's not what it's for. 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.959 I understand that unis of places should be places of 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:33.200 free speech and debate, and nothing should be off the table. 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.680 It's all up for discussion, but not when the lecture 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:37.440 is going on. 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.200 I mean, if you want to stand on the front. 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.720 Lawn and bleed about whatever your issue is, that's fine. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.880 That's what the town square is about. But the town 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.159 square doesn't extend into a captive audience. You have a 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.679 right to say what you want to say, but you 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.160 don't have a right to a captive audience that can't 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:56.360 just get up and walk out. 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.359 So Mark Scott, the Vice Chancell's made a good decision 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.159 on this bat and the practice. But of course the 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.760 student Representative Council they're up in arms saying it impinges 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.160 on the long history of political debate at Sydney University, 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.480 which is kind of ironic since it was only a 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.240 few weeks ago that the student union held a meeting 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.919 to debate the definition of anti Semitism, and when a 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.840 Jew got up to speak about it, a huge number 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.159 of people in the room all turned their backs on 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.960 the speaker at the student Union or Representative Council, So 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:30.119 I'm not sure how their commitment to political debate is 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:31.359 reflected in that Caleb. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.600 It's all good when it goes your way, speaking of 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.280 political debate and matters of religion and free speech. A 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.879 shocking case out of the UK overnight, we're bloken by 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:45.120 the name of Hamid Koskin has been convicted found guilty 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:51.400 of a religiously aggravated public order offense. This is blasphemy 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.000 laws by any other name. 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.480 Now. His offense was to back. 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.760 In February, he is from Turkey himself, to go out 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.240 the front of the Twokish embassy and burn a copy 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.040 of the Quran which he was waving around and saying 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:09.040 f Islam, Islam is a religion of terrorism, and Quran 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:13.720 is burning. He was protesting against President Erduan in Turkey, 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:15.920 who he says is running. 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.040 An Islamist regime. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.840 He was attacked by another man in the process of 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.920 staging this protest, but he was then arrested, taken off, 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.040 gets his day in court, and he's told the offense 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.560 is not that he sets something on fire in a 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.480 public place, and I would understand that we don't want 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.320 people going around starting fires in public places, but it 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:43.600 was specifically aggravated motivated by religion. And the judge in 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.280 fact said in this case that one of the aggravating 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:50.680 circumstances was not just that he had a hatred of Islam, 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:54.320 but by extension, that means that he has a hatred 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:58.359 of Islamic people. And so the display that he put 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:02.160 on his peaceful protest, because of course he didn't hurt anyone, 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.919 was somehow discriminatory, and he has now been convicted essentially 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:08.920 of a form of blasphemy. 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:10.840 I mean, this is ridiculous. 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:15.760 Again, find him whatever for starting fires in public places, 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.280 But what does it matter what he set fire. 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.840 To that the irony is that he was attacked as 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.159 he burned the Qur'an, and he was attacked by a 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.520 guy with a knife who allegedly stabbed him and allegedly 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.120 kicked him when he was on the ground. The attacker, 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.440 do you think he's been to court yet? 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:32.200 Not yet. 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.520 He's walking around free on bail. He's not due in 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.040 court for another two years. 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.240 So the guy who allegedly does a stabbing, he's walking around. 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.960 But the guy who burned the Qur'an, he's already been 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.480 tried and found guilty. Kirs Starmer went to the High 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.560 Court as a lawyer defending a woman for the right 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.239 to trample on a US flag, and he said at 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.240 the time even the most insulting acts are protected by 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.760 free speech. But of course now as the Prime Minister, 0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.600 he's been absolutely silent on this issue. Even his own 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.879 party call for the desecration of religious texts to become 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:09.120 a crime. The leader of the Conservatives, Kemy Badenock, has 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.919 said de facto blasphemy laws will set this country on 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.600 a road to ruin this case should go to appeal. 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:18.320 Freedom of belief and freedom not to believe are inalienable 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.399 rights in Britain. As I said in this interview. I'll 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:26.240 defend those rights to my dying days. He was originally 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:30.959 charged with harassing the religious institution of Islam. That's what 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:34.600 the prosecutors originally came up with, as if Islam is 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.640 somehow a person, it's an idea, the same as Christianity 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:38.960 is an. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.600 Idea, the same as communism, capitalism. They're all ideas. 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.800 And if we're not free to criticize, debate, if necessary, 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.600 mock and ridicule ideas, then we are not free in 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.879 any sense at all. This is a terrible judgment in 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.600 the UK. And if Keir Starmer doesn't do something to 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:05.520 overturn this and speak strongly against it, then the whole too. 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.600 Tiakia applies doubly. 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.000 It's a very dark day for the West when you 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.480 can't criticize religion without being hauled before courts. It's like, 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.040 I'm sorry, are we in the twenty first century or 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:19.480 the sixteenth century? 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:20.440 Here? Seriously? 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.200 And there are other countries in Europe that have now 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:27.160 banned the burning of korans for fear of public disorder. 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:29.320 Hmm, let's just think about that. 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:34.199 They're scared of public disorder when you criticize is Lam. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.040 I mean, I think any religion, any idea, any political 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.200 philosophy should be up for debate, and you should be 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:45.160 open to criticism. And the poor guy, the poor protester here, 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.640 he fled Turkey as an atheist because he was being persecuted. 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:54.440 He has first hand experience with the danger of fundamentalist Islam. 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.640 And also the harassment didn't stop. Apparently two people. 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.640 Invaded his home, he received death threats, and he's now 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:06.200 being protected in a safe house. Seriously, Britain, not only 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:10.960 can they not guarantee the safety of people who criticize Islam, 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.200 they're also now prosecuting them. How have we gotten to 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:15.680 this point? 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.520 And we should point out as well that it's one 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.000 thing to be able to criticize ideas, but what this 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:23.920 does is put a certain set of ideas. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:25.800 On a higher pedestal than all others. 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.200 Because if you burnt a copy of the Communist Manifesto, 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.920 for instance, in somewhere in London, I don't think they'd 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.360 be charging you with some sort of you know, otherwise 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.520 aggravated defense. It would be a public order offense that 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.040 you're setting things on fire in public places, But I 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.280 don't think they would say, ah, that was a politically 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:46.320 motivated defense and. 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.560 Therefore it is different. 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.640 But you know, so often these things come up now 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:52.520 where you think back to an old movie. 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:53.840 You're an old TV show. 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.440 And you go, jeez, when they did that, that was satire, 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.320 like they were making fun of these things, as though 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.320 it could never happen again. It turns out most of 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.160 the time they were actually instruction manual. Sir, in this 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.160 case the life of Brian, you have. 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.560 Been found guilty by the elders of the town of 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.720 Uttering the name of our Lord, and so as. 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.040 A bless fever. 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:23.440 You are to be stoned to death. Look, I had 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.000 a lovely supper and all I said to my wife 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:27.440 was that piece of honey. 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:33.000 But was good enough for Jehovah? He said it again. 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.120 Direct from the UK courts in twenty twenty five. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:38.320 So funny. 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.440 And that's the thing, right, if you burnt a Bible 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.400 in front of Westminster Abbey, I highly doubt he would 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.680 be getting prosecuted. But do you guys remember the Olympics 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:48.920 in Main colleig. 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.440 Trying to forget the Paris Way that was so bad? 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:52.080 True? 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.960 Another example, do you remember the drag show of Jesus 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.440 at the opening community that was never prosecuted. But imagine 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.520 if that was the prophet Muhammad. Different story. But anyway, 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.720 a Algerian boxer in Main Khalif caused quite the stir. 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:07.240 There was a lot of speculation. 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:12.160 Was she a male, a female, inter sex, transgender? 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.040 It was all very unclear. 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:18.920 The Olympic Committee said because her past sport identified her 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.560 as a female, she was able to compete in the 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:27.240 female category and won the gold medal, except leaked medical 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:32.000 records from the Boxing Federation shows she was actually excluded 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:36.800 from an international boxing competition back in twenty twenty three 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:42.800 because she showed some male chromozoone markers. And they've now 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.920 said she has to undergo or I guess he they 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.280 the boxer has to undergo further chromosome testing to prove 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.400 that they're actually a female, because these initial tests showed 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.120 they were in fact a male. 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:58.080 Now, the worst part of all this is that. 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.560 The Olympic Committee knew at the Paras Olympics that there 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:06.080 was doubt, serious doubt over the Algerian boxes gender and 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:10.680 that the boxing Federation had already excluded them from competition. 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:16.200 Yet they allowed them to compete beating females, rubbing females 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.520 of the chance to win the gold medal. And now JK. Rowling, 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.440 who has been a fierce defender of women's rights, has 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:28.040 spoken out against this, essentially calling for the medal to 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.680 be revoked. We call for medals to be a revoked 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.640 when cheating occurs. This is an unfair advantage. I don't 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:34.600 see why it's any different. 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.200 Of course the medal should be revoked. 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.560 It's say boxer who has male chromosomes competing in a 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.720 women's event and winning. That's not fair, It's not right, 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.200 and the medal should be returned. Otherwise, you could choose 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.960 next time the Olympics roll around, to watch the Olympics 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.360 or watch your cartoon. What's the difference, watch World Federation wrestling. 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.600 The whole thing is just make believe that. The silly 0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.840 thing about this is twofold one, the one who always 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.320 say follow the science, trust the science, and yet on 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.800 this one the Olympic committee said, we don't want to 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.520 know about the science. Forget a DNA test or a 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.400 chromosomal test. We're happy to take the athlete's word for it. 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.440 And so they simply allowed athletes to self identify according 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.760 to their own passport, which of course is based on 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.360 their own say so. The other thing I found strange 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.440 about this story is now that it's being reported Khalif 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:32.080 has male chromosomes. The New York Post, which reported it, 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.760 continually referred to Khalif as she and her. And this 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.720 is what a topsy turvy, mixed up world we're in now, 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:43.240 where even after it's discovered male chromosomes, the media are 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.680 still using female pronouns to refer to the person. 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.000 And you have to feel sorry for Khalif on some 0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:54.360 level because it would seem that she. I mean, obviously 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:59.440 they choose to go by she, but probably lived most 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.000 of their life as a girl or believing that they 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.920 were a girl, but for whatever reason, a gender disorder 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.880 exists whereby they're not actually entirely a girl. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.320 Now that of course. 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.400 Gives you some level of advantage, and I can imagine 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:14.680 it would be really difficult. 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:15.640 I mean, this is not a case of. 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.279 Way, can I break in for a second. You can't 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.080 be half a boy and half a girl. There's not 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.800 this third dimension, well there is in it was delayed 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:27.839 sexual development. Whereupon I believe the story is that when 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:32.200 Khalif was born, it was believed that Khaliff was female. Yes, 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.080 but later discovered Kalif is actually male. 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.040 Yes, so you can understand why that would be a 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.279 difficult situation. But there are two problems here right. One 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.880 is that Khalif continues to compete in the knowledge of 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.040 that which is unfair. And the second is that the 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.080 IOC did nothing about it. 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:52.640 They called it Russia propaganda. 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:56.399 They were aware, well aware of this testing and they 0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.439 chose to do absolutely nothing about it. The IOC needs 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.799 to be hauled over the coals for that. Of course, 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.600 as we said before, they said it was oh, you 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.239 just show your passport. I mean, for Heaven's sake, in 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.520 many states of Australia now you can have this stuff 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.239 changed in five minutes flat. So you can't trust what 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.120 is on the front of a passport. And for the 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.000 IOC to say that is an absolute joke. If they 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.000 don't fall on their swords for this thing, you know, 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.839 what's the point, It's all over for us. 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:22.200 So before we go to a break, I want to 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:26.120 get your thoughts on comments out of Beijing. After the 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:31.040 Defense Symposium in Singapore, where the US Defense Secretary Pete 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:36.279 Hegseth encouraged Australia's Richard Miles to convince alban easy to 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.000 increase defense spending to three point five percent of GDP, 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.440 which makes sense. We live in a perilous world at 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.320 the moment. But a retired colonel from the People's Liberation 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:50.840 Army in China has told journalists quote, is it necessary 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.400 for you, Australia to follow the US to challenge China? 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.520 If you do not go to China, There's no way 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.200 China would come to Australia to fight against you. This 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:03.440 is a moment for US Australia to do some soul searching. 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.360 Why would China, Freyer be encouraging Australia not to spend 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.759 any more money on defense. You don't need to arm yourselves, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:15.040 even as they embark on the greatest military upgrade since 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:15.960 World War Two? 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.160 Would there be a slight agenda there? Do you think? 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.680 And not only that, he says there would be no 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.560 reason for China to come to you. 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:24.640 They're already here. 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.240 Do you not remember the PLA naval flotilla that circum 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.280 and navigated Australia. Do you not remember the research vessel 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:38.359 that tracked our undersea cable. I'm sorry, China is already here. 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.600 Look, they just sending dictation to the handsome boy, aren't 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.719 they saying this is what you WoT to do? 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.839 And look, it is a. 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.080 Real testing moment for the Prime minister because if he 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.600 chooses to take the side of China, then we know 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.799 exactly where he stands. I think when they sent that 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.760 vessel down, the Twister, that Submarina vessel during the election campaign, 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.640 it was a test of the Prime Minister to see 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.279 in the middle of an election campaign who he would 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.320 side with, and in that case he sided with China. 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.040 He did what they wanted him to do. So it 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.359 would be very interesting to see how this plays out. 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.560 And Alberinezi says, we have our own policy. We don't 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.160 just follow America. Fine, don't follow America in upgrading our 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:21.400 defense capabilities. 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.080 Just do it because Australia should do it. 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.800 It's pretty obvious, as you said Frey, You've got Chinese 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.000 warships live firing off the coast of Sydney. You've got 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.440 a massive armament build up happening in China. 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.320 We don't need to follow the US. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.640 Just do it, because it's a blindingly obvious thing to 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.640 do when you're living in this part of the world 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.879 and you've got China arming at such a rapid rate. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:42.879 We're going to go to a break. 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.239 When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow, 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.000 including a great story on the front page of The 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.319 Australian about just how much money the federal government is 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.400 spending tackling climate change. 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.799 Promise you it'll make your eyes water. That's coming up 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:56.239 in a moment. 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.440 Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.879 what's making news tomorrow. And Caleb, I've got to admit 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.160 when I saw the front page of tomorrow's Hobart Mercury, 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.040 I thought that must be fake news. 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.319 Are you talking about that sculpture looking thing? 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:17.480 Sculpture? 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.520 I'd agree with that. That does well. It ought to 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:21.680 be fake news, I think. 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.359 But if you're referring to the story below it, which 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:29.520 says poly paycheck check. Premier Jeremy Rocliffe has rejected advice 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.400 from the Productivity Commission that Tasmanian politicians receive a twenty 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.719 two percent pay rise from July one, saying the recommended 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.719 increase is out of step with community expectations. That I 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.080 would say, yes, I can understand why you thought that 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.759 might be fake news. Apparently they haven't had a pay rise. 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.520 The pollys in Tazzi for seven years and so the 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.000 base salary for an MP would have gone from one 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.000 hundred and forty thousand to one hundred and seventy one 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.319 and a half thousand. But you know, Rockcliffe has quite 0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.520 rightly pointed out that it's rather out of kildeer with 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:04.000 community expectations right now, so perhaps we should not take 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:06.840 our own interest first here, and good on him for 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.000 doing it. I do find it extraordinary that they haven't 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:10.640 had a pay rise for seven. 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.920 Years, but you know, good on him for not having one. 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.319 We're just to point out the premier himself, his pay 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.840 rise would have been from three hundred and one thousand 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.960 to three hundred and sixty eight thousand, so he's taken 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.480 a big hit by showing leadership on this issue. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:24.120 But that's the problem. 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.839 If you don't take pay rises when they're due, then 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.840 seven years lady, you think, gee, we better get up 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.040 to where we should be. Everyone says, what a twenty 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.479 two percent pay rise? We can't do that. Little mind 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.200 that they haven't had a pay rise since twenty eighteen. 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.680 And seriously, inflation now versus twenty eighteen, they've actually had 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.320 a real pay cut when you consider the amount of 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.000 inflation we've had in Australia. So I don't know, but 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.840 principal decision from Rockcliffe nonetheless, but also down in Tasmania, 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.920 he may not last long as premier because apparently he's 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:58.400 at mercy of house revolved. Tasmanian Liberal Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.719 appears to have lost the confidence of the House of 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.160 Assembly and, barring any Cross bencher backflips, will have to 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.400 resign or call a snap election. With three Cross benches 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.120 late on Tuesday publicly supporting a foreshadowed Labor no confidence 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:16.480 motion in the beleagued Liberal leader, his premiership appears doomed. 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.760 The final decision will now rest with the States Greens, 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:23.160 who will meet as a party, most likely early on Wednesday, 0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.439 to decide mister Rockcliffe's fate. I mean, this can't be 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.120 just over the twenty two percent pay rise. 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:32.080 Surely, I was going to say that's probably only over 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:32.799 the teat. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.280 Didn't Tony Abbott. 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.879 Do his He basically did his number when he made 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:42.400 changes or suggested changes to politicians' pensions. Didn't your superinnuation 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:43.319 or something in that was there. 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.640 There was also the small problem of giving Prince Philip 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.120 as well as well, though though I have to say 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.600 you can't call him the greatest prime minister we never had, 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.879 because of course he was prime minister for a short time. 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.319 But I think he's the greatest prime minister we sort 0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.960 of missed out on who was there for such a 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:01.200 short time and could have done great. 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.680 But the timing of this rejects a play rise form. 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:04.120 Yeah, it. 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:07.360 Is rather interesting. 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:07.680 It is. 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:08.760 It's very interesting. 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.279 They only had I mean the election, say election there 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.319 was fourteen months ago. It was March last year, and 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.719 already they are in trouble. And of course it took 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.319 a few days for them to sort of come out 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.080 of the wash in that election as to how things 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.560 are actually going to turn out. But you know, if 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.400 you can't last fourteen months after an election, you're in trouble. 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.240 And even if you survive. 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.040 An incident like this, you really should be thinking about 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:36.000 your future anyway, because if they're talking about no confidence, 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.440 it'll come back again. If it doesn't happen. 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:40.080 Now and later in the week, we could be talking 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.600 about Premier Eddie Erica. 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.880 Beet Yes, perhaps stay tuned. Also, in the Australian climate 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:51.200 change spend surges to nine billion a year, the federal 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.960 government spending on climate change and ntzera policies have reached 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.799 nine billion a year, up from six hundred million just 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.960 a decade earlier, and up more than four hundred percent 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:07.239 in the last term of parliament. New analysis shows despite concerns, 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.640 progress on emissions cuts is too slow and the costs 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:16.919 of electricity keep on rising. I mean, this is the problem, right. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:21.839 We've now got a government that is spending billions mitigating 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:26.799 climate change, trying to cut emissions to very limited success. 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:31.360 And as we say, Australia is less than two percent 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.920 of global emissions. So we're spending billions and billions of 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.680 dollars every year to achieve what. 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.560 Nothing I mean is nine billion now was one point 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:46.480 seven billion in March twenty twenty two. I mean, forget 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.600 about it was six hundred million a decade ago. 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.359 We're talking three years ago. 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.160 We've gone from one point seven billion to nine billion. 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.680 And what has been delivered for that? Well, I was 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.560 going to say nothing, but that's not true. Everything's just 0:42:58.560 --> 0:42:59.520 become more expensive. 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.560 Meanwhile, we can't afford to properly defend ourselves. We know 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:04.719 where the money can we. 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.520 Can defend ourselves against carbon dioxide. 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.000 The greatest threat facing this country, no doubt, Caleb. Let's 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.680 go to the advertiser in South Australia. Six point eight 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:18.360 million dollars to stop jail balls up reads the headline. 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:23.120 Tougher barriers to prevent people lobbing tennis balls filled with 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.160 drugs into the women's prison a part of a six 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:28.600 point eight million dollar corrections package in this week's state budget. 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.600 The Treasurer said the funding would include building new railings 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.719 on the jail's perimeter defense, where people recently had been 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:39.760 caught hitting tennis balls filled with contraband into the prison yard. 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:43.960 They'll also pay for new high tech security scanners to 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:48.799 be installed. Weirdly enough, this is not unique to the 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.520 South Australian Women's prison. Some years ago there were guys 0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.600 prosecuted in New South Wales for lobbing tennis balls filled 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.240 with drugs into the prison yard, and I read stories 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:02.279 this afternoon about similar activities in UK prisons as well. 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.400 So apparently it's a very common way to try to 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.160 smuggle drugs into a prison just whack a tennis ball 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:08.600 over the fence. 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.799 It's a little more low tech than the video we 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:14.279 saw last week of a throne being used to drop 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.520 vapes and stuff into prison. But look, to be honest, 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.360 I would have thought there's always been a ban on 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.600 balls in women's prisons. Let's go to the front of 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.399 the Herald's Sun Tomorrow where it says exclusive by Rebecca Ball, 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:28.160 greenlight for Principles to suspend expel students who attack peers 0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.960 or teachers away from school bullies Beware is the headline. 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.440 Victorian students bullying are attacking other children and teachers outside 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.880 of school house faces benion or expulsion under a crackdown 0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:38.880 on vicious behavior. 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:40.320 The Herald Son can reveal. 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.080 The States Principles will soon have the authority to discipline 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.960 students whose actions, both in person and online outside school 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:50.560 grounds risk the welfare of their peers and educators. And 0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.919 I think it's a common sense move because, of course 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.960 we know once upon a time bullying occurred in the 0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:00.480 school yard, but essentially the school yard bullying now just continue. Used, 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.120 you know, ad for an item, because it goes straight 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.000 onto Facebook or or TikTok, whatever the hell the kids are. 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:07.840 Using now and it doesn't stop. 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.319 And it is fundamentally a school issue because that's where it. 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:15.120 Emanates exactly and that is the dangerous part of social media. 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.560 The bullies follow them home literally in their pocket in 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:23.680 the courier mail. Thugs get a clear record. Kid creams 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:28.040 who invade Queensland homes armed and attack resonance with knives 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.600 in heinous acts should not have convictions recorded against them, 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.520 the state's highest court has ruled. In a decision handed 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.040 down yesterday, three Court of Appeal judges declared that the 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.080 two teens who stormed the home of Wallaby's rugby legend 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.920 two Tai Kefu should not have convictions on their record. 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.080 Is this fair, James? 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.600 If you break into a home, and if you break 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.640 into a home with a knife, and you break into 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.560 a home with a knife and threaten people, it doesn't 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.520 matter how old you are, that should stay on your records. Sorry, 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.680 but you just can't go soft on things like this. 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.920 You've got to stamp it out. And we've tried the 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.680 soft approach doesn't make a difference. Got to get tough 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:07.799 on it. We're going to go to a break when 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.160 we come back. Chess is not normally regarded as a 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.920 spectator sport, but maybe that's about to change. When you 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.439 see the tantrum thrown by the world number one when 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:15.880 he lost. 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:16.960 That's coming up in a moment. 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.560 Prior to the break, we were looking at tomorrow's newspapers, 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:23.400 which made me think, what sort of newspapers would you typically. 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:24.719 Go to for news? Thought? 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.479 Washington Post, Caleb. Would you go to the Washington Post 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:28.160 to get your news? 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.279 Oh? Most definitely you would, because it'll tell you things that. 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.440 You wouldn't tear anywhere else. 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.000 Probably because no one else would dare to say them, 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:37.279 because it'd bit silly. 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:38.400 Particularly in this case. 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:42.759 The Washington Post had this great expose on fentanyl being 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.400 taken into the United States dropping by record numbers. I 0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:50.239 mean they say in this article that there's a new 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:54.600 and puzzling reality confronting people working at the bottom. Why 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.000 could this be that fananel going into the US has 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:02.879 suddenly dropped Habe. It's because Donald Trump is president, and 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:03.839 of course he said he. 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.320 Was going to crack down on this, and so they thought. 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.320 Well, maybe we won't bother taking it over the border. 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.879 It's gone from seventeen hundred pounds was averaged last year 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:13.799 going over the border each month of being ceazed at 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.400 the border to seven hundred and forty six pounds, and 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.680 the Washington Post is ah, but this started before Trump 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.919 became president, ignoring the fact that, of course, for two 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.959 months between the election and him becoming president, they knew 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:26.960 he was coming anyway. 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.600 Come on, It's almost like if you police the border, 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:34.680 people stop smuggling legal things in. But look, finally someone 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.400 has made an honest Harvard ad. 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.040 It is a parody, but it's pretty funny. Check this out. 0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:44.720 Ever, wish your child was a full blown liberal idiot 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.520 desperate to turn them into a Jew hating extremist who'd 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.360 rather burn a flag than think for themselves, Well, Harvard 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.920 University has the answer. For the low, low price of 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:57.239 half a million dollars will transform your kid into the 0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.680 kind of zealot who sets bags about on fire in 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.480 the street, screaming about whatever CNN's whining about today. Our 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:07.080 elite program guarantees they'll swap reason for rage and facts 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.919 for feelings faster than you can say protest permit. But wait, 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.839 there's more. Our tuition doesn't cover the essentials. Blue hair dye, 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.759 nose piercings, and a weak, flaccid body are sold separately for. 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.839 The small price of five hundred thousand USAU. 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:23.560 Sounds like a pretty good deal, James. 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:26.200 The best humor always comes from telling the truth, and 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:30.360 that's the reason lefties hate humor. He chess isn't normally 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:33.840 a spectator sports. Probably pretty boring to watch other people play. 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.400 But I don't know, maybe I'll change my mind after 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:39.880 watching Magnus Carlson, he's the current world number one lose 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.480 a look at his reaction when he loses to a 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:55.000 nineteen year old kid. He's certainly not happy about it. 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:09.840 Oh my god, that's about as exciting as chess gets. 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:11.399 But it reminds me of when I was a kid 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.759 and you'd lose a game. In you it is still it. 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.240 Is still one of the most polite responses to losing. 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:19.399 I think you should see me when my horse gets 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:20.160 done on the line. 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:21.920 It's a lot worse than that. 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.000 That's all from us. Good night, stick around to bit 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.319 a penalty up in just a moment.