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Speaker 1: Cook over there at typ Central just killing it. She's

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Speaker 1: Well, I definitely don't be starstruck because I'm just an

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Speaker 2: You what the Harp's novelty never wears off. It never

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, sir, great, thanks to really happy

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the relationship between Tiff and

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Speaker 3: So so, I'm just a human being trying to work

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Speaker 3: be you'll be able to order which we want, and

435
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Speaker 3: they'll be part of your body. You know, if you

436
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Speaker 3: want to have an extra ear or pixi ears or

437
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Speaker 3: whatever shape you want.

438
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Speaker 1: This is all coming.

439
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Speaker 3: The synthetic biology and that in it's not even just synthetic,

440
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Speaker 3: it's it's you can actually transform real biology. And we're

441
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Speaker 3: doing that already with you know, Crisper, and there's these

442
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Speaker 3: biohackers and inject themselves with gene editing technology to grow

443
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: their muscles or you know that you can buy gene

444
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: editing stuff online to make glow in.

445
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Speaker 1: The dark beer.

446
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: So you yeah, it's I mean it's really crazy the

447
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Speaker 3: technology that we're coming up, and it is this merging

448
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Speaker 3: of the inanimate world with the animate world, you know,

449
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Speaker 3: And if you go back to the the ancient ancient wisdom,

450
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: I really like combining advance signs with ancient wisdom. I mean,

451
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 3: everything was alive. There was no distinction betweenimate and animates.

452
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: And I think we're coming back to that, you know,

453
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Speaker 3: as a big sort of spiraling back, but with using

454
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Speaker 3: modern technology for that realization.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a long long time ago, as a

456
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Speaker 1: species and as individuals within that species, because of the

457
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Speaker 1: environment that we lived in and what we did and

458
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Speaker 1: what we didn't have, I feel like we were much

459
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Speaker 1: more connected with our body and our physiology and biology,

460
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Speaker 1: and that we were much more intuitive and instinctive. And

461
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Speaker 1: in two tenty and twenty three, where you've got access

462
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Speaker 1: to everything, you know, in terms of food and booze

463
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Speaker 1: and drugs and everything, to change your state is just

464
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Speaker 1: you know, three feet away, we've kind of become disconnected

465
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Speaker 1: from that biofeedback, that's right.

466
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Speaker 3: I think we have lost our own intuitive sense of

467
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Speaker 3: who we are. And I think that you can reclaim that,

468
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: and a lot of the things I talk about are

469
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Speaker 3: trying to reconnect people to that sense of their own biology,

470
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Speaker 3: of their own physiology. And I think there is a danger,

471
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Speaker 3: you know, with all these biometric devices now you know,

472
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Speaker 3: the fitbits and the aura rings and stuff, where you know,

473
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Speaker 3: it's nice about how well you sleep and how many

474
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Speaker 3: steps you've done, but you sort of it detaches you

475
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Speaker 3: from your own intuition. You lose faith in your own

476
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Speaker 3: intuitive sense of your body, and you're trusting output from

477
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Speaker 3: some device. I think there'll be a circling back, so

478
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Speaker 3: we're actually not going to need this technology at all,

479
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Speaker 3: but we're not there yet.

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Speaker 1: They're still to go. That's such a good point, Like

481
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Speaker 1: when we would look at a number that's on our

482
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Speaker 1: watch and would feel good or bad based on that number. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: not how well you sleep.

484
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Speaker 3: Oh look, you know, my watcher tells me how well

485
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Speaker 3: I sleep, rather than knowing when I wake up in

486
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Speaker 3: the morning.

487
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Speaker 1: Oh that was a good night's sleep. So over the years,

488
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Speaker 1: dock one of the things that I did thousands of times,

489
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Speaker 1: which I wouldn't do anymore. But back then we didn't

490
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Speaker 1: know any better. But in the old days, in the

491
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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, we would weigh members or weigh clients

492
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Speaker 1: every whatever, once a week or something. People would want

493
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Speaker 1: to be weighed. And somebody could be having a great day,

494
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Speaker 1: they're happy, everything's good, and they stand on the scales

495
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Speaker 1: and they look at a number that appears between their

496
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Speaker 1: toes and then all of a sudden, life shit, They're

497
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Speaker 1: having a bad day. They're depressed, they're you know, because

498
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Speaker 1: some number appears between their toes that isn't the number

499
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Speaker 1: that they want. But thirty seconds ago, they felt really

500
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Speaker 1: good physically, mentally, emotionally, felt really good. And then now

501
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Speaker 1: they've got a new bit of information. Now they feel

502
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Speaker 1: terrible despite all the physiological kind of stuff that was,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, a minute ago, they were good.

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Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I see that a lot

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Speaker 3: in medicine. So for example, there's this been trend in medicine,

506
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Speaker 3: especially natural medicine, where they'll do still a whole lot

507
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Speaker 3: of testing, yeah, your blood, you know, serum, rhubarb and

508
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: minerals and whatever, rather than actually find out what's what

509
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Speaker 3: symptoms you have and treating the patient. Yes, and I

510
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Speaker 3: think you know, when you when you're actually really and

511
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Speaker 3: it does take a lot of skill to take a

512
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Speaker 3: good history and you know, inquire into a patient how

513
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Speaker 3: they're feeling, and you know when do that starts and

514
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: really investigating what's happened. So it's very easy just to

515
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Speaker 3: order a pathology test and seeing your minerals, your blood

516
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Speaker 3: levels or whatever, and then treating the numbers on the

517
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Speaker 3: pathology test rather than actually treating the patient.

518
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Speaker 1: And I think there is a place for both.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's really good to have information, and the

520
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Speaker 3: more information you've got you can make better decisions. But

521
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Speaker 3: to rely just on that information for your decision making

522
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Speaker 3: and not rely on the intuitive side and the experiential

523
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Speaker 3: side of what's actually happening, I think the danger there

524
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Speaker 3: will be we're sort of the technology becomes between us

525
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Speaker 3: and our intuition.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't see patients too often these days,

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Speaker 1: but when you do, when somebody comes to you as

528
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Speaker 1: a medical doctor, do you ever put on another hat

529
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Speaker 1: and go? I actually think you should go and work

530
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Speaker 1: in the garden, or go for a jog, or it's

531
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Speaker 1: an acupuncture or you know, play with your puppy seven

532
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Speaker 1: times a day. Well I've been I guess I'm famous

533
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Speaker 1: for doing that.

534
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Speaker 3: The last thirty years where I'd write prescriptions, which would

535
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Speaker 3: be going to play with your puppy or draw dragons

536
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: or go dancing. But what I do is actually ask

537
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Speaker 3: people what do you do that. When you do it,

538
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: you lose track of time. You're so absorbed in the activity.

539
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: You're not worrying about the future, you're not feeling guilty

540
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Speaker 3: about the past. You're just absorbed in that activity. And

541
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Speaker 3: often you you know, some people would say I don't

542
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Speaker 3: have anything like that, and they were the really sick ones.

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Speaker 3: And other people wuld say, oh, yeah, I used to

544
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Speaker 3: do ballroom dancing, or I used to paint, or I

545
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: used to garden, and you'd inquire and you'd see how

546
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Speaker 3: that their illness actually deteriorated when they stopped doing those activities.

547
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Speaker 3: So I would prescribe. I'd get a script pat out,

548
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: I've been seeing patients this morning. Actually I get to

549
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Speaker 3: that out, and I'd actually write you gardening three times

550
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Speaker 3: a week or no ballroom dancing three times a week.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, you know, put this on your fridge. This

552
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: is your prescription. This is what you need to do.

553
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: And it was amazing the change you're getting people. Yes,

554
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Speaker 3: and either when you get people to talk about the

555
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: things they love. Because as a doctor, you know you're

556
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Speaker 3: asking about their pain and you know to travel here

557
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: and there and how does it come on and off?

558
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 3: So you're asking people about negative things in their lives.

559
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Speaker 3: I would take a pleasure history. What are the most

560
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Speaker 3: fun things you have in your life? What's your reason

561
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: for living? What are the things you do but you

562
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 3: really enjoy? And when people start to talk about those things,

563
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: their voice changes, their posture changes. You can see them

564
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: in live and in front of you, just as they're

565
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Speaker 3: sharing with you, you know, the activities that they really enjoyed.

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Speaker 3: And that was really powerful to focus on. So I

567
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Speaker 3: mean one example, I remember I had an old patient

568
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Speaker 3: who was a Vietnam vest. He'd broken everybody bone in

569
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Speaker 3: his body as a paratrooper, and he had this chronic

570
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: pain condition and he was getting pathodene injections and there

571
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: was not even off station in his body to put

572
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Speaker 3: the injections because it was all Frey brosed up. But

573
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Speaker 3: the one thing he did with fly remote control aeroplanes.

574
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Speaker 3: This is in the nineteen nineties and when he was

575
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Speaker 3: focusing on and he was like an Australian champion at it.

576
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Speaker 3: But when he was focusing on airplanes. His pain wasn't

577
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Speaker 3: an issue. Wow, But the rest of.

578
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Speaker 1: The time it was.

579
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Speaker 3: So you know, having something that you love to do

580
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: and you focus on that, that's actually medicine and that's

581
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Speaker 3: what i'd prescribe.

582
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I do that commonly, isn't it? Do you

583
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: find it? Probably people listen to you and respect you

584
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: a lot more than they do me. But I find

585
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Speaker 1: it interesting sometimes when people talk to you about, you know,

586
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: if they're flat or they're depressed or they're anxious, and

587
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: we'll talk about, you know, doing something that is like

588
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: we spoke about like playing hanging out with your animals

589
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: or being in nature or listening to music or meditating,

590
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: or they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But what do

591
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: you think is xanax?

592
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 3: Yeah?

593
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, one, I'm not a doctor, but two,

594
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Speaker 1: you know, why don't we like are We're a culture

595
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: that seems to have more faith in drugs than I mean,

596
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: there are so many things that can lower your heart

597
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: rate and lower your blood pressure and reduce anxiety and

598
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: that that don't involve any kind of drug. So I've

599
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: got a poem for this.

600
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Speaker 3: At the start of the pandemic, I was thinking you know,

601
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Speaker 3: because I've studied all these complimentary medicines. I've written all

602
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: these research papers on them. So I saying, what are

603
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Speaker 3: all the activities you can do at home with no cost,

604
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: no training, and no equipment that have research evidence that

605
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: they reduce anxiety, improve immunity. And yeah, they've got evidence

606
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: behind them. So I've started writing these out and it

607
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: came and it came out of the poem. So this

608
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Speaker 3: I'm sort of I'm proud of this point. It's got

609
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Speaker 3: fifty activities in it, but hear it. If you go

610
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: to my website, you can click on each of these

611
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: activities and it will link to the research behind it.

612
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Do you know what, We've never in five years and

613
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Speaker 1: one thousand and nearly eleven hundred episodes, never had anyone

614
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: share a pime. So this is the debut for typ pimes.

615
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: And this is a systematic review poem, so it's evidence

616
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: based poem. I call it The Whorl of Wellness and

617
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: it goes like this, hold someone's hand, gaze into their eyes,

618
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: go barefoot in nature, bask in sunrise, choose a dance

619
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Speaker 3: partner and go find your groove, do tight your yoga

620
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: and mindfully move share a massage, enjoy healing, touch, Focus

621
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Speaker 3: on one thing and don't think too much. Make time

622
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: for a hobby, play chess, fly kite, make use of

623
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Speaker 3: your hands, draw paint, so or right. Help someone in need,

624
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: Donate to a cause, play games, meditate, read stuff from bookstores,

625
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: turn off your screens, get a good sleep, declutter, spark,

626
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: joy and love what you keep. Dig around in the garden,

627
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: pick up a guitar, Slip into a bathtub, sauna or spa.

628
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: Care for a pet, take up a sport, Go on

629
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Speaker 3: vacation and make your home a resort. Lie in a hammock,

630
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: relieve pent up stress, relax and do nothing and then

631
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: do even less. Laugh out loud, share a joke, give

632
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: someone a kiss, say a prayer, chant a mantra, and

633
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: follow your bliss.

634
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: So that that's pretty amazing. I love that. Where can

635
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: people find that mark on my website?

636
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: Doctor mark dot co, d r M A r C

637
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: dot co and forward, slash poems and uh all research backed.

638
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: That's all research back. So each one of those activities

639
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: has a link to the to the systematic review or

640
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: the randomized control trial that that's backing backing it, And

641
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: I give I think of that that that poem to

642
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: my patience. I say, you have include as many of

643
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: these activities in your life if you can.

644
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: You know what I laughed is just before when you

645
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Speaker 1: said I've been seeing patients this morning and you held

646
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: up a script pad there, I would think, one because

647
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you're a medical doctor, and two because you're writing. Even

648
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: if it's like go dancing, or even if it's you know,

649
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a day line the floor with your dog,

650
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Speaker 1: you know, or twice a day, but it's on a

651
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Speaker 1: script pad. It's given to me by a doctor. I'm

652
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: much more likely to do it. That's it. You just

653
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Speaker 1: told me to do it. I'm less likely. But if

654
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: you write it out on a script I feel like, well, shit,

655
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: this is clinical. I've got to do this.

656
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Speaker 3: That's right, and put it on your fridge, you know,

657
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: the fringe magnet. Yeah, so it gives it some authority

658
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: to do that. At the moment, I just write script

659
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: of medical cannabis, so I don't really write other other scripts.

660
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Speaker 1: Oh well, now you're going to get in undated. I

661
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: don't need more patient. Don't really know. One of the

662
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: things that we've spoken about, I reckon five times in

663
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Speaker 1: a thousand episodes. I'm interested in your take on it.

664
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Speaker 1: And in fact, Tiff and I spoke about a guy

665
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: that we've both spoken with a bit called Professor Jeffrey

666
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Reddicker from Harvard, who is a researcher but specializes or

667
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time and effort researching spontaneous healing

668
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: and plus ebos and all of that.

669
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Speaker 3: What do you think of all that? Where do you

670
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: sit with the you know, our ability to heal ourselves

671
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: from things that apparently are death sentences or terminal Yeah,

672
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Speaker 3: I mean, I believe nature has infinite healing power. And

673
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: I've because I've been in this natural medicine world for

674
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Speaker 3: thirty plus years, I've seen so many cases of dramatic healing.

675
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a good friend with Ian Gawler. Yeah,

676
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: he's a case study of you know, he had these

677
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: cannonball lesions in his lungs and the bony cancers all

678
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: the way through his lungs and given six weeks to

679
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: live and what forty years later he's still around and

680
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: you know, transformed his life through you know, sort of

681
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: meditation and you know, lifestyle change. So I've seen some

682
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Speaker 3: really dramatic turnarounds. Yes, and I mean if you have

683
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Speaker 3: a look what humans are capable of, it's mind blowing.

684
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: You know, some of these amazing YouTube videos of what

685
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: people can do.

686
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Speaker 1: And now how to turn that on?

687
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: Because one thing to say, Okay, there's these examples of it,

688
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: how do you actually activate it? And some of those

689
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: activities in my poem and those activities, but when you

690
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: lose track of time so you're sort of at one

691
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: with the universe, that's there. They're the activities that can

692
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: potentially turn that on, But there is no answer of

693
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: how to you know, switch that on for everybody, and

694
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: not that you want to. I mean, in Western medicine,

695
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: we see death as the enemy and you know, fight

696
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: it at all costs. But I've seen people have amazing, beautiful,

697
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: really wanted and welcome death and they were really successful.

698
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Speaker 3: But Western medicine still sees that as a as a

699
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Speaker 3: failure a deare.

700
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Speaker 1: So.

701
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we have incredible power. I mean, the

702
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: whole placebo effect. I mean, it's so powerful you have

703
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: to control for it and all these experiments because it works. Yeah,

704
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: it works a lot of the time.

705
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Speaker 1: What about one of the great challenges, especially twenty twenty three,

706
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: I think it has been around forever really, but post pandemic,

707
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conversation around anxiety. Is anxiety produced

708
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: more by the situation and circumstance or more by the

709
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: individual in the middle of it? Oh, certainly by the individual.

710
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Speaker 3: And a lot of the stuff I've been teaching people

711
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: now and working on is how you can remain really

712
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: calm and relaxed in the midst of a really chaotic

713
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Speaker 3: and stressful situation. So there's things like I did a

714
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: too with Bim Half and you know, how to teaching

715
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: people how to stay in an ice bath, which is

716
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: not really comfortable, but how do you then relax when

717
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: you're in an ice bath? And the work we did

718
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Speaker 3: with Lauren actually the Lauren burn 'osing a gold medice

719
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: in taekwondo, and she was one of my PhD students,

720
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Speaker 3: and we investigated these world champion athletes who'd be multiple

721
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: world champions and said, how do you stay in the

722
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Speaker 3: top of the world in your sport for so many years?

723
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Speaker 3: I mean, what you eat, what do you think? How

724
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Speaker 3: do you live? And we found out that they all

725
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: did ice bathing, and they did it for the mental

726
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: health benefits of how to relax in a stressful situation,

727
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Speaker 3: and I think that's a really important skill. I mean,

728
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: yoga gives you that skill. When you do a yoga stretch,

729
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: you sort of go to the edge of your stretch,

730
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Speaker 3: and there's a point that I call the point of

731
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: forced mindfulness. That's the point where your body says, don't

732
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Speaker 3: go any further, you're going to hurt yourself. You don't

733
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Speaker 3: stretch any further. And if you do stretch, if you

734
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: try and push past that, you're going to tear a

735
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: muscle and you reduce your flexibility. If you just go

736
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Speaker 3: to that point of where you're feeling quite stress and

737
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: you're at the edge of your tolerance, and then you

738
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: practice relaxing and breathing, so you're relaxing in that stressful situation.

739
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Speaker 3: The same thing happens in a sauna or an ice ba.

740
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Speaker 3: There's a point where your body says, get out too much,

741
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: when you're about to tap out, and at that point,

742
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: if you can just relax and practice being relaxed under stress,

743
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: that builds up your resilience. But if you do that

744
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 3: what I recommend, and this naturally happens in the op class,

745
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: so you know you're doing your stretches and your stretch

746
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: one side and the other side, and you go to

747
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: the point of that no forced mindfulness well being comfortably uncomfortable.

748
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: So you're practice being relaxed under stress. But then at

749
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: the end of the class, you go into Shavasena at

750
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: the corpse pose and you do a deep relaxation and

751
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: then you're practicing relaxing while you're relaxed.

752
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: And when you do that, you.

753
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: Go much deeper into the relaxation because you've stressed yourself earlier,

754
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 3: so the contrast between the stress and the relaxation is greater.

755
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: And when you really relax deeply like that, all your

756
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 3: stress hormones can't fall back into balance, your mental activity

757
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: comes back into balance, and you really get in touch

758
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: with your inner self. That's a great time to make

759
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: decisions if you have to have to make an important decision,

760
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: because you're in touch with yourself literally, and it's a

761
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: really good time to heal. That's when your body doesn't healing.

762
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I really encourage people to go to the

763
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 3: limits of their stress and practical relaxing while they're stressed,

764
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: but then balance that with having a deep relaxation and

765
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: practicing being relaxed while you're relaxed.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Lauren. If Lauren's listening, we love you

767
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: your ace and thanks for connecting the doc and us.

768
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Speaker 1: It's much appreciated. Yeah, that's that, that equanimity, that calm

769
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: in the chaos, right, That being able to, you know,

770
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: despite what's going on around you self regulate and to

771
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: be able to James Bond effect. Right.

772
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Speaker 3: We love about James Bond because you know, there's all

773
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: these chaos going around, but he knows who to shoot

774
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: and who to care for you to go through and

775
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: you know.

776
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do I make good decisions and do smart

777
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: things and act and react the way that is optimal

778
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ship that's going that's right,

779
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: that's going on around.

780
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Speaker 3: But the way to do it is you create a

781
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: ship best and you practice doing that and then when

782
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: life throws it at you, then you can deal with it.

783
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Speaker 1: That's so true. Is like we in fact back to TIFFs.

784
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: So TIFF's training for this thing that will remain nameless,

785
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: but it's going to be horrible potentially. And so I

786
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: said to her, like the other day, I've been getting

787
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: it to do things that a lot of them are

788
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: fucking horrible and I go, you need to be used

789
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: to horrible because if we just get you traditionally fit,

790
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's great, But if we're doing it in

791
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: a methodical, reasonable, comfortable, sensible way, when you get in

792
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: the middle of this thing that you're training for where

793
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: it isn't predictable, it isn't nice, it isn't comfortable, it

794
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: isn't familiar, it's freezing, you're in the middle of water,

795
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: you're here, you're there. There's all this shit going on

796
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: that you haven't dealt with. You know, for me, even

797
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: as an exercise physiologist, I think it's thirty percent about

798
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: your body and seventy percent about all the other stuff.

799
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, so me trying to get and the same

800
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: with you know, I've worked with lots of professional athletes,

801
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: and you know, understanding what their body needs to be

802
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: doing to execute what they need to do for their

803
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: sport or task or activity is fundamental. But you can

804
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: get any brilliant, genetically gifted athlete who's beautifully trained, but

805
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: if they can't perform under pressure, they're fucked. You can't

806
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: be a Lauren Burns, no matter how great your body

807
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: or genetics or skill or talent is. If you can't

808
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: go to the Olympic Games and under extreme pressure execute,

809
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing is, so it's like, yeah, fit, strong, functional,

810
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: specifically trained, well nourished, well slept, you know, all the

811
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: physiological buttons pushed. Yep, sure, but can you deal with shit?

812
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: Can you do what most people would give up on?

813
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: That's where you know, you can recreate a ship storm

814
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: and practice it, exhibiting the ship storm and then and

815
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: then then you actually feel it. That does It builds

816
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: your physiological resilience. It also builds your confidence because when

817
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: you can do that, you feel like you can handle anything.

818
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: You feel invincible. And yeah, that's what I really know.

819
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: I love teaching people that and I do a lot

820
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: through bathing because bathings. Most people think bathing's really comfortable.

821
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: You know, you go to hot springs and your line

822
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: in hot water, it's really and it is, that's super

823
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: relaxing and super comfortable. But you go into an ice

824
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: bath and after a minute or two you really want

825
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: to get out, Or you go into a sauna and

826
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: after you know, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes, you really want

827
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: to get out because your body is suffering and dealing

828
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: with that and actual you've got another little poem here.

829
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: So the last poem was all about the chronic things

830
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: you can do to keep yourself relaxed. So this is

831
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: in the acute situation, when the ship storm is hitting you,

832
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 3: there's what you want to do is activate your parasympathetic

833
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: nervous system. Because normally, you know when the ship storm hits,

834
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 3: you've got your sympathetic nervous system where it's fight and flight,

835
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: you're up and your adrenalines up. But when you're in

836
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 3: fight and flight, often that's fearful and your brain turns off.

837
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: In that fight and fight, you don't want to think

838
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: about it. You want to act instinctively, so you don't

839
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: have tiger or should I do this? All that. But

840
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: if you can calm yourself down, you can make a

841
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: better decision. And there's a way to do that to

842
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: stimulate your rest and digest your parasympathetic nervous system. And

843
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: there are things you can do with your body, very

844
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: simple things that will activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And

845
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: like all these things, the ten hacks to relax, and

846
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: it's super simple. It's touch all your fingers, wiggle your toes,

847
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: soften your stomach, breathe through your nose, thy smile, wallow thing,

848
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: flutter your eyelids, and focus within. Now, all of those

849
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: activities activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And there all activities

850
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: you do when you're safe in your cave, when you're

851
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: running away from tig or fighting a battle.

852
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: It's so smart that you do that. I mean, it's

853
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: so smart that you you're teaching people, you know, because

854
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: people can memorize that quite easily and recall that you.

855
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: I was teaching to a patient this morning with PTSD

856
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: and anxiety and having panic attacks. And when the panic

857
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: attack comes on, if you've got things you can do

858
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: that give you a sense of control, but they actually

859
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: calm your nervous system. And this is you know the

860
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: you know the power of vaguel. You know the Vagel

861
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: theory where you can have sympathetic nervous system high because

862
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: you're in a high adrenaline situation, but then you can

863
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: increase your vagual activity, your parasympathetic so you can still

864
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: be relaxed in that chaotic situation. And that's when you

865
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: make the best decisions. That's when you can get the

866
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: edge over your component, your opponent, and where you for

867
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: much better. So it's how do you stop panicking and

868
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: stay calm when the ship storm hits?

869
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: And these sort of tricks can help, so you can

870
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: be cognitively and physiog logically optimal at the same time. Now,

871
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: maybe forty percent of my audience, I'm guessing, do not

872
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: know who wim Hoff is. I do. I'm a fan,

873
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: tiff you and I of course don't you. Yeah, yep,

874
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: one tell us who he is and tell us what

875
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: you did with him.

876
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 3: So whims they call him the iceman. So he sort

877
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: of made ice fading quite famous. He has a method

878
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: that involves breathing where you breathe as much as you

879
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: can so hyperventilate and blow off all your carbon dogs

880
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: side and get dizzy and lightheaded and really uncomfortable, and

881
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: then you hold your breath for as long as you can.

882
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: And it just happens when you if you blow off

883
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: all your carbon dogs side, then hold your breath. You

884
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: can hold your breath for a long time, and anyone

885
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: can do that. And then he also promoted he had

886
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: the world record for many years of the longest spent

887
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: in an ice bath over an hour. He can spend

888
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: in full ice and control his body temperature, and then

889
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: no one could believe that he could train anyone else

890
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: to do that.

891
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: And they actually tested him.

892
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: They did some research on him where they gave him

893
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: in with the poison around E.

894
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: Coli.

895
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 3: So it's it's pretending you've got a blood infection without

896
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: active bacteria. So it's the lipoprotein coat around the bacteria.

897
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: That's what your body reacts to when you've got septacemia

898
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: or blood infection. So they gave that to him and

899
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: he did his breathing, did his thing, and he didn't

900
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: get affected by it at all, and they couldn't believe.

901
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: And he's this amazing charismatic dutch Man who's got a

902
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: lot of bravado and a lot of self confidence. And

903
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: they said, you know, oh yeah, you can do that

904
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: because you're a freak. He goes, no, I can teach

905
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: anyone to do it, And they said, how long you

906
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: take a year of training on? Take them on the weekend,

907
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: and they said, oh yeah, sure, And he did it.

908
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: He took a group of about twenty five people away

909
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: in Poland and I think it maybe he took him

910
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: for five days or a week and trained him on

911
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: the training them on the breathing, trained them on the

912
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 3: ice bathing. They did end up walking up a mountain

913
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: in the snow in their in their board shorts, and

914
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: a week later they all tested with the same injection

915
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: of what should have been except to see me, which

916
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: gives you fever and chills and pains for twenty four hours,

917
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: and they were able to do it as well. So

918
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: he has this whim half method, which is the breathing

919
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: and the ice bathing, where he trains people to overcome

920
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: their own sort of body, their own physiology.

921
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: And he came to.

922
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: Australia about five years ago, ess actually living up in

923
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: NUSA at the moment, I think, and I sort of

924
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: toured with him, giving the lecture on the signs behind

925
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: the whim Holf method. And it was really interesting for

926
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: me to formula research there because I'd already done a

927
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: lot of research on breathing practices and bathing practices and stuff.

928
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: So I sort of condensed that together. And so you know,

929
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: we went to Brisbane and Sydney in Melbourne and we

930
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: had like five hundred people would come to an event

931
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: and they'd all do two minutes in an ice bath.

932
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: And when you do two minutes on an ice bath.

933
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: You feel amazing when you get out in this endorphin

934
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: rush and you feel really powerful. So they're really sort

935
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: of high vibing events, and so I travel with him.

936
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: I ended up doing some research which you never fully

937
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: got published, that where we in survey one of my

938
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: PhD students surveyed about four thousand people doing the wim

939
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: hoffmet and saying, you know, why do you do it?

940
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: What effects do you get? What are the benefits? And

941
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: it was amazing that people get incredible benefits from PTSD

942
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: and anxiety, from depression, and from back pain and joint

943
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: pains and fibromyalgia and chronic pain. They were like the

944
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: big ticket items that people got benefits from. And I

945
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: think it's especially with the anxiety and the PTSD, is

946
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: like when you go into an ice bath, you naturally

947
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: you had to ventilate, and that reproduces the breathing pattern

948
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: and the body chemistry of anxiety of trauma.

949
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, when I.

950
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: Was working in emergency departments, you'd have people coming into

951
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: the emergency department thinking they having a heart attack, but

952
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: they're hype of ventilating. They're having a panic attack. But

953
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: it's the same sort of feeling that you're having well

954
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: you're about to die and having a panic attack, and

955
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: you can simulate that by going to an ice bath.

956
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: But then if you can control your breathing and overcome that,

957
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: it gives you the chance, well, I can overcome this panic.

958
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 3: And it can be dangerous if you've had really severe

959
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: trauma in the past and you do that to someone unexpected,

960
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: you can reactivate that trauma. But if you do that

961
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: in a very controlled environment where they can get out

962
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: anytime they want, they're in full control of the situation.

963
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 3: There's a hot bath or a sawn or something that

964
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: can warm up so they're not going to freeze, then

965
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: they can actually reproduce that previous trauma, that panic in

966
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: a way that they're in control of it. And then

967
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: they can overcome and they can control their breath and

968
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: relax their breathing down, and suddenly they've got mastery over

969
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: their own body when they didn't have it before, and

970
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: that could be super powerful. And often when you're doing

971
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: big public events or five hundred people sitting in nice bars,

972
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: you need to watch out for the people who are

973
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: getting triggered by that who and with a bit of coaching,

974
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: pretty much everybody gets through it. But it's a really

975
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: empowering thing for people to do. But you do have

976
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: to be a little bit careful because people are more sensitive.

977
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: To give people that feeling of control over panic, it's

978
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: such a gift to give to people, do you know.

979
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, so I remember hearing about that where he

980
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: was in that hospital and they injected him with that

981
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: whatever it was that made people. Typically it would make

982
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: people really unwell for a period of time, and he

983
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: went give it to me, and they gave it to

984
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: him and he was completely fine and there. Yeah, and

985
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: then he trained all those people that were not handpicked

986
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: by him. I don't think.

987
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: I think they're actually chosen by the researchers or whatever.

988
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

989
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: No, and I hadn't done anything special before, and no,

990
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: just hear I can't like.

991
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: What I don't get is why does that not blow

992
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: everyone's socks off. Let's research that. Let's lean into like,

993
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: here's all of these people doing shit that is not

994
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: meant to be possible. Why are we not pushing into that?

995
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: Is it because it makes no money?

996
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: There's no money in it? I mean what I mean,

997
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: He's and now you know all the stuff in that

998
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 3: poem I just read. You know, those activities don't cost anything,

999
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: and they don't make money for any organizations, do they.

1000
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: That's right, Well, suddenly, I mean the wellness industry and

1001
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 3: the spa industry in Hot Springs. I mean, yes, pretty

1002
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: nice and boring, but it's not it's not really a

1003
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: blockbuster drug that you make a billion dollars or you know,

1004
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: many bultiple billions of dollars out of a molecule by

1005
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: doing that.

1006
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: These are activities. I mean.

1007
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: So for example, I really I've got to I think

1008
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: I call the cold water hokey pokey, which is a

1009
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: way of so because after the wim Hoff thing and

1010
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: traveling in the ice bathing, I was going to lectures

1011
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: in a plays like wing Gana, which is like in

1012
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: this luxury health retreat and tell people to you know,

1013
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: going to use cold water. And most people say, I know,

1014
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: we hate cold water. We can't tolerate it, you know,

1015
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: because people are pretty wimpy generally. So I thought, and

1016
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, wim just do it, you know, get in there.

1017
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: And but you know, the people who come to whim

1018
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: Hoffa then, or the alpha males or the alpha females

1019
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: or they you know, the fighters and the martial artists

1020
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: and the footballer, and I was talking to elder women

1021
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: and people who are more sort of relaxed, so though,

1022
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: there must be a way to do this that's gentle,

1023
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: and I came up with this what I call the

1024
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: cold water hokey pokey, And you can do it at

1025
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: home in the shower.

1026
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't cost any money.

1027
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: You so just basically you start off with a hot shower,

1028
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: and then at the end of your nice hot shower,

1029
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: you turn the heat up a little bit so you

1030
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: become a bit uncomfortably hot and a bit flushed. And

1031
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: at that point you stand back and you turn the

1032
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: hot water off and the cold water on. But you

1033
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: just get your left foot it's okay, you've been really hot,

1034
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: and you put your left foot can handle the cold water,

1035
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: and then you put your left leg in, and you

1036
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: put your right foot and your leg and then your

1037
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 3: left hand and arm and your other hand and arm.

1038
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: And what that does it constricts the blood in your

1039
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: limbs and sends that hot blood into the core of

1040
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: your body. But you're still feeling okay even though you've

1041
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: got the cold water on your limbs. And then you

1042
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: keep breathing calmly, and you smile to yourself, because that's

1043
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 3: what it's all about.

1044
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: How do you stay calm and you.

1045
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: Have that inner piece, and then then you take a

1046
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: big breath in, and before you put your left side in,

1047
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: you start to sigh out. And then you put your

1048
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 3: left side in, and when the water hits your neck

1049
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: and your sort of upper body. Normally that would when

1050
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: you go oh, it would make you have a big

1051
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: gasp because your blood vessels are close to the surface there,

1052
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 3: and that gives you that shock. But if you're already

1053
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: going as you do that, you feel the cold, but

1054
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 3: you don't get the shock, so it takes the emotional

1055
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 3: reaction away from it. So you take a big sigh

1056
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: and you put your left side in, your right side in,

1057
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: your front side in, and you turn yourself around and

1058
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: you keeping calmly and smile to yourself because that's what

1059
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: it's all about. And then you put your whole head

1060
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: in and then you move your head around, you know, standstill,

1061
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: get a drenching, slowly, turn yourself around, continue breathing, calmly,

1062
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: smile to yourself. That's what it's all about. And then

1063
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: you can put the cold water on your kidneys when

1064
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: you're growing and on your armpits there are places where

1065
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: your blood vessels are close to the surface, chills your

1066
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: body a little bit, and you'll find after doing that,

1067
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: you'll be standing in the cold water and you say, oh,

1068
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: it's all right, I can do this. And at that

1069
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: point you're breathing calmly, you're in the cold water. You

1070
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: get out and you start your day. And it takes

1071
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: about a minute, like literally one minute to do that.

1072
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: And if you do it, you started your day singing

1073
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: and dancing. You come out feeling amazingly alive and invincible.

1074
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: Your hair and your skin improoves because cold water actually

1075
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: is really good for your hair and your skin, and

1076
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: you feel like you can do anything. And the hardest

1077
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: part of that whole thing is the decision to do it.

1078
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't cost any money, it doesn't take any time.

1079
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: I mean saves money, you're saving hot water. But that

1080
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 3: decision to do it is that barrier.

1081
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: But if you can.

1082
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: Overcome that barrier, that procrastination barrier, that can then have

1083
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: like a rollover effect for the rest of your life.

1084
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: So that difficult conversation you want to you had to have,

1085
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: or that job that shitty job you really didn't want

1086
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: to do. Suddenly okay, I can just do it, and

1087
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: you just make the decision to do it, and you

1088
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: do it knowing that it's not the best thing to do.

1089
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's not the most fun thing to do,

1090
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 3: but it's actually fun overcoming.

1091
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: That hurdle once we get fully immersed, Mark, once I'm

1092
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: all in head, yeah, everything pits knackers are how how

1093
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: long do I stay and need to stay under there?

1094
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: Thirty sixty?

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00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: Not even just to the point where you're breathing comfortably, right,

1096
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 3: so that once you're breathing comfortably, you've that's the biggest hurdle.

1097
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: Now there is an added benefit if you can get

1098
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: to the point where you become shivery, right, so at

1099
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: the point of you're not shivering and a chattering, but

1100
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 3: if you're a little bit shivery, then what you've dropped,

1101
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 3: you've dropped your body temperature, and that does things like

1102
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: activate brown fat, which helps you burn white fat, and

1103
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: that turns on your metabolism, has other benefits. But just

1104
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: the benefit of overcoming the cold and showing that you

1105
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: can actually overcome a difficult situation. I be calm just

1106
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: to the point where you're in the cold, breathing calmly.

1107
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: That's all you need At that point, you're good to go.

1108
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: Well, if you know what today's activity is, don't you.

1109
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 3: Thanks?

1110
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Hi, Mark, You're amazing. We know you've got another podcast

1111
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: coming up. How do people find you? Follow you, connect

1112
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: with you, read your poems and learn more about you

1113
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: and your work.

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Speaker 3: So my website is dtor Mark dr M A r

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Speaker 3: C dot Co. I post a bit on Facebook and

1116
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: on LinkedIn. I'm not really on Instagram. I need to

1117
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: up my social media, but yeah, on my website of

1118
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: Facebook or LinkedIn the main sort of avenues, they can

1119
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: email me info I n FO at doctor Mark dot co.

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00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: They can email me for people you want to communicate

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: with me at all.

1122
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm upgrading my website. But all my poems

1123
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: and stuff are there at the moment, and they're all

1124
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: free and I'm happy to share.

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00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: Well, we would love to have you back because you're

1126
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: a killer, But we'll say goodbye. We'll say goodbye off

1127
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: air in a moment, but for the minute, thanks so much.

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00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: Come and have a chat with us on typ We

1129
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I've been a pleasure, Craig, and I'm good luck with

1131
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: your training teat sounds like you can be doing. Thank you, Mark.

1132
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: It'd be rude for me to have a favorite on

1133
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: typ but I think I just have one. I think

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00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: Mark's just Yeah, you're amazing.

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00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: I love that. Well, I've got more poems I can

1136
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: share next time. Yeah, stay there, mate, we'll say goodbye.

1137
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: Thanks everyone.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got lots of things to action, because that

1139
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: was fantastic.