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Speaker 1: Cook over there at typ Central just killing it. She's

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Speaker 1: Craig style. Well, I definitely don't be starstruck because I'm

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Speaker 2: Tell you what the Harp's novelty never wears off. It

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I've trained you twice in your life,

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Speaker 1: just bloody Marco, Welcome to the show, sir, great, thanks

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Speaker 1: to really happy to be here. What do you think

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Speaker 1: Anyway, enough about my bullshit, give us the you know what,

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Speaker 1: your buio was so long, you've done so much stuff.

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Speaker 2: the synthetic biology and that in it's not even just synthetic,

434
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Speaker 2: it's it's you can actually transform real biology. And we're

435
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: doing that already with you know, Crisper, and there's these

436
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: biohackers and inject themselves with gene editing technology to grow

437
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: their muscles or you know that you can buy gene

438
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: editing stuff online to make glow in the dark beer.

439
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's I mean it's really crazy the technology

440
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 2: that we're coming up, and it is this merging of

441
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: the inanimate world with the animate world, you know, and

442
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Speaker 2: if you go back to the the ancient ancient wisdom,

443
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 2: and I really like combining advance signs with ancient wisdom.

444
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean, everything was alive. There was no distinction betweenimate

445
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: and animates. And I think we're coming back to that,

446
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 2: you know, as a big sort of spiraling back, but

447
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: with using modern technology for that realization.

448
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Speaker 1: I feel like a long long time ago, as a

449
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: species and as individuals within that species, because of the

450
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Speaker 1: environment that we lived in and what we did and

451
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: what we didn't have, I feel like we were much

452
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: more connected with our body and our physiology and biology,

453
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Speaker 1: and that we were much more intuitive and instinctive. And

454
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Speaker 1: in two tenty twenty three, where we've got access to everything,

455
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of food and booze and drugs

456
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: and everything to change your state is just you know,

457
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Speaker 1: three feet away, we've kind of become disconnected from that biofeedback.

458
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Speaker 2: That's right. I think we have lost our own intuitive

459
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Speaker 2: sense of who we are, and I think that you

460
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: can reclaim that and a lot of the things I

461
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: talk about are trying to reconnect people to that sense

462
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: of their own biology, of their own physiology. And I

463
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: think there is a danger with all these biometric devices.

464
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: Now you know the fit from the aura rings and stuff. Well,

465
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Speaker 2: you know, it's nice to know how well you sleep

466
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: and how many steps you've done, but you sort of

467
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: it detaches you from your own intuition and you lose

468
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Speaker 2: face in your own intuitive sense of your body, and

469
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Speaker 2: you're trusting output from some device. I think, you know,

470
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Speaker 2: there'll be a circling back. So we're actually not going

471
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Speaker 2: to need this technology at all, But we're not there yet.

472
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Speaker 2: They're still to go.

473
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Speaker 1: That's such a good point, Like when we would look

474
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Speaker 1: at a number that's on our watch and would feel

475
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Speaker 1: good or bad based on that number.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not how well you sleep? Oh look, you know

477
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Speaker 2: my watch that tells me how well I slept, rather

478
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: than knowing when I wake up in the morning. Oh

479
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: that was a good night's sleep.

480
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Speaker 1: So over the years, dock one of the things that

481
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Speaker 1: I did thousands of times, which I wouldn't do anymore.

482
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Speaker 1: But back then we didn't know any better. But in

483
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Speaker 1: the old days, in the eighties, and nineties. We would

484
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Speaker 1: weigh members or weigh clients every whatever, once a week

485
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Speaker 1: or something.

486
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Speaker 2: People would want to be weighed.

487
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Speaker 1: And somebody could be having a great day, they're happy,

488
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Speaker 1: everything's good, and they stand on the scales and they

489
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Speaker 1: look at a number that appears between their toes and

490
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, life shit, They're having a

491
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Speaker 1: bad day. They're depressed. They're you know, because some number

492
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Speaker 1: appears between their toes that isn't the number that they want.

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Speaker 1: But thirty seconds ago, they felt really good physically, mentally, emotionally,

494
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Speaker 1: felt really good. And then now they've got a new

495
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Speaker 1: bit of information. Now they feel terrible despite all the

496
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Speaker 1: physiological kind of stuff that was, you know, a minute

497
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Speaker 1: ago they were good.

498
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Speaker 2: And I think, I mean, I see that a lot

499
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Speaker 2: in medicine. So for example, there's this been trend in medicine,

500
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Speaker 2: especially natural medicine, where they'll do still a whole lot

501
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Speaker 2: of testing, yeah, just your blood, you know, serum, rhubarb

502
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: and minerals and whatever, rather than actually find out what's

503
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Speaker 2: what symptoms you have and treating the patient. Yes, and

504
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Speaker 2: I think you know, when you when you're actually really

505
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Speaker 2: and it does take a lot of skill to take

506
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Speaker 2: a good history and you inquire into a patient how

507
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Speaker 2: they're feeling, and you know when do that starts and

508
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: really investigating what's happened. So it's very easy just to

509
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: order a pathology test and seeing your minerals, your blood

510
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: levels or whatever, and then treating the numbers on the

511
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Speaker 2: pathology test rather than actually treating the patient. And I

512
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: think there is a place for both. I mean, it's

513
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: really good to have information, and the more information you've

514
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: got you can make better decisions. But to rely just

515
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: on that information for your decision making and not rely

516
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: on the intuitive side and the experiential side of what's

517
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: actually happening, I think the danger there will we're sort

518
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: of the technology becomes between us and our intuition.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't see patients too often these days,

520
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Speaker 1: but when you do, when somebody comes to you as

521
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: a a medical doctor, do you ever put on another

522
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: hat and go I actually think you should go and

523
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: work in the garden, or go for a jog, or

524
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: it's some acupuncture, or you know, play with your puppy

525
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: seven times a day.

526
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Speaker 2: Well, I've been I guess I'm famous for doing that

527
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: for the last thirty years, where I'd write prescriptions, which

528
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: would be going to play with your puppy or draw

529
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: dragons or go dancing. And but what I do is

530
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: actually ask people what do you do that. When you

531
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: do it, you lose track of time. You're so absorbed

532
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: in the activity. You're not worrying about the future, you're

533
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: not feeling guilty about the past. You're just absorbed in

534
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: that activity. And often you you know, some people would

535
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: say I don't have anything like that, and they were

536
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: the really sick ones. And other people woul say, oh, yeah,

537
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: I used to do ballroom dancing, or I used to paint,

538
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: or I used to garden. And you'd inquire and you'd

539
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: see how that their illness actually deteriorated when they stopped

540
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: doing those activities. So I would prescribe. I'd get a script,

541
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: pat out, perhaps I've been seeing patients this morning. Actually

542
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: I get out, and I'd actually write, you know, gardening

543
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: three times a week or no ballroom dancing three times

544
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: a week. I'd say, you know, put this on your fridge.

545
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: This is your prescription. This is what you need to do.

546
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: And it was amazing the change you're getting people. Yes,

547
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: and even when you get people to talk about the

548
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: things they love. Because as a doctor, you know you're

549
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: asking about their pain and you know, travel here and there,

550
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: and how does it come on and off? So you're

551
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: asking people about negative things in their lives. I would

552
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: take a pleasure history. What are the most fun things

553
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: you have in your life? What's your reason for living?

554
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: What are the things you do but you really enjoy?

555
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: And when people start to talk about those things, their

556
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: voice changes, their posture changes. You can see them in

557
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: live and in front of you, just as they're sharing

558
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: with you, you know, the activities that they really enjoyed. And

559
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: that was really powerful to focus on. So I mean,

560
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: one example, I remember I had an old patient who

561
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: was a Vietnam vest. He'd broken everybody bone in his

562
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: body as a paratrooper, and he had this chronic pain

563
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: condition and he was getting pathodene injections and there was

564
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: not even off space in his body to put the

565
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: injections because it was all Frey braised up. But the

566
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: one thing he did with fly remote control aeroplanes. This

567
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: is in the nineteen nineties, and when he was focusing

568
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: on and he was like a strange champion at it.

569
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: But when he was focusing on airplanes. His pain wasn't

570
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: an issue. Wow, But the rest of the time it was.

571
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: So you know, having something that you love to do

572
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and you focus on that, that's actually medicine, and that's

573
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: what i'd prescribe. So yeah, I do that commonly, isn't it?

574
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Do you find it in so probably people listen to

575
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: you and respect you a lot more than they do me.

576
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: But I find it interesting sometimes when people talk to

577
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: you about, you know, if they're flat or they're depressed

578
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: or they're anxious, and we'll talk about doing something that

579
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: is like we spoke about like playing hanging out with

580
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: your animals or being in nature or listening to music

581
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: or meditating, or they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but

582
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: what do you think is xanax? I'm like, well, one,

583
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but two, you know why doren't

584
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: we like are We're a culture that seems to have

585
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: more faith in drugs than I mean, there are so

586
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: many things that can lower your heart rate and lower

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: your blood pressure and reduce anxiety and that that don't

588
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: involve any kind of drug.

589
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: So I've got a poem for this. At the start

590
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: of the pandemic, I was thinking, you know, because I've

591
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 2: studied all these complimentary medicines. I've written all these research

592
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: papers on them, So saying, what are all the activities

593
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: you can do at home with no cost, no training,

594
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: and no equipment that have research evidence that they reduce anxiety,

595
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: improve immunity. And yeah, they've got evidence behind them. So

596
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: I started writing these out and it came and it

597
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: came out of a poem. So this I'm sort of

598
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 2: I'm proud of this potent. It's got fifty activities in it,

599
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: hear it. If you go to my website, you can

600
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: click on each of these activities and it will link

601
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: to the research behind it.

602
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: You know what, We've never in five years and one

603
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: thousand and nearly eleven hundred episodes, never had anyone share

604
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: a pime, So sore. This is the debut for typ pimes.

605
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: And this is a systematic review poem, so evidence based poem.

606
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: I call it the World of Wellness, and it goes

607
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: like this, Hold someone's hand, gaze into their eyes, go

608
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: barefoot in nature, bask in sunrise, choose a dance partner

609
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: and go find your groove, do tich your yoga and

610
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: mindfully move, share a massage, enjoy healing, touch, Focus on

611
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: one thing and don't think too much. Make time for

612
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: a hobby, play chess, fly kite, make use of your hands,

613
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: draw paint so or right. Help someone in need, Donate

614
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: to a cause, play games, meditate, read stuff from bookstores,

615
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: turn off your screens, get a good sleep, beclutter, spark

616
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: joy and love what you keep. Dig around in the garden,

617
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: pick up a guitar, slip into a bathtub, sauna or spa.

618
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: Care for a pet, take up a sport, Go on

619
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: vacation and make your home a resort. Lie in a hammock,

620
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: relief pent up stress, relax and do nothing and then

621
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: do even less. Laugh out loud, share a joke, give

622
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: someone a kiss, say a prayer, chant a mantra, and

623
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: follow your bliss. So that that's pretty amazing. I love that.

624
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: Where can people find that mark on my website? Doctor

625
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: mark dot co, d r M A r C dot

626
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: co and forward slash poems and uh all research backed.

627
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: That's all research back. So each one of those activities

628
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: has a link to the to the systematic review or

629
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: the randomized control trial that that's backing it. And I

630
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: give I think of that that poem to my patience.

631
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: I say, have include as many of these activities in

632
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: your life if you can.

633
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: You know what I laughed is just before when you

634
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: said I've been seeing patients this morning and you held

635
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: up a script pad there, I would think, one because

636
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you're a medical doctor, and two because you're writing. Even

637
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: if it's like go dancing, or even if it's you know,

638
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a day line the floor with your dog,

639
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, or twice a day, but it's on a

640
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: script pad. It's given to me by a doctor. I'm

641
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: much more likely.

642
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: To do it. That's it. You just told me to

643
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: do it. I'm less likely.

644
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: But if you write it out on a on a

645
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: script I feel like, well, shit, this is clinical.

646
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: I've got to do this. That's right, and put it

647
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Speaker 2: on your fridge, you know, the fringe magnet. Yeah, so

648
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Speaker 2: it gives it some authority to do that. Mind you.

649
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Speaker 2: At the moment, I just write scripts on medical cannabis,

650
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Speaker 2: so I don't really write other other scripts. Oh well,

651
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Speaker 2: now you're going to get in undated. I don't need

652
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Speaker 2: more patient. Really.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we've spoken about I reckon

654
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Speaker 1: five times in a thousand episodes.

655
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Speaker 2: I'm interested in your take on it.

656
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Speaker 1: And in fact, Tiff and I spoke about a guy

657
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Speaker 1: that we've both spoken with a bit called Professor Jeffrey

658
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: Reddicker from Harvard who is a researcher and but specializes

659
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: or spends a lot of time and effort researching spontaneous

660
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Speaker 1: healing and plus ebos and all of that. What do

661
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Speaker 1: you think of all that? Where do you sit with

662
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: the you know, our ability to heal ourselves from things

663
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Speaker 1: that apparently are death sentences.

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Speaker 2: Or terminal Yeah, I mean, I believe nature has infinite

665
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Speaker 2: healing power. And I've because I've been in this natural

666
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Speaker 2: medicine world for thirty plus years, I've seen so many

667
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 2: cases of dramatic healing. I mean I'm a good friend

668
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Speaker 2: with Ian Gawler. Yeah, he's a case study of you know,

669
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: he had these canniball lesions in his lungs and the

670
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Speaker 2: bony cancers all the way through his lungs and given

671
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Speaker 2: six weeks to live and what forty years later he's

672
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Speaker 2: still around and you know, transformed his life through you know,

673
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Speaker 2: sort of meditation and you know, lifestyle change. So I've

674
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Speaker 2: seen some really dramatic turnarounds. Yes, And I mean, if

675
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: you have a look what humans are capable of. It's

676
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: mind blowing, you know, some of these amazing YouTube videos

677
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: of what people can do. And now how to turn

678
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Speaker 2: that on? Because one thing to say, Okay, there's these

679
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: examples of it, how do you actually activate it? And

680
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Speaker 2: some of those activities in my poem and those activities,

681
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: but when you move track of time so you're sort

682
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Speaker 2: of at one with the universe, that's there. They're the

683
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Speaker 2: activities that can potentially turn that on. But there is

684
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Speaker 2: no answer of how to know switch that on for everybody,

685
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: and not that you want to. I mean, in Western medicine,

686
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: we see, you know, death as the enemy and you know,

687
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Speaker 2: fight it at all costs. But I've seen people have amazing, beautiful,

688
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: really wanted and welcome death and they were really successful.

689
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Speaker 2: But Western medicine still sees that as a failure a

690
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: deare So Yeah, I think we have incredible power. I mean,

691
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Speaker 2: the whole placebo effect. I mean it's so powerful you

692
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Speaker 2: have to control for it and all these experiments because

693
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Speaker 2: it works. Yeah, it works a lot of the time.

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Speaker 1: What about one of the great challenges, especially twenty twenty three,

695
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Speaker 1: I think its been around forever, really about post pandemic.

696
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation around anxiety. Is anxiety produced

697
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Speaker 1: more by the situation and circumstance or more by the

698
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Speaker 1: individual in the middle of it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, certainly by the individual. And a lot of the

700
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Speaker 2: stuff I've been teaching people now and working on is

701
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Speaker 2: how you can remain really calm and relaxed in the

702
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Speaker 2: midst of a really chaotic and stressful situation. So there's

703
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Speaker 2: things like, you know, I did a two with Bim

704
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Speaker 2: Half and you know, how to teaching people how to

705
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Speaker 2: stay in an ice bath, which is not really comfortable,

706
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Speaker 2: but how do you then relax when you're in an

707
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Speaker 2: ice bath? And the work we did with Lauren actually

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Speaker 2: the Lauren Burns she's a gold mellice in taekwondo and

709
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Speaker 2: she was one of my PhD students, and we investigated

710
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Speaker 2: these world champion athletes who'd be multiple world champions and said,

711
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Speaker 2: how do you stay in the top of the world

712
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Speaker 2: in your sport for so many years? I mean, what

713
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: you eat, what do you think? How do you live?

714
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Speaker 2: And we found out that they all did ice bathing,

715
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Speaker 2: and they did it for the mental health benefits of

716
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Speaker 2: how to relax in a stressful situation, and I think

717
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Speaker 2: that's a really important skill. I mean, yoga gives you

718
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Speaker 2: that skill. When you do a yoga stretch, you sort

719
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Speaker 2: of go to the edge of your stretch, and there's

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Speaker 2: a point that I call the point of forced mindfulness.

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Speaker 2: That's the point where your body says, don't go any further,

722
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Speaker 2: you're going to hurt yourself. You don't stretch any further.

723
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Speaker 2: And if you do stretch, if you try and push

724
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Speaker 2: past that, you're going to tear a muscle and you

725
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: reduce your flexibility. If you just go to that point

726
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: of where you're feeling quite stress and you're at the

727
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 2: edge of your tolerance, and then you practice relaxing and breathing,

728
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Speaker 2: so you're relaxing in that stressful situation. The same thing

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Speaker 2: happens in a sauna or an ice bath. There's a

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Speaker 2: point where your body fis get out, it's too much,

731
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Speaker 2: when you're about to tap out, and at that point,

732
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Speaker 2: if you can just relax and practice being relaxed under stress,

733
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Speaker 2: that builds up your resilience. But if you do that

734
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Speaker 2: what I recommend, and this naturally happens in the open class,

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Speaker 2: so you know you're doing your stretches and you stretch

736
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Speaker 2: one side and the other side, and you go to

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Speaker 2: the point of that no forced mindfulness well being comfortably uncomfortable.

738
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Speaker 2: So you practice being relaxed under stress. But then at

739
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Speaker 2: the end of the class, you go into hvacinating at

740
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Speaker 2: the corpse pose and you do a deep relaxation and

741
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: then you're practicing relaxing while you're relaxed. And when you

742
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: do that, you go much deeper into the relaxation because

743
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Speaker 2: you've stressed yourself earlier, so the contrast between the stress

744
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: and the relaxation is greater. And when you really relax

745
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: deeply like that, all your stress hormones can't fall back

746
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: into balance, your mental activity comes back into balance, and

747
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: you really get in touch with your inner self. That's

748
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: a great time to make decisions if you have to

749
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: have to make an important decision, because you're in touch

750
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Speaker 2: with yourself literally, and it's a really good time to heal.

751
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: That's when your body doesn't healing. So yeah, I really

752
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: encourage people to go to the limits of their stress

753
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: and practical relaxing while they're stressed, but then balance that

754
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Speaker 2: with having a deep relaxation and practicing being relaxed while

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Speaker 2: you're relaxed shout out to Lauren.

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Speaker 1: If Lauren's listening, we love you, your ace and thanks for

757
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: connecting the doc and us. It's much appreciated. Yeah, that's that,

758
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: that equanimity, that calm in the chaos, right, That being

759
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: able to, you know, despite what's going on around, you

760
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: self regulate and.

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Speaker 2: To be able to as much as James Bond effect. Right.

762
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Speaker 2: We love about James Bond because you know, there's all

763
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Speaker 2: these chaos going around, but he knows who to shoot

764
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: and who to kire for to go.

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Speaker 1: Through and you know, yeah, how do I make good

766
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: decisions and do smart things and act and react the

767
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Speaker 1: way that is optimal in the middle of the ship

768
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Speaker 1: that's going that's right, that's going on around.

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Speaker 2: But the way to do it is you create a

770
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Speaker 2: shit best and you practice doing that and then when

771
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Speaker 2: life throws it at you, then you can deal with it.

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Speaker 2: That's so true. Is like we.

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Speaker 1: In fact back to TIFFs. So tif's training for this

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Speaker 1: thing that will remain nameless, but it's going to be

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Speaker 1: horrible potentially. And so I said to her, like the

776
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Speaker 1: other day, I've been getting it to do things that

777
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Speaker 1: a lot of them are fucking horrible and I go,

778
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Speaker 1: you need to be used to horrible because if we

779
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Speaker 1: just get you traditionally fit, you know, that's great, But

780
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Speaker 1: if we're doing it in a methodical, reasonable, comfortable, sensible way,

781
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: when you get in the middle of this thing that

782
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Speaker 1: you're training for where it isn't predictable, it isn't nice,

783
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Speaker 1: it isn't comfortable, it isn't familiar, it's freezing.

784
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Speaker 2: You're in the middle of water. You hear you're there.

785
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Speaker 1: There's all this shit going on that you haven't dealt with.

786
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, for me, even as an exercise physiologist, I

787
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: think it's thirty percent about your body and seventy percent

788
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: about all the other stuff. You know, so me trying

789
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: to get and the same with you know, I've worked

790
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: with lots of professional athletes, and you know, understanding what

791
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: their body needs to be doing to execute what they

792
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: need to do for their sport or task or activity

793
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: is fundamental. But you can get any brilliant, genetically gifted

794
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: athlete who's beautifully trained, but if they can't perform under pressure,

795
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: they're fucked. You can't be a Lauren Burns, no matter

796
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: how great your body or genetics or skill or talent is.

797
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: If you can't go to the Olympic Games and under

798
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: extreme pressure execute, you know. And that's the thing is,

799
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, fit, strong, functional, specifically trained, well nourished,

800
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: well slept, you know, all the all the physiological buttons pushed. Yep, sure,

801
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: but can you deal with shit? Can you do what

802
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: most people would give up on?

803
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: That's where you know, you can recreate a ship storm

804
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: and practice exhibiting a ship storm and then and then

805
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: then you actually feel it that. It builds your physiological resilience.

806
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: It also builds your confidence because when you can do that,

807
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: you feel like you can handle anything. You feel invincible.

808
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's what I really I love teaching people

809
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: that and I do a lot through bathing because bathings.

810
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: Most people think bathing's really comfortable. You know, you go

811
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: to hot springs and your lie in hot water. It's

812
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: really and it is, that's super relaxing and super comfortable.

813
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: But you go into an ice bath and after a

814
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: minute or two you really want to get out, Or

815
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 2: you go into a sauna and after ten, fifteen, twenty

816
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: minutes you really want to get out because your body

817
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: is suffering and dealing with that. And as you've got

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00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: another little poem here. So the last poem was all

819
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: about the chronic things you can do to keep yourself relaxed.

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Speaker 2: So this is in the acute situation, when the ship

821
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Speaker 2: storm is hitting you, there's what you want to do

822
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: is activate your parasympathetic nervous system. Because normally, you know,

823
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Speaker 2: when the ship storm hits, you've got your sympathetic nervous

824
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: system where it's fight and flight, you're up and your

825
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: adrenalines up. But when you're in fight and flight, often

826
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: that's fearful and your brain turns off. In that fight

827
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: and fight, you don't want to think about it. You

828
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: want to act instinctively, so you don't have tiger or

829
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: should I do this or that? But if you can

830
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: calm yourself down, you can make a better decision. And

831
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: there's a way to do that to stimulate your rest

832
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: and digest your parasympathetic nervous system. And there are things

833
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: you can do with your body, very simple things that

834
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: will activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And like all these things,

835
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: the ten hacks to relax, and it's super simple. It's

836
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: touch all your fingers, wiggle your toes, soften your stomach,

837
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: breathe through your nose, thy smile, wallow thing, flutter your eyelids,

838
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: and focus within. Now, all of those activities activate your

839
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: parasympathetic nervous system. And there are all activities you do

840
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: when you're safe in your cave, when you're running away

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00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: from the tiger or fighting a battle.

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Speaker 1: It's so smart that you do that. I mean, it's

843
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: so smart that you you're teaching people, you know, because

844
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: people can memorize that quite easily, and recall that.

845
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: I was teaching to a patient this morning with PTSD

846
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: and anxiety and having panic attacks. And when the panic

847
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: attack comes on, if you've got things you can do

848
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: that give you a sense of control, but they actually

849
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: calm your nervous system. And this is you know the

850
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: you know the power of vagel. You know the Vagel

851
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: theory where you can have sympathetic nervous system high because

852
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: you're in a high adrenaline situation, but then you can

853
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: increase your vagual activity, your parasympathetic so you can still

854
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: be relaxed in that chaotic situation. And that's when you

855
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: make the best decisions. That's when you can get the

856
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: edge over your component, your opponent, and where you for

857
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: much better. So it's how do you stop panicking and

858
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: stay calm when the ship storm hits? And these sort

859
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Speaker 2: of tricks can help.

860
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: So you can be cognitively and physiolog logically optimal at

861
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: the same time. Now, maybe forty percent of my audience,

862
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm guessing do not know who wim Hoff is.

863
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: I do.

864
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, Tiff, you know, of course, don't you. Yep,

865
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: one tell us who he is and tell us what

866
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: you did with him.

867
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: So whims they call him the iceman. So he sort

868
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: of made ice fading quite famous. He has a method

869
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: that involves breathing where you breathe as much as you

870
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: can so hyperventilate and blow off all your carbon dogs

871
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: side and get dizzy and lightheaded and really uncomfortable, and

872
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: then you hold your breath for as long as you can.

873
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: And it just happens when you if you blow off

874
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: all your carbon dox side and then hold your breath,

875
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: you can hold your breath for a long time and

876
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: anyone can do that. And then he also promoted he

877
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: had the world record for many years of the longest

878
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: spent in an ice bath over an hour. He can

879
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: spend in full ice and control his body temperature, and

880
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: then no one could believe that he could train anyone

881
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: else to do that. And they actually tested him. They

882
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: did some research on him where they gave him in

883
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: jet him with the poison around E. Coli. So it's

884
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: it's pretending you've got a blood infection without active bacteria.

885
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: So it's the lipoy protein coat around the bacteria. That's

886
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: what your body reacts to when you've got septasmia or

887
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: blood infection. So they gave that to him and he

888
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: did his breathing, did his thing, and he didn't get

889
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: affected by it at all, and they couldn't believe. And

890
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: he's this amazing charismatic dutch Man who's got a lot

891
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: of bravado and a lot of self confidence. And they said,

892
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, oh yeah, you can do that because you're

893
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: a freak. He goes, no, I can teach anyone to

894
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: do it, And they said, how long you take a

895
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: year of training on? And I take him on the

896
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: weekend and they said, oh yeah, sure, And he did it.

897
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: He took a group of it was about twenty five

898
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: people away in Poland and I think maybe he took

899
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: him for five days or a week and trained him

900
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: on the train them on the breathing, trained them on

901
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: the ice bathing. They did end up walking up a

902
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: mountain in the snow in their in their board shorts,

903
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: and a week later they all tested with the same

904
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: injection of what should have been except to see me,

905
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: which gives you fever and chills and pains for twenty

906
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: four hours, and they were able to do it as well.

907
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: So he has this whim half method, which is the

908
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: breathing and the ice bathing, where he trains people to

909
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: overcome their own sort of body, their own physiology. And

910
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: he came to Australia about five years ago, especially living

911
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: up in NUSA at the moment, I think, and I

912
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: sort of toured with him, giving the lecture on the

913
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: signs behind the whim half method. And it was really

914
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: interesting for me to formula research there because I'd already

915
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: done a lot of research on breathing practices and bathing

916
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: practices and stuff. So I sort of condensed that together.

917
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: And so we went to Brisbane and Sydney in Melbourne

918
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: and we had like five hundred people would come to

919
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: an event and they'd all do two minutes in an

920
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: ice bath. And when you do two minutes on an

921
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: ice bath. You feel amazing when you get out in

922
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: this indorphin rush and you feel really powerful. So they're

923
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: really sort of high vibing events. And so I traveled

924
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: with him. I ended up doing some research which you

925
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: never fully got published, but where we in survey. One

926
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: of my PhD students surveyed about four thousand people doing

927
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: the whim Hoff met and saying, you know, why do

928
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: you do it? What effects do you get? What are

929
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: the benefits? And it was amazing that people get incredible

930
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: benefits from PTSD and anxiety, from depression, and from back

931
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: pain and joint pains and fibromyalgia and chronic pain. They

932
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: were like the big ticket items that people got benefits from.

933
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: And I think it's especially with the anxiety and the PTSD,

934
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: is like when you go into an ice bath, you

935
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: naturally you had to ventilate, and that reproduces the breathing

936
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: pattern and the body chemistry of anxiety of trauma. You know,

937
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: when I was working in emergency departments, you'd have people

938
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: coming into the emergency department thinking they have a heart attack,

939
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: but they're hype of ventilating. They're having a panic attack.

940
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: But it's the same sort of feeling that you're having well,

941
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: you're about to die and having a panic attack, and

942
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: you can simulate that by going to an ice bath.

943
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: But then if you can control your breathing and overcome that,

944
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: it gives you the chance, well, I can overcome this panic.

945
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: And it can be dangerous if you've had really severe

946
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: trauma in the past and you do that to someone unexpected,

947
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: you can reactivate that trauma. But if you do that

948
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: in a very controlled environment where they can get out

949
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: anytime they want, they're in full control of the situation.

950
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: There's a hot bath or a sauna or something that

951
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: can warm up so they're not going to freeze, then

952
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: they can actually reproduce that previous trauma, that panic in

953
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: a way that they're in control of it. And then

954
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: they can overcome and they can control their breath and

955
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: relax their breathing down, and suddenly they've got mastery over

956
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: their own body when they didn't have it before, and

957
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: that could be super powerful. And often when you're doing

958
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: big public events or five hundred people sitting in nice bars,

959
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: you need to watch out for the people who are

960
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: getting triggered by that who and with a bit of coaching,

961
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: pretty much everybody gets through it. But it's a really

962
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: empowering thing for people to do. But you do have

963
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: to be a little bit careful because people are more sensitive.

964
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: To give people that feeling of control over panic, it's

965
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: such a gift to give to people, do you know.

966
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: You know, so I remember hearing about that where he

967
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: was in that hospital and they injected him with that

968
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: whatever it was that made people. Typically it would make

969
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: people really unwell for a period of time, and he

970
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: went give it to me, and they gave it to

971
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: him and he was completely fine and there. Yeah, and

972
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: then he trained all those people that were not handpicked

973
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: by him. I don't think I think they're actually chosen

974
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: by the researchers or whatever.

975
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I hadn't done anything special before. And no,

976
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: just here I can't like.

977
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: What I don't get is why does that not blow

978
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: everyone's socks off. Let's research that. Let's lean into like,

979
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: here's all of these people doing shit that is not

980
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: meant to be possible. Why are we not pushing into that?

981
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: Is it because it.

982
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: Makes no money? There's no money in it? I mean

983
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, He's and now you know all the

984
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: stuff in that poem, I just read. You know, those

985
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: activities don't cost anything, and.

986
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: They don't make money for any organizations, do they.

987
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: That's right, well Studdling, I mean the wellness industry and

988
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: the spa industry in Hot Springs. I mean, yes, pretty

989
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: nice and boring, but it's not it's not really a

990
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: blockbuster drug that you can make a billion dollars or

991
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: you know, many boultiple billions of dollars out of a

992
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: molecule by doing that. These are activities. I mean, so

993
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: for example, I really I've got to I think I

994
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: call the cold water hockey pokey, which is a way

995
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: of so because after the wim Hoff thing and traveling

996
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: in the ice spading, I was going to lectures, you know,

997
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: plays like wing Ghana, which is like this luxury health retreat,

998
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: and I tell people to you know, going to use

999
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: cold water, and most people say, I know, we hate

1000
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: cold water. We can't tolerate it, you know, because people

1001
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: are pretty wimpy generally. So I thought, and you know,

1002
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 2: wim just do it, you know, get in there. And

1003
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: but you know the people who come to whim hoffa then,

1004
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: or the alpha males or the alpha females or you know,

1005
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: the fighters and the martial artists and the footballer, and

1006
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: I was talking to elder women and people who are

1007
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: more sort of relaxed, so there must be a way

1008
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: to do this that's gentle. And I came up with

1009
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: this what I call the cold water hokey pokey, and

1010
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: you can do it at home in the shower. It

1011
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: doesn't cost any money. You see, just basically you start

1012
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: off with a hot shower, and then at the end

1013
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: of your life hot shower, you turn the heat up

1014
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: a little bit so you become a bit uncomfortably hot

1015
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: and a bit flushed. And at that point you stand

1016
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: back and you turn the hot water off and the

1017
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: cold water on. But you just get your left foot.

1018
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: It's okay, you've been really hot, and you put your

1019
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: left foot can handle the cold water, and then you

1020
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: put your left leg in, and you put your right

1021
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: foot and your leg and then your left hand and

1022
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: arm and your other hand and arm. And what that

1023
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: does it constricts the blood in your limbs and sends

1024
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: that hot blood into the core of your body. But

1025
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: you're still feeling okay even though you've got the cold

1026
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 2: water on your limbs. And then you keep breathing calmly

1027
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: and you smile to yourself, because that's what it's all about.

1028
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: How do you stay calm and you have that inn

1029
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: a piece, and then then you take a big breath

1030
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: in and before you put your left side in, you

1031
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 2: start to sigh out. And then you put your left

1032
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: side in, and when the water hits your neck and

1033
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: your sort of upper body. Normally that would when you

1034
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: go oh, it would make you have a big gasp

1035
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: because your blood dessels are close to the surface there,

1036
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: and that gives you that shock. But if you're already

1037
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: going hugh as you do that, you feel the cold,

1038
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: you don't get the shock, so it takes the emotional

1039
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: reaction away from it. So you take a big sigh

1040
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: and you put your left side in, your right side in,

1041
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: your front side in, and you turn yourself around and

1042
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: keeping calmly and smile to yourself because that's what it's

1043
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: all about. And then you put your whole head in

1044
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: and then you move your head around, you know, standstill,

1045
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: get a drenching, slowly, turn yourself around, continue breathing, calmly,

1046
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: smile to yourself. That's what it's all about. And then

1047
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: you can put the cold water on your kidneys when

1048
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: you're growing and on your arm pits, the places where

1049
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: your bloodvessels are close to the surface, chills your body

1050
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: a little bit, and you'll find after doing that, you'll

1051
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: be standing in the cold water and you say, oh,

1052
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: it's all right, I can do this. And at that

1053
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: point you're breathing calmly, you're in the cold water. You

1054
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: get out and you start your day. And it takes

1055
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: about a minute, like literally one minute to do that.

1056
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: And if you do it, you started your day singing

1057
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: and dancing. You come out feeling amazingly alive and invincible.

1058
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: Your hair and your skin improoves because cold water actually

1059
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: is really good for your hair and your skin, and

1060
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: you feel like you can do anything. And the hardest

1061
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: part of that whole thing is the decision to do it.

1062
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't cost any money, it doesn't take any time.

1063
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: I mean, it saves money, you're saving hot water. But

1064
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: that decision to do it is that barrier. But if

1065
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: you can overcome that barrier, that procrastination barrier, that can

1066
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: then have like a rollover effect for the rest of

1067
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: your life. So that difficult conversation you want to you

1068
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: had to have, or that job, that shitty job you

1069
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: really didn't want to do Suddenly, okay, I can just

1070
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: do it, and you just make the decision to do it,

1071
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: and you do it knowing that it's not the best

1072
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Speaker 2: thing to do. You know, it's not the most fun

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Speaker 2: thing to do, but it's actually fun overcoming that hurdle.

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Speaker 1: Once we get fully immersed, Mark, once I'm all in head, yeah,

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Speaker 1: everything pits knackers are how how long do I stay

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Speaker 1: and need to stay under there?

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Speaker 2: Thirty sixty not even just to the point where you're

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00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 2: breathing comfortably, right, so that once you're breathing comfortably, that's

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Speaker 2: the biggest hurdle. Now there is an added benefit if

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00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: you can get to the point where you become shivery, right,

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00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: so at the point of you're not shivering and a

1082
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: chattering but if you're a little bit shivery, then what

1083
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: you've dropped, you've dropped your body temperature, and that does

1084
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: things like activate brown fat, which helps you burn white fat,

1085
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: and that turns on your metabolism, has other benefits. But

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00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: just the benefit of overcoming the cold and showing that

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00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: you can actually overcome a difficult situation and be calm

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Speaker 2: just to the point where you're in the cold breathing calmly.

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Speaker 2: That's all you need at that point, You're good to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you know what today's activity is, don't you? Hi, Mark,

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00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: You're amazing. We know you've got another podcast coming up.

1092
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: How do people find you? Follow you, connect with you,

1093
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: read your poems and learn more.

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00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: About you and your work. So my website is doctor

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: Mark Dr M A r C dot Co. I post

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00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: a bit on Facebook and on LinkedIn. I'm not really

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00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I need to up my social media, but yeah,

1098
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: on my website of Facebook or LinkedIn the main sort

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: of avenues, they can email me info I n FO

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00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: at doctor Mark dot Co. They can email me for

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00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: people you know want to communicate with me at all. Yeah,

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00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: and I'm upgrading my website. But all my poems and

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00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 2: stuff are there at the moment, and they're all three

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy to share.

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Speaker 1: Well, we would love to have you back because you're

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Speaker 1: a killer, But we'll say goodbye. We'll say goodbye off

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Speaker 1: air in a moment, but for the minute, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for come and have a chat with us on

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Speaker 1: typ We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I've been a pleasure, Craig, and I'm good luck with

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Speaker 2: your training teast sounds like you can be doing. Thank you, Mark.

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Speaker 2: It'd be rude for me to have a favorite on

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Speaker 2: typ but I think I just have one. I think

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Speaker 2: Mark's just Yeah, you're amazing. I love that. Well, I've

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Speaker 2: got more poems I can share next time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stay there, mate, we'll say goodbye. Thanks everyone. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got lots of things to action, because that was

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Speaker 1: fantastic