WEBVTT - They called it an accident, it was murder: Kathleen Kirby Pt.1 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:06.840 Detective see a side of life. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.040 The average person is never exposed her I spent thirty 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.680 four years as a cop. For twenty five of those 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.200 years I was catching killers. That's what I did for 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.600 a living. I was a homicide detective. I'm no longer 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.759 just interviewing bad guys. Instead, I'm taking the public into 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.560 the world in which I operated. The guests I talk 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.159 to each week have amazing stories from all sides of 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.840 the law. The interviews are raw and honest, just like 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.320 the people I talk to. Some of the content and 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.400 language might be confronting. That's because no one who comes 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.800 into contact with crime is left unchanged. Join me now, 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:47.400 as I take you into this world. We're doing something 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.400 a little different. This week, I was contacted by Kathleen Kirby. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.880 Kathleen is the mother of Audrey Griffin, a nine erene 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.080 year old girl who was murdered on the central coast 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.960 of New South Wales by Adrian Torrance on the third 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.960 of March. Earlier this year, Audrey had been out celebrating 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.000 her exciting new career news with friends, and she had 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.080 a whole life ahead of her, but that same night, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:15.000 Torrence was out on bail facing numerous unrelated domestic violence charges. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.720 He was a complete stranger to Audrey. For this episode, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.800 we've traveled up to Gosford, which is about now north 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.720 of Sydney, to take a deeper look at Audrey's case 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:42.200 and talk to Audrey's mother, Kathleen. I'm standing out the 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.199 front of Gossip Hotel. This is in the main street 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.160 of Gosford. This was where Audrey Griffin was last seen alive. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.680 It was about two am on Sunday morning, the twenty 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.520 third of March twenty twenty five. She was going from 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.680 this location to stay at a friend's place. It was 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.200 about five to six kilometers away, but she never made it. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.600 From an investigating point of view, this is a crucial location. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.320 It was the last time that Audrey's friends saw her alive. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.720 She's found deceased approximately fourteen hours later. As you can see, 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.800 there's a lot of CCTV cameras around here. This is 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.880 not unusual for a licensed premises and this would be 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.120 a starting point for a police investigation into finding out 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:36.680 what happened to Audrey Griffin. It is our understanding she 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.919 was trying to get home to stay at a friend's place 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.200 at the green Point, which is probably at I guess 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:48.400 eight kilometers from this location. Like a lot of people 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.520 that have been out late at night on the Central Coast, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.000 it's always difficult to get home. Taxis are hard to 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.600 come by, ubers are hard to come by. Invariably people 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.359 start walking along the mainstream and looking for a taxi. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.800 It's believed by Audrey's friends that's what she was doing 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.360 and the reason she walked along this path. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.160 So what we're doing now. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.919 Is effectively tracking the path that we believe Audrey would 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.919 have been walking whilst heading home to stay at the 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.359 friend's place at green Point. You can see this as 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.560 main Street. This is the main street and I think 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.720 it's even called main street at Gosford. There's a lot 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.640 of businesses along here. These are the type of businesses 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.560 that might keep a CCTV footage. So from an investigative 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.360 point of view, if you're trying to establish what path 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.839 a person took, you'd be checking these premises to see 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.200 if there was any CCTV footage to see if Audrey 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:53.640 was walking along this road. We're now driving past Gosford 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.840 Police Station that you can see on the left. That's 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:00.680 the actual command that was investigating Audrey's death. They'd be 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.240 very familiar with this area and familiar with the fact 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.640 that young people will find it hard to get home 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.720 at night, and the likelihood that Audrey would be walking 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:15.160 along along the road we're traveling on now. There's a 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.480 few quiet locations like this, but this is still near 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.479 the center of the Gosford CBD, so I think even 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.960 a young female would be feeling safe walking along along 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:32.320 this area. We're now coming into the area where Audrey 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.479 was murdered. You can see there's a creek, or it's 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.400 referred to as there in a creek, it's more like 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.559 a river. It's fairly substantial. We're driving on a main 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.320 road and there's a pathway that runs between the main 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:50.839 road and the creek. This is a pathway that Audrey 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:56.160 was walking along at the time that she came across Torrance, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:02.039 the person who killed her. I'm just indicating to the 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:08.600 location in which Audrey was murdered. So we'll just pull up. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.920 We're standing at the location Audrey Griffin's body was found. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.640 She's found in the face down in the creek. There's 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:32.080 a big a set up with photos. There's flowers, lots 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:37.400 and lots of photos of Audrey and the friends, some 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:45.640 clothing hung, all sorts of things, even lights, flowers, stuffed toys, candles, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.400 a whole range of things with Audrey's name written. One 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.080 thing that really stands out to me with a memorial 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.480 like this it's clearly just been set up by friends 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.120 of Audrey's, is how popular she must have been. How 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.320 many photos full of life photos there are, just as 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.559 her mum described as someone that was full of life. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.120 And that just makes me sad standing here at the 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:14.320 location thinking, just one man's rage has stolen a young 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:19.920 girl's life. Just such a senseless, senseless killing. I'm going 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.080 to describe the location then just give him the thoughts 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.520 on how you'd approach this from an investigative point of view. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:31.160 We know Audrey was last seen alive at Hotel Gosford 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.679 about two am, where she's been out celebrating with her friends. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.560 I'm just walking along the pathway where Tyrans would have 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.040 been following Audrey. We know he at first was behind her, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:47.440 possibly a kilometer back. This particular location is near where 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.839 Audrey was murdered. And what stands out to me here 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.320 if I'm looking back along the roadway. There there's not 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.359 a lot of trees separating between the roadway and the 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.440 pathway that Audrey would have been walking along. Just here 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.600 there's a clump of trees and there's a couple of 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.360 electrical boxes. I think that might make a difference if 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.520 he was going to strike, and I'm trying to anticipate 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.080 what's going through his mind, but there is a bit 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.280 of cover here for him. If this is where he 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.760 actually approached Audrey, we don't know what conversation has had, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.760 what exactly happened, but there is a bit of distance 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.640 between the roadway and the pathway where that might have 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:31.040 been the reason he chose this particular location to approach Audrey. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.200 It is quite chilling to think what she went through, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.600 and she had a whole life ahead of her, and 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.160 it just breaks my heart and it makes me angry 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.720 that a person like Torran's, just an angry, violent, waste 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.440 of space human being, has taken someone's life like Audrey's, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.040 who had so much to offer the world. Another bit 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:00.000 of I suppose sadness that's attached to attach this life 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.800 is the fact that it was Audrey's friends. Young Girls 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.840 nineteen year old girls that found Audrey found their friend. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.080 They were so concerned about her, they went and started 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.840 looking around here along with another family friend and our 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.200 older friend came down here, found some of the property 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.800 and searched a bit further and then found her flooding 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.520 the water, deceased. So I can only imagine the trauma 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:33.200 their carrying. This is a fairly isolated location, isolated in 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.560 the early hours of the morning. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.600 It's not a dangerous location. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.120 It's not a location where you think someone would actually 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.120 trip and fall into the water. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.080 So there's a number of concerns. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.760 If you find the person's body, young girl nineteen years 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.880 old out celebrating and find her deceased in this river, 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.320 of course you're going to investigate it as suspicious. A 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.599 couple of things that really strike me about this location 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.400 and the initial police search was it was a matter 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.760 of days I believed before they found her phone. If 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.199 someone did, let's talk hypothetically, trip and fall into the water, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.320 extremely unlikely. One would expect you'd find all the property 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.400 that she had on her at the time with her. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.520 Her phone wasn't with her. They didn't find her phone, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.440 So just from that point of view, I think the 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.640 matter should be treated as suspicious. You're looking at unnatural causes. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.360 You start a homicide investigation, you treat it as potentially suspicious. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.000 One thing that I was taught as a young detective 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:43.440 was never assume something is misadventure or natural causes unless 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.400 you can gather the evidence to prove that. From what 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.200 I see at this location, you can't gather evidence to 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.320 prove that it was a misadventure. There was an assumption 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.120 made that this was misadventure. As it turned out, it 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.640 was a cold blooded murder. And the way that phone 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.240 was found is also a little concerning in that it 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.240 was a friend, a family friend of Audrey's mother's friend, Lana, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.400 found the phone. Audrey's mother, Kathleen, was told that the 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.160 location had been searched on numerous occasions, but apparently only 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.320 when the tide was high. Lana came down here three 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.280 days later and found the phone. She could see something 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.719 sticking out. She contacted police, well pick it up and 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.920 bring it to the police station. Thankfully that Lana was 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.719 a little bit more cluey on that and spoke to 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.320 another police officer and they sent police down immediately to 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.000 collect the phone and gather it as potential evidence. If 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.240 Lana was to pick up the phone, potentially it could 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.400 have been contaminated. There potentially could have been DNA or 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.600 fingerprints or some evidence trace material on the phone from 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.280 the offender. Another thing that's quite chilling about this crime 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.920 scene is when Kathleen describes going to see Audrey in 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.280 the post more than to say a goodbyes, as she said, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:03.920 which is very sad, that what really haunts her is 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:09.120 the fact that Audrey didn't look at peace. She had 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.280 her hair were platted, but she had mud and dirt 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.679 in a hair. And something that really struck home with 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.680 Kathleen that Audrey's fingernails had mud under there under the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.040 fingernails light she was struggling like she was fighting, and 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:30.080 I think that's something that really haunt haunts Kathleen. The 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:35.760 other thing about it, which I find quite alarming, DNA 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:41.040 from the offender, Torreans, was found under Audrey's fingernails. That 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.120 would be one of the first things you're looking for 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.720 when you're looking at a post more than a deceased person. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.360 In these situations. If you take the camera up here 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.800 and you look across the creek to the river, there's 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.160 houses up there, houses that I think should be canvas, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.760 and by canvas I mean daw not to find out 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.840 if anyone heard anything suspicious. It's fairly noisy here now 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.880 because of the traffic, but at two o'clock in the morning, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.760 it's probably not so noisy. As it turned out, one 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.600 of the people in the houses across there heard a 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:20.360 female screaming at about two forty five. Sadly it was 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:25.040 most likely Audrey fighting for her life. That evidence was 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:30.520 uncovered by Kathleen, Audrey's mother. That shouldn't happen. These are 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.920 the type of things that need to be done, all 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:34.840 the canvases that need to be done. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:35.840 A nineteen year. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:40.719 Old girl, fit, healthy, active, happy girl was found to 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.440 cease in the water. This is something that should have 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.920 been treated suspiciously right from the start. And I think 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.360 the frustration with the family, and this is a sense 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.560 I get speaking to the family, is that how was 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.120 it written off as misadventure so early in the investigation. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.080 That might have been the conclusion they came to after 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.640 a thorough investigation, but so early in the investigation for 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.280 it to be written off as a misadventure. I don't 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.120 know if it's miscommunication between the police and the family, 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:09.960 but it's something. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:21.760 That we might try and find out. I sat down 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:22.920 with Kathleen. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.280 For a very raw and unfiltered chat to shed light 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.280 on the impact of this senseless crime and the investigation 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:42.400 that followed. You're right at the start, absolutely okay. I 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:47.000 can't really start this conversation without offering my condolences for 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.000 what happened to Audrey. And I know words don't mean 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.280 a great deal the subject that we're talking about here, 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:59.240 but thank you. It's now been how long since Audrey 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.320 was murd To. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.959 Be honest, I don't know. Twenty third of March was 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:05.880 when she passed. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:12.600 I would imagine your life changed inconceivably since that time. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.200 I wouldn't say I have a life anymore. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.120 It's a heavy thing to say. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.520 I don't know. It's just I don't know if it's 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:31.720 a real numbness, just numb myself by keeping myself extremely busy, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:40.360 find it very hard to be alone, to sit still. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:48.720 I'd say that I haven't accepted or given myself time 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:49.880 to agree for Audrey. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.360 Yeah, you've had a lot a lot going on, and 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.120 I know we've met on occasions and had a lot 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:02.760 of conversations and see the way the emotions. Yeah, sometimes 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.200 when I'm speaking to you, I feel like, Okay, it's 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.040 a step forward, and other times it feels like a 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:08.560 step back, step back for it. 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:17.080 Oh, absolutely, look at I'd say that the reason why 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.120 I'm still standing is because of the support that i 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:28.200 have from family, friends, Lana. There's not a minute that 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.720 of the day that there's not someone here or that 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:37.640 I can't call on. Every day is a roller coaster. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.280 I feel like I'm just existing and not living. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:46.120 Yeah, there's I see and you reference Lana and not 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.320 just what Lana's doing, but a lot of friends. It 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.800 looks like they've formed a circle around you and very 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:51.520 protective of you. 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:52.400 Absolutely. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.240 Yeah, Yeah, it's nice, isn't it. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.960 Oh, I don't know. Like, as I said, look for 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.800 my family, it's extremely hard because I'm not sure if 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.320 you're aware that we lost my dad two weeks after Audrey, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.800 and my dad was ninety two, so my mum's not 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.640 aware that they were aware that she passed away. But 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:22.080 because of the delay and them telling me that it 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.680 was a misadventure, dad had passed in that time, and 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.280 then we found out that she'd had been murdered, and 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.760 mums in her nineties as well, so she was very fragile. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.840 So I decided that this was something that I didn't 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.640 want to address with my mum. So it's been extremely 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.040 hard promoting everything in regards to getting the support from 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:49.120 the community and everyone to find some justice in move 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.640 forward in regards to what's happened here. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.800 When we talk about justice, and you and I have 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:01.920 had long conversations about how I could offer some advice 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.560 or point you in the direction, and when you first 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.080 spoke to me, and when I first saw the story 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.359 of Audrey, I had concerns from the start when it 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.720 started hitting the media, but a little bit later than 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:16.960 probably what it should have been. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:24.159 It's just appalling, it's appalling. And that were the words 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.280 exactly what I said to Yasmine Yates when. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.560 She turned up the police minister. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.840 Yes, when she turned up at the ritual. Once we've known, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:38.080 once we've been informed what had happened to Audrey, and 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.399 I'd had an interview with sixty minutes that day, and 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.240 when I was interviewed, and when I spoke to Yasmine 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.320 and she said, look, she wasn't aware and that she 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.600 was her condolence, and I said to her, look, I'm 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.719 not here to get the police on the on the 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.880 on the back fold, you know I'm here. I want support, 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.120 I want just so, I want to find out the story. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.280 I want justice for Audrey, my daughter was more than this. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.560 I said to her then, look that I'd been interviewed 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.840 by sixty minutes, and that at any of that time 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.960 that I was interviewed, I'd rubbished anybody. I just needed 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.160 the story to be out for us to be able 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:27.320 to move forward and get some answers. I'd explained to 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.160 her that I hadn't done anything wrong in regards to 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.359 the police, but I did say to her that it 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.160 was appalling, and she said to me straight away, can 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.640 we organize a meeting, which we did. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.320 We're going to break down in the podcast what exactly 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:50.080 happened and what you had to do to make sure 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.080 that the police were doing their job. I think is 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:58.200 probably an appropriate way to say that before you agreed 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.440 to do the podcast, you said you want to get answers, 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.000 you want to find out what's happened and why things 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.400 have happened. You also said to me that I will 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.560 do a podcast with you if you challenge me. You said, 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.719 I will do a podcast with you if you're honest 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.840 in your opinion about whether the police had done the 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.040 right thing or not done the right thing. So that's 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.840 the premise of what this podcast is going to be about. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.400 We want to hear your story. We want to talk 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.560 about Audrey, because audrey life should not be forgotten. And 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.159 I just see your reference what happened at Terrrigle, the 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.800 amount of people that turned up, and I get the 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.639 sense that Audrey touched the lot of lives. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:51.320 Look, she was always she is an amazing child, and 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.080 she's always been an amazing child. She was strong, she 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.160 was independent, she was driven, she was a go getter, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:04.760 she was happy, she she loved life. She was a 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:09.560 beautiful human being. She you know, what she had achieved 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:15.320 in nineteen years is just and her friends, we're just 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:20.359 everyone's just blown away. Like everyone's it's still unfolding. People 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:25.240 are constantly always learning. And myself of all her achievements, 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.520 all the letters that she sent out to people in 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.080 you know, condolence and helping and supporting and loving, and 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.240 you know, just the other day, I ran into a 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.200 lady from Central Coast Sports College that said she didn't 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.040 know Audrey, but she was going into the office to 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.920 speak to one of the ladies, and when she opened 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.920 the diary there's a letter from Audrey. You know, there's 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:51.360 all there's signs everywhere. There's signs everywhere and every day. UTS. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.040 She had such an impact that they've come back to me. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.639 They've sent me a letter saying that they're going to 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:03.960 honor her a Bachelor of Business and Economics and that 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.720 she achieved so highly and she was such a beautiful 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.919 student that they're honoring her with a degree on the 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.720 fifth of November at UTS and her father and I 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:21.120 and friends who are welcome to come along. And that's 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:25.080 just one you know, from the outside reaching in and 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:32.400 yet you know, these are the people that keep me standing. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.760 Like you know, the Sharks who she played for Interegle, 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:43.520 they've got a shield called Audrey Griffin that they're using 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:48.200 as a best player that they're going to give continuously 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.160 every year. So she's got this legacy everywhere. 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.280 Well she and the sense that I get she really 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.399 she lived life like the Sharks that was playing rugby 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.200 league and she. 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:02.840 Played for UTS the Bats. 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.880 You were at AFL doing triathlons. 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.960 She did to one athlete in Newcastle. Then she did. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.840 That was our last trip together four weeks prior to 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:20.800 her passing, where she asked me to come along to 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.199 New Zealand to do an iman, which she didn't train for. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.439 She's just an amazing When she put her head to something, 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.840 she just did it. You know, as on arrival, you know, 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:31.760 we turn up there and she's got blisters all over 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.480 her feet just before she has to do a twenty 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:39.359 one kilometer run, one point nine swim, and a ninety 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:44.639 k bike ride. And then we had just an amazing 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:49.120 trip where she opened up and said to me that 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.920 you know how she just loved Trevor and I so much, 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.800 and how grateful parents we were, and how lucky she 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.240 was that she had us as parents, and I was 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.959 so lucky to that time with her. And then she 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.000 arrives home and the next day she flies out to 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.760 Japan to go skiing with one of her UNI friends 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.879 for two weeks and then comes home that day. And 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:16.280 that was the day after that. She got up in 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:17.960 the morning and she said, Mom, I'm going to the 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.200 Central Coast And I said, no, you're not. We're organizing 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.359 this massive party for you. Because she was going into 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:28.480 the Navy on the seventh of April, and I said, no, 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.160 you need to organize. You've organized this seven man ban 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.639 and I need to know who's coming. And she said, no, 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.480 I've got to go up the coast and see my friends, 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.560 because she'd been away for four weeks, and I'd actually 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.920 said to her, look, you know your father's, your grandfather 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.719 sick in hospital. He's out in Blacktown. You need to 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.520 put family first. Anyway, she walked out the door as 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.160 teenagers do and didn't say much. And later that afternoon 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.560 I get a photo of her with my dad and 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.920 then a photo where she'd gone and taken my mum, 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.720 who's ninety years of age, out for lunch and took 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.080 a photo. And my last words were to her was 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.640 I love you, my babe. You do me proud. And 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.359 then she come to the Central Coasts, caught up with friends. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.800 Didn't plan on having a night, she just wanted to 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.439 catch up. But then obviously been away for four weeks 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.280 living in Sydney, she hadn't seen everybody and was excited 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:22.399 and started off at the Terrygool Hotel with her friends 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.439 and then decided to go to the Gospel Hotel. 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:33.760 I'd see your face light up when you're talking about 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.320 those memories, like what. 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.600 Child at nineteen has achieved. You know, she's done Europe 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:45.400 when she graduated from YU twelve a couple of weeks later, 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.520 jumped on a plane by herself and went to Thailand 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:52.399 and did a tracking for two weeks by herself. You know, 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.639 she had a car list. She learned how to drive 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.240 in a tip up truck, her manual tip up truck. 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:02.360 She learned how to drive with me in a v 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.920 doub multi van driving back and forward to Byron because 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:06.439 that was our thing. We used to do a lot 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:10.719 of trips to Byron. She had a motorbike license, she 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:12.800 had a jet ski license, she had a you know, 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.480 she had all these license. I do markets, or I 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.560 was doing markets, and I was at Bondai and she's 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.280 living with a dad at the time, while she was 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.960 at uts and I'm sitting at Bondau markets and here 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:30.359 comes Audrey with her leather jacket and her helmet in 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:35.040 her hands, walking towards me, and I went, oh, my goodness, 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.440 you didn't just ride that bike which is too big 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.760 for her, all the way from Mattreville to Bondai by yourself. 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:44.880