WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 7 August 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.160 From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Burray Live. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.039 Thank you, Sherry, thank you so much for watching. 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:09.840 What a big show we have for you tonight, Meegan 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.240 Kelly on the big decisions out of the United States 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.560 and the dingdong that we know you love, which is 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:15.960 broadly Bishop stevehn Conroy. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:17.920 Lots to get into, so let's get to it right 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.360 now now. Of course, lots of happy faces in and 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:21.280 around the Olympics. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.239 Shortly we will go to Paris to find out the 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.600 latest on the kid who is currently behind bars. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.400 We'll get to that in a moment or two stime. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.000 But there is an expectation, by the way that the 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.519 previous ticket tape parades and all the rest of it 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.400 that have previously been there for Olympic and now increasingly 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.600 important Paralympic athletes, well, that is going to happen. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:40.960 Now. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.000 It won't happen immediately after the Paris Games. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.440 Instead, they're going to wait for the Paralympics to finish, 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.120 was confirmed today by the News of Wiles premiere. Around 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:52.000 September thirteenth is when there'll be some sort of an event, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.720 be a ticket tape parade or just welcome home party. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.760 In the park whatever that'll take place there around the 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:58.760 middle of September. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:00.000 Melbourne. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.520 Nicholas Reese, the Lord mayor there, has also made a 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.400 decision that the council will help fund what is going 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.320 to be taking place in that city. No doubt Brisbane 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.560 will get involved. Now, whether there will be one athlete 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.319 there or not, we'll all have to work out together. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.640 But as you know, the news this evening is that 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.199 an Australian hockey player, after finishing up at the Games, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.800 decided to have a night on the tiles where he 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.000 apparently tried to purchase cocaine. Instead, police swooped and he 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.600 has spent the night in jail. The Great Matt Cunningham 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.959 joins us now, of course normally from Darwin. But what 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.120 a difference the city of Light is compared to the 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.800 city of well spectacular sunsets. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:37.479 But here we go. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.759 You're out in the front of the clink, this kid, 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.680 Tom Craig, I say, kid, but twenty eight tell us 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:43.679 the latest that you know? 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.280 Well, I can tell you he's in custody here at 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.600 police headquarters. We're at this building now here in Paris. Paul. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.880 He's been here since about midnight last night. When he 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.640 was arrested by French police over allegations that he tried 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.360 to purchase cocaine. Person he tried to purchase those drugs 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.559 from also has been arrested. This is not a great 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.400 look for the Australian or the Australian Olympic team at 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.079 the moment. We are expecting that he will come out 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.440 at some time this afternoon Paris time. It's about one 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.280 o'clock in the afternoon here now and. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.000 He is expected to give a short statement. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.519 We're also expected to hear from Animeir's, the Chef de 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.000 Micheon of the Australian team later this afternoon Paris time. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:29.280 Paul. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.360 It will be interesting to see what sort of penalty 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.120 is imposed. There is the possibility that he may just 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.440 be fine. Paris in twenty twenty or France in twenty 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.040 twenty enacted new laws that meant that for a drug 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.079 possession fine for a small amount of drugs, the potential 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.280 penalty is just a fine of two hundred euros that 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.919 can be reduced to just one hundred and fifty euros 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:52.919 if it's paid early. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:54.120 So there is the. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.640 Potential that it might just be a small slap on 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.520 the risk for the Australian hockey player at Tom Craig, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.880 but he's probably having not the best time at the 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.360 moment inside this police building here in Paris. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.960 Yeah, so the expectation is that will at the very 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.320 least see him, as you say, whether we hear or not, 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.160 his choice, lawyer's choices, all the rest of it. The 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.920 chef de Michon you can't hide, has to talk about 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:16.720 all of these things. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.320 But interestingly, apparently one. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.799 Of the as you say, the person on the other 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.200 side of this, the dealer, was also brought in. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.200 The suggestions of what I'm reading here in. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.560 The local press is that he was caught with seventy 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.040 five ecstasy pills seven vials of cocaine. He was also arrested, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.400 So one would imagine that we well, either he leaves 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.040 the police station a lot later, but at the very 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.600 least he's in a much bigger world of trouble than 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:42.160 the athlete. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.160 Yeah, I'd say the expectation is that he will be 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.920 in a lot more trouble than the Australian who is 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.840 likely facing just a possession charge. From the reports we've seen, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.360 he was found in possession of about one gram of 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.280 cocaine so that would be at the lower end of 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.960 the scale. But the person who was caught allegedly trying 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.320 to sell him the drugs, I think it was a 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.880 nineteen year old man. He may be in a far 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.320 bit more trouble. It's been an interesting Olympic Games, I've 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.720 got to say, Paul. There's been no shortage of stories, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.440 from issues about the vegan focus at the athletes village, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:21.440 to all of the controversy around the boxer Iman Khalif 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.960 and another Taiwanese boxer, a Lee lu Ting, who failed 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.440 agender eligibility tests last year according to the International Boxing Association, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.120 but have been allowed to compete here in Paris. There've 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.960 been no shortage of headlines and we're certainly getting another 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.920 one here today with this Australian hockey player and custody 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.040 here at police headquarters. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.119 Have you got your hands on one of those cardboard beds, 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.000 because I think that we'll pay the extra haulage for 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.320 you to get that back to Darwin. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:52.120 No, not yet, mate, I'll do my best to see 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.480 what I can. I've seen a few videos coming out 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.400 of the athletes village. I saw one of the athletes 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.760 trying to test one out just to prove what was 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.280 actually capable on one of those cardboard beds. A little 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.760 bit of controversy about whether it could actually be used, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.800 but no, I haven't got my hands on one of them. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:06.120 All right. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.000 I think it'll make a great YouTube video and we 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.720 always love the content at sky News dot com dot 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:10.320 I you thank you mate. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.360 We'll talk to you again a bit later. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.320 The best of the business, Matt Cunningham are normally in Darwin, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.479 but in Paris right now covering the latest about what 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.760 is happening, which is very much off the field. So 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.640 let's get back to the news and here in Australia, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.920 which of course is always centered around things like cost 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.560 of living. Now today I wanted to talk about this 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:35.520 because there is an extraordinary example of where things are 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.760 hurting the most in the country. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:38.080 Now. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.279 We remember that towards the end of last year, Poles 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.440 told us eighty percent of people didn't think that the 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.200 government was doing enough of a job. And we know 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.240 that the Prime Minister, always thinking about cost of living, 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.240 was doing so on the internet last night when talking 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.040 with Olympians. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:55.880 Yeah, just secured to metal. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.760 So I'm about to fight on Thursday to change the color. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.159 Awesome so yeah, you're in the semis I am yes. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.960 So no woman's ever won a boxing medal be force, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:07.720 I've secured that. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.400 So to the early morning for you, so out. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:10.360 To set your alarm. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.320 Oh look, we're been getting up very early. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:13.520 Here. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.120 You can see my little friend here. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:22.799 Ah, that's Toto. When they're more excited about the dog 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.640 than the prime minister they're talking to, you're probably not 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.359 winning the fight. But of course DJ Elbow's got that 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.359 special connection with the kids. So even though he knows 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.960 that the majority of the country doesn't approve of the 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.760 way he's handling this issue, and certainly his own prime 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.480 ministership check every poll, including even the ones in the Guardian, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.200 this message came up today on social media. Now it 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.839 is such a clever little reference to remember those compilation 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.360 albums you may well have got way back when, well 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.719 then the compilation album was replaced with the compilation CD 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.640 in the nineties and the early two thousands, and now 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.039 he's put out rather than so fresh. It's so helpful 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.599 with all the reference to how they're helping right now 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:02.479 with cost of living. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:04.400 Oh my goodness me. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.520 As for the reality check, we got that yet again 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.040 from the Reserve Bank yesterday Michelle Bullock made it clear 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.800 that nothing's changing for the next six months or so, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.880 and even greater detail came today via a Senate inquiry 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.040 where the Assistant Governor Sarah Hunter made it very clear 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.800 that there are different parts of the country that are 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.600 feeling it in different fashions. In fact, on Wednesday she 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.720 said that economic conditions were varied across the country that 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.880 we are aware for some people right now it's really tough, 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.280 thanks scoop, thank you doctor. Not all sectors are experiencing 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:40.960 the same at the moment. She goes on to say, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.080 Victoria is really struggling right now as one of the 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.640 relative underperformers, Tasmania as well, but equally places like Queensland, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.840 Western Australia and even South Australia doing slightly better now. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.040 Of course meeting New South Wales is somewhere in between. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.280 And of course if that is bog average, well we 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.440 know that that's been trouble, not just for the past year, 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.640 the past two years, in fact the entirety of the 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.200 time the government has been in office. More data when 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.040 it comes to housing, this is particularly frightening. Data that 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.120 was around today now as I've told you over the 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.840 past couple of days, the average Australian mortgage has gone up. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.560 It's gone up by fifty six thousand dollars. That's the 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.400 overall mortgage. Yes, that means that for many the repayments 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.520 have gone up. I've slightly misinterpreted when I mentioned that 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.160 in greatest specificity earlier in the week. But the key 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.160 factor is that the national average of the mortgage has 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.200 gone up by fifty six thousand dollars, meaning of course 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.440 more people borrowing more money and therefore having to repay 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.120 even more of it at higher rates. But I just 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.320 wanted to be clear about that. Meantime, the number of 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.200 people that are seeking financial help from people like the 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.480 Salvos in part because of the cost of paying off 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.840 their homes, which has gone up twelve times since this 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.560 government came to power. Nothing to see here, but the 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.720 Salvation Army did a survey of fifteen hundred people. A 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.080 third of those people who reached out to the Salvo's 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.120 Doorway financial Relief service in the past twelve months were 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.400 behind on home loan repayments or their lease commitments. Nearly 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.360 half of those were two weeks in arrears. When it 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:13.000 comes to rent or three quarters were four weeks behind, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.360 meaning a full housing repayment. The survey, which has been 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.480 timed for Homelessness Week, also found that more than a 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.959 thousand of the fifteen hundred people that were surveyed were 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.360 in what's called housing stress. This is when you are 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.680 paying more than thirty percent to pay off a home 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.680 thirty percent of the money that is coming in. Oh 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.600 but we were really clever today with the internet bringing 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.199 up a CD from twenty years ago. Meantime, a bit 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.520 more information about the types of things people are doing 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.560 if they're not working now. Obviously, the extreme majority of Australians, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.720 millions of them have a job. A very significant number 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.840 of Australians have a job that doesn't pay them as 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.000 much as they want. But even more importantly, there's about 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.520 a million people who end up having to have. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:58.320 A second job. 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.480 There's also a bunch of people who have a job 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.560 but they would like to work more hours, but they're 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.360 unable to work more hours. But often we talk about 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.960 a cohort of people in Australia who may well be 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.920 on things like benefits from Centerlink, who put simply are 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:13.800 not working now. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.359 Interestingly, again, Bureau. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.880 Of statistics, that far right wing think tank decided to 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.400 give us an insight into one point three million people 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.520 aged between eighteen all the way to seventy five about 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:30.880 why they don't want a paid job. Now, amazingly, of 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.520 this whole group, one point one million people are apparently 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:36.600 available to start work in. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.959 The next four weeks, but the overall. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.640 Sort of missing two hundred thousand who just don't want 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.079 one well or wouldn't be able to start one in 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.319 the next four weeks. One of the reasons for this 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.200 when it comes to women, it says that the job 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.840 they weren't available for a job if one came up 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.160 in the next four weeks because they're quote caring for 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.240 children forty one percent, long term health condition or a 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.959 disability twelve percent of these people or nine percent of 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.320 people who are caring for ill, disabled or elderly. Now, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.520 I have, for as long as I've had access to 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.960 this TV camera and this microphone and the chance to 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.520 chat to you, which is the greatest honor of my 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:19.439 professional life, talked about careers. This country is being held 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.680 together and being saved billions of dollars by the number 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.120 of people who are taking care for someone They love, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.400 which is saving the system money. Now I believe that 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:35.280 things like the care's pension are grossly, grossly underserving these 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.240 people and these populations because very obviously, while their financial 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.400 circumstances might be that they would like to work, you're 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.520 seeing here that nine percent of people who are unable 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:46.920 to take up a job in the next four weeks 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.720 are doing so because they are careers. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.160 Whether you be male, female, young. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.280 Old, be your partner, your child, a friend, or anyone else. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.360 If you are a career in this country, I want 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.760 to say, we see you, and we thank you. And 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.040 the person whom you take care of well, their life 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.520 is oh so special because you. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:06.800 Are the one taking care of them. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:08.560 When it came to men. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.680 Who weren't available for a job if one came up. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.600 In the next four weeks, again, twenty six percent say 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.760 that a long term health condition or a disability, or 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.120 four percent say caring for children. So again an insight 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.360 into it times the gendered nature where the majority of 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.679 those that are caring are female. Now, yes, there will 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.160 be many men that are care as as well. I 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.079 repeat strength and love to all of you and what 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.599 you do for our country as well as for the 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.839 people you are taking care of It means the world 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:35.199 to us. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.280 Thank you. Now. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.280 When it comes to this Prime Minister and the ministers 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.080 that are around him, there are plenty of examples of hypocrisy. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.280 But rather than using the same word that are so 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.760 many do, I like to use a little term called 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.880 each way albow. And a perfect example of that would 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.720 be his constant refrain that his government would be more 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.439 transparent than the evil government before him. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.360 Honest and transparent. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.679 A government going forward who will make it transparent. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.920 We're being transparent. We will operate in a transparent way. Transparent, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.080 we're being transparent. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.600 Now again, in the gradient of language, we can go 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.120 liar as the most obvious one. But people feel a 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.120 little uncomfortable if you call the Prime Minister that. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.880 So if he's a hypocritical people are okay with that. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.880 The one that plenty can agree on is each way elbow, 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:29.440 where clearly says one thing does another says one thing 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.199 says the opposite, And a perfect example when it comes 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.320 to transparency. Transparency transparency is the way that his government 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.480 deals with people before they produce legislation to go through 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:45.920 the parliament. When interest groups are brought towards the minister 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.559 or towards senior public servants, they are asked to sign 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.840 an NDA, a non disclosure agreement, meaning that they are 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.200 not even able, some of these people to be able 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.600 to go back to their own organizations to say what 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.199 the government is actually planning. Now, all of this is 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.320 about media management, because of course there is something worse 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.040 for a government than watching how the sausage is being made. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.440 So they've just literally made it a potential crime for 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.120 you to be able to go into the room, have 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.760 a briefing with the government, come out and say, hey, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.440 have you heard what they're planning to do? And of 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.200 course if you disagree with what they're planning to do, 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.840 whether you might be able to whip up some opposition 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.640 get a media campaign. But of course all of this, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.400 in the most transparent government of all time, is off 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:30.000 the table. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:31.080 Now. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.560 It have been people who have confronted the government about 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.440 this in Canberra and she deserves much credit for this. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.200 And the she I mentioned is Senator Paul and Hansen 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.400 who talked about this very practice in the Senate. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.640 Why is a prime mister failing to enforce this principle 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:52.000 deliberately withholding draft legislation from public scrutiny and requiring non 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:58.320 disclosure agreements be signed before stakeholders can scrutinize these proposed laws. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.640 We've done this many times, not on pieces of legislation 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.760 that really were going to affect the stock market. Instead, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.480 this was stuff to just make sure they could get 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.240 as many people into the room as possible to tell 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.280 them what they're doing, rather than negotiate what they are doing. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.080 Chris Powen has done this many times in the past, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.720 but most recently, of course, it was all of the 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.520 people representing the auto industry as they turned around and 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.640 introduced things like the UTAX and the pollution taxes. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.480 Previously there have been groups. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.480 Like the Greens which are negotiating legislation in the Parliament, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.600 or disability groups who had to sign NDA's as well 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.240 when it came to the disability system. Well, today, same story, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.280 but a slightly different reaction, and I want to say 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.560 well done to the people who are saying no to 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:47.480 this practice. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:48.200 Now. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.680 I may disagree with them on many of their solutions 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.560 to the problem gambling problem, but the government is currently 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:57.360 talking about changes to the amount of advertising of sports 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.480 betting or gambling that you can see on television now, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.000 as you know, there were plenty who say all of this. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.320 Should be wiped away. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.000 There's also quite a reasonable position, which is mine, which 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.800 is it's a legal product, therefore you should be able 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.240 to advertise it short not during kids time, and sure 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.560 not in and overtop over the top fashion, because let's 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:21.320 be honest, unlike the two publicly funded broadcasters that we 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.720 have in the country, revenue must come from somewhere and 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.440 this is a form of advertising. But of course there 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.600 are those who only watch the public broadcaster who think that, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.480 of course the commercial sector should wither and die because 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.360 it's competition for them, and if they can make sure 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.520 that things like banning gambling ads hurries that up, well, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.960 two birds, one stone. But the anti gambling movement has said, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.120 we're not signing the NBA. We want to continue to 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.640 negotiate with you to work out what's going on, but 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.960 we're not signing the piece of paper. In fact, the 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.440 Alliance for Gambling Reform was among several organizations on Monday 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.240 that received an invitation to a government briefing. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.400 Attached to the government briefing. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:04.119 Is a twelve page non disclosure agreement, a legally binding 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.200 document to keep the information confidential, repeat, not one. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.240 Page, not a couple of life twelve. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.360 Tim Costello, brother of the former Treasurer, well known as 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.960 of course, a man who is very much against particularly 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.720 things like poker machines. He told the Guardian, how can 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.080 we sign something on an issue. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:24.000 That's already in the press. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.440 We're very happy to be briefed, but no, we will 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.320 not be signing a non disclosure agreement. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:29.640 Good. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.240 I've been working in gambling reform for thirty years. Never 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.320 once have I been asked to sign a non disclosure agreement. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.040 Good Again. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:42.480 The myth of transparency, the myth of consultation, the reality 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.679 take it or leave it. And because we're the government 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.439 and we can regulate you or we give you money 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.240 when it comes to funding, everyone, well they roll over 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.879 and they play dead. Now in the media thing that 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.720 he was referring to with some reporting in the past 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.960 couple of days over in the Channel nine newspapers which 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.199 showed that apparently the government's decision is going to be 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.119 not to get rid of gambling ads on television, instead 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.719 to limit the number of them that you see on TV, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.520 online or radio. The chief executive of the Alliance of 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.840 Gambling before Martin Thomas. He also spoke to the Guardian 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.680 about this, saying, we're a very small organization and try 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.359 to get the legal and try to get the legal 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.639 advice to determine whether we're able to speak out or 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.920 not on the issues that are in the public interest 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:30.000 at short notice is difficult. So he too has decided 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.479 he won't be signing the NDA now. The way that 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.280 this government works in particular is that they know the 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.119 extreme majority of the government of the press gallery, i 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.240 should say, is on side now normally, as we have 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.440 seen on many issues, many times, if the Camber Press 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.160 Gallery decides to play Camber Colombo or turn process into 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.919 scandal about who knew what and when and why a 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.399 government is doing this or not doing that, while they 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.320 can turn it into something that goes on for weeks 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.359 and weeks, potentially gets rid of a minister, potentially brings 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:05.119 down a government. But their absolute lack of curiosity or 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.840 lack of pressure on the government, when every time they 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.080 are dealing with a negotiation about the legislation that they 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.320