Speaker 1: From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Burray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sherry, thank you so much for watching.
Speaker 3: What a big show we have for you tonight, Meegan
Speaker 3: Kelly on the big decisions out of the United States
Speaker 3: and the dingdong that we know you love, which is
Speaker 3: broadly Bishop stevehn Conroy.
Speaker 4: Lots to get into, so let's get to it right
Speaker 4: now now. Of course, lots of happy faces in and
Speaker 4: around the Olympics.
Speaker 3: Shortly we will go to Paris to find out the
Speaker 3: latest on the kid who is currently behind bars.
Speaker 4: We'll get to that in a moment or two stime.
Speaker 3: But there is an expectation, by the way that the
Speaker 3: previous ticket tape parades and all the rest of it
Speaker 3: that have previously been there for Olympic and now increasingly
Speaker 3: important Paralympic athletes, well, that is going to happen.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: It won't happen immediately after the Paris Games.
Speaker 3: Instead, they're going to wait for the Paralympics to finish,
Speaker 3: was confirmed today by the News of Wiles premiere. Around
Speaker 3: September thirteenth is when there'll be some sort of an event,
Speaker 3: be a ticket tape parade or just welcome home party.
Speaker 3: In the park whatever that'll take place there around the
Speaker 3: middle of September.
Speaker 2: Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Nicholas Reese, the Lord mayor there, has also made a
Speaker 3: decision that the council will help fund what is going
Speaker 3: to be taking place in that city. No doubt Brisbane
Speaker 3: will get involved. Now, whether there will be one athlete
Speaker 3: there or not, we'll all have to work out together.
Speaker 3: But as you know, the news this evening is that
Speaker 3: an Australian hockey player, after finishing up at the Games,
Speaker 3: decided to have a night on the tiles where he
Speaker 3: apparently tried to purchase cocaine. Instead, police swooped and he
Speaker 3: has spent the night in jail. The Great Matt Cunningham
Speaker 3: joins us now, of course normally from Darwin. But what
Speaker 3: a difference the city of Light is compared to the
Speaker 3: city of well spectacular sunsets.
Speaker 4: But here we go.
Speaker 3: You're out in the front of the clink, this kid,
Speaker 3: Tom Craig, I say, kid, but twenty eight tell us
Speaker 3: the latest that you know?
Speaker 6: Well, I can tell you he's in custody here at
Speaker 6: police headquarters. We're at this building now here in Paris. Paul.
Speaker 6: He's been here since about midnight last night. When he
Speaker 6: was arrested by French police over allegations that he tried
Speaker 6: to purchase cocaine. Person he tried to purchase those drugs
Speaker 6: from also has been arrested. This is not a great
Speaker 6: look for the Australian or the Australian Olympic team at
Speaker 6: the moment. We are expecting that he will come out
Speaker 6: at some time this afternoon Paris time. It's about one
Speaker 6: o'clock in the afternoon here now and.
Speaker 4: He is expected to give a short statement.
Speaker 6: We're also expected to hear from Animeir's, the Chef de
Speaker 6: Micheon of the Australian team later this afternoon Paris time.
Speaker 2: Paul.
Speaker 6: It will be interesting to see what sort of penalty
Speaker 6: is imposed. There is the possibility that he may just
Speaker 6: be fine. Paris in twenty twenty or France in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty enacted new laws that meant that for a drug
Speaker 6: possession fine for a small amount of drugs, the potential
Speaker 6: penalty is just a fine of two hundred euros that
Speaker 6: can be reduced to just one hundred and fifty euros
Speaker 6: if it's paid early.
Speaker 4: So there is the.
Speaker 6: Potential that it might just be a small slap on
Speaker 6: the risk for the Australian hockey player at Tom Craig,
Speaker 6: but he's probably having not the best time at the
Speaker 6: moment inside this police building here in Paris.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the expectation is that will at the very
Speaker 3: least see him, as you say, whether we hear or not,
Speaker 3: his choice, lawyer's choices, all the rest of it. The
Speaker 3: chef de Michon you can't hide, has to talk about
Speaker 3: all of these things.
Speaker 4: But interestingly, apparently one.
Speaker 3: Of the as you say, the person on the other
Speaker 3: side of this, the dealer, was also brought in.
Speaker 4: The suggestions of what I'm reading here in.
Speaker 3: The local press is that he was caught with seventy
Speaker 3: five ecstasy pills seven vials of cocaine. He was also arrested,
Speaker 3: So one would imagine that we well, either he leaves
Speaker 3: the police station a lot later, but at the very
Speaker 3: least he's in a much bigger world of trouble than
Speaker 3: the athlete.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd say the expectation is that he will be
Speaker 6: in a lot more trouble than the Australian who is
Speaker 6: likely facing just a possession charge. From the reports we've seen,
Speaker 6: he was found in possession of about one gram of
Speaker 6: cocaine so that would be at the lower end of
Speaker 6: the scale. But the person who was caught allegedly trying
Speaker 6: to sell him the drugs, I think it was a
Speaker 6: nineteen year old man. He may be in a far
Speaker 6: bit more trouble. It's been an interesting Olympic Games, I've
Speaker 6: got to say, Paul. There's been no shortage of stories,
Speaker 6: from issues about the vegan focus at the athletes village,
Speaker 6: to all of the controversy around the boxer Iman Khalif
Speaker 6: and another Taiwanese boxer, a Lee lu Ting, who failed
Speaker 6: agender eligibility tests last year according to the International Boxing Association,
Speaker 6: but have been allowed to compete here in Paris. There've
Speaker 6: been no shortage of headlines and we're certainly getting another
Speaker 6: one here today with this Australian hockey player and custody
Speaker 6: here at police headquarters.
Speaker 3: Have you got your hands on one of those cardboard beds,
Speaker 3: because I think that we'll pay the extra haulage for
Speaker 3: you to get that back to Darwin.
Speaker 6: No, not yet, mate, I'll do my best to see
Speaker 6: what I can. I've seen a few videos coming out
Speaker 6: of the athletes village. I saw one of the athletes
Speaker 6: trying to test one out just to prove what was
Speaker 6: actually capable on one of those cardboard beds. A little
Speaker 6: bit of controversy about whether it could actually be used,
Speaker 6: but no, I haven't got my hands on one of them.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: I think it'll make a great YouTube video and we
Speaker 3: always love the content at sky News dot com dot
Speaker 3: I you thank you mate.
Speaker 4: We'll talk to you again a bit later.
Speaker 3: The best of the business, Matt Cunningham are normally in Darwin,
Speaker 3: but in Paris right now covering the latest about what
Speaker 3: is happening, which is very much off the field. So
Speaker 3: let's get back to the news and here in Australia,
Speaker 3: which of course is always centered around things like cost
Speaker 3: of living. Now today I wanted to talk about this
Speaker 3: because there is an extraordinary example of where things are
Speaker 3: hurting the most in the country.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: We remember that towards the end of last year, Poles
Speaker 3: told us eighty percent of people didn't think that the
Speaker 3: government was doing enough of a job. And we know
Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister, always thinking about cost of living,
Speaker 3: was doing so on the internet last night when talking
Speaker 3: with Olympians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just secured to metal.
Speaker 5: So I'm about to fight on Thursday to change the color.
Speaker 6: Awesome so yeah, you're in the semis I am yes.
Speaker 4: So no woman's ever won a boxing medal be force,
Speaker 4: I've secured that.
Speaker 1: So to the early morning for you, so out.
Speaker 7: To set your alarm.
Speaker 1: Oh look, we're been getting up very early.
Speaker 8: Here.
Speaker 2: You can see my little friend here.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's Toto. When they're more excited about the dog
Speaker 3: than the prime minister they're talking to, you're probably not
Speaker 3: winning the fight. But of course DJ Elbow's got that
Speaker 3: special connection with the kids. So even though he knows
Speaker 3: that the majority of the country doesn't approve of the
Speaker 3: way he's handling this issue, and certainly his own prime
Speaker 3: ministership check every poll, including even the ones in the Guardian,
Speaker 3: this message came up today on social media. Now it
Speaker 3: is such a clever little reference to remember those compilation
Speaker 3: albums you may well have got way back when, well
Speaker 3: then the compilation album was replaced with the compilation CD
Speaker 3: in the nineties and the early two thousands, and now
Speaker 3: he's put out rather than so fresh. It's so helpful
Speaker 3: with all the reference to how they're helping right now
Speaker 3: with cost of living.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness me.
Speaker 3: As for the reality check, we got that yet again
Speaker 3: from the Reserve Bank yesterday Michelle Bullock made it clear
Speaker 3: that nothing's changing for the next six months or so,
Speaker 3: and even greater detail came today via a Senate inquiry
Speaker 3: where the Assistant Governor Sarah Hunter made it very clear
Speaker 3: that there are different parts of the country that are
Speaker 3: feeling it in different fashions. In fact, on Wednesday she
Speaker 3: said that economic conditions were varied across the country that
Speaker 3: we are aware for some people right now it's really tough,
Speaker 3: thanks scoop, thank you doctor. Not all sectors are experiencing
Speaker 3: the same at the moment. She goes on to say,
Speaker 3: Victoria is really struggling right now as one of the
Speaker 3: relative underperformers, Tasmania as well, but equally places like Queensland,
Speaker 3: Western Australia and even South Australia doing slightly better now.
Speaker 3: Of course meeting New South Wales is somewhere in between.
Speaker 3: And of course if that is bog average, well we
Speaker 3: know that that's been trouble, not just for the past year,
Speaker 3: the past two years, in fact the entirety of the
Speaker 3: time the government has been in office. More data when
Speaker 3: it comes to housing, this is particularly frightening. Data that
Speaker 3: was around today now as I've told you over the
Speaker 3: past couple of days, the average Australian mortgage has gone up.
Speaker 3: It's gone up by fifty six thousand dollars. That's the
Speaker 3: overall mortgage. Yes, that means that for many the repayments
Speaker 3: have gone up. I've slightly misinterpreted when I mentioned that
Speaker 3: in greatest specificity earlier in the week. But the key
Speaker 3: factor is that the national average of the mortgage has
Speaker 3: gone up by fifty six thousand dollars, meaning of course
Speaker 3: more people borrowing more money and therefore having to repay
Speaker 3: even more of it at higher rates. But I just
Speaker 3: wanted to be clear about that. Meantime, the number of
Speaker 3: people that are seeking financial help from people like the
Speaker 3: Salvos in part because of the cost of paying off
Speaker 3: their homes, which has gone up twelve times since this
Speaker 3: government came to power. Nothing to see here, but the
Speaker 3: Salvation Army did a survey of fifteen hundred people. A
Speaker 3: third of those people who reached out to the Salvo's
Speaker 3: Doorway financial Relief service in the past twelve months were
Speaker 3: behind on home loan repayments or their lease commitments. Nearly
Speaker 3: half of those were two weeks in arrears. When it
Speaker 3: comes to rent or three quarters were four weeks behind,
Speaker 3: meaning a full housing repayment. The survey, which has been
Speaker 3: timed for Homelessness Week, also found that more than a
Speaker 3: thousand of the fifteen hundred people that were surveyed were
Speaker 3: in what's called housing stress. This is when you are
Speaker 3: paying more than thirty percent to pay off a home
Speaker 3: thirty percent of the money that is coming in. Oh
Speaker 3: but we were really clever today with the internet bringing
Speaker 3: up a CD from twenty years ago. Meantime, a bit
Speaker 3: more information about the types of things people are doing
Speaker 3: if they're not working now. Obviously, the extreme majority of Australians,
Speaker 3: millions of them have a job. A very significant number
Speaker 3: of Australians have a job that doesn't pay them as
Speaker 3: much as they want. But even more importantly, there's about
Speaker 3: a million people who end up having to have.
Speaker 2: A second job.
Speaker 3: There's also a bunch of people who have a job
Speaker 3: but they would like to work more hours, but they're
Speaker 3: unable to work more hours. But often we talk about
Speaker 3: a cohort of people in Australia who may well be
Speaker 3: on things like benefits from Centerlink, who put simply are
Speaker 3: not working now.
Speaker 4: Interestingly, again, Bureau.
Speaker 3: Of statistics, that far right wing think tank decided to
Speaker 3: give us an insight into one point three million people
Speaker 3: aged between eighteen all the way to seventy five about
Speaker 3: why they don't want a paid job. Now, amazingly, of
Speaker 3: this whole group, one point one million people are apparently
Speaker 3: available to start work in.
Speaker 4: The next four weeks, but the overall.
Speaker 3: Sort of missing two hundred thousand who just don't want
Speaker 3: one well or wouldn't be able to start one in
Speaker 3: the next four weeks. One of the reasons for this
Speaker 3: when it comes to women, it says that the job
Speaker 3: they weren't available for a job if one came up
Speaker 3: in the next four weeks because they're quote caring for
Speaker 3: children forty one percent, long term health condition or a
Speaker 3: disability twelve percent of these people or nine percent of
Speaker 3: people who are caring for ill, disabled or elderly. Now,
Speaker 3: I have, for as long as I've had access to
Speaker 3: this TV camera and this microphone and the chance to
Speaker 3: chat to you, which is the greatest honor of my
Speaker 3: professional life, talked about careers. This country is being held
Speaker 3: together and being saved billions of dollars by the number
Speaker 3: of people who are taking care for someone They love,
Speaker 3: which is saving the system money. Now I believe that
Speaker 3: things like the care's pension are grossly, grossly underserving these
Speaker 3: people and these populations because very obviously, while their financial
Speaker 3: circumstances might be that they would like to work, you're
Speaker 3: seeing here that nine percent of people who are unable
Speaker 3: to take up a job in the next four weeks
Speaker 3: are doing so because they are careers.
Speaker 4: Whether you be male, female, young.
Speaker 3: Old, be your partner, your child, a friend, or anyone else.
Speaker 3: If you are a career in this country, I want
Speaker 3: to say, we see you, and we thank you. And
Speaker 3: the person whom you take care of well, their life
Speaker 3: is oh so special because you.
Speaker 4: Are the one taking care of them.
Speaker 2: When it came to men.
Speaker 4: Who weren't available for a job if one came up.
Speaker 3: In the next four weeks, again, twenty six percent say
Speaker 3: that a long term health condition or a disability, or
Speaker 3: four percent say caring for children. So again an insight
Speaker 3: into it times the gendered nature where the majority of
Speaker 3: those that are caring are female. Now, yes, there will
Speaker 3: be many men that are care as as well. I
Speaker 3: repeat strength and love to all of you and what
Speaker 3: you do for our country as well as for the
Speaker 3: people you are taking care of It means the world
Speaker 3: to us.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Now.
Speaker 3: When it comes to this Prime Minister and the ministers
Speaker 3: that are around him, there are plenty of examples of hypocrisy.
Speaker 3: But rather than using the same word that are so
Speaker 3: many do, I like to use a little term called
Speaker 3: each way albow. And a perfect example of that would
Speaker 3: be his constant refrain that his government would be more
Speaker 3: transparent than the evil government before him.
Speaker 2: Honest and transparent.
Speaker 6: A government going forward who will make it transparent.
Speaker 1: We're being transparent. We will operate in a transparent way. Transparent,
Speaker 1: we're being transparent.
Speaker 3: Now again, in the gradient of language, we can go
Speaker 3: liar as the most obvious one. But people feel a
Speaker 3: little uncomfortable if you call the Prime Minister that.
Speaker 4: So if he's a hypocritical people are okay with that.
Speaker 3: The one that plenty can agree on is each way elbow,
Speaker 3: where clearly says one thing does another says one thing
Speaker 3: says the opposite, And a perfect example when it comes
Speaker 3: to transparency. Transparency transparency is the way that his government
Speaker 3: deals with people before they produce legislation to go through
Speaker 3: the parliament. When interest groups are brought towards the minister
Speaker 3: or towards senior public servants, they are asked to sign
Speaker 3: an NDA, a non disclosure agreement, meaning that they are
Speaker 3: not even able, some of these people to be able
Speaker 3: to go back to their own organizations to say what
Speaker 3: the government is actually planning. Now, all of this is
Speaker 3: about media management, because of course there is something worse
Speaker 3: for a government than watching how the sausage is being made.
Speaker 3: So they've just literally made it a potential crime for
Speaker 3: you to be able to go into the room, have
Speaker 3: a briefing with the government, come out and say, hey,
Speaker 3: have you heard what they're planning to do? And of
Speaker 3: course if you disagree with what they're planning to do,
Speaker 3: whether you might be able to whip up some opposition
Speaker 3: get a media campaign. But of course all of this,
Speaker 3: in the most transparent government of all time, is off
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: It have been people who have confronted the government about
Speaker 3: this in Canberra and she deserves much credit for this.
Speaker 3: And the she I mentioned is Senator Paul and Hansen
Speaker 3: who talked about this very practice in the Senate.
Speaker 9: Why is a prime mister failing to enforce this principle
Speaker 9: deliberately withholding draft legislation from public scrutiny and requiring non
Speaker 9: disclosure agreements be signed before stakeholders can scrutinize these proposed laws.
Speaker 3: We've done this many times, not on pieces of legislation
Speaker 3: that really were going to affect the stock market. Instead,
Speaker 3: this was stuff to just make sure they could get
Speaker 3: as many people into the room as possible to tell
Speaker 3: them what they're doing, rather than negotiate what they are doing.
Speaker 3: Chris Powen has done this many times in the past,
Speaker 3: but most recently, of course, it was all of the
Speaker 3: people representing the auto industry as they turned around and
Speaker 3: introduced things like the UTAX and the pollution taxes.
Speaker 2: Previously there have been groups.
Speaker 3: Like the Greens which are negotiating legislation in the Parliament,
Speaker 3: or disability groups who had to sign NDA's as well
Speaker 3: when it came to the disability system. Well, today, same story,
Speaker 3: but a slightly different reaction, and I want to say
Speaker 3: well done to the people who are saying no to
Speaker 3: this practice.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I may disagree with them on many of their solutions
Speaker 3: to the problem gambling problem, but the government is currently
Speaker 3: talking about changes to the amount of advertising of sports
Speaker 3: betting or gambling that you can see on television now,
Speaker 3: as you know, there were plenty who say all of this.
Speaker 2: Should be wiped away.
Speaker 3: There's also quite a reasonable position, which is mine, which
Speaker 3: is it's a legal product, therefore you should be able
Speaker 3: to advertise it short not during kids time, and sure
Speaker 3: not in and overtop over the top fashion, because let's
Speaker 3: be honest, unlike the two publicly funded broadcasters that we
Speaker 3: have in the country, revenue must come from somewhere and
Speaker 3: this is a form of advertising. But of course there
Speaker 3: are those who only watch the public broadcaster who think that,
Speaker 3: of course the commercial sector should wither and die because
Speaker 3: it's competition for them, and if they can make sure
Speaker 3: that things like banning gambling ads hurries that up, well,
Speaker 3: two birds, one stone. But the anti gambling movement has said,
Speaker 3: we're not signing the NBA. We want to continue to
Speaker 3: negotiate with you to work out what's going on, but
Speaker 3: we're not signing the piece of paper. In fact, the
Speaker 3: Alliance for Gambling Reform was among several organizations on Monday
Speaker 3: that received an invitation to a government briefing.
Speaker 2: Attached to the government briefing.
Speaker 3: Is a twelve page non disclosure agreement, a legally binding
Speaker 3: document to keep the information confidential, repeat, not one.
Speaker 2: Page, not a couple of life twelve.
Speaker 3: Tim Costello, brother of the former Treasurer, well known as
Speaker 3: of course, a man who is very much against particularly
Speaker 3: things like poker machines. He told the Guardian, how can
Speaker 3: we sign something on an issue.
Speaker 2: That's already in the press.
Speaker 3: We're very happy to be briefed, but no, we will
Speaker 3: not be signing a non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 3: I've been working in gambling reform for thirty years. Never
Speaker 3: once have I been asked to sign a non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 4: Good Again.
Speaker 3: The myth of transparency, the myth of consultation, the reality
Speaker 3: take it or leave it. And because we're the government
Speaker 3: and we can regulate you or we give you money
Speaker 3: when it comes to funding, everyone, well they roll over
Speaker 3: and they play dead. Now in the media thing that
Speaker 3: he was referring to with some reporting in the past
Speaker 3: couple of days over in the Channel nine newspapers which
Speaker 3: showed that apparently the government's decision is going to be
Speaker 3: not to get rid of gambling ads on television, instead
Speaker 3: to limit the number of them that you see on TV,
Speaker 3: online or radio. The chief executive of the Alliance of
Speaker 3: Gambling before Martin Thomas. He also spoke to the Guardian
Speaker 3: about this, saying, we're a very small organization and try
Speaker 3: to get the legal and try to get the legal
Speaker 3: advice to determine whether we're able to speak out or
Speaker 3: not on the issues that are in the public interest
Speaker 3: at short notice is difficult. So he too has decided
Speaker 3: he won't be signing the NDA now. The way that
Speaker 3: this government works in particular is that they know the
Speaker 3: extreme majority of the government of the press gallery, i
Speaker 3: should say, is on side now normally, as we have
Speaker 3: seen on many issues, many times, if the Camber Press
Speaker 3: Gallery decides to play Camber Colombo or turn process into
Speaker 3: scandal about who knew what and when and why a
Speaker 3: government is doing this or not doing that, while they
Speaker 3: can turn it into something that goes on for weeks
Speaker 3: and weeks, potentially gets rid of a minister, potentially brings
Speaker 3: down a government. But their absolute lack of curiosity or
Speaker 3: lack of pressure on the government, when every time they
Speaker 3: are dealing with a negotiation about the legislation that they
Speaker 3: will write that they will put through the Parliament, they
Speaker 3: are telling anyone who helps write that legislation, anyone who
Speaker 3: uses their expertise in an industry or a non government
Speaker 3: to turn around and say, I reckon the bar should
Speaker 3: be this high.
Speaker 2: No, maybe that high.
Speaker 3: No, instead take it or leave it, And I repeat.
Speaker 3: The reason people sign this is so that they can
Speaker 3: keep staying in the room, because if you're a lobbyist,
Speaker 3: that's the reason.
Speaker 4: For your job existing.
Speaker 3: If you're the person in government relations again, your reason
Speaker 3: for existing. If you get cut off by the government, well,
Speaker 3: then of course there's no purpose for you and the
Speaker 3: way that you make money. So the government again is
Speaker 3: take it or leave it. But everyone else has to
Speaker 3: shut up until the public finally gets told what was
Speaker 3: negotiated with everyone else. But we never really know what
Speaker 3: was negotiat because people sign a non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 4: What was that word he promised again?
Speaker 3: But been transparent. Now, another little thing that is being
Speaker 3: negotiated as we speak is about electoral reform. Now, before
Speaker 3: you fall asleep, this matters why because it's the entire system.
Speaker 3: It's the system by which we get to choose the
Speaker 3: people who then go on to write the laws. Now,
Speaker 3: of course, the most inconvenient thing for politicians is to
Speaker 3: have to deal with the public. But elections are the
Speaker 3: opportunity where of course that must take place. Now we've
Speaker 3: seen this government has already got efforts to try to
Speaker 3: censor the Internet, and we also know that what happens
Speaker 3: in and around the election campaign can help determine what
Speaker 3: the result may be. Now, Don Farrell, when he's not
Speaker 3: handing out trade jobs to former senators, yes, he did
Speaker 3: that despite the fact that of course there was a
Speaker 3: fully qualify female candidate who of course was denied the job,
Speaker 3: yet had to train the former senator. A one term
Speaker 3: senator because he was the mate of Don Farrell is
Speaker 3: also the person who has responsibility as the Minister of
Speaker 3: State over our election system. Now he has already told
Speaker 3: us that one of his dreams and plans and partial
Speaker 3: negotiations is he would like to increase the number of
Speaker 3: senators that represent the Act or the Northern Territory. Now,
Speaker 3: for two reasons this would be the case. One, when
Speaker 3: it comes to the Act, it would of course mean
Speaker 3: far more left wing senators, meaning that even when the
Speaker 3: Labor Party wasn't the government, there would be no path
Speaker 3: for a conservative government to actually get something past. And secondly,
Speaker 3: the ability of course for factional people to decide more
Speaker 3: spots and more prizes to hand out. And if there's
Speaker 3: ever a leadership contest you've got an extra vote, then
Speaker 3: you may well need to flip a leader, you know,
Speaker 3: not that he's ever thought about that before, But today
Speaker 3: ABC well done to their reporting, they were able to
Speaker 3: actually follow some of the bouncing ball here about what
Speaker 3: is going to happen when it comes to financial parts
Speaker 3: of our electoral system. Now, obviously most of the left,
Speaker 3: represented of course by the Green's voters over there at
Speaker 3: the ABC, well, they're very fascinated by who gives money
Speaker 3: to the elected representatives, who gives money to the parties.
Speaker 3: Now they have said that apparently what is about to
Speaker 3: be negotiated is there will be an a media disclosure
Speaker 3: of anything over one thousand dollars criminal penalties if you
Speaker 3: do not do so. Great, cool okay, computer says okay
Speaker 3: to that, Why because well, of course we should know
Speaker 3: whose handing money towards our political parties or independence. But
Speaker 3: it's the second bit that's worth talking about. The ABC
Speaker 3: understands the expenditure cap will be somewhere below one million
Speaker 3: dollars per seat, but the donations cap is yet to
Speaker 3: be finalized. Now, I have you silly, but it is
Speaker 3: important to talk about that when a political party of
Speaker 3: any stripe decides you can only spend this much money
Speaker 3: to unseat us. Well, of course, the party with more
Speaker 3: seats ends up with more money to be able to
Speaker 3: spend at an election across a broader series of things
Speaker 3: and thus be able to repel challenges. But equally, one
Speaker 3: of the reasons why a cap on spending may well
Speaker 3: have a rocky path through the Parliament is because, of course,
Speaker 3: the Teals have loved the idea of people who just
Speaker 3: hate the Liberal Party as well as yes, people who
Speaker 3: would like to change in their own local communities, being
Speaker 3: able to send them money, much of it under one
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, but the collective amount, well, it's plenty to
Speaker 3: be able to clearly outspend everyone else in the market.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Not to mention, of course, unions are considered independent in
Speaker 3: this process, despite the fact that they are literally part
Speaker 3: of the constitution of the Labor Party. A Labor MP
Speaker 3: or senator must be a member of a union when
Speaker 3: it comes to these laws, they are magically independent. So
Speaker 3: the Labor Party in any one seat, even if the
Speaker 3: maximum is one hundred thousand dollars that anyone candidate can spend.
Speaker 3: The reality is once the unions get involved, that's two
Speaker 3: dollars for every one dollar. Everyone else is limited to spending.
Speaker 3: And of course it's not just one union, you see,
Speaker 3: each and every different union is independent, so you don't just.
Speaker 2: Have a two dollars three dollars, four dollars five dollar.
Speaker 3: In places like Queensland, where there's more than twenty unions unions,
Speaker 3: you could end up with a twenty to one capacity
Speaker 3: to outspend anyone who wants to challenge you. But again,
Speaker 3: for the Teals, they like a system when you can
Speaker 3: outspend everyone else, so they'll probably find a way to
Speaker 3: get this through. Kate Cheney, for her part, today was
Speaker 3: on the ABC explaining why she thinks that nothing really
Speaker 3: should change apart from the automatic declaration about donors, but
Speaker 3: about being able to pile your money higher than the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party, No.
Speaker 4: That shouldn't change at all.
Speaker 10: There are all sorts of ways that parties can get
Speaker 10: around these caps, like paying for statewide TV ads out
Speaker 10: of unwinnable seats, or senators spending money in seats that
Speaker 10: benefit MPPs. At a fundamental level, if ten thousand people
Speaker 10: gave one hundred dollars each. Why should you not be
Speaker 10: allowed to spend that money? That feels like democracy?
Speaker 3: Now, you know, my background was in radio, so I
Speaker 3: am always keen to talk about achievement that happens in radio.
Speaker 3: You know how big a fan I am of Kyle
Speaker 3: and Jackie O and how often they are able to
Speaker 3: get more than a million listeners on any one day.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously I also want to celebrate and congratulate people
Speaker 3: who we interact with here at Sky News, and Katie
Speaker 3: Wolf is the morning's announcer on Mix in Darwin. She's
Speaker 3: been on the radio there for now ten years. She
Speaker 3: is essentially the chief talkback person in Darwin. Now this
Speaker 3: matters because, of course the seat of Solomon, which is
Speaker 3: in and around Darwin, it has gone liberal labor. Liberal
Speaker 3: labor really important. There's a territory election that'll be playing
Speaker 3: out in the next few weeks. She will be front
Speaker 3: and center in all of that. So I just wanted
Speaker 3: to say to Katie, who is a multiple award winner
Speaker 3: and a lovely lady, congratulations on ten years and ten
Speaker 3: years at the top that Mix in Darwen. Congratulations to
Speaker 3: you and your team. Of course, the big political news
Speaker 3: today was that Kamala Harris has found her running mate.
Speaker 3: Tim Waltz is Walls, I should say, not Waltz, It's
Speaker 3: Tim Walls is his name. It's currently the Minnesota governor.
Speaker 3: And of course, just like they're trying to tell us
Speaker 3: there's nothing to see here with everything that Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: has been at every day of her life before she
Speaker 3: became the presidential candidate, the same, of course, will come.
Speaker 4: When it comes to this guy.
Speaker 3: And he said a certain tone today while introducing himself
Speaker 3: to America is that he's willing to get right in
Speaker 3: the gutter.
Speaker 11: And I got to tell you, I can't wait to
Speaker 11: debate the guy, that is, if he's willing.
Speaker 2: To get off the couch and show up.
Speaker 3: So why is the couch a reference? Because the Internet
Speaker 3: had convinced itself that JD. Vance, the Republican vice presidential candidate,
Speaker 3: had apparently been intimate with that piece of furniture, But interestingly,
Speaker 3: the Associated Press put out a fact check saying no,
Speaker 3: that didn't happen. But then, because that was positive news
Speaker 3: for the Republicans, and it denied people like the governor
Speaker 3: their chance to have a go Advance, guess.
Speaker 4: What magically disappeared from the internet.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, the fact check saying that what he
Speaker 3: went on to joke about wasn't true. Nothing to see here. Now,
Speaker 3: the same media that told you that Joe Biden is
Speaker 3: completely fine and Kamala Harris is absolutely not a lefty
Speaker 3: are the ones that are trying to tell you that
Speaker 3: her pick for vice president, endorsed by Bernie Sanders, is
Speaker 3: an absolute moderate. Nothing to see here, just a country
Speaker 3: fellow made good.
Speaker 1: The idea that Tim Wallas is unelesty is just not
Speaker 1: true in reality. He got elected in a district that
Speaker 1: was very moderate. Walls, of course, was very moderate in Congress.
Speaker 2: Establishing himself as a moderate Democrat.
Speaker 7: He had a pretty moderate record, rather moderate Democrat.
Speaker 1: Viewed as a moderate Democrat, he is a centrist.
Speaker 10: To say that he's more liberal than Vice President Harris
Speaker 10: or the most liberal congressman, which I'm sure we're going
Speaker 10: to hear.
Speaker 1: Of, just not true.
Speaker 3: So in his own words, what's his position on socialism?
Speaker 2: But we can get out there, reach out, make the case,
Speaker 2: and for one thing, don't ever shy away from our
Speaker 2: progressive values. One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Speaker 3: What's his position on keeping illegal immigrants like ten minion
Speaker 3: of them that have come in under Kamala Harris as
Speaker 3: vice president and her current boss Joe Biden, what's his
Speaker 3: position on keeping those people out.
Speaker 4: Of the country?
Speaker 11: A plan that's out there, talking about it with folks
Speaker 11: knowing that he's not going to do anything. He talks
Speaker 11: about this wall, I always say, let me know how
Speaker 11: high it is. If it's twenty five feet, then I'll
Speaker 11: invest in the thirty foot ladder factory. That's not how
Speaker 11: you stop this.
Speaker 3: And NIV Trump is like John McKain Steward to Megan mckin,
Speaker 3: what's their reaction to this incredibly moderate peak by Kamala Harris?
Speaker 12: And I listened to a bunch of podcasts and interviews
Speaker 12: with Tim Waltz because everyone was buzzing about him, and
Speaker 12: by the time I got to our vacation destination, he
Speaker 12: scared the crap out of me. But his stance on
Speaker 12: gender affirming care is radical even by like the most
Speaker 12: progressive people, and anything having to do with the twenty
Speaker 12: twenty riots and the summer of Hell, I mean, Minnesota
Speaker 12: was ground zero, and he is like defund the police.
Speaker 12: I mean he scares the living shit out of me,
Speaker 12: to the point that I was like, maybe jd Vance
Speaker 12: isn't this bad.
Speaker 3: There's only so many times the Jedi mind trick works.
Speaker 3: Biden's okay, Harris is not of the left.
Speaker 4: Will it be third time? Lucky? Well, the media thinks
Speaker 4: it will be.
Speaker 3: We'll all find out together in November, quick break back
Speaker 3: with more p needed debate. Megan Kelly joins us as
Speaker 3: well before we're done, to talk about this bloke and
Speaker 3: what he's really like. Our favorites on a Wednesday, the
Speaker 3: carry out a champions none other than Bromwin, Bishop of
Speaker 3: the Man who's always trying to take a.
Speaker 2: Throne but for some reason always just can't get there.
Speaker 2: But he's here to help.
Speaker 3: Stephen Conroy, of course, Sir, joining us from Melbourne. Now,
Speaker 3: before we get to American politics, which I know Stephen
Speaker 3: in particular is fascinated with, and on Obram when you've
Speaker 3: got lots to say about who Harris has picked Meegan
Speaker 3: Kelly on that a couple of minutes time. Let's talk
Speaker 3: about what seems to be different worldviews between the two
Speaker 3: sides of a coin that determine how inflation is fought
Speaker 3: in the country, the Reserve Bank and the government. As
Speaker 3: you will have seen on other shows, the b Reserve
Speaker 3: Bank governor has made it clear that's sort of too
Speaker 3: much government spending, the majority which is done by state governments,
Speaker 3: but still too much government spending is essentially washing away
Speaker 3: the effects of higher interest rates, meaning that individuals don't
Speaker 3: have as much money to keep pushing through the economy.
Speaker 3: On top of that, of course, there's pictures about inflation.
Speaker 3: The budget said one thing and the Reserve Bank says
Speaker 3: something else. So I'll start with you as the two
Speaker 3: people and the two sides of the system. When they're disagreeing.
Speaker 3: What are the consequences of that? Apart from interesting news stories.
Speaker 5: Ah, The fact is that if the government doesn't pay
Speaker 5: attention and play the right role fiscally i cut back
Speaker 5: on its expenditure, then inflation will go high and there
Speaker 5: could be an interstrate hike. Now, if you had the
Speaker 5: choice of believing the head of the RBA or the
Speaker 5: snake charmer, which one I'll take. I'll take the head
Speaker 5: of the RBA. And she made a lot of sense
Speaker 5: and was backed up by a lot of other people too.
Speaker 5: And if you think about it, logically, the government has
Speaker 5: been pumping more money into the system, and in this
Speaker 5: next quarter you're going to get the tax cuts and
Speaker 5: you're going to get the start of the electricity subsidies.
Speaker 5: So it's going to be a very tricky business. And
Speaker 5: I think the election will be on the seventh of December.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, just give me an idea. Why do you
Speaker 3: know more than we do?
Speaker 4: What's well?
Speaker 2: Why is that date the one that jumps for you?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've said all along I thought there'd
Speaker 5: be an early election. I said that the tax cuts
Speaker 5: wouldn't last till next May, that it's more likely to
Speaker 5: get worse before it gets better. And I think the
Speaker 5: determination of the Reserve Bank and its statement makes it
Speaker 5: clear to me that it is going to get worse
Speaker 5: before it gets better. And looking at the dates that
Speaker 5: are available, seventh of December.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I don't know if you're betting lady,
Speaker 3: but feel free to back it in. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the odds are right now, if there's even a market,
Speaker 3: But she's framing it for everyone.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Stephen. Again, what does this mean for normal people?
Speaker 4: And again I.
Speaker 3: Understand the treasure is not going to move there's all
Speaker 3: political consequences and around that the Reserve Bank is going
Speaker 3: to some degree cover their own backside because of previous decisions.
Speaker 3: But what does it mean when they're not in the
Speaker 3: same place.
Speaker 7: Look, I mean to answer Bromwin's question, you know who
Speaker 7: do you want to believe? Bromin, I've got some bad
Speaker 7: news for you. If you're back in the RBA's economic forecasts,
Speaker 7: you're going to be embarrassed. In the last ten years.
Speaker 5: I'm just taking it.
Speaker 2: They have got there, they get it.
Speaker 7: They have got the real wage forecast and the wage
Speaker 7: She's been wrong every year for ten minutes. It's the treasure,
Speaker 7: that's the Reserve Bank institution.
Speaker 2: Okay, estimation wrong every year.
Speaker 5: Treasury forecasts are wrong every year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I am I promise you I am not
Speaker 7: going to disagree with you about them. But if you
Speaker 7: when you say you want to believe that Michelle Bullock
Speaker 7: only for twenty years, and I agree with you that
Speaker 7: Treasury forecasts on taxation levels and all those sorts of
Speaker 7: things have been fantasy.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about the.
Speaker 5: Reserve Bank every time every.
Speaker 7: Time, Brotherin, If you could just stop interrupting so I
Speaker 7: can just actually answer something so for now it's.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're not going through it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just talk over you finish.
Speaker 7: I'll just ignore you. So Reserve Bank on wage forecasts wrong.
Speaker 7: So what do they say is driving inflation again?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 7: Wage forecasts? Well, I've been wrong for ten years. They're
Speaker 7: not suddenly going to be right this time.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many.
Speaker 7: Quarters, how many quarters the Reserve Bank had the inflation
Speaker 7: between two and three percent in the last ten years?
Speaker 4: I'm staking, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 7: The mob, this mob shouldn't sit there pretending they're the oracle,
Speaker 7: that they're right.
Speaker 4: They are wrong again.
Speaker 7: They were wrong last year. They pushed them up late,
Speaker 7: they pushed them up too hard, and they're risking pushing
Speaker 7: Australia in the face of declining GDP, in the face
Speaker 7: of nowhere near the wage growth to talk about. They
Speaker 7: are looking to push Australia into a recession.
Speaker 2: They should be called recession and.
Speaker 7: Reserve right never won low interest rates.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about what I mentioned last night.
Speaker 3: We've all seen plenty of things from desperate governments of
Speaker 3: all different persuasions, state, federal, all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: But is there anything more desperate than the queens and
Speaker 3: government pretending that they, if re elected, are going to
Speaker 3: buy or build twelve different petrol stations. They'll be government
Speaker 3: owned and somehow this will magically pull down the price
Speaker 3: of petrol. For his part, here is Giggles being interviewed
Speaker 3: by the Korean Mail.
Speaker 1: But an absolute joke, he is. You know, all this
Speaker 1: wish list.
Speaker 13: That they're throwing around, you know the fifty cents that
Speaker 13: they've started, now the transport putting the state, what six
Speaker 13: billion dollar debt that's going to you know, rubbing Peter
Speaker 13: to pay Paul. The taxpayer is going to have to
Speaker 13: pick up the bill.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 13: They are desperate, They are so desperate to win this
Speaker 13: next election, and I hope people don't fall for this
Speaker 13: false promises. He needs to be held to account.
Speaker 1: Is an absolute blanker.
Speaker 3: Well that was the punchline, of course, two Giggles, But
Speaker 3: you can see that on the Korean Male's website, which
Speaker 3: is Paul and Hanson just waking it away, and quite
Speaker 3: correctly so, Stephen, You've seen plenty of desperate things from
Speaker 3: plenty of governments for a particularly long time.
Speaker 4: Where does this rank?
Speaker 7: I think if I was creating from one of my
Speaker 7: traditional favorite shows, yes, minister, I think this will be
Speaker 7: described as a courageous policy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brobin the same, right, this is courageous. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: no one falls for this, apart from the other people
Speaker 3: in the room going great idea, boss, giggle, giggle.
Speaker 5: I think they should add to it. They could build
Speaker 5: a whole range of Hamburger stores and bring down the
Speaker 5: price of hamburgers.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I mean, don't forget they sell
Speaker 3: junk food in MENI service stations, So perhaps there's a
Speaker 3: plan to bring down the cost of twirlves.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean, you know, you could rend out
Speaker 5: the lows in the petrol stations and send up the
Speaker 5: price of blue paper.
Speaker 4: It's so stid. It's really so stupid.
Speaker 3: Which thankfully brings us to the American thing, which is
Speaker 3: kind of stupid too.
Speaker 4: But well, we know wh Kamala Harris is running.
Speaker 3: We know the combinations here, and look, I think it's
Speaker 3: I think if you actually look here, it's pretty damn
Speaker 3: obvious that basically the left is backing in the left
Speaker 3: as the right is backing in the right. Okay, this
Speaker 3: is an absolute fork in the road election that has consequences,
Speaker 3: serious consequences of which type of America is spat out
Speaker 3: at the end. But let's talk about the Minnesota governor, who,
Speaker 3: by the way, with seventy one percent of the serve
Speaker 3: the American population having no idea who he is, which
Speaker 3: is not too far.
Speaker 4: Away from the Van scenario.
Speaker 3: Hence why these are just people that are there to
Speaker 3: back up the big dog. I think Stephen his main
Speaker 3: purpose is to be able to quote unquote speak Republican
Speaker 3: or something like that between now an election day. He
Speaker 3: showed that in a rally he's willing to go low,
Speaker 3: and of course go low produces a grab, which means
Speaker 3: you could win a news cycle as opposed to him
Speaker 3: actually moving states.
Speaker 4: I don't think anything happens.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, I think that's a fair assessment. Paul.
Speaker 7: My daughter said to me, when you got back from
Speaker 7: school today, what do you know about this blow, to
Speaker 7: which my response was nothing. I'm not interested in him.
Speaker 7: He's a news story for twenty four forty eight hours.
Speaker 7: He's irrelevant, just like Dvance's ultimately to the broader debate.
Speaker 7: But it'll fascinate American media for twenty four forty eight hours,
Speaker 7: and then we'll get back to the main game of
Speaker 7: Trump versus Harris, and how they're going to position themselves
Speaker 7: policy wise, and whether or not Trump can be disciplined
Speaker 7: or Harris can provoke him into being undisciplined.
Speaker 3: Well, I literally looked through the deeper parts of the
Speaker 3: polls today, not searching for better news, but just trying
Speaker 3: to find whether something fundamental had changed. The economy, Trump's
Speaker 3: still favored by a big margin. Immigration, Trump's still favored
Speaker 3: even in the ones that are suggesting that either Harris
Speaker 3: is bumping or slightly in front. Again, no one votes
Speaker 3: about who these vice presidents are. Instead, it's about making
Speaker 3: sure that they can deliver a message that somebody else can't.
Speaker 3: But clearly the attack on him is that he's really
Speaker 3: a lefty, a super lefty. But does that attack actually
Speaker 3: connect by calling somebody too far right or too far left?
Speaker 3: You have to get into the specificity of why they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's plenty around. I mean, when he comes
Speaker 5: out and says that he's a great person for abortion
Speaker 5: that thinks should be done right up to the time
Speaker 5: of birth of the child can be killed. He wants
Speaker 5: to get rid of all fossil fuels.
Speaker 4: Which is not good for Minnesota.
Speaker 5: Really, But I said here, I think a couple of
Speaker 5: weeks ago, should she pick and I said Shapiro, because
Speaker 5: I mean, Pennsylvania has got nineteen.
Speaker 3: Vote the governor of state, you must win.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, okay, well, but I think the fact
Speaker 5: that that he is Jewish, the fact that he is
Speaker 5: pro Israel, made it very difficult for her to take
Speaker 5: on the party. And Minnesota has got the largest mosque
Speaker 5: in America I think in it, and it's got a
Speaker 5: large Muslim population. So and she's so clearly anti Semitic
Speaker 5: and pro pro.
Speaker 4: And pro anti the Israeli gum.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think it's stronger than that.
Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens in the next of the while.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys to appreciate it. Thank you Bromin, Thank
Speaker 3: you very much to you Steven, always here to help.
Speaker 3: We'll do so again next week. Megan Kelly on this
Speaker 3: in a lot more in a moment or two, this
Speaker 3: time here on POL Marry Line. So Kamala Harris peaks
Speaker 3: a fellow super lefty in Tim Waltz, the governor of Minnesota,
Speaker 3: as her running mate. Meghan Kelly, like the rest of
Speaker 3: the world is shaking her head because now it's two
Speaker 3: mega lefties versus Trump and Vance.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's a couple of things.
Speaker 8: Number One, this is a clear middle finger to Jews.
Speaker 1: I believe Shapiro.
Speaker 8: Wasn't picked because he's a Jewish Man who expressed support
Speaker 8: for Israel, including back when he was twenty or he
Speaker 8: wrote the very controversial statement that he doesn't think the
Speaker 8: Palestinians want peace.
Speaker 1: Hello, how is that controversial? Look what just happened.
Speaker 8: But it's too far for the Democrat Party of twenty
Speaker 8: twenty four. He didn't get this because he's a Jewish Man.
Speaker 8: That seems clear to me, and that in and of
Speaker 8: itself is scary. That's a scary statement coming from an
Speaker 8: American Democrat Party.
Speaker 1: That's where they are right now. So what did she
Speaker 1: go for?
Speaker 8: She went for someone who's arguably even farther to the
Speaker 8: left than she is. The way he let Minneapolis burn
Speaker 8: for days on end after the George Floyd killing, just
Speaker 8: let the riots continue on and on and defended them, saying,
Speaker 8: this is what you're going to get when you have
Speaker 8: police who behave like this, This is the way it's
Speaker 8: going to go. Just let property owners have their life
Speaker 8: savings and work burned.
Speaker 1: To the ground in the name of justice.
Speaker 8: I guess he's pro driver's licenses for illegals and on
Speaker 8: the trance stuff. He is another Gavin Newsom. He is
Speaker 8: just as bad as Gavin Newsom. He literally signed a
Speaker 8: bill that says your child can be taken away from
Speaker 8: you if you do not get him or her quote
Speaker 8: gender affirming care, and what he meant he spelled it out,
Speaker 8: was puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and surgeries.
Speaker 1: This is who she picked. And this is not an
Speaker 1: old man. He's sixty, so is she.
Speaker 8: So this is the Democrat saying this is the kind
Speaker 8: of leadership we want set up for the next sixteen years.
Speaker 8: She could be an eight year president, he could be
Speaker 8: the eight years after that, and they'd still both be
Speaker 8: younger than we have over on Team Trump. Not to
Speaker 8: mention what Biden was. So this is genuinely scary how
Speaker 8: far left this guy is. And don't be fooled. He's
Speaker 8: a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's got a folks sea manner.
Speaker 8: He ran in a blue state, but in initially in
Speaker 8: a red district in Minnesota for Congress in one, which
Speaker 8: is what first got him some attention in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1: He's a blue guy who.
Speaker 8: Can win in red community communities and Minnesota while a
Speaker 8: red well, sorry, a blue state is not far left.
Speaker 8: So you know the fact that he's a governor of
Speaker 8: a it's not purple, but it's not like a New
Speaker 8: York or a Vermont or a California.
Speaker 1: So they think that's also going to have appeal.
Speaker 8: It's sandwiched right there by Wisconsin and Michigan, so they
Speaker 8: think it'll have like a bleedover effect. It'll help her
Speaker 8: in the Midwestern states, in the Rust belt, in which
Speaker 8: Jade Vance is you know, supposed to be so appealing
Speaker 8: and I think is so he comes to this with
Speaker 8: National Guard service.
Speaker 1: He was a high school geography teacher.
Speaker 8: You know, he's sort of like this guy who talks
Speaker 8: the way everybody talks, like a normal guy.
Speaker 1: He's the guy who coined the JD.
Speaker 8: Vance is weird Republicans are weird phrase, which went so viral.
Speaker 8: It was just like such a natural phrase, and people
Speaker 8: are like, yeah, that's how we talk, Yeah they are weird.
Speaker 8: That one phrase could have gotten him chosen. That plus
Speaker 8: the fact that he's not a Jew.
Speaker 1: And so people say, yeah, he seems.
Speaker 8: Normal he's like a normy norm unlike Kamala who does
Speaker 8: not seem normal at all. But he honestly, he might
Speaker 8: be further to the left than she is. We don't know,
Speaker 8: because she's disavowing all of her most radical our positions
Speaker 8: through a campaign spokesperson. She herself hasn't spoken to any
Speaker 8: of this, so we really have no idea what her
Speaker 8: true feelings are and anything but him and we know,
Speaker 8: and it's scary.
Speaker 3: Well, it also seems that he's a woke wolf in
Speaker 3: sheep's clothing. And he has this rhetorical device that so
Speaker 3: many politicians on the left use in particular, which is
Speaker 3: when they spit in the face of tradition, they turn
Speaker 3: around and say, well, that's just you just starting a
Speaker 3: culture war. In fact, one of the quotes about the
Speaker 3: flag change, right, which clearly was done as you say
Speaker 3: for the changing population quote, well, Republicans are going to
Speaker 3: be talking about this. I'm going to be building roads,
Speaker 3: bridges and water treatment plants. What Republicans are going to
Speaker 3: be talking about this, I'm going to be making sure
Speaker 3: that kids are eating and we are creating jobs. Now,
Speaker 3: this is that perfect example, right, which is they come up,
Speaker 3: they slap you in the face, and then when you
Speaker 3: react to the slap in the face, you're the one
Speaker 3: with the problem. This in any other format is known
Speaker 3: as gasline. And I think you may well be able
Speaker 3: to do it when the city at rights, that at
Speaker 3: rights the regional areas where the local media is wanting
Speaker 3: to play, like New York or LA. But this stuff
Speaker 3: doesn't work in some of the states that we know
Speaker 3: will decide the presidency.
Speaker 8: I don't think that, you know, those right leaning independents
Speaker 8: who they're trying to win, are going to fall for
Speaker 8: that for one bit. They're on board with the culture war,
Speaker 8: they know exactly who started it, and they want to
Speaker 8: return to normalcy. They certainly don't want to lose custody
Speaker 8: of their children because they don't want to allow them
Speaker 8: to have gender quote affirming surgeries, which means totally healthy
Speaker 8: body parts chopped off and infertility when you're thirteen years old.
Speaker 8: That is not how any normaly independent feels, and that's
Speaker 8: what this is a battle for. I do think, though, Paul,
Speaker 8: on the bright side, this is a great pick for
Speaker 8: the Republicans. I think the Republicans are going to feel
Speaker 8: very invigorated by this choice. It's a much better pick
Speaker 8: for them than had it been Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 1: Who is like a white Obama.
Speaker 8: He's you know, he's inspirational. If you listen to him talk,
Speaker 8: he's like, we need hope. People can't survive without hope.
Speaker 8: He talks like Obama. He's trying to style himself after Obama.
Speaker 8: And let's not forget he's the governor of the most
Speaker 8: critical swing state in this election, Pennsylvania. So the fact
Speaker 8: that it's not Shapiro is a gift to the Republicans
Speaker 8: in and of itself, and then the fact that she
Speaker 8: went far left on the choice is a second gift
Speaker 8: that they will be able to exploit mightily over the
Speaker 8: coming weeks and months. It's kind of interesting to me
Speaker 8: if you look at it, it's almost similar to what
Speaker 8: Trump did. You know, he chose somebody in his own
Speaker 8: model in jd. Vance, and then so did she. The
Speaker 8: difference is Trump is a moderate, Paul Trump's a moderate,
Speaker 8: and so is jd.
Speaker 1: Vance.
Speaker 8: Both of these guys ralphall feathers amongst the conservative right
Speaker 8: because they're not far enough to the right. They're pro
Speaker 8: some big government programs, in particularly the ones that are
Speaker 8: gonna help the working class. That's the middle finger that
Speaker 8: the working class gave to the Republican Party elites back
Speaker 8: in sixteen, again in twenty but not in big enough numbers,
Speaker 8: and now again with Trump's renomination and jd Vance's and
Speaker 8: so she's kind of done the same thing that Trump has,
Speaker 8: but I think not in as smart a way because
Speaker 8: jd Vance, while he said some controversial things, as we've
Speaker 8: discussed child as cat ladies, whatever, she's not calling for
Speaker 8: this kind of radical behavior by the state over parents
Speaker 8: and private citizens. And I do think like picturing a
Speaker 8: Waltz Vance debate is kind of delicious. It's the first
Speaker 8: time I've been salivating a little bit since we saw
Speaker 8: the collapse of the Democratic candidacy in Joe Biden