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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Missing Matter podcast. We have been
Speaker 2: busy since we started this. We've talked about rolling with
Speaker 2: the punches and all the hoops have had to go
Speaker 2: through to get the documentation doing the dog search of
Speaker 2: looking for my mum's body in two locations in northern
Speaker 2: New South Wales. We've headed to Japan and now we're
Speaker 2: heading to London. We we're here for only a very
Speaker 2: short span of time, okay, So we are about twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes out of Gatwick, so we've been on the
Speaker 2: plane transiting now from Japan for close to twenty hours hits.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be one o'clock UK time when we
Speaker 2: touch down, which will be about nine o'clock Japan time
Speaker 2: and ten pm Australian time, so we're definitely on the
Speaker 2: other spectrum as of now for the rest of the
Speaker 2: journey until we transit back. So we left Dubai and
Speaker 2: I've got air tags in every piece of my luggage
Speaker 2: and I'm quite concerned that my suitcase was actually showing
Speaker 2: that he was left behind, and I got a notification
Speaker 2: as we were on the tarmac saying it was left behind.
Speaker 2: So I'm really hoping like everything that my bag is
Speaker 2: actually on this flight and it's going to come off
Speaker 2: with me when we arrive, Otherwise I'm going to cry.
Speaker 3: Fifteen after.
Speaker 1: Three, thank you.
Speaker 2: We've got two nights here. Of course it's raining again.
Speaker 2: And we arrived to our accommodation, which it was a
Speaker 2: little average, just a little.
Speaker 1: There was these little bugs that were vine did well,
Speaker 1: you did so well with the coom.
Speaker 2: So the problem with this accommodation was I had books
Speaker 2: somewhere right, and we kept bouncing. I'm like, are we
Speaker 2: going to be closer to the library? We closer to here?
Speaker 2: And I was really trying to go back and forth.
Speaker 2: And what the problem that Joany and I came across with, well,
Speaker 2: what I came across with booking accommodation was we really
Speaker 2: wanted to have our own beds, which is understandable, and
Speaker 2: a lot of the places, if you were staying in
Speaker 2: a hotel, they actually didn't offer double beds in any
Speaker 2: of the hotels we were looking at all through Europe
Speaker 2: and the UK. So we opted to go to Airbnb's
Speaker 2: and this place had mold on the roof, like had
Speaker 2: really great reviews. One of those ones I had really
Speaker 2: pretty pictures and things like that. The bedroom where this
Speaker 2: was the other bedroom. Johnny walked in and went, there
Speaker 2: is not I just cannot I'm staying in. It had
Speaker 2: a weird feeling about it.
Speaker 1: It was weird.
Speaker 4: It was like a closet, but it just had a
Speaker 4: weird vibe about it.
Speaker 2: So I just chose to sleep on the cap. Joanie
Speaker 2: didn't sleep. She was up at all hours of the night,
Speaker 2: and I kept thinking to myself, You've got to sleep
Speaker 2: because we've just bounced from Tokyo and it's actually a
Speaker 2: long way, like we had to stop over in Dubai
Speaker 2: and by the time you get off, you get on
Speaker 2: a train. We were out at Gatwick, so because we
Speaker 2: were coming back through Gatwick, so we flew in there
Speaker 2: as well. Then we had to catch a train. We
Speaker 2: had no idea what train we were getting on. We
Speaker 2: just jumped on a train randomly and hope it's the best.
Speaker 2: Got out at the Victoria station, we grabbed ourselves pass
Speaker 2: yes because Johnie had never been to London and I said,
Speaker 2: this is like a pasty place that's totally very UK,
Speaker 2: and she's like, yes, can we please get one? So
Speaker 2: we grabbed that, got now Uber and went to our accommodation,
Speaker 2: So that night was just really we walked around to
Speaker 2: try and get some food.
Speaker 4: I thought it would be a nice little park walk,
Speaker 4: just to stretch our legs, and of course it was
Speaker 4: a cemetery.
Speaker 2: And then the graves were like explode out of the ground.
Speaker 2: They were some big part. It was all a bit Gaulish,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. And the main two things we had to
Speaker 2: do in the UK was go to the British Library yep,
Speaker 2: and go to Sphinx.
Speaker 4: Well, the British Library has a whole complete room which
Speaker 4: is just pretty much newspapers media. A lot of it
Speaker 4: is online, a lot of it is electronically resourced, so
Speaker 4: to be able to get in there and actually just
Speaker 4: putting keyword searchers rather than having to physically go through
Speaker 4: newspapers or physically flick through microfish, which you know, if
Speaker 4: you do that for too many hours, your eyes literally
Speaker 4: go square and blurry and you start having your eyelids
Speaker 4: flutter and crazy stuff. So what we were going there
Speaker 4: for was to access all the British newspapers because that
Speaker 4: was a big hole within the whole scenario. Again, this
Speaker 4: was probably focusing more on Rick Bloom than your mum.
Speaker 4: So a lot of people had looked through newspapers in
Speaker 4: that ninety seven period, particularly around Tunbridge Wells Burwash, that
Speaker 4: Sussex kind of area, looking to see if there was
Speaker 4: any clues. But when we heard the inquest that the
Speaker 4: family had lived in Burwash, that was of interest to
Speaker 4: me to see whether there was any media about things
Speaker 4: that had happened over the time when they were living
Speaker 4: there within Burwash itself, if there was anything sort of
Speaker 4: that we could query and take back to Australia, and
Speaker 4: also of course searching all the different aliases that Rick
Speaker 4: Bloom had had over the years to see whether there
Speaker 4: was anything.
Speaker 1: Great. So we have eleven reading rooms here.
Speaker 5: They're all divided by subject across three floors something particularly
Speaker 5: in the study.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've already worked out what floors and
Speaker 2: everything in me to okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so first thing you have to do is pronounce
Speaker 1: and Loggia got through things, aren't yeh?
Speaker 2: That you read the rules?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had loved that.
Speaker 2: All right, good umbrellas leave the bag there? Yeah quit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that pencil up.
Speaker 1: You're all sat okay, perfect? I was as bad.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Very much saving fantasy.
Speaker 2: Then we go and we put our bags in at
Speaker 2: the cloak room. They give you a plastic bag. You
Speaker 2: can only fill that bag with clear things, so you
Speaker 2: can't have a pencil case. You've only got to have
Speaker 2: loose pens. It was pretty serious stuff. I was quite
Speaker 2: shocked at how serious it all was. And we come up.
Speaker 2: We're trying to open the massive door to get into
Speaker 2: the access area and it's all temperature controlled because of
Speaker 2: the stuff that's held in there, which is fascinating, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I've learned so much in this journey. So we go
Speaker 2: in and we go up to the desk and you
Speaker 2: introduced to the guy that we've actually got a booking
Speaker 2: and that you had done what do you call it again.
Speaker 1: Order it up, ordered up, you'd ordered up.
Speaker 2: Some files and some things. And we rock up to
Speaker 2: the desk and the guy tells us sorry, there's been
Speaker 2: a cyber attack. You can't access anything.
Speaker 1: To listening.
Speaker 6: We just like to operate one of the computers just
Speaker 6: to online newspaper resources.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately we have nor computer access.
Speaker 2: They're all really.
Speaker 3: Wow, is a criminal microphone?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we'll just come from Australia to access what
Speaker 1: if you play that.
Speaker 5: Is anything taking And she's lousially uk on the holiday
Speaker 5: and came back.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to sort some thoughts over here. An
Speaker 1: individual she was with travel some other records, some data records.
Speaker 6: For yeah, So we were just wanting to come in
Speaker 6: and actually access what sort of beefers that you were
Speaker 6: talking about nineteen ninety seventh, June ninety ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Like, it's not a big window that we're looking for,
Speaker 1: so that.
Speaker 3: We usually a digital microone. We lost Dools as well
Speaker 3: his own issues. There was a malicious say what's tape
Speaker 3: from a people buy just washing? Where are by the washers?
Speaker 2: So that kind of left us in alert. My god, well,
Speaker 2: we had planned to go there for five hours. You
Speaker 2: were telling me it's going to take us five hours
Speaker 2: to get through this. We had everything ready ready to
Speaker 2: rock and roll, and it was really a case that
Speaker 2: we literally had to just go with some newspapers on microfish.
Speaker 2: So you and I sat there going through that. I
Speaker 2: remember finding things and we were looking for nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: We weren't too worried about what had happened before that
Speaker 2: or post. We were really just focusing very tightly on
Speaker 2: that to see what we could find. And I remember
Speaker 2: you were probably looking for any criminal activity that had
Speaker 2: been reported in the newspapers. Yes, I was sort of
Speaker 2: me being me. I was going, oh, that's when Lady
Speaker 2: Diana died, and there's the article. Like, the newspapers were
Speaker 2: obviously flooded with all of that, which happened just shortly
Speaker 2: after my mum had left to go overseas. I didn't
Speaker 2: know she was missing at that point.
Speaker 7: We have reports from Paris that Diana, Princess of Wales
Speaker 7: has been killed in a car accident. They were apparently
Speaker 7: being pursued by paparazzi on two motorcycles.
Speaker 2: It was interesting. We walked away there feeling a little
Speaker 2: bit flat. Yeah, what we'd planned to do had been
Speaker 2: floundered by who would have thought a Russian cyber attack
Speaker 2: who went in and stole all their information. And he
Speaker 2: was telling us about, you know, how the staff had
Speaker 2: I'm like, why would they want to do this? And
Speaker 2: he said, oh, well, you know, people have to register
Speaker 2: to come into the place with their passports, their driver's license.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, great, so we've just given them
Speaker 2: all our information and you're telling me now that you've
Speaker 2: just been caught out with a cyber attack on a
Speaker 2: very high level, and hence it could be years before
Speaker 2: that information is allowed to be back online for them
Speaker 2: to actually fix it all. So I remember you saying
Speaker 2: to me, well, let's just go to Sphinx, it's down
Speaker 2: the road, and we were like, okay, we're on a mission.
Speaker 2: So the other thing that we experienced, like you asked
Speaker 2: to order up some more information and the lady said
Speaker 2: to us, we can get it, but it's going to
Speaker 2: take two days, and we just didn't have two days
Speaker 2: because we were literally about to go to Amsterdam. So
Speaker 2: I remember we posted something. We must have posted something,
Speaker 2: and a few people said, hey, I'm in London. Let
Speaker 2: me know. I can always go back. If you miss
Speaker 2: out on something, I can always go back. So we
Speaker 2: might have to call on some of you guys.
Speaker 4: So in regards to the coin dealing, I just want
Speaker 4: to take everybody back a moment, right to the start
Speaker 4: of the coin dealing stuff, because you know, there was
Speaker 4: many years there where obviously you didn't know where your
Speaker 4: MAMO was, and then when Rick Bloom came along or
Speaker 4: Frederick de HEADEVERI it was quite early in the piece
Speaker 4: when we found out that he actually had a company
Speaker 4: called Balaner Coin invest. Sort of thought there could be
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff sitting behind the whole coin dealing thing.
Speaker 4: What I did know was we had catalogs, we had invoicing,
Speaker 4: we had bank details, we had dates of auctions, we
Speaker 4: had dates that coins were bought and sold, how they
Speaker 4: were sold. So we basically had almost like a bit
Speaker 4: of a trail on a person that you wouldn't ordinarily get.
Speaker 4: And then if we could overlay even his coin timeline,
Speaker 4: we would be able to pinpoint exactly where he was.
Speaker 3: Think is a twenty minute.
Speaker 1: Walk away from him? Yeah, let's just go and think, well,
Speaker 1: let's go on head over there, always confined.
Speaker 2: By this point, my stomach is growling one hundred miles
Speaker 2: an hour. And on the way to Sphinx, we stopped
Speaker 2: and had some Joe and the Juice. Yes, I introduced
Speaker 2: Journey to the Juice and Tunicado sandwich. That was one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things to eat there. But we needed
Speaker 2: to keep fueling ourselves because otherwise we were going to
Speaker 2: get sick and we were going to run out of
Speaker 2: gas essentially, so we had a quick bite to eat,
Speaker 2: went to Sphinx and the reason that this had come
Speaker 2: to our attention, I guess is some of the longtime
Speaker 2: followers would remember Christina. She did some amazing investigation into
Speaker 2: my mum and helping me in the UK. She was
Speaker 2: based down in the south of London. She was actually
Speaker 2: very helpful in helping us gain a lot of information.
Speaker 2: And as we were going along, she'd come up with
Speaker 2: this fantastic idea and spoken to a gentleman who worked
Speaker 2: in the postal system, and on the back of the
Speaker 2: postcards there were these little bluey purply lines that were
Speaker 2: like a kind of like a barcode that ran over
Speaker 2: the top of the stamp. And she'd spoken to him
Speaker 2: and said, what are those? And they turned out to
Speaker 2: be an identification of where that piece of mail was
Speaker 2: posted and what time it was posted, and it sort
Speaker 2: of came down to morning or afternoon. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: a specific time as such, but we actually knew by
Speaker 2: looking at those that we could get an idea of
Speaker 2: where exactly Mum posted her letters. So I went down
Speaker 2: to the local camera shop close to me. I had
Speaker 2: to get them to do some really intense scans in
Speaker 2: hires to get those as clear as possible for this guy,
Speaker 2: and I ended up emailing them back to Christina. She
Speaker 2: sent them to him and he came back with a
Speaker 2: full record of where all the letters and the postcards
Speaker 2: had been sent from and what stuck out to us.
Speaker 2: You were able to work out that Sphinx, which is
Speaker 2: a massive coin auction house, had an auction on the
Speaker 2: same weekend in the same neighborhood of where Mum posted
Speaker 2: her postcard back when she came back to London.
Speaker 1: So we were like, wow.
Speaker 2: And so what people who aren't familiar with in this
Speaker 2: world of coins is there's a catalog, so when you
Speaker 2: buy and sell these coins, it's actually all recorded. So
Speaker 2: we were like, okay, well, let's go and suss out
Speaker 2: that weekend in nineteen ninety seven and get the catalog
Speaker 2: and see if anyone we're familiar with purchased or sold coins.
Speaker 2: So we rock up, We come in the door, speak
Speaker 2: to the man. He's like, you have to go up
Speaker 2: the stairs here and go up to archive.
Speaker 6: Hello, how are you look I'm looking for We've just
Speaker 6: got SENTI from upstairs. I'm looking for the nineteen n
Speaker 6: seven catalog. The option was against the new eleventh of
Speaker 6: July do you have a copy of that it was
Speaker 6: ancient and read Roman.
Speaker 1: Yeahs yes, not no, not metals. I've actually got an
Speaker 1: image of it out.
Speaker 6: We are very.
Speaker 1: But we can pick with you. Okay, thank you, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's all right, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Bye, And she goes, let me just go and have
Speaker 2: a look. She comes back and goes, I'm very sorry.
Speaker 2: We actually don't have that one, like all of them
Speaker 2: that they didn't have. But how many times happened that one?
Speaker 2: We want a page out of a booklet? Oh, that
Speaker 2: page is missing? Actually, we're so sorry. Is that just
Speaker 2: that has happened many times? It's urgeous. It's like the
Speaker 2: gods are working against seriously.
Speaker 5: Me was trying to get information or journey dis a
Speaker 5: questionable recording what do you call them? Exuckle with a
Speaker 5: spink catalog catalogs from the Spinks, And of course they
Speaker 5: only hold on dad, it has no seven us at
Speaker 5: a different location and.
Speaker 1: It's not such be online.
Speaker 2: Oh, dearie me, this just seems like an every time. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we came back downstairs and we spoke to a really
Speaker 2: nice guy and you had actually made up these little
Speaker 2: cards which were information cards.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 2: Just to let people know what we were doing, and
Speaker 2: we sort of started handing them around.
Speaker 4: Previously, when we'd done this stuff in Australia, we were
Speaker 4: having to get out our phones, so when we interacted
Speaker 4: with someone that may have known Rick Bloom, we were
Speaker 4: having to get out our phones and then scroll through
Speaker 4: to find images of him.
Speaker 1: To show people.
Speaker 4: So what we thought we would do is we would
Speaker 4: print a whole lot of postcards which had images of legal,
Speaker 4: publicly available images of Rick Bloom over his whole lifetime
Speaker 4: from the early seventies right up until the present day.
Speaker 4: We had the years set underneath each of those images.
Speaker 4: We also had all of his primarily used aliases or
Speaker 4: legal names that we used over that time, and then
Speaker 4: we had an email address that people could contact if
Speaker 4: they knew anything about the individual.
Speaker 1: So that was basically what it was.
Speaker 4: It was a quick grab for people to be able
Speaker 4: to say, this is the individual that we're looking for.
Speaker 1: Do you know him, do you recognize him? Do you
Speaker 1: recognize any of his names?
Speaker 2: So there's so many dealings with him, any dealings with.
Speaker 4: Him, So it was just a really easy way to
Speaker 4: be able to do it without having to because it's
Speaker 4: a difficult thing to actually explain to people right without
Speaker 4: them thinking that we've literally lost our minds, and not
Speaker 4: just that like.
Speaker 2: Every time for me having to repeat the story all
Speaker 2: the time, it's actually quite difficult and mentally draining as
Speaker 2: well to have it in a snapshot and hand it
Speaker 2: over and say yeah, this is the reason why we're here.
Speaker 8: Of course obtually on the ip I a PM watch
Speaker 8: this yeah over in Europe. So as far as coinage goes, yeah, we've.
Speaker 1: Spoken listed dealers and they know him. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: it's something.
Speaker 9: Yes And unfortunately no, no, no, because I guess why
Speaker 9: we want that is because we actually sold a lot
Speaker 9: of his collection in twenty twelve food Gin and so
Speaker 9: if he sold something from purchased it's been in the
Speaker 9: July than we've kind.
Speaker 1: Of got in in the area. And see, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was quite effective.
Speaker 4: Like we did it in English, we did it in Luxembourgish,
Speaker 4: and we had German, French and English, so they were
Speaker 4: used as a bit of a way to be able
Speaker 4: to get the story out quickly and easily without us
Speaker 4: having to explain all this stuff and fumble around with
Speaker 4: our phones.
Speaker 2: So I guess coming back to Sphinx and the crux
Speaker 2: of it all is did he attend the auction and
Speaker 2: if so, that could link mum and him in the
Speaker 2: same location in London, because remembering the coroner has said
Speaker 2: in her findings that she believes they were together at
Speaker 2: some point, but there's no real clarity again as to
Speaker 2: whether they were or not. And you know what's in that.
Speaker 2: What comes out of that not a lot, right, Like
Speaker 2: We'll be honest, but it's just interesting to put the
Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle together, which at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, if we can put that together a bit
Speaker 2: better and where we're at at the end of the findings,
Speaker 2: that does help the situation for the story moving forward.
Speaker 4: New South Wales police could go they could request the
Speaker 4: records for Spink. So I guess that is where my
Speaker 4: interest lies too, in that you've got Janet Oldenberg going
Speaker 4: into Barry Cooper's book store and selling stamps allegedly on
Speaker 4: behalf of Rick Bloom in Ballina, so he allegedly he
Speaker 4: has sent women out to do his bidding. You've also
Speaker 4: got in Belgium at the Elson Coins, You've got both
Speaker 4: his cousin's widow going in there and they have confirmed
Speaker 4: that she did make queries and purchase coins from them,
Speaker 4: So therefore that did occur.
Speaker 1: And you've also got.
Speaker 4: Gilaine too going in purchasing coins on his behalf, and
Speaker 4: they have confirmed that that did occur. She did come
Speaker 4: in and ask for a catalog, so I guess that
Speaker 4: was also a major eye raising push for me. That
Speaker 4: imagine if Spink had Florabella Ramchal asking for a catalog
Speaker 4: or Marion.
Speaker 1: Bardas two six two.
Speaker 6: We have the nine hundred fifty on speed Live here,
Speaker 6: so when they said would be more than.
Speaker 1: Two thousand packs, one thousands.
Speaker 3: Would be my next thing.
Speaker 5: Prosize for nine hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2: Has Yes, we didn't get the catalog because it wasn't
Speaker 2: in archives, but you went onto eBay and you've actually
Speaker 2: found it on eBay and you've accessed it. So we're
Speaker 2: obviously very busy doing this right now. But there's a
Speaker 2: lot to go through in those catalogs, so I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're still going through that at the moment. We haven't
Speaker 2: really kind of got to that point yet, but we
Speaker 2: will tell everyone. We'll do a post on Facebook and
Speaker 2: let everyone know if there's any juicy bits in there
Speaker 2: that we need to look further into.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: We post everything in two different locations on Facebook. Look
Speaker 2: a bit like the cyber attack. My Facebook page was
Speaker 2: shut down a majority of so I've actually not been
Speaker 2: able to post anything on there for over a year now,
Speaker 2: and no matter how hard I've tried to get better
Speaker 2: to let me access my mum's page again. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure who did what, but someone has said something and
Speaker 2: that has put a stop on me posting photos or
Speaker 2: doing lives and things like that. But I tend to
Speaker 2: now post over on Instagram under missing person marrying Barter.
Speaker 2: Then I share it to missing person marrying Butter on Facebook.
Speaker 2: But we also have a group which people can come
Speaker 2: in and have a chat about, so we do talk
Speaker 2: a lot about this sort of thing inside that group.
Speaker 2: I'm going to encourage everybody to make sure we answer
Speaker 2: all the questions because so many people get turned away
Speaker 2: on the daily who are trying to join because they're
Speaker 2: not answering the questions. So there are questions there just
Speaker 2: to protect the group and the integrity of the group,
Speaker 2: and we want to make sure that everyone's following the rules.
Speaker 2: It is an investigation, if I use those terms loosely,
Speaker 2: but we want to just protect the integrity of the case.
Speaker 2: So that's why those questions are really important. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's a really good community in there and people can
Speaker 2: come on over and learn all about the nitty gritty
Speaker 2: side of things over in that space.
Speaker 4: And that is called the Missing Matter Marion Matters Podcast
Speaker 4: discussion group.
Speaker 2: We just changed it, so come and join us. We'd
Speaker 2: love to meet you in that space.
Speaker 1: What we're doing now, this is part of the journey.
Speaker 4: So you've got to think like the past five years,
Speaker 4: Like I'm.
Speaker 1: Excluding what happened three five years ago.
Speaker 10: The past five years there has been so many hurdles,
Speaker 10: as so many black holes, stop signs, shut doors, refusals,
Speaker 10: europeadic rubbish. That basically what we're demonstrating now is that
Speaker 10: it continues. So whether it's in Australia, whether it's in Japan's,
Speaker 10: whether it's in the.
Speaker 1: UK, it's continue.
Speaker 10: So people are going to say, Okay, white isn't white,
Speaker 10: isn't in such and such, fine, they're missing family member,
Speaker 10: or we are illustrating exactly why that happens.
Speaker 2: It's so frustrating, you know, to get that letter to
Speaker 2: arrive at home while I'm here for Chris is ended
Speaker 2: to me with Ato saying that they can't find anything
Speaker 2: about my mum on their system when they were looking
Speaker 2: for Flora Bella, when I clearly said the situation for
Speaker 2: them to come back and go We've looked under Florabella
Speaker 2: Ramaca and there's nothing here. Sorry. So I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: we if I reach out to Vincy Arne and see
Speaker 2: if she'll meet us, to go to the Belgian police
Speaker 2: and chat with them about the current situation and maybe
Speaker 2: put a welfare check in for the coroner. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: for the record, we're sitting at farm Girls. We've got
Speaker 2: high t books this afternoon, which I wanted to do
Speaker 2: for month. She loves so she would really love to
Speaker 2: go and get some tea and spawn some things. So
Speaker 2: we're going to do that at Convent Garden. The high
Speaker 2: Tea for me was a really special time for mum
Speaker 2: because my mum loved doing that and I thought she
Speaker 2: would love it. We were in Convent Garden, we had
Speaker 2: half an hour to ourselves, so I'd booked us to
Speaker 2: have high tea and we're up on the rooftop looking down.
Speaker 2: It stopped raining for half a second, so we got lucky.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to talk about another idea that I've
Speaker 2: got coming in and loop this in because it's kind
Speaker 2: of relevant, right most people might know that I was
Speaker 2: talking about doing the Missing Matter Walk for Mum and
Speaker 2: the Missing in October this year for Mum's eightieth birthday.
Speaker 2: I've had close to sixty people come into a group
Speaker 2: on my WhatsApp and we've been working tirelessly to try
Speaker 2: and work out how to do this and how we
Speaker 2: would get through it from a legality point of view.
Speaker 2: And I hate to say it, but I think I
Speaker 2: just got pipped at the post for this because it
Speaker 2: was just bigger than Ben hur for me. We had
Speaker 2: people doing walks in Scotland, in London, down in the
Speaker 2: South of UK over in New Zealand, we had people
Speaker 2: up in Seattle. Laura Richard said she wanted to do
Speaker 2: one on the beach in Santa Monica, and we had
Speaker 2: all of the major cities and locations around Australia who
Speaker 2: wanted to get involved in doing this walk. But unfortunately
Speaker 2: there is so much red tape and you know, hating
Speaker 2: to have indemnity insurance up to twenty million dollars on
Speaker 2: each particular walk to cover us if someone hurt themselves
Speaker 2: if they tripped over hurt their ankle, and it was
Speaker 2: just becoming so difficult, and some of the emails that
Speaker 2: we had, like I know Charlotte over in the UK
Speaker 2: in London, she was like saying, we want to get
Speaker 2: from here to here, but we're going to have to
Speaker 2: walk through this area here to get here. And they're
Speaker 2: coming back going, oh, but if you want to have
Speaker 2: something in that spot, you're going to have to register
Speaker 2: and book in a time and she's like, we don't
Speaker 2: want to have it there, we just want to walk
Speaker 2: through it. It was just so much drama and it
Speaker 2: really got to the point for me where I was
Speaker 2: getting very stressed about it. I've been dealing with my
Speaker 2: dad as well over the beginning of the year, and
Speaker 2: that's when we were supposed to be working on this.
Speaker 2: My dad ends up with vascular dementia and we have
Speaker 2: to get him sorted and bring him up to Queensland
Speaker 2: and find him care and that has really become my
Speaker 2: focus for the first quarter of this year essentially, so
Speaker 2: the walks had to be put back on a bit
Speaker 2: of a back burner. But then while I'm in the
Speaker 2: Blue Mountains, I organized a very quick catch up with
Speaker 2: some of mum's closest friends, some of the people she
Speaker 2: taught with, and some of her students who I'm friends
Speaker 2: with because we were in the same year at Springwood
Speaker 2: Primary School. And we had a lunch and it was
Speaker 2: just funny because we were talking, especially mum's friends. I
Speaker 2: were talking about how much my mum loved having tea
Speaker 2: and how one of Mum's really good friends she had
Speaker 2: me over for a cup of tea and she served
Speaker 2: me hurt my tea and a mug and she said, oh,
Speaker 2: your mother would have a heart attack that I'm serving
Speaker 2: you a cup of tea in a mug. I said, well,
Speaker 2: Mum's not here, so that's okay. And we were sort
Speaker 2: of laughing and joking around how much my mum loved
Speaker 2: high tea and having a beautiful cup and saucer to
Speaker 2: drink your tea from.
Speaker 10: And so.
Speaker 2: When that happened, and I was looking at her friends
Speaker 2: and I'm like, they're all turning eighty, and would they
Speaker 2: really be able to do a really big walk for her, Like,
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that I included her friends
Speaker 2: in this mix, her sisters as well, if they'd like
Speaker 2: to come and they're all getting older, so it sort
Speaker 2: of dawned on me that maybe I could do a
Speaker 2: high tea instead, And so then I had this idea
Speaker 2: of doing high te's all over the universe and the
Speaker 2: spots that everybody had agreed to do the walks. The
Speaker 2: girls were like, yep, I'm on board with it, let's
Speaker 2: do a high tea instead. And then I start going
Speaker 2: through the process of that. I've contacted the Hilton and said,
Speaker 2: maybe we could do the same hotel chain all over
Speaker 2: the place, and that might keep it a bit easier
Speaker 2: for me, But of course my ideas are always bigger
Speaker 2: than ben her and turned out that I would have
Speaker 2: to pay a room fee for each of the hotels
Speaker 2: prior to even putting the ticket sales out there, and
Speaker 2: so I added it up and it was going to
Speaker 2: be over ten thousand dollars that I would have to
Speaker 2: fork out of my pocket to book these high Tea's
Speaker 2: all over the world, with no real idea as to
Speaker 2: who would actually want to come. So I was a
Speaker 2: bit nervous about that. So I've come to the conclusion
Speaker 2: that there's a beautiful house which is a Queenslander. We
Speaker 2: actually had Ella's twenty first there a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: and it's absolutely stunning and totally my mum's vibe. And
Speaker 2: Marissa there has said that she has one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty tea cups that we can use and some little stands,
Speaker 2: so we're actually going to have high tea there and
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to be putting ticket sales out for that,
Speaker 2: probably at the end of July. Okay, so by the
Speaker 2: time you're listening to this, you'll be seeing lots about
Speaker 2: that coming up in the mix on socials. But you
Speaker 2: know what, I haven't had a chance to have a
Speaker 2: memorial for my mum. So I've gone through all of
Speaker 2: these processes, I've you know, finalized her life in a nutshell,
Speaker 2: but I don't have a body, you know. I spoke
Speaker 2: to counsel here in Brisbane and they told me that
Speaker 2: there's a memorial site that they've set up for missing
Speaker 2: persons in a cemetery on the north side of Brisbane
Speaker 2: and it looks really beautiful. Like granted, it looks lovely,
Speaker 2: but I just said to him, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: go to a cemetery. My mom's not there. I don't
Speaker 2: know where she is. I would like to sit on
Speaker 2: a seat and look out somewhere for my mum, because
Speaker 2: I know she's out there somewhere. So for me, that
Speaker 2: was the vision that I had and how the missing
Speaker 2: matter was growing in my mind. So if we wind
Speaker 2: all the way back to a year ago when I
Speaker 2: started the walks, this has all come about, really I remember.
Speaker 2: So the idea with the seats is the High Tea
Speaker 2: will be a fundraiser to pay for seats to go
Speaker 2: into locations and I might even only raise enough money
Speaker 2: for one seat if everybody comes, and we're looking at
Speaker 2: that last weekend in September. The details will be all
Speaker 2: on our facebooks, groups and socials and we're not quite
Speaker 2: ready to launch that yet, but just so you know,
Speaker 2: it's in the wings if you're interested in coming. So
Speaker 2: hopefully it will be a wonderful event as a memorial
Speaker 2: for my mum, something that my children can come to
Speaker 2: as well and go, wow, this is for my grandmother
Speaker 2: and it's somewhere special that we can always drive past
Speaker 2: and think, you know, that's where we had her memorial
Speaker 2: for her and a memory for her. And then the
Speaker 2: money from there, I'm hoping will be enough and we
Speaker 2: can do these seats which I'm planning them to be green,
Speaker 2: so anyone will know that's mum's color. So a green
Speaker 2: bench seat and on the seat it will stay the
Speaker 2: missing matter, and we'll have a QR code there next
Speaker 2: to it that someone sits down to have a rest.
Speaker 2: So people who are walking their dogs and walking around,
Speaker 2: who are not going to go to a cemetery to
Speaker 2: go and think about the missing, if they sit on
Speaker 2: the chair and go what's that about and scan the
Speaker 2: QR code, the QR code will take them to the website.
Speaker 2: And we're going to start asking families with missing persons
Speaker 2: to give us a story and a photograph and we
Speaker 2: can put it onto the website and people can just
Speaker 2: look at it and go, oh, there's missing people here
Speaker 2: and this is their story. And who knows who might
Speaker 2: see something or go, oh, I remember her, I remember
Speaker 2: something about that. So that's my mindset right. I haven't
Speaker 2: told Joni much of this where she's going, oh, because
Speaker 2: she's been busy helping me with other things, and I said,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let you help me over here. I've
Speaker 2: got these amazing people over here who are going to
Speaker 2: work in this space. So it has been amazing. I
Speaker 2: want to shout out to those guys because that team
Speaker 2: in that little group awesome, awesome humans. And we did
Speaker 2: get like there was a couple like Sydney had massive
Speaker 2: numbers to do the walk, and we had massive amount
Speaker 2: of people who wanting to do it in Melbourne, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anybody to run it down there. And
Speaker 2: just to clarify, on Sunday, the fifth of October, in
Speaker 2: the morning, I am going to do a walk. It's
Speaker 2: not planned, so there'll be no ticket sales or anything
Speaker 2: like that. It'll just simply be that I'm going for
Speaker 2: a walk. I'll be wearing green. If anyone else wants
Speaker 2: to go for a walk, We're going to ask everybody
Speaker 2: around the world to walk on that day, just in
Speaker 2: their own space, in their own time. It's also a
Speaker 2: public holiday that weekend, so we were like, people probably
Speaker 2: will be away and now they can STI. They can
Speaker 2: just go for a walk on their own. It's not
Speaker 2: a plan to walk. Were put on some green and
Speaker 2: take a photo of themselves or a video with their
Speaker 2: friends if they're going with their friends or their dog,
Speaker 2: and just do a hashtag the missing matter and we
Speaker 2: will collate it all together and we'll do something special
Speaker 2: on socials with that which we haven't had a lot
Speaker 2: of downtime. But we did meet Jade last night. So
Speaker 2: Jade came and met us and we went for a
Speaker 2: really beautiful dinner at a little Mediterranean place sim Paddington.
Speaker 2: There and her friend Emma came. They've caught the coach,
Speaker 2: traveled for three hours, taken a couple of days off
Speaker 2: work to come and meet us. Jade had this beautiful
Speaker 2: little key ring maid that has Mum's picture of her.
Speaker 2: So she asked me a while ago what my favorite
Speaker 2: photo of Mum was, and I sentive the one I
Speaker 2: thought I liked the most, and to my surprise, she
Speaker 2: had actually organized to have that sort of lazy, isn't
Speaker 2: it onto like a little plat which is a key
Speaker 2: ring with some wings, and she said, you know, to
Speaker 2: keep you safe on your travels. So so nice, like
Speaker 2: the people I've met, just amazing, very kind, very nice people.
Speaker 2: Big thanks Tama and Jade for making the effort to
Speaker 2: come and hang out with us and have some dinner
Speaker 2: after what was a very busy day yesterday, frustrating day,
Speaker 2: amongst other things, trying to get information that just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to want to help us. The gods are not
Speaker 2: willing at this moment. So anyway, I off to have
Speaker 2: our coffee. It's on its way, and I was like
Speaker 2: a Koda.
Speaker 1: In the next episode of The Missing Matter.
Speaker 2: So we're only in Amsterdam for a short period of time,
Speaker 2: and the main reason is there's more coin dealers there
Speaker 2: that we wanted to go and have a chat with.
Speaker 2: We know that Rick Blum used Amsterdam as his main
Speaker 2: port in and out of Europe. It was important that
Speaker 2: we stopped there. We're only there for a short time,
Speaker 2: but absolutely on a mission. So for those of you
Speaker 2: who don't know this part of the story. In my
Speaker 2: mum's postcards and letters, what she writes is next stop Amsterdam,
Speaker 2: and she wanted to go and see Vincent van Goo's sunflowers.
Speaker 2: So we headed there to see what we can find
Speaker 2: if there's any evidence of her making it there, because
Speaker 2: at this point we don't know she got there or not.