1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoja Production. 2 00:00:13,801 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Missing Matter podcast. We have been 3 00:00:18,601 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: busy since we started this. We've talked about rolling with 4 00:00:22,921 --> 00:00:25,081 Speaker 2: the punches and all the hoops have had to go 5 00:00:25,161 --> 00:00:28,921 Speaker 2: through to get the documentation doing the dog search of 6 00:00:29,121 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: looking for my mum's body in two locations in northern 7 00:00:32,081 --> 00:00:35,521 Speaker 2: New South Wales. We've headed to Japan and now we're 8 00:00:35,601 --> 00:00:38,761 Speaker 2: heading to London. We we're here for only a very 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:45,401 Speaker 2: short span of time, okay, So we are about twenty 10 00:00:45,441 --> 00:00:49,241 Speaker 2: five minutes out of Gatwick, so we've been on the 11 00:00:49,321 --> 00:00:54,761 Speaker 2: plane transiting now from Japan for close to twenty hours hits. 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,041 Speaker 2: I'm going to be one o'clock UK time when we 13 00:00:58,161 --> 00:01:02,681 Speaker 2: touch down, which will be about nine o'clock Japan time 14 00:01:03,321 --> 00:01:07,601 Speaker 2: and ten pm Australian time, so we're definitely on the 15 00:01:07,601 --> 00:01:10,841 Speaker 2: other spectrum as of now for the rest of the 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,321 Speaker 2: journey until we transit back. So we left Dubai and 17 00:01:15,761 --> 00:01:19,561 Speaker 2: I've got air tags in every piece of my luggage 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,561 Speaker 2: and I'm quite concerned that my suitcase was actually showing 19 00:01:24,601 --> 00:01:27,281 Speaker 2: that he was left behind, and I got a notification 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: as we were on the tarmac saying it was left behind. 21 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:35,961 Speaker 2: So I'm really hoping like everything that my bag is 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,161 Speaker 2: actually on this flight and it's going to come off 23 00:01:38,161 --> 00:01:41,041 Speaker 2: with me when we arrive, Otherwise I'm going to cry. 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,881 Speaker 3: Fifteen after. 25 00:01:49,241 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Three, thank you. 26 00:01:53,681 --> 00:02:01,081 Speaker 2: We've got two nights here. Of course it's raining again. 27 00:02:01,761 --> 00:02:05,601 Speaker 2: And we arrived to our accommodation, which it was a 28 00:02:05,601 --> 00:02:08,041 Speaker 2: little average, just a little. 29 00:02:08,681 --> 00:02:11,281 Speaker 1: There was these little bugs that were vine did well, 30 00:02:11,441 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: you did so well with the coom. 31 00:02:13,481 --> 00:02:15,761 Speaker 2: So the problem with this accommodation was I had books 32 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:18,041 Speaker 2: somewhere right, and we kept bouncing. I'm like, are we 33 00:02:18,081 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: going to be closer to the library? We closer to here? 34 00:02:21,161 --> 00:02:23,121 Speaker 2: And I was really trying to go back and forth. 35 00:02:23,201 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: And what the problem that Joany and I came across with, well, 36 00:02:26,841 --> 00:02:29,601 Speaker 2: what I came across with booking accommodation was we really 37 00:02:29,641 --> 00:02:32,561 Speaker 2: wanted to have our own beds, which is understandable, and 38 00:02:32,841 --> 00:02:34,361 Speaker 2: a lot of the places, if you were staying in 39 00:02:34,361 --> 00:02:37,641 Speaker 2: a hotel, they actually didn't offer double beds in any 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,801 Speaker 2: of the hotels we were looking at all through Europe 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,161 Speaker 2: and the UK. So we opted to go to Airbnb's 42 00:02:43,321 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: and this place had mold on the roof, like had 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: really great reviews. One of those ones I had really 44 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,881 Speaker 2: pretty pictures and things like that. The bedroom where this 45 00:02:53,201 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: was the other bedroom. Johnny walked in and went, there 46 00:02:55,481 --> 00:02:59,281 Speaker 2: is not I just cannot I'm staying in. It had 47 00:02:59,281 --> 00:03:00,681 Speaker 2: a weird feeling about it. 48 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,321 Speaker 1: It was weird. 49 00:03:01,361 --> 00:03:03,841 Speaker 4: It was like a closet, but it just had a 50 00:03:03,881 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 4: weird vibe about it. 51 00:03:05,441 --> 00:03:07,481 Speaker 2: So I just chose to sleep on the cap. Joanie 52 00:03:07,481 --> 00:03:10,321 Speaker 2: didn't sleep. She was up at all hours of the night, 53 00:03:10,841 --> 00:03:12,721 Speaker 2: and I kept thinking to myself, You've got to sleep 54 00:03:12,761 --> 00:03:16,321 Speaker 2: because we've just bounced from Tokyo and it's actually a 55 00:03:16,361 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: long way, like we had to stop over in Dubai 56 00:03:19,121 --> 00:03:20,681 Speaker 2: and by the time you get off, you get on 57 00:03:20,721 --> 00:03:23,721 Speaker 2: a train. We were out at Gatwick, so because we 58 00:03:23,721 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: were coming back through Gatwick, so we flew in there 59 00:03:26,161 --> 00:03:28,281 Speaker 2: as well. Then we had to catch a train. We 60 00:03:28,321 --> 00:03:30,001 Speaker 2: had no idea what train we were getting on. We 61 00:03:30,081 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: just jumped on a train randomly and hope it's the best. 62 00:03:36,521 --> 00:03:40,081 Speaker 2: Got out at the Victoria station, we grabbed ourselves pass 63 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:42,961 Speaker 2: yes because Johnie had never been to London and I said, 64 00:03:43,121 --> 00:03:46,561 Speaker 2: this is like a pasty place that's totally very UK, 65 00:03:46,881 --> 00:03:49,001 Speaker 2: and she's like, yes, can we please get one? So 66 00:03:49,041 --> 00:03:52,241 Speaker 2: we grabbed that, got now Uber and went to our accommodation, 67 00:03:52,721 --> 00:03:55,321 Speaker 2: So that night was just really we walked around to 68 00:03:55,401 --> 00:03:56,641 Speaker 2: try and get some food. 69 00:03:57,121 --> 00:03:59,841 Speaker 4: I thought it would be a nice little park walk, 70 00:04:00,001 --> 00:04:02,401 Speaker 4: just to stretch our legs, and of course it was 71 00:04:02,401 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: a cemetery. 72 00:04:03,241 --> 00:04:05,761 Speaker 2: And then the graves were like explode out of the ground. 73 00:04:05,881 --> 00:04:09,121 Speaker 2: They were some big part. It was all a bit Gaulish, 74 00:04:09,321 --> 00:04:12,201 Speaker 2: wasn't it. And the main two things we had to 75 00:04:12,241 --> 00:04:16,121 Speaker 2: do in the UK was go to the British Library yep, 76 00:04:16,201 --> 00:04:17,521 Speaker 2: and go to Sphinx. 77 00:04:17,961 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: Well, the British Library has a whole complete room which 78 00:04:21,801 --> 00:04:26,681 Speaker 4: is just pretty much newspapers media. A lot of it 79 00:04:26,721 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: is online, a lot of it is electronically resourced, so 80 00:04:31,561 --> 00:04:33,681 Speaker 4: to be able to get in there and actually just 81 00:04:33,801 --> 00:04:38,041 Speaker 4: putting keyword searchers rather than having to physically go through 82 00:04:38,041 --> 00:04:43,281 Speaker 4: newspapers or physically flick through microfish, which you know, if 83 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,681 Speaker 4: you do that for too many hours, your eyes literally 84 00:04:45,761 --> 00:04:49,801 Speaker 4: go square and blurry and you start having your eyelids 85 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,481 Speaker 4: flutter and crazy stuff. So what we were going there 86 00:04:52,521 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: for was to access all the British newspapers because that 87 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,241 Speaker 4: was a big hole within the whole scenario. Again, this 88 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:03,801 Speaker 4: was probably focusing more on Rick Bloom than your mum. 89 00:05:04,241 --> 00:05:06,801 Speaker 4: So a lot of people had looked through newspapers in 90 00:05:06,801 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: that ninety seven period, particularly around Tunbridge Wells Burwash, that 91 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,841 Speaker 4: Sussex kind of area, looking to see if there was 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,561 Speaker 4: any clues. But when we heard the inquest that the 93 00:05:17,641 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: family had lived in Burwash, that was of interest to 94 00:05:21,361 --> 00:05:26,041 Speaker 4: me to see whether there was any media about things 95 00:05:26,081 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 4: that had happened over the time when they were living 96 00:05:28,681 --> 00:05:32,761 Speaker 4: there within Burwash itself, if there was anything sort of 97 00:05:32,761 --> 00:05:35,561 Speaker 4: that we could query and take back to Australia, and 98 00:05:35,681 --> 00:05:39,681 Speaker 4: also of course searching all the different aliases that Rick 99 00:05:39,721 --> 00:05:41,921 Speaker 4: Bloom had had over the years to see whether there 100 00:05:41,961 --> 00:05:42,921 Speaker 4: was anything. 101 00:05:44,041 --> 00:05:46,441 Speaker 1: Great. So we have eleven reading rooms here. 102 00:05:46,561 --> 00:05:50,601 Speaker 5: They're all divided by subject across three floors something particularly 103 00:05:50,601 --> 00:05:51,121 Speaker 5: in the study. 104 00:05:51,561 --> 00:05:53,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've already worked out what floors and 105 00:05:53,641 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: everything in me to okay. 106 00:05:55,201 --> 00:05:57,241 Speaker 1: Yeah, so first thing you have to do is pronounce 107 00:05:57,281 --> 00:05:59,401 Speaker 1: and Loggia got through things, aren't yeh? 108 00:06:00,041 --> 00:06:01,121 Speaker 2: That you read the rules? 109 00:06:01,201 --> 00:06:02,081 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had loved that. 110 00:06:02,241 --> 00:06:06,361 Speaker 2: All right, good umbrellas leave the bag there? Yeah quit, Yeah, 111 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,281 Speaker 2: that pencil up. 112 00:06:09,401 --> 00:06:12,161 Speaker 1: You're all sat okay, perfect? I was as bad. 113 00:06:13,601 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: Well, I've been doing this for a long time. 114 00:06:16,001 --> 00:06:16,241 Speaker 4: Thank you. 115 00:06:16,361 --> 00:06:17,881 Speaker 1: Very much saving fantasy. 116 00:06:19,081 --> 00:06:20,841 Speaker 2: Then we go and we put our bags in at 117 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,961 Speaker 2: the cloak room. They give you a plastic bag. You 118 00:06:24,081 --> 00:06:27,241 Speaker 2: can only fill that bag with clear things, so you 119 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,921 Speaker 2: can't have a pencil case. You've only got to have 120 00:06:29,081 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: loose pens. It was pretty serious stuff. I was quite 121 00:06:32,241 --> 00:06:34,641 Speaker 2: shocked at how serious it all was. And we come up. 122 00:06:34,681 --> 00:06:37,041 Speaker 2: We're trying to open the massive door to get into 123 00:06:37,361 --> 00:06:42,321 Speaker 2: the access area and it's all temperature controlled because of 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,961 Speaker 2: the stuff that's held in there, which is fascinating, right, Like, 125 00:06:46,241 --> 00:06:49,281 Speaker 2: I've learned so much in this journey. So we go 126 00:06:49,481 --> 00:06:51,201 Speaker 2: in and we go up to the desk and you 127 00:06:51,681 --> 00:06:53,921 Speaker 2: introduced to the guy that we've actually got a booking 128 00:06:54,201 --> 00:06:57,001 Speaker 2: and that you had done what do you call it again. 129 00:06:57,121 --> 00:06:58,961 Speaker 1: Order it up, ordered up, you'd ordered up. 130 00:06:58,961 --> 00:07:01,281 Speaker 2: Some files and some things. And we rock up to 131 00:07:01,401 --> 00:07:06,681 Speaker 2: the desk and the guy tells us sorry, there's been 132 00:07:06,721 --> 00:07:09,681 Speaker 2: a cyber attack. You can't access anything. 133 00:07:11,361 --> 00:07:13,401 Speaker 1: To listening. 134 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:20,481 Speaker 6: We just like to operate one of the computers just 135 00:07:20,561 --> 00:07:22,521 Speaker 6: to online newspaper resources. 136 00:07:22,681 --> 00:07:24,721 Speaker 3: Unfortunately we have nor computer access. 137 00:07:24,881 --> 00:07:26,481 Speaker 2: They're all really. 138 00:07:30,921 --> 00:07:36,401 Speaker 3: Wow, is a criminal microphone? 139 00:07:36,921 --> 00:07:41,281 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we'll just come from Australia to access what 140 00:07:41,401 --> 00:07:42,241 Speaker 1: if you play that. 141 00:07:45,121 --> 00:07:49,441 Speaker 5: Is anything taking And she's lousially uk on the holiday 142 00:07:49,961 --> 00:07:50,801 Speaker 5: and came back. 143 00:07:51,841 --> 00:07:54,161 Speaker 1: We're just trying to sort some thoughts over here. An 144 00:07:54,241 --> 00:08:04,761 Speaker 1: individual she was with travel some other records, some data records. 145 00:08:04,481 --> 00:08:10,521 Speaker 6: For yeah, So we were just wanting to come in 146 00:08:10,721 --> 00:08:13,361 Speaker 6: and actually access what sort of beefers that you were 147 00:08:13,441 --> 00:08:17,921 Speaker 6: talking about nineteen ninety seventh, June ninety ninety seven. 148 00:08:17,961 --> 00:08:19,801 Speaker 1: Like, it's not a big window that we're looking for, 149 00:08:20,241 --> 00:08:20,481 Speaker 1: so that. 150 00:08:20,961 --> 00:08:23,801 Speaker 3: We usually a digital microone. We lost Dools as well 151 00:08:24,441 --> 00:08:28,841 Speaker 3: his own issues. There was a malicious say what's tape 152 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:34,761 Speaker 3: from a people buy just washing? Where are by the washers? 153 00:08:35,961 --> 00:08:39,601 Speaker 2: So that kind of left us in alert. My god, well, 154 00:08:39,641 --> 00:08:41,881 Speaker 2: we had planned to go there for five hours. You 155 00:08:41,961 --> 00:08:43,921 Speaker 2: were telling me it's going to take us five hours 156 00:08:43,961 --> 00:08:46,601 Speaker 2: to get through this. We had everything ready ready to 157 00:08:46,721 --> 00:08:49,641 Speaker 2: rock and roll, and it was really a case that 158 00:08:49,841 --> 00:08:53,921 Speaker 2: we literally had to just go with some newspapers on microfish. 159 00:08:54,441 --> 00:08:56,881 Speaker 2: So you and I sat there going through that. I 160 00:08:56,961 --> 00:09:00,201 Speaker 2: remember finding things and we were looking for nineteen ninety seven. 161 00:09:00,281 --> 00:09:02,361 Speaker 2: We weren't too worried about what had happened before that 162 00:09:02,761 --> 00:09:06,081 Speaker 2: or post. We were really just focusing very tightly on 163 00:09:06,201 --> 00:09:10,121 Speaker 2: that to see what we could find. And I remember 164 00:09:10,201 --> 00:09:13,881 Speaker 2: you were probably looking for any criminal activity that had 165 00:09:13,961 --> 00:09:17,441 Speaker 2: been reported in the newspapers. Yes, I was sort of 166 00:09:17,961 --> 00:09:20,641 Speaker 2: me being me. I was going, oh, that's when Lady 167 00:09:20,681 --> 00:09:23,241 Speaker 2: Diana died, and there's the article. Like, the newspapers were 168 00:09:23,241 --> 00:09:26,641 Speaker 2: obviously flooded with all of that, which happened just shortly 169 00:09:26,721 --> 00:09:29,401 Speaker 2: after my mum had left to go overseas. I didn't 170 00:09:29,401 --> 00:09:30,721 Speaker 2: know she was missing at that point. 171 00:09:31,241 --> 00:09:35,401 Speaker 7: We have reports from Paris that Diana, Princess of Wales 172 00:09:35,481 --> 00:09:38,361 Speaker 7: has been killed in a car accident. They were apparently 173 00:09:38,441 --> 00:09:41,801 Speaker 7: being pursued by paparazzi on two motorcycles. 174 00:09:42,601 --> 00:09:45,681 Speaker 2: It was interesting. We walked away there feeling a little 175 00:09:45,721 --> 00:09:49,281 Speaker 2: bit flat. Yeah, what we'd planned to do had been 176 00:09:49,641 --> 00:09:53,321 Speaker 2: floundered by who would have thought a Russian cyber attack 177 00:09:53,561 --> 00:09:56,721 Speaker 2: who went in and stole all their information. And he 178 00:09:56,881 --> 00:09:59,601 Speaker 2: was telling us about, you know, how the staff had 179 00:10:00,161 --> 00:10:01,721 Speaker 2: I'm like, why would they want to do this? And 180 00:10:01,801 --> 00:10:03,801 Speaker 2: he said, oh, well, you know, people have to register 181 00:10:03,921 --> 00:10:07,521 Speaker 2: to come into the place with their passports, their driver's license. 182 00:10:07,561 --> 00:10:09,561 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, great, so we've just given them 183 00:10:09,561 --> 00:10:12,041 Speaker 2: all our information and you're telling me now that you've 184 00:10:12,121 --> 00:10:14,441 Speaker 2: just been caught out with a cyber attack on a 185 00:10:14,601 --> 00:10:17,921 Speaker 2: very high level, and hence it could be years before 186 00:10:18,241 --> 00:10:22,041 Speaker 2: that information is allowed to be back online for them 187 00:10:22,121 --> 00:10:24,321 Speaker 2: to actually fix it all. So I remember you saying 188 00:10:24,401 --> 00:10:27,201 Speaker 2: to me, well, let's just go to Sphinx, it's down 189 00:10:27,241 --> 00:10:29,841 Speaker 2: the road, and we were like, okay, we're on a mission. 190 00:10:30,361 --> 00:10:33,241 Speaker 2: So the other thing that we experienced, like you asked 191 00:10:33,601 --> 00:10:37,001 Speaker 2: to order up some more information and the lady said 192 00:10:37,041 --> 00:10:38,521 Speaker 2: to us, we can get it, but it's going to 193 00:10:38,561 --> 00:10:41,361 Speaker 2: take two days, and we just didn't have two days 194 00:10:41,401 --> 00:10:45,161 Speaker 2: because we were literally about to go to Amsterdam. So 195 00:10:45,881 --> 00:10:48,441 Speaker 2: I remember we posted something. We must have posted something, 196 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:51,801 Speaker 2: and a few people said, hey, I'm in London. Let 197 00:10:51,921 --> 00:10:54,601 Speaker 2: me know. I can always go back. If you miss 198 00:10:54,641 --> 00:10:56,481 Speaker 2: out on something, I can always go back. So we 199 00:10:56,601 --> 00:10:58,321 Speaker 2: might have to call on some of you guys. 200 00:10:58,721 --> 00:11:01,921 Speaker 4: So in regards to the coin dealing, I just want 201 00:11:01,961 --> 00:11:05,321 Speaker 4: to take everybody back a moment, right to the start 202 00:11:05,521 --> 00:11:08,761 Speaker 4: of the coin dealing stuff, because you know, there was 203 00:11:08,841 --> 00:11:11,961 Speaker 4: many years there where obviously you didn't know where your 204 00:11:12,001 --> 00:11:15,161 Speaker 4: MAMO was, and then when Rick Bloom came along or 205 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:18,481 Speaker 4: Frederick de HEADEVERI it was quite early in the piece 206 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:23,121 Speaker 4: when we found out that he actually had a company 207 00:11:23,201 --> 00:11:26,601 Speaker 4: called Balaner Coin invest. Sort of thought there could be 208 00:11:26,841 --> 00:11:30,521 Speaker 4: a lot of stuff sitting behind the whole coin dealing thing. 209 00:11:30,921 --> 00:11:34,921 Speaker 4: What I did know was we had catalogs, we had invoicing, 210 00:11:35,241 --> 00:11:38,681 Speaker 4: we had bank details, we had dates of auctions, we 211 00:11:38,841 --> 00:11:42,601 Speaker 4: had dates that coins were bought and sold, how they 212 00:11:42,641 --> 00:11:46,401 Speaker 4: were sold. So we basically had almost like a bit 213 00:11:46,481 --> 00:11:50,121 Speaker 4: of a trail on a person that you wouldn't ordinarily get. 214 00:11:50,601 --> 00:11:53,761 Speaker 4: And then if we could overlay even his coin timeline, 215 00:11:54,321 --> 00:11:56,721 Speaker 4: we would be able to pinpoint exactly where he was. 216 00:11:58,481 --> 00:12:00,081 Speaker 3: Think is a twenty minute. 217 00:11:59,801 --> 00:12:03,601 Speaker 1: Walk away from him? Yeah, let's just go and think, well, 218 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:05,761 Speaker 1: let's go on head over there, always confined. 219 00:12:07,721 --> 00:12:11,081 Speaker 2: By this point, my stomach is growling one hundred miles 220 00:12:11,121 --> 00:12:14,241 Speaker 2: an hour. And on the way to Sphinx, we stopped 221 00:12:14,321 --> 00:12:17,201 Speaker 2: and had some Joe and the Juice. Yes, I introduced 222 00:12:17,281 --> 00:12:21,041 Speaker 2: Journey to the Juice and Tunicado sandwich. That was one 223 00:12:21,081 --> 00:12:23,721 Speaker 2: of my favorite things to eat there. But we needed 224 00:12:23,761 --> 00:12:26,401 Speaker 2: to keep fueling ourselves because otherwise we were going to 225 00:12:26,401 --> 00:12:28,321 Speaker 2: get sick and we were going to run out of 226 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:31,441 Speaker 2: gas essentially, so we had a quick bite to eat, 227 00:12:31,441 --> 00:12:35,161 Speaker 2: went to Sphinx and the reason that this had come 228 00:12:35,241 --> 00:12:38,441 Speaker 2: to our attention, I guess is some of the longtime 229 00:12:38,561 --> 00:12:43,521 Speaker 2: followers would remember Christina. She did some amazing investigation into 230 00:12:43,641 --> 00:12:46,841 Speaker 2: my mum and helping me in the UK. She was 231 00:12:46,921 --> 00:12:50,361 Speaker 2: based down in the south of London. She was actually 232 00:12:50,601 --> 00:12:53,561 Speaker 2: very helpful in helping us gain a lot of information. 233 00:12:54,201 --> 00:12:57,241 Speaker 2: And as we were going along, she'd come up with 234 00:12:57,321 --> 00:13:00,961 Speaker 2: this fantastic idea and spoken to a gentleman who worked 235 00:13:01,001 --> 00:13:03,921 Speaker 2: in the postal system, and on the back of the 236 00:13:04,001 --> 00:13:08,561 Speaker 2: postcards there were these little bluey purply lines that were 237 00:13:08,681 --> 00:13:11,441 Speaker 2: like a kind of like a barcode that ran over 238 00:13:11,521 --> 00:13:14,001 Speaker 2: the top of the stamp. And she'd spoken to him 239 00:13:14,081 --> 00:13:17,841 Speaker 2: and said, what are those? And they turned out to 240 00:13:17,921 --> 00:13:22,521 Speaker 2: be an identification of where that piece of mail was 241 00:13:23,001 --> 00:13:26,601 Speaker 2: posted and what time it was posted, and it sort 242 00:13:26,601 --> 00:13:29,161 Speaker 2: of came down to morning or afternoon. It wasn't like 243 00:13:29,241 --> 00:13:33,081 Speaker 2: a specific time as such, but we actually knew by 244 00:13:33,201 --> 00:13:35,881 Speaker 2: looking at those that we could get an idea of 245 00:13:36,001 --> 00:13:39,841 Speaker 2: where exactly Mum posted her letters. So I went down 246 00:13:40,121 --> 00:13:42,681 Speaker 2: to the local camera shop close to me. I had 247 00:13:42,721 --> 00:13:47,361 Speaker 2: to get them to do some really intense scans in 248 00:13:47,521 --> 00:13:50,681 Speaker 2: hires to get those as clear as possible for this guy, 249 00:13:50,921 --> 00:13:53,241 Speaker 2: and I ended up emailing them back to Christina. She 250 00:13:53,441 --> 00:13:55,641 Speaker 2: sent them to him and he came back with a 251 00:13:55,721 --> 00:13:59,641 Speaker 2: full record of where all the letters and the postcards 252 00:13:59,681 --> 00:14:02,681 Speaker 2: had been sent from and what stuck out to us. 253 00:14:02,841 --> 00:14:06,521 Speaker 2: You were able to work out that Sphinx, which is 254 00:14:06,561 --> 00:14:11,321 Speaker 2: a massive coin auction house, had an auction on the 255 00:14:11,481 --> 00:14:16,401 Speaker 2: same weekend in the same neighborhood of where Mum posted 256 00:14:16,521 --> 00:14:19,801 Speaker 2: her postcard back when she came back to London. 257 00:14:20,761 --> 00:14:22,001 Speaker 1: So we were like, wow. 258 00:14:22,761 --> 00:14:26,081 Speaker 2: And so what people who aren't familiar with in this 259 00:14:26,401 --> 00:14:30,241 Speaker 2: world of coins is there's a catalog, so when you 260 00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:35,161 Speaker 2: buy and sell these coins, it's actually all recorded. So 261 00:14:35,281 --> 00:14:37,561 Speaker 2: we were like, okay, well, let's go and suss out 262 00:14:38,001 --> 00:14:42,201 Speaker 2: that weekend in nineteen ninety seven and get the catalog 263 00:14:42,281 --> 00:14:47,401 Speaker 2: and see if anyone we're familiar with purchased or sold coins. 264 00:14:48,121 --> 00:14:50,601 Speaker 2: So we rock up, We come in the door, speak 265 00:14:50,641 --> 00:14:52,921 Speaker 2: to the man. He's like, you have to go up 266 00:14:52,961 --> 00:14:55,921 Speaker 2: the stairs here and go up to archive. 267 00:14:56,841 --> 00:15:00,361 Speaker 6: Hello, how are you look I'm looking for We've just 268 00:15:00,401 --> 00:15:04,401 Speaker 6: got SENTI from upstairs. I'm looking for the nineteen n 269 00:15:04,681 --> 00:15:08,921 Speaker 6: seven catalog. The option was against the new eleventh of 270 00:15:09,041 --> 00:15:14,801 Speaker 6: July do you have a copy of that it was 271 00:15:15,041 --> 00:15:17,161 Speaker 6: ancient and read Roman. 272 00:15:19,841 --> 00:15:23,321 Speaker 1: Yeahs yes, not no, not metals. I've actually got an 273 00:15:23,361 --> 00:15:24,481 Speaker 1: image of it out. 274 00:15:26,001 --> 00:15:26,641 Speaker 6: We are very. 275 00:15:28,321 --> 00:15:38,041 Speaker 1: But we can pick with you. Okay, thank you, Yes, 276 00:15:39,001 --> 00:15:41,001 Speaker 1: that's all right, thank you, thank you very much. 277 00:15:41,881 --> 00:15:44,281 Speaker 2: Bye, And she goes, let me just go and have 278 00:15:44,361 --> 00:15:47,321 Speaker 2: a look. She comes back and goes, I'm very sorry. 279 00:15:47,401 --> 00:15:51,801 Speaker 2: We actually don't have that one, like all of them 280 00:15:52,001 --> 00:15:55,921 Speaker 2: that they didn't have. But how many times happened that one? 281 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:57,921 Speaker 2: We want a page out of a booklet? Oh, that 282 00:15:58,041 --> 00:16:00,641 Speaker 2: page is missing? Actually, we're so sorry. Is that just 283 00:16:00,841 --> 00:16:03,801 Speaker 2: that has happened many times? It's urgeous. It's like the 284 00:16:03,841 --> 00:16:06,081 Speaker 2: gods are working against seriously. 285 00:16:06,161 --> 00:16:09,961 Speaker 5: Me was trying to get information or journey dis a 286 00:16:10,081 --> 00:16:13,561 Speaker 5: questionable recording what do you call them? Exuckle with a 287 00:16:13,681 --> 00:16:17,641 Speaker 5: spink catalog catalogs from the Spinks, And of course they 288 00:16:17,761 --> 00:16:23,441 Speaker 5: only hold on dad, it has no seven us at 289 00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:25,321 Speaker 5: a different location and. 290 00:16:25,441 --> 00:16:26,961 Speaker 1: It's not such be online. 291 00:16:27,721 --> 00:16:32,201 Speaker 2: Oh, dearie me, this just seems like an every time. Anyway, 292 00:16:32,401 --> 00:16:34,641 Speaker 2: we came back downstairs and we spoke to a really 293 00:16:34,721 --> 00:16:38,761 Speaker 2: nice guy and you had actually made up these little 294 00:16:38,841 --> 00:16:41,041 Speaker 2: cards which were information cards. 295 00:16:41,201 --> 00:16:41,801 Speaker 1: That's correct. 296 00:16:42,361 --> 00:16:44,601 Speaker 2: Just to let people know what we were doing, and 297 00:16:44,801 --> 00:16:47,041 Speaker 2: we sort of started handing them around. 298 00:16:47,521 --> 00:16:50,761 Speaker 4: Previously, when we'd done this stuff in Australia, we were 299 00:16:50,801 --> 00:16:54,001 Speaker 4: having to get out our phones, so when we interacted 300 00:16:54,081 --> 00:16:57,401 Speaker 4: with someone that may have known Rick Bloom, we were 301 00:16:57,441 --> 00:16:59,801 Speaker 4: having to get out our phones and then scroll through 302 00:16:59,921 --> 00:17:02,121 Speaker 4: to find images of him. 303 00:17:02,601 --> 00:17:03,321 Speaker 1: To show people. 304 00:17:03,521 --> 00:17:06,841 Speaker 4: So what we thought we would do is we would 305 00:17:06,881 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 4: print a whole lot of postcards which had images of legal, 306 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 4: publicly available images of Rick Bloom over his whole lifetime 307 00:17:15,681 --> 00:17:18,521 Speaker 4: from the early seventies right up until the present day. 308 00:17:19,521 --> 00:17:23,321 Speaker 4: We had the years set underneath each of those images. 309 00:17:24,241 --> 00:17:29,001 Speaker 4: We also had all of his primarily used aliases or 310 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 4: legal names that we used over that time, and then 311 00:17:33,721 --> 00:17:36,441 Speaker 4: we had an email address that people could contact if 312 00:17:36,561 --> 00:17:39,441 Speaker 4: they knew anything about the individual. 313 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,041 Speaker 1: So that was basically what it was. 314 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,641 Speaker 4: It was a quick grab for people to be able 315 00:17:44,721 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 4: to say, this is the individual that we're looking for. 316 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,241 Speaker 1: Do you know him, do you recognize him? Do you 317 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:51,801 Speaker 1: recognize any of his names? 318 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,281 Speaker 2: So there's so many dealings with him, any dealings with. 319 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,521 Speaker 4: Him, So it was just a really easy way to 320 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,241 Speaker 4: be able to do it without having to because it's 321 00:18:00,281 --> 00:18:04,281 Speaker 4: a difficult thing to actually explain to people right without 322 00:18:04,441 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 4: them thinking that we've literally lost our minds, and not 323 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 4: just that like. 324 00:18:08,441 --> 00:18:11,321 Speaker 2: Every time for me having to repeat the story all 325 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: the time, it's actually quite difficult and mentally draining as 326 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,041 Speaker 2: well to have it in a snapshot and hand it 327 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,681 Speaker 2: over and say yeah, this is the reason why we're here. 328 00:18:21,561 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 8: Of course obtually on the ip I a PM watch 329 00:18:26,201 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 8: this yeah over in Europe. So as far as coinage goes, yeah, we've. 330 00:18:33,041 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: Spoken listed dealers and they know him. Yeah, all right, 331 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:42,801 Speaker 1: it's something. 332 00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:53,761 Speaker 9: Yes And unfortunately no, no, no, because I guess why 333 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,321 Speaker 9: we want that is because we actually sold a lot 334 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:00,481 Speaker 9: of his collection in twenty twelve food Gin and so 335 00:19:00,801 --> 00:19:04,521 Speaker 9: if he sold something from purchased it's been in the 336 00:19:04,681 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 9: July than we've kind. 337 00:19:06,441 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Of got in in the area. And see, yeah, it 338 00:19:11,681 --> 00:19:12,481 Speaker 1: was quite effective. 339 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,001 Speaker 4: Like we did it in English, we did it in Luxembourgish, 340 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: and we had German, French and English, so they were 341 00:19:20,721 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 4: used as a bit of a way to be able 342 00:19:22,441 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 4: to get the story out quickly and easily without us 343 00:19:26,001 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: having to explain all this stuff and fumble around with 344 00:19:28,721 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: our phones. 345 00:19:29,801 --> 00:19:33,041 Speaker 2: So I guess coming back to Sphinx and the crux 346 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: of it all is did he attend the auction and 347 00:19:38,001 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: if so, that could link mum and him in the 348 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: same location in London, because remembering the coroner has said 349 00:19:44,801 --> 00:19:48,561 Speaker 2: in her findings that she believes they were together at 350 00:19:48,681 --> 00:19:52,001 Speaker 2: some point, but there's no real clarity again as to 351 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,721 Speaker 2: whether they were or not. And you know what's in that. 352 00:19:55,001 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: What comes out of that not a lot, right, Like 353 00:19:57,041 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: We'll be honest, but it's just interesting to put the 354 00:20:00,281 --> 00:20:02,281 Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle together, which at the end of 355 00:20:02,321 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: the day, if we can put that together a bit 356 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,041 Speaker 2: better and where we're at at the end of the findings, 357 00:20:07,201 --> 00:20:10,321 Speaker 2: that does help the situation for the story moving forward. 358 00:20:10,801 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 4: New South Wales police could go they could request the 359 00:20:14,241 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: records for Spink. So I guess that is where my 360 00:20:18,041 --> 00:20:22,161 Speaker 4: interest lies too, in that you've got Janet Oldenberg going 361 00:20:22,201 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: into Barry Cooper's book store and selling stamps allegedly on 362 00:20:26,761 --> 00:20:30,761 Speaker 4: behalf of Rick Bloom in Ballina, so he allegedly he 363 00:20:30,921 --> 00:20:34,241 Speaker 4: has sent women out to do his bidding. You've also 364 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: got in Belgium at the Elson Coins, You've got both 365 00:20:38,721 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 4: his cousin's widow going in there and they have confirmed 366 00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:46,001 Speaker 4: that she did make queries and purchase coins from them, 367 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,001 Speaker 4: So therefore that did occur. 368 00:20:49,681 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: And you've also got. 369 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: Gilaine too going in purchasing coins on his behalf, and 370 00:20:54,761 --> 00:20:58,041 Speaker 4: they have confirmed that that did occur. She did come 371 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: in and ask for a catalog, so I guess that 372 00:21:00,761 --> 00:21:05,241 Speaker 4: was also a major eye raising push for me. That 373 00:21:06,001 --> 00:21:10,681 Speaker 4: imagine if Spink had Florabella Ramchal asking for a catalog 374 00:21:11,201 --> 00:21:11,961 Speaker 4: or Marion. 375 00:21:11,681 --> 00:21:15,481 Speaker 1: Bardas two six two. 376 00:21:15,961 --> 00:21:19,801 Speaker 6: We have the nine hundred fifty on speed Live here, 377 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 6: so when they said would be more than. 378 00:21:22,521 --> 00:21:24,481 Speaker 1: Two thousand packs, one thousands. 379 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: Would be my next thing. 380 00:21:25,961 --> 00:21:29,001 Speaker 5: Prosize for nine hundred and fifty. 381 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,761 Speaker 2: Has Yes, we didn't get the catalog because it wasn't 382 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: in archives, but you went onto eBay and you've actually 383 00:21:38,801 --> 00:21:43,401 Speaker 2: found it on eBay and you've accessed it. So we're 384 00:21:43,441 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: obviously very busy doing this right now. But there's a 385 00:21:46,721 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: lot to go through in those catalogs, so I'm sure 386 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: you're still going through that at the moment. We haven't 387 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,561 Speaker 2: really kind of got to that point yet, but we 388 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,521 Speaker 2: will tell everyone. We'll do a post on Facebook and 389 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,721 Speaker 2: let everyone know if there's any juicy bits in there 390 00:21:57,761 --> 00:22:00,201 Speaker 2: that we need to look further into. 391 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,081 Speaker 1: That's right. 392 00:22:01,761 --> 00:22:05,241 Speaker 2: We post everything in two different locations on Facebook. Look 393 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: a bit like the cyber attack. My Facebook page was 394 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: shut down a majority of so I've actually not been 395 00:22:11,241 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: able to post anything on there for over a year now, 396 00:22:14,561 --> 00:22:17,321 Speaker 2: and no matter how hard I've tried to get better 397 00:22:17,561 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: to let me access my mum's page again. I'm not 398 00:22:21,241 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 2: sure who did what, but someone has said something and 399 00:22:24,481 --> 00:22:27,001 Speaker 2: that has put a stop on me posting photos or 400 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,321 Speaker 2: doing lives and things like that. But I tend to 401 00:22:30,521 --> 00:22:34,801 Speaker 2: now post over on Instagram under missing person marrying Barter. 402 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,761 Speaker 2: Then I share it to missing person marrying Butter on Facebook. 403 00:22:38,801 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: But we also have a group which people can come 404 00:22:41,681 --> 00:22:43,361 Speaker 2: in and have a chat about, so we do talk 405 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,521 Speaker 2: a lot about this sort of thing inside that group. 406 00:22:46,041 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to encourage everybody to make sure we answer 407 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,521 Speaker 2: all the questions because so many people get turned away 408 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,161 Speaker 2: on the daily who are trying to join because they're 409 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: not answering the questions. So there are questions there just 410 00:22:55,921 --> 00:22:58,161 Speaker 2: to protect the group and the integrity of the group, 411 00:22:58,241 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 2: and we want to make sure that everyone's following the rules. 412 00:23:00,441 --> 00:23:03,761 Speaker 2: It is an investigation, if I use those terms loosely, 413 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: but we want to just protect the integrity of the case. 414 00:23:06,201 --> 00:23:09,241 Speaker 2: So that's why those questions are really important. And you know, 415 00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:11,681 Speaker 2: it's a really good community in there and people can 416 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: come on over and learn all about the nitty gritty 417 00:23:15,201 --> 00:23:17,041 Speaker 2: side of things over in that space. 418 00:23:17,321 --> 00:23:22,001 Speaker 4: And that is called the Missing Matter Marion Matters Podcast 419 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 4: discussion group. 420 00:23:23,041 --> 00:23:25,041 Speaker 2: We just changed it, so come and join us. We'd 421 00:23:25,041 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: love to meet you in that space. 422 00:23:31,681 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: What we're doing now, this is part of the journey. 423 00:23:35,561 --> 00:23:38,721 Speaker 4: So you've got to think like the past five years, 424 00:23:38,801 --> 00:23:39,281 Speaker 4: Like I'm. 425 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,761 Speaker 1: Excluding what happened three five years ago. 426 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,681 Speaker 10: The past five years there has been so many hurdles, 427 00:23:46,921 --> 00:23:54,041 Speaker 10: as so many black holes, stop signs, shut doors, refusals, 428 00:23:54,201 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 10: europeadic rubbish. That basically what we're demonstrating now is that 429 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 10: it continues. So whether it's in Australia, whether it's in Japan's, 430 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 10: whether it's in the. 431 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,401 Speaker 1: UK, it's continue. 432 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,721 Speaker 10: So people are going to say, Okay, white isn't white, 433 00:24:10,801 --> 00:24:13,761 Speaker 10: isn't in such and such, fine, they're missing family member, 434 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 10: or we are illustrating exactly why that happens. 435 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,281 Speaker 2: It's so frustrating, you know, to get that letter to 436 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,761 Speaker 2: arrive at home while I'm here for Chris is ended 437 00:24:25,801 --> 00:24:29,321 Speaker 2: to me with Ato saying that they can't find anything 438 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,481 Speaker 2: about my mum on their system when they were looking 439 00:24:32,521 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 2: for Flora Bella, when I clearly said the situation for 440 00:24:36,441 --> 00:24:38,561 Speaker 2: them to come back and go We've looked under Florabella 441 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: Ramaca and there's nothing here. Sorry. So I'm wondering if 442 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,681 Speaker 2: we if I reach out to Vincy Arne and see 443 00:24:44,721 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: if she'll meet us, to go to the Belgian police 444 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,401 Speaker 2: and chat with them about the current situation and maybe 445 00:24:52,521 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: put a welfare check in for the coroner. Yeah, just 446 00:24:56,961 --> 00:25:00,681 Speaker 2: for the record, we're sitting at farm Girls. We've got 447 00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: high t books this afternoon, which I wanted to do 448 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: for month. She loves so she would really love to 449 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: go and get some tea and spawn some things. So 450 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,521 Speaker 2: we're going to do that at Convent Garden. The high 451 00:25:11,521 --> 00:25:14,121 Speaker 2: Tea for me was a really special time for mum 452 00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: because my mum loved doing that and I thought she 453 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,361 Speaker 2: would love it. We were in Convent Garden, we had 454 00:25:19,681 --> 00:25:22,321 Speaker 2: half an hour to ourselves, so I'd booked us to 455 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: have high tea and we're up on the rooftop looking down. 456 00:25:24,761 --> 00:25:27,961 Speaker 2: It stopped raining for half a second, so we got lucky. 457 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,521 Speaker 2: But I wanted to talk about another idea that I've 458 00:25:31,561 --> 00:25:33,801 Speaker 2: got coming in and loop this in because it's kind 459 00:25:33,801 --> 00:25:36,481 Speaker 2: of relevant, right most people might know that I was 460 00:25:36,561 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: talking about doing the Missing Matter Walk for Mum and 461 00:25:40,801 --> 00:25:43,881 Speaker 2: the Missing in October this year for Mum's eightieth birthday. 462 00:25:44,761 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: I've had close to sixty people come into a group 463 00:25:48,521 --> 00:25:51,681 Speaker 2: on my WhatsApp and we've been working tirelessly to try 464 00:25:51,761 --> 00:25:54,561 Speaker 2: and work out how to do this and how we 465 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,601 Speaker 2: would get through it from a legality point of view. 466 00:25:57,201 --> 00:26:00,521 Speaker 2: And I hate to say it, but I think I 467 00:26:00,681 --> 00:26:03,281 Speaker 2: just got pipped at the post for this because it 468 00:26:03,441 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: was just bigger than Ben hur for me. We had 469 00:26:05,521 --> 00:26:08,481 Speaker 2: people doing walks in Scotland, in London, down in the 470 00:26:08,561 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: South of UK over in New Zealand, we had people 471 00:26:12,201 --> 00:26:15,001 Speaker 2: up in Seattle. Laura Richard said she wanted to do 472 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,201 Speaker 2: one on the beach in Santa Monica, and we had 473 00:26:18,281 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 2: all of the major cities and locations around Australia who 474 00:26:21,761 --> 00:26:24,441 Speaker 2: wanted to get involved in doing this walk. But unfortunately 475 00:26:24,521 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 2: there is so much red tape and you know, hating 476 00:26:27,481 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 2: to have indemnity insurance up to twenty million dollars on 477 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,441 Speaker 2: each particular walk to cover us if someone hurt themselves 478 00:26:34,481 --> 00:26:36,761 Speaker 2: if they tripped over hurt their ankle, and it was 479 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,801 Speaker 2: just becoming so difficult, and some of the emails that 480 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,001 Speaker 2: we had, like I know Charlotte over in the UK 481 00:26:42,521 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: in London, she was like saying, we want to get 482 00:26:44,721 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: from here to here, but we're going to have to 483 00:26:46,201 --> 00:26:48,721 Speaker 2: walk through this area here to get here. And they're 484 00:26:48,721 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: coming back going, oh, but if you want to have 485 00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:53,041 Speaker 2: something in that spot, you're going to have to register 486 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,881 Speaker 2: and book in a time and she's like, we don't 487 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,241 Speaker 2: want to have it there, we just want to walk 488 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,761 Speaker 2: through it. It was just so much drama and it 489 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,521 Speaker 2: really got to the point for me where I was 490 00:27:01,521 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: getting very stressed about it. I've been dealing with my 491 00:27:04,281 --> 00:27:06,281 Speaker 2: dad as well over the beginning of the year, and 492 00:27:06,321 --> 00:27:08,281 Speaker 2: that's when we were supposed to be working on this. 493 00:27:08,521 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: My dad ends up with vascular dementia and we have 494 00:27:11,321 --> 00:27:13,521 Speaker 2: to get him sorted and bring him up to Queensland 495 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,561 Speaker 2: and find him care and that has really become my 496 00:27:16,721 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: focus for the first quarter of this year essentially, so 497 00:27:20,721 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: the walks had to be put back on a bit 498 00:27:22,961 --> 00:27:25,241 Speaker 2: of a back burner. But then while I'm in the 499 00:27:25,241 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: Blue Mountains, I organized a very quick catch up with 500 00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: some of mum's closest friends, some of the people she 501 00:27:31,001 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: taught with, and some of her students who I'm friends 502 00:27:33,481 --> 00:27:36,001 Speaker 2: with because we were in the same year at Springwood 503 00:27:36,001 --> 00:27:38,321 Speaker 2: Primary School. And we had a lunch and it was 504 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: just funny because we were talking, especially mum's friends. I 505 00:27:41,681 --> 00:27:44,241 Speaker 2: were talking about how much my mum loved having tea 506 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,321 Speaker 2: and how one of Mum's really good friends she had 507 00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:50,041 Speaker 2: me over for a cup of tea and she served 508 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: me hurt my tea and a mug and she said, oh, 509 00:27:52,561 --> 00:27:55,001 Speaker 2: your mother would have a heart attack that I'm serving 510 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: you a cup of tea in a mug. I said, well, 511 00:27:57,681 --> 00:28:00,321 Speaker 2: Mum's not here, so that's okay. And we were sort 512 00:28:00,321 --> 00:28:02,961 Speaker 2: of laughing and joking around how much my mum loved 513 00:28:03,521 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: high tea and having a beautiful cup and saucer to 514 00:28:06,201 --> 00:28:07,041 Speaker 2: drink your tea from. 515 00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:07,801 Speaker 10: And so. 516 00:28:09,481 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: When that happened, and I was looking at her friends 517 00:28:11,681 --> 00:28:15,321 Speaker 2: and I'm like, they're all turning eighty, and would they 518 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: really be able to do a really big walk for her, Like, 519 00:28:18,041 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that I included her friends 520 00:28:20,721 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: in this mix, her sisters as well, if they'd like 521 00:28:22,961 --> 00:28:26,281 Speaker 2: to come and they're all getting older, so it sort 522 00:28:26,281 --> 00:28:27,961 Speaker 2: of dawned on me that maybe I could do a 523 00:28:28,041 --> 00:28:31,801 Speaker 2: high tea instead, And so then I had this idea 524 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: of doing high te's all over the universe and the 525 00:28:34,681 --> 00:28:37,241 Speaker 2: spots that everybody had agreed to do the walks. The 526 00:28:37,321 --> 00:28:39,641 Speaker 2: girls were like, yep, I'm on board with it, let's 527 00:28:39,721 --> 00:28:42,281 Speaker 2: do a high tea instead. And then I start going 528 00:28:42,321 --> 00:28:45,321 Speaker 2: through the process of that. I've contacted the Hilton and said, 529 00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:47,961 Speaker 2: maybe we could do the same hotel chain all over 530 00:28:48,121 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: the place, and that might keep it a bit easier 531 00:28:50,601 --> 00:28:53,641 Speaker 2: for me, But of course my ideas are always bigger 532 00:28:53,641 --> 00:28:56,041 Speaker 2: than ben her and turned out that I would have 533 00:28:56,241 --> 00:29:00,201 Speaker 2: to pay a room fee for each of the hotels 534 00:29:00,441 --> 00:29:03,801 Speaker 2: prior to even putting the ticket sales out there, and 535 00:29:03,961 --> 00:29:06,401 Speaker 2: so I added it up and it was going to 536 00:29:06,521 --> 00:29:09,241 Speaker 2: be over ten thousand dollars that I would have to 537 00:29:09,361 --> 00:29:12,641 Speaker 2: fork out of my pocket to book these high Tea's 538 00:29:12,801 --> 00:29:15,841 Speaker 2: all over the world, with no real idea as to 539 00:29:16,001 --> 00:29:18,401 Speaker 2: who would actually want to come. So I was a 540 00:29:18,481 --> 00:29:21,761 Speaker 2: bit nervous about that. So I've come to the conclusion 541 00:29:21,881 --> 00:29:25,121 Speaker 2: that there's a beautiful house which is a Queenslander. We 542 00:29:25,241 --> 00:29:27,441 Speaker 2: actually had Ella's twenty first there a couple of years ago, 543 00:29:27,481 --> 00:29:30,881 Speaker 2: and it's absolutely stunning and totally my mum's vibe. And 544 00:29:31,401 --> 00:29:34,121 Speaker 2: Marissa there has said that she has one hundred and 545 00:29:34,201 --> 00:29:37,721 Speaker 2: twenty tea cups that we can use and some little stands, 546 00:29:37,721 --> 00:29:40,801 Speaker 2: so we're actually going to have high tea there and 547 00:29:40,921 --> 00:29:43,521 Speaker 2: I'm actually going to be putting ticket sales out for that, 548 00:29:44,001 --> 00:29:47,161 Speaker 2: probably at the end of July. Okay, so by the 549 00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:49,561 Speaker 2: time you're listening to this, you'll be seeing lots about 550 00:29:49,601 --> 00:29:52,041 Speaker 2: that coming up in the mix on socials. But you 551 00:29:52,121 --> 00:29:53,681 Speaker 2: know what, I haven't had a chance to have a 552 00:29:53,801 --> 00:29:56,561 Speaker 2: memorial for my mum. So I've gone through all of 553 00:29:56,681 --> 00:30:01,321 Speaker 2: these processes, I've you know, finalized her life in a nutshell, 554 00:30:01,521 --> 00:30:04,081 Speaker 2: but I don't have a body, you know. I spoke 555 00:30:04,161 --> 00:30:07,121 Speaker 2: to counsel here in Brisbane and they told me that 556 00:30:07,281 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: there's a memorial site that they've set up for missing 557 00:30:10,521 --> 00:30:13,081 Speaker 2: persons in a cemetery on the north side of Brisbane 558 00:30:13,441 --> 00:30:16,041 Speaker 2: and it looks really beautiful. Like granted, it looks lovely, 559 00:30:16,401 --> 00:30:18,081 Speaker 2: but I just said to him, I'm not going to 560 00:30:18,201 --> 00:30:21,361 Speaker 2: go to a cemetery. My mom's not there. I don't 561 00:30:21,401 --> 00:30:23,001 Speaker 2: know where she is. I would like to sit on 562 00:30:23,081 --> 00:30:27,001 Speaker 2: a seat and look out somewhere for my mum, because 563 00:30:27,001 --> 00:30:29,001 Speaker 2: I know she's out there somewhere. So for me, that 564 00:30:29,201 --> 00:30:32,161 Speaker 2: was the vision that I had and how the missing 565 00:30:32,281 --> 00:30:34,641 Speaker 2: matter was growing in my mind. So if we wind 566 00:30:34,681 --> 00:30:36,121 Speaker 2: all the way back to a year ago when I 567 00:30:36,201 --> 00:30:39,281 Speaker 2: started the walks, this has all come about, really I remember. 568 00:30:39,681 --> 00:30:42,961 Speaker 2: So the idea with the seats is the High Tea 569 00:30:43,001 --> 00:30:46,281 Speaker 2: will be a fundraiser to pay for seats to go 570 00:30:46,561 --> 00:30:49,841 Speaker 2: into locations and I might even only raise enough money 571 00:30:49,881 --> 00:30:54,041 Speaker 2: for one seat if everybody comes, and we're looking at 572 00:30:54,081 --> 00:30:57,121 Speaker 2: that last weekend in September. The details will be all 573 00:30:57,241 --> 00:31:00,281 Speaker 2: on our facebooks, groups and socials and we're not quite 574 00:31:00,321 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: ready to launch that yet, but just so you know, 575 00:31:02,321 --> 00:31:04,881 Speaker 2: it's in the wings if you're interested in coming. So 576 00:31:05,561 --> 00:31:09,841 Speaker 2: hopefully it will be a wonderful event as a memorial 577 00:31:09,961 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: for my mum, something that my children can come to 578 00:31:12,361 --> 00:31:14,641 Speaker 2: as well and go, wow, this is for my grandmother 579 00:31:15,201 --> 00:31:18,561 Speaker 2: and it's somewhere special that we can always drive past 580 00:31:18,601 --> 00:31:20,921 Speaker 2: and think, you know, that's where we had her memorial 581 00:31:21,081 --> 00:31:23,601 Speaker 2: for her and a memory for her. And then the 582 00:31:23,721 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: money from there, I'm hoping will be enough and we 583 00:31:26,281 --> 00:31:29,081 Speaker 2: can do these seats which I'm planning them to be green, 584 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:32,281 Speaker 2: so anyone will know that's mum's color. So a green 585 00:31:32,361 --> 00:31:34,641 Speaker 2: bench seat and on the seat it will stay the 586 00:31:34,721 --> 00:31:38,361 Speaker 2: missing matter, and we'll have a QR code there next 587 00:31:38,401 --> 00:31:40,441 Speaker 2: to it that someone sits down to have a rest. 588 00:31:41,001 --> 00:31:43,401 Speaker 2: So people who are walking their dogs and walking around, 589 00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:45,481 Speaker 2: who are not going to go to a cemetery to 590 00:31:45,561 --> 00:31:47,761 Speaker 2: go and think about the missing, if they sit on 591 00:31:47,841 --> 00:31:49,601 Speaker 2: the chair and go what's that about and scan the 592 00:31:49,721 --> 00:31:52,361 Speaker 2: QR code, the QR code will take them to the website. 593 00:31:52,681 --> 00:31:56,081 Speaker 2: And we're going to start asking families with missing persons 594 00:31:56,161 --> 00:31:58,321 Speaker 2: to give us a story and a photograph and we 595 00:31:58,401 --> 00:32:01,161 Speaker 2: can put it onto the website and people can just 596 00:32:01,241 --> 00:32:03,801 Speaker 2: look at it and go, oh, there's missing people here 597 00:32:03,881 --> 00:32:06,961 Speaker 2: and this is their story. And who knows who might 598 00:32:07,081 --> 00:32:10,161 Speaker 2: see something or go, oh, I remember her, I remember 599 00:32:10,201 --> 00:32:14,281 Speaker 2: something about that. So that's my mindset right. I haven't 600 00:32:14,361 --> 00:32:17,481 Speaker 2: told Joni much of this where she's going, oh, because 601 00:32:17,681 --> 00:32:19,881 Speaker 2: she's been busy helping me with other things, and I said, 602 00:32:20,001 --> 00:32:22,601 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let you help me over here. I've 603 00:32:22,681 --> 00:32:24,801 Speaker 2: got these amazing people over here who are going to 604 00:32:24,841 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: work in this space. So it has been amazing. I 605 00:32:27,281 --> 00:32:30,001 Speaker 2: want to shout out to those guys because that team 606 00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: in that little group awesome, awesome humans. And we did 607 00:32:33,561 --> 00:32:35,841 Speaker 2: get like there was a couple like Sydney had massive 608 00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:38,641 Speaker 2: numbers to do the walk, and we had massive amount 609 00:32:38,641 --> 00:32:40,081 Speaker 2: of people who wanting to do it in Melbourne, but 610 00:32:40,081 --> 00:32:42,361 Speaker 2: I couldn't find anybody to run it down there. And 611 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,921 Speaker 2: just to clarify, on Sunday, the fifth of October, in 612 00:32:47,001 --> 00:32:50,041 Speaker 2: the morning, I am going to do a walk. It's 613 00:32:50,121 --> 00:32:53,521 Speaker 2: not planned, so there'll be no ticket sales or anything 614 00:32:53,641 --> 00:32:56,241 Speaker 2: like that. It'll just simply be that I'm going for 615 00:32:56,361 --> 00:32:59,601 Speaker 2: a walk. I'll be wearing green. If anyone else wants 616 00:32:59,641 --> 00:33:01,601 Speaker 2: to go for a walk, We're going to ask everybody 617 00:33:01,801 --> 00:33:06,401 Speaker 2: around the world to walk on that day, just in 618 00:33:06,521 --> 00:33:08,601 Speaker 2: their own space, in their own time. It's also a 619 00:33:08,641 --> 00:33:11,321 Speaker 2: public holiday that weekend, so we were like, people probably 620 00:33:11,321 --> 00:33:14,081 Speaker 2: will be away and now they can STI. They can 621 00:33:14,201 --> 00:33:15,561 Speaker 2: just go for a walk on their own. It's not 622 00:33:15,641 --> 00:33:18,081 Speaker 2: a plan to walk. Were put on some green and 623 00:33:18,601 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: take a photo of themselves or a video with their 624 00:33:20,521 --> 00:33:22,241 Speaker 2: friends if they're going with their friends or their dog, 625 00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:25,521 Speaker 2: and just do a hashtag the missing matter and we 626 00:33:25,561 --> 00:33:28,321 Speaker 2: will collate it all together and we'll do something special 627 00:33:28,481 --> 00:33:31,401 Speaker 2: on socials with that which we haven't had a lot 628 00:33:31,441 --> 00:33:33,801 Speaker 2: of downtime. But we did meet Jade last night. So 629 00:33:33,961 --> 00:33:36,401 Speaker 2: Jade came and met us and we went for a 630 00:33:36,481 --> 00:33:41,081 Speaker 2: really beautiful dinner at a little Mediterranean place sim Paddington. 631 00:33:41,361 --> 00:33:43,921 Speaker 2: There and her friend Emma came. They've caught the coach, 632 00:33:44,081 --> 00:33:46,961 Speaker 2: traveled for three hours, taken a couple of days off 633 00:33:47,001 --> 00:33:50,961 Speaker 2: work to come and meet us. Jade had this beautiful 634 00:33:51,001 --> 00:33:53,681 Speaker 2: little key ring maid that has Mum's picture of her. 635 00:33:53,801 --> 00:33:55,521 Speaker 2: So she asked me a while ago what my favorite 636 00:33:55,521 --> 00:33:57,561 Speaker 2: photo of Mum was, and I sentive the one I 637 00:33:57,601 --> 00:34:00,321 Speaker 2: thought I liked the most, and to my surprise, she 638 00:34:00,441 --> 00:34:03,641 Speaker 2: had actually organized to have that sort of lazy, isn't 639 00:34:03,681 --> 00:34:06,481 Speaker 2: it onto like a little plat which is a key 640 00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:08,721 Speaker 2: ring with some wings, and she said, you know, to 641 00:34:08,801 --> 00:34:11,841 Speaker 2: keep you safe on your travels. So so nice, like 642 00:34:11,921 --> 00:34:16,561 Speaker 2: the people I've met, just amazing, very kind, very nice people. 643 00:34:17,041 --> 00:34:19,841 Speaker 2: Big thanks Tama and Jade for making the effort to 644 00:34:19,961 --> 00:34:23,401 Speaker 2: come and hang out with us and have some dinner 645 00:34:23,761 --> 00:34:26,801 Speaker 2: after what was a very busy day yesterday, frustrating day, 646 00:34:27,801 --> 00:34:30,641 Speaker 2: amongst other things, trying to get information that just doesn't 647 00:34:30,681 --> 00:34:32,881 Speaker 2: seem to want to help us. The gods are not 648 00:34:33,761 --> 00:34:36,801 Speaker 2: willing at this moment. So anyway, I off to have 649 00:34:37,401 --> 00:34:39,601 Speaker 2: our coffee. It's on its way, and I was like 650 00:34:39,641 --> 00:34:40,321 Speaker 2: a Koda. 651 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: In the next episode of The Missing Matter. 652 00:34:46,401 --> 00:34:48,761 Speaker 2: So we're only in Amsterdam for a short period of time, 653 00:34:49,041 --> 00:34:53,201 Speaker 2: and the main reason is there's more coin dealers there 654 00:34:53,441 --> 00:34:56,841 Speaker 2: that we wanted to go and have a chat with. 655 00:34:57,681 --> 00:35:01,001 Speaker 2: We know that Rick Blum used Amsterdam as his main 656 00:35:01,361 --> 00:35:04,041 Speaker 2: port in and out of Europe. It was important that 657 00:35:04,121 --> 00:35:06,801 Speaker 2: we stopped there. We're only there for a short time, 658 00:35:06,961 --> 00:35:10,761 Speaker 2: but absolutely on a mission. So for those of you 659 00:35:10,841 --> 00:35:13,961 Speaker 2: who don't know this part of the story. In my 660 00:35:14,161 --> 00:35:20,481 Speaker 2: mum's postcards and letters, what she writes is next stop Amsterdam, 661 00:35:21,601 --> 00:35:24,921 Speaker 2: and she wanted to go and see Vincent van Goo's sunflowers. 662 00:35:25,881 --> 00:35:28,321 Speaker 2: So we headed there to see what we can find 663 00:35:29,241 --> 00:35:31,961 Speaker 2: if there's any evidence of her making it there, because 664 00:35:32,001 --> 00:35:34,441 Speaker 2: at this point we don't know she got there or not.