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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to Bounce Forward with me, Tiff Paul.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: in which I'm recording this podcast, the WERENDR people of

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Speaker 1: the Pooler Nation. I pay my respects to elders past

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Speaker 1: and present. Welcome to part two of my chat with

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Speaker 1: Celia Pacola. Let's jump straight back into it. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you, Celia, about your relationship with health and

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Speaker 1: fitness over the years. Yeah. I'm really curious because you're

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Speaker 1: on the same season of Dancing with the Stars as

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Speaker 1: my husband, and Ed said, no one trained as hard

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Speaker 1: as you, and you were so dedicated, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: I reckon, she trains every day or something like, what's

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Speaker 1: your whole thing about?

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Speaker 2: Like now anymore? I miss it? So okay, my body

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Speaker 2: changed entirely. I felt like an athlete.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I was so fit, but I got injured and I

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Speaker 2: got taped up and I had fish was coming to

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Speaker 2: give me stuff.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was the best. I really felt like an athlete.

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Speaker 2: But it's and it just made me go, Oh, anyone

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Speaker 2: could become a like an action star, you know, and

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Speaker 2: you see they'd be like they're like incredible bodies, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, that's someone who gets up every day

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Speaker 2: and their whole day is doing that.

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Speaker 3: Because that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: I woke up every day and I danced every day.

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Speaker 2: Turns out, doing eight to nine hours of cardio every

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Speaker 2: day for three months changes your body. So it was

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Speaker 2: absolutely incredible, but obviously not sustainable, I mean, apart from

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Speaker 2: anything else. As soon as the season finished, we went

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Speaker 2: straight into lockdown, which sucked. So it's the fittest of

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Speaker 2: them in my whole life. I had all these new

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Speaker 2: outfits that I wore on the couch.

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Speaker 3: And you won?

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Speaker 1: You won that?

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Speaker 3: Oh I won? Yes, yes, you.

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Speaker 2: Did ed and I will both contest that Claudia Carbon

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Speaker 2: was robbed, but it's our own fault because you didn't

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Speaker 2: have an Instagram account.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you won, you won fair and squares Celia good.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like it's like I think you know

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Speaker 2: It's like I think I won because I had the

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Speaker 2: biggest journey, you know, because I wasn't I'd never done

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Speaker 2: anything like it before. I wasn't fit at all, and

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Speaker 2: I totally went all in with extra stuff too, like

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Speaker 2: setting myself I think I was thirty seven when I

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Speaker 2: did the challenge of being able to do the splits.

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Speaker 3: By the end, I didn't need to do that. That

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Speaker 3: was a ridiculous thing that I just said. I pretty

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Speaker 3: much did it. I can't do it anymore, but I

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Speaker 3: pretty much did it.

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Speaker 2: So I really, for me generally, over my whole life

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Speaker 2: of fitness, it's not it's I'm not very good at it,

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Speaker 2: but when I have done it, I really like it.

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Speaker 3: I went through a period maybe it was after Lockdown

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Speaker 3: before no during Lockdown.

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Speaker 2: Well hit it's called XO is the place that I

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Speaker 2: would go to in Richmond, which is like a forty

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Speaker 2: five things, and I loved that. I loved I love

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Speaker 2: I need someone. I need to go somewhere and have

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Speaker 2: the fitness happen to me. Otherwise it's not it's not

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Speaker 2: going to happen. People go, oh, it's so convenient. You

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Speaker 2: can have this thing do it at home. And I've

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Speaker 2: downloaded and I try them, but I don't. I need

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Speaker 2: someone with me. I need to be in a class.

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Speaker 2: And I found they were great because they were very

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Speaker 2: varied and hard, but with enough rest. I liked them

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Speaker 2: a lot like I did those less Mills ones for

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Speaker 2: a while as well, but I found them very boring

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Speaker 2: after a while. It was very same anyway, So I

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Speaker 2: liked that. I liked feeling strong. And then for a

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Speaker 2: little while I ran for a while and I really

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Speaker 2: enjoyed running. That was when I was dating Dara. There

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Speaker 2: and just to impress him, I ran ten k I

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Speaker 3: Half marathon once around the ten just im pretty easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really liked running, but that's the one thing

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Speaker 2: I can't since the baby. My hips have been real bad,

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Speaker 2: which wasn't a thing that I'd ever tried. But basically

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Speaker 2: I would like to be more for I really I

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Speaker 2: know that it's I feel better when I do it,

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Speaker 2: but it's just finding the time.

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Speaker 3: It's just finding the keep Celia. It's really fine.

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Speaker 2: Well, because it's the easiest thing to It's the same

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Speaker 2: with meditation. It's the same with reading a book. It's

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Speaker 2: the same with anything that comes down to being stuff

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Speaker 2: for you. It's the easiest thing to cancel.

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Speaker 3: It is it's so hard. I get it.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned your hips, and you do change physically

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Speaker 1: after you have a baby. There's stuff that it's never

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Speaker 1: quite the same. But you mentioned mental health. How do

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Speaker 1: you look after your mental health? I think that's really

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Speaker 1: important for people to understand because you just can't you

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Speaker 1: can't give that away because then everything falls apart.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's it. That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: If you keep doing that, you can do it. You

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Speaker 2: be like okay, well I'll skip it. You know, someone

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Speaker 2: said this, it's about what you do most of the

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Speaker 2: time if you can just keep it just mostly I'm

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Speaker 2: always doing walking like things that I can do, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. But how to look after my

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Speaker 2: mental health. Look, there's a lot of different things, which

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Speaker 2: I did a documentary called The Truth about Anxiety, which

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Speaker 2: is I think on SBS, which is one of the

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Speaker 2: things I said when I did it was I wanted

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Speaker 2: it to have actual practical stuff in there so people

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Speaker 3: But for me personally, like.

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Speaker 2: A few things I've accepted, it's something that I have

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Speaker 2: to manage because that's when it's gotten the worst is

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Speaker 2: when I've gone I'm cured, and then I stopped doing

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Speaker 2: accepting that as much as it sucks, it's always part

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Speaker 3: All the time, even if you're in a pretty good place.

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Speaker 2: Yeap.

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Speaker 3: A combination physical stuff is really is great as.

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Speaker 2: We as we really know, even in even if it's

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Speaker 2: rumination is bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: A combination of things, talk, therapy, writing things out, but

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Speaker 2: trying anything and everything. Something that works for you won't

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Speaker 2: work for something else, and something that might have worked

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Speaker 2: family time has been really good for that as well.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea what was going to happen to

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Speaker 2: me when I had a kid. Mentally, I was really

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Speaker 3: Oh it's a real shock.

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Speaker 2: I was really expecting to be to dig that because

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Speaker 2: I have a history of both.

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Speaker 3: But no, it was the intrusive thoughts.

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Speaker 3: But that's I've got.

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Speaker 2: You know, everything's a lot better with that now. But

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Speaker 2: I find it's really good for my mental health. Just

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Speaker 2: being with her and having play with her and family

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Speaker 2: time away from that really does help you be in

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Speaker 2: the moment, the same way that exercise does or meditation does.

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Speaker 2: It all seems to be about being grounded in the moment,

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Speaker 2: and however you can do that, whether that's this is

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Speaker 2: also another one where art comes into it, that flow state.

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Speaker 2: So it's the same way that you might be distructed

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Speaker 2: I'm really in the groove when time goes like that,

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Speaker 2: which I think it's just getting in the flow. Whatever

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Speaker 1: It is such good advice. I haven't heard of that before.

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Speaker 1: The flow state.

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Speaker 2: Well you know that fifth that what people say, But

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Speaker 2: the documentary as well as it's like for art therapy,

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Speaker 2: it's just getting out of yourself. I also heard this

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Speaker 2: other thing on what but the sho I've been trying

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Speaker 2: people have different different ways to approach their their inner voice.

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Speaker 2: Like some people like to make it, pretend it's so silly,

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Speaker 2: trying to help. And I just try and go, can

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Speaker 2: you just get out of my way? If I could

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Speaker 2: when you try and stop it completely, it just you

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Speaker 3: I see you what you red, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: listen to you. Yeah? Is that a thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So my last question.

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Speaker 1: Everyone sees you on tally and you're so successful Celia,

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Speaker 1: and you're you're like so such a cool girl, Like

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Speaker 1: just everyone's cool girl. Everyone wants to be you, and

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Speaker 1: you're juggling all the time. So I just wanted to ask,

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Speaker 1: how do you juggle it all? You know, you're a mom,

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Speaker 1: you're on tally, you're a stand up.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're doing so much. You're writing, you're hosting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know you just what do you do?

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Speaker 3: How do you do? You? You juggle? Like that's I

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Speaker 3: think that's really I just get good at well.

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Speaker 2: You just you just you just do it because you

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Speaker 2: just find a way. It's like before I had a kid,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, how are people doing that? And now I

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Speaker 2: see people with two kids.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, how are you doing that? And it's

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Speaker 3: just because you just do because you just have to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my partner and I you just use all

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Speaker 2: of the tools that are available to you. If something's

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Speaker 2: generally not going to work, that it wouldn't work, Like

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Speaker 2: if if I wouldn't have done thing, God you hear,

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Speaker 2: if it wasn't possible, if we couldn't have gone right,

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Speaker 2: we look at it and we go, is it possible?

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Speaker 2: Can we divide our time? Do we have enough support?

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Speaker 2: Do we have enough? Like when we did the first season.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think we Hey Google, turn on

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Speaker 3: the light. It's getting to ducking. You should also watch

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you got to get about tough time.

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Speaker 1: It is a tough time when you first have the baby.

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Speaker 3: But can you tell me things? How are you No,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just what you can do. I'll be

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Speaker 3: doing like three squats in the kitchen. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: It does, do it, Celia, there's a little.

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Speaker 3: Five minutes, you know, strengthy five minute birth. You know,

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Speaker 3: Is that Cavali?

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Speaker 1: That's perfect? He's dancing in the corner.

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Speaker 3: Hi, buddy, I just up this podcast. Yeah, I have

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Speaker 3: to hello. Can I get some icy col Can's coke? Please?

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Speaker 3: We haven't we're talking so much about you. I can't believe.

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Speaker 3: Have you talking about the dancing with the start? Yes,

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Speaker 2: I really miss it. I wish I could do eight

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Speaker 3: You were an athlete.

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Speaker 1: That's what I told you.

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Speaker 3: When you talk to Celia, I tell her she was

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Celia, thank you so much for joining me today

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Speaker 1: to you, and thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm message you probably for advice on how yeah my

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Speaker 1: I wore them for ages after I had the baby.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thanks

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Speaker 3: Happy Days,