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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, in the mid season break, we're ranking

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Speaker 5: thoughts you know, it is very strange. It's after a

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, but let's start before we get

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Speaker 1: to our interview in our rankings, which we will take

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Speaker 1: straight off the top. Yes, the eternal, eternal subject.

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Speaker 5: Can I go first?

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Speaker 1: so far. Alex, it's great to see.

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Speaker 2: You right now. I love it. It's great to be

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Speaker 1: Doing very well the mid season? Never quite in the

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Speaker 4: It's been interesting to go into a two horse race,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a really nice thing to have because

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Speaker 1: Be fascinating to see how that resolves itself. If you

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Speaker 1: You at home, undoubtedly will have your own in your

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Speaker 1: We're also going to be like this as high school rules.

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Speaker 1: But we'll take it on turns to choose our team.

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Speaker 1: And what kind of hosts would we be, Alex if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oscar piastre very close between him and Maxistappen.

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Speaker 4: I think most would have said Lando Norris. So for

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Speaker 2: That I think is the frightening thing.

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Speaker 4: For everyone else so far this season he has stepped

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Speaker 1: Where did you have him?

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Speaker 5: Mike? We're just out of curiosity because I think we

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Speaker 5: It was the United States Grand Prix of twenty twenty three. Wow,

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Speaker 5: I think that speaks to a little what you were

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Speaker 4: It was Budapest last year that came in strange circumstances.

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Speaker 2: He's just improved in so many facets of his driving.

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Speaker 4: Like year one, he had the speed, he was able

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Speaker 4: At he's home race from Oscar, He's really really started

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Speaker 2: It's cool that it's cool.

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Speaker 4: That you're telling us the whole positions, but I won't

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Alex. I want to then you forgive us for indulging

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in all honesty, his if you think of different

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Speaker 4: Now his card controlling close combat is ridiculous. And then

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Speaker 1: to come regardless of how this season pans out. But

435
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 1: let's move on from Oscar Piastre. If I'm allowed to

436
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: say that on the Australian Fox Sports podcast, Matt, you

437
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,159
Speaker 1: are not a guest, but I guess I've taken a

438
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: hosting role here, so I suppose I must give you

439
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Speaker 1: pick number two.

440
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Speaker 5: Before we get into pick number two, Michael, can I

441
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 5: just explain a little bit of the rationale here behind

442
00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,679
Speaker 5: this list that I've beautifully created In about seven words,

443
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 5: I actually came up with six different tiers. My first

444
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 5: one to four were pretty obvious. Tier five was a

445
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 5: driver all by themselves, Six to nine were in their own.

446
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 5: Tier ten was in his own tier. There was a

447
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 5: tier called eleven to twenty two, and then there was

448
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 5: a last tier called lant Stroll.

449
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: So that's where I am. It was the twenty third

450
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: ranks driver.

451
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Speaker 5: It's only because I couldn't It's only because I couldn't

452
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 5: rank him twenty fourth, Michael. But now that you've been

453
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 5: so kind to give me the number two pick in

454
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 5: this draft, and Alex mentioned that it's an either or question,

455
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 5: I think it has to be Max for Stappen. We

456
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,239
Speaker 5: know that he's third in the World Championship, but you

457
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 5: look at what he did early in the season. I

458
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 5: think it's actually looking better the further we get away

459
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 5: from the beginning of the season with those two early wins.

460
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 5: But the stat for me ninety four point nine percent

461
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 5: of his team's points. And the thing I keep thinking

462
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 5: with Max for Stappan is it's not so much what

463
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 5: he's doing. Let's put another driver in that car this year.

464
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 5: Let's just say for the sake of this exercise, that

465
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 5: Max for Stapfen doesn't exist, and you've got random other

466
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 5: driver next to first Liam Lawson and then Yuki Sonoda.

467
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 5: Where's Red Bull in the Constructor's Championship they're probably ahead

468
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 5: of Alpine, Are they ahead of anyone else? I'm really

469
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: not sure. And so you look at what Verstappen's done

470
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 5: in what he has had to drive at the beginning

471
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 5: of the year, it was probably a better car relative

472
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 5: to the rest that it is now. That to me

473
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 5: is the reason he has to be number two on

474
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Speaker 5: the on this list, because I don't think his level

475
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 5: has dropped at all. Is testament to how good his

476
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 5: level is. That he's managed to drag the performances out

477
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 5: of this car that he has.

478
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean number two. I mean you've sort of

479
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: already hinted or suggested that number two was also Max

480
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: for staff and Alex. But for me, I've got I've

481
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: I've dissented from this. Maxis Staff no third pick for me,

482
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: so I'm interested. I don't know. I guess I'll give

483
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: away my pick number two, but it kind of gives

484
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: away who I'm going to pick for number three. But

485
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: I had George Russell as the second best before. But Alex,

486
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: what you'll take on Max for Staffen's season in the

487
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: first year we've seen a long time, which he does

488
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: not have the kind of car that can take him

489
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: to a Driver's Championship.

490
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think he realistically knew that, So that's

491
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 4: the first point to start with. He would have known

492
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: very very early on that he was fighting in the

493
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 4: same way he was at the back end of last season.

494
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 4: And he knows in his heart of hearts that okay,

495
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: the McLaren drivers might split their points like nineteen eighty

496
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: six style, two thousand and seven style, but he knows

497
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 4: that he's on an unlikely tilt so to produce the

498
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 4: pole app that he did into Zuka to hold both,

499
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 4: they had both McLaren's and his wheel tracks off Intozuka,

500
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: that epic start to.

501
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 2: The race in Imola, as well the fact he took

502
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: pole position in Miami.

503
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 4: I mean, at this stage of the season, when it's

504
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 4: zero sung between the two McLaren's, he was stealing old

505
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 4: positions and Grand Prix victories in the way that only

506
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 4: an all time great can. It's as simple as that.

507
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 4: You just got it with Senna and Schumacher. We saw

508
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 4: it with Hamilton, especially in these early McLaren days, where

509
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 4: he was just able to win races that others were not.

510
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: You're seeing it again here.

511
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 4: Maxistafin could easily have gone winless pollless for the entire season.

512
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 4: The fact he won't do that keeps that run going

513
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: of winning in every season since twenty sixteen.

514
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: Just masterful.

515
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: There are some races where he was ahead of the

516
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 4: McLarens that he just should not have been, and that

517
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: type of performance. Those are the drives that you remember.

518
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: And the fact he was committed enough to still be

519
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: in the mix is still doing that. He's fighting and

520
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 4: losing battle and he knows it, and he still picked

521
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 4: off a couple of wins between now and the end

522
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 4: of the year. So that's why it's my number two

523
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 4: because he easily could have had if you look at

524
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 4: the points in the other car, as was referenced, he

525
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 4: easily could have just found himself going, I've won four

526
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 4: in a row. I'm exhausted, like it can take a

527
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 4: nice easy season. Remember Vettel season after four in a

528
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: row would have been very similar, not bad, but not

529
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: winning races. Daddy Ricky all the winning in twenty fourteen.

530
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: So that's why he's my number two.

531
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: I like that Bettle analogy. Actually it's one I hadn't

532
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: considered that. Obviously, different circumstances, different teammates very much so

533
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: but there is an element of you could easily have

534
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: put in quite an average season so far and got

535
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: away with it. Really probably got away with it even

536
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: more than Mettle did, but has not committed to that.

537
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 5: So judging by that, Michael, it sounds like you've got it.

538
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: Sounds like the Stappens. You're number three. But so given

539
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 5: that you do have the number three pick, perhaps you

540
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 5: should mention the name you've already mentioned, because I think

541
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 5: that's where you're going for your second pick, isn't it.

542
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was close, and my top three was

543
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: very close to be here. I think, as we've all suggested,

544
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: this has been a tight top of the field. But

545
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: it's George Russell's number two for me or number three,

546
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: I guess in our ranking I'll cop that. But I

547
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: think I've been really impressed, and it's a step that

548
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: started perhaps halfway through last season. It's been really solidified

549
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: now that Mercedes is very He much relied on him

550
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: having a rookie in the other side of the garage.

551
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: He's just so dependable now in a way that even

552
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: about a year ago, I don't think he was. Like

553
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: we think back to Canada, maybe that's close to eighteen

554
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: months ago now last year, you know, that was a

555
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: victory that had gone begging for Mercedes at the time,

556
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: but through him and at Leando nos at the same

557
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: at the time sort of fumbled the chance and Maxis

558
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: Staffan was able to come through for a victory at

559
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: that time. This year, Canada, I thought was the perfect

560
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: reply to that, in which he was absolutely flawless. And

561
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: it's not only in Canada, but there's almost no race

562
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: other than well, you can't even say Monica. It was

563
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: a technical problem in qualifying that deprived him. There can't

564
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: really think of any major eraror he's made this year

565
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: in which Mercedes has allowed points to slip past in

566
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: one race maybe in Miami, where he wasn't quite on

567
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: Antonalli's levels, strangely enough, the only time this year that

568
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: hasn't really happened other than that, a car that's been

569
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: so hot and cold this year as much probably as

570
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: almost any Mercedes gone the last few years, despite the

571
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: positive start of the season they've had, has just been

572
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: so rock solid in a way that I think ablishes

573
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: him in that upper to you. In a way we

574
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: knew he had the potential to be, but I think

575
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 1: is only really in the last twelve months really proved

576
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: so he was my number two, but he is our

577
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: number three.

578
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, Michael, I've got few notes to add

579
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 5: to that. My George Russell category on my list here

580
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 5: just says a man who has very few bad days,

581
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: and it just feels that he is just almost the

582
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 5: most dependable if you're not driving a McLaren, the most

583
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: dependable guy on the Gridford knowing where he's going to be.

584
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: He's the gap between his best days and his worst

585
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: days is pretty narrow, and that's not something you can

586
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 5: say for a lot of people on this list.

587
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: And only fifteen points behind the staff on the Championship

588
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: at this point, which I think is also indicative in

589
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: a car Why don't know, Alex have insted in your take,

590
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: but I guess on average a CARVA has not been

591
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: as good as the Red Bull's had some better days

592
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: than the Red Bull, but I think that's quietly impressive.

593
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: His closeness to the staffen on the title table.

594
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is impressive, and I think we've got to

595
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: add into the fact that he's had the contract hanging

596
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: over his head all season long as well, and honestly

597
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: seeing it on the ground, it was beginning to affect.

598
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Him at some races.

599
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: So the fact that he's kept that consistency in performance,

600
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: it's got to stop going for these dry tired gambles.

601
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: Was not this again, honestly, Like you see Charlote and

602
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: George in for the Slicks earlier and you're like, not

603
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: this again, guys, this doesn't come on so that race,

604
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: there's no need for this. But yeah, the yeah, apart

605
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: from that, and and Monaco, which you know, just the

606
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 4: nature of qualifying did for him. Then no, to to

607
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: get that win pole position and win and just keep

608
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 4: the rest of the field on the end of the

609
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: jab in Canada was very very impressive, stealing front rows

610
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 4: when he's got no right to as well, very very

611
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 4: similar in that regard to the Staben And yeah, and

612
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: with the Mercedes team that haven't been certain of the

613
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: of the design direction of the car, which has been

614
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: a facet of the last couple of seasons as well.

615
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, deserved placing for George Russell and his best

616
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: season so far.

617
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: I think in F one, Yes, I think that's a

618
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: solid top three if nothing else. But Alex, we're back

619
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: to you if you want to take us away with

620
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: number four for the second round of picks.

621
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, feel a bit.

622
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 4: Harsh putting this guy at number four, but yeah, Lando

623
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 4: Norris driver who's won four Grand Prix so far this year,

624
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: the preseason title favorite according to the bookies, and the

625
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: reason that I have him lower down is just purely

626
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: because I expected him to have the season that Oscar

627
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Piastre has had. It's as simple as that. It's there

628
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: was a a he knew coming into this year what

629
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: the car was going to be capable of. I think

630
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 4: by the time that they realistically got to Bahrain and

631
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: saw the state that Red Bull rn that he would

632
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: have known that he had a brilliant opportunity. And essentially

633
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: I expected him to get the start that Oscar got.

634
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: Since then, he's had to go through a tough moment.

635
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: I think Saudi was a very very tough moment where

636
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: and this is, you know, not an easy thing to say,

637
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: but it did appear that the pressure was slightly getting

638
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 4: to him in that moment. He's come through really nicely,

639
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: obviously had the contact in Canada, but in the most

640
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: recent phase of the season looking like the Lando that

641
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: I think many expected to start the campaign. And some

642
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: really really close battles. Austria could have easily slipped through

643
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: his fingers, Hungry could have easily slipped through his fingers.

644
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: So a much better second second stint of the first

645
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: half of the season. But yeah, he's opening races are

646
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: the reason why I've got him lower down.

647
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair, Alex Michael. He was for context. He

648
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 5: was third on my list. He was ahead of Russell,

649
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 5: not by a lot, but he was third on my list,

650
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: ahead of Russell. And I was particularly impressed with the

651
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: response after Canada because that felt like, oh, this could

652
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 5: be one of those ted Pole moments of a season

653
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: we look back at and this is where things started

654
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 5: to unravel a little bit. He's won three in the

655
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 5: last four since then. Okay, Silveston was a gift with

656
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: a penalty and Hungary he played this strategy card of

657
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 5: someone who had nothing to lose because he had already

658
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: lost that race until he won it. So there is

659
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: context to two of those three wins in that span.

660
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: But the bounce back from Canada was something that I

661
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: wouldn't say that I had trust issues, but I didn't

662
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 5: necessarily see that coming based on what we've seen from him.

663
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 5: In the past it felt like it was something that

664
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 5: might linger for a little bit. So that's been really impressive.

665
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 5: But I think Alex summed it up really well. He's

666
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 5: had a perfectly acceptable season in a very good car.

667
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 5: But the season you expected him to have was perhaps

668
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 5: the more rock solid season that Piastre has had, and

669
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: it's for that reason that he falls on the list

670
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 5: for me. But it sounds like you might have him

671
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 5: a little bit higher, actually, sorry, a little bit lower

672
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 5: than me.

673
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: No, No, fourth was the fourth was where I had him,

674
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: because it's hard to put the guy's only nine points

675
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: behind the championship leader much lower than fourth. I think

676
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: we've identified some exceptionalscumstances and the guys that are ahead

677
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: of him. I think for me the differentiation is and

678
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I may I say this to me no disservice too

679
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: what he has showed us so far, But you could

680
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: the points Martin could even really go either way. I

681
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: mean at nine points, of course that's the case. But

682
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: for me, in the circumstances in which you go back

683
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: through the races and calculate how Norris could have ended

684
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: up ahead at this point, a lot of it is

685
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: more to do with mistakes on his part. If you

686
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: go back and find a way for Oscar be further ahead,

687
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: which could happen as we alluded to earlier, it seems

688
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: more like it's bad luck that's held him back a

689
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: little bit. And again I say that not to say why,

690
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, Norris should have been blown away or he's

691
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: been driving terribly, because as you said mat in the

692
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: last month or so, a lot of those mistakes that

693
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: cost him dearly are largely being eyed out so far. Well,

694
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: wait and see what it's the case after the break

695
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: as well. But for me, it feels like if the

696
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: gap was going to be bigger, it would largely be

697
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: because Oscar got a little bit better a rub of

698
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: the green, whether you're talking about Hungary. And again, take

699
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: nothing away from the great Norris drive he put in

700
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: there after that first lap or oh, of course a

701
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: British Grand Prix. Okay, we can talk about whether or

702
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: not a penalty falls into the luck category. But it's

703
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: very close. You know, this is a very close top four,

704
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: don't need two of them can win the title. So

705
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I guess if he wins it, he'll probably have to

706
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: go to number one. The big jump by the end

707
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: of the year and we redo the thankings. But it's

708
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: interesting to consider that he's down in fourth considering how

709
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: close this isn't like you said, Alex, how much he

710
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: was expected to be the title leader by this point.

711
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's.

712
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: An expectation thing that Lando's putting together his first full

713
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: championship campaign.

714
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: Right.

715
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: He had a tilt last year, but no one expected

716
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: for Stappen to see it would have been the largest

717
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: ever points collapse in the history of the World Championship.

718
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: If for Stappan had lost the title, It's just not

719
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: gonna happen.

720
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: It's just not gonna happen with the driver of the

721
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: Stappen's caliber and a team that we're used to winning

722
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: titles year in year out, had the expertise, and they

723
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: still had a lot of their big hitters in place

724
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: at that point.

725
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: You know, race management from.

726
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 4: Jonathan Wheatley on a race by race basis, as as

727
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: we've seen with self worth worth an awful lot.

728
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: So that was never that was never going to happen.

729
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: So this is his first full campaign and the one

730
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: caveat I would say is, you know, if you finish

731
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: strong and you have all the momentum at the end

732
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: of the year, you'd rather have it that way round

733
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: than get the strong start. But I did expect him

734
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: to get the start that Oscar gott and I think

735
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: that's why he's slightly lower on all of our lists.

736
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: Well, largely cordial, but I guess it's two to one

737
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: to keep him in fourth. So he is four. Matt,

738
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: tell me about your number five, I reckon.

739
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: We've spent a lot of time talking about Oscar Piastri

740
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: and other drivers ahead on this list. I don't think

741
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that need to be said

742
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: about this driver because he's fifth on my list, he's

743
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: probably fifth on yours, Alex, he's also probably fifth on yours.

744
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 5: He's in a category of one for me at Charla Clair,

745
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: I don't think he could be considered for my top four.

746
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: But he feels to me like he's a good way

747
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 5: ahead of all the rest of them, and particularly his

748
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: teammate will be interested to see where he comes up.

749
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: It kind of feels that he's just a nailed in fifth.

750
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: This is life for Charla Clair in twenty twenty five.

751
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 5: It's had its high points, it's not been as high

752
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: as he would quite like he has his teammate covered.

753
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 5: He's not really going to be challenging the top four.

754
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: There's nothing behind him. He particularly needs to worry about

755
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: Charlock cli fifth place if I won't fight you if

756
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: you disagree with me, but I'll be very clexed.

757
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: No fifth for me as well, Alex. I think I

758
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: saw not there. It does feel like he's a very

759
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: fifth driver this year.

760
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's well.

761
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: I think he's done well to get a number of

762
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: podiums that he's got. I think he's done well to

763
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: steal a few of those. Spar was one lockup and

764
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: max of staff and was by for example. Yeah, third

765
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: place in Spain was good tactics, good team tactics all

766
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 4: the way back to Saturday as well. He's obviously devastating

767
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: to miss out on pole position in Monaco because he

768
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: wasn't that far away and he knows what it would

769
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: have meant. Monaco and Budapest are two big opportunities for

770
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: him to win a Grand Prix, but no Ferrari, wrong

771
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 4: designed direction, and it's left him in a lonely you know,

772
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: lots of lonely races and a lonely part of this table.

773
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: But I had him fifth as well, I want to.

774
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: Ask you, Alex, because one of the great I think

775
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: genuine and I say this not just because you're a

776
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: guest and I can tell you your face, but it's

777
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: a great moment of commentary last year. Last year's won

778
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: to co Grand Prix of Charlotte Clair winning. I think

779
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: even greater in retrospect because that's the only time he's

780
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: converted from pole in the last sixteen races, which is

781
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: very grimistic for Charlotteclair sixteen being his number as well.

782
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Something Maybe I don't know what that's going to mean

783
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: going cool, but it strikes me and it's a bit

784
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: more of a long forward looking question. But he's had

785
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of obviously great moments with Ferrari, but the

786
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: list of disappointments rose, do you see? And we all

787
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: hope Ferrari gets back to a competitive picture next year

788
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: because it is good for the sport. When Ferrari is

789
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to dominate, but it needs to be

790
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: in contention where that rubber band of relationship between him

791
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: and Ferrari is at risk of breaking. Considering we're now

792
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: entering the years we would consider a driver's most productive.

793
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: I just don't I just don't think so. I mean,

794
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: obviously there's going to have to be a point where,

795
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: you know, if a resurgeon Aston Martin came calling with

796
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: a really strong Honder power unit and Adrian Newey firing

797
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: on all cylinders, something like that would be pretty pretty tricky.

798
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be pretty.

799
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: Tricky for him to go, well, what's the evidence that

800
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: I can win here? But he has such an emotional

801
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: bond with that team, He's been with them for a

802
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: long time. I get the sense that if you offered

803
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 4: him three titles and one team and one title at Ferrari,

804
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: that he'd probably he'd probably more desperate to succeed with Ferrari,

805
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: purely because of the amount of time and years he's

806
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 4: put into it. But one of the reasons that the

807
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: commentary went the way it did in twenty twenty four

808
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: is that you just never know when drivers are going

809
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: to get these chances. You know, if you go back

810
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: to Fernando Alonso, you would have said, oh, of course

811
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: it'll with more than two titles, and so that that, Yeah,

812
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 4: that historic journey to be a Monaco Grand Prix winner

813
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: in Monaco also one of the main reasons for doing

814
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: that as well. Is we have so many new viewers, right,

815
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: We have so many people who have discovered the sport

816
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years.

817
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: On Channel four.

818
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 4: We have a lot of people who maybe don't watch

819
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: every single week and dip into it for the feature

820
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: race highlights.

821
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: I just didn't want anyone to think, oh, spoil rich

822
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: kid from Monaco. Why do I care?

823
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: So that the reason for that was like, here's why

824
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: you should care, because it's an extraordinary story. But in

825
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: terms of the Ferrari relationship, I think it will. I

826
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: think it will endure for a long time. But they're

827
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: on there, you know, in the history of the World Championship,

828
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: they're on their longest windless streak now and they've got

829
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 4: one of the all time great driver Beirings. So the

830
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: timing of it is not is not ideal. But no,

831
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: I don't think the rubber Band's going to snap Aston

832
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: Martin contest that in a few years time.

833
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 5: I think, think what you just said that Alex is

834
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 5: really interesting because if he gets beaten to race wins

835
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: in a World Championship by teams that have been in

836
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 5: the mix or ahead of him for most of the

837
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: time he's been at Ferrari that is one thing. If

838
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 5: someone comes from behind and pinches one while he still

839
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: is where he is, that is going to be twisting

840
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 5: the knife to a level that you would not believe.

841
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: And I just think that you talk about that history,

842
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 5: it now becomes unprecedented. It's all the more reason for

843
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: him to want to stick around, to be the guy

844
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 5: to rewrite that. I think. I think, if anything, it

845
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 5: almost strengthens the bond. It's like it's just the way

846
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: he is as a personality. It's like, no, I am

847
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: going to be the person that gets this done. Now,

848
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 5: whether that's a futile exercise, we don't know, but it'd

849
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 5: be an even more magical story if he had suffered

850
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: through all of the lean times, if he is the

851
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: guy that actually breaks the drought. And how would he

852
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 5: feel if Lewis Hamilton won a title Ferrari after he'd

853
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: been there for five minutes?

854
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: That would be interesting? Would that would be interesting? But

855
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: perhaps we'll learn as we get further down the ranking. Well,

856
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how like that is sad times

857
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: for Charlotte Weir, although at least still have the record

858
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: for some time for longest graphic radio message in the history,

859
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: for which there is a terrific Star Wars meme. I

860
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: encourage you to go and search it out. You have

861
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: not seen it in that.

862
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: Ranking memes. That's number one so.

863
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: Far because it's too easy, so just you knew it

864
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: would be easily number one. Time to come to my

865
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: turn pick number six, and I'm very excited to go

866
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: off this part of the rank because I think this

867
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: is actual where it gets hard. You might get very hard.

868
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: How straightforward the top five were, we have minded disagreements,

869
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: but number six downwards, I think it is more difficult.

870
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: So I'm going to start. Well, for me, it's it

871
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: was a difficult pick, but I think it just feels

872
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: right to have Alex Albon at number six. He has

873
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: had some up and down patches, I guess in this

874
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: latter part of this first half of the season, but

875
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: continues to be the guy you know for the last

876
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: four years and a half years. You have to ask

877
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: the question, where would Williams be if it did not

878
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: have Alex Albon in the liner and any question is

879
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: probably a lot lower down the Constructors Championship regularly scoring points,

880
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: He's got his best Williams finish of his Williams career

881
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: this year, and he's got it three times for fifth place.

882
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: Considering where Williams has been in recent years, that is

883
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: more impressive than it might sound to some people and

884
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: condus just to be very consistent to doing all the

885
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: things we've got used to seeing him to pull off

886
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: unusual strategies, great qualifying performances when the car comes to him,

887
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: and to be fair to that deep in performance he

888
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: may have had, let's say a couple of months ago

889
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: or a month or so ago, that was when the

890
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: Williams car was finding itself less and less competitive to

891
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: a midfield that was improving more than it was. But

892
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: more recently that one upgrade team originally said wasn't coming

893
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: but did end up coming, has returned again to being

894
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: the sort of leader of the midfield, except in Hungry

895
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: where the car did not perform. So for me, it

896
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: felt pretty solidly number six. But I don't know it.

897
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm guessing there's some mixed reactions there.

898
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: Well I had him so ah good.

899
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Happy to do it?

900
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: Are Yeah, I haven't had him at number six.

901
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: I think he knew at the start of the year

902
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: this was going to be a Paddock perception type of

903
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: season for him. Got a race winner, proven race winner

904
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: coming into the team as well. This was the moment

905
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 4: to say I belong in that category. I'm I'm as.

906
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: Good, if not better.

907
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: If Carlos Signs are going to prove it, and you're

908
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: all going to see that, and you're all going to

909
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: jump to the conclusion that I could be a race

910
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: winner in Formula one if given the right machinery. Started

911
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: with that intention, blew Carlos away in the start of

912
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: the qualifying heads ahead, Carlos called him up again. Then

913
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: he's disappeared. He's had an outstanding season. Yeah, eighth in

914
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: the World Championship. Obviously got a little bit lost when

915
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: the car was unreliable, but he yeah, and you know

916
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: the non scoring bar Raim was because of a weird

917
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 4: quirk qualifying.

918
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: He's knocked out in Q one and he shouldn't have been.

919
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: So outstanding season for him, and he knew that the

920
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 4: padot was going to form an opinion when he was

921
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: teammates of carl Signs and we get to the we

922
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 4: get to the mid season break and the opinion is, yeah,

923
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 4: Alex alban As, we suspected the real deal and if

924
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: you gave him a race winning car, he'd be very comfortably.

925
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: In the mix.

926
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Michael p six on violist

927
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 5: as well, and I did with your I did, I did.

928
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 5: I was just trying to confuse the video watches. No,

929
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 5: he was pix on my list endorse everything you guys said, Michael.

930
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 5: To circle back to something that you said, where would

931
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 5: Williams be without Alex Albon? I'll reframe that, where might

932
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 5: Red Bull Racing be if they'd had Alex Albon? Because oh, look,

933
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: they did have him, wouldn't they, And wouldn't he be

934
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: a great second driver alongside Bax for Stepan right now?

935
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 5: But probably no more needs to be said about that.

936
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Williams just full of drivers, would be great in the

937
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing car, wouldn't It's so true. I think

938
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I didquire.

939
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: I think they recently inquired about Alex Alban within the

940
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: last couple of years. I think they tried to get

941
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: him back. So that is thinking that Red Bull themselves

942
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 4: have had, is my understand.

943
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if we were to write the own all

944
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: the thoughts that Red Bull Racing has head over the

945
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: last twelve to eight months, it'd make for a missing

946
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and confusing list.

947
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 5: Longer podcasts and the best memes of twenty twenty five podcasts.

948
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: Well, an agreeable number sixteen, But Alex, why don't you

949
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: take us to your number seven?

950
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Number seven? Is Isaac Hadja for me?

951
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 5: Yes?

952
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Interesting?

953
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: He had a nightmare in Melbourne. And the one thing

954
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 4: I knew about Isaac Hadjer is that he was rapid.

955
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know if he had the mental strength to

956
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: bounce back from tough moments in Formula one. So when

957
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: you start with, let's be honest, an embarrassing moment to

958
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: introduce yourself to the world when you're in the wall

959
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: on the formation, that that is that. I was a

960
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: little bit worried for him up against Yuki Sonoda as

961
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 4: a teammate.

962
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: How's this guy going to do?

963
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: As it turns out, I wasn't going to have you

964
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 4: he Soda for a teammate very long, and I.

965
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: Was going back immediately.

966
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: I think the reason I've got him so high is

967
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: his core speed at certain points of the season has

968
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: just been outstanding. There are so many times across a

969
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: session where you're like, that is a ridiculously good lap

970
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 4: he's and you don't know if that's ever going to

971
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: translate from Formula two to Formula One, and I've just

972
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: been mighty mighty impressed with his ability to improve the

973
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 4: racecraft all the way through to work with the team.

974
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: But I just think he's rapid, and he looks rapid

975
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: in Formula One as well. I'm just so pleased to

976
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: see him score so many points. He's obviously had a

977
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 4: slightly tougher run in recent races, but the way that

978
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: he bounced back and showed his talent after Melbourne, I

979
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: think he's been absolutely outstanding and he's actually paid back

980
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: Red Bull. You know, Red Bull take pelters for a

981
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 4: variety of different reasons, but he had a very ordinary

982
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: first season in Formula two. They could have cut him

983
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: from the program, they could have said nope, but they

984
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: believed in him.

985
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: Second year, he contends for the title.

986
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 4: And I think he looks a very worthy occupant of

987
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: a car on the grid.

988
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: And that's why I've put him so high.

989
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: Where did you have him, Michael? I had him only

990
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: one place lower in eight for all the same reasons.

991
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: Pretty much. I really like that he's thirteenth the championship.

992
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: The Racing Bulls cars on average been the sixth fastest

993
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: car and qualifying his average qualifying position is eighth best

994
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: in the field, better than any driver that's not in

995
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: the front running car, and better than some drivers in

996
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: front running cars. That's really impressive, like Hiss as the

997
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: raw speed is clearly there, and for a lot of

998
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: this season his racers have also been really good. You know,

999
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: there have been rookie mistakes and he has lost his

1000
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: way a little bit, like a rookie is inclined to do,

1001
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: particularly in the way the midfield has moved this year,

1002
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: but has been much more solid than you would ever

1003
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: have guessed, a judging by the kind of reluctant, dreadfull

1004
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: racing kind of was to promote him, or just because

1005
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: of the way that whole driver program is set up,

1006
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: or has been mired in a mess for the last

1007
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: eighteen months, and then of course that crash in the

1008
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: first round tempted to think that this was going nowhere.

1009
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: But it's not only the bounce back, but just the

1010
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: can level he's consistently been at to the point where

1011
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that even happened in Australia. Yeah

1012
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: it is.

1013
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: I've got to say, after listening to you too, I

1014
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: feel slightly bad now about my list because I had him,

1015
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 5: I had him tenth. I feel a bit, oh, I

1016
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 5: feel like I want to hide under the table after

1017
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: saying that, and not because I particularly don't rate what

1018
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 5: he's done. I think he's been really, really good, and

1019
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 5: to my mind, I think I probably had the lowest

1020
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 5: expectations for him out of all of the rookies. So

1021
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 5: he's the one to me that's succeeded by preseason expectations

1022
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 5: of all of the new guys coming in by the

1023
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 5: greatest margin, and that probably deserved higher than tenth on

1024
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 5: my list. And I feel bad about it. It's nothing personal,

1025
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 5: but he's been excellent. The mental resilience, I mean Australia was,

1026
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: as you said, Alex was absolutely crushing. I mean, of

1027
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: all the things to do in your first Grand Prix,

1028
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 5: we haven't seen I can't even remember the last time

1029
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: we saw someone do that on their debut, and you

1030
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 5: know the public humiliation that that was. But he's just

1031
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 5: been genuinely, very very good. And something you just said

1032
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 5: then before, Michael, perhaps we should have seen this coming.

1033
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: The fact that the Red Bull Racing pipeline seemed wholly

1034
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 5: uninterested in giving him a promotion may have been the

1035
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 5: absolute endorsement of how good he was going to be

1036
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 5: given what happens to everybody they do rate. But there

1037
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: you go.

1038
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I'll be glad to know he didn't take any of

1039
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: that personally at a minute, dropping him to ten. But

1040
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: in my case, I'm very interested because you're the next pick.

1041
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Who is next on your lives.

1042
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 5: We're going from one end of the agent experience spectrum

1043
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 5: to the other. I've got Fernando a Lotso' seventh for

1044
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 5: me to me he gets this season half season award

1045
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 5: for doing the most with the least. And you look

1046
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: at the way his season has gone no points in

1047
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 5: the first eight rounds, twenty six points in the past

1048
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 5: six rounds, and so it's not twenty twenty three reducts

1049
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 5: all over again where he's making podiums. And you simultaneously

1050
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 5: have all the old heads in Formula one like me going,

1051
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 5: see told you this A Lotso guy was good, and

1052
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: then all the Netflix newbie's going that old bloke's pretty quick,

1053
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 5: isn't he? That Alonso guy? He looks all right, you're

1054
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 5: not getting that quite you know that twenty twenty three

1055
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 5: opening anymore. But in terms of what he's had to

1056
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: work with, and how he's had to work with it

1057
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 5: fourteen zero against his tea boat and qualify, which sort

1058
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 5: of goes without saying to some degree, but I think

1059
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 5: he's been I don't think his level when he's fully

1060
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 5: motivated and on his good days is particularly dropped off.

1061
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 5: I do get the sensora a couple of days in

1062
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 5: a season where things are looking a little hopeless and

1063
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: perhaps the effort level and commitment to the cause might

1064
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: not be pik Alonso, but that's only because pik Alonso

1065
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 5: is a completely different animal, and we talked about this

1066
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 5: on our last podcast. I love seeing him in a

1067
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 5: race where there's a sniff of doing something slightly mischievous.

1068
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1069
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 5: I loved what he did in Budapest, where you just

1070
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 5: looked at the timing tower in the first fifteen laps

1071
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 5: and you thought, I know exactly what you're doing here.

1072
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 5: And the best thing is every other person in the

1073
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 5: field knew exactly what he was doing as well, setting

1074
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: himself up to finish fifth in that Grand Prix and

1075
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: executed it absolutely flawlessly.

1076
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: Mischievous.

1077
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: Alonso is still one of my favorite altsos, so that's

1078
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 5: why he is seventh on my list.

1079
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: That's the peak Alonso, isn't it mischiev isn't it? I'm interested,

1080
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: dastardly as love it. Even if some fans must surely

1081
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: wonder why Sonny Hayes has a Spanish accent, it is

1082
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: still good to have him in the mix. I wonder

1083
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: watch this along now though our first Does that sound

1084
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: about right to you? Alex should ask you. Of course,

1085
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: we're consultative on this list to have phenandenon Onso around here.

1086
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: He's forty four.

1087
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 4: He's forty four, and he's still contending at the front

1088
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 4: in Formula one. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. The fact

1089
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 4: he still wants to keep coming back, the fact that

1090
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 4: he gives us moments of you know, he's provisionally on

1091
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 4: the front row at the weekend. He's still providing magical moments.

1092
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: He's still a wonderful part of the grid and delivering

1093
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 4: top fives at forty four years of age. Absolutely ridiculous,

1094
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 4: And to be honest, there's no press for that in

1095
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 4: the in the modern history of Formula one, and even

1096
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: when you go back to the to the era, brilliant

1097
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: names who were competing at this age include Graham Hill

1098
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: and Jack Brabham in cars that were much slower, much

1099
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: less strenuous, required less fitness. He's essentially rewriting what's possible

1100
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 4: for a driver in their forties and Formula one and

1101
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: just give him a car where he can compete at

1102
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: the front and we'll see more magic. But yeah, the

1103
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 4: only disappointment for me for the last weekend was that

1104
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: he didn't take provisional poll because Jonian Farmer alongside me

1105
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: in commentary be saying that Aston always fade away from practice, and.

1106
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: At the start.

1107
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 4: Of the session to wind him up, I'd highlighted Alonso

1108
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: hadn't taken pole since Hockenheim twenty twelve, and the fact he.

1109
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 3: Nearly took provisional pole would be one.

1110
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 4: Of my favorite ever commentary box moments.

1111
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: So close, so close to wing.

1112
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: But no, he's deservedly in that in that ranking.

1113
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: I like it. You don't know when it's going to

1114
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: happen next year. We all hope he make his hands

1115
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 1: on a more competitive car. All right, the pick comes

1116
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: back to me for number nine and I'm going to

1117
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: go with I think we despite the fact we've already

1118
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: picked Ayacadja, I think a very close contender for Rookie

1119
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: of the year. I think this is a really interesting

1120
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: battle that's emerged, one that I didn't see coming at

1121
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: the start of the year. It's Gabriel Portoletto. Yes, in

1122
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: the points, he's behind Nico Holkenberg, but of course Nico

1123
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: had that great podium in Silverston. It's taken Portletto a

1124
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: little while to warm up to it with any end, so

1125
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: has the car taken a little while to warm up

1126
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: to being in Formula One. But it's the fact that

1127
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: it's five all in the race head to head, that

1128
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: he's a head in the qualifying head to head eight six.

1129
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: He's a head on the average fastest lap in qualifying

1130
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: by half a tenth point zero six six hundreds. We

1131
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: calculate that number precisely. This is a rookie who shouldn't

1132
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: be out qualifying so regularly, even if the margin is

1133
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: a smaller driver with so much more experience in a

1134
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: car that isn't great, that doesn't look like it is.

1135
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: This most straightforward car to drive, that was until about

1136
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: two months ago, the swallest car in Formula One. But

1137
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: he's done so well to build up to this moment.

1138
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: It's been really impressive. It's been sort of a solid

1139
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: and steady build up. It hasn't been overreach. He's built

1140
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: into it. We shouldn't forget he's the Formula two champion

1141
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: as well. I feel like sometimes we discount that status

1142
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: a little bit in Formula one for whatever reason. And

1143
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: he did it in a great way, of course, having

1144
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: won Formula three before that, so maybe we shouldn't have

1145
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: been so impressed. But I've been really impressed with his

1146
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: first season. So he's number nine on my list.

1147
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, hard to argue with that. I'll tell you one thing.

1148
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 4: For the Formula two championship last year, a lot of

1149
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: people were saying, oh, the new car, the new car

1150
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 4: has changed things. It's given us a bit of a

1151
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 4: random order. Well, given Bordletto season doesn't look so random anymore,

1152
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: does it.

1153
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: He.

1154
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: I was worried at the start of the year he

1155
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: just wasn't going to have a car to show his

1156
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 4: talent the titles, so he blew the field away in

1157
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: Formula three. Formula two is a really close battle, really

1158
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 4: open season, and then it became a head to head

1159
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 4: with Hadja and he just was so good racecraft wise.

1160
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 4: He was so good is his speed in qualifying this

1161
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: year up against Houltenberg that I've just been like, I

1162
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 4: just did not see that coming in year one, and

1163
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 4: I think he is surprised the team and Formula One

1164
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: and deserves his place in the top ten.

1165
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Michael, he was tenth on my list. The thing

1166
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 5: I'll add to what you guys have said about him

1167
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 5: that I've really liked, he's risen with the tide. I

1168
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 5: think that's a really really strong sign as the rookie is,

1169
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 5: as the car has got better, as it's become more competitive,

1170
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 5: as it's become more capable of better results. He's risen

1171
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 5: with that. For a guy who's done fourteen Grand prixstarts,

1172
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 5: I think that's super, super impressive. Given the pedigree, perhaps

1173
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 5: we shouldn't have been surprised, but given where that car

1174
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 5: started at the beginning of the season, I mean that

1175
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 5: it looked like was going to be a pretty long,

1176
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 5: fraught season for him. So the fact that he's managed

1177
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 5: to get in our top ten fourteen rounds in his

1178
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: testament to how good this guy's going to be, not

1179
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 5: just how good he is.

1180
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think well summed up well, that brings us

1181
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: to number ten. There are race winners, we haven't mentioned

1182
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: world champions we have not mentioned on this Yes, Alex,

1183
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: you get to round us out. Who is your tenth

1184
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: pick for so far in twenty twenty five.

1185
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: I was really hoping you weren't going to make me

1186
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 4: peck again because we've got to leave.

1187
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: Were good hosts.

1188
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I appreciate that politeness. That hasn't put me

1189
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: in a horrible position at all. I'd only written down

1190
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: to number nine because guys.

1191
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: Go Tom only looking at the list in front of me.

1192
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: I mean, Louis Awas has won a sprint race this year,

1193
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: so it feels pretty ridiculous to not have him in

1194
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: the in the top ten, but then obviously obvious struggles,

1195
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: He's actually been quite close.

1196
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to go for a Hulk.

1197
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to go for a new go Holgenberg,

1198
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 4: just purely because if you make ten places up four

1199
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 4: times in a Grand Prix season, you are having the

1200
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: race craft of your life.

1201
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: That podium moment.

1202
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: There are two moments this season whereas like that just

1203
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 4: looks absolutely impossible. I feel like I'm looking at F

1204
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 4: one twenty five, the video game Holberg at Silverstone and

1205
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 4: someone not being Christian Horner being the CEO and team

1206
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 4: principal and the name yeah or racing, just.

1207
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: Like what are we looking at? And Yeah, I.

1208
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 4: Think I'm probably gonna go for Holgenberg in that it

1209
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 4: would have been very easy for Holgenbogh to have scored

1210
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 4: very few points this year because of the qualifying. He

1211
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 4: can't get a tune out of the car right, He

1212
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 4: just cannot get it to work over one lap.

1213
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: The fact that he's got.

1214
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: Multiple points finishes and a podium for turning down every

1215
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: strategic shout that Salva.

1216
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: Had for him. Do you want to pick now?

1217
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: No? Do you want to stay out?

1218
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 4: No? I think we'll box like all the way through.

1219
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: He's radio for sale is so hilarious. So yeah, he

1220
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: wins by a nose. I actually think Hamilton will have

1221
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 4: a much better the second half of the season and will.

1222
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: Turn things around with Ferrari. But yeah, Holgenberg for that

1223
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: podium for me.

1224
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 5: Two sober drivers Michael inside the top ten. That's not

1225
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 5: something we've said for quiet some time in any four

1226
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 5: podcast or actual race form, but it's hard to argue.

1227
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 5: I think Alex's point about when he scores, when he

1228
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 5: has big days, they are big capital, big days. He

1229
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 5: really capitalizes on the chances that he has to impress.

1230
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 5: There's all, there's not that many of them, but he

1231
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 5: certainly has made the most of them. And yeah, I

1232
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 5: agree with you. The two most random things we've seen

1233
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 5: all year is Nico Holkenberg negotiating the steps for a

1234
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 5: podium and who is that guy sitting on the Red

1235
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 5: Bull Racing pitmoll calling himself the team principle. They are

1236
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 5: two of the stranger moments. They'll probably be more, but yeah,

1237
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 5: no argument from me. And Hamilton was in the I

1238
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 5: was going to call it the honorable mentions list, but

1239
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 5: I actually found that it dropped off pretty quickly after

1240
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 5: top ten. To be honest, I found it very hard

1241
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 5: to make a real compelling case for anybody else. So

1242
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 5: I've got no issue with Holckenberg at all. Did you

1243
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 5: have him in there, Michael?

1244
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: I did. He was my number ten two top Aalba drivers,

1245
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: because I mean it's similar similar ish argument to Alex Alban.

1246
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: If you from the points perspective, you take away his points.

1247
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: Salba is not an outside chance to finish fifth in

1248
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: the Constructors Championship this year, which is a sentence that

1249
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I shouldn't be able to say to

1250
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: put into words after the last few years or even

1251
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: the first couple of months of this season. So he's

1252
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: doing And I like this line up because they're both

1253
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: doing exactly what they've brought in to do right. They're

1254
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: always has to show potential and deliver, and Holckenbig was

1255
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: there to be the solid foundation to build up this team,

1256
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: and they're both doing it immediately as soon as the

1257
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: car has given them even half of something to work with. Really,

1258
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: like I.

1259
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 4: Said, there for Cadillac as well, there's a lesson in

1260
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: there for Cadillac. Get a young charger from Formula to

1261
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: All Speed, all raw, don't they they don't know what

1262
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: they don't know, and get someone with their bags of experience,

1263
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: because if you go two very experienced drivers, you just

1264
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: you would never have expected Hulkenberg to be beaten in

1265
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 4: headead qualify at all.

1266
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: No one would have said that was possible at the

1267
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: start of the year.

1268
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: You've got bart leto huge confidence, and I think there's

1269
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 4: a there's a lesson there for Cadillac. But yeah, I

1270
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 4: just can't believe that that Hamilton. If you said in

1271
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 4: China that, oh he's won at the second weekend with

1272
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 4: Ferrari in Formula One and by the way, the rest

1273
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: of the campaign is going to see us and not

1274
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: include him, and he's going to be in.

1275
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: The honorable mention section.

1276
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 4: H Gasley forgetting that Alpine to Q three seven times.

1277
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: That's that's crazy.

1278
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 4: That's that's one of the biggest surprises for a long

1279
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 4: time in Formula one.

1280
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 5: Well, crazy and surprising, But it doesn't feel like we're

1281
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like a stretch to say that. It

1282
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 5: feels completely justifiable from where I'm sitting. I think you'd

1283
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 5: have to mount to be an interesting argument to try

1284
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 5: and squeeze him in there, and you would feel that

1285
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 5: you are shoeharning him in there because he is Lewis

1286
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 5: Hamilton's sn't type world champion driving for Ferrari. But it

1287
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 5: has been underwhelming in the extreme.

1288
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, not the first season with Ferrari. Certainly he or

1289
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: Ferrari envisaged and well hopefully, I mean, I just don't

1290
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: want it to peter out. That's what I hope for

1291
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: next year. I want decisively outcome one way or another.

1292
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: We don't have to say, oh, only this or that,

1293
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: but will see I hope you can at least bounce

1294
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: back next year, or as you say, Alex, in the

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Speaker 1: second half of the year. Well that's our top ten.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say, much less argument than I had

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Speaker 1: personally hoped for, but that's okay. I mean, great minds

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Speaker 1: think alike. That's a shame for you, Alex, to be

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Speaker 1: in this conversation with Mad and I, but appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time all the same. I hope the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season as is unpredictable and enjoyable as the first part.

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Speaker 1: And thanks so much for joining.

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Speaker 2: Us, grazy join you guys, cheers for having me.

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Speaker 1: That was Alex Jakes, the f one TV World Feed commentator.

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: You can hear him as well if you've got a

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: Foxtail set top box with a Foxtail Sports subscription as well.

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00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: Just get your f one TV pro app up and

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00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: ready for well the next race in a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks time, the Dutch Grand Prix. But Alex has gone.

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Speaker 1: We did the top ten. It was fun chatting to

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Speaker 1: him deciding that. But let's round out the complete list

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01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: and me because there are a lot of drivers in

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01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: good reference Lancetroll, did we know your list, yes, but

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Speaker 1: why do we go through our very quickly the rest

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Speaker 1: of the list to complete the field.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to divide the last eleven drivers in

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Speaker 5: this list through in three categories. For me, yes, so

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Speaker 5: eleven through thirteen is some order of Pierre Gasly Lewis, Hamilton,

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Speaker 5: Kinny Antonelli for me, And look, I know Antonelli's run

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Speaker 5: into the mid season break was grim. First five or

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Speaker 5: six rounds is pretty good. He's also had a podium,

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 5: so I think there's a bit of recency perhaps with

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01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 5: shoving him too far down this list. I think on balance,

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01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 5: he's had a perfectly acceptable season for a rookie. Isn't

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: a very good car obviously, but I still think there's

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Speaker 5: some high points in there. And then from there on

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Speaker 5: you've got this sort of ock on Laws and Lance Stroll,

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Speaker 5: Carlos Science, who's been pretty underwhelming, for Williams, and the

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01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 5: whole olive Bearman question is that there's sort of been

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 5: a lump between like fourteen to eighteen. For me, I've

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01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 5: seen Bearman rank quite high in a number of these lists,

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 5: and there has been some speed, but man, there's been

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Speaker 5: some mistakes and some really ropey things that a guy

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01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 5: I know, he's young still, but there's been a huge

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Speaker 5: gap between his best and his worst, and that's kind

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Speaker 5: of why he's been a bit penalized for me. And

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Speaker 5: then you've got the category of three at the back,

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01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 5: which is all a bit sad, Yuki Sonoda, and then

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01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 5: the two Alpine rookies who had no chance to actually

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 5: do anything because they were swapped out for each other.

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 5: I had Jack doing slightly in front of Franco Colopinto,

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Speaker 5: not just because I'm waving the Australian flag here, but

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 5: I do think that Colopinto has been given more rope

1344
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 5: to do more with the Alpine and has probably done

1345
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 5: less with it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree with that. Just to start at

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Speaker 1: the bottom, I suppose I did have Jack doing a

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Speaker 1: head of Franco Colopido at the bottom. None of the

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Speaker 1: bottom because I think they're necessarily the worst drivers in

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Speaker 1: the field, but because like you say, they haven't had

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Speaker 1: the time to really do much. Yeah, but in Jack

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: doing shorter time, I think he did at least as

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: well as Colopindo has done with that. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: reckon above, but let me go back to the top.

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Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, Hamilton's eleven for me, not top ten, probably

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01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: for the first time I've ever done these ranking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's understandable. The longest he's gone in the

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Speaker 1: season without a podium so far. Had some good weekends.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the sprint victory in China was important, but I

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: think for reasons we've all talked about, hasn't had a

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01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: great season so far. Pierre Gazzery number twelve, getting a

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01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: lot out of a pretty ordinary car. Yeah, I think

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01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: that's fair to say. Has his weekends where he kind

1364
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: of disappears, but they also has some really good weekends.

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Then I put Estemonock on maybe controversially, don't think it

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01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit, but he's been I think quietly

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01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: quite good at hast not consistent enough to be a

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Speaker 1: top ten contender, but he's held up the team and

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: he's scored almost all of the team's pointsince keeping him

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Speaker 1: off the bottom of the championship.

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Speaker 5: There's a bit of Holkemberg in there, and that when

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Speaker 5: there's a big result to get, he'll go get it. Yeah,

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01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 5: maybe not to the same extent as Hulkeenberg, but similar

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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think he's been a reasonable like

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: for like I put him just ahead of Oliver Beerman,

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: he could have gone a little bit lower. I think

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01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: you're right, but he's shown really great speed and he's

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01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: finished eleventh a lot, so I think in a pretty

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01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 1: tight midfield and an any given day there's maybe three

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: places in points available, I think that counts. Then Antonelli,

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: he has had a good season for where he's at.

1383
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: But I think where he's at is the key point,

1384
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: which is the guy's arrived in Formula one with the

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01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: absolute minimum required preparation. Yeah, exactly, and so I think

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01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: that's there about. Then I've got Carlos Science pretty anonymous,

1387
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: but I think also there's been a bit about luck

1388
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: in there. Liam Lawson, I think is improving. I think

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: this the mid seas come any later. I think he

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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: probably be a bit higher consider than Lance Stroll because

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: he could have been a bit lower. Yuki Sonoda, you know,

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: I struggled with him. You can't rank him higher because

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01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: Max the staffan's doing so much with that car. Yes,

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: but we now know that no one can drive that

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: second car, so it's a little bit of a what

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01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: do you do? And he's ahead of only Jack doing.

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Speaker 5: The extraordinary part of that list is that if you

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Speaker 5: had to pick before this podcast, who was going to

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Speaker 5: have Lance Stroll highest? You wouldn't have picked me.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have That's very exciting that it's very exciting.

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: But let us know what you think about the top ten,

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01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: Top twenty, in fact top twenty one as it is.

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01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: You picked third drivers. If you really want to social

1404
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: media channels, go to Fox Motorsport, or you can even

1405
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: comment on this podcast some of your podcast apps or

1406
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: YouTube obviously if you're watching this. But we can't wrap

1407
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: this up without the Crystal Ball by complete home filtration.

1408
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: So we've got Supercar still going, We've got the mid

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Speaker 1: season break of Motor GP returning. Where are you going

1410
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: with your prediction?

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01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 5: I'm going Motor GP being back in action. And this

1412
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 5: is going to sound like the most obvious thing in

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Speaker 5: the entire world. Mark Marquess is going to win the

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Speaker 5: Austrian Grand Prix. Wow, there you go, Mark Markus wins

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01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 5: motorcycle race. Incredible news. This actually would be incredible news.

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Speaker 5: It's the least successful circuit of his entire Motor GP career.

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Speaker 5: He's never won here. Really, there are only three circuits

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Speaker 5: where he has never won, Indonesia and Portamower, the other two,

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 5: But Indonesia there's only been He's only done two races there.

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01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 5: Port's only done four eight starts at the Red Bull Ring,

1421
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Speaker 5: never won. I feel like I can remember well and

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Speaker 5: this is and this is why, because he finished second

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 5: three years in a row on last battles with Ducati's

1424
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 5: against Andreda Vizioso twice and Jorgalornzo once and got his

1425
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 5: nose blooded on all three of them when he was

1426
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 5: on a Repsol Honda. It's the only circle on the

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Speaker 5: calendar where he's never won. Now, the reason I mentioned

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01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 5: this this year he's broken eleven year victory droughts in

1429
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 5: Qatar and Machello and an eight year victory Drout and Accent.

1430
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 5: So it's not the fact that he's leading this World

1431
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 5: Championship one hundred and twenty points. He's winning at tracks

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 5: that have been his kryptonite in the past, and given

1433
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 5: the way this season has gone for him, if anyone's

1434
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 5: going to know that stat, he will know that stat

1435
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 5: because he knows he's been beaten thereby Ducati. So to

1436
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 5: go back on a Ducati and perhaps correct that one,

1437
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 5: that'll just be a na the box for him to

1438
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 5: tick as he heads on to this World Championships.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that.

1440
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: Really funny, Crystal Ball's in good order this weekend? What

1441
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 5: for me?

1442
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: Good pick? So we were all braced in the world

1443
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: of Formula One for Cadillac to announce its first driver

1444
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: signing yes before the mid season break. Now it needed

1445
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: to do this because obviously the first test, which is

1446
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: the end of January next year, is quite close. Now

1447
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: it's only a few months away, really, which is alarming

1448
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: for its own reasons. I'm going it needs someone to

1449
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: start developing the car, needs an experienced driver, and it

1450
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: hasn't signed one yet. However, not something I believe that

1451
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: they would be keeping quiet. But my prediction, and I'm

1452
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: doing this with my fingers crossed, I hope I'm wrong.

1453
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: It's not the first time I've been wrong Crystal Ball

1454
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: that they're going to announce the driver during the worst

1455
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: possible time, which is the shutdown period. I mean, no

1456
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: one will be at the news desk to cover it.

1457
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: Obviously it will be a Fox Sports because big organization,

1458
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: but you know, in general, that's not when you announce things.

1459
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: But I believe this new American team is going to

1460
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: make its first significant Formula one faux pas to announced

1461
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: Feltry Botass will be driving for it in the next week.

1462
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 5: Or four fifty European Friday.

1463
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly on the next Friday, I think is it's

1464
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: going to happen. But they do need you need to driver.

1465
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: It's on talking point that perhaps we'll be talking about

1466
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: the next week or to particularly if they haven't announced it. Yes,

1467
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: that they need someone to drive one of its cars

1468
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: at least, and then on the driver after that. So

1469
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting theories about why that hasn't happened. We know

1470
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: that Beltry podcasts and surgery prayers at the top of

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01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: the lists I've heard. Maybe Pais doesn't want to be

1472
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: the driver that's now on second if they don't know

1473
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: whether they want a second experience or a young driver.

1474
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: Don't know anyway, we'll find out in the next couple

1475
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: of weeks. Presumably maybe we won't consume. We don't know yet,

1476
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: but that's all the time we have for pit talk today.

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: You can subscribe to pit Talk wherever you get your

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Speaker 1: on YouTube too. Formula one is still on a break,

1481
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: but this weekend it is the Austrian Motorcycle Grand Prix,

1482
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: with lights out at ten pm on Sunday. You can

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,880
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Speaker 1: and supercars news at Fox sports dot com. Today you

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Speaker 1: until next week, depending on what podcast listening to do.

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01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I think this podcast in fact will take the mid

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Speaker 1: season one week off week after that. I've been Michael,

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Speaker 1: thanks very much for your company and we'll catch you

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Speaker 1: next week