WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 September 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:07.850 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. Welcome to 0:00:07.870 --> 0:00:09.430 the show. You know I'm standing up, which means I've 0:00:09.450 --> 0:00:10.770 got an opinion poll to give you in a moment 0:00:10.789 --> 0:00:14.630 or two's time. But tonight on the program, Chris Bowen 0:00:14.850 --> 0:00:18.520 and electric vehicles. There was an extraordinary report on the 0:00:18.550 --> 0:00:20.919 ABC last night. You were watching us, so you missed it. 0:00:21.300 --> 0:00:25.040 Wait till I show you how wrong this bloke is 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.400 about the car he drives. More in a moment. The 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.620 great Nigel Farage will be here. We will, of course, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.090 join us live from London, the only place you can 0:00:33.110 --> 0:00:35.650 ever see him. on Aussie TV is here on Paul 0:00:35.670 --> 0:00:37.989 Murray Live. And as always, we end the show with 0:00:38.030 --> 0:00:41.650 a look at the social media videos the politicians waste 0:00:41.670 --> 0:00:44.449 their time making, but sadly we all have to pay for. 0:00:44.550 --> 0:00:46.470 As I say, I'm standing up because we have the 0:00:46.490 --> 0:00:49.570 very latest edition of the News 24 Pulse. This is 0:00:49.630 --> 0:00:51.670 our opinion poll, which is done in conjunction with the 0:00:51.690 --> 0:01:00.930 good people of YouGov. Now, before I get to the 0:01:01.090 --> 0:01:03.650 overall picture when it comes to the parties, I think 0:01:03.670 --> 0:01:07.429 the headline out of tonight's poll is just how unpopular 0:01:07.610 --> 0:01:11.369 the Prime Minister is. Now, we have been measuring all 0:01:11.430 --> 0:01:15.550 year the satisfaction or dissatisfaction rating of the Prime Minister. Tonight, 0:01:15.790 --> 0:01:19.250 we are at the equal low of the Prime Minister's 0:01:19.890 --> 0:01:24.759 time in our poll. In fact... 62% of Australians are 0:01:24.819 --> 0:01:28.920 dissatisfied with the Prime Minister's performance. That is up three 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:33.140 points in just two weeks. As you can see, the 0:01:33.180 --> 0:01:36.720 satisfied number is very close to the Labor primary and 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.959 is only about a third of the electorate. Now, this 0:01:40.020 --> 0:01:43.649 is worth breaking down because the perceptions of the Prime 0:01:43.670 --> 0:01:47.130 Minister are negative for both men and women. but blokes 0:01:47.170 --> 0:01:49.050 seem to have more of a problem with the Prime 0:01:49.070 --> 0:01:52.230 Minister than female voters, but both have a negative view. 0:01:52.650 --> 0:01:55.620 As you can see, female voters, six out of ten 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:01.180 dissatisfied with the Prime Minister, the number higher at 64%. Now, 0:02:01.300 --> 0:02:03.270 amazing in that change, by the way, when it came 0:02:03.370 --> 0:02:06.130 to the female vote, this is the past two weeks. 0:02:06.550 --> 0:02:10.049 The past two weeks has seen... Four points when it 0:02:10.090 --> 0:02:12.430 came to female voters, two points when it came to men. 0:02:12.710 --> 0:02:15.239 He was already in negative territory, but at six out 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.320 of ten he is in a world of trouble. Other 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.000 demographic breakdowns to have a look at all of this here, 0:02:21.380 --> 0:02:24.640 which are by generation. Now as you can see, even 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.410 Gen Z, supposedly the young voters that are up with 0:02:27.490 --> 0:02:31.510 all of the agenda, from the housing taxes to climate change, well, 0:02:32.010 --> 0:02:34.950 the majority of them, barely, but the majority of them 0:02:35.090 --> 0:02:38.260 are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister's approval. The older it gets, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.600 the worse it gets for the Prime Minister. But as 0:02:40.620 --> 0:02:43.540 you can see, for millennials... Now, supposedly, again, this is 0:02:43.580 --> 0:02:46.720 a group of voters that are under 50. The entire 0:02:46.860 --> 0:02:50.500 calculation of the Prime Minister and the Labor Party is 0:02:50.540 --> 0:02:53.350 that older voters, they can do without them because everyone 0:02:53.389 --> 0:02:55.430 under 50 will vote for them. Well, if you've got 0:02:55.610 --> 0:02:59.030 six out of 10 of millennial voters, as well as 0:02:59.090 --> 0:03:02.590 the section of Gen X that's under 50 at 64%, 0:03:02.590 --> 0:03:07.810 being basically where boomers are at 65% disapproval, let alone 0:03:08.330 --> 0:03:12.360 three quarters. of people that are in the greatest generation, 0:03:12.380 --> 0:03:16.360 the parents of the boomers. That is an extraordinary indictment 0:03:16.820 --> 0:03:20.639 on the Prime Minister. And what about the class divides 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.380 in Australia? Now, again, these are all self-defined, but working-class voters, 0:03:25.590 --> 0:03:31.150 just 31% satisfied with the Prime Minister. 65% of people 0:03:31.169 --> 0:03:36.620 who are self-identified as being the backstory of the Prime Minister... Well, 0:03:36.660 --> 0:03:39.800 their view is that they are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.480 For the vast bulk of the country, otherwise known as 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.240 the middle class, the picture is not particularly good either. Basically, 0:03:46.300 --> 0:03:49.640 six out of ten, up five points in two weeks. 0:03:50.300 --> 0:03:53.840 The Prime Minister has had a shocking fortnight. That is 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.590 the reality here in his personal numbers. And we were 0:03:57.610 --> 0:03:59.670 told that the past two weeks was all a shocker 0:03:59.690 --> 0:04:02.950 for Pauline Hanson. No, there's a problem for the Prime Minister. 0:04:03.570 --> 0:04:07.120 In terms of the upper class or will to do, however, again, 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:12.280 this is all self-identified via people doing the survey with YouGov. 0:04:12.300 --> 0:04:14.720 And remember, the YouGov numbers were bang on in the 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.560 2025 election. So don't let anyone tell you that this 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.170 stuff is outlier. This is basically... the true picture of 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.510 Australia right now and its problems with the Prime Minister. Unsurprisingly, 0:04:24.850 --> 0:04:29.190 those that are well off, less than 50% dissatisfied. Conversely, 0:04:29.230 --> 0:04:35.010 less than 50% satisfied, but his best numbers are with people, frankly, 0:04:35.070 --> 0:04:38.820 like himself. who obviously don't have to worry about their 0:04:38.860 --> 0:04:41.200 current life, let alone the cost of living, let alone 0:04:41.300 --> 0:04:44.440 their future life, let alone, of course, retirement. It is 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.460 an extraordinary set of numbers and none of them good 0:04:47.500 --> 0:04:50.520 for the Prime Minister on a personal level tonight. But, 0:04:50.540 --> 0:04:53.660 of course, what's he doing to try to turn things 0:04:53.700 --> 0:04:55.880 around here? Well, nothing, because he's in New York and, 0:04:55.900 --> 0:04:57.890 of course, he's going to change the world via the 0:04:58.310 --> 0:05:01.010 United Nations. Alright, let's have a look now at the 0:05:01.170 --> 0:05:05.170 overall party figures. The... One Nation Party remains the most 0:05:05.210 --> 0:05:07.669 popular party in the country right now. This is the 0:05:07.690 --> 0:05:10.680 very latest opinion poll. Again, we do this every two weeks. 0:05:11.450 --> 0:05:14.039 The primary vote for One Nation might be down, but 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.719 it's still in front of Labor. 27-26. Now, as I've 0:05:17.740 --> 0:05:20.640 told you before, when it comes to interpreting these polls, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.490 a point here, a point there is essentially a tie. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.150 This is essentially a tie. There has been a little 0:05:27.190 --> 0:05:30.890 bit of movement from One Nation straight back to the Coalition. 0:05:31.810 --> 0:05:35.630 While the Coalition is still well and truly running third, right, 0:05:35.790 --> 0:05:38.050 probably fourth if you want to count daylight right now, 0:05:38.330 --> 0:05:40.690 there are a couple of things inside the poll that 0:05:40.790 --> 0:05:43.589 are to me quite interesting for part of the potential 0:05:43.650 --> 0:05:47.280 Coalition rebuild. But again, the vote not coming off Labor. Equally, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.340 the vote to the Greens is only coming off the 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.230 minor party vote. That Mana Party vote is also worth 0:05:54.270 --> 0:05:57.740 talking about because, of course, there are plenty of independents, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.660 plenty of Greens... And plenty of teals. So, I thought 0:06:02.700 --> 0:06:04.640 I should actually show you the breakdown here of the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.800 other number. Because, remember, the fundamental theory of the Prime 0:06:08.820 --> 0:06:10.760 Minister and the Labor Party is that all of this 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.460 ends up as preferences back eventually to the Labor Party, 0:06:14.750 --> 0:06:17.710 which is why they may hold on to government, perhaps 0:06:17.810 --> 0:06:20.570 in minority, but they certainly are nowhere near the thumping 0:06:20.589 --> 0:06:23.310 majority that they got not that long ago. These are 0:06:23.330 --> 0:06:26.810 all single digits, but still worth noticing that more than 10% 0:06:26.810 --> 0:06:31.770 sits out there, and that's why the preference game is particularly... important. Now, again, 0:06:31.790 --> 0:06:34.660 I want to go by gender here and again, the 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.779 primary vote and which particular party was getting the backing there. Okay, 0:06:38.860 --> 0:06:41.240 you can see here when it comes to men, One Nation, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.940 number one, Labor, number two, but surprisingly, a little bit 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.120 of movement toward the Greens and a little bit of 0:06:48.190 --> 0:06:51.409 movement towards Other and the Coalition. But again, six points 0:06:51.470 --> 0:06:54.630 went travelling. Again, if these numbers aren't exact in terms 0:06:54.670 --> 0:06:58.570 of this numbering up here, it's because round up, round down, 0:06:58.589 --> 0:07:01.250 of course, with 0.5 being the threshold to go up, 0:07:01.310 --> 0:07:05.020 and 0.4 being what goes down. Female voters, again, let's 0:07:05.050 --> 0:07:07.170 have a look at where they are. The number one 0:07:07.190 --> 0:07:09.390 party for them is the Labor Party. Number one party 0:07:09.410 --> 0:07:12.170 for them is the Labor Party at 28%, so it 0:07:12.290 --> 0:07:14.970 is in front and clear enough to say that it 0:07:15.070 --> 0:07:18.030 is the number one choice of female voters. But remember 0:07:18.070 --> 0:07:20.560 what their position is when it comes to the Prime Minister. 0:07:20.900 --> 0:07:24.160 Still six out of ten having a problem right there. Now, 0:07:24.460 --> 0:07:26.520 I also wanted to show you, again, when it came 0:07:26.580 --> 0:07:29.280 to the generations, but do it slightly differently here because, again, 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.100 some of this data can become a little bit eye-glazing, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:33.950 but I want you to see what is the number 0:07:34.010 --> 0:07:36.420 one choice of each of the generations. For Gen Z... 0:07:37.570 --> 0:07:40.730 It's the Greens, and by a mile. For millennials, the 0:07:40.790 --> 0:07:45.180 number one political party in this poll, and I think 0:07:45.190 --> 0:07:48.400 it's for the first time outright, is One Nation at 28%. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:55.320 Gen X, One Nation at 34%. For boomers, it is 0:07:55.620 --> 0:08:00.690 equal between the Coalition and Labor at 31%. And for 0:08:00.750 --> 0:08:02.770 the greatest generation, then again, it is. 0:08:02.770 --> 0:08:03.440 48%. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:09.610 So interesting to view there. Again, self-identified by class. This 0:08:09.670 --> 0:08:13.570 is how people describe themselves, as working class. Majority there, 0:08:13.590 --> 0:08:17.790 or the biggest single party there, One Nation, 33%. Middle class, 0:08:18.170 --> 0:08:21.570 Labor Party and the Coalition, they split the vote at 26%. 0:08:21.570 --> 0:08:27.120 Well off is the Coalition at 32%. There's an awful 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.610 lot inside all of this, right? Now, also, we asked 0:08:29.700 --> 0:08:33.150 inside the News 24 Pulse about how people feel about 0:08:33.170 --> 0:08:37.390 their financial circumstances at the moment and, unsurprisingly... It is 0:08:37.470 --> 0:08:39.870 essentially a three-way split in the country about how you 0:08:39.890 --> 0:08:43.929 feel about your financial circumstances right now. 39% of people 0:08:43.970 --> 0:08:46.890 say comfortable. I'm a little surprised by that number, but still, 0:08:47.050 --> 0:08:50.709 I'm presenting it to you as the findings of the poll. 32, 0:08:50.710 --> 0:08:53.730 or a third of the country, says struggling. Now, neither's 0:08:53.750 --> 0:08:57.069 interesting because, of course, it literally is the in the middle, right? Now, 0:08:57.190 --> 0:08:59.410 in the middle could be just a pressure that has 0:08:59.450 --> 0:09:02.470 been there for years, and that obviously takes us to 0:09:02.490 --> 0:09:05.210 the majority of the country being in an unpleasant place, or, 0:09:05.570 --> 0:09:08.880 despite the pressure... things are OK, which puts the majority 0:09:08.900 --> 0:09:11.520 of people in the comfortable category. I would think it 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.090 is most likely to be the former rather than the latter. 0:09:15.550 --> 0:09:17.949 In terms of the social media laws, which are currently 0:09:17.970 --> 0:09:21.290 before Parliament, we're the first organisation to actually start polling 0:09:21.510 --> 0:09:25.170 on this, and I'm pleased to read the reaction to 0:09:25.230 --> 0:09:27.730 it here, because, of course, it's not just about the 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.820 overall digital duty of care, but, of course, it is 0:09:30.860 --> 0:09:33.980 a discussion about how much power the individual has minister, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.540 Annika Wells, should have in all of this. So, let 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.040 me break it down for you. 42% of people, they're 0:09:39.059 --> 0:09:41.880 completely fine with everything as is, right? The law goes 0:09:41.940 --> 0:09:46.300 through with the minister being able to decide individually what 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.390 is harmful, okay? Now, 28% say they agree with the law, 0:09:52.210 --> 0:09:55.190 but they think the minister's right to have personal power 0:09:55.429 --> 0:09:59.350 to define what is harmful on social media or the internet, 0:09:59.390 --> 0:10:03.630 that is the British too far. 20% hardcore no, and 0:10:03.670 --> 0:10:05.120 those that are still trying to work it out, and 0:10:05.140 --> 0:10:08.460 understandably so, about 10%. All of that is right now 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.660 on news24. com. au. We call it the News 24 Pulse. We 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:22.200 do it every two weeks here on Paul Murray Live. Now, 0:10:22.220 --> 0:10:24.179 the sun is just rising in the United States where 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.660 the Prime Minister is getting ready for his big global 0:10:26.700 --> 0:10:29.570 award for, you know, being everything is awesome. But there 0:10:29.590 --> 0:10:31.470 have been plenty of people trying to hold the fort 0:10:31.510 --> 0:10:35.550 here for Labor as firstly NewsPoll. Now, us have findings 0:10:35.590 --> 0:10:38.309 that the Australian people are not happy, Jan. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.820 Polls are obviously not great, but we are not focused 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.020 on the polling, what we're focused on. is making a 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.040 real difference in people's lives. And we know that they're 0:10:52.059 --> 0:10:54.460 doing it tough. We hear that. I'm out all the 0:10:54.500 --> 0:10:57.579 time in my electorate. People will tell you that they're 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:58.420 feeling pressure. 0:10:59.020 --> 0:11:03.600 Obviously, polling is incredibly important, but we are still focused 0:11:03.780 --> 0:11:05.620 on how we can help people with the cost of living. 0:11:05.660 --> 0:11:08.120 We know people are doing it really tough out there, 0:11:08.140 --> 0:11:10.099 which is why we're focused on the things that make 0:11:10.140 --> 0:11:10.580 a difference. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.100 I mean, I think what this type of poll shows 0:11:13.140 --> 0:11:14.860 is that Australians are doing it tough. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.640 You know, this has been a really difficult. 0:11:17.100 --> 0:11:18.400 time for many Australians. 0:11:19.900 --> 0:11:21.640 We feel your pain. We understand your pain. Are you 0:11:21.660 --> 0:11:22.990 going to do anything about it when it comes to 0:11:23.030 --> 0:11:28.030 fuel taxes? Of course not. No interest whatsoever. Now, again, 0:11:28.190 --> 0:11:30.390 a little more data from the news poll that we 0:11:30.410 --> 0:11:32.710 told you about first on Sunday and were able to 0:11:32.730 --> 0:11:36.230 dig into over the past couple of days. And it is, 0:11:36.250 --> 0:11:40.090 of course, to do with migration. Now, the extreme majority 0:11:40.110 --> 0:11:43.460 of Australians in multiple polls from multiple media organisations have 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.530 told you the same thing over and over again. Stop 0:11:47.250 --> 0:11:50.570 just too many people. Why? Because as we've gone from 0:11:50.570 --> 0:11:53.910 18 million to 28 million, look at the roads in Victoria, 0:11:53.929 --> 0:11:57.750 look at the hospitals everywhere. We haven't matched the infrastructure. 0:11:58.070 --> 0:12:02.190 As we move towards 30 and 40 million, come on. 64% 0:12:02.190 --> 0:12:05.569 of people told the news poll via The Australian that 0:12:05.630 --> 0:12:10.130 they want fewer. people coming to the country via migration. 26% 0:12:10.130 --> 0:12:12.650 say keep it the way it is. 10%. Who are 0:12:12.670 --> 0:12:16.250 the 10% apart from Treasury officials who say that we 0:12:16.270 --> 0:12:18.270 should be having more? Let's break it down in a 0:12:18.270 --> 0:12:22.839 little more detail. 39% say a lot fewer than currently. 26% 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.740 say keep it as is. Fewer than now, 25%. So, again, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.880 you put 25 and 39 together, you get to your 64. 0:12:26.860 --> 0:12:36.960 More than now, seven. A lot more, three. Well, regardless 0:12:37.010 --> 0:12:39.160 of how the polls feel about it, we know where 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.820 the country is going, and that is to have more people, 0:12:41.900 --> 0:12:45.660 more people every single year. No promise, no plan for 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.380 the infrastructure, but of course you need the taxpayers, right? Well, 0:12:49.420 --> 0:12:51.920 as I showed you last night in the Intergenerational Report, 0:12:51.940 --> 0:12:55.280 we're on our way towards close to 40 million, or 0:12:55.300 --> 0:12:58.790 in fact past 40 million by the 2060s. The green 0:12:58.870 --> 0:13:02.250 you can see here is the migration part of population growth. 0:13:02.630 --> 0:13:04.450 The blue you can see at the bottom is the 0:13:04.490 --> 0:13:11.530 birth rate, which basically disappears, meaning despite the plan for 0:13:11.610 --> 0:13:14.309 even more people to be coming to the country via migration, 0:13:14.809 --> 0:13:16.670 we're still going to be in a scenario where for 0:13:16.700 --> 0:13:19.420 the next 40 years the budget will be running in 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.819 a deficit. I'm going to show you these graphics a 0:13:22.179 --> 0:13:26.900 lot because I want them to be tattooed on your 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.060 eyes about decades the state of the problem right now. 0:13:30.900 --> 0:13:33.939 And also that if that graph was going to suddenly 0:13:33.980 --> 0:13:37.600 turn towards surpluses, well, the free advice is out there. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.720 And it's not because people are going to start small 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.980 businesses and those small businesses are going to be successful. No, 0:13:45.380 --> 0:13:49.200 the suggestion is let's add even more people than the 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.080 hundreds of thousands that are coming each and every year, 0:13:52.140 --> 0:13:53.860 let alone the more than a million that have been 0:13:53.900 --> 0:13:56.500 here since the Prime Minister came to power and the 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:01.420 close to two that will be here sooner rather than later. 0:14:03.340 --> 0:14:08.500 That's the reality. What do they want? They want more migration. Why? 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.949 Because it is an instant taxpayer as opposed to a 0:14:10.990 --> 0:14:12.989 baby that's born here who ends up using up the 0:14:13.030 --> 0:14:17.250 money from government when it comes to early childhood, primary school, 0:14:17.290 --> 0:14:19.600 all the rest of it. So the plan, yeah, let's 0:14:19.620 --> 0:14:21.480 just keep doing more of that. In fact, more of 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.310 the more, please. As always, this is a show where 0:14:25.350 --> 0:14:26.750 you turn up to try to find just a little 0:14:26.770 --> 0:14:28.990 bit of detail. That's something you didn't see everywhere else, 0:14:29.010 --> 0:14:31.990 and I very much appreciate that. Morning, noon or night, rain, 0:14:32.010 --> 0:14:35.450 hail or shine, summer, winter, spring or autumn. We don't 0:14:35.470 --> 0:14:37.890 do fall on this program. I love America, but we 0:14:37.930 --> 0:14:41.410 ain't yanks. It's autumn here. And there was a little 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.520 detail today that, again, is one of the bricks that 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.180 you can put in the wall of the argument you 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.080 will inevitably have with family who just says, well, you're 0:14:48.100 --> 0:14:53.120 being racist when you're talking about the realities of migration, right? 0:14:53.530 --> 0:14:55.630 that the reason it is turning up at the rate 0:14:55.650 --> 0:14:58.350 that it is is because of the ready-made taxpayer and 0:14:58.390 --> 0:15:01.030 the only way to guarantee that the future taxpayers can 0:15:01.070 --> 0:15:03.240 pay for the former taxpayers is just to add more 0:15:03.290 --> 0:15:07.620 and more and more. It's a Ponzi scheme, right? Now, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.940 we are constantly lectured to that any conversation at all 0:15:10.980 --> 0:15:15.660 about migration is racist because migration is focused on one 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.500 thing and one thing only, and that is making sure 0:15:17.540 --> 0:15:19.320 that we have the people who can do the jobs 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.600 that Australia desperately needs. 0:15:23.180 --> 0:15:26.160 You know, we have a simple reality that if you're 0:15:26.180 --> 0:15:29.740 talking about building houses, 28% of people in building and 0:15:29.780 --> 0:15:34.000 plumbing work are born overseas. In the economy, one of 0:15:34.020 --> 0:15:37.160 the ways that we're dealing with that is in skilled migration. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:42.100 Construction apprentices, and there is a responsible role for skilled 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.380 migration in that as well. 0:15:44.180 --> 0:15:46.110 Well, every now and then there's a little bit of 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.590 information that falls out of the far right-wing think tank 0:15:48.630 --> 0:15:52.580 known as the Australian Bureau of Statistics. where one of 0:15:52.620 --> 0:15:58.390 the key statistics in the migrant settlement outcomes was, quote, 71% 0:15:58.390 --> 0:16:03.330 of permanent migrants aged 15 to 64 held a non-school 0:16:03.930 --> 0:16:09.810 qualification in 2021. So, again, we're being told that, yes, 0:16:09.850 --> 0:16:12.850 that means somebody's got a TAFE degree, somebody's got a 0:16:12.930 --> 0:16:15.950 uni degree. But what about the other 30%? And why 0:16:16.350 --> 0:16:19.480 are the numbers so old here, where we're looking back 0:16:19.900 --> 0:16:23.740 at 2021 as opposed to the most recent numbers? Again, 0:16:24.020 --> 0:16:27.040 just worth noticing, because you learn something each and every day, 0:16:27.060 --> 0:16:32.380 and you certainly hopefully learn it here each and every night. Now, again, oh, 0:16:32.500 --> 0:16:34.420 this government, we're doing everything we can when it comes 0:16:34.500 --> 0:16:37.290 to the cost of living. But what about petrol? Yeah, 0:16:37.350 --> 0:16:40.430 I'm going to keep talking about it because it's It's 0:16:40.450 --> 0:16:43.850 outrageous right now. I almost dropped a real bomb. It's 0:16:43.910 --> 0:16:48.290 outrageous right now. Now, the problems in the Middle East, 0:16:48.350 --> 0:16:49.970 and that is, yes, what has been driving all of this, 0:16:49.990 --> 0:16:51.450 but the problems in the Middle East mean it's going 0:16:51.470 --> 0:16:54.450 to get even more expensive. I show you this every night, 0:16:54.470 --> 0:16:57.030 but again, this is a little snapshot of what's happening 0:16:57.070 --> 0:17:00.360 in Sydney, what's happening in Melbourne, what's been happening in Brisbane. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.120 It's all the same. Uppity-up-up-up is where we go here. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:09.639 Yet still... Australians are being charged 52 cents per litre 0:17:10.340 --> 0:17:12.619 by the government. The government is trying to put off 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.780 any help when it comes to petrol. Now, remember, any 0:17:16.820 --> 0:17:20.119 help with petrol doesn't just help people that get in 0:17:20.140 --> 0:17:21.949 the car to take the kids here and there or 0:17:21.970 --> 0:17:24.730 to take themselves here and there. It helps every small 0:17:24.770 --> 0:17:28.649 business that uses a vehicle powered by petrol to be 0:17:28.710 --> 0:17:32.280 able to do their work. It also... brings down the 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.909 cost of transporting the things that are grown on a 0:17:34.940 --> 0:17:39.010 farm or need to be taken from dock to shop 0:17:39.550 --> 0:17:42.550 or from dock to post office and post office to 0:17:42.590 --> 0:17:46.570 your house. Fuel is in everything. And while they may 0:17:46.609 --> 0:17:48.830 well have this grand dream of one day everyone going 0:17:48.890 --> 0:17:52.550 electric and therefore petrol price completely not mattering, the reality 0:17:52.590 --> 0:17:56.370 is who knows what the EV after-sales market is like, 0:17:56.730 --> 0:17:58.970 which means most likely there'll be another generation of people 0:17:58.990 --> 0:18:01.210 who can't afford a brand new car, so they buy 0:18:01.250 --> 0:18:03.310 a used car. That used car most likely to be petrol. 0:18:03.510 --> 0:18:04.969 So petrol's going to be part of the problem for 0:18:05.010 --> 0:18:08.080 a while. So the government has to cut the tax. 0:18:08.130 --> 0:18:08.380 Why? 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:14.530 Because they did it recently. In fact, I double-checked this today. Now, remember, 0:18:14.670 --> 0:18:16.860 it took about a month before the government did this. 0:18:16.890 --> 0:18:19.780 They were dragged, kicking and screaming. They did it when 0:18:20.260 --> 0:18:24.939 the price was $ 2. 52. Currently, we're at $ 2. 41, which is 0:18:25.060 --> 0:18:29.360 already higher than the number when the calls first started 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.670 before the inevitable happened. Now, remember, of course, they took 0:18:33.730 --> 0:18:36.870 away the concession. They put back the tax. They did 0:18:36.910 --> 0:18:38.790 that when petrol was $ 1. 0:18:38.690 --> 0:18:38.750 65. 0:18:38.730 --> 0:18:46.330 We are now. It's somewhere between 230 to 40. And 0:18:46.350 --> 0:18:49.869 if you're in diesel land, just either side of three 0:18:49.990 --> 0:18:54.710 bucks right now. And unsurprisingly, six out of 10 people 0:18:54.830 --> 0:18:57.830 disapprove of the Prime Minister. Perhaps it's because they remember 0:18:57.910 --> 0:19:00.629 what he was like as the opposition leader when he 0:19:00.690 --> 0:19:02.730 was a far more popular figure from being able to 0:19:02.790 --> 0:19:05.330 point and blame the then government for every problem, including. 0:19:06.650 --> 0:19:09.149 Do you reckon Scott Morrison has been to a petrol 0:19:09.190 --> 0:19:13.540 station lately? Petrol prices are surging on his watch. The 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:19.930 price then, as you just saw on your screen, $ 1. 79. 0:19:18.090 --> 0:19:22.450 Right now, anywhere between $ 2. 30 and $ 3, depending on what 0:19:22.510 --> 0:19:27.350 you use. This needs to change. It needed to change yesterday. 0:19:27.410 --> 0:19:29.550 Under the coalition, they put a system in place that 0:19:29.570 --> 0:19:31.909 if global oil prices hit the level they are at 0:19:31.970 --> 0:19:35.760 right now, guess what automatically falls? The fuel tax. It's 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.899 exactly what the government should be doing. But also speaking 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:46.770 about fuel, when Russia attacked Ukraine years ago, one of 0:19:46.990 --> 0:19:50.200 the responses that the world had was to find a 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.660 way to punish Russia because it was so clear about 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:54.340 right and wrong. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:02.960 We again say to President Putin, stop this war now. 0:20:03.700 --> 0:20:09.170 Withdraw your forces now. This is an unprovoked attack No 0:20:09.260 --> 0:20:12.740 one is threatening Russia. No one is threatening Russia's sovereignty. 0:20:13.300 --> 0:20:16.880 President Putin can stop this and he can stop this 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.620 today and he should stop this today. 0:20:21.140 --> 0:20:23.260 It was right then and it is still right today. 0:20:23.780 --> 0:20:26.379 So the federal government, along with previous ones, which have 0:20:26.420 --> 0:20:28.790 always had some sort of a sanction against Russia, they 0:20:28.890 --> 0:20:31.889 really ramped it up and rightly so. You can go 0:20:31.950 --> 0:20:34.050 right now to the Department of Foreign Affairs and you 0:20:34.090 --> 0:20:36.540 can read it all. Let me Pay attention to the 0:20:36.580 --> 0:20:40.300 bottom bit there, where there's restrictions on the export or 0:20:40.340 --> 0:20:43.570 supply of certain goods or the import or purchase or 0:20:43.660 --> 0:20:48.830 transport of certain goods. One of those examples is apparently 0:20:48.910 --> 0:20:54.629 a ban that Australia has on Russian oil that becomes petrol. Why? 0:20:54.690 --> 0:20:58.969 Because that petrol, that oil, is helped to fund the 0:20:58.990 --> 0:21:01.960 war effort. In fact, there's other advisories about that from 0:21:02.020 --> 0:21:06.940 the Foreign Affairs Department. Now, I have spoken about this before, 0:21:07.700 --> 0:21:11.500 but I'm pleased to say that my discussions previously are 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.489 still true now, which is Australia is actually finding a 0:21:15.550 --> 0:21:21.389 backdoor way of using Russian oil. What happens is that 0:21:21.410 --> 0:21:24.669 the Russian oil makes its way towards refineries in the 0:21:24.710 --> 0:21:27.960 Middle East or in Asia, and then we buy it 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.600 from those refineries. So I didn't steal the TV. I 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.109 just bought the TV from the guy who stole it. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:39.939 This from Matthew Knott today in the Nine Papers. He's 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.280 sitting down. The vast majority of fuel arriving in Australia 0:21:43.580 --> 0:21:47.119 from a key Asian refinery has come from Russia, the 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.600 analysis has found, sparking warnings that motorists and businesses are 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.600 inadvertently funding Vladimir Putin's war on Ukraine. A new report 0:21:54.619 --> 0:21:57.720 from the Centre for Research and Energy in Clean Air 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:03.350 estimates that 68% of oil exported to Australia... from a 0:22:03.410 --> 0:22:07.189 refinery in Brunei in the first seven months of the 0:22:07.250 --> 0:22:12.909 year was Russian. That's up from 24% from two years ago, 24% 0:22:12.910 --> 0:22:18.800 to 68%. Now, am I blaming the government for this? No. 0:22:19.180 --> 0:22:21.760 But if the government has a hard line on Russia, 0:22:21.780 --> 0:22:25.840 then our fuel supply becomes part of that hard line. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:30.030 Just because the Russian tanker made it somewhere else, filled 0:22:30.109 --> 0:22:34.470 a tank, and then we... bought from the person who 0:22:34.650 --> 0:22:38.750 empties that tank but transports it, it's still hot property. 0:22:39.730 --> 0:22:44.470 That's the reality here. Oh, and by the way, also 0:22:44.490 --> 0:22:47.990 worth noting here that Australia is in a position to 0:22:48.030 --> 0:22:50.630 take a stand on these sorts of issues. But do 0:22:50.730 --> 0:22:54.310 I expect this government to do it as they should? No, 0:22:54.390 --> 0:22:56.770 because old mate Chris Bowen there, of course, the Climate 0:22:56.790 --> 0:23:00.790 Change and Energy Minister, he has not... He did the 0:23:00.830 --> 0:23:05.169 calls for Australia to ban slave labour being used in 0:23:05.230 --> 0:23:08.370 China to make solar panels. That's, of course, the claim 0:23:08.390 --> 0:23:11.830 being made by the enslaved Uyghur people in China, something that, 0:23:11.869 --> 0:23:15.190 by the way, and if you go, well, that's from 2021, 0:23:15.170 --> 0:23:17.350 what about from last year? The people who don't have 0:23:17.369 --> 0:23:22.010 the freedom to leave, the human cost of Australia's solar boom. Now, 0:23:22.130 --> 0:23:26.600 even Joe Biden... in between falling up the stairs and 0:23:26.619 --> 0:23:29.000 the dodderiness and all the rest of it. Even old 0:23:29.140 --> 0:23:32.800 Joe Biden saw this and banned it in the United States, 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.139 that in the United States you cannot have solar panels 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.160 or the ingredients of them that have any connection to 0:23:39.250 --> 0:23:42.770 slave labour in China. Will Australia do the same? Will 0:23:42.830 --> 0:23:45.169 Australia do the same when it comes to Russian oil? 0:23:45.990 --> 0:23:49.270 Who knows? We'll all find out together. But I think 0:23:49.310 --> 0:23:50.770 we all know one of the ways you get a 0:23:50.810 --> 0:23:55.430 Global Citizen Award is to not upset anyone. some of 0:23:55.450 --> 0:24:01.660 the bad actors of the world. Now, speaking of Chris Bowen, 0:24:01.700 --> 0:24:03.320 last one I want to show you before we get 0:24:03.340 --> 0:24:07.699 into the discussion tonight. Four Corners, last night on the ABC. Now, 0:24:07.740 --> 0:24:09.679 like a broken clock, you know, the ABC can be 0:24:09.740 --> 0:24:12.140 right a couple of times a day, right? And they 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:16.390 were talking to Chris Bowen because Chris Bowen is, of course, 0:24:16.450 --> 0:24:19.190 a massive advocate of electric vehicles. Now, I don't care 0:24:19.210 --> 0:24:20.869 about electric vehicles. Yes, I'm a petrolhead, but if you 0:24:20.890 --> 0:24:22.429 want to buy one, good luck to you, right? But 0:24:22.550 --> 0:24:22.710 I have. 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.960 One of those people who's deeply suspicious of the technology 0:24:27.010 --> 0:24:30.550 that exists in the Chinese cars. Because remember, China is 0:24:30.590 --> 0:24:35.030 not a normal country. And any of the surveillance stuff, 0:24:35.310 --> 0:24:37.429 any of the cameras, any of the microphones, any of 0:24:37.470 --> 0:24:42.900 the data, well, ultimately, like with TikTok, the Chinese have 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.780 to hand it over at a point in time when 0:24:44.820 --> 0:24:47.080 the government at any one time would demand it to be. 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.180 This was the entire point of the story. And to 0:24:51.220 --> 0:24:53.780 give you an idea of what they were able to 0:24:53.940 --> 0:24:57.869 do to Chinese vehicles, and we're talking about the biggest 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.950 seller in BYD and the brand that the climate change 0:25:02.990 --> 0:25:05.670 minister drives, this is what they presented on the ABC 0:25:05.710 --> 0:25:10.119 last night. The car is not being hacked. 0:25:10.930 --> 0:25:14.580 All we're doing is showing what data the manufacturer can 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.540 access in real time. 0:25:18.500 --> 0:25:19.660 OK, what can you see? 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:24.290 I can see every single system within that vehicle, everything 0:25:24.530 --> 0:25:28.290 from your driving state to the position of your seat. 0:25:28.869 --> 0:25:30.770 I can see that you don't have a passenger sitting 0:25:30.810 --> 0:25:34.010 next to you. Anything that's involved in the vehicle systems, 0:25:34.350 --> 0:25:35.830 I have real-time visibility of. 0:25:36.330 --> 0:25:37.359 So can you see where I am? 0:25:38.380 --> 0:25:38.879 I can. 0:25:39.060 --> 0:25:43.260 You're next to the Soccer Academy at Centennial Park in Sydney. 0:25:43.540 --> 0:25:47.780 Wow, OK, that's a little creepy. And if that didn't 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:51.439 freak you out enough, what can be done remotely to 0:25:51.940 --> 0:25:56.420 the car? Again, a hacker working out of the ACT 0:25:56.810 --> 0:26:02.470 worked with the ABC to illustrate that that little microphone 0:26:02.510 --> 0:26:04.910 which picks up when you want to change the song 0:26:05.330 --> 0:26:10.750 or maybe call for roadside assistance, guess what? They can 0:26:10.810 --> 0:26:14.550 turn it on. I know where you're going. 0:26:16.020 --> 0:26:20.140 While he's hacked the car, all he's doing is replicating 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.680 what could be controlled from China. 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:27.540 He's going around the roundabout. I guess he missed his turn, 0:26:27.660 --> 0:26:29.020 so he's going to go back down. It looks like 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:34.620 Anzac Parade. How about we turn on the microphone? 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.980 What you're about to see is a scenario we devised 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.300 to illustrate just what can be done with this kind 0:26:41.340 --> 0:26:45.460 of remote access. And don't worry, I did warn my mum. 0:26:46.470 --> 0:26:46.970 Hey, Siri. 0:26:47.030 --> 0:26:48.050 Uh-uh. 0:26:48.609 --> 0:26:54.460 Call Mum Mobile. Calling Mum Mobile Mobile. 0:26:55.940 --> 0:26:57.080 Hey, Mum, Angus here. 0:26:57.500 --> 0:26:59.160 Angus, how are you? Yeah, good, thanks. 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:00.580 Did you get out for coffee this morning? 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.240 I certainly did. 0:27:02.300 --> 0:27:05.200 I had a lovely morning in the sun discussing books. 0:27:05.020 --> 0:27:10.560 With a friend. Wow. And then because the phone call 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.090 was being taped on that program, they were able to 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.149 turn around and take the driver's voice saying, Hey, Siri. 0:27:17.540 --> 0:27:21.160 to be able to activate the phone, to be able 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.100 to then ask a whole bunch of questions that helped 0:27:23.300 --> 0:27:26.800 unlock the fictitious bank account that apparently he was setting 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.240 up for his mum. Frightening, right? Oh, but hang on, 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.879 all the smart cars do this. Well, of course. This 0:27:32.940 --> 0:27:35.280 is part of the privacy conversation that was the wider 0:27:35.300 --> 0:27:37.379 point of the story and a wider conversation that we 0:27:37.420 --> 0:27:39.879 have to have about all this smart technology that's listening 0:27:39.900 --> 0:27:41.990 to us all the time. Where's the data kept? Who, 0:27:42.109 --> 0:27:44.889 in worst-case scenario, is able to get access to it? 0:27:46.050 --> 0:27:47.990 But the reason, of course, that I am slightly suspicious 0:27:48.109 --> 0:27:51.590 of the Chinese vehicles and how successful they are at 0:27:51.710 --> 0:27:54.470 not just being able to be driven all over the country, 0:27:54.530 --> 0:27:56.570 but being placed all over the country and the remote 0:27:56.609 --> 0:27:59.070 access to the cameras and the sensors, being able to 0:27:59.109 --> 0:28:02.810 turn them into sort of little mobile surveillance units, that was, again, 0:28:02.910 --> 0:28:05.850 the point of the story, denied, of course, by the 0:28:05.970 --> 0:28:10.670 two manufacturers that were the focus here. Chris Bowen, of course, 0:28:10.710 --> 0:28:12.830 drives one of these cars. And Chris Bowen isn't just 0:28:12.850 --> 0:28:16.650 the climate change minister. He's on the National Security Committee 0:28:17.060 --> 0:28:20.400 of Cabinet. So imagine what he might be talking about 0:28:20.500 --> 0:28:23.540 in his car at any one time. Well done to 0:28:23.580 --> 0:28:26.300 the ABC for hitting right between the eyes. 0:28:27.780 --> 0:28:30.780 One person who might be concerned about this is the 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:35.440 Minister for Climate Change and Energy, Chris Bowen. He drives 0:28:35.500 --> 0:28:40.000 an Xpeng G6. You drive a Chinese EV. How do 0:28:40.020 --> 0:28:40.420 you find it? 0:28:40.420 --> 0:28:41.000 It's great. 0:28:41.500 --> 0:28:46.110 Are you comfortable then that the manufacturer, Xpeng, knows, for example, 0:28:46.450 --> 0:28:51.770 your home address, your real-time location, the charge on your battery, 0:28:52.090 --> 0:28:55.070 whether your alarm is off or on, whether the doors 0:28:55.130 --> 0:28:56.930 are unlocked, the position of your seat? 0:28:56.950 --> 0:29:00.459 The point I'd make, Angus, is whether a car is 0:29:00.500 --> 0:29:04.480 electric or not, it doesn't matter what the motor is, right? 0:29:05.620 --> 0:29:08.240 Car manufacturers do have access to those sorts of information 0:29:08.300 --> 0:29:11.180 increasingly because every car now is basically connected, every new car. 0:29:11.660 --> 0:29:14.120 Whether it's an electric car, whether it's made in China, Korea, 0:29:14.140 --> 0:29:16.220 in the United States, they're connected to the grid. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.070 So you're telling me you are not concerned that a 0:29:20.210 --> 0:29:24.190 Chinese manufacturer knows very intimate patterns. 0:29:23.830 --> 0:29:24.470 Of your life? 0:29:25.070 --> 0:29:26.910 I mean, most constituents of mine know where I am 0:29:26.970 --> 0:29:27.590 on most days. 0:29:27.750 --> 0:29:29.510 I think you're being a bit dismissive of that, though. 0:29:29.530 --> 0:29:30.030 Well, you could say that. 0:29:30.050 --> 0:29:32.790 Like, this is granular detail about your life. 0:29:32.910 --> 0:29:34.470 Well, I'm comfortable. 0:29:35.390 --> 0:29:36.390 with the arrangements. 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.910 Well of course the local constituents don't have the ability 0:29:39.930 --> 0:29:43.960 to listen to the freaking microphone in your car. Again, 0:29:44.900 --> 0:29:48.180 this story's really interesting. I've given you the short version 0:29:48.220 --> 0:29:51.320 of it, but the challenge to government... is to be 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.220 able to work out that, yes, someone makes it. Yes, 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.130 someone wants to buy it. But should somebody know up 0:29:57.350 --> 0:30:00.530 front what they are buying? Should you know in big, 0:30:00.830 --> 0:30:06.330 bold letters what you are buying? Not the 535th page 0:30:06.350 --> 0:30:09.670 of Terms and Conditions that no one reads. Because I 0:30:09.710 --> 0:30:12.690 reckon it would be a different conversation before you've made 0:30:12.710 --> 0:30:15.560 the choice or not to purchase the product. For me, 0:30:17.420 --> 0:30:21.950 I'll be buying a 1983 Commodore ASAP. More in a 0:30:21.970 --> 0:30:24.500 moment here on Paul Murray Live. Lots to discuss, lots 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.280 to talk about, including, yeah, the Channel 9 KKK thing. 0:30:27.740 --> 0:30:31.360 How stupid was this? So ridiculous. But, you know, what 0:30:31.380 --> 0:30:33.860 a surprise. They thought in the past two weeks if 0:30:33.900 --> 0:30:35.600 they whack her and whack her as hard as they can, 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.400 guess what will happen to the polls? Well, guess what 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.590 did happen in the polls? The exact opposite. More in 0:30:40.610 --> 0:30:46.710 a second. Thank you very much for watching. Joining me 0:30:46.730 --> 0:30:48.670 in the man cave right now from the PR Council. 0:30:48.710 --> 0:30:50.550 She's also doing some good work with Redbridge. She's known 0:30:50.590 --> 0:30:52.690 as the wonderful Christy McSweeney. Lovely to see you, my friend. 0:30:52.710 --> 0:30:53.790 So great to be here. 0:30:54.030 --> 0:30:55.520 Speaking of here to help is none other than our 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.300 old mate Steve Conroy. Of course, official board member, and 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.860 I should say, you know, Mr. Board Member, we appreciate it. 0:31:01.900 --> 0:31:03.480 Thank you, of course. And he's always here to help. 0:31:03.820 --> 0:31:06.880 So I know everyone's heard about it a little bit 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.600 throughout the night, but I've got to throw in my 0:31:08.620 --> 0:31:12.050 two cents here, right? which was Channel 9 going to 0:31:12.110 --> 0:31:16.190 find the KKK to see what they think about Pauline Hanson. Now, 0:31:16.470 --> 0:31:18.770 this was part of a wider program that was about 0:31:18.830 --> 0:31:22.030 Trump's America. I'm familiar with how to put such programs together, 0:31:22.250 --> 0:31:24.330 but I'm also familiar that when we were putting our 0:31:24.410 --> 0:31:27.370 one together, that we tried to avoid the cliches, right, 0:31:27.610 --> 0:31:29.410 of let's go and find the weirdest and the wildest. 0:31:29.430 --> 0:31:33.090 We tried to find it normal, right? And, again, that 0:31:33.130 --> 0:31:36.090 was our whole theory. But it's sort of pretty low-hanging 0:31:36.130 --> 0:31:38.270 fruit to go, let's go to the KKK and... had 0:31:38.290 --> 0:31:41.950 them say crazy racist stuff about Trump. And then because, obviously, 0:31:41.990 --> 0:31:44.690 behind the scenes, somebody was trying to... I don't know, 0:31:44.730 --> 0:31:48.060 somehow Pauline Hanson comes up, apparently from the KKK, person 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:53.000 suggesting it, because I'm presuming the four-second Google that happened beforehand. But, look, 0:31:53.260 --> 0:31:55.880 you've seen it all night, but if you haven't, this 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:57.660 was the moment that went to air. 0:31:59.010 --> 0:32:03.530 The Ku Klux Klan director brought Hansen up, unprompted, as 0:32:03.590 --> 0:32:05.410 we were preparing for our interview. 0:32:05.770 --> 0:32:08.310 She is demonized by the same element of people that 0:32:08.350 --> 0:32:11.110 wants to demonize us. What I understand of her is 0:32:11.150 --> 0:32:15.270 she's concerned about the immigrants, especially from Asia, China and 0:32:15.310 --> 0:32:19.120 so on, coming into Australia and changing the racial complex 0:32:19.410 --> 0:32:22.510 of Australia. changing the culture, changing all the things that 0:32:22.550 --> 0:32:26.080 the people love and hold dear and change into something different. 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:27.480 And she wants to restrict that. 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.940 Is it heartening for you to see someone like anti-immigration 0:32:30.980 --> 0:32:32.640 Pauline Hanson doing well in Australia? 0:32:32.660 --> 0:32:37.380 Yeah, yeah, it's encouraging. Absolutely. Now, let's say the view 0:32:37.460 --> 0:32:40.350 is the obvious here, right, which is I don't think 0:32:40.390 --> 0:32:42.890 that should have happened, right? Obviously, it was an attempt 0:32:42.910 --> 0:32:45.330 to try to create a moment and then they'll be 0:32:45.350 --> 0:32:48.490 high-fiving because they've created a moment. Pauline Hanson didn't take 0:32:48.530 --> 0:32:51.050 it lying down. She shoved it back pretty hard, particularly 0:32:51.070 --> 0:32:54.870 when it came to socials here. So Stephen Conroy is 0:32:54.910 --> 0:32:56.970 a person who has no plans of voting or supporting 0:32:57.050 --> 0:33:00.660 One Nation any time soon. Help or hurt this sort 0:33:00.700 --> 0:33:01.300 of nonsense? 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.500 Well, look, Pauline Hanson's made a career of playing the victim. 0:33:07.100 --> 0:33:10.960 So this is playing into her hands again. I mean, 0:33:11.060 --> 0:33:12.640 this is a bloke I think I saw on Andrew 0:33:12.860 --> 0:33:17.140 Bolt's show earlier. that has actually talked about Pauline Hanson 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:22.550 in a 2017 interview done by Channel 9. So this 0:33:22.610 --> 0:33:27.709 is a bloke that obviously knows of Hanson. But for 0:33:27.750 --> 0:33:29.810 people to then try and say that she has Ku 0:33:29.830 --> 0:33:32.650 Klux Klan policies or values. 0:33:32.990 --> 0:33:34.790 It's just a waste. 0:33:34.530 --> 0:33:38.630 Of time and space. Ask her about her policies. Ask 0:33:38.670 --> 0:33:40.360 her to explain how a policy is going to work. 0:33:40.380 --> 0:33:42.360 I mean, you saw the shambles for a couple of 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.880 weeks where they couldn't even define what their policy was. 0:33:45.620 --> 0:33:47.480 And they had three or four different policies. I mean 0:33:47.500 --> 0:33:50.760 they've settled now on a position. But just ask her 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.570 questions about her policies. Don't let her play the victim. 0:33:53.650 --> 0:33:57.130 Don't let her pretend you're suddenly attacking me because I'm 0:33:57.170 --> 0:33:58.010 Pauline Hanson. 0:33:58.050 --> 0:33:58.290 No. 0:33:58.850 --> 0:34:01.940 You're advocating to be Prime Minister of Australia. We're entitled 0:34:01.980 --> 0:34:04.900 to ask you those questions. Don't give her the victim 0:34:05.620 --> 0:34:08.920 status that she seeks to put on herself at all times. 0:34:09.060 --> 0:34:11.160 Well, we're going to talk about GetUp because whether they 0:34:11.219 --> 0:34:13.400 are going to play right into this or not, we'll 0:34:13.420 --> 0:34:16.000 get into in a second. Christy, again, I thought it 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.759 was very clever for her to respond as aggressively as 0:34:18.820 --> 0:34:22.390 she did about all of this. Again, you know, they 0:34:22.410 --> 0:34:24.450 didn't send a dude from Australia there. It was a 0:34:24.489 --> 0:34:26.230 guy who already works there, but they were going for 0:34:26.250 --> 0:34:28.910 the low-hanging fruit. How does this hurt her? 0:34:29.850 --> 0:34:30.820 I don't think it does hurt her. 0:34:31.270 --> 0:34:31.730 It doesn't. 0:34:32.010 --> 0:34:35.069 I completely agree with Stephen. This gives her an opportunity 0:34:35.130 --> 0:34:36.750 to do a number of things. The first thing is 0:34:36.790 --> 0:34:40.270 to say, look at that mainstream press. Don't listen to 0:34:40.310 --> 0:34:43.550 the traditional media. They just want to spread hate about 0:34:43.700 --> 0:34:47.000 me and everybody who supports me. The second thing is, 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:52.040 at Redbridge, when we have looked into the, you know, 0:34:52.380 --> 0:34:56.060 the tribe of One Nation and what people particularly think 0:34:56.100 --> 0:35:00.259 about Pauline, My colleague, Alex Fine, did some incredible work 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:04.680 around how people bond to Pauline Hanson. Unlike other politicians 0:35:04.739 --> 0:35:08.469 in Australia, they view her as she's a personal friend. 0:35:08.810 --> 0:35:10.109 She's one of us. 0:35:10.510 --> 0:35:13.350 And, you know, Gina Reinhart giving her a plane or 0:35:13.390 --> 0:35:17.980 the media attacking her, they just think... Well, they would 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.739 do that because she's one of us, she's a normal person. 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.260 No wonder one of us who become successful gets attacked 0:35:24.340 --> 0:35:28.060 in this way. They almost have this parasocial relationship with her. 0:35:28.110 --> 0:35:30.230 And, again, I've talked about it here, about when the 0:35:30.390 --> 0:35:33.430 union movement was lining up and going after industrial relations, 0:35:33.570 --> 0:35:36.049 yet there's clearly a little bit of movement there from 0:35:36.090 --> 0:35:39.129 those Labor One Mission curious people, right? But this sort 0:35:39.170 --> 0:35:41.520 of personal gear, which is all sort of fun, lights 0:35:41.580 --> 0:35:46.630 up blue sky... No, thank you... uh, Michelle Bullock, yet again, 0:35:46.690 --> 0:35:48.629 kind of giving us the idea of a couple more 0:35:48.690 --> 0:35:51.310 rate rises. Now, politically, that's going to be massive problems 0:35:51.330 --> 0:35:53.860 for the government, but more importantly, for the third of 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.000 the country that's trying to pay off a house. Like, 0:35:56.020 --> 0:35:59.020 can you... A more frustrating message at all that we 0:35:59.060 --> 0:36:01.779 got from the Reserve Bank Governor today. Roll the tape. 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.359 I'm not signalling anything. I'm only one person on the board, 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.160 so I can't tell you what the board will want 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.770 to do. The only thing we've been doing in the 0:36:11.810 --> 0:36:17.160 past few weeks is we highlighted after our most recent 0:36:17.180 --> 0:36:20.460 meeting that we felt that the inflation risks were skewed 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:21.219 to the upside. 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.600 But she also built the cap, which was prices will 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.020 never go down. It is all now just a conversation 0:36:27.060 --> 0:36:29.759 about by the margin by which they continue to go up. 0:36:30.340 --> 0:36:32.100 Yet the only button they have is the one that 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.660 they look like they're going to push another couple of times, 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.069 which Christy, I don't quite understand because, again, the people 0:36:38.090 --> 0:36:40.810 that it punishes are the people who theoretically have already 0:36:40.890 --> 0:36:44.569 received 15 increases in the interest rates and who are 0:36:44.790 --> 0:36:45.469 right on the limit. 0:36:46.210 --> 0:36:47.379 And people are feeling it, Paul. 0:36:47.550 --> 0:36:48.299 Yeah, bloody oath. 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.160 You know, people who are traditional sort of working class, 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.080 for want of a better word, because I don't believe 0:36:54.100 --> 0:36:57.200 in that term, right, have been feeling it for quite 0:36:57.219 --> 0:37:01.089 some time. People who have an average mortgage in Sydney 0:37:01.150 --> 0:37:04.390 and Melbourne now You know, Sydney's 1.6, Melbourne I think 0:37:04.450 --> 0:37:08.310 is 1.2, might be falling a little bit. They're stretched 0:37:08.330 --> 0:37:11.009 to the limit if you've got kids. And making a 0:37:11.130 --> 0:37:15.510 pretty good income in this country, you are still feeling 0:37:15.550 --> 0:37:20.049 incredibly poor. Productivity is very low. Inflation still tries to 0:37:20.070 --> 0:37:22.509 track high. And that's why you've got One Nation out 0:37:22.530 --> 0:37:24.830 there saying, hey, you can dip into your super, right? 0:37:24.870 --> 0:37:25.130 Correct. 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.480 And you've got the coalition, although they haven't said it 0:37:27.500 --> 0:37:29.990 for a while, and I don't know why not, have 0:37:30.010 --> 0:37:34.070 been saying, hey, we think, you know, young first homebuyers 0:37:34.090 --> 0:37:36.730 can dip into this. But, oh, hey, what about bracket creep? 0:37:37.230 --> 0:37:38.710 It'd be nice if they mentioned the bracket creep, the 0:37:39.030 --> 0:37:42.010 single most popular thing that came out of the damn budget. But, yeah, 0:37:42.090 --> 0:37:44.330 let's not get started on their message game. 0:37:44.350 --> 0:37:46.950 That's an offset to Labor not managing inflation. You can 0:37:47.010 --> 0:37:50.250 talk about the inflation with the bracket creep, but they 0:37:50.310 --> 0:37:50.920 don't do it. 0:37:51.310 --> 0:37:52.529 But people are. 0:37:53.630 --> 0:37:56.670 and it is coming for Labor out there in the community. 0:37:57.190 --> 0:38:00.489 It may not be baseball bat yet, but I can 0:38:00.530 --> 0:38:04.650 tell you this, the cost of living and the disgruntlement 0:38:04.790 --> 0:38:09.860 towards the Albanese government is feeding into our polling in Victoria. 0:38:10.510 --> 0:38:14.180 It is making a dent in the Labor brand. Now, 0:38:14.219 --> 0:38:17.080 the Victorian Labor Party have done enough work on themselves 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.620 for that brand to be toast, right? 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.500 There's more pothole than road for them at the moment. 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:21.640 Right? 0:38:21.700 --> 0:38:22.239 So I'm not. 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:23.690 You know, they've done enough of. 0:38:23.739 --> 0:38:25.510 They've lifted the heavy load there. 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.950 But the federal upset, the cost of living and the 0:38:30.010 --> 0:38:33.250 changes to the CGT and the negative gearing, that is 0:38:33.270 --> 0:38:36.070 eating the Labor brand as well. There is a sentiment 0:38:36.150 --> 0:38:38.070 out there... It might be a little bit on the 0:38:38.110 --> 0:38:39.570 back burner, but it's coming. 0:38:39.910 --> 0:38:41.390 Fascinating to see. I do want to get to smart 0:38:41.410 --> 0:38:43.250 cars in a second here. So, Stephen, can you save 0:38:43.270 --> 0:38:46.250 it to the usual five-minute rant about the Reserve Bank? 0:38:46.270 --> 0:38:47.670 Just give me the bumper sticker version. 0:38:48.469 --> 0:38:48.640 Yeah. 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.279 So, look, I agree with most of what Christy just 0:38:51.300 --> 0:38:51.640 said there. 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.120 I think they're very, very valid points. 0:38:55.060 --> 0:38:57.920 The Reserve Bank, Michelle Bullock's actually said it, but I 0:38:57.940 --> 0:39:02.509 think unemployment's got to hit close to 5%. Now, That's 0:39:02.530 --> 0:39:04.820 just not an acceptable statement from a Reserve Bank governor. 0:39:04.860 --> 0:39:07.560 I mean, these are people's lives she's playing with. These 0:39:07.620 --> 0:39:09.620 are people's lives. She's going to be putting people on 0:39:09.660 --> 0:39:13.980 the unemployment list. They're going to lose their house. And 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.960 they've done nothing wrong. There is no wage explosion. It's 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.950 like the Loch Ness Monster, the Reserve Bank looking for 0:39:20.989 --> 0:39:23.770 a wage explosion. They were at it again the last 0:39:24.070 --> 0:39:26.460 week or two. You know, she keeps talking about it. 0:39:26.570 --> 0:39:30.720 It's never happened. It's never arrived. And it's not going 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:36.380 to arrive. So stop blaming the people at the bottom 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.340 half of the economy. This is driven by profits of companies. 0:39:39.420 --> 0:39:44.480 It's driven by, unfortunately, Donald Trump's failed execution of of 0:39:44.700 --> 0:39:47.380 his war in the Middle East. It's driven by the 0:39:47.660 --> 0:39:50.160 Houthis cutting off the Saudis oil, it's driven by the 0:39:50.340 --> 0:39:54.410 Russians and the Ukrainians, and it's not driven by workers 0:39:54.610 --> 0:40:00.000 in this country. Stop pretending there's some wage explosion as 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.120 an excuse for what you're about to do to these people. 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:04.299 Now, gang, I've got Nigel Farage standing by, but I 0:40:04.340 --> 0:40:06.880 do just want to get, again, just a little taster 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.430 from both of you about this smart car stuff. Again, 0:40:09.469 --> 0:40:11.850 Four Corners last night, the story was phenomenal. I showed 0:40:11.890 --> 0:40:14.589 the shorter version here. The idea that Chris Bowen, oh, well, 0:40:14.610 --> 0:40:16.790 everyone knows where I am. Mate, no one can, they 0:40:16.830 --> 0:40:21.340 can't hack into the microphone in your car. The overall 0:40:21.380 --> 0:40:24.509 point being, right, to me the overall point being, Stephen, 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.390 that we have to keep right up with the standards 0:40:27.690 --> 0:40:29.430 to go, okay, if you're going to buy this stuff, 0:40:29.630 --> 0:40:31.370 you need to know all of this is what comes 0:40:31.430 --> 0:40:33.109 with when you buy it. Well, nine out of ten 0:40:33.130 --> 0:40:34.629 people say, I don't care, I've got nothing to hide. 0:40:34.730 --> 0:40:34.969 Sure. 0:40:35.250 --> 0:40:38.009 But people need to know that these possibilities exist and 0:40:38.050 --> 0:40:41.390 that there's a difference between a Chinese-homed product and an 0:40:41.430 --> 0:40:42.410 American-homed product. 0:40:44.410 --> 0:40:46.740 I wouldn't buy a Chinese car if you paid me, Paul. 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.839 That's probably the simplest answer to say. I wouldn't trust them. 0:40:50.700 --> 0:40:53.850 I don't want them going through my life. I mean, yes, 0:40:53.950 --> 0:40:56.560 the American companies aren't much better but they're just doing 0:40:56.580 --> 0:40:59.290 it for profit. The Chinese want to surveil you. 0:40:59.590 --> 0:41:01.069 And use it against you. 0:41:01.890 --> 0:41:04.650 Not a great distinction, but I'll stick with our system 0:41:04.670 --> 0:41:05.350 rather than theirs. 0:41:05.410 --> 0:41:07.149 Yes, it is these fine splitting of hairs of which 0:41:07.210 --> 0:41:09.170 I completely agree with the splitting when it comes to 0:41:09.190 --> 0:41:09.770 this in our own secret. 0:41:09.790 --> 0:41:11.750 The lesser of the two evils, Stephen. 0:41:11.770 --> 0:41:14.230 Yeah, correct. They're both fine, but which one? I appreciate it. 0:41:14.250 --> 0:41:16.469 Thank you, guys. Nigel Farage, he joins us next. So 0:41:16.510 --> 0:41:19.270 much to discuss with him about broken Britain, about how 0:41:19.290 --> 0:41:21.370 to fix it and about how to call out the 0:41:21.430 --> 0:41:24.009 BS that is growing there by the day. The Great 0:41:24.030 --> 0:41:30.420 Man next on Paul Murray Live. It's time for the 0:41:30.460 --> 0:41:35.569 man who's never boring. Great Nigel Farage joins us now 0:41:35.610 --> 0:41:38.770 from London, the Reform Party leader, future Prime Minister, we hope, certainly. 0:41:38.810 --> 0:41:42.589 Lovely to see you, mate. I cannot believe how dumb 0:41:42.610 --> 0:41:44.910 the Labor Party could be, right, when supposedly they've just 0:41:44.950 --> 0:41:46.890 had a big reset and they're ready and it's about 0:41:46.930 --> 0:41:48.570 the man from the north and number 10 north and 0:41:48.590 --> 0:41:49.950 all the rest of it, right, and I'm different and 0:41:50.210 --> 0:41:52.130 I don't do press conferences out the front of number 10, 0:41:52.130 --> 0:41:54.270 I do them in the backyard of number 10. Okay, 0:41:54.310 --> 0:41:56.850 that'll change the world. He gets asked a question about 0:41:56.870 --> 0:41:59.830 the EU and rather than saying, no, go away, no way, 0:41:59.890 --> 0:42:02.650 that's dealt with, see you later, he leaves the damn 0:42:02.730 --> 0:42:03.489 door open. 0:42:07.290 --> 0:42:10.890 Yep, he certainly does, just as, you know, Keir Starmer 0:42:10.910 --> 0:42:14.870 was talking about resets and closer alignment, and Burnham's gone 0:42:14.890 --> 0:42:17.450 a whole step further. And it just goes to show, 0:42:17.810 --> 0:42:21.840 with that, with him bringing the ridiculous giveaway of the 0:42:21.890 --> 0:42:27.460 Chagos Islands to Mauritius, or China, really, that actually this 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:29.680 Prime Minister, who was going to be the most revolutionary 0:42:29.700 --> 0:42:33.260 Prime Minister in 40 years, fundamentally going to change everything, 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:38.930 actually is now a continuity... Labour Prime Minister, going back 0:42:38.989 --> 0:42:43.489 to all the old ideas that failed totally and miserably. 0:42:43.820 --> 0:42:46.660 And here he is this week at the United Nations 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.740 with his fellow globalists and no doubt in his element. 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.980 We are going to see no change from this man 0:42:54.020 --> 0:42:58.600 at all. We have deteriorating public finances. Nothing's getting better. 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.120 And he might smile a lot. He might have better 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.450 PR than Keir Starmer. But frankly, it's more of the same. 0:43:04.450 --> 0:43:07.120 100%. I've got to ask you, again, sort of one 0:43:07.140 --> 0:43:08.760 off the top of the head here about the EU, 0:43:09.100 --> 0:43:12.260 which was, you said a couple of weeks ago, Canada 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:16.430 with associate membership, right? hopefully, that doesn't mean that any 0:43:16.450 --> 0:43:19.410 of the stupid decisions of the EU binds Canada, but 0:43:19.450 --> 0:43:24.050 the idea of trying to form a closer relationship with 0:43:24.550 --> 0:43:27.920 such a massive trading partner for the United States. I 0:43:27.980 --> 0:43:32.160 was not frightened, but I just was utterly surprised that 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:36.640 a country whose political leadership has got such advantage out 0:43:36.820 --> 0:43:39.950 of Trump's comments about the 51st state and turning them in, 0:43:39.950 --> 0:43:42.410 you know, not a prime minister, a governor, would do 0:43:42.650 --> 0:43:45.750 anything to seem like it was anything other than a 0:43:45.770 --> 0:43:48.669 country on its own two feet. Instead, normal people don't 0:43:48.710 --> 0:43:52.190 know the distinction between full membership and associate membership of 0:43:52.450 --> 0:43:53.469 Canada and the EU. 0:43:53.730 --> 0:43:58.200 What do you think of that? Well, it's almost like 0:43:58.219 --> 0:44:01.410 a surrender, isn't it? Oh, dear, America's threatened us, so 0:44:01.430 --> 0:44:03.950 let's go and join another club. Rather than we're Canada, 0:44:04.210 --> 0:44:07.190 we'll make our own way. It's the basic sovereignty point. 0:44:07.650 --> 0:44:11.719 No association with the European Union does not involve a 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:16.440 loss of sovereignty in some way, whether it's standardising rules, laws, 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.319 whatever it may be. But that's Mark Carney all over. 0:44:19.340 --> 0:44:21.180 I mean, he was governor of the Bank of England 0:44:21.219 --> 0:44:25.049 during the Brexit campaign, urging us to stay in. All 0:44:25.090 --> 0:44:29.790 his instincts are globalist. All his instincts are fundamentally against 0:44:29.830 --> 0:44:36.430 the nation state, really counting and really meaning very much. So, yeah, 0:44:36.550 --> 0:44:39.080 I think it's a very, very bad error. And frankly, 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:43.380 all it does... is to further antagonise an American president 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.500 who does whatever you think of his decisions, but he 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.460 does believe in the nation state very, very strongly, and 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.839 he hates the whole concept of European Union. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:54.459 Now, I mean, so much is always made about how 0:44:54.500 --> 0:44:56.859 the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom would get along 0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.180 with the US President, the special relationship, obviously the X 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.440 factors of whether it's a Trump or a Biden, whether 0:45:02.500 --> 0:45:05.669 it's a Burnham or a Farage, right? But You must 0:45:05.750 --> 0:45:09.029 see things like the UN General Assembly or an EU 0:45:09.070 --> 0:45:11.259 gathering or a G8 or a G20, and you see 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.739 the way they all interact with each other, right? And obviously, 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.880 there's that interpersonal kindness, which you obviously would extend to everyone. 0:45:18.900 --> 0:45:21.689 You're a very charming chap. But give us a little 0:45:21.750 --> 0:45:26.410 insight into... Would you bring swagger to the world stage 0:45:26.450 --> 0:45:30.009 on the behalf of the UK, a scepticism, a want 0:45:30.090 --> 0:45:33.230 to go one-on-one rather than sort of the group photos? 0:45:33.270 --> 0:45:37.750 When you think about Prime Minister Farage potentially, what's he 0:45:37.810 --> 0:45:41.069 like on things like the United Nations stage? 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:47.060 Well, swagger's a mistake. I mean, swagger is not what 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:51.950 the Brits do. But self-confidence... That's what we want to see. 0:45:52.110 --> 0:45:56.370 We want to see a prime minister who exhibits self-confidence, 0:45:56.790 --> 0:46:00.170 who shows that he or she are not out of 0:46:00.250 --> 0:46:04.940 their depth, prepared to play the game with the family 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.339 photographs or whatever it may be, but actually wanting pretty 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:13.350 intense one-on-one negotiations. And This meeting that will take place 0:46:13.390 --> 0:46:17.070 later today between Burnham and Trump couldn't come at a 0:46:17.190 --> 0:46:20.730 more important time. You know, the world is in a very, 0:46:21.210 --> 0:46:25.390 very dangerous place. We've got an American president saying things 0:46:25.450 --> 0:46:28.650 about Ireland, saying things about the Falkland Islands that are 0:46:29.150 --> 0:46:31.950 really problematic. And I'm going to say to you, you know, 0:46:31.969 --> 0:46:35.640 I mentioned this last week. If Burnham sits there and 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.420 says we're going to pay to give the Chagos Islands 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:45.200 to Mauritius... And given that Mauritius is absolutely being controlled 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:49.460 by China, I think Trump will erupt. He'll erupt because 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:54.440 Diego Garcia is strategically the most important military base America 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.259 has in the world. And my advice to the Prime 0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:01.340 Minister would be, drop the Chagos deal, give Trump something 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.839 at the start of the negotiation, and then he'll start 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.980 to give back. That's how business people work. You give 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.580 me something, I'll give you something. But here's the problem. 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.200 Virtually no one these days who goes to represent our 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.800 country has ever been in business, has ever been part 0:47:18.380 --> 0:47:22.680 of negotiations and understands human psychology. You're dealing with an 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:26.479 American president, but you're dealing with a dealmaker, and that's 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:26.879 the point. 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:29.500 Oh, get him in there. Get him in there now, 0:47:29.540 --> 0:47:31.100 all right? But we'll wait and see whether it's an 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.120 early election or one in a couple of years' time. 0:47:33.140 --> 0:47:34.950 But certainly, I love that. It's a wonderful thing. Swagger's 0:47:34.989 --> 0:47:37.029 the wrong approach. It's beautifully said. That's not what the 0:47:37.050 --> 0:47:39.230 Brits do. Class is what they do, and you are 0:47:39.290 --> 0:47:43.840 all class, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you, Nigel. He's a 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.770 good man. Nigel Farage, you can see him on GB News, 0:47:45.810 --> 0:47:47.830 of course, or, of course, every now and then you 0:47:47.850 --> 0:47:48.930 get to see him pop up and ask a question 0:47:48.969 --> 0:47:51.549 in Prime Minister's Questions, getting a bit of line and 0:47:51.570 --> 0:47:53.529 length thing before it'd be him, the one answering them 0:47:53.770 --> 0:47:55.660 after the next election. That's what the polls tell us. 0:47:56.020 --> 0:47:58.000 Quick break. Back with more. Before we're done, late debate 0:47:58.020 --> 0:48:00.000 in a few minutes' time. What have they done on 0:48:00.060 --> 0:48:03.660 social media today? The politicians, showbiz for ugly people, you 0:48:03.700 --> 0:48:06.390 pay for it, and I show it because I try 0:48:06.410 --> 0:48:14.739 to have a laugh at them. Before we go, what 0:48:14.780 --> 0:48:16.779 did they do while you were working? Well, of course, 0:48:16.900 --> 0:48:20.380 nothing apart from dumb social media videos like this. The 0:48:20.420 --> 0:48:21.600 member for Bennelong. 0:48:22.620 --> 0:48:24.300 Why don't scientists trust atoms? 0:48:24.700 --> 0:48:24.939 Why? 0:48:25.020 --> 0:48:26.280 Because they make up everything. 0:48:26.300 --> 0:48:29.259 Is that all right? What do you call a fake noodle? What? 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:34.060 An impasta. Excellent. A little bit funny. A little bit funny. 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.640 A little bit funny. Corinne Monholland is a Labor senator, 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.490 and what did she do while you were working today? 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:40.980 It's R U OK? 0:48:41.060 --> 0:48:43.239 Day and I thought I would check in on some 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:46.489 of the people in my Facebook comments. Sonny says, you've 0:48:46.530 --> 0:48:49.550 got more roles than a Michelin man, you fat mole. 0:48:51.350 --> 0:48:56.169 Far out. I mean, could have been answering letters from 0:48:56.630 --> 0:48:59.170 constituents or dare I say meeting them? No, no, I've 0:48:59.190 --> 0:49:02.629 got a video to mark. The reading bad tweets thing 0:49:02.730 --> 0:49:06.480 was a boring thing 10 years ago when Jimmy Kimmel 0:49:06.500 --> 0:49:09.310 was doing it. 2026 is boring now. See you again 0:49:09.330 --> 0:49:11.000 tomorrow where our special guest is Megan Kelly.