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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you to Cap Durg and of course the

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Speaker 2: of course the Fox Footy Podcast. You'll notice I'm Octory

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Speaker 2: Jones all Ben Waterworth. I am, in fact David's Peta

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Speaker 2: and I'm joining you. Max. You're about to speak.

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Speaker 3: Why did who let him back in? Is this my

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Speaker 2: That's Max Lawton and we are also joined by Will Faulkner.

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Speaker 4: Hello athman, David.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's good to see you, going to be with you,

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Speaker 2: and it's this is so I haven't written. I noticed

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Speaker 2: what Drew did last week and be prepared. Yeah. But

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Speaker 2: our code, our creed, our church. Oh that's a bit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the big the three c's as they call it.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just a game. It's all good, all right,

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Speaker 2: That's good. It has been quite some time, but I

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Speaker 4: Had a few cameos last year.

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Speaker 2: I sort of popped into the office and just said

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Speaker 2: a talk. Can I just very quickly before we because

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Speaker 2: Law Yes, loyal, very good. I've noticed there is So

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Speaker 2: We've got SEG one, which we are currently in. Welcome

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Speaker 2: everyone to SEG one. This is the intro segment. Correc's

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Speaker 2: what we're currently doing. Seg two will have some big

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Speaker 2: Seg four is the mail bank? Now where? And of

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Speaker 2: course seg five is the tips? Where is Kevin's book? Kevin?

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Speaker 3: I got like a DVD of Kevin for Christmas? Kevin Sheedy.

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Speaker 3: Of course, last year Great contributed to the Shacks, would.

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Speaker 2: Read out preferences passages from Kevin Sheedy's book called A

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was one of them. I was going to say,

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Speaker 2: They do operate a little bit different, and so so

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Speaker 2: do we here at the Fox Footy Podcast. We have

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Speaker 2: lots of segments. And to the end of our first segment,

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Speaker 2: that very much. It's now time for our second segment.

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Speaker 2: We don't have any intro stings for the second segment.

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Speaker 2: Very good. The big takeaway, thank you. The big takeaways

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Speaker 2: some very good matches. Now, I think Gold Coast and Geelong.

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Speaker 4: For you, absolutely, I think we all felt that they

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Speaker 3: Rated game ever from him, which is well he kicked

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Speaker 2: Of course he did, But that's what I've been to.

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Speaker 3: Opening around or round one. We get it brought into

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Speaker 2: Well they were also were about to ask you more

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Speaker 4: No, No, the game was entirely in their terms in

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Speaker 2: This has happened to them. They'd be the team I'm

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Speaker 3: It was such a Carlton game. It was crazy, wasting

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Speaker 2: You can't so you can. You can see twelve goals

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Speaker 3: Well, what's wrong is they're not a great team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so and I don't know what again, what the

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Speaker 2: But again it's just there's just alarm bells going off

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Speaker 3: Oh, you can't be losing that, not like last year. No, no,

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Speaker 2: So the tribunals again, I don't know what time people

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Speaker 2: but of course the Brisbane tribunals will be held tonight.

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Speaker 2: So we've got Darcy Gardner's strike or hit when Aaron

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Speaker 3: Very annoying for someone who's supposed to be finishing their

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know why you would not put

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Speaker 2: It's not like it's not like a support act. It's

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Speaker 3: Much like Harris Andrews commands their own show.

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Speaker 2: You would think, But I just don't understand, Like, why

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Speaker 3: Especially because they're FM the same club. If you have

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Speaker 2: Of course, surely Harris Andrews is the one you want

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Speaker 2: I think the only real way they're going to get

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a difficult argument to make that the

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Speaker 3: it was not at all an intentional act other than

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Speaker 2: Always. It always amuses me and frustrates me. I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, if you had to put a

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just it's a bit weary because I haven't

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Speaker 1: Fox Foody Podcast, another strong edition of Australia's favorite segment,

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Speaker 1: Fair or Fast?

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Speaker 2: That was it? There we go. That was Kath. She's

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Speaker 2: in Paris, and I just don't know why anyway.

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Speaker 3: Because we don't have time to record a new introll.

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Speaker 2: Record a new one and then I can be part

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Speaker 3: Well, they'll enjoy your professional hosting though, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and they know the podcast.

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Speaker 4: I know when you go from segment to segment.

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Speaker 2: Correct, it's true because you want very we're going up

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Speaker 2: to this, We're going up. But I think Spotify now

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Speaker 2: Any gray and so will I'll ask you to kick

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Speaker 4: I just knew I was going to get the Dan

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Speaker 2: This is the same Dougherty question.

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Speaker 4: Don't have to as a result of Dane yes, totally

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Speaker 2: Oh he can't be sharing playing it on.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that Dan Gridge wasn't a complete media professional.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked by this. But he like, he does his

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Speaker 2: But I think to his he has I think he

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Speaker 2: Said, I don't regret what I said. I'm just sorry

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Speaker 4: Sorry, but I'm not taking my glasses off. Very good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you from OLDT Corry Wethington. Please fear fast the

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Speaker 4: I think the general sentiment from what I've been able

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Speaker 2: Was saying that bloody Earth they would in a.

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Speaker 4: Very non professional manner, which is the entire intension of

438
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Speaker 4: the voice message, because it was meant for one person

439
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,719
Speaker 4: and it's been brought to millions. So yeah, I think

440
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Speaker 4: it's probably a little bit unfair. It feels like optically

441
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Speaker 4: they might be walking away a little bit from the

442
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Speaker 4: performance and the sentiment of the message. But I also

443
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Speaker 4: understand what Voss. You were Michael Voss or was Drew?

444
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Speaker 2: I Drew was there this morning.

445
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Speaker 3: But you're across it.

446
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Speaker 2: I am across it. I found his comments. I didn't

447
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Speaker 2: I didn't really believe him when he said he had

448
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Speaker 2: no input into the Dockerty did. I just find it

449
00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 2: odd that he hasn't been I find it odd that

450
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Speaker 2: the senior coach of a club wouldn't be a maybe

451
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,879
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, but I think.

452
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Speaker 4: It was across it enough. He did say that they

453
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Speaker 4: had they wanted to separate from the old and the

454
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Speaker 4: new year. Yeah that I felt like that was as.

455
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Speaker 2: I find it weird that they're saying that, you know

456
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Speaker 2: that they don't want to buy into outside noise, but

457
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,880
Speaker 2: they sort of have. You know, he said they don't

458
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,680
Speaker 2: want to culturally defeat themselves, and yet the Blues, through

459
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,480
Speaker 2: their actions, have taken action on something that was external

460
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,640
Speaker 2: to their club and they've decided to take it out

461
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,399
Speaker 2: by removing san Dockerty from some functions. I feel like

462
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 2: that made it a bigger story and they've made it

463
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Speaker 2: so it's just poor management.

464
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Speaker 4: The next few weeks will tell us whether it was

465
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Speaker 4: a net neutral, which is then winning, or if it

466
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 4: was a net loss, and maybe it just builds to

467
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 4: the external noise if they keep losing.

468
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Speaker 3: He's broad a point that Carlton makes things harder on

469
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Speaker 3: themselves is completely correct correct.

470
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Speaker 2: So I find it very troubling the idea that someone

471
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Speaker 2: is going to be penalized for expressing their views. And

472
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Speaker 2: I would hope that's not the case internally, that when

473
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Speaker 2: people express their views and it's some concerns with the

474
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Speaker 2: way that they're playing, that they aren't given the cold

475
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Speaker 2: shoulder as sand Dockety has been.

476
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Speaker 3: And one would suggest that the guy who was a

477
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Speaker 3: captain of the club very recently and was there last

478
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Speaker 3: year would be sharing a view held by others inside

479
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Speaker 3: the club.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously and he was also he was dropped

481
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Speaker 2: a couple of times by Vossi last year, so that

482
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Speaker 2: maybe there's I don't know what the what the relationship

483
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 2: is like. I just found that very I think Carlton

484
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 2: made the wrong call there, But that is everyone that's

485
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: an opinion based business, isn't it.

486
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Speaker 4: That's why the old man media or the influencer.

487
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Speaker 2: I think there was a bit of extra again, I'm

488
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Speaker 2: just speaking on my behalf. Please can you speak on

489
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Speaker 2: my behalf? I was speaking on my behalf.

490
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Speaker 3: That's fine.

491
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Speaker 2: I think the amount of sort of vitriol and what

492
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Speaker 2: Dan did with the Sam Dougherty thing was wrong, and.

493
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Speaker 3: I think he journalistically, not like ethically, but even.

494
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Speaker 4: I think ethicallynowledged.

495
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Speaker 2: I think he has acknowledged that he's stuffed up, but

496
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have used that. There

497
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Speaker 2: seems to be a bit extra on the amount of

498
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Speaker 2: blowback towards him from I would say legacy legacy media.

499
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Speaker 2: I would suggest that there are some who are probably

500
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Speaker 2: a bit maybe that they're just a bit threatened or

501
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: they just feel a bit differently about because it's a

502
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: different it's a change in the way we consume football content,

503
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Speaker 2: and I think it's been amazing, like the amount of

504
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: engagement it gets. It's sort of the new way of

505
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: consuming football news and football media. And I think change

506
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 2: is always a bit abrasive for some and maybe people

507
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: are just a bit and so they're sort of it's

508
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Speaker 2: an outlet to this is an opportunity to have a crack,

509
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: and they've taken that opportunity. I don't know. Again, that's

510
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Speaker 2: not to excuse what Dan did, and he would acknowledge

511
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Speaker 2: that too, I would think, But I've just noticed a

512
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Speaker 2: bit of extra spice interesting on this the GST, A

513
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Speaker 2: bit of GST.

514
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Speaker 3: Only ten percent. Then that's okayn't raised anytime.

515
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Speaker 2: That's my thing on it. But again I only speak

516
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Speaker 2: for myself and I'm not speaking on behalf of other people.

517
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Speaker 3: Not to go not to go too deep into this,

518
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Speaker 3: but I actually think it is a little bit like

519
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 3: the way people look at politics now in that I'm

520
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: not saying that Dan Gorind is Pauline Hansen, but people

521
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: are looking for alternatives and do not like the existing

522
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Speaker 3: options because they scruntled for one reason or another. It

523
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: is why around the world people are angry with institutions

524
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: and looking for alternative and the way that media fractures

525
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: allows them to go to other outlets rather than just

526
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Speaker 3: watching reading the newspaper or watching the news as they

527
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Speaker 3: used to.

528
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Speaker 2: It's I think we need to sort of the whole

529
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Speaker 2: societal thing. Yeah, we need to sort of move a

530
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: bit with the times. And except that there are very

531
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Speaker 2: popular outlets out there that are competing with these outlets,

532
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Speaker 2: and some people prefer them to this one.

533
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Speaker 3: But I can't believe that he let that go. Why

534
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: did that guy leave the podcast and he was on

535
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Speaker 3: the podcast with Goringe and people liked him.

536
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Speaker 2: Yes, correct, Well, what's interesting you mentioned him because he

537
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: is of course an MC for Saint Kilda. And this

538
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: is where the next question comes in. Max Saint Kilda

539
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: made the right call volunteering to play their opening round

540
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Speaker 2: game at the MCG instead of Marvel Stadium. Fair or fast?

541
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Speaker 3: What are fast from you? David Suggestion wrote this for me.

542
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: You've set yourself there fast. So I'm not saying that

543
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 3: the Good have lost this game because they didn't play

544
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Speaker 3: it at home and played it at Colin with its

545
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: home ground, but the trurest hell didn't help. And this

546
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: is exactly the same situation that we saw last year

547
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 3: with the Bulldogs game when they played their anniversary game

548
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: against Collingwood at the MCG. That was even closer, a

549
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: game lost by a goal with some controversial free kicks

550
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 3: going Collingwood's way. And what we know about homeground advantage

551
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: is that it is heaviest influencing the umpires towards giving

552
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: you more free kicks and fowls across all sports. So

553
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Speaker 3: I don't think that again, this wasn't the reason they lost,

554
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: but it's a contributing factor and it's a disadvantage that

555
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Speaker 3: the Marvel teams have wherein they do not get anywhere

556
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: near as much money from their home games because of

557
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Speaker 3: the setup that they have to do with Marvel Games

558
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Speaker 3: for MCG games. So Securita made boatload of money from

559
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Speaker 3: removing this game. Now they got eighty two thousand people

560
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Speaker 3: their highest home and away crowd.

561
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Speaker 2: Ever, well, as Canekorn said on television last night, it

562
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Speaker 2: doesn't get you four points.

563
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Speaker 3: This is my point as well. I articulated this point

564
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Speaker 3: before Kane did so clearly he's just stealing it from

565
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Speaker 3: meheated soup, that's delicious. I don't eat soup. He is

566
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: right though, in the sense that it's in Cura prioritized

567
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: the financial benefit and hoped to also win. They had

568
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: beaten Collingwood at MCG I think in twenty twenty three.

569
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Speaker 3: It wasn't the reason they lost, but I'm saying it's

570
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Speaker 3: a contributing factor and it made it harder for them

571
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Speaker 3: to win a game that was important for them to win.

572
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Speaker 3: That's my concern.

573
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: There you go, that's his concern.

574
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Speaker 3: Do you do you disagree? Either of you agree?

575
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Speaker 2: I concur I think you've made a very good point,

576
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Speaker 2: and you've done it eloquently, as you so often do.

577
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: And I still don't understand why you're not hosting this

578
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: podcast as opposed to me.

579
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Speaker 3: Because then I can't give takes as well as hosts.

580
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Speaker 2: Now the next you're asking me a question.

581
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: Now that's true, So that's good hosting.

582
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, I flagged it, so probably not. It

583
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: should have just happened organically. That's okay.

584
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Speaker 3: I would have forgotten.

585
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Speaker 2: I was not going to am I going to be

586
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Speaker 2: here in two weeks or it's been back.

587
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Speaker 3: I don't know how long does baby take to grow?

588
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Speaker 2: Well, it depends this one. This one's still going after

589
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Speaker 2: thirty years.

590
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Speaker 3: We'll see.

591
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Speaker 4: It's in the balance.

592
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Speaker 3: Zeta Jamara hugle Hagen look good enough and his VFL

593
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Speaker 3: hit out to deserve a Gold Coast.

594
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Speaker 2: Debut this week against the Ey asked me this because

595
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Speaker 2: I was I was in or on in at all.

596
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Speaker 4: You're on the Gold cos you're on the Gold Coast.

597
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: In the Gold Coast would also be accurate, but just

598
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: less common, and at Carrara would be also be correct.

599
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Speaker 2: Very good. So I was there and I was watching

600
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Speaker 2: some of the VFL game along with Xander Maguire and

601
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Speaker 2: Tony Jones, who work at the seven and nine networks, respectively.

602
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Speaker 3: Thank you for clarify.

603
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Speaker 2: I'll just make sure people are aware. So and so

604
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Speaker 2: we were there watching watching a bit of Jamara and

605
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: he looked fantastic. He was. Now admittedly we only I

606
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: think after about the first half we had to duck

607
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Speaker 2: off and do our commitments on the main ground people

608
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Speaker 2: first stadium, of course, and but he just looked great.

609
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Speaker 2: He was he was getting to he looked, he looked fit,

610
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Speaker 2: he looked on like he was running on top of

611
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Speaker 2: the ground. I think people like to say he was

612
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Speaker 2: running the top of the game.

613
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Speaker 3: We're running under it.

614
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, again it's a weird saying, but I went

615
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Speaker 2: with it. And then he he was just he looked great,

616
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Speaker 2: and he kicked five or six goals at the end

617
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: of it, so he certainly put his hand up. The

618
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Speaker 2: only issue is they've come off of massive winn against

619
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Speaker 2: gel Long. I don't really see where you The only

620
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Speaker 2: thing you would think about if you were I guess

621
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Speaker 2: Damien Harwig. Not to suggest I know what he's thinking,

622
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: but you've got too relatively good. I think it's West

623
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Speaker 2: Coast and then Richmond.

624
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: That sounds right, Yeah, definitely, this a nice easy.

625
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Speaker 2: Ease them in. Maybe you just try and ease him

626
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: in and just get him, get him a game or

627
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: you know you've got that fifth bench rotation, you can

628
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: play around with that. But I mean he showed he's

629
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: done everything right. Just as Damien Harberger said, they want

630
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: to make sure he is just he's coming from a

631
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: long way back. He's missed a lot of footy, so

632
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: you need to just take your time with him. But

633
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Speaker 2: I was I would be very bullish based on what

634
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: I saw. If you were a Suns fan, I'd form

635
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,239
Speaker 2: a bulldog bullish, very good.

636
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but I've got Jed Wolter coming back from

637
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 4: suspension this week, so you would assume you can jack.

638
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: But he was was pushed out of the side last

639
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 3: last yek tomorrow, wasn't there.

640
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was when Ethan Reid and him was sort

641
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: of battling for the third spot. And it sounds like

642
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: Reid might play a little bit high at the ground

643
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 4: this year. I think you played up for because it

644
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 4: was out. But if he came back in and they've

645
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: also got Gi Farrer who's been playing a defensive forward

646
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: role for them, I think it was okay at times.

647
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: He had good pressure on Friday night, but he's another

648
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 4: one that could make away for one of or both

649
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 4: Jamara and Jet different role.

650
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Speaker 3: I'd be surprised if he went for that. But certainly

651
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Speaker 3: do you know.

652
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: Colin would have on their list His name is Nick

653
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Speaker 2: Dakos will be into my next question. I've led myself

654
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: into my next questions. Will was best on ground with

655
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: his forty one disposals on Sunday night against Saint Kilda?

656
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: Fair or overreaction?

657
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Speaker 4: It's fast, Sorry, it's fair, It's fair. He was best

658
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Speaker 4: on ground?

659
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Speaker 2: He was.

660
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Speaker 4: I've been I've had so many mates and a particular

661
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Speaker 4: group who have been debating whether or not Nick was

662
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Speaker 4: best on ground on Sunday night. It seems to be

663
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Speaker 4: a organization that we have happened.

664
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Speaker 2: To have any money on No, I mean unless I

665
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Speaker 2: know you can't of course, please continue.

666
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Speaker 4: Know how it would work. But you no, he was

667
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Speaker 4: clearly best on ground. I think he probably didn't play

668
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Speaker 4: around the You don't think so, No, who do you

669
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Speaker 4: think it's best on ground? Houston?

670
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Speaker 3: I would take a number of other players. I think

671
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Speaker 3: more than the number of other players. I think more

672
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Speaker 3: to the point, I think Dekos is this was the

673
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Speaker 3: first time I've ever agreed with the internet on nick

674
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Speaker 3: Daykobs really because this was him chipping it around and

675
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Speaker 3: not doing a huge amount.

676
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Speaker 4: I strongly disagree.

677
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Speaker 3: You look at his actual I think the player rating,

678
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Speaker 3: I think he was like eight or nine players. Yeah,

679
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Speaker 3: and that was because so many of his disposals were sideways, backwards,

680
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Speaker 3: not in contest, relevant to the way Collingwood was trying

681
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Speaker 3: to play. And that's where you can give it more

682
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Speaker 3: credit than just the stats do, but not the idea

683
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Speaker 3: of decos and a lot of critics said is that

684
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Speaker 3: he doesn't go for the hard ball, it doesn't take

685
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Speaker 3: it just marks. Why would he be taking contested marks

686
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Speaker 3: and all of that stuff. But this was the first

687
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Speaker 3: time where I was like, Okay, well this was a

688
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Speaker 3: game where he was just sort of getting cheap ones.

689
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Speaker 3: That's how you get to forty nine.

690
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Speaker 4: I think you definitely get to forty one having cheap ones.

691
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Speaker 4: I mean I saw him pull off several pretty I'm

692
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Speaker 4: not going to say remarkable, that sounds quite dramatic, but

693
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Speaker 4: several very impressive kicks.

694
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, there was one, I forget which one it was.

695
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Speaker 3: He was the four to fifty flank to basically in

696
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Speaker 3: this center square. Yeah, insane.

697
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And he also had one.

698
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Speaker 2: He kept it on the edge.

699
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Speaker 3: You have to be talented to still make an impact

700
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Speaker 3: with those disposals.

701
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Speaker 2: I'll give you some of the stats that I can

702
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Speaker 2: see here. Please, So, forty one touches, as we know,

703
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Speaker 2: a couple of behind. Sixty nine percent of those touches

704
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Speaker 2: were in the defensive half. Yes, six contested possessions of

705
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Speaker 2: he's forty one. It's not many, No, it's not many.

706
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Speaker 2: One goal assist, eleven score involvements, nine pressure acts quite

707
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Speaker 2: low meeters gained eight hundred and forty four.

708
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean he had eleven score involvements out

709
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Speaker 4: of twenty three, so he's basically involved in one and

710
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Speaker 4: every two score in chains for Collingwood.

711
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Speaker 3: Yes, but that's part of the chaine because they get

712
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Speaker 3: him the ball all the time. So that makes sense.

713
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Speaker 4: I mean I would argue there's a reason they give them.

714
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's obviously a reason they make it that way.

715
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Speaker 2: So who is your best on ground? Ye?

716
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Speaker 3: Then so I'm not I am not volunteering the option.

717
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Speaker 3: I didn't ask myself the question because I didn't have

718
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Speaker 3: an answer to that, but I made sure that my

719
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Speaker 3: point is that this is why when we're giving umpires

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Speaker 3: the numbers to do the brown low votes, you need

721
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Speaker 3: more than just giving them the disposal counts because disposal

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Speaker 3: ounce lie.

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Speaker 2: So do you think they're going to give Nick three? Yes?

724
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Speaker 2: And they shouldn't.

725
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Speaker 3: I think it's a fair case that someone else would

726
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Speaker 3: have got it, or at least that he did not

727
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Speaker 3: have an incredible, clearly three vote worthy game that he

728
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Speaker 3: will definitely at the three votes for.

729
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Speaker 4: So I'm going to just counter argument one final time. Okay,

730
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Speaker 4: another one coach's votes. I think the most indicative form

731
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Speaker 4: player performance. Ross was very reluctant to give Nick any

732
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Speaker 4: credit in his post match press conference. Didn't feel like

733
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Speaker 4: he had He said he played his part. That was

734
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Speaker 4: his verbatim, and he ended up with ten coaches votes,

735
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Speaker 4: so clearly enough.

736
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Speaker 2: But how much does the senior coach.

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Speaker 3: It's a coaching staff decision as well.

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Speaker 2: So I think Ross just.

739
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Speaker 4: Had a very good What did he say? Dan Houston

740
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Speaker 4: was the other player that I think you could have argued, Yes,

741
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Speaker 4: it was best on ground, The go was really good,

742
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Speaker 4: Lockie Schultz was really good, Maynard was good, his brother

743
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Speaker 4: Josh Dekos was good. Perryman Perryman as well.

744
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Speaker 3: Even shutting down Nas would be the other lead.

745
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Speaker 2: I reckon Harryman given what he did to Nas. I

746
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Speaker 2: think he said like he was the best player. Well again,

747
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Speaker 2: but that's not really sexy because he hasn't got the stats.

748
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: It's entirely relevant, thank you.

749
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Speaker 3: And again I'm not purely reading from numbers, but there

750
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: were eight players on Collingwood alone who had a higher

751
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Speaker 3: play rating than Dacos.

752
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Speaker 2: There you go. That's why Max Ollie Florent was lucky

753
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Speaker 2: to escape with no sanction for his kneeing incident with

754
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Speaker 2: Isaac Haney. Fair or fast?

755
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Speaker 3: Now that's a fast, David, that's a fast.

756
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Speaker 2: Okay, why is it the fast?

757
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Speaker 3: I cannot believe. And I was working Thursday night during

758
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Speaker 3: this game, and we put the video up on social media,

759
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Speaker 3: and I was shocked by how many people overwhelmingly thought

760
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Speaker 3: it was deliberate. That they thought he actually on purpose

761
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Speaker 3: need his business partner and mate in the head.

762
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Speaker 2: So you're taking the off field into consideration here.

763
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I am someone okay, playing against your mate for

764
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Speaker 3: the first time in a decade.

765
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Speaker 2: Whatever, And so do you think the mro goes Yeah,

766
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Speaker 2: their mates so like he did. You wouldn't have meant it, no.

767
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Speaker 3: But I think it's an interpretation that I can have.

768
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Speaker 4: I think it's an important context, and I think.

769
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Speaker 3: That you look at the actual action. Everyone saying, oh

770
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Speaker 3: he looked at him. Now he looked down to see

771
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Speaker 3: where someone was and where the ball was and then

772
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Speaker 3: ran over.

773
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Speaker 2: It couldn't have got him any better than what he did. No,

774
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Speaker 2: this is what I would say. He's certainly the best

775
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: version of connection with his hairdshot was achieved.

776
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Speaker 3: Was there any world where this was going to be

777
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Speaker 3: graded careless?

778
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Speaker 2: I thought it potentially could have been.

779
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Speaker 4: Will.

780
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Speaker 3: I know.

781
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Speaker 2: The thing is, I think it's very easily argued at

782
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Speaker 2: the tribunal when he gets off.

783
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Speaker 3: So the thing is it is careless by definition of

784
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: the word, but careless careless because it's not a reportable

785
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: action yet.

786
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Speaker 2: Of course, Will, were you going to say something?

787
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Speaker 3: No?

788
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: I was just going to say in the same way

789
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: that context is important that if you know, Toby Green

790
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: and Micusponton Pelly go into a stiff like you know,

791
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: it's probably important that they're not well up. Apparently.

792
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. Now, Max, once again I look

793
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: at the rundown and say that I'm receiving question last one.

794
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: Will hasn't asked me. You're asking me this because.

795
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm the secondary host. We're playing our roles, So what's

796
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: will the guest? It's first out rotating.

797
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Speaker 2: Chair, Yeah, Scott rotating.

798
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Speaker 3: It's got penderary suggestion that opening around needs to be

799
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: expanded to include a game in every state makes a

800
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Speaker 3: lot of sense. Fair or fast?

801
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Speaker 2: I think fair, But I never see your face. This

802
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: is a question that I feel like Max is very

803
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: well equipped to answers, so I think on the surface,

804
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Speaker 2: I read that and they go, yeah, of course every state,

805
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: every sit gets a crack. How good, Max, Please provide

806
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: your answer, because that's really why this question is on

807
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: the rundown.

808
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: Scott Pendlebury just wants there to be a round one.

809
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: But that's yeah again, I would say, so that's it

810
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: seems like we just want everyone to every because I

811
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Speaker 2: keep reading everyone.

812
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: Wants in yes, Geelong one's in there. Well yeah, okay.

813
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: People want to play in a round where they're getting

814
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: more attention than usual. The whole point of opening round

815
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Speaker 3: and why the AFL does it, is you're taking away

816
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: less watched games from other rounds and put them in

817
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: primetime slots. You're manufacturing more primetime slots. Because if you

818
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 3: think about like round I think it's Round two has

819
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: six or seven games that wasn't intentional, and the games

820
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: you're losing are like the secondary Saturday night game or

821
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: the early Sunday game, the games that people don't watch,

822
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: so you're just taking those out of the fixture and

823
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: doing extra Thursday nights and Friday nights and Saturday nights.

824
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: That's why this happens. And the attendance has also been

825
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: really good because the Victoria and fans are still going

826
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: to all the games in Round one. I think there

827
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: are like six games in Victoria this weekend to make

828
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: up for opening Round, which now loves Victoria because you

829
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 3: had the Saints game, but before that was all about

830
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: the Northern State. So the AFL is looking at all

831
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: the metrics and going, hey, this is working great. I

832
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: know you're complaining, but you keep showing up and watching

833
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: the games and attending, so we're not going to change it.

834
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: Correct bit cheey. I think of South Australia to want

835
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Speaker 4: in on the only grounds, I'd say you've already got

836
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: gather around, I've got your round and do you.

837
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 3: Want to Also? Are you aware why there's no game

838
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: in South Australia this weekend.

839
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Speaker 4: Yes, because well, of course is a South Strala getting

840
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: right back at the AFL for not letting them play

841
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: the Cheffid Sackaid Oval last year. So there's a women's

842
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 4: One Day match at days hopeful match at Adelaide Oval

843
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: during round one, which I think is just the perfect So.

844
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: They've done that to same the AFL.

845
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: Yea they should the reason there's no game there, I tell.

846
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: You there's the politics. We love the politics. We also yes,

847
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: try last thing.

848
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Speaker 4: I can't understand why w A would want a game

849
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: in openly round though.

850
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think this. I don't know if it's

851
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: because of the Women's Asian Cup this time, but certainly

852
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: they have played a game there in the Women's Asian

853
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: Cup and I don't think the Matildas are playing there

854
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: later this week, but that would that might be a

855
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: reason they don't have rights. Like a lot of the

856
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: stuff in the opening part of the season is about

857
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: ground access. Yes, next year is going to be a

858
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 3: big deal because the AFL won't have access to the MCG.

859
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: Funnily enough, because it's still cricket season just like it

860
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Speaker 4: is now.

861
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: Funnily enough, it's almost like, we should not be playing

862
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: footy in early March and we should be waiting to

863
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: at least middle late March, so then they might not

864
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: be a Richmond Carlton mcg game next year in round

865
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Speaker 3: one because they don't have access till after I think

866
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Speaker 3: March nineteen. It's the theoretical fast the type check.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we have access to. It's the

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Speaker 2: Fox Footy mail bag, and that is something that does

869
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Speaker 2: it have a sting maax, it does? It does have us.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it on the Fox Foody podcast. It's time

871
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Speaker 1: to open up the mail bag. Have a question for

872
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Speaker 1: the panel. Tweet us every Monday morning at Fox Footy.

873
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Speaker 2: Oh, I wasn't that great to hear that was fantastic segment.

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Speaker 2: This is now segment four or five, and we are

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Speaker 2: nearly were coming towards the end of our journey and

876
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it. I think I've been rusty. I think

877
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: I've been a bit sporadic, and I don't think I

878
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: brought my best, But there's still time to meet.

879
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: If you didn't really have a podcast pre season, you

880
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: had the tennis stuff during the open well, of.

881
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: Course had to get a grip podcast with Ash Williams,

882
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: which was lovely and that was he's a gold Coast

883
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: at the moment while he's running a book. He's running

884
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: a biography about his or a memoir about his five

885
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: years in LA for some very very interesting stories.

886
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

887
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how many of them. I couldn't. Yeah,

888
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: I mean how I.

889
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: Mean how many? How many he can print and how

890
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: many you can say, I imagine you know, some won't

891
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 3: get something that won't get printed.

892
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of them was this what era when.

893
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: We seeing there?

894
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: Oh, it would have been early mid two early two thousands,

895
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: two thousands. I'm good in guessing.

896
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: I know there was a time there was a lot

897
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: of Ossie actors over there locking humans over there.

898
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Yes, Josh lawys Man, he would have.

899
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: Been over there at that time.

900
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Josh, Yes, very good. And Ash was there too.

901
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Not as successful as the other two, but he did

902
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: his best. The mail bag.

903
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: You werere that I asked the mail bag questions though, yes,

904
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, okay, please read the mail Thank you every

905
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: road in at Fox Footy. On Twitter we tweeted out

906
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: you respond and sometimes I pick your questions to read

907
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: out Frost to answer, even if they have the same name.

908
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: That's the joke I'm getting to sorry, Lee asks state

909
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: of Origin feedback. Some coaches want it mid year. Surely

910
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: that's either one step forward or two foot two steps back,

911
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 3: or a cunning move to set it up to fail.

912
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 3: February has to be its best chance. No touch of cunning,

913
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: a touch of a very much a touch of the coaches.

914
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: I mean, Kevin Sheedy does have a lot of legs

915
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: to state of origin. I think that's fair, But I

916
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: like the timing of it at the start of the year.

917
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: Mid years seems very ambitious, does it not.

918
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons that we didn't do it

919
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: for so many years was that, Well, of course you've

920
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: got to bring it back mid year like we used to,

921
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: but no one wants to do that and risk their players.

922
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah why would? They could all say that, but I

923
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: don't think that's actually the prime slot.

924
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: Will Damion Harwick and Brad Scott spoke about this very

925
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: well on AFL three sixty last night.

926
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: They won't happy because there were quite a few injuries,

927
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: and then GWS also aren't happy. I believe Sam Taylor's

928
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: serious hamstring injury coming out of origin.

929
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: Yes, Rafi suggested that they might be the GBS might

930
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 4: be inquiring the AFEL about a four hundred thousand dollars

931
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: what compensation for Taylor's contract that he's missing out on

932
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: the third of the season. You know, without wanting to

933
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: paraphrase too much, that was sort of the insinuation.

934
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: This is why this stuff is just so hard to

935
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: get off the ground, because this is the sort of

936
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: stuff that happens.

937
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: Yes, Hardwick mentioned last night.

938
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: Damien, what did they mean to say, Oh, you've referenced

939
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: something that you don't even know what?

940
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 4: He said, No, I've got it. Hardwick said, I've got

941
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 4: two articles that had we spoke about.

942
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: Such a world series of events on this podcast.

943
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: Hardwick said, I love State of Origin. I just didn't

944
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: love the timing. It didn't suit the build up for

945
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: our team. Just to keep in note, Goldcos had two

946
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 4: players that were caught up late in replacement for the

947
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: injury of other players in the squad, so it particularly

948
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 4: would have affected them. We really want our players to play,

949
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 4: but probably at the right time. It's really challenging, challenging

950
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 4: when we're preparing for round zero to have our players

951
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: three to four weeks out playing the fastest game that's

952
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: ever been recorded on GPS. They probably just weren't ready

953
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: for it. We can't compromise our season for that. Although important,

954
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: we're not ready to be played at that time. And

955
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: then Brad Scott added I thought in the lead up

956
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 4: that we stumbled on the perfect time of year for it.

957
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: A lot of people have talked about it being the

958
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: middle of the year. I think if you're a top

959
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: four side in the middle of the year and you

960
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 4: get an injury in Origin, that would be an issue.

961
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: Who would have thought if any player in your team

962
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: has an injury during Origin, it's probably not the right

963
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: time of year. It's in November, which we're not going

964
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: to play in November November, so.

965
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: What there's no real other spot.

966
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: It's I think it's the lesser of two evils having

967
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: in February and it's just a shame that I think

968
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: when it's being played in this Perth people seen to

969
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: think that the weather may have had an effect on

970
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: soft tissue injuries. With it's their first proper hit out

971
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: for the season. You can't get all variables.

972
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about like training loads and how much

973
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: players are warmed up to play a full strength high

974
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: quality game at that time of year. I think that's

975
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: a fair argument, but I think the changes there is

976
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: you make bigger squads like they it was twenty eight

977
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: or something, and they still didn't have really enough rotations,

978
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: including when you had players getting down hurt to make

979
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: up for the fact that players were playing really hard

980
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: because they cared, which was the great point about it.

981
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: Why it was. I know, maybe they were running fast

982
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: because there's more transition and it wasn't it, but like

983
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: they're better players. It just seems like all the concern

984
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: about them not taking it seriously, they were. They've what

985
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: they're posting career high numbers on GBS.

986
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: Everyone cared. That's why it was fun. That's why it

987
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: can work.

988
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: You just have to also got injured. That's they're going

989
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: to get that.

990
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 3: That's why you have to just change manage the rules

991
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: around it. It will still work.

992
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: This is the other time of ye yes, please anymore

993
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: male or is it one done?

994
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: This is from Lee but not the other lead. This

995
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 3: is a different spelling of Lee.

996
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: L E I G H was the first correct.

997
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: This one is Lubble stop doxing people? Which win do

998
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: you think has a bigger positive impact on their season.

999
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: Between the Giants and the Pies, the bigger.

1000
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: Positive Giants by a fair metric, I would say.

1001
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: I think I would agree. I think that the Pies

1002
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: win was about exactly what I expected. The Giants win

1003
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, no, they're seriously still going to be

1004
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: pretty good.

1005
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: Both were somewhat written off heading into opening round.

1006
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: The two most popular tips drop out of the top

1007
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: eight from the Fox Footy Crystal Ball.

1008
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: Definitely in the same way that Drew was very confident

1009
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 4: about sat Kilder winning on Sunday, I was very confident

1010
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 4: Hawthorne would win. I think just through sew number of injuries,

1011
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: clearly their midfield void is going to be an issue

1012
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: for them this year. Not getting exact Merritt, we.

1013
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: Know that despite the Giants injury voids at the midfield,

1014
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: the Giants, I think everyone thought, jeez, they've got so

1015
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: many players, you know that they don't have access to

1016
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: and not just.

1017
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: Any players, but very important Taylor, their best defender, Brett Daniels,

1018
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: arguably their best more forward that allows Toby Green to

1019
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: play a little bit at the ground as he's going

1020
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: to do so this year. And Tom Green, who's their

1021
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: biggest inside ball before you know into laks of Clayton

1022
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: lo have walked through the door, so they've been hit

1023
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: all around the ground.

1024
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. And then Dean asks, this is another.

1025
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: Fixture in question? What I read it as, DM, I

1026
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: don't know why. No, I think it would just be

1027
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: E A and E. I think it's why do.

1028
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: Some teams who played this weekend get an advantage by

1029
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: playing teams who have yet to play.

1030
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: Again because the AFL fixture is not equal?

1031
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: Correct?

1032
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: That's true, very simple answer to your question, Dean.

1033
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: Do we know for sure for a start that it

1034
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: is an advantage? I think it probably is better to

1035
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: have played a full game and becoming into your second

1036
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: game as compared to a team that's starting off. I

1037
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: think that's probably fair, I think, but certainly, But it's

1038
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: a hunt, right, It's still not.

1039
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: A like ue. We need to look at numbers.

1040
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: I would need to look at the actual results from

1041
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: last year about it.

1042
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's a common sense takeaway.

1043
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 2: It seems like everyone's accepted this net Like, like every

1044
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: coach I've heard so far have just said basically, it

1045
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: is what it is. Yeah, Like ideally, you know, but

1046
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: that's just how the fixture is. I think everyone's aware

1047
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: the fixture is not.

1048
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: Equal and that there are It feels like it's a

1049
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: very easy way to just resolve it, which is just

1050
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: have them play each other the five games, the ten

1051
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 4: teams that played each other to play each other in

1052
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: round one.

1053
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: But again we say that, I imagine behind it must

1054
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: be the fixture would be one of the hardest things

1055
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: in world sports to figure out.

1056
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: So just with just by doing that, you wouldn't be

1057
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: able to have Richmond Carlton Round one.

1058
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not going to have next year. Maybe next year.

1059
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: So I've just checked last year quickly, because there were

1060
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: only two games in opening round. Of course three of

1061
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: the four teams won. Sydney lost a close wonder Brisbane,

1062
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: but then Hawthorne, Collingwood and j ws all one.

1063
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that the conversations we're having here

1064
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: on a podcast quite loosely have to be conversations that

1065
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: they are having at AFL house when they're thinking about

1066
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: this Stuff'd imagine, you'd hope, but you'd also think that

1067
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: it is one of those things where they go, look,

1068
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: we have to have we have priorities when we're creating

1069
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: the fixture.

1070
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: Primarily, it's satisfying the broadcast partners because they give us

1071
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: all the money, thank you, and that's why they're going

1072
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: to not prioritize theoretical, probable but not certain fixture equality

1073
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: with the round one.

1074
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: Mate and Fox gives the most money, so we win.

1075
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: The TV wars are over. So segment five, of course,

1076
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: is the final segment of our five segment podcast.

1077
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 3: Well that's because I didn't put down segment six goodbye.

1078
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: Technically that would be its own segment.

1079
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: So we are this is We're new in the end,

1080
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: and it's great to be at this point of the podcast.

1081
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Now the tips, Carlton and Richmond, let's start. There is

1082
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: no sting for the tips, is there?

1083
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: No?

1084
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: Yep? The tips very good. Carlson and Richmond at the

1085
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: MCG in front of a sellout crowd. You would suspect

1086
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: footy as well. And truly I love how we said

1087
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: Footag's back. It was back last week, but it's back again.

1088
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: I guess who's back back again.

1089
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: Can't lose us again, can they? They can't?

1090
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: We hope not.

1091
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: We would hope not for their sake.

1092
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: How big would the circus be if Carlton lost to

1093
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: Richmond this week.

1094
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean it was as bad as last year. This

1095
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: last year was pretty bad because last year where they

1096
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 3: came in with expectations.

1097
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: But they're coming off of opening round.

1098
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 3: They would be zero two before a lot of teams

1099
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: have played once, which is surprising. See you're tipping Carlton, Yeah,

1100
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: because I still think they should be a mid tableish

1101
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: team and Richmond should not.

1102
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: Will Carleton very good.

1103
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Carlton too, Esenton and Hawthorne at the MCG of course,

1104
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: who would have thought that the AFL would schedule these

1105
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: two to face each other in round one?

1106
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 3: Oh, they just curve it the line and the sandgame

1107
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: right absolutely.

1108
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 4: I thought it was the Henry Huswait non trade, you

1109
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: can't play, he's injured.

1110
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: His name was just being taking your Rusewaight, No, we

1111
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: don't want him, but they just kept They're just like

1112
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: hitting a housewaite Feld. I want the story on how

1113
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Henry Houswaite's feeling.

1114
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: He's a good player, yeah.

1115
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: But I just want I want all fine, Yeah, I

1116
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: just want his take on what happened last year. He

1117
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: was just he was the just the sacrificial lamb in

1118
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: every every trade offer that they put forward to take and.

1119
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: Us who got the first interview with Dean Gore after

1120
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: he was the Stak Knives in the Dangerfield trade.

1121
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: Yet we're still maybe it's still chasing enough Eston Hawthorne.

1122
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: Max Hawthorne, still believe in Hawthorne again. I think Eston

1123
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: is not going to be terrible.

1124
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: Margin were just because it's a game that I don't

1125
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 4: think twenty five okay, six goals Hawthorn, Yeah, very.

1126
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: Good Hawthorne as well the Western Bulldogs and imagine I'll

1127
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: say twenty points the Western Bulldogs and the Greater Western

1128
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 2: Sydney Giants playing at Marvel Stadium. Of course, it's become

1129
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: it's like a little rivalry around this one.

1130
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: Well you say rivalry, this game is as much of

1131
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: a rivalry. Recently the Bulldogs have won nine of ten.

1132
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: I have, yes, but they're quite spiteful.

1133
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: And yees, I know I understand that.

1134
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: That's why we still call it that who will win?

1135
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: Will they win another one?

1136
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: I do think so. And you know I didn't even

1137
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: get to brag about my bulldog's faith coming true and

1138
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: opening round earlier in the show. But they did beat

1139
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 3: the reigning premiers on the road. Brisbane not an amazing

1140
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: home ground, team to whatever reason the last few years,

1141
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: but still a great win and prove that they can

1142
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: beat good teams. Just because they hadn't beaten them doesn't

1143
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 3: mean they couldn't and they are still a top four

1144
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: quality team at their best.

1145
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: To add to Max's start on the Dogs winning nine

1146
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: of their last ten, they've also won fifteen of their

1147
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 4: last eighteen at Marvel, so taking opposition and home ground

1148
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: seeming advantage. David, I think their Bulldog will be favorites, thank.

1149
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 2: You, William. Geelong and fremantlem Hbat of course, the Western

1150
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: Bulldogs I think will get the job done well. You've

1151
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: just read out some very compelling numbers and I'm inclined

1152
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: to follow those. Geelong and Fremantle a GMHBA stadium also

1153
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: a club that has a great home ground advantage, albeit

1154
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: not so much in recent years.

1155
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: No and Frio I feel like gets the job done well.

1156
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: Not last year they got pumped well they did in

1157
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: the final, didn't That's maybe it's just the memories of

1158
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: that which I have in my head.

1159
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: Of course, the origin of the you're quote brilliant, that's correct,

1160
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 2: host match.

1161
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: Press conference Shane was that the f one Shane mckinness

1162
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: as a.

1163
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: Sports broadcast sholder. I hope you would be.

1164
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: He's getting changed in the bathroom I walked in. I'm

1165
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: sorry that was weird. Geelong. I still have faith in

1166
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: the Cats, so I think I took the right highway.

1167
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: He's changing shirts, he has different gigs.

1168
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: So are you changing tips? William? Where are you going

1169
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: with the Geelong Football Club?

1170
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 4: I'll go Geelong have one two of the last three

1171
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: at g.

1172
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: I have memories of its FREROH and GWS, the ones

1173
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: who I always think they play well at GMH.

1174
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: Giants definitely do.

1175
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Giants love it? Are we going for the your so

1176
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: we tipping the Cats in that one? Sydney and Brisbane

1177
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: at the s c G. This has got a lot

1178
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: of just Sat Saturday.

1179
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: Is this Super Saturday guys, Super Saturday Live, Saturday Live

1180
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 3: gold branding? Please, it's high quality games all throughout.

1181
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: As they should be speaking.

1182
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: We pay the most money and truefore we should get

1183
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: the best.

1184
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 4: I wouldagine that's why speaking of fixturing, they've decided to

1185
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 4: pass Sydney Brisbane with Collingwood Adelaide this Saturday night. Whould

1186
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: be the next game that you talk about day.

1187
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you?

1188
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: For pretty wild that they making them overlap.

1189
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: Incredible, two huge gas.

1190
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: So again we speak about how they must have thought

1191
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: about this in the room, and yet we have these

1192
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 2: sorts of scenarios with a phoebe of overlap.

1193
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 4: If you had to play with those four games on Saturday,

1194
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: I would have swapped the Dogs and g WS with

1195
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 4: Collingwood Adelaide, given Collingwood Adelaid a little bit more free room,

1196
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: and then maybe maybe Ws and Dogs as that second

1197
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: Saturday at night game. But anyway, sorry, I've gone off

1198
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 4: tracks in Brisbane. That's at the SCG.

1199
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct, it's to be.

1200
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: I still have faith in Brisbane for now. Okay, I

1201
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: want to see what happens at the Tribune as well.

1202
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: They'll play into my thoughts. But Brisbane, did you tip?

1203
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: Have you tipped?

1204
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: I haven't yet. I'll go Sydney there my boys this year.

1205
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: I'll go Sydney too.

1206
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: They're your boys. Did you tip them for the flag? No?

1207
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 4: Because I couldn't tip past Brisbane. I think that maybe

1208
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: my run.

1209
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: Up your real boy.

1210
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 4: There are my podium. There are my podium.

1211
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: Of course. The other game that we in overlapping, speaking

1212
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: of your boys, is Collingwood and Adelaide at the MCG.

1213
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: Arguably the best rivalry in recent footy in terms of

1214
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: the margin. Definitely, yes, not you know last year's wrong

1215
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 3: kind of bad situation last year with the rings stuff,

1216
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: so that was around.

1217
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: Will we get the same sort of margin? Close margin?

1218
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: Do you think?

1219
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: I'd like to think so. And who do you think

1220
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: will prevail Collingwood. I have a lot of question marks

1221
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: of Adelaide this year. I want to see what they're like,

1222
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: Like curtain is a bigger loss than a lot of

1223
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 3: people think. Obviously, injury hit quite a bit over the preseason.

1224
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: I want to see what they look like when they

1225
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: first hit out. I don't think it'll be like last

1226
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: year was like the Collingwood Port game. Round won the

1227
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: Dan Houston game and Collingwood just smashed them by like

1228
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: ninety points. I'll be shocked if it was that. But

1229
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: I think the experience of playing opening round helps Collingwood.

1230
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 3: I just think they're a more professional team and they

1231
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 3: get it done at home and they won't have ranking

1232
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: true no, which is a big blow to the gross

1233
00:50:59,560 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: it can be.

1234
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 4: I think they've intentionally done that the fixture.

1235
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: I agree, Oh you think okay?

1236
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: Interesting because there are some games you want to capitalize

1237
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: on the bad blade, and then some of it there's

1238
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: actual bad blood and let's let's best avoid it good,

1239
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: particularly when it's the Collingwood home game.

1240
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: Well, you spoke about Super Saturday Live. We have got

1241
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: a loaded Sunday ticket some some very exciting matchups, one

1242
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: of which is North Melbourne against Port Adelaide at Marvel Stadium. Sure,

1243
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure, while you're both smiling at me while I'm

1244
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: saying that.

1245
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: But Jason horn francis first game back in Melbourne.

1246
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: This is North unless he unless hee something happens.

1247
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: That's true.

1248
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: I believe this because they keep playing this game, and

1249
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: you keep yeah yeah at North melwoin and put Adelaide.

1250
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: And now we know a lot of people tip put

1251
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: Adelaide to sort of struggle a bit early days under Joshka.

1252
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: But North Melbourne, what do you think My thoughts in

1253
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 2: North Melbourne is okay, you'll be tipping Port.

1254
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: I'll be tipping Port because I think Port would better

1255
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: than quite a few people think like not great but

1256
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: mid table, wild card contender sort of level. And this

1257
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: is the this is a game we both team to

1258
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: have a pretty easy draw for the first six weeks.

1259
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: So I think there's a very real chance that Port

1260
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 3: wins this game. And at the start of gather around,

1261
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: Port Adelaide is in the top four. Keep that in mind.

1262
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: Just because of their fixture, they should win like four

1263
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: or five of them.

1264
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: Tomk at that well, Port their top and talent's just

1265
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: far better than North Melbourne's. North of lost twenty seven

1266
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: of the last thirty Marvel. We know that because they

1267
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: haven't been doing very well correct and they've lost eleven

1268
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: of the last twelve against Port, including their last six,

1269
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: so they don't have a great record against them.

1270
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: I didn't give my tip. I'm going to go for Collywood. Sorry.

1271
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: Against Adelaide, I'll be going for Port Adelaide as well.

1272
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: And then we've got Melbourne and Saint Kilda at the

1273
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: mc G the second last game of round one. Max.

1274
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so again kind of I know I put Melbourne fifteenth,

1275
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: but I don't think they're bad. You did say that,

1276
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 3: but hold on, I think se Kilda, if they're any

1277
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: sort of serious, have to win this game. Yes, so

1278
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: some kildon. We can't know what Melbourne's going to bring, no,

1279
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: but we know that they lost two players who played

1280
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: very well on the weekend in Petraca and Oliver. Yes,

1281
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: I don't know Viney.

1282
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 4: Sank Curda for the Max Heath Cup. Even though you're

1283
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: not me.

1284
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: Story.

1285
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you're never going to do I asked the AI.

1286
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 2: It would have given me something, V don't.

1287
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: Drew actually did it right with them last week. He

1288
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: did him off the top now.

1289
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: But he's he's a nerd on that stuff.

1290
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: He loves it.

1291
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: Called chat GPT, I use claud chat.

1292
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: Who's Claude? What's that?

1293
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: Who's he said the A I had to ask.

1294
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 2: I've had a chat with Max about this. I'm trying

1295
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 2: not to I'm trying to leave it. But it's also

1296
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: quite convenient at times to help with life tasks. But

1297
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: we'll work through that.

1298
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 3: It's just destroying the planet in the economy.

1299
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: Don't about it, guy, I think there are other things

1300
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: destroying the planet. And aren't there? Yes, shout out to

1301
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: the American president. Is he listening. I'm sure he listens.

1302
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: He called albow at two am. You see that.

1303
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't two am for him, but like here, yeah, I.

1304
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: Was seeking out how would that can you just imagine?

1305
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: Like how does that work? Like this who who, Like, yeah.

1306
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: Probably his security guy who stands at the door.

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00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: So someone's got a call and he's just gonna he's

1308
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: gonna shove out Anthony or mister whatever.

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: Do you what do you think they say, mister prime minister,

1310
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: mister prois probably.

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: But like two am and two am doing anything is

1312
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: like you gotta get up to go to the bathroom.

1313
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: But you get two am, I've got to speak to

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00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: the President of the United States.

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00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: It's just a weird that's a reasonable reason to wake

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Speaker 3: up to.

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00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: But how long do you take before you take that

1318
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: call just to freshen up?

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00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 4: How he rings for no?

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00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: But no, like because I think, like, do you just

1321
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 3: know someone else is picking up? He's not picking up directly?

1322
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 2: Although to get up, you're gonna just like wipe your eyes,

1323
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: you need to do you put water on your Like,

1324
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: how do you prepare for a conversation with the President

1325
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: of the United States?

1326
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 3: What do you want at two am?

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00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: I'd be more normalized for him. I think you'd be

1328
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1329
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: At two am. As the free world. He's old Albow

1330
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: or Trump.

1331
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: To be fair, well, yes, to be fair Trump, I

1332
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: think he probably still would have had more mental facilities

1333
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: than Trump would while awake, so very good.

1334
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: So that's that's the hidden sex segments. Second five laugh

1335
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: which political segment, of course, and we do finish. I'll

1336
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: be going for I'll be tipping sat Kilda in that game.

1337
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how we got into Gold Coast and

1338
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: the West Coast Eagles to round out the opening round.

1339
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: That rand out round one.

1340
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: Speaking of games, that should be the second game on

1341
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: a Saturday night, Gold Coast, West Coast Max.

1342
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: As I said to you earlier, we have a very

1343
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: loaded Sunday ticket and I don't like that you are

1344
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: putting it down because I will be so stay tuned during.

1345
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: This game for bounce and then first Crack afterwards.

1346
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, ten thirty still called bounce ten thirty.

1347
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: First, what would it? I mean, do you want them

1348
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: to change to throw up, because that'll be a very

1349
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: different trop If they started calling it throw up.

1350
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: It'd probably be a bit more given the sort of

1351
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: stuff they talk about. It actually might be more fitting

1352
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: to call it that, because I reckon, they would have

1353
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: shown that some people on there doing that. I haven't

1354
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: seen anyonem bouncing on there.

1355
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: You've actually beft to you have left your best toyeah.

1356
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 2: I've come into it late unfortunately, which is I don't

1357
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: know if it'll save me for next week. But Gold

1358
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: Coast got a million by million, very good?

1359
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a million Gold Coast or West Coast let's

1360
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: go very good.

1361
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: To eat us this year, So it's good. I'm coming

1362
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: in the form just at the wrong time of the podcast,

1363
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: because it is time to say goodbye. I've enjoyed your company,

1364
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Max and Will. I've enjoyed a semi return to the podcast.

1365
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: I apologize to those who probably wanted a bit more

1366
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: of a straight sort of linear journey. But you know,

1367
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: next week you'll have Drew back and everything will be okay,

1368
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: and Ben Waterworth will be back very soon, fresh off

1369
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: child number two for the Waterworth family. Thanks for joining us.

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00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: Do you remember how it ends?

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00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? But no I do like the impression or something

1372
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: a bit no no, sorry sorry, sorry, Thank you, and

1373
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: make sure you, of course keep clicking back to Foxfooty

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00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: dot com dot au.

1375
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: Done it.

1376
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris stop.

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