1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoche Production. 2 00:00:10,801 --> 00:00:14,521 Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO Series. 3 00:00:14,721 --> 00:00:18,521 Speaker 2: This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,841 Speaker 3: Happy people create happy businesses. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,241 Speaker 2: True emotionally intelligent leadership. I've picked up vomit once on 6 00:00:24,321 --> 00:00:26,721 Speaker 2: our about our fourth flight, and everybody thought, well, if 7 00:00:26,721 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: it's good enough for him, I can do it. 8 00:00:28,241 --> 00:00:28,441 Speaker 3: Now. 9 00:00:28,521 --> 00:00:31,121 Speaker 1: We will be joined by culture and leadership. 10 00:00:30,721 --> 00:00:35,121 Speaker 2: Experts and some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,081 Speaker 2: the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. Today, I'm thrilled 12 00:00:39,081 --> 00:00:41,481 Speaker 2: to be joined in the studio by the very charismatic 13 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:44,761 Speaker 2: Anthony Ryan. Anthony is currently the CEO of the Brisbane 14 00:00:44,801 --> 00:00:48,281 Speaker 2: Economic Development Agency, responsible for driving the economic growth of 15 00:00:48,321 --> 00:00:50,801 Speaker 2: Brisbane City. Prior to this, Anthony was the CEO of 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,641 Speaker 2: Young Care for five years, a national not for profit 17 00:00:53,721 --> 00:00:57,721 Speaker 2: organization revolutionizing the way young people with high kid disabilities live. 18 00:00:57,881 --> 00:01:00,001 Speaker 2: In fact, you will find much of Anthony's resume in 19 00:01:00,001 --> 00:01:03,041 Speaker 2: the space of the nonprofit sector and charities including the 20 00:01:03,081 --> 00:01:04,961 Speaker 2: MEMIKI and Edmund Rice FANDAI. 21 00:01:05,561 --> 00:01:05,721 Speaker 3: Now. 22 00:01:05,761 --> 00:01:08,281 Speaker 2: I was fortunate to meet you at two charity events 23 00:01:08,281 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: I'm for the Broncos and recently at the CEO sleep 24 00:01:11,121 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: at for Vinnie h. I got to witness firsthand your 25 00:01:13,601 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: mastery at getting people to fundraise. Anthony impressively raised over 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: twenty thousand by yourself for the event. But Anthony, I 27 00:01:20,401 --> 00:01:22,641 Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoyed doing a little bit of research on you. 28 00:01:22,761 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I really did. 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,121 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh every five seconds, starting with 30 00:01:26,161 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: the fact that you actually represented Australia at the World 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: Junior Athletics Championships and nineteen eighty eight in Canada. 32 00:01:32,961 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: That's true. 33 00:01:33,721 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: Well, we so obviously you have a passion for sport. 34 00:01:37,081 --> 00:01:38,561 Speaker 2: Can you tell me a bit about your junior as 35 00:01:38,601 --> 00:01:39,201 Speaker 2: an athlete. 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,241 Speaker 3: I was playing rugby at school and the school just 37 00:01:43,321 --> 00:01:46,081 Speaker 3: up the road here at school called Terrace, and I 38 00:01:46,161 --> 00:01:48,081 Speaker 3: wasn't a great rugby player, but I got quite a 39 00:01:48,121 --> 00:01:51,001 Speaker 3: bad injury, and so instead of playing rugby, i'd really 40 00:01:51,041 --> 00:01:53,881 Speaker 3: focus on track and field. I was just going to 41 00:01:53,921 --> 00:01:56,361 Speaker 3: be a hobby. And then I realized I was better 42 00:01:56,401 --> 00:01:58,441 Speaker 3: at it than I thought I would be, and sort 43 00:01:58,441 --> 00:02:03,081 Speaker 3: of quickly started improving. And then came to GPS, and 44 00:02:03,201 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: I think I surprised myself and won jeeps and then 45 00:02:06,281 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: went on one States and then went into the Australian 46 00:02:09,161 --> 00:02:11,921 Speaker 3: Australian Championships and then got selected in the Australian junior 47 00:02:11,921 --> 00:02:14,161 Speaker 3: team and sort of out of the blur. Really, my 48 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,041 Speaker 3: coach was always there for rugby, called John Lucas's bloody legend. 49 00:02:18,161 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: But we surprised ourselves or who went there, and we 50 00:02:20,881 --> 00:02:23,081 Speaker 3: got a silver medal at the World Jeniors. We either 51 00:02:23,081 --> 00:02:25,561 Speaker 3: broke the world junior record in the semis. We had 52 00:02:25,561 --> 00:02:28,761 Speaker 3: an amazing team that all went onto fantastic things except 53 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,521 Speaker 3: for myself in sport. And then in the final we 54 00:02:32,601 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: ended up getting second to the United States and they 55 00:02:35,721 --> 00:02:37,801 Speaker 3: broke the world junior record and the guy that was 56 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,361 Speaker 3: the runner there in that who ran against me ended 57 00:02:40,441 --> 00:02:42,401 Speaker 3: up going on later on a couple of months later 58 00:02:42,401 --> 00:02:46,201 Speaker 3: to win the Olympics a year old wow forty three eight. 59 00:02:46,401 --> 00:02:48,041 Speaker 3: So I knew I was never going to be that good. 60 00:02:48,281 --> 00:02:50,761 Speaker 3: So I pretty much sort of was always a relay 61 00:02:50,841 --> 00:02:53,081 Speaker 3: runner in some ways, I planted the seeds in what 62 00:02:53,161 --> 00:02:54,361 Speaker 3: I did later on in life. 63 00:02:55,401 --> 00:02:57,361 Speaker 2: I was going to say so, also, I'm a beautiful 64 00:02:57,361 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: fit now that you're working with Beta and obviously going 65 00:02:59,841 --> 00:03:01,601 Speaker 2: to be part of the Olympics coming to Brisbane. That's 66 00:03:01,601 --> 00:03:04,081 Speaker 2: obviously it feels probably very close and special for you. 67 00:03:04,161 --> 00:03:08,161 Speaker 3: Absolutely well, Bristbane Economic Development Agency where there is a 68 00:03:08,161 --> 00:03:10,961 Speaker 3: support mechanism. Our work isn't really to do with the 69 00:03:11,001 --> 00:03:14,121 Speaker 3: Olympics per se, but we will be supporting Okog and 70 00:03:14,561 --> 00:03:18,161 Speaker 3: anyone that we can, particularly with utilizing Olympics as that 71 00:03:18,321 --> 00:03:22,601 Speaker 3: hook to drive the brand of our city investment and 72 00:03:22,601 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: to assist with getting those stadiums and things like that 73 00:03:25,481 --> 00:03:28,361 Speaker 3: up and running when someone makes the choice and the 74 00:03:28,401 --> 00:03:29,321 Speaker 3: decision to do something. 75 00:03:29,401 --> 00:03:31,161 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exciting stuff. Now. 76 00:03:31,401 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: At the CEO sleepout that we went to a month 77 00:03:34,121 --> 00:03:36,081 Speaker 2: or so ago, I was really moved by a story 78 00:03:36,081 --> 00:03:38,401 Speaker 2: that you shared on stage about your relationship with a 79 00:03:38,401 --> 00:03:41,081 Speaker 2: homeless man in Brisbane. You know, without having done any 80 00:03:41,121 --> 00:03:44,201 Speaker 2: research on you, I just automatically since there's deep passion 81 00:03:44,201 --> 00:03:47,081 Speaker 2: in you around homelessness. And then I read that there's 82 00:03:47,081 --> 00:03:48,401 Speaker 2: a bit of a backstory here. So how did that 83 00:03:48,441 --> 00:03:49,081 Speaker 2: all begin for you? 84 00:03:49,481 --> 00:03:52,001 Speaker 3: I was a teacher many years ago as I was 85 00:03:52,201 --> 00:03:55,281 Speaker 3: teaching economics. It was an inner city school and I 86 00:03:55,361 --> 00:03:58,161 Speaker 3: was totally buying away as we would come to school 87 00:03:58,241 --> 00:04:00,201 Speaker 3: as a wealthy It was terrorist. I went back to 88 00:04:00,241 --> 00:04:03,441 Speaker 3: teacher Terras and I said to the economics class, you 89 00:04:03,521 --> 00:04:06,001 Speaker 3: walk past homelessness every day. Why do you think the 90 00:04:06,001 --> 00:04:08,801 Speaker 3: street people are here? You know, some were sleeping in 91 00:04:08,841 --> 00:04:11,121 Speaker 3: the same street as Terrace and in the parks and 92 00:04:11,201 --> 00:04:14,081 Speaker 3: Victoria Park, et cetera. And there was a young fella 93 00:04:14,281 --> 00:04:16,401 Speaker 3: in grade elevenies and now I've become one of my mates, 94 00:04:16,401 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: actually because I was a young teacher. And he said, 95 00:04:20,001 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: because they're lazy, and if they got up off their ass, 96 00:04:22,961 --> 00:04:25,121 Speaker 3: they could get a job, sir. And I was a 97 00:04:25,161 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: standard by his answer, and so I said, who else, 98 00:04:28,041 --> 00:04:31,241 Speaker 3: who else feels the same way? And every person in 99 00:04:31,241 --> 00:04:32,801 Speaker 3: the class put the hand up and said, you know, 100 00:04:32,841 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: they're lazy. And so instead of getting angry and or 101 00:04:35,801 --> 00:04:38,121 Speaker 3: saying that they were wrong, I wanted to challenge that 102 00:04:38,161 --> 00:04:41,001 Speaker 3: because that's what teaching is. Teaching isn't about. It's allowing 103 00:04:41,041 --> 00:04:43,801 Speaker 3: people to arrive at an answer themselves, particularly in those 104 00:04:43,841 --> 00:04:47,321 Speaker 3: sort of profound moments of light bulb moments in life. 105 00:04:47,401 --> 00:04:49,161 Speaker 3: And so from that that became a trigger for me, 106 00:04:49,201 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: and I thought, Okay, well, how do I get these 107 00:04:50,961 --> 00:04:56,521 Speaker 3: kids to actually challenge their stereotypes? And so I started 108 00:04:56,641 --> 00:04:59,881 Speaker 3: this program about two months later called the Street Retreat Program, 109 00:05:00,001 --> 00:05:02,841 Speaker 3: where we would have an overnight experience living on the 110 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,761 Speaker 3: streets of South Pars overnight and instead of of serving 111 00:05:05,801 --> 00:05:09,001 Speaker 3: the homeless, you're actually going to journey for twenty four 112 00:05:09,001 --> 00:05:13,681 Speaker 3: hours with them, and that would challengeh stereotypes. And we 113 00:05:13,721 --> 00:05:16,441 Speaker 3: started this van. On one of the first nights, I 114 00:05:16,521 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: brought that student out. His name was Gandhi, and we 115 00:05:19,641 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: took Gandhi out and five of his mates, and Gandhi 116 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,001 Speaker 3: was sitting in the garter talking to this guy and 117 00:05:26,041 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: it was the first time these terrorist guys had already 118 00:05:28,281 --> 00:05:31,281 Speaker 3: ever seen anyone a homeless or not seen them, but 119 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: confronted them and was conversive with them. And the guy 120 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: shared with him that he used to go to a 121 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,561 Speaker 3: school up the road, and Gandy was going, Oh, what 122 00:05:39,601 --> 00:05:41,601 Speaker 3: do you mean what we're talking about? He goes, oh, 123 00:05:41,601 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: you might not know it. It's a school called Terrace. 124 00:05:44,121 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: And Gandhi at that stage when wow, are you serious? 125 00:05:48,241 --> 00:05:52,201 Speaker 3: And what had happened for a series of things that 126 00:05:52,201 --> 00:05:55,041 Speaker 3: had happened in this guy's life, addiction took over ended 127 00:05:55,121 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: up being a semi permanent resident down in potanical gardens. 128 00:05:58,521 --> 00:06:01,761 Speaker 3: And that was the moment where I started realizing the 129 00:06:01,801 --> 00:06:04,961 Speaker 3: power of education. So Gandhi went from that night and 130 00:06:05,121 --> 00:06:07,001 Speaker 3: we'd always finish at the end and night just sitting 131 00:06:07,041 --> 00:06:09,241 Speaker 3: around and just chatting. What do you learn, what you see, 132 00:06:09,401 --> 00:06:12,041 Speaker 3: what made you feel uncomfortable, et cetera. And he shared 133 00:06:12,081 --> 00:06:15,801 Speaker 3: his story and the next day at that school, we 134 00:06:15,921 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: had a lineup of around about no exact eruation, about 135 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,921 Speaker 3: one hundred kids outside my door asking whether they could 136 00:06:21,921 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: be involved in the program. And that started. It changed 137 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,561 Speaker 3: the culture of a school. And then and it was 138 00:06:26,641 --> 00:06:28,201 Speaker 3: during that time I met a guy called Terry. 139 00:06:28,401 --> 00:06:30,841 Speaker 2: Met Terry, Yeah, wow, I love that. 140 00:06:30,961 --> 00:06:31,241 Speaker 3: Wow. 141 00:06:31,481 --> 00:06:33,081 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't seem to have any of the 142 00:06:33,401 --> 00:06:36,721 Speaker 2: judgment or avoidance that people usually have when it comes 143 00:06:36,721 --> 00:06:38,721 Speaker 2: to homelessness. I mean, I think at the core of it, 144 00:06:38,721 --> 00:06:41,441 Speaker 2: there's something about homelessess that makes people feel afraid. 145 00:06:41,481 --> 00:06:43,081 Speaker 1: Or not want to think about it. Why is it 146 00:06:43,121 --> 00:06:43,681 Speaker 1: different for you? 147 00:06:43,761 --> 00:06:45,521 Speaker 2: I mean you've said that education is a part of it, 148 00:06:45,561 --> 00:06:46,561 Speaker 2: but is this anthing more? 149 00:06:46,841 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? For sure. When I started working the homeless, like anyone, 150 00:06:50,001 --> 00:06:52,281 Speaker 3: you feel nervous, You're not sure what to say. Are 151 00:06:52,281 --> 00:06:55,521 Speaker 3: you going to offend? Are you thinking that they're going 152 00:06:55,601 --> 00:06:59,001 Speaker 3: to judge you? Why are you here with me? Used 153 00:06:59,281 --> 00:07:01,681 Speaker 3: ticking a box make yourself feel better? But the more 154 00:07:01,721 --> 00:07:04,881 Speaker 3: I got to know people, particularly those who were doing 155 00:07:04,921 --> 00:07:07,041 Speaker 3: it tough. And later on, when I started working in 156 00:07:07,081 --> 00:07:10,561 Speaker 3: Africa and the slums over there, I also realized that 157 00:07:10,641 --> 00:07:13,841 Speaker 3: these guys, and this sounds like a religious thing, but 158 00:07:13,881 --> 00:07:16,641 Speaker 3: it's not. Mother Teresa used to say that the worst 159 00:07:16,641 --> 00:07:19,441 Speaker 3: form of poverty was loneliness. And when I started talking 160 00:07:19,521 --> 00:07:21,521 Speaker 3: to these people, first of all, i'd look at you 161 00:07:21,561 --> 00:07:23,641 Speaker 3: a little bit intrigued that you were talking to them 162 00:07:23,801 --> 00:07:26,201 Speaker 3: rather than serving them a soup or serving them coffee. 163 00:07:26,281 --> 00:07:28,721 Speaker 3: What we wanted to do was break that stereotype as 164 00:07:28,721 --> 00:07:31,561 Speaker 3: well of service and say, no one's really serving here. 165 00:07:31,641 --> 00:07:33,321 Speaker 3: We sit down and we chat, and this is going 166 00:07:33,361 --> 00:07:35,681 Speaker 3: to be a place of being present to each other 167 00:07:35,721 --> 00:07:38,601 Speaker 3: own conversation. And you would see that they would relax, 168 00:07:38,641 --> 00:07:41,641 Speaker 3: their shoulders would relax, that'd feel more comfortable. They'd give 169 00:07:41,641 --> 00:07:43,721 Speaker 3: you eye contact. Normally they wouldn't be able to if 170 00:07:43,761 --> 00:07:46,401 Speaker 3: they felt it was the dynamic, The paradigm had shifted. 171 00:07:46,601 --> 00:07:50,201 Speaker 3: When they felt that, you started getting incredible stories. I 172 00:07:50,281 --> 00:07:53,161 Speaker 3: used to get really angry because I knew I had 173 00:07:53,161 --> 00:07:55,841 Speaker 3: that experience, and I thought, you've got to understand people's context. 174 00:07:55,841 --> 00:07:58,281 Speaker 3: But I started noticing more and more when i'd sit 175 00:07:58,361 --> 00:08:00,201 Speaker 3: down with people on the streets and talk to them. 176 00:08:00,321 --> 00:08:03,001 Speaker 3: How people would rush past them as quickly as they could. 177 00:08:03,201 --> 00:08:05,401 Speaker 3: You'd have people walking on the other side of the 178 00:08:05,401 --> 00:08:08,281 Speaker 3: street to avoid them. Now, I'm not saying every homeless 179 00:08:08,281 --> 00:08:11,281 Speaker 3: person or a street person is a saint. They certainly not. 180 00:08:11,441 --> 00:08:14,001 Speaker 3: But they've all got varying reasons why they're there, and 181 00:08:14,041 --> 00:08:16,281 Speaker 3: the majority of them have just fallen on tough times. 182 00:08:17,001 --> 00:08:19,601 Speaker 3: And it's really going to be presents and love that 183 00:08:19,681 --> 00:08:23,201 Speaker 3: will be able to interrupt what they are currently going 184 00:08:23,241 --> 00:08:25,081 Speaker 3: through to move them onto something else. 185 00:08:25,281 --> 00:08:27,241 Speaker 2: I remember you telling the story about Terry. I remember 186 00:08:27,241 --> 00:08:29,161 Speaker 2: that you said that you know he was quite defensive. 187 00:08:29,561 --> 00:08:32,401 Speaker 2: How do you work around that to see the person 188 00:08:32,441 --> 00:08:35,521 Speaker 2: inside when you get that wall up from people persistence? 189 00:08:36,041 --> 00:08:39,401 Speaker 3: Gay? Terry when I first met him, had a really 190 00:08:39,441 --> 00:08:42,361 Speaker 3: bad starter. He was aggressive towards everybody. He didn't want 191 00:08:42,361 --> 00:08:45,241 Speaker 3: anyone to be around him. And the day that I 192 00:08:45,321 --> 00:08:48,441 Speaker 3: first met him, he hadn't had a shower, reportedly for years, 193 00:08:49,161 --> 00:08:51,921 Speaker 3: even had a safety pin to hold the backside of 194 00:08:51,921 --> 00:08:54,241 Speaker 3: his pants. He never took his pants off, didn't take 195 00:08:54,241 --> 00:08:56,641 Speaker 3: his clothes off for the years, and he used to 196 00:08:56,841 --> 00:08:58,801 Speaker 3: go to the tour through the same take the safety 197 00:08:58,841 --> 00:09:01,281 Speaker 3: pin off and so that added to his aroma. And 198 00:09:01,321 --> 00:09:04,881 Speaker 3: it wasn't until I got to meet Terry and persistently 199 00:09:05,721 --> 00:09:09,161 Speaker 3: talked to him about just life, and he would always 200 00:09:09,161 --> 00:09:11,641 Speaker 3: tell me the f off, And over a couple of weeks, 201 00:09:11,721 --> 00:09:13,881 Speaker 3: I just decided to sit down and talk to him. 202 00:09:13,961 --> 00:09:16,361 Speaker 3: When I started talking to Terry, this was a broken, 203 00:09:16,801 --> 00:09:19,921 Speaker 3: broken human being. You could just tell even when you 204 00:09:19,921 --> 00:09:23,681 Speaker 3: were talking to him. His body language was defeated and 205 00:09:23,721 --> 00:09:27,361 Speaker 3: he was, you know, his smell was really overpowering. But 206 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:31,361 Speaker 3: I thought that what a phony I was. That I 207 00:09:31,401 --> 00:09:34,081 Speaker 3: was present to everybody else, but the most difficult person 208 00:09:34,561 --> 00:09:36,801 Speaker 3: that I'd met on the streets, I wanted to push 209 00:09:36,801 --> 00:09:38,481 Speaker 3: off to the side. So that was sort of a 210 00:09:38,521 --> 00:09:41,041 Speaker 3: little challenge to myself. And then that first night that 211 00:09:41,121 --> 00:09:43,801 Speaker 3: I met him, I'll never forget this night. I really 212 00:09:43,841 --> 00:09:46,281 Speaker 3: sat down and said, how are you going to Terry? Time? 213 00:09:46,321 --> 00:09:48,601 Speaker 3: And f off again? And I got myself a coffee 214 00:09:48,601 --> 00:09:50,961 Speaker 3: and said, I'm just sitting here. And for about the 215 00:09:51,001 --> 00:09:53,441 Speaker 3: first fifteen minutes, he just sat in silence with me, 216 00:09:53,841 --> 00:09:56,721 Speaker 3: and I was uncomfortable. I think he probably wasn't uncomfortable, 217 00:09:56,681 --> 00:09:58,401 Speaker 3: he was probably angry that I was there. And then 218 00:09:58,441 --> 00:10:00,841 Speaker 3: he just started talking and for the next hour and 219 00:10:00,881 --> 00:10:03,361 Speaker 3: a half. I think I got in less than twenty words, 220 00:10:03,521 --> 00:10:06,921 Speaker 3: and he just talked, talked and talked, and I realized 221 00:10:06,921 --> 00:10:09,561 Speaker 3: he was incredibly intelligent. He was manic in the way 222 00:10:09,561 --> 00:10:13,081 Speaker 3: he was talking. He had this incredible memory for cars 223 00:10:13,241 --> 00:10:16,321 Speaker 3: and car registrations, et cetera. The car went past and 224 00:10:16,321 --> 00:10:19,121 Speaker 3: he said, he used to talk whether that car that 225 00:10:19,961 --> 00:10:23,601 Speaker 3: XGA two five seven it went past here three nights ago. Wow, 226 00:10:23,681 --> 00:10:26,681 Speaker 3: this guy's got a photographic memory. Hey, I cut along 227 00:10:26,721 --> 00:10:29,921 Speaker 3: story short. What I want your listeners to understand is 228 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:34,161 Speaker 3: as we built that relationship up, he finally trusted me 229 00:10:34,201 --> 00:10:38,401 Speaker 3: to tell his story. And his image of his clothes 230 00:10:38,401 --> 00:10:41,281 Speaker 3: it hadn't been washed. His smell was a defense mechanism. 231 00:10:41,361 --> 00:10:44,161 Speaker 3: He was punishing himself for life. And he told me 232 00:10:44,241 --> 00:10:47,441 Speaker 3: the story that in Melbourne he was driving a car. 233 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:50,161 Speaker 3: And I've told this many times before. I was shocked 234 00:10:50,161 --> 00:10:51,681 Speaker 3: when he said he had a car, because I had 235 00:10:51,761 --> 00:10:55,561 Speaker 3: always seen him as Terry the bum Terry, the homeless 236 00:10:55,561 --> 00:10:58,441 Speaker 3: guy that was telling everyone to get lost. He had 237 00:10:58,441 --> 00:11:01,761 Speaker 3: a car. And then he started talking about that he 238 00:11:01,841 --> 00:11:05,521 Speaker 3: was driving on an off ramp in Melbourne and realized 239 00:11:05,561 --> 00:11:08,041 Speaker 3: the last minute that he was in the wrong lane 240 00:11:08,081 --> 00:11:10,481 Speaker 3: and a car came into him at full force, steering 241 00:11:10,481 --> 00:11:13,841 Speaker 3: whell jack knives into his body. And as he just 242 00:11:13,841 --> 00:11:17,401 Speaker 3: started describing it, Terry was back in that moment. He 243 00:11:17,481 --> 00:11:19,321 Speaker 3: was no longer talking to me as someone that was 244 00:11:19,401 --> 00:11:21,241 Speaker 3: with him on the streets. He was back in that 245 00:11:21,321 --> 00:11:24,281 Speaker 3: car and he was having a psychotic episode, and I 246 00:11:24,401 --> 00:11:27,321 Speaker 3: was just a bystander in his memory. And he started 247 00:11:27,321 --> 00:11:30,121 Speaker 3: screaming in pain. We were in kid George Square once again. 248 00:11:30,161 --> 00:11:32,641 Speaker 3: People walking past us seeing this must have been a 249 00:11:32,641 --> 00:11:37,201 Speaker 3: bizarre scene. And he started talking about how his both 250 00:11:37,321 --> 00:11:40,081 Speaker 3: arms were completely broken, and he was staring at his 251 00:11:40,161 --> 00:11:43,121 Speaker 3: hands that was sticking down and his bones were sticking 252 00:11:43,121 --> 00:11:44,961 Speaker 3: out in front of it at right angles, and he 253 00:11:45,001 --> 00:11:47,601 Speaker 3: was going to pain, and he was explaining the pain 254 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:51,241 Speaker 3: in his own way. And then what he did for 255 00:11:51,441 --> 00:11:54,521 Speaker 3: me next, and he goes my son, my son, And 256 00:11:54,561 --> 00:11:57,841 Speaker 3: I said what he mean, Terry. He said that he 257 00:11:57,921 --> 00:12:00,561 Speaker 3: had his daughter in the car, and he realized the 258 00:12:00,641 --> 00:12:04,641 Speaker 3: daughter was already passed away, and so he could see 259 00:12:04,681 --> 00:12:08,561 Speaker 3: her as he looked off to the side, and then 260 00:12:08,601 --> 00:12:11,041 Speaker 3: he realized his son was still alive, and he went 261 00:12:11,081 --> 00:12:12,641 Speaker 3: to go reach to his son and realized he was 262 00:12:12,681 --> 00:12:15,601 Speaker 3: pinned by the steering wheel. So as he was explaining 263 00:12:15,921 --> 00:12:18,361 Speaker 3: in his memory he was trying to rip his arms off, 264 00:12:18,561 --> 00:12:21,881 Speaker 3: he was stuck, and he was talking about the pain 265 00:12:21,961 --> 00:12:24,161 Speaker 3: that he couldn't face the pain. So then he had 266 00:12:24,161 --> 00:12:26,681 Speaker 3: to look back up into the real vision mirror with 267 00:12:26,721 --> 00:12:30,041 Speaker 3: the realization that his son was bleeding out. He had 268 00:12:30,081 --> 00:12:32,681 Speaker 3: to talk to his son before his son passed away. 269 00:12:33,201 --> 00:12:37,321 Speaker 3: For me, that explained his pain, and as we got 270 00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:39,481 Speaker 3: to know him a little bit more, he just turned 271 00:12:39,481 --> 00:12:41,401 Speaker 3: to me at that stage, got out of his memory 272 00:12:41,521 --> 00:12:44,881 Speaker 3: and basically said, I couldn't handle the pain I founded 273 00:12:44,881 --> 00:12:48,281 Speaker 3: my son, and so Terry was going to be after 274 00:12:48,281 --> 00:12:50,321 Speaker 3: the funeral, he was going to take his life. And 275 00:12:50,361 --> 00:12:56,441 Speaker 3: then he realized, you miserable failure of life. That's too easy. 276 00:12:56,841 --> 00:12:59,241 Speaker 3: You're going to do whatever you can to be hated. 277 00:12:59,721 --> 00:13:02,681 Speaker 3: And that made so he used to wear plastic bags 278 00:13:02,721 --> 00:13:04,681 Speaker 3: all up and down his arm that was filled with rubbish. 279 00:13:05,081 --> 00:13:07,721 Speaker 3: Stage it just made sense. I realized that the plastic 280 00:13:07,721 --> 00:13:09,761 Speaker 3: bags were there to hide his scars, and like his 281 00:13:09,881 --> 00:13:13,681 Speaker 3: physical scars, and that he just didn't want to look 282 00:13:13,681 --> 00:13:16,921 Speaker 3: down every morning as he woke up and said, you 283 00:13:17,001 --> 00:13:20,281 Speaker 3: know that's right, I killed my kids accidentally, So that 284 00:13:20,521 --> 00:13:22,681 Speaker 3: blew me away, right, that just blew me away, And 285 00:13:22,721 --> 00:13:25,801 Speaker 3: I thought, how many of those people, not just homeless, 286 00:13:25,801 --> 00:13:28,601 Speaker 3: any take your blinkers off? In life, you never really 287 00:13:28,681 --> 00:13:32,721 Speaker 3: understand what journey anyone's been through, and so I always 288 00:13:33,041 --> 00:13:35,401 Speaker 3: think about that in any engagement that I do. 289 00:13:35,761 --> 00:13:37,841 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the second time I heard that story, 290 00:13:37,881 --> 00:13:40,241 Speaker 2: and it's I can imagine how life changing that was 291 00:13:40,241 --> 00:13:42,041 Speaker 2: for you. You could never look at things the same way. 292 00:13:42,641 --> 00:13:44,361 Speaker 2: I remember feeling like a bit of shame when you 293 00:13:44,401 --> 00:13:47,801 Speaker 2: were telling that story. That absolutely I probably walked past 294 00:13:47,841 --> 00:13:51,121 Speaker 2: someone like Terry before and never considered and why do 295 00:13:51,201 --> 00:13:53,041 Speaker 2: we do that like we are? I think for a 296 00:13:53,041 --> 00:13:56,521 Speaker 2: lot of people, we're actually just avoiding the uncomfortableness for ourselves. 297 00:13:56,881 --> 00:14:00,201 Speaker 2: So I think this is obviously a very extreme story 298 00:14:00,321 --> 00:14:02,401 Speaker 2: versus I guess some people's day to day issues. But 299 00:14:02,521 --> 00:14:04,761 Speaker 2: I think what I'm hearing from you is having that 300 00:14:04,801 --> 00:14:06,961 Speaker 2: cure curiosity. That's a big part of it, right. 301 00:14:07,121 --> 00:14:09,121 Speaker 3: I think one of the things that if I would 302 00:14:09,121 --> 00:14:12,921 Speaker 3: ever be giving anyone a lesson in life or trying 303 00:14:12,961 --> 00:14:18,201 Speaker 3: to impart some sort of advice, is that the greatest 304 00:14:18,201 --> 00:14:20,441 Speaker 3: moments of my life have always taken place when I've 305 00:14:20,481 --> 00:14:24,801 Speaker 3: been present to somebody else where you actually genuinely listen 306 00:14:25,201 --> 00:14:27,921 Speaker 3: and take the time. There the moments of education, there 307 00:14:27,921 --> 00:14:30,881 Speaker 3: are moments of wisdom, light bulb moments, moments of fun, 308 00:14:31,001 --> 00:14:33,321 Speaker 3: went out on the drink. But you present to people 309 00:14:33,401 --> 00:14:35,081 Speaker 3: and it's the same with the ones that you think 310 00:14:35,481 --> 00:14:38,961 Speaker 3: potentially dangerous or potentially different to us. And that's happened 311 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:39,641 Speaker 3: all over the world. 312 00:14:39,641 --> 00:14:42,041 Speaker 1: For me, amazing. 313 00:14:42,441 --> 00:14:45,561 Speaker 2: How has that part of your life is connection to 314 00:14:45,641 --> 00:14:48,081 Speaker 2: people at homeless people. How's it shaped the way you 315 00:14:48,161 --> 00:14:50,681 Speaker 2: do business? Because now you're in business, right, so it's 316 00:14:50,721 --> 00:14:52,321 Speaker 2: quite different from being in school, and we'll go back 317 00:14:52,361 --> 00:14:54,161 Speaker 2: to that, But how has that shaped things for you? 318 00:14:54,441 --> 00:14:57,881 Speaker 3: Well? I think the days of transactional sort of leadership 319 00:14:57,921 --> 00:15:02,161 Speaker 3: is over. I did a leadership course a while back 320 00:15:02,441 --> 00:15:06,641 Speaker 3: at Oxford. Was it online? Was I at the university physically, 321 00:15:06,681 --> 00:15:08,801 Speaker 3: but it was a great course. Did it over a 322 00:15:08,881 --> 00:15:12,401 Speaker 3: long period of time, and I really started getting interested 323 00:15:12,441 --> 00:15:15,161 Speaker 3: in organic leadership and the type of leader that I 324 00:15:15,201 --> 00:15:18,801 Speaker 3: always wanted to be with, someone that reversed the pyramid, 325 00:15:19,521 --> 00:15:23,321 Speaker 3: that traditional leadership model of the triangle and reversing that 326 00:15:23,441 --> 00:15:25,721 Speaker 3: triangle and saying, if you're a good leader, really you 327 00:15:25,761 --> 00:15:29,361 Speaker 3: should be looking up rather than looking down and understanding 328 00:15:29,481 --> 00:15:33,641 Speaker 3: the best way of leadership is actually through relationships and presence, 329 00:15:34,081 --> 00:15:36,521 Speaker 3: surrounding yourselves by people that are better than you, smarter 330 00:15:36,601 --> 00:15:40,961 Speaker 3: than you. That whole humility is important, that sense of 331 00:15:41,001 --> 00:15:46,121 Speaker 3: authentic leadership. So those moments were Terry and others, or 332 00:15:46,161 --> 00:15:49,841 Speaker 3: being with young mums living in horrendous property in the 333 00:15:49,881 --> 00:15:54,241 Speaker 3: slums of Africa and knowing that when you're with those people, 334 00:15:54,281 --> 00:15:57,441 Speaker 3: you feel that they are better people than you. That 335 00:15:58,041 --> 00:16:01,081 Speaker 3: a title is nothing really. As the CEO of any 336 00:16:01,161 --> 00:16:04,321 Speaker 3: organization that I've been in, I've always knew that the 337 00:16:04,361 --> 00:16:06,721 Speaker 3: moments of God and my business were always going to 338 00:16:06,721 --> 00:16:09,961 Speaker 3: be when I was down at the baseline, sharing information 339 00:16:10,401 --> 00:16:13,161 Speaker 3: and being with the stuff. And it makes it so 340 00:16:13,241 --> 00:16:14,721 Speaker 3: much more enjoyable to work that way. 341 00:16:14,801 --> 00:16:17,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, see, to me, to do that takes a huge 342 00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:20,401 Speaker 2: amount of self belief and self worth. Right, You're not 343 00:16:20,441 --> 00:16:22,721 Speaker 2: trying to prove anything to anybody that I'm this big 344 00:16:22,761 --> 00:16:24,001 Speaker 2: guy and I'm in charge. 345 00:16:24,321 --> 00:16:26,481 Speaker 1: Where did that start from? You born like that? Someone 346 00:16:26,521 --> 00:16:27,241 Speaker 1: teach you that my. 347 00:16:27,241 --> 00:16:29,561 Speaker 3: Mom and dad were pretty amazing. My mom I was 348 00:16:29,601 --> 00:16:32,961 Speaker 3: an asthmatic, really bad asthmatic, often in hospitals when I 349 00:16:32,961 --> 00:16:35,921 Speaker 3: was younger, right, and my mom started up this thing 350 00:16:36,441 --> 00:16:40,241 Speaker 3: called the Samaritan Committee. And I haven't talked about this ever, 351 00:16:40,361 --> 00:16:43,161 Speaker 3: I don't think when I look back, it was quite extraordinary. 352 00:16:43,201 --> 00:16:45,681 Speaker 3: It was something that she just did around kidren asp 353 00:16:45,801 --> 00:16:48,681 Speaker 3: Lee Wave all those areas, and it was a Tuesday 354 00:16:48,721 --> 00:16:51,041 Speaker 3: on a Thursday afternoon where all of the people in 355 00:16:51,081 --> 00:16:54,121 Speaker 3: those subjays were lonely would come into this one space 356 00:16:54,241 --> 00:16:56,881 Speaker 3: and they'd be taught my crime, or they play bingo, 357 00:16:57,401 --> 00:17:01,041 Speaker 3: or they do art, et cetera. And I used to 358 00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:03,041 Speaker 3: be as an asthmatic. She'd have to take me there 359 00:17:03,081 --> 00:17:04,521 Speaker 3: and there was a little trundle bit that she put 360 00:17:04,521 --> 00:17:06,281 Speaker 3: me in. I can always remember looking out to seem 361 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,281 Speaker 3: surrounded by these people and I'm thinking, what's she doing? 362 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: But that role modeling, I think, for me, really taught 363 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:18,921 Speaker 3: me the importance of giving back and community and sharing 364 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:20,321 Speaker 3: experiences together. 365 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,201 Speaker 1: I loved it, no doubt, that's. 366 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,801 Speaker 3: Right, without a doubt that it came from my mum 367 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:26,161 Speaker 3: and dad. 368 00:17:26,281 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: Is it particular things that you do, Like if we 369 00:17:28,481 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: talked about what your leadership style is like, is there 370 00:17:30,681 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: things that you actively do to create the kind of 371 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: culture that you're after. 372 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: We're doing it right now. So I'm going back into 373 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 3: my third year, my next three year strategic plan and 374 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 3: strategy and a page we call it. So all through it, 375 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,761 Speaker 3: through that, who am I to know? Really? The business 376 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,041 Speaker 3: on my figurehead up the top, you know, sort of 377 00:17:50,681 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: sprouting out the hard work that my team is doing. 378 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,801 Speaker 3: So we're reversing it once again, and I'm saying to them, okay, 379 00:17:58,521 --> 00:18:00,801 Speaker 3: it's the old teacher me. I want you to tell 380 00:18:00,801 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: me what we should be and I'll synthesize it and 381 00:18:03,481 --> 00:18:06,281 Speaker 3: with my leadership team, so it'll be what are the 382 00:18:06,321 --> 00:18:08,921 Speaker 3: five characteristics that we want to be known as a business. 383 00:18:09,281 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: You go out and tell us, let's look at our 384 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,001 Speaker 3: elevator pitch. You tell us what our elevator pitch is, 385 00:18:14,041 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: and then every department will then come in and will 386 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,681 Speaker 3: synthesize all that. Because no matter what happens in leadership, 387 00:18:20,721 --> 00:18:23,801 Speaker 3: if it's coming from you, they won't own it, or 388 00:18:23,801 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 3: would they own it. But if it's coming from them 389 00:18:27,441 --> 00:18:30,881 Speaker 3: from the belly, and they can see their words, their thoughts, 390 00:18:31,321 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: their wisdom that's been placed into an overarching definition of 391 00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:38,721 Speaker 3: what our business should be, they feel so much more proud. 392 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,041 Speaker 3: They feel that is a true representation of the work 393 00:18:42,041 --> 00:18:45,521 Speaker 3: that they're doing, and that they feel strongly aligned to 394 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: the vision, the purpose and that elevator pitch and our 395 00:18:49,241 --> 00:18:53,961 Speaker 3: focus areas. Everything I do is always around that process. Now, 396 00:18:54,001 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 3: some people say that's weak leadership. Now, I'm not saying 397 00:18:56,681 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: there's no time when that bureaucratic or that triangle leadership 398 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:05,201 Speaker 3: isn't required. If there's a fire in our building, I'm 399 00:19:05,201 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: going to say them, yes, I'm not going to sit 400 00:19:07,441 --> 00:19:14,041 Speaker 3: back and how do we all hopefully not smoketely that 401 00:19:14,041 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: type of leadership. But the majority of the times that 402 00:19:16,281 --> 00:19:19,641 Speaker 3: I speak or act within my business will be from 403 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 3: a position of cohesion and collaboration. And I've led that 404 00:19:24,441 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: across the city right now, and I'm doing that with 405 00:19:27,201 --> 00:19:30,521 Speaker 3: the highest ends of business with the better bastane alliance, 406 00:19:30,521 --> 00:19:31,801 Speaker 3: which I can talk about later. 407 00:19:31,921 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: Thinking about I guess being a CEO and non for 408 00:19:34,201 --> 00:19:37,001 Speaker 2: profit organizations, I think it's interesting, right because obviously your 409 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: number one goal is not to make a lot of money, 410 00:19:38,801 --> 00:19:40,561 Speaker 2: right And yet and a lot of CEOs that I 411 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: work with or meet, they've put a very different in 412 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,561 Speaker 2: goal and it can sometimes overtake all the other goals. 413 00:19:45,721 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a big part of why you 414 00:19:47,241 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: lead the way you do them, and you've got your teacher. 415 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,041 Speaker 2: For starters, it's been about the students. And then you've 416 00:19:51,041 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: been CEOs of non for profits. How does that help 417 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,561 Speaker 2: you in the business world. 418 00:19:54,721 --> 00:19:58,961 Speaker 3: When I started at BEATA, I realized that there wasn't 419 00:19:58,961 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: too much difference from leading an economic development agency for 420 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:05,961 Speaker 3: basically the city and having says to all those major 421 00:20:06,001 --> 00:20:08,681 Speaker 3: events and business events that we do, all the investment 422 00:20:08,761 --> 00:20:11,481 Speaker 3: we do as a city to what we're doing is 423 00:20:11,481 --> 00:20:14,521 Speaker 3: are not for profit. The endgame was to grow the pie. 424 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: And the way I used to grow the pie at 425 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,481 Speaker 3: places like Young Care or Emmon Rice, it was all 426 00:20:19,481 --> 00:20:22,961 Speaker 3: about building relationships and collaborating and I truly believe in 427 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: collaboration and the power story. I call it the theology 428 00:20:26,721 --> 00:20:30,721 Speaker 3: of presence. And the theology of presence is when I'm 429 00:20:30,721 --> 00:20:35,481 Speaker 3: sitting down with business leaders, large fortune, five hundred individuals 430 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,961 Speaker 3: and talking with them. They love that one on one 431 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: engagement in their coffees, in their coffee and I've always thought, 432 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: you never go into those things transactionally. You always go 433 00:20:44,041 --> 00:20:46,001 Speaker 3: into it. What is it that we can learn from 434 00:20:46,041 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: each other that has changed the success for me? In 435 00:20:49,681 --> 00:20:51,801 Speaker 3: what I've been able to do the Better Brisbane Alliance. 436 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,201 Speaker 3: I've talked about that before. When I got into that role, 437 00:20:54,281 --> 00:20:56,561 Speaker 3: I can remember the second day going, you Phony, what 438 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,161 Speaker 3: the hell are you doing here? I met with one guy. 439 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: It's become a bit of a role model for me, 440 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,321 Speaker 3: a gy called Harvey Listen. He had a coffee with 441 00:21:03,321 --> 00:21:05,921 Speaker 3: me on my second day and it was from there 442 00:21:05,961 --> 00:21:08,001 Speaker 3: I realized if I was going to be successful in 443 00:21:08,041 --> 00:21:11,321 Speaker 3: anything in this new role, I had to surround myself 444 00:21:11,321 --> 00:21:14,601 Speaker 3: that were decision makers that were better than me, smarter 445 00:21:14,681 --> 00:21:16,761 Speaker 3: than me. And eventually we got about twenty two of 446 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,521 Speaker 3: us altogether called the Better Brisbane Alliance, and that is 447 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: absolutely catapult of the city. Reason behind that if you 448 00:21:22,201 --> 00:21:25,321 Speaker 3: start looking at Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane. Each capital 449 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,721 Speaker 3: city's got different personalities and Melbourne at the moment somewhat defeated. 450 00:21:28,761 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: Melbourne is they're not flourished out of favor. Sydney is carnivorous, 451 00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,401 Speaker 3: they don't trust each other, They're all clamoring over each other, 452 00:21:35,521 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 3: whereas the superpower for our city has to be collaboration. 453 00:21:39,761 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: And over the next ten years, you know, we've got 454 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 3: the Olympics, but we've got this extraordinary runway of their 455 00:21:45,441 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: brand is changing. You know, We've got Queen's Wolf opening 456 00:21:48,241 --> 00:21:51,961 Speaker 3: up in August twenty ninth. We've got these wonderful precincts 457 00:21:52,041 --> 00:21:55,481 Speaker 3: like Howard Smith, Wolf's James Street districts, all of those, 458 00:21:55,521 --> 00:21:57,961 Speaker 3: and the way that Brisbane has been viewed that can 459 00:21:58,001 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: only happen when we collaborate. I say publicly now, death 460 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: of Eager and Big on purpose, and it's worked, and 461 00:22:05,441 --> 00:22:07,921 Speaker 3: we're doing things that we've never seen. For the last 462 00:22:07,921 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 3: twelve months, Brisbane has been named in the top fifty 463 00:22:11,241 --> 00:22:14,521 Speaker 3: places in the world by New York Times Times magazine 464 00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:19,361 Speaker 3: from US, which is an internationally renowned analyzer of cities, 465 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: and the Sydneys and Malbands aren't even getting named in 466 00:22:22,001 --> 00:22:24,521 Speaker 3: that top fifty. And I think it's down to collaboration. 467 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: I like that. 468 00:22:25,281 --> 00:22:27,561 Speaker 2: And so you mentioned that they're about feeling like a 469 00:22:27,561 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 2: phony at some point, right, So I don't know whether 470 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,761 Speaker 2: that's like which I find fast. I mean, I love 471 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: your honesty with that, right, So is collaboration an antidote 472 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: to feeling like a phony? 473 00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 3: No, collaboration is a deep understanding that there are so 474 00:22:41,441 --> 00:22:43,801 Speaker 3: many more people better than what I am. I'm really 475 00:22:43,801 --> 00:22:48,481 Speaker 3: inquisitive and I love learning, and I love being surrounded 476 00:22:48,481 --> 00:22:50,521 Speaker 3: by people that I think will lift me up. 477 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: Why did you say you always feel like a phony? 478 00:22:52,201 --> 00:22:52,721 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 479 00:22:53,681 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm not sure where that comes from. It's just when 480 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,961 Speaker 3: you get thrown into leadership. I can remember at young Care, 481 00:23:00,001 --> 00:23:03,281 Speaker 3: and young Care was had that potential to change the 482 00:23:03,321 --> 00:23:06,961 Speaker 3: way the disability set would be seen. Is remember when 483 00:23:07,201 --> 00:23:08,801 Speaker 3: we were growing up, and you were a lot younger 484 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: than me, But when we were growing up, we were 485 00:23:10,761 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: told the stories that we had about the disability community 486 00:23:14,521 --> 00:23:17,681 Speaker 3: were always pulling on heartstrings. Let's feel sorry for them, 487 00:23:18,041 --> 00:23:21,041 Speaker 3: Let's look at these terrible images that are disempowering. And 488 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,561 Speaker 3: then we said, let's talk about the wonderful power that 489 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: they have, the independence, the choice of the dignity that 490 00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:30,681 Speaker 3: they deserve. And so young Care is about getting them 491 00:23:30,761 --> 00:23:34,241 Speaker 3: out of age care and nursing homes, horrendous environments where 492 00:23:34,441 --> 00:23:36,481 Speaker 3: the majority of them are looking into suicide as quickly 493 00:23:36,521 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: as they possibly could, because at eighteen years of age, 494 00:23:39,201 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: they lost all their funding as young people, and they 495 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: went in as adults and there was nowhere else to 496 00:23:43,201 --> 00:23:45,761 Speaker 3: put them but into age care and nursing homes. We 497 00:23:45,801 --> 00:23:48,041 Speaker 3: flipped it and said, no, this is about independence. They 498 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:52,481 Speaker 3: deserve choice, they deserved dignity, and those things were such 499 00:23:52,521 --> 00:23:56,721 Speaker 3: a profound learning for me at that time. And hearing 500 00:23:56,761 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: their stories once again, these incredible stories of victory that 501 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: individuals and the hardships that the families were doing just 502 00:24:05,241 --> 00:24:08,761 Speaker 3: once again changed the way I always went. But going 503 00:24:08,761 --> 00:24:12,161 Speaker 3: back to the phony thing, Yeah, here I am part 504 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: of something that I knew had this incredible ability to 505 00:24:16,281 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 3: change the way the disability sector was viewed in Australia. 506 00:24:20,481 --> 00:24:24,241 Speaker 3: I was blown away and scared by the responsibility of 507 00:24:24,241 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 3: I said, there's so many better people than me that 508 00:24:26,201 --> 00:24:27,721 Speaker 3: can do this, and there would have been, and of 509 00:24:27,761 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: course there were. But once you get in a position, 510 00:24:30,001 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 3: you step up to the plane and you do the 511 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:31,881 Speaker 3: best you can. 512 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,801 Speaker 2: I was going to say, because I mean you say that, 513 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,321 Speaker 2: I could argue you and go now, I think you're 514 00:24:35,321 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: probably the perfect man for the job. 515 00:24:36,921 --> 00:24:39,201 Speaker 1: But how do you get over that and keep going? 516 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: Like? 517 00:24:39,561 --> 00:24:40,441 Speaker 1: What do you tell yourself? 518 00:24:41,521 --> 00:24:44,321 Speaker 3: Once again, I have to get energy from the work 519 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,521 Speaker 3: that I do, so I would do on purpose, go 520 00:24:47,561 --> 00:24:49,801 Speaker 3: and meet the people that I was doing a relationship 521 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: or supporting, hearing their stories, talking to the mums, talking 522 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: to the dads, talking to those individuals themselves that just 523 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,241 Speaker 3: wanted to be have a normal life. And so there's 524 00:25:00,281 --> 00:25:03,681 Speaker 3: a young man when he first came into a young 525 00:25:03,761 --> 00:25:07,241 Speaker 3: care home, didn't think that we could look after him. 526 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,001 Speaker 3: That they thought institutionalized care was the only thing is. 527 00:25:10,001 --> 00:25:13,041 Speaker 3: That's all they know was there for their son. And 528 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,001 Speaker 3: we taught them into giving us a trial. They came 529 00:25:16,041 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 3: into the house the first time to look where he 530 00:25:17,801 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 3: was going to. It's this beautiful house on Wednesday and 531 00:25:19,921 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: will win one of the best houses in the street. 532 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 3: And they didn't believe that that was going to be 533 00:25:24,761 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: where their son was living. The care is and that 534 00:25:27,321 --> 00:25:30,681 Speaker 3: support workers are really important at that moment and saying, Okay, 535 00:25:30,721 --> 00:25:32,041 Speaker 3: we're going to take me to his room now, but 536 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,321 Speaker 3: you stay out here. He's ours now, we'll look after 537 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,921 Speaker 3: him and we'll come out and have a cup of tea. 538 00:25:35,961 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: And they say, about fifteen minutes into him being associchallengers 539 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: and they heard him screaming and they raced him. We 540 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 3: told you couldn't look after looking after he was in 541 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,961 Speaker 3: the shower and they had never heard him laugh. 542 00:25:50,521 --> 00:25:51,561 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 543 00:25:51,681 --> 00:25:54,241 Speaker 3: And he was in the shower because where he had been. 544 00:25:54,561 --> 00:25:57,561 Speaker 3: He'd been just sponged down on a trestle and that 545 00:25:57,681 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: was his first shower since his a quiet brain injury. 546 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,961 Speaker 3: I'll get emotional again. He was crying and laughing because 547 00:26:05,441 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: that simple act for shower, which we take for granted 548 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,401 Speaker 3: every day, meant so much to him, and I thought, Wow, 549 00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:16,521 Speaker 3: why do we always take those things for granted? Brother? 550 00:26:16,761 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: Looking for those beautiful moments in life that you know 551 00:26:19,721 --> 00:26:23,761 Speaker 3: that happened when I was in Africa and just seeing 552 00:26:23,761 --> 00:26:27,281 Speaker 3: the real struggles of the world's most poor. He sit 553 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:32,441 Speaker 3: back and go, you wonker, You're entitled when you complain 554 00:26:32,481 --> 00:26:34,321 Speaker 3: about something in a restauructure or whatever. 555 00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:35,521 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 556 00:26:35,921 --> 00:26:37,761 Speaker 2: You know I asked this question a lot to people, 557 00:26:37,761 --> 00:26:39,641 Speaker 2: but I'm kind of hesitating with you because I don't 558 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,881 Speaker 2: think it's remotely true. You know, we talked about ego, 559 00:26:41,961 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: being like, you've got to have some ego right to 560 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,281 Speaker 2: get you places, but you don't seem to have a 561 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 2: huge ego in that way. And I'm feeling like it's 562 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,081 Speaker 2: because of these experiences that you've had, right to my. 563 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,441 Speaker 3: Son, that's I've got a huge ego. 564 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, but you know what I mean, there's that 565 00:26:59,201 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: difference between good ego, and then there's somewhere in all 566 00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:04,361 Speaker 2: finness and the role that you play now particularly, I'm 567 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,201 Speaker 2: sure there are many peop knocking on your door, wanting 568 00:27:06,241 --> 00:27:08,401 Speaker 2: to take you out for lunch, schmoozing you. It could 569 00:27:08,441 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: all go to your head. How do you keep yourself grounded? 570 00:27:10,721 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll share with you, and I haven't shared this 571 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,521 Speaker 3: for a while. The one moment that that has ground me, 572 00:27:15,521 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 3: and it's not the terries. That was a profound one 573 00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: of the biggest learning in my life. But when I 574 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: was working in the Kabira slum. The Kabira slum's the 575 00:27:24,441 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: world's largest slum. It's just outside in Arabi, and we 576 00:27:27,801 --> 00:27:30,721 Speaker 3: set up a school there, a disability school, and it 577 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 3: was supporting it called Mary Rice. It was amazing. And 578 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,281 Speaker 3: if you are poor, you're in Cabira, you're the poorest 579 00:27:37,281 --> 00:27:39,641 Speaker 3: in the world. And if you've got a disability, you're 580 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: the poorest of the poor. Anyway, one morning we got 581 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,201 Speaker 3: a phone call that one of the fathers had thrown 582 00:27:45,241 --> 00:27:47,321 Speaker 3: one of the kids at our school in front of 583 00:27:47,321 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: a train. It was a kid that just had cerebral palsy. 584 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,521 Speaker 3: So what I understood that completely, the horror of that moment, 585 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: being thrown in front of the train. It ended up 586 00:27:56,921 --> 00:28:01,041 Speaker 3: coming down to the mummers of Kabira saving that kid's 587 00:28:01,041 --> 00:28:02,761 Speaker 3: life because she was stuck under the train and she 588 00:28:02,921 --> 00:28:06,881 Speaker 3: lost three limbs and was bleeding out, and the men 589 00:28:06,961 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: were saying, let the child die, let the child die. 590 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,801 Speaker 3: And I wasn't there. I've just been told this story. 591 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,961 Speaker 3: And I come in later and the mum has went out, 592 00:28:20,041 --> 00:28:22,401 Speaker 3: and they said, no, this child deserves to live. It's 593 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,441 Speaker 3: not ours to let her lead out. So they all 594 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: pushed against the train and lift a bit was able 595 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 3: to lift the train off to the side so that 596 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,241 Speaker 3: they could get access to the girl. And I flew 597 00:28:32,321 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: in about a month later, and we said we're going 598 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,241 Speaker 3: to look after her and pay for all her medical expenses. Anyway, 599 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,681 Speaker 3: I'm sitting there with the mum, and in these hospitals 600 00:28:40,681 --> 00:28:42,841 Speaker 3: it's like being in hell. You got to do your 601 00:28:42,841 --> 00:28:45,041 Speaker 3: own washing, you got to bring in your own food. 602 00:28:45,281 --> 00:28:47,561 Speaker 3: We're sitting there and the young girl was she was 603 00:28:47,601 --> 00:28:50,361 Speaker 3: speaking broken English and she was saying things to us. 604 00:28:50,401 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: It was with the group of us, and she was 605 00:28:52,241 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: saying things, have you seen my leg? If you can 606 00:28:54,001 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: find my leg, just bring it here. That was a 607 00:28:55,961 --> 00:28:58,441 Speaker 3: really tough thing for us to hear. Tougher for her, 608 00:28:58,521 --> 00:29:01,561 Speaker 3: of course. And years later I left that job. I 609 00:29:01,641 --> 00:29:04,281 Speaker 3: got a phone call and we were told that she 610 00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:10,361 Speaker 3: had dust the school, and that profound moment of imagine 611 00:29:10,601 --> 00:29:13,601 Speaker 3: if they let it bleed out, This kid, you know, 612 00:29:13,681 --> 00:29:17,121 Speaker 3: through that extraordinary, horrendous moment of line, has still been 613 00:29:17,121 --> 00:29:20,961 Speaker 3: able to bounce back, and through love and community, they'd 614 00:29:21,001 --> 00:29:24,361 Speaker 3: been able to go around. And she's she's had this 615 00:29:24,601 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: and I have no idea where she is now. I 616 00:29:26,281 --> 00:29:28,641 Speaker 3: just know that I was sitting in my office, I 617 00:29:28,681 --> 00:29:31,881 Speaker 3: was actually at Young Care and sitting in office and going, Wow, 618 00:29:32,081 --> 00:29:32,681 Speaker 3: that's what it's. 619 00:29:32,601 --> 00:29:34,001 Speaker 1: All about, Brave. 620 00:29:34,441 --> 00:29:36,001 Speaker 2: What I talk about a lot of enjoy the ease 621 00:29:36,081 --> 00:29:38,201 Speaker 2: for empathy and something that I don't think many people 622 00:29:38,281 --> 00:29:41,361 Speaker 2: understand particularly well sometimes when it comes to I. 623 00:29:41,361 --> 00:29:43,481 Speaker 3: Love that name. By the way, thank you, it's really 624 00:29:43,521 --> 00:29:44,161 Speaker 3: awesome to me. 625 00:29:44,201 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: That's all where we want to live and right with 626 00:29:45,521 --> 00:29:47,801 Speaker 2: people understand what it means to be bold, resilient, authentic, 627 00:29:47,881 --> 00:29:48,681 Speaker 2: vulnerable and empathetic. 628 00:29:48,761 --> 00:29:50,241 Speaker 1: That's the ultimate leader when I think. 629 00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:52,001 Speaker 2: Of it, empathy in the especially in the space that 630 00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:54,281 Speaker 2: you plan in sympathy and empathy could probably get mixed 631 00:29:54,321 --> 00:29:56,521 Speaker 2: up a bit, like, what's the difference for you with 632 00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:56,961 Speaker 2: those two? 633 00:29:57,161 --> 00:29:59,641 Speaker 3: I think sympathy is where I don't think that really 634 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 3: gives anything. Sympathy for me is I'm looking at something 635 00:30:04,081 --> 00:30:06,761 Speaker 3: and I'm feeling so worry for them. Empathy is sitting 636 00:30:06,801 --> 00:30:09,761 Speaker 3: with them, and I think that's the difference. I used 637 00:30:09,761 --> 00:30:14,721 Speaker 3: to really get annoyed with people saying I feel so 638 00:30:14,761 --> 00:30:17,121 Speaker 3: sorry for them. Say well, that's not going to do 639 00:30:17,201 --> 00:30:20,001 Speaker 3: them any good. What can you do? And that's in 640 00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:23,401 Speaker 3: anything in life. How do you actually utilize what you've 641 00:30:23,441 --> 00:30:26,841 Speaker 3: got to be able to affect change in any way? 642 00:30:26,841 --> 00:30:28,761 Speaker 3: And everyone has that ability to effect. 643 00:30:28,601 --> 00:30:30,281 Speaker 2: Change, Like I picked this up on you in Futures 644 00:30:30,281 --> 00:30:31,881 Speaker 2: I've met you as well. It's the way you speak 645 00:30:31,881 --> 00:30:33,801 Speaker 2: to people and the questions you ask them. But your 646 00:30:33,841 --> 00:30:35,841 Speaker 2: ability to hold space for people is amazing. I think 647 00:30:35,841 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: if you can hold space and be comfortable with the 648 00:30:38,441 --> 00:30:40,561 Speaker 2: fact that it could be an uncomfortable conversation, that's what 649 00:30:40,561 --> 00:30:41,961 Speaker 2: we avoid is a human race. 650 00:30:42,041 --> 00:30:44,281 Speaker 1: We don't like being uncomfortable. I just don't like it, 651 00:30:44,641 --> 00:30:45,681 Speaker 1: So humans do well. 652 00:30:45,721 --> 00:30:48,161 Speaker 3: My job is that I've got to do whatever I 653 00:30:48,201 --> 00:30:51,001 Speaker 3: can to build the brand of Brisbane and to grow 654 00:30:51,121 --> 00:30:56,281 Speaker 3: the business opportunities to attract investment, tract aviation, bid for 655 00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:58,801 Speaker 3: the city for major events like an RL Magic Round 656 00:30:59,641 --> 00:31:02,001 Speaker 3: or the British Irish Lines, and you know, those big 657 00:31:02,041 --> 00:31:05,001 Speaker 3: wins are great, absolutely fantastic in the work we're doing. 658 00:31:05,201 --> 00:31:07,161 Speaker 3: So if I'm not out there on failing in my job, 659 00:31:07,161 --> 00:31:09,641 Speaker 3: if you talk about ego, I don't think this is ego. 660 00:31:09,921 --> 00:31:14,161 Speaker 3: But I hate losing. I've never liked losing, and I 661 00:31:14,201 --> 00:31:17,161 Speaker 3: lose all the time, but it drives me. I don't 662 00:31:17,241 --> 00:31:20,001 Speaker 3: win much, but I know that when I lose, it 663 00:31:20,041 --> 00:31:21,321 Speaker 3: makes me more passionate. 664 00:31:21,481 --> 00:31:25,841 Speaker 2: That's why you're an epic fundraiser potentially. Absolutely, Let's talk 665 00:31:25,841 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: about the v then, because if you're not loving always 666 00:31:28,801 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: being on stage or speaking gigs, it's not always we 667 00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:32,841 Speaker 2: get your energy from. I mean, obviously you're good at 668 00:31:32,881 --> 00:31:34,161 Speaker 2: it and you do it for a good purpose and 669 00:31:34,201 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: a good reason. So I totally get and agree with that. 670 00:31:37,001 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: Was there a moment where you felt really vulnerable, like 671 00:31:39,361 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: really exposed, like you weren't coping. 672 00:31:41,081 --> 00:31:43,881 Speaker 3: I feel vulnerable. Now your listeners won't see this, but 673 00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:49,241 Speaker 3: I've been crying the whole time. Nice It's I didn't 674 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:51,801 Speaker 3: come here thinking I was going to be crying. I'm 675 00:31:51,841 --> 00:31:55,841 Speaker 3: sort of comfortable in being vulnerable in some of the 676 00:31:55,881 --> 00:31:59,521 Speaker 3: work that I've done. I know that sounds a bit peculiar, 677 00:32:00,281 --> 00:32:02,521 Speaker 3: but when you put yourself out there, it's not just 678 00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:06,641 Speaker 3: about you and what you learn in those moments, but 679 00:32:06,681 --> 00:32:09,401 Speaker 3: it's also I think you grow during that time. My 680 00:32:09,481 --> 00:32:12,321 Speaker 3: father always said, by the time you leave this world, 681 00:32:12,881 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: make sure you've made a difference, and I think in 682 00:32:16,481 --> 00:32:18,241 Speaker 3: those vulnerable times that's where you grow. 683 00:32:18,801 --> 00:32:21,561 Speaker 2: I could agree more, but I think that that vulnerability 684 00:32:21,601 --> 00:32:24,121 Speaker 2: for a lot of people in very senior roles is 685 00:32:24,201 --> 00:32:27,041 Speaker 2: a real tough one, right, because there's this constant fear 686 00:32:27,161 --> 00:32:29,681 Speaker 2: of being exposed or being judged. 687 00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:33,121 Speaker 1: Why do you not have that? Yeah, why what's the difference? 688 00:32:33,321 --> 00:32:36,801 Speaker 3: I'm not scared of being wrong or scared of sounding stupid, 689 00:32:37,401 --> 00:32:40,161 Speaker 3: because I get annoyed with people when they try and 690 00:32:40,161 --> 00:32:42,761 Speaker 3: pretend there's something that they're not and I feel like 691 00:32:42,921 --> 00:32:44,721 Speaker 3: just saying if you don't know, I don't know what's 692 00:32:44,721 --> 00:32:46,561 Speaker 3: wrong with that? What's wrong with saying that you don't 693 00:32:46,601 --> 00:32:48,361 Speaker 3: know something? But what I want to do is I 694 00:32:48,441 --> 00:32:49,761 Speaker 3: learn and I'll come back and I will give you 695 00:32:49,761 --> 00:32:51,881 Speaker 3: the answer. That's a better answer than trying to make 696 00:32:51,961 --> 00:32:54,801 Speaker 3: up something. Being vulnerable is saying I don't have to 697 00:32:54,841 --> 00:32:57,401 Speaker 3: be perfect, and I'm not perfect just because I've got 698 00:32:57,401 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: a CEO behind my title. In fact, that means nothing 699 00:33:01,321 --> 00:33:03,321 Speaker 3: unless I can do my job well. And one of 700 00:33:03,361 --> 00:33:05,921 Speaker 3: the most important parts of the job is acknowledging the 701 00:33:05,921 --> 00:33:08,161 Speaker 3: fact that you're never going to be right all the time. 702 00:33:08,441 --> 00:33:11,041 Speaker 2: I describe vulnerability as speaking from the messy middle, right, 703 00:33:11,041 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: because the messy middle is you don't know, you know, 704 00:33:13,001 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: you don't know something you haven't sold. You're speaking from 705 00:33:15,441 --> 00:33:17,161 Speaker 2: a space where you haven't figured it all out. 706 00:33:17,321 --> 00:33:19,201 Speaker 1: This is why I do this podcast, though, right because. 707 00:33:18,961 --> 00:33:21,201 Speaker 2: I need people like you on here saying this because 708 00:33:21,241 --> 00:33:23,641 Speaker 2: there are too many people in quite powerful positions and 709 00:33:23,881 --> 00:33:26,241 Speaker 2: affecting the lives and happiness of other people who walk 710 00:33:26,281 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: around Unfortunately. You say, I don't know why they do it, 711 00:33:28,481 --> 00:33:30,161 Speaker 2: because that's the world that we live, and it creates 712 00:33:30,161 --> 00:33:32,681 Speaker 2: a space that the smartest and you have all the answers, 713 00:33:32,721 --> 00:33:35,281 Speaker 2: and you're the most beautiful, and all these things stops 714 00:33:35,361 --> 00:33:36,881 Speaker 2: us from speaking from the messy middle. 715 00:33:37,121 --> 00:33:38,601 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so to hear. 716 00:33:38,601 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: That other successful people who are doing good in the 717 00:33:41,001 --> 00:33:43,841 Speaker 2: world are okay with that gives people permission, but not 718 00:33:43,921 --> 00:33:46,001 Speaker 2: enough people have given permission to be vulnerable at the top. 719 00:33:46,081 --> 00:33:48,561 Speaker 2: I agree, what's something you're aware of about yourself now 720 00:33:48,601 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: that you just weren't at the beginning of your career? Like, 721 00:33:50,441 --> 00:33:52,041 Speaker 2: what do you know now that you're like damn? Like, 722 00:33:52,081 --> 00:33:55,561 Speaker 2: if I could go back and tell young Anthony, hey, 723 00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:57,241 Speaker 2: I feel. 724 00:33:57,041 --> 00:34:00,601 Speaker 3: As if I am a very good storyteller. You are, 725 00:34:00,961 --> 00:34:04,521 Speaker 3: And I think the power of story is not talked 726 00:34:04,521 --> 00:34:08,601 Speaker 3: about enough. I challenge you every time you've gone to 727 00:34:08,641 --> 00:34:14,201 Speaker 3: a lunch where they're talking, when anyone goes from talking 728 00:34:14,201 --> 00:34:18,401 Speaker 3: about something quantitatively or just about a subject and then 729 00:34:18,441 --> 00:34:21,721 Speaker 3: they bring a story into it. Hollywood calls it the 730 00:34:21,801 --> 00:34:24,201 Speaker 3: lean forward moment. I've got a great mane of mine 731 00:34:24,241 --> 00:34:26,241 Speaker 3: who just lives around the corner from or works around 732 00:34:26,241 --> 00:34:29,401 Speaker 3: the corner from here, Aaron Michael. He's actually Margot Robbie's 733 00:34:29,441 --> 00:34:33,361 Speaker 3: manager and another story, Margo was our ambassador. 734 00:34:32,921 --> 00:34:34,841 Speaker 1: At young here and oh wow. 735 00:34:35,321 --> 00:34:40,641 Speaker 3: Anyway, so Aaron talks that those people that are amazing 736 00:34:40,921 --> 00:34:44,401 Speaker 3: in the world globally are those that they create those 737 00:34:44,481 --> 00:34:47,801 Speaker 3: lean forward moments, and you watch it. Next time you'll 738 00:34:47,841 --> 00:34:51,881 Speaker 3: see people at a lunch a good storyteller. They lean 739 00:34:51,961 --> 00:34:55,721 Speaker 3: Ford it's a physical responsible you want to dive into it, 740 00:34:56,241 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: and I think I'm pretty good at that. I'm bad 741 00:34:59,481 --> 00:35:02,321 Speaker 3: at a lot of things, but I think once you 742 00:35:02,441 --> 00:35:05,801 Speaker 3: tell story and then bring it back to the yes, 743 00:35:06,161 --> 00:35:06,881 Speaker 3: people will then. 744 00:35:06,881 --> 00:35:10,201 Speaker 2: Listen exactly right, because it's the real life experience. Then 745 00:35:10,281 --> 00:35:11,961 Speaker 2: you attach the thing you try and teach people to, 746 00:35:12,001 --> 00:35:13,561 Speaker 2: which is pretty much what I love. If I was 747 00:35:13,601 --> 00:35:15,001 Speaker 2: doing what I love to do, we'd be talking for 748 00:35:15,001 --> 00:35:16,721 Speaker 2: three and a half hours because I'll be telling you stories, 749 00:35:16,761 --> 00:35:19,521 Speaker 2: You're telling me stories. We're going round be amazing wine. 750 00:35:19,681 --> 00:35:20,521 Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. 751 00:35:20,761 --> 00:35:23,401 Speaker 2: I honestly could talk to you for a really long time. 752 00:35:23,641 --> 00:35:26,001 Speaker 2: I want to bottle what you are in lots of 753 00:35:26,001 --> 00:35:28,281 Speaker 2: ways and give it out to some of these leaders 754 00:35:28,281 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: that I meet. So I've got to wrap it up, though, 755 00:35:30,441 --> 00:35:33,081 Speaker 2: So I'll finish on one question. What's an opportunity you 756 00:35:33,161 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: said no two in the past that you say yes 757 00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:35,521 Speaker 2: to today. 758 00:35:36,361 --> 00:35:38,761 Speaker 3: I haven't said no to too many things. In fact, i'd 759 00:35:38,801 --> 00:35:41,841 Speaker 3: find it hard if I look at from a sort 760 00:35:41,841 --> 00:35:47,161 Speaker 3: of surface level. I was offered a scholarship to the 761 00:35:47,201 --> 00:35:50,241 Speaker 3: American Universities after the world jenis getting that silver metal 762 00:35:50,441 --> 00:35:52,681 Speaker 3: you get back from those and all the talent scouts 763 00:35:52,681 --> 00:35:54,361 Speaker 3: are there, and I had an offer to go to Harvard, 764 00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:59,761 Speaker 3: Ohio State, Kentucky and Notre Dame, and I probably should 765 00:35:59,801 --> 00:36:01,361 Speaker 3: have taken up one of those because I think it 766 00:36:01,401 --> 00:36:04,681 Speaker 3: would have opened up a different world from me. But 767 00:36:04,721 --> 00:36:06,801 Speaker 3: I don't regret it because then it opened up another 768 00:36:07,001 --> 00:36:10,521 Speaker 3: different world. What I regret is spending more time with 769 00:36:10,561 --> 00:36:13,321 Speaker 3: my mom and dad towards the end parts of their life. 770 00:36:13,361 --> 00:36:15,681 Speaker 3: Like I did as much as I possibly could, But 771 00:36:16,161 --> 00:36:19,001 Speaker 3: when you start seeing them fail and you know that 772 00:36:19,041 --> 00:36:21,921 Speaker 3: they're in their last couple of days, you're always full 773 00:36:21,921 --> 00:36:23,761 Speaker 3: of regrets. Then why don't I walk on the beach 774 00:36:23,801 --> 00:36:25,601 Speaker 3: with them one more time? Or why don't know if 775 00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:27,801 Speaker 3: they're fishing a dad? Or why do I sit down 776 00:36:27,841 --> 00:36:29,641 Speaker 3: with mum and hold a hand and one more time? 777 00:36:29,841 --> 00:36:32,201 Speaker 1: They're the things that truly a thank Charnithan. This has 778 00:36:32,201 --> 00:36:33,561 Speaker 1: been beautiful. Thanks for coming on